Talk:Kirby's Return to Dream Land

Just A Rumor
I heard a rumor that the title may be "Kirby: Pop Star Adventures" Hollywoodd 22:27, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Why is "Kirby" the tentative title?
Last I remember, it was "Kirby Adventure". 208.101.148.128 17:00, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The only time it has ever been called that has been by IGN, last I checked. Nintendo of Japan's website's upcoming games list has continually listed the game as "Hoshi no Kirby", which has always been the base title of all of Kirby's main games in Japan. Disaster Kirby 18:39, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS GAME?!
What is taking Nintendo and HAL so long to make this game? Have they canceled it? Or has it gone Vaporware? I'm just so confused! Link 486 14:22, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Oi, it was mentioned at this year's E3 in a news article (although I don't believe anything about it was shown), so apparently it isn't dead just quite yet. D i saster K i rbyTalk 14:42, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Title
Since it may be for Gamecube is it right to call it Kirby (Wii)?Claycrow 13:45, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It can't be for GameCube, because Nintendo has stopped making games for it. Plus, Nintendo Power doesn't list "Kirby" as as upcoming GameCube game anymore (let alone any GameCube games at all?), and Nintendo of Japan only lists "Hoshi no Kirby" as a Wii title. D i saster K i rbyTalk 15:21, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Read the last paraghaph of the article.Claycrow 15:15, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Release
I'm totally confused about this. Cassamina confirmed this title was going to launch this month, but we don't have any information about the game, nor did we put the launch date. Why??? --Mr.Mario 192 (talk) 17:56, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Becuase Mr. Cassamina was wrong.67.149.107.82 (talk) 02:59, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

When is it going to launch then???? --Mr.Mario 192 (talk) 04:12, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

This game is CANCELLED.
I emailed Nintendo of America about the status of this game, and got this response:

Face it guys; Kirby is as dead as Project HAMMER. JesseMeza (talk) 06:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

On the Nintendo Australia site it says the game is for Gamecube and the release date is TBC. It doesn't mention anything about a Wii version. However, it was last updated on March 8, 2006... so it's probably wrong and you're probably right. M4192 (talk) 22:37, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Wait a minute here, how do you know this game is cancelled????? First of all, it's not OFFICIAL, in other words, they didn't specifically said it. They just said they don't "plan" to launch in any system. Secondly, (I know this may seem strange)NOA is not a reliable source due to the fact that the game was proposed to be held responsible by Nintendo EAD. The game could start development later, since Sakurai is actually busy on Brawl, posting updates every weekday. And about Ask Nintendo, it's also not a reliable source. They could have totally forgotten about this game and could pass wrong information. And when she explained about the system to go see on the site about news, information, and release dates, could that be some kind or hint??? Or just some information wasted to fill the letter??? I don't know but it's still speculation to say something like that all of the sudden. --Mr.Mario 192 (talk) 04:24, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

To back up Mr Mario, the Ask Nintendo section of ONM has a bad habit of being wrong. Only a few months ago it said there were no new DS colours coming to Europe in the near future, and lo and behold there are three being released this very month! They've actually removed it from their magazine now as part of a re-vamp last issue! SpinachPuffs (talk) 19:33, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello? We're in 2009! Update? I e-mailed them again. -supermonkey Jasonxu98 (talk) 01:36, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Why should we update, if we already said they are from an unreliable source. --Mr.Mario 192 (talk) 20:03, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * They still have it planned for release in Japan..--Sgtcook (talk) 23:10, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

made in america
will this be the first Kirby game produced only in japan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.89.130.174 (talk) 16:37, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Kirby no Kirakira Kizzu is the only Kirby game not released outside of Japan, so far. This game (the one that is only titled "Kirby" so far), though, has been announced for Europe and may well be released in the U.S. Tommy11111 (talk) 00:02, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Vaporware?
Should it be labeled as such?--75.85.111.141 (talk) 15:30, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Should it?--75.85.111.141 (talk) 15:05, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No. Other games have been in development for years before they were shown - Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker and Phantom Hourglass, most notably, were announced before the DS was out, and came out in 2007. - A Link to the Past (talk) 00:08, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

New Power?
"Kirby also used a new attack system, which allowed Kirby to ride on the backs of up to three other characters. " That's not new. That's a system that was seen in Kirby's Dream Land 2 and 3.

