Talk:Amanda Lear

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Ethnic origin and transsexual rumour
I reverted this in-article comment and edits conforming to it:
 * The mother of Amanda Lear was not Chinese actually. She was of Russian origin and her Father was Half French, half English.

The article is largely unsourced anyway, but especially given someone with invented personal history, we should make sure of this and cite if possible. For now I've left it French father, Chinese mother. --Dhartung | Talk 08:35, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

This article does not say that Amanda Lear was born a male, named Alain Tapp, that she is a transexual who underwent sexual reasignment surgery in the early 70s. Before that, she used the stage name of Peki D'Oslo and worked for the famous parisian transvestite showclub "Le Carrousel". Amanda often denies her transexuality (although there are many pictures of he/her before the begining of ther feminization process available at the internet) but it is an open secret among the transgered comunity worldwide and such denials just help to add to her mistique. I think that the fact that she is a transexual woman only makes her personal story more amazing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.185.248.147 (talk) 04:12, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

NOTE: These reports about transsexuality are around since long and there is actually no proof to my knowledge. Rather than trusting reports on provate web sites that claim that Amanda Lear is a transsexual, we should rather leave this detail to the domain of rumours. The samme holds for the birthdate. To claim that 18 Nov 1946 is not her birthday is without basis. The date 18 Nov 1946 is the one that Amanda Lear officially claims as her birthday. While that may be wrong, who else can we trust??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.171.173.85 (talk) 07:45, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * There is a video on YouTube with a series of stills of transsexuals and one of them is captioned "Amanda Lear". There is a picture of a man's face inset in the corner who certainly looks like the same person as the woman in the photo. HOWEVER, that woman doesn't look like Amanda Lear to me but what do I know. The website music story says (in French) that the rumour was invented by Salvador Dali but they don't say where they got that information from. They also say that Amanda Lear has never denied the story because she thinks it adds to her mystique. So did she deny it or not? There seems to be disagreement about that point. Anyway, considering how widespread the rumour seems to be, that is reason enough, it seems to me, to mention it in the article so that people who become confused by it (such as myself) can read in the article that it is just that – AN UNCONFIRMED RUMOUR. Simply refusing to mention it at all is flagrant censorship, in my opinion. You have not denied that the rumour exists, after all. It might certainly be construed as distasteful if it isn't true, and a Ugandan female politician won a lawsuit against a number of British newspapers who reported that Idi Amin had accused her of having sex in an airport toilet, even though the papers didn't say it was true. But Wikipedia's servers are located in the United States where you can certainly say that something is a rumour even if it might be distasteful to some. Mike Hayes (talk) 10:37, 1 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Angela Bowie states in "Backstage Passes" that Amanda was born in Vietnam and was part French.jeanne (talk) 08:05, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry? no proofes? Thats wrong! The people who once worked with her (in the 60s) are proofes! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.219.219.71 (talk) 15:17, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Father was an ethnic Brit gun for hire in the French foreign legion, mother was a local ethnic mixture. Her ethnicity is not too far away from the one of Charles Sobhraj. The proofes are poofteres. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:46:1a0b:1b75:2004:5c52:66c7:e94a (talk) 23:56, 2 December 2016 (UTC)


 * You still need some way to verify it. Wikipedia can not act on rumours or hearsay; it would lower the quality of articles. 2A02:8388:1641:8380:D082:7ABF:425B:9F04 (talk) 16:38, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Question Marks?
What is with all the question marks with various bits of information in the article? Remove that ASAP. SchmuckyTheCat 19:15, 7 June 2007

WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 02:13, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Why the Birth name is "Alain Tapp (?)" ?
The differents french government website clearly stated that Amanda Lear was born Amanda Trapp. [] And why this article is listed in transexual categories ? There is no proof, wikipedia should stay factual, on verified basis. There is already things about transsexuals rumors in the article.

