Talk:Deathcore

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Add more info with reliable sources all over places. I needed to add the pioneers of deathcore, the popularity, the criticism and vocal techniques and stuff. Added more. The article lacked information before the edit. If you find unreliable sources although the sources are reliable, just remove them or the content unless it has a source for it that IS reliable. Do NOT revert it. Unless it's completely poorly sourced or whatever. We also HAD to put how the vocals can be called "pig squeals". And we needed a criticism section talking about how it got a MAJOR controversy as 'not real death metal''

Ihy34 (talk) 03:35, 6 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Its actually a good starting point to help develop the article. I think it's impossible to neglect the use of pig squeals in the music. If anything it needs to be elaborated on to describe what it sounds like. The only change to the history section is that isn't Job for a Cowboy seen as the pioneers alongside BMTH and SS? The criticism section isn't too bad, it's well sourced and approaches it objectively, hopefully it can be developed to be more unbias. But it's important to remember we are here to write about the genres history and document journalised fact rather than prove it's not 'real' death metal. Overall good work! Jonjonjohny (talk) 11:20, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 15 February 2013
With Blood come cleansing 14:27, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

98.192.20.123 (talk) 05:23, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Done-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs

Unreliable Sources
I added the unreliable sources tag since someone has been adding a bunch of metalzine/blog sources like metalsucks, and others.

Skinless isn't deathcore — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.229.166.204 (talk) 18:09, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Your point being? I call the big one bitey 07:28, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 23 June 2013
There are some bands you got wrong in the list such as The Black Dahlia Murder

98.148.155.114 (talk) 11:42, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please make your request in a "change X to Y" format.
 * Please give exact details of your proposed change(s), and reliable source(s) to support the change(s). Thank you. Begoon &thinsp; talk  12:33, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 23 June 2013
Remove My Bitter End from the list and link too Belay My Last and We Are the End (are on the list but only as text, not as link to a wikiarticle. --80.161.143.239 (talk) 06:51, 11 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Belay My Last and We Are the End aren't linked because there are no such articles on Wikipedia to link to. Of course, you're more than welcome to look into starting articles on them! As for My Bitter End, I've de-wikified it and fixed the citation, but I don't think there's any real need to remove it. Feel free to reopen the edit request if you have a reason why. 786b6364 (talk) 17:13, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
 * If you click on the links can you see the articles got deleted because of no notability. If the band are deleted because of notability why so put it on the list? --80.161.143.239 (talk) 21:27, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: If the bands are not notable, there is no point adding them to the list. Feel free to re-open the request or contact me on my Talk page. Cheers! -- TOW  07:29, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on November 19 2013
Add Reflections and The Browning to the list and remove The Black Dahlia Murder and Motionless in White. The Black Dahlia Murder is NOT deathcore, they're melodic death metal. Motionless in White are metalcore, putting Motionless in White in a deathcore category is like calling August Burns Red deathcore. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SeaOfSmiles (talk • contribs) 05:07, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 March 2014
Of mice and men is not on the death core. list please fix now

2600:1010:B12C:9215:3CFF:5688:1C71:A332 (talk) 23:57, 11 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Kap 7 (talk) 02:48, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 June 2014
Attila (deathcore band) added to deathcore list

The metal mounger (talk) 00:23, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Done.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 01:28, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

I Declare War
Someone add I Declare War. Thanks

ArcangelLaMarivilla (talk) 01:14, 15 August 2014 (UTC)ArcangelLaMarivilla

Mention more about the genre's development as of late
More examples are required. For example, there has recently been a big trend of bands combining deathcore and symphony, such as Assemble the Chariots, Make Them Suffer and Lorelei. There are also bands who combine deathcore with many genres at once, such as djent, classical music and progressive metal, such as Slice the Cake or Ovid's Withering. You can add those examples and provide some reference to some Sputnik review or something to back it up. Xfing (talk) 20:26, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 August 2014
An Australian Band called Thy Art Is Murder are considered deathcore and isn't featured in this list.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thy_Art_Is_Murder

Beansyy (talk) 04:54, 19 August 2014 (UTC)