Granted, if the game is cancelled, as I saw in the discussion, not really a big deal to change it, just thought I'd say something. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Polantaris (talk • contribs) 06:41, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Release Date and Title?
Does anyone have a source on that name put in the VG Box, "Kirby: Legend of the Stars"? (Yes, it does sounds like a Kirby name, but there's no source...) And also, Japan says December 19th? Did someone find this information elsewhere or did they just slap that here to confuse us all? 76.175.116.65 (talk) 19:58, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Up For Deletion?
This game has a lot of uncertainty floating around it. I don't want to say we should put it up for deletion now, but unless it shows up at E3 this year, I'm beleiving it's canceled. 68.38.169.29 (talk) 22:14, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

If you read the article, you would notice that they confirmed that the game exists. On the Nintendo master plan of games that launch in Japan this year, this game is mentioned. Even if it doesn´t appear on E3, we will not put the article up for deletion. --Mr.Mario 192 (talk) 13:41, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't take that as confirmation. All other signs for this game have flat-lined except for its name on a list that could have been a mistake in the first place. I agree with the anonymous user up there. If nothing is said about this game's status by E3, delete this thang! POWERSLAVE TALK/CONT 04:56, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Listen, we should only put up for deletion if Nintendo clarifies if the game is cancelled or if the master plan with Kirby Wii was just a mistake. Even if Nintendo wouldn´t show on E3, you still have to show proofs of its status. Look, we got something that indicates it exists in the master plan, you should have something to disproove this to put this article for deletion. Until then, this article will not be touched. --Mr.Mario 192 (talk) 11:49, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Well it wasnt at e3--142.167.69.167 (talk) 04:42, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Um, this game is still going. NCL's report stated that "Hoshi no Kirby" (literally Kirby of the Stars) is to come out this year. (Source:http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2009/090731e.pdf) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.15.141.150 (talk) 19:15, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

just a thought
though this proves nothing, the fact that the anime is re-airing in america and the game is planned to be released in the fall to me is a bit suspicious. once again, just a thought so please don't go saying: IT IS BEING RELEASED IN FALL IN JAPAN NOT AMERICA AND THE ANIME IS ONLY RE-AIRING IN AMERICA!!! THE 2 ABSOLUTELY ARE NOT RELATED!--- there's something called consturctive crtiscim if you want to critcize me.


 * The article doesn't say anything about a release date outside Japan. Digitelle (talk) 22:41, 15 September 2009 (UTC)


 * This is fan speculation, so we have to keep it out of the article... Still, man, WTF, Nintendo? I've been psyched for this game forever. Kirby's Adventure and Kirby Super Star defined my childhood (well, NES & SNES-wise, anyway), but all you keep doing is sequel after sequel of Mario and Metroid. The Kirby fans - as well as the F-Zero and Star Fox fans, I'm sure - have been waiting hungrily for this game, and you just ignore them. Super Star Ultra? I want a new game... Please don't turn this into Duke Nukem Forever, Nintendo. Kirby's better than that, and you know it.
 * Ranting aside (sorry, but I've been waiting forever and any conclusive word on it would just make me happy), the tentative release schedule a while back listed it in 2009. Now, this may be crazy talk, but Super Mario Galaxy and Metroid: Other M were both "TBA" or "2010" (depending on what region you looked under). This gives me some hope that Nintendo's going to announce it soon and release it to help fill the game between now and those "big-name" titles. After all, Kirby games are seldom shown early in development. The last three releases came out not long before they were announced. There's still time... Then again, I'm an inherently naive person. I also believe Project Needlemouse will redeem the last decade of Sonic. 208.101.151.233 (talk) 05:10, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