Can you please make the effort to write an explanation, thanks. Anonymous. In europe when an transsexual person had its operation, all the goverments changes that in their birth register. therefore they will (must) always say e.g. amnda was born as a female even if it is not the truth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.219.219.71 (talk) 15:15, 23 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I know that many transsexual people in the United States have their old records of life in the wrong body permanently sealed to prevent access to the records. I would suppose that the same is often done in Europe as well.  Andrea Parton (talk) 21:28, 28 June 2010 (UTC)


 * No, there is no such thing in Europe. By the way, each country in Europe has their own laws as they are independent countries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.157.59.159 (talk) 12:36, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

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"When she still was a boy"
Ian Gibson and Romy Haag knew her when she still was a boy. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanda_Lear#Ger.C3.BCcht_um_Transsexualit.C3.A4t —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.188.67.150 (talk) 15:29, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

I found a lot of Informations about her in books and Internet and these seem logic. Starting that she was born as male and had her sex change in the 60s in casablanca at Dr. Bourou s clinic, up to her very early showname In that time - Peki D'Oslo -. I've found that link: http://www.dianeetlesexedesanges.ch/3colset008/_page-peki-d-oslo.htm There a so many whitnesses from that time when Lear still was a boy. Many writers, Ian Gibson, Romy Haag, April Ashley... aso, aso, published so many facts and photos of Amanda and her past. April Ashley wrote in her book how and when she met Amanda. Ian Gibson wrote in hier book about Dali "The Shameful Life of Salvador Dali" that Amanda was a boy. He published pictures and wrote many details about her in that time. Very interessting is the book of April Ashley, in her book (April Ashley's Odyssey) she wrote many details about her too. Some are really astounding!! But makes sence. You can read it here: http://www.antijen.org/Aprilv1/ (scroll down a little bit to read about Amanda). Nevertheless, i like Amandas voice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.219.238.162 (talk) 13:58, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Gossip columnist?
An Amanda Lear is referred to in Ritz Newspaper as a gossip columniost. is the the same person? Fiddle Faddle (talk) 13:54, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Birthdate on IMDB
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0495166/bio

Her birthdate is listed as June 18th, 1939

Plastic surgery or no plastic surgery, she does not look that old and I don't believe she is that old either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dexshurun (talk • contribs) 01:10, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I shouldn't really waste my time with this, but if you think she's doesn't look that old, have a look at Joan Rivers, 5 years her senior. She also doesn't look 76. And if Amanda Lear was Dali's lover in the 60s, her age makes totally sense, unless you want her to have been his lover while she was 5 years old? Dollvalley (talk) 21:24, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

In Germany, when Amanda Lear became the Disco-Queen, she was a member of the GEMA. GEMA is the legally authorized society. Amanda Lear was a member of this society and as an author of many of the lyrics of her songs she probably still is member and receives each year as music author her checks. In the year-books of the society in 1999 and 2004 they congratulate their members, who became 60 years respectively 65 years old. Her date of birth is mentioned as November 18th 1939. This year-books are to find in each public library. So, with the new found certificate of birth, which says June 18th, 1939, Amanda Lear probably only switched the months from June to November in the seventies. Later on she started to become younger: 1942, 1946 and nowadays 1950. It is a bit absurd, but many Show-Stars do.--RozTaylor (talk) 11:39, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
 * GEMA can not be used as a reliable source either because how would they verify the claim of the age being incorrect? 2A02:8388:1641:8380:D082:7ABF:425B:9F04 (talk) 16:40, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you could help readers less familiar with Germany by explaining what GEMA means, and its relevance and utility to discussion of Lear. Spideog (talk) 21:18, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You realise, I hope, that you are asking somebody who last edited more than ten years ago about something that they posted more than eleven years ago. Anyway, see GEMA (German organization). -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 22:58, 9 November 2023 (UTC)


 * How inconsiderate to abandon one's editing responsibilities for an entire decade, leaving sincere people with questions like me hanging in painful suspense. There ought to be a law. But seriously, thank you for the revealing link. Spideog (talk) 10:04, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Citations needed
I have removed from the Early career (1965–1974) section the following sentence uncited and unattributed since October 2007 - please reinsert with a cite to a reliable source:


 * The name Amanda Lear is also generally believed to be an alias, a drag queen name and a conjunction of the English words 'A man' and the last name of her mentor and father figure Salvador 'Dalì', while others believe it to be the French 'L'amant Dalì', the lover of Dalì.

