Talk:FIFA 10

Seven new leagues?
this article says that 7 new leagues will appear on fifa10, where is the reference??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.131.22.127 (talk) 17:44, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Cleanup Request?
I am not familiar with this article but I have noticed that several unverified claims have been added as well as a bit of sneaky vandalism here and there. Would the people familiar with the progress of this upcoming title take a look and give this article a cleanup? Your Welcome.¤~Persian Poet Gal (talk) 21:17, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

i love fifa —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.46.140.133 (talk) 10:38, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

PSP
Is this not coming out for the PSP?92.12.86.192 (talk) 18:13, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

iPhone
I believe this is coming out on the iPhone as well, should this not be listed aside from Mobile Phone as it is essentially a completely different gaming platform? 90.209.234.129 (talk) 21:20, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Objective Viewpoint
This article sounds like an advertisement. How much bigger can football be? Those lame marketing buzzwords and referring to the player as "you"? This needs a cleanup.

Front cover/s
Where is the source? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Konnaz (talk • contribs) 06:58, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Might want to add a reference to the limited edition Swindon Town cover (availible in Swindon as part of the Sponsorship deal with EA) - it features Lloyd Macklin, Billy Paynter and David Lucas on the cover. Image of the cover available on the Swindon Town official site.86.137.131.20 (talk) 22:24, 2 October 2009 (UTC)Hal

New Leagues
The Russian Premier League seems to be one of the new additons to the game. If any new additions are made, I'll try to continue updating the section.

= where does it say that Australian league will be eliminated?

Contradictory Release Dates?
Firstly, whoever wrote the article contradicts the release date by saying it will be released in August, but on the side panel, it mentions it is released in October in all regions. Please clarify this now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.175.171.124 (talk) 15:59, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

It will not be in august, trust me. If anything else other than October, it'll be released in September, but by going by previous releases of the game, which were all in October, leads me to believe that October will be the releae date. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.211.231.12 (talk) 18:35, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

It definitley won't be August, because the transfer window doesn't end until August 31st/September 1st. At the earliest it will be mid September, but it is usually always October. --Emmet1994 (talk) 22:38, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Seriously?
"Players such as Cristiano Ronaldo and Drogba die automatically when touched...the game will be called off and a 3-0 win will be awarded to the opposing team." Seriously? Come on guys. —Wikiperson0202 (talk) 16:09, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

i didnt do it but thats hilarious —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.153.213.90 (talk) 14:05, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Not needed text?
"Before EA announced it would be developing the game, a producer of FIFA made a forum topic for improvements for FIFA 10. Hundreds and thousands of posts were made in the topic." - Is this even needed? Konnaz (talk) 05:38, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It shows the support and following of the FIFA series. Strydom21.04 08:20, 20 August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.46.136.218 (talk)

Stadiums
Leave the "Stadiums" section off until EA confirms the stadiums in FIFA 10. I don't know who thought it would be a good idea to cite a YouTube video of FIFA 09's stadia and a broken link to a forum in order to provide evidence for this "fact". I also wonder who thought it would be a good idea to bring back that section after it was deleted for good reason. To sum it up- quit yo shit. MGrassi (talk) 16:07, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

http://www.mediotiempo.com/videojuegos/fifa09/noticias/2009/07/15/todos-los-estadios-que-apareceran-en-el-fifa-10

the same as fifa09 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.131.34.231 (talk) 18:47, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Finally- the Russian league
When FIFA 09 was coming out i was hoping there would be the Russian league- but there wasn't one! Shame as well sort of, i was intending to get it on the xbox 360 but it's not on there, why did they take it off the newer consoles? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.241.53.54 (talk) 07:57, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


 * The licensing came at a late time. Apparently, the "Next Gen" games had already gone through the process of adding leagues, and the Russian league got licensed at the last moment. So now only the PS2, PC, and PSP versions can have the game with the Russian league on it. However, EA has mentioned nothing about other new leagues being present for "Next Gen" (which thus leaves it as a possibility).--//&#91;*&#93;MarshalN20&#91;*&#93;\\ (talk) 14:50, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

On the PS2- again?
Seriously, i think they should stop making FIFA games on the PS2, they've done it for ages! for FIFA 09 the graphics where no where near as good as the ones on say the, PS3, so i move they cancel it on the PS2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.241.53.54 (talk) 08:04, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


 * This is a discussion about the article, not about EA's decision to release the game on the PS2.