March 20, 2010 release date?
Apparently, GameFAQs listed Kirby as having a March 20, 2010 release date. There aren't any other sources which state this, and I don't even see it on GameFAQs anymore. Should it be changed to TBA 2010? Tehaura (talk) 22:01, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * If it has not been done then obviously yes. The odds of a game by a major company being released a in a little more than a month without even a formal announcement is so low that it is not even worth considering.--76.69.171.240 (talk) 04:12, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

still being made for the GameCube
It was never officially announced that it would be release for the Wii instead of the GameCube.--FifthCylon (talk) 17:16, 30 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Nintendo has announced that they are no longer developing for the GameCube. The only active consoles are Wii, DS, DS Lite, DS XL, DSi and I think GBA. BOVINEBOY 2008 ) 14:13, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

How can Epic Yarn be the same game?
Kirby GCN looked promising, without any gimmicks other than 4 player. Epic Yarn (is that the final subtitle?)... Well. It's almost entirely different. Looks more like a successor to Kirby's Dream Land 3. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if this has more in common with the Shimomura series than the Sakurai titles. But can this really be the same game? This seems like a whole new game rather than just an "Okami pre and post-release" job. 173.77.75.154 (talk) 20:06, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree. Where is the source connecting the Kirby game that was in development in 2005, to Kirby's Epic Yarn now in 2010? This reminds me of when everyone thought the 2002 game Super Mario Sunshine was the finalized version of Super Mario 128, originally announced in 1997. I don't think the connection between these two Kirby games should just be assumed. Fezmar9 (talk) 00:55, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't know how to edit stuff on here or anything, but this obviously didn't spawn off of the Kirby GCN game, and I believe the information in the introductory paragraph and the development section is misleading. Just my two cents. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.163.8.249 (talk) 04:25, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeah this could pose a problem in the future if another game is revealed that looks exactly like the E3 2005 trailer (for example the recently announced Kirby game for the Nintendo 3DS might be the old GameCube game). SNS (talk) 00:19, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * While I'm not advocating that they are one in the same, if this game was canned in favour of turning it into this, then it would still be considered a part of its development history. I don't think that Kirby Wii [as it was] has enough to sustain itself, and would be of more relevance here than anywhere else. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 04:38, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, there was no recently announced 3D Kirby game. It was part of a trailer, and trailers frequently use familiar imagery from their properties. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 04:39, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

This article definitely is written in a way that implies that the Kirby GCN game became Kirby's Epic Yarn. And I really doubt that when apparently Epic Yarn is being made by Good Feel. And it looks and plays nothing like the game in that trailer. Unless there's any evidence for it, it should really be rewritten. Mentioning the cancelled game is fine (see Sam & Max for example), but they aren't the same. --Impossible (talk) 11:13, 17 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, I agree that it should be reworded. It's worth to note that this page is based on the page about the old GCN/Wii game we've seen trailers of, and since Epic Yarn has only been known of for a day, the article will probably improve over time, no? ~FireyFly tc 13:50, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Images
There are screenshots to be found here. I'm guessing using one of those screenshots would qualify as fair use, to illustrate the article and the unique art style of the game? (Just want a confirmation before snatching one of them.) ~FireyFly tc 07:12, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Linking to Japanese article
There's a Japanese article for the game at http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirby%27s_Epic_Yarn. The article currently links to the article of the original Kirby game that was announced for GameCube and then moved over to Wii. Erik10081989 13:19, 27 June 2010

Is it cancelled or not?
This article contradicts itself. The title claims the game was cancelled, but later, near the end, it says that Nintendo said the game is STILL IN DEVELOPMENT. Is the game cancelled or not?! I'm sorry, but having a major contradiction like that is stupid. Someone needs to fix this. (I'd fix it by changing this article's title back to Kirby (Wii) and placing it back in the main series section, but I'm not sure how to do that, yes, I know, I'm a noob.) VGman —Preceding undated comment added 03:33, 24 October 2010 (UTC).

