Talk:Elite Beat Agents

Allusions to EBA
Should a section be added for references made to the Agents in pop culture? Webcomics, et al.? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 911reporter (talk • contribs) 18:23, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Webcomics aren't exactly notable141.157.120.198 (talk) 02:07, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The WP:VG/POP page has the notability requirements of pop culture citations. Basically, the item in question has to be intrinsically related to the character or game. A webcomic strip with the EBA in it isn't notable enough to include.--ZXCVBNM (TALK) 20:34, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

ESRB Rating
The game is rated E10+ for Cartoon Violence, Crude Humor, Lyrics and Suggestive Themes

Outdated entries
This disscusion is full of outdates entries. Should we delete them? General Norris 12:29, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Track listing
Is a hoax, The only 2 confirmed songs are Highway Star and Walky Talky Man

Ok, Livin' La Vida Loca is also confirmed. Viewer 00:03, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

...and according to [this thing here], YMCA and Sk8tr Boy are included. Can we confirm?

Unless Nintendo/iNiS announce it, or the track is shown in action, it is conjecture and thus not suitable for posting as fact. If you're going to post a track, cite a source. Saying "a source privy to this information has confirmed it" is not viable. Also, someone beat me to the punch on editing LDVL back out :) - Leovinus
 * Livin' La Vida Loca is listed in the 1up exclusive Cheer Squad: Why iNiS Wants to Make You Happier linked to in the article, near the bottom of page 5 I believe. The article in question is dealing mainly with interviews with iNiS so it's likely the news came from them, unless someone would like to ask 1up whether they were just guessing. I hope 1up is a notable enough a source, as far as I know it's a big/popular gaming website owned and operated by the same group who owns OPM and EGM HeartofGold  (Searching) 20:07, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Sk8ter Boi and YMCA will indeed be in EBA, this hands-on report confirms it http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/10/05/003242.php

...and Wired.com has released an exclusive, it seems, with the rest of the songs.

1up Quotes
Okay, I e-mailed 1up (the source of the article) and obtained permission to quote from their article, just in case there's any uncertainty. Viewer 22:26, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Total number of songs
The 1up article from Oct 16 says that there are 19 songs + a secret ending song which would make a total of 20 songs, but the Wired article clearly states that only 19 songs will be playable. Did 1up misread the Wired article or do they have information everyone else doesn't? Or maybe they're just making things up? Abcfox 04:55, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * No, many folks on the fan boards are the ones who keep misreading the Wired article. The Wired article says quite clearly that the song list is in stage order, the Good Charlotte song is not the final stage, and: "All I can say is that "The Anthem" is not the final song. The final stage will be a moment you will not soon forget... (I hope!)." I'll be removing the piece of speculation of LLVL possibly being the final song from the article. It should only be readded if there's proof that it's the final song. LupinConq 08:38, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd like to apoligize if I sounded a bit rude in the previous post, I will admit that this specific section of the Wired article can be somewhat difficult to understand, as the writer starts to speculate in the form of some unanswered questions, which can be fairly confusing to many readers. The cryptic quote from Yano doesn't help things either, as even the writer of the article speculates that it could be a sign that there could be medley songs, or that some songs are only accessable in multiplayer. Guess we'll have to wait for November to see how many stages are in the game. LupinConq 17:35, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * There are two parts to the "final" scenario: the first being "Without a Fight", the second being "Jumpin' Jack Flash" by the Stones, so the tracklist is most definitely not in order. Although I strongly doubt it, there's a possibility that there are more parts after that, but I haven't been able to beat it at this point in time. As an aside, I have yet to come across a few of the tracks in the list at all, so I'm guessing these must be unlocked after beating it or something. Dirtie 01:28, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Three songs are unlocked after the player has achieved a specific rank by accumulating specific high score totals (Believe, ABC, and Survivor). Rank is determined by the totals of the high scores for each song on all difficulties. Also, in order to access the song on a given difficulty, the player must progress to the point along the story path where that song would appear. (For example, "Believe", a four-star difficulty song on Cruisin', is grouped with the songs that are unlocked after beating the first stage.)--Hailinel 08:26, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Under Development
This is absurd--the game is being sold, and many people have reported playing and beating the game. I'm taking the tag down. Viewer 03:10, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Nintendo says: November 8th is the ship date.
 * People say: Hey, we gots it early.
 * There is no precedent to remove the future tag at some point before it's released, regardless of whether or not some stores broke the street date or Nintendo shipped it and some store employees bought copies early. It is not released until November 8th, even if one million people buy a copy. - A Link to the Past (talk) 04:52, 5 November 2006 (UTC)


