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GAYMER FLAG
I am a self-identified gaymer, and I've never heard of such a flag. The movement, while gaining momentum rapidly, is far too fledgling to have adopted any universal symbols. And if we did I sure as hell wouldn't pick something as ugly as that!
 * The flag was created by a poster on the Gamer's Experimentations forums named "Istr" in mid-August in response to a thread about gay pride flags in general (the thread itself can be found here: http://gamers.experimentations.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=8443). It is by no means an official flag, nor has it been voted on by the community to represent them.  The image (and subsequent article which I suspect will me merged with the primary Gaymer article) was uploaded by user:Kackisback, who is is not an official representative of the community, just a member like us.  I kinda like the flag (think the cherry is cute), but if enough people disagree with it, I suppose it could be taken down.  I suggest a discussion on either this page or an appropriate forum would be in order, though. Nall 05:31, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm concern about the WP:V aspect of including the flag in the article, even under a more appropriate title like proposed Gaymer flag. The forum you cited wouldn't hold weight as reliable source (at least not on it's own). Agne 16:43, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

I'd agree that there needs to be an official symbol chosen. I started a thread on GamEx here to address the issue. Oh, and btw, in fairness, I'm not an official representative of the gaymer community, but then again, well... there's no such thing as an official representative of the gaymer community. Kackisback 04:51, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

WP:NOT Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought. This started out as a joke on GamersEX. This is not notable even within the small gaymer community. It doesn't really belong here. --Pinkkeith 15:24, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

There isn't going to be a universal symbol for gaymers anytime soon. We pretty much exist in the scattered worlds of internet forums. There would be no way to "vote" on such a thing even if we wanted to. Not to mention this flag stinks! As a proud gaymer, I vote to get rid of the flag. If in the future a more universal (and better designed) symbol or flag rises to the top of our little subculture and is agreed upon by most people, I would love to see such a thing on this article, but not until then.

Dictionary
This article isn't encyclopedic at all. Not only are "gaymers" not a united or even loosely constructed group of people it's difficult for most to even agree on the logo this group requires to express it's difference(s).

IMO, this is just a case of WP:NOT ZBrannigan 23:22, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed, why do we have this? Mglovesfun (talk) 23:51, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Because the article is not in the same status that it was in March 2007. (neither is the topic, BTW). Diego (talk) 04:48, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Trademark
On April 23rd, 2007 A trademark application (Serial Number 77162857) was filed with the United States Patent and Trademark Office: http://www.uspto.gov/main/trademarks.htm. for the Word Mark "GAYMER" on behalf of Chris Vizzini, (the founder of Gaymer.org) claiming First Use of the term as of as of May 26th 2003.


 * Word Mark GAYMER - Goods and Services IC 042. US 100 101. G & S: Computer services, namely, creating an online community for registered users to participate in competitions, showcase their skills, get feedback from their peers, form virtual communities, engage in social networking and improve their talent; Computer services, namely, hosting and maintaining an online website for others to discuss, receive and disseminate information concerning video games; Computer services, namely, hosting on-line web facilities for others for organizing and conducting online meetings, gatherings, and interactive discussions. FIRST USE: 20030526.

Assuming the Trademark is granted the term "Gaymer" would no longer be a generic term. Control of who uses the term Gaymer, could well fall to the sole owner of the trademark. GaymerEquality 18:49, 3 May 2007 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by GaymerEquality (talk • contribs) 18:46, 3 May 2007 (UTC).

Gay gaming
I haven't been in here in a while to check this out, but I just noticed that gaymer was redirected to "gay gaming." I never heard any call homosexuals who like to play video games as "gay gaming." Yet, I have heard and read the term gaymer before. I would suggest that this redirected back to gaymer. --Pinkkeith 20:17, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Just video games?
What about RPG? Isn't there a fairly large community of RPG gaymers? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 21:11, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I do agree with you that the term is also used for RPG gaymers as well, but there hasn't been any published information about that as there has been on video gaymers. --Pinkkeith 13:40, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Chilean Troll on this Article
A person from Chile, edit this article []. His name is Vivito, and he was banned from the site http://www.retrogames.cl He is only a troll, who wants to cause confrontation between two sites:

http://www.retrogames.cl and http://www.atariware.cl

Neither Retrogames or Atariware are Gay Gaming Sites.

Please correct the information, this article it's been used to attack a web page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.68.28.58 (talk • contribs)

