Talk:M. Bison

weight
What's M. Bison's weight? I've checked a few sources, and they all list his weight in kilograms, which is indeed 96 kg. However, 96 kg is only about 212 pounds, not the 254 listed here. Did someone miscalculate, or does some American source cite a weight that isn't a direct conversion? Either way, something should be done about that bit.

English?
The entry says Raul uses a perfect English accent as M Bison... he really doesnt, his accent is American, not English at all. TR_Wolf

american/english is often considered the same. Now if would say british.. then i would complaint.

From small sketches i was able to find out that bisons power was going to be named saiko power... saiko doesnt that mean something like strongest? strongest crusher? Oh btw someone should look at the sketches that where included with the capcom classics collection ps2 ver.
 * You're thinking of "Saikyo" which actually means weak. I think you have it confused with "Psycho".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.183.13.73 (talk) 18:07, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No, "Saikyo" means strongest. That Dan uses it is meant to be ironic. JuJube (talk) 18:20, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Some (hopefully helpful) criticism
I stumbled across this page, which appears to be a detailed & full treatment of its subject. (Whether the subject is worth this much space is an issue I'll cheerfully avoid.) In fact, it could be considered for FA status if some references could be added, just to keep the people who expect those kinds of things happy. But just how does one properly supply sources for a computer or video game character? -- llywrch 16:19, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll take care of that. -ZeroTalk 16:56, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Should we find a picture of Raul Julia, the actor who played M.Bison in the STREET FIGHTER movie??? -Leonida April 7th 2006

In the second paragraph of the storylines section it begins with a comment about Bison's man area. It doesn't really make sense being where it is, not to mention the fact I don't think it's supposed to be there in the first place. I don't want to remove it myself just incase for some strange reason it is supposed to be there though. - Jun 10th, 2006

Quoting the Game?

 * At one point during the movie, Juliá quotes the game with the line "Anyone who opposes me shall be destroyed."

When does Bison say this in Street Fighter II? He only "says" one thing in the original (his winquote) which certainly wasn't that. Is this from his ending in Champion Edition or something? I'm going to remove it; if you know the quote is correct, explain where it is from before restoring it. --Do Not Talk About Feitclub (contributions) 14:38, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, hang on a second. There's no indication who he's quoting. Was that someone else's winquote? --Do Not Talk About Feitclub (contributions) 14:42, 21 February 2006 (UTC)


 * It's from the console version, which has two quotes per character (such as Guile's "Go home and be a family man".) Danny Lilithborne 22:16, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I did not know that. Thank you. Glad I didn't remove it now. --Do Not Talk About Feitclub (contributions) 07:50, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Age?
What's M. Bison's closest age?
 * About 55, I guess...

I'd say that too. Just some useless information I was looking for.

Is it just me...
Or does that picture of Bison from Capcom vs. SNK 2 kinda actually resemble Raul Julia? If it's intentional, it's a nice touch. He was one of the highlights of that movie. SAMAS 02:46, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


 * After the release of the anime-film many of the characters were redesigned to accomidate it. Bison actually looked a lot slimmer in the original in-game graphics, his more bulky build came from the anime (though his in-game mug-shot still had that ugly butt-chin).--HannuMakinen 14:42, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Shin Bison redirects
the street fighter alpha page redirects to M. Bison twice in reference to Shin Bison. this page, however, does not explain the differences between the two. the Akuma page, which has similar redirects, has a Shin Akuma subsection to explain the redirects there. anyone mind adding this? i'm sure it can be inferred that they are similar, but as the reason i discovered this is because i was looking it up myself, i am sure i would do a terrible job if i added it personally. --Skp2y F thorax 10:47, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

That seems like a logical idea. I'll try, but if it gets reverted I'm not going to bother again. Lordnmb 16:07, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Triva Section
Talk about faulty, none of it even Slightly talks about M.Bison. Could somone fix this? Why was his armor changed to metal? It's suppose to be made of silver! There's a reason why Bison made his armor out of this type of alloy due to aborbing more negative energy from fighters through his armor using Psycho Power! "HELLO!" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.138.189.21 (talk) 22:32, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Um, what the heck are you talking about? JuJube (talk) 02:23, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Could I add to that? In his "original" triva section, I had put down unconformed info saying that X's Mega Man X4 Giga Attack, the "Nova Strike," resembled M. Bison's Psycho "lunge" attack. Who removed the trivia section?173.112.215.68 (talk) 00:11, 26 March 2009 (UTC)Zack M.