 * TAIM isn't on here? Hold on, I'm adding them. I thought they were on here, that's strange. Second Skin (talk) 13:18, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Academic article on Deathcore
This article appeared on the internet very recently and is a academic one (Titled: ‘MySpace bands’ and ‘tagging wars’ Conflicts of genre, work ethic and media platforms in an extreme music scene) and was written by "Tamás Tófalvy, Ph.D., an assistant professor at Budapest University of Technology and Economics" and was published on First Monday. I think the question is (before I've read it) does it have a place on wikipedia and would it be useful? Jonjonjohny (talk) 18:25, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * It's published through a peer-reviewed journal, so that alone is enough for it to be used as a reliable source. The author is also vice-chair of the Hungarian International Association for the Study of Popular Music, so that shores up things even further. Go ahead and use this, it's a fantastic find.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 18:58, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Hardcore?
You could argue that it's already noted with the "Metalcore" in stylistic origins, but I feel deathcore (especially in the early 00's) was substantially hardcore-influenced to perhaps have it there. Although one could argue it's already sorta there because metalcore itself takes influences from hardcore. So it's more of an option. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.80.1.126 (talk) 13:10, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree with you, and there was a previous version, supported by myself, that mentioned hardcore as well as metalcore.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 15:06, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 * If there are sources in the text that support this then it should be restored.-- MA SHAUN IX 00:32, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Can't really agree with this; the most professional sources such as Revolver on their Dawn of Deathcore article specify metalcore with the breakdowns in deathcore only being an element of the hardcore element to metalcore. Also I hate to use original research, but if you listen to deathcore it doesn't at all sound like it has anything that remotely sounds similar to Trapped Under Ice, Backtrack, Madball or Sheer Terror as a part of the sound. Just saying... Second Skin (talk) 05:10, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
 * All that doesn't automatically discount what is written in reliable sources. And AllMusic is about as professional as you can get.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 01:47, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, if you prefer Revolver as a sources, you have this article that states that "deathcore is, by its simplest definition, the fusing of death metal and hardcore influences."

Image change suggestion
Someone changed the image of Guy to the Red Chord to this one of Suicide Silence. I'm kind of in favor of the Suicide Silence once versus the TRC one, anyone else agree?



Not only is it more horizontal (takes up less downspace on the page) but SS did a lot more for deathcore than TRC did. Second Skin (talk) 06:14, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

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subgenres
There are several underground movements in deathcore that I think deserve to be recognized on the page. Doomcore is the fusion of doom metal and sludge metal with deathcore, and bands use slowed tempos, downtuning, and lower growls to achieve a really heavy sound. Bands include Black Tongue, Immoralist, and Graves. Aliencore is the fusion of deathcore and tech-death, using a lot of technicality, themes of aliens, and sometimes atmospheres. Bands include Rings of Saturn, Aversions Crown, The Zenith Passageway, and Enterprise Earth. Basically Deathcore that has been Downtuned, with slower tempos, that isn't influenced by doom and sludge metal. Bands include Drown in Sulphur, Traitors, and The Last Ten Seconds of Life Deathcore that has incorporated black metal elements, like atmosphere, lyrical content, and vocals. Bands include Carnifex, Lorna Shore, and She Must Burn. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.167.232.114 (talk) 17:22, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Doomcore
 * Aliencore
 * Downtempo Deathcore
 * Blackened Deathcore

Criticism Section
I don't understand why this article is allowed to have an entire subsection entitled "Criticism". I tried to make a similar edit to a different page and it was said that such a section violates the neutrality policy. So, it should have to be one or the other. It can't be that some articles are allowed to have such a section and others aren't. Who gets to determine that? Don't get me wrong I am no fan of deathcore and I think it SHOULD be criticized, but if you allow such content you open the door to allow it done on other pages. If it can be done here, I don't see why I can't do it on a different page, so long as I use reputable sources and my information is fully truthful and accurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KevinGrem (talk • contribs) 12:09, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

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Locations
The opening paragraph states that deathcore originated in Arizona and Southern California's Inland Empire (especially Coachella Valley) and it's with the last part I take exception. There are no citations. I can cite myself to refute that though as I was booking the vast majority of metalcore shows in the Coachella Valley from 2002-2008 and while deathcore did become popular here, there are zero notable deathcore bands, labels or festivals in the Coachella Valley. Darkness Awaits and It Involves Murder were the two biggest bands in the CV. Suicide Silence and Job for a Cowboy did play here, but not often. The CV is a region that is between Phoenix, AZ and the Inland Empire (mostly Corona where the Showcase Theater was located) where most bands did originate. If we are going to leave the CV part in there, there should be more than one notable band mentioned the article and at this point there are zero. I'm removing that only because there are no citations. AndrewK760 (talk) 15:51, 9 January 2023 (UTC)