Talk:List of Valve games

This list is incorrect
This list is incorrect. These are games published by Valve but not developed by valve. Valve did not develop Counter-strike they simply bought it from two highschool students and then took over afterwards around version 1.4 and forward. This list is incorrect and needs to be corrected. I am disputing the contents of this article. - Jason

I've taken out the following games which were developed by Gearbox.--Sloane (talk) 12:52, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


 * 1999
 * Half-Life: Opposing Force


 * 2001
 * Half-Life: Blue Shift

Left 4 Dead 3
If someone who added Left 4 Dead 3 to the 'In development' section used this article as a source then I have to disappoint you: That article is just a mock which makes fun of the early announcement of L4D2. So, at this moment, I think L4D3 should be removed from the list of in development games. --GVilKa (talk) 08:36, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Portal 2
Portal 2 is no longer a rumor - see this —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.90.79.180 (talk) 05:41, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

List Order
The list order of this seems counter-intuitive. I wanted to see how long it had been since Valve released a game, and organizing the list by franchise rather than chronologically made it very difficult to find that information. The list of games published by Ninendo doesn't organize things this way, so I think there's something of a precedent for organizing these things chronologically. Should it be changed? 209.133.7.249 (talk) 04:52, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

MISSING GAME!
Black mesa is missing from the list — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.180.113.59 (talk) 19:11, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Valve doesn't develope Black Mesa. -- ferret (talk) 21:38, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Half-Life 2: Epsiode Three
I do not think Half-Life 2: Episode Three should be in the list of cancelled games. I mean, look at this, for example. And on this article you can find a lot of information regarding the future of the Half-Life series. Torr3 (talk) 23:33, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I actually agree with this, we don't know if it was ever cancelled, and will (probably still for long) be a running meme. Then, however, it does not fit under released games as, well, it was not released, and we don't know when or if it will. Should there be vapoware section, or what should we do? Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 05:49, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
 * It's been nearly 10 years since it was supposed to release, with Valve saying pretty much nothing regarding it or the series since. While they never officially canceled it, it's clearly vaporware. ~ Dissident93  ( talk ) 05:46, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I've renamed the section to "Unreleased games" which is more accurate. Also if you have any more comments for improvement or would like to support the FL-nom, then there is an ongoing review Featured list candidates/List of Valve Corporation video games/archive1. --The1337gamer (talk) 08:11, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Congratulations on the Featured List! D ARTH B OTTO talk • cont 08:14, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Garrys Mod
Garry's Mod was published by Valve, it should be on the list? Also, CS Nexon was neither developed nor published by Valve, why is that one on there? 2A02:908:F35B:4FC0:BD66:1536:F778:8480 (talk) 09:38, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Counter-Strike Nexon: Zombies is based on the famous first-person shooter series and is made by Korean company Nexon in collaboration with Valve. It's free-to-play and is set for a western launch on Steam during the third quarter of 2014. "Today we are announcing the latest creation from Nexon in the Counter-Strike world, one that builds upon years of success in developing CS Online for Asia," said Valve's Doug Lombardi. "This title showcases that work in new, zombie, and classic form." from . This indicates that Valve has involvement with the game. They don't have to have explicitly developed or published it to be on this list. I'll add Garry's Mod in a bit. --The1337gamer (talk) 11:05, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I elaborated on 2A02's date change of L4D's date change, as Eurogamer seemed to be the only source supporting that particular date, with Steam underlining it.
 * Fine with me. Eurogamer and GameSpot both list November 18. Most likely just a timezone thing. --The1337gamer (talk) 11:47, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, I'm not to keen about HL2 Deathmatch's date as listed here: GameSpot changes their article publication dates when text in it is updated (ragardless if it is just typofxing or an actual content update), so December 1 as taken from the article date might not be accurate. PC Gamer talks about "its arrival two weeks after Half-Life 2's mid-November 2004 launch". Steam listing also says November 2004, so this might need a look-into.
 * Two weeks after Half-Life 2's release date is December 1. --The1337gamer (talk) 11:47, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Lastly, Half-Life Deathmatch: Source is missing from the list alongside the above-said Garry's Mod. Steam listing says May [1,] 2006 (the 1 can be a placeholder if only the month is given). Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 11:36, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Half-Life Deathmatch: Source isn't missing. It's part of Half-Life: Source. It's not a separate game and you can't purchase it separately. Valve just have separate packages for the single- and multiplayer components. --The1337gamer (talk) 11:47, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Does the two games only being purchasable together, or rather the DM part being free with the purchase of the main game, really mean they are the same game? They are playable seperately from each other, and they released two years apart. Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 11:57, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes. Other games on Steam separate their single-player and multiplayer components into different packages (Call of Duty, Rising Storm). They just don't have separate store pages because it's confusing for customers. Source is literally a remake of Half-Lifes campaign component and Deathmatch: Source is literally a remake of Half-Lifes deathmatch component. --The1337gamer (talk) 12:12, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
 * From what I recall, DM Source is a remake of Deathmatch Classic, which we also list seperately. Given your Rising Storm example, it is also secluded as its own game from its SP counterpart, Red Orchestra 2. Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 12:22, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Have you played Deathmatch Classic? I have and it's is not the same game at all. DM Classic is a basically a remake of Quake deathmatch in GoldSrc. It's plays nothing like Half-Life Deathmatch or Half-Life Deathmatch Source. I actually meant Red Orchestra 2, not Rising Storm. Red Orchestra 2 has separate single-player and multiplayer packages just like Call of Duty. Rising Storm was basically a revamped standalone multiplayer that modders made and included all the content from Red Orchestra 2's multiplayer. --The1337gamer (talk) 12:32, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Half-Life Source: Port or Remaster
Sorry for my late response. "Port" implies the same general game, yes. Half-Life: Source is the same game as Half-Life, just ported from Goldsource to Source. It is an entirely new engine, but I don't think you can call it an updated version with remastered graphics because most differences the player sees are pretty insignificant. There are minor changes to some textures/models, an improved water shader, reflectivity on certain objects, a realtime menu background, and (somewhat) more advanced physics. That sounds like a lot but it's really almost 1:1 identical. Wouldn't that be what a port is? It's simply the same game on another system. Pinsplash (talk) 06:38, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The video game industry (and the media who covers it) use a lot of these terms interchangeably, which adds to the confusion. Personally, I'd just considered it a port, as it's the most neutral, non-misleading term that I can think of for the game. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 06:55, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * It was always referred to as a port, and Valve's stated purpose was to demonstrate the ease of porting from GoldSrc to Source. It used the same assets as the original game. -- ferret (talk) 13:52, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * "Half-Life: Source is a digitally remastered version of the critically acclaimed and best selling PC game, enhanced via Source technology to include physics simulation, enhanced effects, and more.". It's no less a remaster than something like Dark Souls or Last of Us which are basically identical to their original versions. -- The1337gamer (talk) 15:20, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Aperture Hand Lab
Please add: https://store.steampowered.com/app/868020/Aperture_Hand_Lab/. 2A02:908:1013:C540:E4DD:4179:10EF:96DA (talk) 18:03, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Looks like it's another VR tech demo, which probably is better off having its own section as Valve have produced a few of these over the last few years. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 20:04, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Valve Games
History