A couple corrections....
I noticed my two corrections were reversed. One is that Chun-Li didn't defeat Bison, but instead it is the opposite, Bison defeated Chun-Li. Even Chun-Li's entry confirms this.

Two, I added that it was with the help of Ryu that Bison was forced to retreat to the Psycho Drive. Ryu's Wikipedia entry also confirms this.

Also, I think the All About Capcom book confirms both of these as well, so I'm going to add them once again. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ulariel (talk • contribs) 10:24, 7 February 2007 (UTC).

The symbol on Bison's hat trivia
Did anyone notice in World Warrior (And Champion and Hyper fighting) that the symbol on Bison's hat was a star back then? I added a bit of trivia about that. MightyKombat 12:25, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually, your info is incorrect. It was already the Shadaloo insignia in Street Fighter 2 Turbo. In this video you can see his SF2T icon in the beginning. As you can see, Shadaloo insignia.

--Gavin Darkstorn (talk) 17:23, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Console only, and the SNES/Gen ports came out in 1993, after SSF2 was released. - Master Bigode from SRK.o// (Talk) (Contribs) 17:31, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Voilodion There's a reason for that change. Check out the Japanese Wikipedia reference I posted. The hat was actually a reference to an entirely different character. Also check this, specifically the bottom picture:

http://mitleid.cool.ne.jp/vega-washizaki.htm  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.225.174.177 (talk) 18:49, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I may be mistaken, but I do not think that it is proper to cite other Wikipedias as sources. --UberScienceNerd Talk Contributions 01:01, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Voilodion Oops! Thanks for saying something! Even without the Japanese Wikipedia, there are other Japanese articles out there that present the exact same case. If I find one that specifically targets the hat question, I'll post it. The similarities between M. Bison and Yasunori Kato are too damn close to be ignored--I'm not the only one who's bugged by the similarities. Anthony Romero of Toho Kingdom states that Yasunori Kato's design was "undoubtedly" the influence for Vega.

http://www.tohokingdom.com/reviews/romero/tokyo_tlm.htm

Besides...Japanese officers during World War II had stars on their caps. It was a magic symbol (the Doman Seiman) that was rumored to protect officers from bullets. You should be able to find a simple source for that. Even Chinese military officers have stars on their caps for simiilar reasons.

http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/2008/09/08/britain-training-communist-chinese-military-officers/

It just makes sense that M. Bison, being an East Asian conception and a military officer associated with mystical forces, would initially have a star on his cap. But as soon as Capcom created the fictional Shadowloo symbol, they decided to use that instead of the star to mark him as purely their creation.

Though, none of this can be confirmed unless we find an interview with a Capcom executive.

With the name change...
We all know, the real M. Bison is Balrog, who's called Mike Bison. But when the name of M. Bison got switched over, is the M. still supposed to be "Mike"? It's weird calling a guy in a hat with a skull Mike. The Chinchou 18:28, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Well over here, the M in Dictator's name can be construed as "Major", "Master", "Mister", "Max" or a combination of the four. I use Max and Major myself. MightyKombat 19:48, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * There's no official name for the "M." in the American version. JuJube 23:34, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