201.250.96.42 (talk) 16:27, 14 July 2009 (UTC)Focus


 * So what? It clearly says in the article that it will be the last ps2 game. I that info came after your comment, I apologize. Either way, Wii, PSP, DS, N-Gage, iPhone and other phones doesent exactly have better graphics. If EA would give out more quality product instead of massive cheap quantity, like if they released Fifa 10 for only Ps3 and Pc, they would get great products. 83.108.208.28 (talk) 17:24, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes - they have added that a few hours ago. When I commented it wasn't there. EDIT: Oh, you were talking to 89.241.53.54. I thought you were talking to me, sorry. FocusYa (talk) 19:07, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Gamescom Conference
The article says the conference is on July 21st, where the actual date is August 19, according to fifa.easports.com. 201.250.96.42 (talk) 16:30, 14 July 2009 (UTC)Focus}

Lists
The soundtrack list has been added and removed various times by various people so probably needs discussing here. My own view is that listing the entire thing is undesirable and unnecessary, especially as the citation is an external link to the list for those who want it. The songs that play in the background on the menu screens are pretty much irrelevant to the game itself -- this isn't Rock Band or Guitar Hero, where the songs matter. This is an undue weight matter at the very least. But even if it was relevant, the main problem with these articles on FIFA games in general are that they end up as nothing but a series of lists. Leagues, stadiums, soundtracks, commentators... this isn't how to write an encyclopedia article, and the fact that there are other terrible FIFA articles composed like this isn't justification to let it happen here too. While lists are sometimes appropriate, I would appeal to editors watching this page to prevent this turning into the likes of FIFA 08 or FIFA 09.  Mi re ma re  02:13, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I completely agree. This is the first FIFA article I've watched and I would very much like it to be a good Wikipedia article. I see no problem with saying something like "The game's soundtrack features 39 licenced songs and includes artists such as Wyclef Jean, Röyksopp and Peter Bjorn And John. " but listing the entire tracklist seems unnecessary.  Chimpanzee  - User | Talk | Contribs 07:54, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I think the soundtrack should be posted. I want to know what music is in FIFA 10, as in all other games. The music can make the game seem better too. I think it should be left up. Give the people as much information as is available I say. --93.107.136.201 (talk) 17:01, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * As an encyclopedia, we're supposed to create an article that delivers factual information. I find the attempts at making this a "good article" a good and well intentioned goal. However, the problem is that this is an article of recent events, and random editors will come and go, and the article is really not going to be complete until the game comes out and all of the aspects are tried out. I would recommend that you first edit one of the older FIFA articles, 08 or 09 (preferably 08), and set a standard that all FIFA series articles should follow. Editing FIFA 10 in an attempt to set a standard is a good, but useless idea at this point.--$%MarshalN20%$ (talk) 21:19, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * As you say, random editors will come and go. The nature of these yearly releases means people lose interest in the article pretty quick, as the next one comes along. Who cares about FIFA 2005 now? The problem is that it means we end up with articles just like FIFA 2005, as all the available info is jammed in early on in an unsuitable manner, then left forgotten. Starting as you mean to go on can't be a bad idea IMO, and there's no better place to set a standard than the article in the series that people are going to actually be looking at and editing. If this had been done in 2004, we might have a better series of articles now.  Mi re ma re  21:54, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Netherlands rumors
Should we mention the rumors of the possibly of the Netherlands being listened in the game? For example:this video here.--BeaverOtter28 (talk) 21:57, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * We can't cite a Youtube video, do you have any reliable articles we can link to? I did a quick Google search and couldn't find anything other than forums.  Mi re ma re   00:34, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Ahly are not in the demo
The citation for teams available in the demo does not list Ahly (I assume this is the Egyptian Al-Ahly.) Lobbying for more nationals leagues, national teams and stadia are great, but try the E.A. forums rather than this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.163.133.193 (talk) 03:29, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing that out, I intended to remove it (hence the edit summary), rather than add it back. Oops.  Mi re ma re   13:37, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Unreferenced addition of national teams, and clubs.
No reference has been given by the user who editted the page to add the Clubs, Leagues, and National teams whatsoever. In fact, the list seems to be almost identical to that of FIFA 09's, especially in the national department. I can't edit it myself - nor would - but I suggest that it is removed until there is some reference to back up the addition. Essentially, please change the leagues, national teams et cetera to "No leagues, rest of the world teams, or national teams have been announced as of yet".