 * curious* How well is the game selling? Should it be mentioned here?
 * It cannot be known at this time. We'll know about mid December how well it did in November. - A Link to the Past (talk) 20:12, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay, now we know. One last question: Is 120,000 a lot for a handheld (the DS)? Or is it average. I REALLY wanna see a sequel so, yeah.
 * 120,000 is nothing. 1 million copies is nothing. 100,000,000 copies is nothing. If you don't make money, it doesn't matter, and the numbers mean nothing. If they make a profit off of 120,000 copies, then it's good. If they don't, they have to keep selling. - A Link to the Past (talk) 02:56, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Cover Artists
I went ahead and added the artists who sang the covers and made the formatting of it uniform to the Ouendan page. Pandaki 06:14, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

After watching the credits a few times to confirm the spelling for a FAQ I did over on GameFAQs, I added Brittany Kertesz to the credits for ABC. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.43.66.253 (talk • contribs)

Character list
Since there seems to be a repetitive problem with people wanting to add the list of all characters in the stories, I figure we best put it up for discussion. My feelings is that Wikipedia is not a information guide applies, and while the agents (the characters that exist throughout the game) are appropriate, the individual story characters are not. --Masem 16:33, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm in agreement. A section describing the agents is appropriate, but it doesn't need to be expanded to include every last character in the game.--Hailinel 22:56, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that the characters part should be in the article but with the Divas all together in the same entrie as well as Morris/Derek as they are not important enough as to deserve an entrie on their own.

General Norris 12:23, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

However, would it be appropriate to make mention of which characters from Ouendan correspond with the EBA? I think it is (at any rate) and plan on doing that. Brittany Ka 17:41, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It's unnecessary trivia. If it is added, I will ensure that it is removed. - A Link to the Past (talk) 20:37, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Is it really? I'd think that it's an interesting note as a comparison between the two games.--Hailinel 19:35, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I accept the idea of not comparing the two games or adding minor characters. However, I draw the line at not having a section for the Agents. That's like not having a description of Ken and Ryu on Street Fighter 2 because they're "too similar". I agree with General Norris' suggestion and will personally undo any deletions to this section beyond these very reasonable boundaries. Sir 0rion 00:11, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Article class assessment?
I think it's a bit silly that the article is still rated at "Start". How would one go about getting that changed?--Hailinel 03:08, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Changed Songs
I'm sure that the forum poster was telling the truth! Why would a tester for NOA lie about what he play-tested?
 * How do you know that he was actually an NOA tester and not, say, a pedophile working for the Canadian postal service in Toronto? Anyone can be anything on an internet message board. Just because someone says that they tested the game doesn't necessarily mean that it's true. There's no evidence to back the claim up. Was "Welcome to the Jungle" ever confirmed as being on the song list prior to development in an article from an official source? Did iNiS or Nintendo ever state that it was considered for use? The information about Livin' La Vida Loca is in the article because it actually comes from a credible news source; iNiS had made it public knowledge that the song was in a development version of the game only to drop it without explanation. The same cannot be said for Welcome to the Jungle or any other song that might have been used in prerelease versions because there is no official verification from Nintendo or iNiS.--Hailinel 17:06, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Differences between Ouendan and EBA
I remoevd the part that said "EBA has more complex beat patterns than Ouendan..." because it is only true in one song, namely "Material Girl". Also it has the indirect meaning of "EBA is more difficult than Ouendan" when it is not which is misleadening. Also i'm unsure if this part is really necesary. General Norris 12:23, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