The Mike Tyson Lawsuit
The section regarding the controversy over the name M. Bison being used in America needs to be rewritten to some degree. There wasn't simply an inherent fear of a lawsuit from Tyson nor it was it because of just one character named "Mike Bison". The "M" in M. Bison stands for Master. The lawsuit was suggested to Tyson because, in the original Street Fighter videogame, there was a character with a similar likeness to Tyson named "Mike". It was only after SFII was released with a second character in the likeness of the boxing champion (This one named M. Bison, or even simply known as Bison) combined with the aforementioned "Mike" from the original SF game that a lawsuit was suggested and may have even been filed due to the fact that "Mike" and "Bison" combined sounds much like "Mike Tyson". These are the facts as recounted in a TV documentary on Tyson's career that aired on ESPN Classic. In any case, the author has his facts wrong and the section needs to be corrected. Thanks, Alan 24.184.184.177 01:05, 27 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, M. Bison (the black boxer) is called "Mike Bison" in Japan. It even says so in the Japanese SF4 site. :p Jonny2x4 (talk) 05:38, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually what you're referring to (THe ESPN Classic special) is purely speculation and closer to ESPN's glancing opinion on the subject than it is to the discussion of the actual game. Moreover, all you've typed and provided here is a lengthier version of the same story, really. The author's facts aren't any more misguided than yours are. The only part of the story we know to be true is that there was a fear of a lawsuit and the names for Vega and M. Bison were switched. Anything else, including what ESPN says is further speculation of the same point. Thanks.

Shin M. Bison
The author lists Shin M. Bison as looking quite different from his counterpart. A picture or two would be nice. There are no videogame screenshots whatsoever right now.

Wasn't him a sort of freak eco-extremist?
Having a philosophy that is a sort of mixture of Sea Shepherd's with Al Qaeda's. I thought I saw that in the anime series. --Extremophile 04:25, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Anime series, non-cannon, case closed. 84.48.123.106 (talk) 11:39, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Bison image
Note that although I have replaced the unsourced profile image, it is just a placeholder until some sort of artwork from Street Fighter IV is released. I am aware that the most recent image of video game characters are what goes in the profile. Johnny fog  01:50, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm....
I haven't played a few of these games, so I'm not quite clear on how Bison appears in some of them. Eep! O_O

If I've gotten anything wrong in the "Games" section (like whether or not Bison is playable or a boss), I'd appreciate if someone fixed it. Johnny fog  19:50, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Animated Movie
It is stated: «M. Bison features prominently in the Japanese anime film Street Fighter II: The Animated Movie, which loosely follows the plot of the video games. A towering figure, Bison is closely modeled from his Street Fighter Alpha incarnation.»

First: the anime was made in 1994 and it followed closely the plot of the videogames (SF1 to SSF2T), the only games that existed at that time. About two years latter, with SF zero 2, [et al.] Capcom decided to retcon many aspects of SF story, so we can't state something like this, because if the article was written just after the release of the movie, everyone was saying that it followed the plot very closely... and some time latter "oh! We were wrong, capcom change it, so it loosely follows the plot after all'. (not to mention that it the reader a erroneous impression of how the movie was made).

Second: Bison is not closely modeled from his SFalpha incarnation. Bison from Alpha (1995) was the one to be modeled from "The Animated Movie" (1994). 217.129.243.193 (talk) 13:49, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Gotcha. Fixed it. If you know of a reference which states what you just said, please give it to me or link it to this article.  Johnny fog   19:19, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * References: All SF games until 1994 only (the year of Animated Movie release) and respective Manuals and ending videos.
 * Unfortunately it's impossible to get a single reference to show this. Actually I had to write a text, full of those little references in its sentences, and publish it on a web site. Only then I could give a reference like that (the website in this case).
 * SF story itself didn't exist before this anime... but the animated movie tried to explore every single theme that appeared in the game and tie them into a story that 90% of it would be used in Alpha (and in latter games):
 * :: - Drugs were based on SF2 game moto winners don't use drugs


 * :: - Sagat's scar story. The link was easily done by them although there wasn't anything written about that in 1994. However it was based on:
 * a) Ryu was SF1 main character (Player1's first choice/first selectable -an only- character) and Sagat, who hadn't a scar in SF1 (but had in SF2), was the SF1's final boss
 * b) Ryu's final sentence also pointed to his victory in SF1 with a shoryuken (shenglong) and also in Super SF Ryu used to performed Hadouken against our computer screen


 * :: - smashing a BMW car (based on SF2 bonus stage)
 * :: - others that I don't remember now


 * On the other hand, characters story was DEFINED and explicit (in those manuals and games) - that's why everyone could see the live action movie (the Vandame's film that was only released 2 months latter) was being loosely based on SF2 (ex: Balrog on the good side, Chun-Li as reporter, Honda as an Hawaiian, etc.). Character's professions, countries, back-story - all those aspects were too well defined in games' manuals and in games' endings. It's true that SF2anime added some unexplored themes (that were latter used in Alpha series and in other SFgames), but never deviated -stayed away- from the little information that existed at that time (they were very careful to not contradict what was already stated in the games).