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.151.99.204 (talk) 10:36, 15 September 2009 (UTC)


 * ✅ List has been removed by another used; per verifiability policy, "Any material lacking a reliable source may be removed". Of course, if this can be added back with appropriate reliable sources, that would be great - but I could not find any.  Chzz  ►  15:02, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Soundtrack
An editor recently added the following to the soundtrack section, citing the manual of the PC version as source:


 * Adiam Dymott - "Miss You"
 * Afrobots - "Favela Rock"
 * Alex Metric - "Head Straight"
 * Crookers feat. The Very Best, Two Fingers & Marina Gasolina - "Birthday Bash"
 * The Temper Trap - "Science Of Fear"

Since these are not listed on the game's track list on EA's website, but do turn up in Google searches with FIFA 10 (though not all together), can someone confirm if these are present?  Mi re ma re   04:25, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Early Release in Australia
The game got released here early on the 30th September. I'm not sure as to why the main theory though is that there was a leak. I have the game and can confirm which leagues are not and are in the PS3 version of the game. I however have no references other than having the game, should I still update the page without citation? Tubby23 (talk) 08:28, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Can't find anything on Google News about a change of Australian release date, so it's possible that some stores just nefariously decided to start selling it early. It's happened before. Regarding the leagues, we may as well have them now. For something like that it would be acceptable to cite the game itself, and there'll probably be plenty of secondary sources we could use instead after the game is "officially" released anyway.  Mi re ma re   17:26, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

It turns out one of the discount stores sold it early and then all the other stores were informed about 1:30pm that they could sell it. Tubby23 (talk) 05:26, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * You could just share with us so I can end my personal suspense, haha. matt91486 (talk) 22:50, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry it took me a while to put up I haven't been at home. Sorry if I have wrecked to for anyone who wanted to wait. ;) Tubby23 (talk) 04:38, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Is there any need for the "The" before each league name? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.71.57.163 (talk) 09:45, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Lists revisited
Can we reach a consensus of what lists we do and don't need in the article? So far we've had soundtrack, leagues, "rest of world" teams, national teams, stadia, commentators, and the "covers" section which is currently a list without the gaps. As an encyclopedia article we need to justify the presence of a list over a section covering the info in prose - and of course whether the info is important enough to cover in prose. The only one of these that I can see as being important enough for a list is the leagues. Which leagues are included has a massive impact on the game itself, which cannot be said of any of the others, IMO.  Mi re ma re   00:19, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

League Of Ireland
Why is the Northern Irish flag alongside the Republic of Ireland flag? I know Derry play in the LOI but surely you should put a Welsh flag alongside the Coca Cola Championship if that's the logic we are using?--86.178.194.94 (talk) 14:15, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I've removed it. I would say in the interests of weight, one flag should be used for each league. The flags are here simply to aid identification of the league, not to make any kind of point or go into details about the nationalities of a small minority of the teams within. Each league has it's own article, which is the place for that kind of thing.  Mi re ma re   16:46, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Soundtrack Edit
The song listed as "Matt & Kim - Daylight (Troublemaker Remix feat. De La Soul)" is incorrect. It is "Matt & Kim - Daylight (Outro Remix)"

This is off their album "Grand". Also correct in the following YOuTube video. 