As opposed to getting into an editing war, I'm curious why User:A Link to the Past removed the list of changes between Ouendan and EBA, and what others think the best way that information should be presented. I know his reversion summarized some of them in the gameplay, but I think from the standpoint of as it was, a section that clearly outlined what is new in EBA is more worthwhile then trying to write those into the gameplay (it will be more useful for those trying to find that information, which is factual but not boarding on gamefaqs or instruction manual details). (I would think it would almost be better to clear out much of the gameplay section and refer users to Ouendan though it would be difficult to do this). --Masem 06:04, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

As far as linking the Ouendan and EBA articles together, I think it's fair that they both share information. Although they are two separate games that are unrelated in terms of story, they do share a history together, and the most basic and important game mechanics were left unchanged. However, I don't think that one article should serve as a reference to the other. (i.e.: Don't remove the majority of the gameplay section information from one and then point to the other game's article for that information). As far as highlighting key differences in EBA and Ouendan, I do believe that those are worth highlighting. Because EBA is, in essence, an improvement of Ouendan with additional features, people that are interested to know what those additional features are should be able to look them up without hassle. It's not looking up codes or strategies, which one would normally use a Game FAQ for, it's looking up information on a direct comparison between the two games.--Hailinel 06:16, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It's borderline trivia. - A Link to the Past (talk) 08:22, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * How is it trivia to list specific technical differences between the two games? That's what I really don't understand. When I think trivia on Wikipedia, I think of "Game X makes a reference to Completely Unrelated Game Y with Z, although there is no evidence to the idea and therefore is only speculation." I would appreciate it if you would expand on your viewpoint in this matter, because claiming that it's "borderline trivia" without presenting your case does not in my mind make for a very strong argument. --Hailinel 09:24, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * How is it not trivia? It was useful information when it first came out, but now it's trivia. We can't include every single thing either, and yet it wouldn't be "differences between EBA and Ouendan" if we didn't. - A Link to the Past (talk) 23:21, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia doesn't have a time factor for information, so just because it's been out for a while doesn't mean the information is useless and trivial - if/when an EBA2 comes out, someone may want to explore the roots of the game and that information would be useful to them. --Masem 00:15, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That argument holds true for ALL information. - A Link to the Past (talk) 00:40, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I still say the information is useful and should be in the article. Other video games articles that talk about sequels or remakes include lists of changes, including at least two featured articles from the CVG project:  Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (specifically the new stuff included in MGS3: Subsistence, and The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker.  Its information not outlined in the manual (as EBA doesn't make any direct reference to Ouendan in the manual), and it's not telling someone how to beat the game.  The only thing I would argue otherwise is that while a list is easier to put in place, we could go for ages with every tiny difference, and it may be better put in prose form (which is preferred whenever possible on WP), which would outline the major changes. --Masem 06:32, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I fully agree with Masem. The changes article is not mentioned in either manual, and I have seen other articles with it. It was a fully-created and set-in section. If not, at least list the really major changes. --Luigi6138 18:40, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I also agree with Masem. Article succinctity is all well and good, but this is just ridiculous. I say that it should be in there. Sir 0rion 00:40, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Three missing song's articles?
Every time I look at the song list and see those dreadful red links to non-existent articles for those songs, I die a little inside. The three songs in question are Rock this Town, Without a Fight, and You're the Inspiration. There should be articles for the songs, so someone get crackin' please!Aliento 09:07, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Same issue came up for Guitar Hero songs, and the consensus there was that unless the song has a page already or gained a page for some other WP-valued significance, it was not worth the WP spwarl for adding the new article just because it was included in the game's selection. --Masem 03:43, 21 January 2007