 * :: Anyway, I'll try to find SF1 and SF2 game manuals, but the reader had to compare manual's story (and game endings) to character's story in SF2anime -in order to confirm this-, which still would not be the perfect (the single) source.84.90.24.156 (talk) 23:07, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Bison's Nationality
Is it Thailand or is it unknown or is it something else I didn't name?Lasttiger (talk) 06:44, 11 June 2008 (UTC) Thanks, is his ethnicity asian,white, or is that also unknown? Lasttiger (talk) 10:03, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Unknown. JuJube (talk) 07:18, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * According to SFA3, Bison is more of a spirit that posesses a body. I would think the body of Bison is a Thai general because of his look, his clothes, the fact that you almost always fight him in Thailand, and the fact that his fighting style (Lerdrit) is used by the Thai army.
 * His fighting style is not Lerdrit. That's something Capcom of USA made up. JuJube (talk) 18:19, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It's unknown. There's a lot of speculation, but that's all it is. Personally, I just put him down as "Truck Driver" (at least his Alpha version). ^_^ JuJube (talk) 10:33, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * it's more fun to never know if you ask me. Just like in Batman, nobody knows what the Joker's real name is, get what I mean?Lasttiger (talk) 20:18, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * As far as his nationality is concerned, you could assume he's Japanese from what he says (in all of his video game appearances, Bison/Vega's spoken lines are all in Japanese). But then again, what kind of name is "Vega" or "M. Bison" for a Japanese guy (though that logic kinda fails since E. Honda is Japanese, and his first name is Edmond, which is obviously NOT Japanese)? The best thing is to just not worry about Bison/Vega's nationality or ethnicity. Veg20xx —Preceding undated comment was added at 07:02, 6 October 2008 (UTC).


 * In Street fighter 3: alpha it says very specifically when you choose him that he is from thailand
 * In the games, Bison's "country" is where ever his stage happens to be located (the first Alpha game says that his stage is in the USA, for example). The flag has little bearing on where the character was actually born (Cammy's SFA3 stage is in Greece, but she's not Greek). Veg20xx (talk) 21:18, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Category suggestions

 * Fictional characters with superhuman strength
 * Fictional characters who can move at superhuman speeds
 * Comments? - A Link to the Past (talk) 18:35, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Unless you can add reliable sources to the article, neither belong here. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:26, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Pictures
Are the anime and cartoon versions of him necesesary to show? (Also really we could use a good option for his infobox besides the SF4 art...not too keen on the SF2 art in the article though, given he's covered)--Kung Fu Man (talk) 20:50, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Regard to the last edit to the comics section...
If you remove the part about Bison's backstory, then you might as well just remove the entire UDON Comics section because otherwise there's really scant little separating it from the main story anyway. SuperSonicTH (talk) 06:40, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Voice Talent
Would it be too far out of line to try to list those who have provided Bison's voice in the various games? I've already added credit for Doug Erholtz for providing the English voice of Bison for SF4. From hearing him, I'm almost certain he's provided Bison's voice elsewhere, but I can't place it.

Actually, he's the voie of Vega, the one with the mask, not Vega the dictator. Shadoman (talk) 20:35, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Kato and Bison
What do you guys think about this?

"Guys, Vega (M.Bison) is a parody of Majin Kato from Teito Monogatari (帝都物語), a novel series from the mid 80s to begin with.

The novel was so popular, there were multiple manga adaptations, three live action movies, and even an anime OVA series. Any similarity to Vega/M.Bison should be considered possible homage to Teito Monogatari..."--Aohige_AP

http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=1103376&postcount=207

That makes a lot of sense to me. That would explain why Kato and Bison are so similar, not only in their concept and appearance, but also in their character histories.Voilodion (talk)

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