Here is "Matt & Kim - 'Daylight (Troublemaker Remix feat. De La Soul)" 

64.252.135.209 (talk) 04:48, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

FIFA 10 rest of world and national teams
I hav added the list of rest of world and national teams in the final version of the game. I wonder why it had been reverted once, the list is completely true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alimpan barua (talk • contribs) 20:33, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

I agree...why the hell is this kind of detail considered inappropriate for FIFA 10?? It appears for some of the earlier FIFA series of computer games after all. Mlindroo (talk) 16:37, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * According with some editors, "a good encyclopedic article should be mention just the fact of how many teams are featured in the game, but not listing them". So, why are leagues teams listed and not national teams? So I considerer that national teams should be included, otherwise all the list should be deleted. Fma12 (talk) 23:29, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Improvements
Is it possible to have listed which improvements are PS3/Xbox 360 exclusive and which aren't? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.211.6.4 (talk) 11:12, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Don't revert my contributions, OK? —Preceding unsigned comment added by NaFeR (talk • contribs) 17:24, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

What are you on about? I ask for something that would improve the article. I didn't revert anything. --80.211.6.4 (talk) 10:22, 19 October 2009 (UTC)Danish FIFA-fan

hatnote
editsemiprotected A hatnote

should be placed using the code --78.34.245.117 (talk) 09:20, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅—SpaceFlight89 12:25, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Soundtrack - too few listed tracks
There is currently only 34 listed tracks on the Wikipedia article while it in fact really is 39 tracks on the soundtrack according to EA's investor page (scroll down to FIFA 10):. I have been playing FIFA 10 on Xbox 360 and Adiam Dymott's "Miss You" is listed on the soundtrack, a song that is otherwise not listed on the Wikipedia article.

The page linked above also states which nation each track are represented by, e.g. Wyclef Jean's song "MVP Kompa" represents Haiti.

The five tracks that seems to be missing are:

Adiam Dymott - "Miss You", Afrobots - "Favela Rock", Alex Metric - "Head Straight", Crookers feat. The Very Best, Two Fingers & Marina Gasolina - "Birthday Bash", The Temper Trap - "Science of Fear".

My proposal for you is to add those new songs into the article, as well as to list each respective song to its represented country as in the article for FIFA '08 (if deeming it necessary). —Preceding unsigned comment added by WinstonSpangberg (talk • contribs) 15:49, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Question: Welcome and thanks for wanting to improve this article. The current 34 are reliably sourced from the "Official FIFA Soccer 10 Soundtrack," an album released by EA on July 31st. Your 39 are from a press release dated July 27th which includes "the complete in-game soundtrack for FIFA 10." Is the section meant to cover the soundtrack album or the in-game sound track, or are both usually the same? One solution would be to add these five at the end of the secion. If you decide it would be better to present the in-game soundtrack as a single list, we should mark those five as not being in the album. Celestra (talk) 16:38, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it's meant to be the in-game soundtrack primarily, though the only source we had was for the soundtrack album, which I don't think anyone was expecting to be different until the game was released. I looked for a source for the extra tracks, but to no avail, so thanks for finding one. :)  Mi re ma re   18:07, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

2010 World Cup game????
Why does the article for the 2010 FIFA World Cup video game get automatically redirected to this page? I managed to find the 2010 WC game page going through cache... but I can't get there normally, it keeps redirecting me to FIFA 10. What the hell is going on? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.77.223.53 (talk) 05:55, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * EA haven't even announced the game yet, let alone any details of it. Other than speculation, there's nothing to write about until they do, so the article is redirected.  Mi re ma re   06:40, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

But FIFA 10 doesn't actually feature the world cup. Its misleading.--129.130.208.235 (talk) 01:48, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

I agree, it is misleading to redirect here. IGN lists that the FIFA 2010 World Cup game is going to be released on April 28th 2010: http://xbox360.ign.com/objects/053/053043.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.129.85.4 (talk) 22:39, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Um.....Were is the Russian League?
This article ignores the fact that there is the Russian Premier League in this game.

I don't know if the game is on any other console other than the PSP because I have the game. It is called in the game 'ROSGOSSTRAKH CHAMPIONSHIP' with teams like CSKA Moskva, Rubin Kazan, Spartak Moskva and Zenit.