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Character Descriptions
I've played this game to completion, and I don't see any evidence of Spin needing his headphones to keep the beat of the songs, nor have I seen Foxx using a computer at all. Where was this info taken from? 72.240.61.138 15:21, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I concur with the Headphones thing, however, if you observe closely, in the opening sequences to most, if not all of the songs, you CAN usually see Foxx holding a Laptop. Aliento 01:20, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * You're right; I guess I just usually skip the intros, after seeing them multiple times. 72.240.61.138 15:34, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The game's instruction manual implies Spin's reliance on the headphones (not exactly states it), but it's there. --REALiTY 21:31, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Rank list
As with the issue of the Character list, it seems it would be a good idea to put it up for discussion. We know that Wikipedia is not an information guide, and this information, as it stands, is neither particularly interesting or worth noting. Aliento 01:19, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Stage names
(This applies to Ouendan too, I expect most that watch EBA watch Ouendan as well). I disagree about not including the stage names - I agree that WP isn't a video game guide and thus not including the character names and details of stage scenarios makes perfect sense. But the stage names add little weight to the page, they're not guide-type information, more that "this song is used here". Ok, maybe with Ouendan because someone had to translate the title and the translation guides are floating around, but again, it's a very lightweight piece of information. --Masem 22:23, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * When people see the name of the level for the first time, they can see the song title, just to clarify. Just because it's lightweight information does not mean it's necessary. - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:44, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Answer: It's just a vandal trying to start a rumor
IS IT TRUE THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE AN EBA SEQUEL CALLED ELITE BEAT DIVAS?! Says so here on Wikipedia...just type Elite Beat Divas...source? -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.169.148.247 (talk • contribs)
 * Looks like pure vandalism to me. I'm afraid I'm going to have to nip this one in the bud. --Julian Grybowski 02:27, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Look, I'm not the one who wrote the article, okay? Geez, ask a question and someone misinterprets it.
 * I don't think he was accusing you of anything. ;) Sockatume 21:20, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

There is going to be a EBA Sequel. If you beat the stage Jumpin' Jack Flash and wait until the very end of the credits, at the bottom it says: TO BE CONTINUED... But I don't think the sequel will be called EBD... probably just EBA 2 or something. After all, I don't think that Nintendo wants to throw away the game's ambiguity towards males and females- right?70.153.250.149 (talk) 15:24, 27 December 2007 (UTC)ShokuMasterLord

Incorrect information
I have just unlocked Commander Kahn without having to beat every stage with a positive outcome. You just have to finish the last level to unlock him. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by CrimiClown (talk • contribs) 13:33, 18 February 2007 (UTC).

"Themically like Ouendan"
I also noticed this in the article,but I think that another stage that should be added is that the song "Your the Inspiration" Where a girl trying to reunite with her fathers show.And in the Ouendan version,a dead guy is trying to reunite to his wife.Should this be added —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 151.200.39.183 (talk) 20:44, 22 February 2007 (UTC).

Release Date for Britain
After going to multiple game stores on the 1st of march, and the stores having no copies, i can pretty much assume that the release date is NOT the 1st of march, especially after they all told me the release date had been unconfirmed.

Question
The individual stories are not linked by an overarching narrative, but all of the characters in the game reappear in the final stage, when the agents must face a worldwide threat. I don't seem to remember Leo and 'Mona' appearing in the final story. I could be wrong, though... -- Rabin 19:20, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * At the end of the 15th episode, just before you get "Mission Complete," the crowd is shown. If you look closely, you can see both of them. Groudon199 00:55, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll look the next time I play. Thank you! -- Rabin 20:38, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Elite Beat Agents Cover Art.jpg
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 * I've tried to fill this in, but I don't know where the image came from. If anyone can help with the rationale template I added to the image page.... --Masem 05:08, 3 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I uploaded the image on another account. I got the image here: http://portables.p-nintendo.com/jeux/J10551.html Hope it helps. :) Clamticore 14:43, 4 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Edited... (Calamity-Ace 14:53, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Removal of trivia
I agree with the editor that removed the trivia as it stood. Of the 5 items: - Two dealt with reoccurring characters from Oeundan. This is already mentioned in the Story section. - The others dealt with "oddities" in the game, like certain characters having one outfit in one scene and a different outfit in another, or that they dance differently depending on difficultly level. These are not of use to someone that has never played the game and is only researching the game. That is, this is game guide and fanwankery material that really doesn't have to be spelled out. Thus, of the trivia there presently, it's not needed, so taking it out is recommended. --Masem 19:56, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