In 1996 Valve was founded by Gabe Newell and also Mike Harrington. The main portion of the company was founded by Newell due to his previous 10 years working to help develop Microsoft. The first game in production for Valvue was the new and original game Half-Life. which would later be known to become one of the greatest game series to ever be sold. The development of this game would later lead to a new source engine known as GoldSrc. Which was used to create Half-Life 2. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swiftgamers (talk • contribs) 21:46, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Are you proposing this to be added? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 00:07, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Similarly confused. This is not suitable for the article either way though, and has incorrect statements. -- ferret (talk) 01:35, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

What counts as a Valve game and missing games
What exactly counts as a Valve game? Does Valve needs to be the game's developer, or it needs to be the game's publisher? I think this question should be answered in the beggining of the article. Below is the list of all games that were developed and/or published by Valve, but are not in this list.

--Mr. PouLS (talk) 11:17, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Half-Life Deathmatch: Source (Half-Life Deathmatch Source port and independent game on Steam developed and published by Valve)
 * Portal: Still ALive (developed by Valve and We Create Stuff, published by Valve)
 * Aperture Hand Lab (virtual reality game developed by Cloudhead Games and published by Valve)
 * It's both, developed or published (Though I'm not a fan of that, it's widely done) -- ferret (talk) 12:40, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * We do try to segregate games published but not developed by Valve - eg see Gearbox Software - as long as we can verify the dev + publisher roles. --M asem (t) 12:48, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

List of Valve games should only include games Valve actually developed / published
Games like Counter-Strike Neo and Counter-Strike Online do not belong in the list as they were developed by third-party companies. Same goes with Half-Life: Opposing Force and Half-Life: Blue Shift, their Steam store pages only lists Gearbox Software as the developer: Please sound out if you have are against this as other game company wiki pages lists games that are developed by them Typhoon966 (talk) 13:01, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Half-Life: Blue Shift
 * Half-Life: Opposing Force


 * I have added back Codename Gordon and Garry's Mod since both of them were actually published by Valve officially. Typhoon966 (talk) 13:22, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Missing Games
This list is missing a couple of games. They are:

Aperture Hand Lab

Artifact Foundry

Counter Strike: Condition Zero Deleted Scenes

Alien Swarm

Portal: Still Alive

& Half-Life Deathmatch Source

This page also does not mention Half-Life Uplink (Its demo from the 90s) or Portal: The First Slice (Its demo).

It seems there are some odd Counter Strike things as well like Counter Strike Neo, Counter Strike Online, and Counter Strike Nexon: Studio. I think having things like those odd Counter Strikes and the half-life/Portal demos in the notes section would be fine IF you don't want to put them in the games section.

Edit: I've gone ahead and added these games.

Thank you. ARandomPedestrian (talk) 02:09, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

They Hunger: Lost Souls
should They Hunger: Lost Souls be on here? valve was going to publish it before black widow shot itself, maybe a section for "unreleased published games" could be useful? 2002:18B1:682E:0:B9B0:2030:A14D:DA34 (talk) 20:09, 31 December 2023 (UTC)