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POV and not encyclopedical prose
I've just revised a bit the article, removing some unsourced POV where I found it, and also formatted some prose which was ugly or not properly written (quotes as ''"- ....; it seems the previous editor feared any typographical sign could be offended if he omitted it!!). Ciao e buon lavoro. --&#39;&#39;&#39;Attilios&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk) 18:17, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm surprised to find such a long article, but it is filled with boasted record sales and audience and ratings and anything else. It all reads like a fan site. Dollvalley (talk) 21:06, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Age
Strangely we currently seem to have her age at 2009. I'm guessing that's because we have two years in the infobox. What is the usual rule with an infobox when there are two possible years of birth? TheRetroGuy (talk) 22:28, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

This article in French currently has her birthyear at 1950. Can we add that to the list too? lol 78.231.136.192 (talk) 22:42, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

True birth date was discovered!
At last we have his Birth Certificate: http://www.armonics2zero.it/index.php/gossip/essere-o-non-essere/

He was born male on 18 June 1939 in Saigon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.139.36.52 (talk) 08:09, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the word "gossip" in the URL is a hint? --Muhandes (talk) 15:47, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

@Muhandes: perhaps you cant believe ? :-) sorry, too many people worked with her that time, romy haag, april ashley aso aso... they know what they say, amanda was born male. and, by the way, the word -gossip- does not imply -not true- or so. think it over. your a smart :-)

It is totally absurd to announce here, that AL was born 1950. There are much pictures of her as Peki d'Oslo at the beginning of the sixties and at that time she was NOT 11 years old! In the early sixties she also worked in Berlin in the Cabaret "Chez Nous". At that time the Berlin fotographer Herbert Tobias did pictures of her. That pictures are in a catalougue of an exhibition about his work, which was held in Berlin and is published in Germany. He mentioned also about Amanda Lear, at that time her body changed much because of the female hormons he/she took. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RozTaylor (talk • contribs) 10:55, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

WP:Notable
AL is an ageing model and minor Eurodisco star. Her main claim to fame in the English speaking world is having featured on an iconic Roxy Music album cover, and having had relationships with lots of British early 70s rock musicians. While it's reasonable that she should have an article, the current text seems excessively detailed given her notability, despite being well written and referenced. It has too much of the fan page about it. --Ef80 (talk) 20:59, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Whatever the ambiguities of Lear's story may be, assessing her biography solely through the lens of the "English speaking world" is just blinkered chauvinism. Most of her career has been mediated through the French and Italian languages. Dismissing her scornfully as an "ageing model" reveals a lot more about you than about her. Spideog (talk) 21:14, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You don't appear to understand WP:NPA. Ef80 (talk) 18:47, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

As I understand it, she is by far one of the biggest and most influential acts in the Eurodisco genre, rather than a minor one. Though it is true the Eurodisco genre itself, is not very popular in predominantly English speaking countries, does relative unpopularity necessarily equate to not being notable? Certainly Eurodisco does influence artists of other, more popular genres. --90.206.136.196 (talk) 14:17, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

She's a household name in France, Italy, Germany and other countries. A Rolling Stones song was written about her ('Miss Amanda Jones'), she's been awarded the Order of France for services to French culture... enough to warrant the article as it stands. The English language wikipedia isn't meant to just focus on what is well-known in the English speaking world. Vauxhall1964 (talk) 23:55, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Alain Tap
"Alain Tap, né en 1939 à Saïgon en Cochinchine (Indochine]. Fils d'André Tap, capitaine de l'armée française et d'une mère vietnamienne. Après avoir vécu à Saïgon, les parents du petit Alain vivent en Europe durant la Seconde Guerre mondiale puis s'installent en Suisse. Ils divorcent lorsqu'Alain à 5 ans. La mère part s'installer à Carcassonne avec son fils, le père lui reste à Paris. Le père décède en 1965." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.242.201.57 (talk) 13:15, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Alain Tapp
Amanda Lear, née Alain Tapp, le 18 novembre 1939, est une chanteuse transsexuelle française et eurasienne. Fils d'André Tapp, capitaine de l'armée française et d'une mère indochinoise. Après avoir vécu à Saïgon, les parents du petit Alain vivent en Europe durant la Seconde Guerre mondiale puis s'installent en Suisse. Ils divorcent lorsqu'Alain à 5 ans. La mère part s'installer à Carcassonne avec son fils, le père lui reste à Paris. Le père décède en 1965. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.172.74.37 (talk) 14:50, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Alain Tap
Amanda Lear, née Alain Tap, le 18 juin 1939 à l'hôpital militaire Grall, 14 rue La Grandière, Saîgon, est une chanteuse transsexuelle française. Fils d'André Tap, militaire français, sergent d'Infanterie coloniale à l'époque, et d'un mère française, Valentine Rivera. Ils habitaient 12 rue du Mékong à Saïgon. Après avoir vécu dans cette ville, les parents du petit Alain vivent en Europe durant la Seconde Guerre mondiale puis s'installent en Suisse. Ils divorcent lorsqu'Alain à 5 ans. La mère part s'installer à Carcassonne avec son fils, le père lui reste à Paris. Le père décède en 1965.