Un-canceled?! Take a look.
http://www.nintendoeverything.com/59896/

What do you make of this? If not the same game, it certainly looks inspired by it. Though there's no sign of the Helper system so far, Kirby seems to have "Smash Ball-esque" attacks. 144.80.155.182 (talk) 15:35, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Good chance that this is the same game. If by some chance it is not we can split them later.--76.66.180.54 (talk) 03:04, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Kirby DS 2011
I also heard there was a Kirby game releasing for the Nintendo DS totally different from this one that has you playing as 10 Kirbys at once. 68.205.80.248 (talk) 22:30, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

There is one for the Nintendo DS called Kirby Mass Attack. AnimalCrossingCool (talk) 01:42, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Separation
I think that this page and the 2005 kirby game should be separated because they in no way are really similar besides 3d graphics, its not even the same engine.--108.56.156.80 (talk) 23:17, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * This game is the same as Kirby (2011 video game) for Wii, the fact that the game engine are not the same is pointless, a lot of games starts with a game engine and then ends totally different, see Duke Nukem Forever for instance. The fact is that the new game for the Wii doesn't start from scratch, but used all the assets and the ideas of this old game. --87.8.245.179 (talk) 20:38, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * This article should be merged into Kirby 2011's article at some point in the future under it's development section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.16.206.28 (talk) 17:22, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Is that a fact...? I don't think any official connection has been stated. 173.52.244.75 (talk) 17:17, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * An official connection may never be made, but it is similar in concept and design. For all intents and purposes, it's the future 3D Kirby game, and any past 3D Kirby Game prototypes would share a common history. There's zero way it is not related, as it is all in-house at Nintendo and they would not throw away a previously designed game and start over on this one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.16.206.28 (talk) 02:07, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Renaming the Article
Here's a new trailer for the game. Also, it's been named "Kirby Wii," so the title of this article should be change in suit. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WHgNh1Iedg&feature=player_embedded) --207.233.31.37 (talk) 02:24, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Someone in the comments mentions the song between this and GCN Kirby being similar. This should be more proof that it is the same game. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.16.206.28 (talk) 02:09, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * There's a reference from GameSpot calling it Kirby Wii, so there's no need for that guesswork. Diego Moya (talk) 13:33, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It has actually now been renamed to Kirby Returns to Dreamland. Here's a source .--76.66.188.209 (talk) 21:15, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Common misspelling... It's Dream Land. Not Dreamland. As the writers of the article got their news verbally, this mistake is understandable. 173.77.102.252 (talk) 06:48, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Now called Kirby: Return To Dream Land, can't find how to change the article name.
 * Do you have a source? --ThomasO1989 (talk) 19:05, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry: http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=158930 ; Kirby wikia already has the correct name — Preceding unsigned comment added by Project-79 (talk • contribs) 04:12, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Apparently NOT the same game as the canceled 2005 Kirby game for Nintendo GameCube?
According to this Japanese interview which I've seen being linked to, Kirby's Return to Dream Land is the fourth game in a series of attempts of HAL Laboratories creating a Kirby home console game. The canceled 2005 GameCube game was merely the first attempt, and although Return to Dream Land re-uses a lot of the elements present from the "Kirby GCN/Wii" trailer(s) (like this one), from what I'm gathering, the interview suggests that the canceled game and Return to Dream Land are NOT one and the same but rather two distinct games that are very similar in design and concept...

Source: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/interview/sukj/vol1/index.html Ktsune (talk) 21:59, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I saw about that same link... but I think we such wait until the interview is released on Iwata Asks in English. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 23:23, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Is Wikipedia still spouting misinformation that it's the same as the GameCube title? It's the FOURTH attempt at a 3D console platformer since 64, the three others were unreleased! I remember when Wikipedia used to be awesome when it came to game information. Now it's just so ethnocentric. 144.80.137.209 (talk) 18:10, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

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