Talk:Elle Leonard

Notable?
How is this person notable under WP:GNG? The lede asserts she is notable as an athlete, but she never competed beyond high school and her highest honor was as a fifth-team, all-state basketball and volleyball player. The article has lots of citations, but none of them qualify as WP:SIGCOV. Articles that simply mention her as the wife of an NBA player don't cut it. And interviews such as this aren't considered WP:INDEPENDENT. Unless someone can point to some actual SIGCOV, this should go to AfD. Cbl62 (talk) 00:06, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi! I'm reviewing this article for GA and before I continue my review, I would like to be sure the article won't get deleted. Do you plan to bring it to AfD? Regards.  The Blue  Rider  Postal horn icon.svg 09:46, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I was hoping to get an answer to my question above as to how this person is notable. There's been no response, and I still haven't seen anything that constitutes WP:SIGCOV of this person (rather than of her husband). Absent that, it shold probably go to AfD, don't you think? Cbl62 (talk) 10:04, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * From a quick glance, indeed it doesn't seem notable, but probably better to ping the creator of the page, .  The Blue  Rider  Postal horn icon.svg 12:01, 18 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Before she was married, she would have passed WP:GNG. I have done started a lot of athletes bios when they were in high school or college based on GNG. She would have passed based on her high school press. Notability is permanent. Thus she is notable. You know this User:Cbl62. The "Girls Spotlight..." article gets her sigcov.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:32, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, she has been on many podcasts. Do those count? I recall Spoelstra's wife's podcast. I could probably find a few others.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:37, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Maybe podcasts don't count, but here are a few if they do:
 * https://soundcloud.com/kxtg-the-bald-faced-truth/bft-interview-elle-leonard
 * https://www.owltail.com/podcast/G74Kq-The-Know-with-Nikki-Spo
 * https://chartable.com/podcasts/whiskey-water-podcast/episodes/109168300-showing-up-as-yourself-with-elle-leonard
 * https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/meyers-elle-leonard-on-nba-marriage-the-miami-heat-and-more/id1336060206?i=1000460875267
 * https://podcasts.apple.com/dk/podcast/elle-leonard/id1670202632?i=1000606431624
 * https://www.elleleonard.com/work/2020/2/21/giant-voices-podcast
 * I think there are more.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:53, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Also forbes.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:59, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Maybe this one counts.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:01, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * E online-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:02, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Tony, but I don't think any of these come close. Interviews on podcasts (or elsewhere) fail the WP:INDEPENDENT requirement and don't count in a WP:GNG analysis.  And "The Girls Spotlight" piece is  behind a paywall but appears to be a local paper doing a profile of a local high school athlete; because it's coverage  of a high school athlete, it doesn't pass the bar of WP:NHSPHSATH. And, come on, fifth-team all-state honors in girls' high school basketball doesn't come close to being a basis for notability as a basketball player. Not to mention the fact that nonsensical filler content such as "Leonard can be seen keeping her basketball skills sharp on social media", as well as sexist content such as "she was regarded as having notable sex appeal compared to wives and girlfriends in attendance" has no place on Wikipedia. Is this really the direction you think our encyclopedia should develop? You are capable of so much better than this, Tony. Cbl62 (talk) 16:51, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * She is a tiktok star with 1.4 million followers so, I actually found a sourced way to mention she can be seen on social media. What is the problem with that.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:27, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * P.S. I am not trying to say she is notable because she has over a million tiktok followers. If social media activity counted for notability Paulina Gretzky would have never gotten deleted.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:31, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I am a strong advocate of notability under WP:NBASIC and keeping articles where there can be a significant biography developed, but here, I just don't see any notability. Fifth-team All-State as the highest accomplishment does not make for notability. There is the possibility of sigcov in the one spotlight article, but even if so that is one piece of coverage and it is likely to be disqualified by NHSPHSATH. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:17, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I am not trying to say she is truly notable as an athlete. She is a person with a million tiktok followers who actually had enough press in her high school days to cobble together a WP bio. So I went for it.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:35, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * (Pinged here) I agree with others above that this subject does not have the SIGCOV necessary for a standalone. IMO this is a prime example of how a lengthy, detailed article can be written on just about any moderately successful US high school athlete by simply stringing many trivial results, local hype, and passing mentions into prose. The spotlight article is a local interview-based profile that clearly fails YOUNGATH on top of not being enough to meet GNG.I'm concerned that someone with as many athlete biographies as TTT is seemingly unaware of core NSPORT guidelines and "isn't sure" whether podcast appearances count towards GNG, especially considering multiple people have brought the same issues up on other TTT creations. JoelleJay (talk) 19:09, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * So the Forbes and E-online don't count?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:18, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I know with my own sister's article there is some splitting of Forbes in terms of what counts and what doesn't.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:19, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Other than her, it has been a while since I have created an article based on high school accomplishment. Now that I look at NHSPHSATH, I recall needing non-local, which she had none of in high school. She is getting some press for her business now, but if we are ruling out all interviews, I am in a situation like I was in with my own sister's article. I don't quite know what got my sister's article approved for article space because she was sourced with limited independent coverage as well. I am certainly not saying Elle is a N as my sister, but the problems were the same.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:23, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * her being Leonard not my sister.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:58, 24 December 2023 (UTC)