Someone PLEASE update the article.10soccerkid10 (talk) 12:45, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It's in the leagues section: "New to FIFA 10 is the Russian Premier League, which has so far only been officially confirmed for the PC version." The problem is citing which versions it is (or isn't) in.  Mi re ma re   14:15, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

It is also on the PSP, I have it.10soccerkid10 (talk) 19:00, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

It lists all the leagues for the PS3, but instead it should have all the leagues and the little 1 beside it to state it is new or it is only on PC etc.10soccerkid10 (talk) 19:02, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Finally found a source for the leagues, albeit in Romanian, so I've added the Russian league.  Mi re ma re   20:08, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Just Added Few Icons
I just added a Canadian flagicon to the Major League Soccer thing on the 'Leagues' section. I also added Monaco's flag beside the Ligue 1.10soccerkid10 (talk) 09:00, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

pc ratings?
Nowhere on the page is a word to be found about how the pc-version is a complete disaster compared to the console-version. Is EA putting pressure on wikipedia? So much for free encyclopedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.180.127.19 (talk) 19:08, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I hope you realise the magnitude of those allegations. The PC version obviously receives less coverage than the Xbox 360 or PlayStation 3 versions of the game as it is not a flagship platform for the game or the game franchise, not because of any perceived lack of quality in the gameplay, graphics or any other department of the game. Please feel free to add an objective appraisal of the PC version of the game, but be aware that any bias in any review of the game will be edited accordingly. – PeeJay 22:13, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The article concentrates on the 360/PS3 versions, as those are the big sellers and the flagship/s of the range. A section on the differences with the other versions would certainly be a useful addition though.  Mi re ma re   18:25, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Major League Soccer
I'm curious as to why a league that has teams in both the United States and Canada can only have the American flag. MLS is an international league, and I do not think it adds any kind of "undue weight" to add a flag to reflect that. All past FIFA game pages have both the American and Canadian flags when mentioning MLS, and I don't see why this page is any different. I cannot speak for any other league, but MLS is without question an international league. -- Plasma Twa  2  19:27, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not an international league, it's a US league with one Canadian team in it. Putting the Canadian flag alongside the US flag implies parity, which is not the case. It's the same with including the Welsh flag with the English Football League Championship (two Welsh teams out of 24) or the New Zealand flag with the Australian league (one NZ team). Also when a flag is used the name of the country must also be stated (per WP:MOSFLAG) for those who are unfamiliar with flags, and naming a league for example, the "English/Welsh Football League Championship", would be pushing the weight even further.  Mi re ma re   05:50, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
 * It is an international league. Unlike other leagues, MLS represents the top of both American and Canadian soccer pyramids. It is the top professional league for both countries. This isn't simply a case of a Canadian team playing in an American league. MLS represents the top league in Canada, as well. You are suggesting that the Canadian team and contribution to the league is inferior to the American, which is not the case. Starting from the FIFA 07 article, both American and Canadian flags are put next to MLS. On the 09 article, there is a note that states: The list of leagues features the flags which represent the country of the league and the clubs participating, and features the names of the leagues as they are shown in the game. Why this article should be any different from all other FIFA game articles escapes me. Adding another flag does not give a nation an `*undue weight*`, as you say in your note on the page, because putting a soverign nation`s flag does not affect another country whatsoever. -- Plasma Twa  2  06:08, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I see what you're getting at, but as far as Canada's involvement is concerned, MLS is hardly on the scale of something like the NHL... Canada contributes a single team to MLS, whereas the US contributes fifteen. Contrary to your claim, this is far from an equal contribution, but using both flags implies otherwise, which is why there's a weight issue. Someone who isn't familiar with the MLS who comes to this article and sees the two flags would understandably assume that FIFA 10 includes a league that is half Canadian and half American, and that's misleading. MLS may be the top tier for Canadian clubs, but equally the English Premier League is (potentially) the top tier for Welsh clubs such as Cardiff, Swansea and Wrexham - they are eligible to play in the English football pyramid just as Canadian teams are eligible to play in the MLS. It's important to remember here that the flags are there to aid identification of the league itself, and therefore should indicate the country in which the league, rather than individual clubs within, is based. This is after all just an article on FIFA 10 - the place for explaining about the intricacies of a league is that league's article.  Mi re ma re   23:49, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * You are merely speculating that someone will come on here and assume that; you have no proof that someone will come on here and think that. It is equally as likely that someone who comes to this page is familiar with soccer and is aware that there is a single Canadian team in MLS. Because there is only one team does not diminish the fact that there is still a Canadian team in the league, and that team represents the top of the Canadian soccer pyramid; there is undisputably a Canadian contribution to the league. I think it is also relevant to note that one of the upcoming expansion teams will be from Canada, and at least two Canadian cities are always mentioned during expansion talks; there is a definite Canadian contribution to MLS. I cannot talk about any other league because I am not familiar with Wales or New Zealand, though I question how relevant Wales and the English Premier League, because Wales and England are both part of the United Kingdom). I do not think there should be flags at all if people are not willing to display all countries that are represented in the league. As you say, the intricacies of a league should be left to that league's article. If every country within a league cannot be represented, then I do not believe any should be. In all other pages, leagues like the NHL, NBA, and MLB - leagues bases in the United States - are usually mentioned as being from both the United States and Canada; despite that, in the MLB and NBA, there are 29 American and a single Canadian team. Previous FIFA pages does this for MLS as well. I do not see why this should be the exception. -- Plasma Twa  2  00:57, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Speculation? Not really, because that's the information as presented. The hypothetical reader would have no reason not to believe that the two flags presented next to each other represent reasonably equal parts. The point is you cannot assume that a reader knows there's only one Canadian team in the MLS, because the majority of people who visit this article probably don't. I don't think it's reasonable for you to assume that people know all about the MLS, while also saying that you are unfamiliar with other leagues. Not being an MLS fan myself, if somebody had asked me a few weeks ago how many Canadian teams were in it I wouldn't have known. Anyway, I think one of the most compelling reasons to retain the flags as they are is that this is also exactly how the leagues are represented in the game - one single flag with one named country. As for previous FIFA articles, most of them fail every guideline in the book... don't take anything they do as gospel.   Mi re ma re   03:29, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