Stupid question
This may be a stupid question, but I have never been into gaming so I'm basically clueless. Why aren't there any homosexually-oriented erotic or pornographic games? Seeing that pornography in general, including gay porn, is so prevalent, I would expect there to be a hungry (horny..) market for games that was sexually explicit and arousing. __meco (talk) 13:05, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Right now straight pornography most likely outnumbers gay pornography, and the amount of pornographic games really isn't that great in the first place... right? 72.199.100.223 (talk) 06:10, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Sourcing and external links and notability
The content of the article needs to be supported by reliable third party sources. Also, the external links to "gaymer" sites is inappropriate both within the article (see the reliable sources link above) and external links WP:EL. Active Banana    (bananaphone  20:52, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * In addition the current sourcing that comes closest to meeting the requirements, in my opinion does not support sufficient content to merit a stand alone article WP:N - it appears to be one journalist reprinting his article in mulitple local gay papers and based solely on the fact that two graduate student students have done their studies on the topic. Active  Banana    (bananaphone  20:56, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Sites descriptions
Per WP:PRESERVE I bring here an old revision describing the linked gaymer sites, for the interested reader and just in case some Wikipedian can rescue it with sources. Diego (talk) 21:01, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Though few actively maintained gaymer-related websites exist, their presence on the internet has expanded in the small time they have been open to the public. The origins of such webpages can be attributed to need for gaymers to discuss their views and opinions on various topics in a gay-friendly environment, without fear of being chastised due to their sexuality. It is important to note that a "gaymer" website does not entail that it will contain homosexual material or images, rather, it almost exclusively contains information on the games themselves.

Gamer's Experimentations remains one of the longest-running gaymer oriented websites. First opened in September 11, 2002 the page prides itself mostly on its expansive messageboards, while offering a good deal of game-related news information on the main page. Members of the page tend to be very active, often planning and organizing gatherings for various events in both the gaming community, such as PAX and the now-defunct E3, and the gay community, such as Pride and Folsom Street Fair. Some members have even organized personal parties, attracting members as far away as the UK. The site was initially meant as an umbrella of sites with a "gay twist to them", the first of which being a gaming site which to this day remains the only channel on the site. Though there was an "Anime experimentations" site planned, it never saw the light of day.

Gaymer.org, which opened in August 2003, offers videgame-related news and information along with a community messageboard. According to the webmaster, the website came about as an alternative to the typical gaming community, which is known to contain a number of staunchly homophobic practitioners. In addition to a number of gaming reviews and articles, the website also contains information on vintage videogames and consoles, particularly those made by Atari.

GayGamer.net, the most recent addition to field, has garnered a great deal of a attention for its list of Top 20 Gayest Video Game Characters. The blog formatted site posts daily not only on gay content within video games, but more broadly on content of interest to the gay gaming community.

A Gaymer, is still just a Gamer!
Do we need this article at all? I mean, do we really need to know about people's sexual orientation in video games? Maybe if it was the Portrayal of gays in video games (similar to the Portrayal of women in video games article), I might understand but isn't it no different, to say, the currently debated Girl gamer article? Wheather your a Boy, Girl, Man, Woman, Gay, Straight, Alien or even a Leprechaun and say someone coined a term with whatever you are with the word "Gamer", aren't we still, in the end, all Gamers? The Gamer article already mentions the term "Gaymer" anyway, so (in my opinion) its not needed at all. What do we think MIGHTY GAMERS!? :P AnimatedZebra (talk) 17:43, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The key issue in Wikipedia is if there is coverage in reliable secondary sources. This and this by the same writer cover the issues, but the term gaymer doesn't seem particularly well attested in google scholar, books and news. Perhaps it should be merged into LGBT themes in video games.VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 05:52, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I understand your thought here and it really isn't that well represented in scholarly works right now, but it's presence is increasing steadily as it becomes a more acceptable topic of study and research. There's a small section in LGBT themes in video games that talks about marketing to the gay community, but that's not quite the same as having an article dedicated to the idea of gaymer itself.  Further, I would argue that gaymer isn't a theme found in videogames but rather a designation of the population that plays them, and as such shouldn't be included in a themes page.Amcorbe (talk) 21:29, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Relevance
I know is very unlikely that this article gets deleted, but articles like this is the reason why Wikipedia is so bloated with ridicule and nonsensical articles. This has got to be among the stupidest, irrelevant, un-encyclopedic and plain embarrassing article or piece of writing that I have ever seen. I would love to delete it but I know a bunch of gay teens will gang up on me so why waste my time. -- Camilo S&aacute;nchez Talk to me 22:20, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I disagree. It could use more and better documentation but it is a social group that is rising in self-identification and is underrepresented in the mainstream culture.  It's concerns are valid, and deleting the page would likely get more than gay teens to respond.  Further, it is an area of study for queer, cultural, and feminist theorists, so I don't see validity to your claims that it is stupid and irrelevant.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amcorbe (talk • contribs) 17:37, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

I think the term "gaymer" is completely devoid of any encyclopedic relevance. People identifying with that word are simply gamers who happen to be homosexual, and "gaymer" in and of itself is just a tag which doesn't convey any additional meaning or distinct identity. Despite having a community which identifies with it, a meaningless tag is just a meaningless tag. From my point of view, considering the term "gaymer" to have any encyclopedic relevance is akin to having Wikipedia have an entry for any made-up portmanteau there is.

A better, published study
Found here. Diego (talk) 21:53, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

More references

 * Putting the Gay in Games: Cultural Production and GLBT Contentin Video Games. Adrienne Shaw. University of Pennsylvania’s Annenberg School for Communication


 * Talking to Gaymers. Adrienne Shaw

Adrienne Shaw has a track of peer-reviewed papers and disertations, such as this one. They should probably included in the article, counting them as a single reliable source (i.e. the same publisher) for notability. Diego (talk) 10:41, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

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