La déclaration faite à la GEMA (18 novembre 1939) est déjà une fausse déclaration pour brouiller les pistes en cas d'enquête. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.46.212.64 (talk) 16:36, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

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Marriage Amanda Tap & Morgan P. Lear
Hello, when I write Amanda Tap on FamilySearch only one answer appears here, a marriage registration index from London in England for Oct/Nov/Dec 1965 with a certain Morgan P. Lear... --Danielvis08 (talk) 19:19, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Alain TAP
1) Le grand-père paternel d'Amanda Lear est Monsieur Louis-François TAP né à Castelnaudary (FRANCE) le 17 décembre 1874 et décédé le 16 janvier 1914, à seulement 39 ans, en raison d'une maladie contractée en raison de son dévouement auprès de soldats malades. Il a laissé :
 * son épouse Madame Rose Jeanne Baptistine PRADAL,
 * son premier fils, Monsieur André Louis Constant TAP né à Haiphong (VIETNAM) le 25 mars 1910,
 * son second fils, René Pierre Eugène Joseph TAP né à Castelnaudray (FRANCE) le 24 octobre 1913,

2) La grand-mère maternelle Ernestine Dufresne, mère de Valentine, avait une mère indochinoise bà Trinh Thi Thi et son père était Charles Dufresne dit Furcy.

3) Le père d'Amanda LEAR, Monsieur André Louis Constant TAP, s'est marié à Saïgon (VIETNAM) le 9 octobre 1937 avec Madame Valentine Marie Georgette RIVÉRA née à Saïgon (VIETNAM) le 4 mai 1919. Il a ensuite été emprisonné durant la Seconde Guerre mondiale par les Allemands et nommé chevalier de la Légion d'honneur par décret du 26 décembre 1961, publié au Journal Officiel du 29 décembre 1961, pris sur le rapport du ministre de la défense, en qualité de lieutenant du cadre spécial au service des matériels et bâtiments des troupes de marine. Domiciliés rue de l'Arcade à Castelnaudary (FRANCE), les époux TAP-RIVÉRA ont déménagé à Los Masos (FRANCE) en février 1964. Monsieur André TAP est décédé à Prades (FRANCE) en mars 2001 et Madame Valentine TAP est décédée à Saint-Étienne-du-Grès le 12 octobre 2014.

4) Amanda LEAR, née Alain TAP à Saïgon (VIETNAM) le 18 juin 1939, est bien issue de Monsieur André TAP et de Madame Valentine RIVÉRA, conformément à son acte de naissance avec filiation. L'acte de mariage d'Amanda Lear avec Monsieur Paul Morgan LEAR à Chelsea (GRANDE-BRETAGNE) en date du 11 décembre 1965, indique bien qu'elle est née « TAP » et non « TAPP » comme pouvait laisser croire sa promotion en tant que Chevalier des Arts et des Lettres.

5) Amanda LEAR (Alain TAP) a un frère, Vincent TAP né en 1956.

Why would Amanda Lear's name be after a researcher?
Why would someone name themselves after a research, Alain Tapp. Someone needs to change this. I don't understand why that Amanda's name be that name? Like what? 2601:CA:4000:44A0:19B3:D28:3EC5:9068 (talk) 03:10, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Gossip
Everything about how details of her personal life are unclear should be excised per WP:NOTGOSSIP 92.21.223.3 (talk) 01:02, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Do you have specific examples to consider? Keep in mind that sometimes things are uncertain because of conflicting sources (we have articles where birth years are in doubt for that reason), and that doesn't necessarily make it idle gossip. -- Zim Zala Bim talk 01:28, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Section "Gender Identity" should be deleted
Hello, this article is about a notable female singer. She became famous in the 1960s. If there has been a gender transition in her life (just assumed here for the sake of conversation), then that must have happened before she became notable. Following the rules, rumours about a gender transition, a previous male identity, male name etc. should be deleted from the article. This concerns mostly, but not only, the section "Gender identity". Ziko (talk) 18:05, 16 May 2024 (UTC)