I am gonna have to agree with Plasmatwa2. The flags do not represent the contribution of the teams from the respective country but rather shows where the leagues home countr(y)(ies) is/are. And Canada's top league is MLS. Right now it is only Toronto FC, yet many could argue that because of Toronto's expansion successes, it became a role model for San Jose, Seattle, Philadelphia (In MLS 2010), Portland(in 2011), Vancouver(in 2011,Canadian) and Montreal(possibly in 2011,Canadian).

And if someone goes on not knowing about the stance of MLS, most likely they won't care. They did go on the article for info about FIFA 10, not MLS. If they really care, they can go on the article and educate themselves.10soccerkid10 (talk) 14:08, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

I think that the Canadian flag should be included beside the US one for MLS, likewise the Welsh flag for the Football League Championship, Monaco flag for Ligue 1, New Zealand flag for the A-League, and the N.Ireland flag for the League of Ireland. This is the precedent for the FIFA 08 and FIFA 09 games and accurately represents the geographical spread of those leagues.Crc (talk) 21:42, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

As I see there has been no opposition in 2 days, I will soon put the flags beside the league.99.226.195.252 (talk) 12:29, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Can I just add in here, the Phoenix are an Australian club who happen to play in New Zealand, while the Canadian club in the MLS is a Canadian club (hence making it an international league) CipherPixel (talk) 02:34, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Actually, the Canadian champions are chosen via there own league now so to call the MLS the top Canadian league when "official" Canadian champions of a couple of years ago, Montreal Impact, haven't been picked as an expansion team is somewhat mis-leading. Toronto FC can't even qualify for the CONCACAF Champion's League via the MLS, they can only do so via the Canadien Championship. So to call it a true joint league is misleading. Toronto (and soon to be Vancouver) are basically de facto invited teams. It's a US league not a joint league. 86.2.201.236 (talk) 03:13, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