The Ouendan 2 page has its own trivia, even mentioning stuff that relates to EBA (such as the reoccurring of Junior and the Announcer), so I don't see why this one has to keep getting deleted. These are all valid points (with the exception of my Commander Khan theory, that was just an assumption) and even if people who haven't played the game before come to this page, so do the people who have played this game to find out interesting observations that they may not have noticed. And reading up on oddities is one of the fun parts of looking up cartoons and games on Wiki. The costume error in "Without a Fight" is a valid blooper, and with the dances it's not cos of different difficulty, it's the fact that the Ouendan games don't have these stage specific dances. --User:Wonchop 00:35, 21 July 2007 (GMT)
 * The Ouendan 2 page is way too heavy as well, I just haven't gotten around to removing it. And while looking up trivia can be fun, it's not the purpose of WP, it's to try to define what the game is for reference purposes. --Masem 23:41, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Stub?
I find it very hard to believe this article is still a stub. We have tons of info and sources. ~Crowstar~ 19:33, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Then remove it.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 19:52, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I didn't think you could remove stubs. Thanks! ~Crowstar~ 14:10, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

EBA in Korea?
Where did this come from? And why is Korea getting an English-language and Western-culture-centered game? That seems hard to believe, because if anything, they should be getting the considerably-more-Asian Ouendan (re-edited for Korean text), or their own version of Ouendan/EBA altogether. Luigi6138 21:54, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I've heard it reported elsewhere (don't have any links handy) that EBA will be released in Korea, but as for why, I don't know. Maybe western music appeals to Koreans more than Japanese music. Just because Korea is a geographic neighbor of Japan doesn't mean that they are inclined to like the same things.--4.243.36.89 18:12, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Where did this come from? Well, obviously, that's because Korea has the released Korean Version of EBA, not Ouendan. And why is Korea getting an English-language and Western-culture-centered game? Then compare Ready-Go Steady by L'arc-en-ciel with Sk8r Boi. Which is more popular? Of course, music like Sk8r Boi, Survivor, Y.M.C.A., etc. gives a wider attention and appeal to Koreans. That seems hard to believe, because if anything, they should be getting the considerably-more-Asian Ouendan (re-edited for Korean text), or their own version of Ouendan/EBA altogether. Well, Koreans hate Japanese... well not exactly hate... but rather unfamiliar with J-pop. So the answer was EBA in Korean Version. And if they actually made a DS game similar to Ouendan and EBA, then the copyright disputes and patent issues would kick in. Benhpark 02:54, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Let me make these clear.
1. For those of you mistaken, please note that Livin in Vida Loca by Ricky Martin is not the part of soundtrack in EBA. Yup, I've said it. Not in EBA. That makes it grand total of 19 songs, with 3 bonus stages and two parts (Without A Fight, Jumping Jack Flash) in the last stage. 2. '''There is a Korean version of EBA. Korea being unfamiliar with most of J-pop music is one of the reasons why EBA had been chosen instead of Ouendan.''' 3. There are 10 characters. I can't memorize the names ^^ -Jay -Spin -Chieftain -Moris -Derek -Divas (three of them) -Mr. X (a guy with a cat's head) -Commander Khan

Benhpark 03:04, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * clap* - A Link to the Past (talk) 17:33, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

NAMES
what are the main characters names? it's not in the article.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.21.13.183 (talk) 17:27, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I want to know this too. :< 69.68.142.173 (talk) 18:24, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * They aren't necessary. The characters as a whole are important, but individually they are not important to the game. There's nothing to say about them. - A Link to the Past (talk) 18:28, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Might need a new section
I sneaked up on the Japanese version of the page and it has a description of the (what's the word for those people who shout "HHHEEEAAALLLPPP!!!" ?)s, and it also has a briefing of the plot of each episode. Unless you think it's too insighted or something, this should definitely be added. Mydoctor93 (talk) 06:53, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Oops! I guess the discussion about this was already finished. Mydoctor93 (talk) 06:55, 7 October 2008 (UTC)