I think its unnecessary to add a Canadian flag because its grossly misleading to the average user. While MLS might be the top league in Canada, it currently has only 1 team. One team out of 16 doesn't mean its part Canadian. That would be like saying the A-Leauge is from New Zealand even though it is the top-flight league of Australia. LukeAmtiaz (talk) 11:23, 31 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by LukeAtmiaz (talk • contribs)

FIFA 10 Soundtrack Wii
I think it would be prudent for users requiring information about the Wii version of this game to tell them that there is no soundtrack on this platform. It is critical information as previous versions of the game have featured the soundtrack. Stop neglecting the Wii version, even if it is a pretty crummy game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.174.122 (talk) 02:19, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Glitch?
Is there a glitch that makes it seem like the players are skating? Doc Quintana (talk) 02:07, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know. You'd be better off asking about this on the official forums, though. Seegoon (talk) 15:55, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

I'll take that as an OK
Well I'm editing the soundtrack section to indicate that the wii version does not feature one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.176.88 (talk) 09:11, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Bugs
Why are edits than tell of the bugs and glitches of the games being removed? Seems encyclopedic to me to state that many fans are not pleased with a large amount of bugs. What is on the page now sounds more like advertising for EA. Not to mention the amount of credit this page gives the finances, besides the fact they don't work after two seasons.

"The Manager Mode has been revamped for FIFA 10, with many previous issues and criticisms addressed"

What about the many not addressed?

Imagine a page about a car that gives such a great rap for the engine, but fails to mention the steering doesn't work.

203.97.212.114 (talk) 02:24, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * If the bugs aren't mentioned in reliable third-party sources, we can't mention them here. – PeeJay 16:17, 22 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I call those that actually play the game the most reliable source there is. Sometimes you just needs to publish some things by common sense. I still see no reason not to have.


 * This wiki page reads as advertising, it talks about how great the game EA says it is. Needs a change, I'm not Mr Experienced wiki, so perhaps you can go looking for some "reliable" sources?


 * CipherPixel (talk) 07:01, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Regarding "advertising", the article relates mostly positive info on the game because that is the reception it has got from the gaming press. If the sources are positive, we can't claim otherwise because we're not reviewing the game ourselves, we're reporting on what reliable sources have said. FIFA 10 currently has metacritic and gamerankings averages of 91 and 90.56% respectively, a score that metacritic describes as "universal acclaim". The fact that "many fans" may be unhappy with certain aspects of the game counts for nothing unless a reliable source deems these shortcomings important enough to cover them. The fact is that FIFA 10's bugs, many of which were fixed by the patch, are simply not important enough for that to have happened. If any of them rendered the game unplayable someone would have taken note, but the closet FIFA 10 gets to that is the £2bn debt bug, which is rare and certainly doesn't render the game unplayable. It's also worth remembering that pretty much all the bugs affect only Manager Mode. Bugs get a mention in the reception section, and for the coverage they have received, that's all that is justifiable.  Mi re ma re   17:39, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

That isn't true actually that the £2bn debt bug is the closest it gets to unplayable. There's at least 2 severe freeze glitches in Manager Mode which when occur doesn't allow you to progress pass that certain point. One of the glitchs is at the match simulation screen after a match and the other glitch occurs post match at the man of the match screen. You only need to search "Manager Mode freeze" on Google to see that loads of people have encountered these common freeze bugs in Manager Mode. Also the majority of Manager Mode's bug were not fixed in a patch only around half a dozen were fixed in EA's 2nd patch release.

Ive added a section about the lack of team and player AI variety. As a regular Fifa player ive heard many complaints about this from gamers and EA has taken much criticism for it. You only need to look at the feedback section on their official forums to see that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.196.147.72 (talk) 03:33, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Game Face
Should there be a more detailed section about EA Game Face in FIFA, specifically about unhappiness with its implementation? I can't seem to find any reliable sources, but blog comments and message board comments are showing a very negative reception. FWIW, my own experiences with Game Face have been less than satisfactory. It looks great on the website, but but it looks terrible when downloading it to the game on Xbox 360. It just doesn't look the same. Other people have been experiencing other/different issues.

http://www.easportsfootball.co.uk/news/item/file/GameFace_Index http://www.easports.com/blogs/offthebench/post/slug/how-to-game-face-and-fifa-10 http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/300485.page http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/318647.page ... (Many other threads on the EA forums) --Ajwittenburg (talk) 18:46, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * We can't use forum posts as a source for anything - we can only include if it has been covered by mainstream gaming publications (or non-gaming publications) or other reliable sources. Using forum posts would be, in effect, original research. – Toon 16:18, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Question
Does anyone have a problem with a list of how to do celebrations/moves/etc? Doc Quintana (talk) 16:16, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I have a problem with it. Wikipedia is not a game guide, and the celebrations and skill moves are all explained in the game itself. This would be a pointless addition to this article. – PeeJay 17:18, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Sigh...Ok, saves me some time I suppose. Doc Quintana (talk) 00:40, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Dude, clearly wikipedia isn't the place to discuss. Join EA fifa forums to ask these questions: http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/fifa-series/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.248.1 (talk) 01:00, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
 * They're not particularly helpful, and there's no problem in discussing things on talk pages. Doc Quintana (talk) 18:40, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

I have a question! Why is the Goal Keepers IQ that of a peanut?? EVERYTIME there is a break away he comes of his line and can be lobbed with ease!! --2.97.18.126 (talk) 09:52, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Stadia
Where do you find the place to edit the stadium names? Yes, I know this is Wikipedia and I was just wondering. Antoinefcb (talk) 19:49, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
 * All that's listed is the Stadia title. You could if you wish add the stadium names under that heading. ToxicWasteGrounds (talk) 18:14, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * ToxicWasteGrounds, I believe Antoinefcb is asking how to change the stadium names in the game itself. – PeeJay 20:29, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, if it is for a team whose real stadium is not listed in the game then in the same section you can select squads on the menu, you can just select a stadium and name it. This is for certain on the X360/PS3 editions but I'm unsure about the others. I apologise for my misunderstanding. Toxic  Waste  Grounds  15:12, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Achievement List
I'm guessing it probably wouldn't meet the MOS, but I figured i'd ask here, having a list of virtual pro achievements within this game would be interesting. Doc Quintana (talk) 18:37, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * No, it wouldn't. Wikipedia is not a game guide, so listing things like that is inappropriate. – PeeJay 18:57, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Didn't think so. Glad I asked. Doc Quintana (talk) 19:00, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Lists or not lists ?
I have recently been involved in a controversy with some few editors, who often delete the national teams list. Well, I´d like you let me know why other lists (club leagues, soundtracks, stadiums) are showed in the page. If an encyclopedic article should be written in prose as Wikipedia states, why certain lists are tolerated and others not? This is clearly contradictory. I hope some of the editors who continously delete national teams can give a consistent explanation about this. Otherwise, I think that ALL the list should be removed from this page, with no exceptions. Fma12 (talk) 16:52, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * We have already been through this on your talk page. If you don't like the current guidelines, take it up at WT:VG/GL. But it's been done before, so I wouldn't expect anything to change.  Mi re ma re   20:45, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I´m sorry for you, but as you said before, "a list in the list" and this page is full of lists: stadiums, leagues, why not national teams? Your explanations are not convincing, because you're who don´t follow them. So I think national teams should be in the page, as leagues and soundtracks as well. Fma12 (talk) 22:04, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Because international football isn't the main focus of the game - domestic football is. Not to mention that a list of leagues is relatively short, whereas a list of national teams is not only of questionable relevance, but also very long. The soundtrack is there because it always gets a proper separate album release. Those are the only two lists, there's no stadiums or anything else. It isn't a question of listing everything or listing nothing, it's a question of drawing the line in the right place. I'm not the only editor that has reverted this and other lists, so like I said, please take it to the relevant guideline page for further input if you disagree. But see also the FIFA 11 list discussion if you haven't already.  Mi re ma re   23:33, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

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