Talk:Mario Clash

More reviews
Of uncertain RS-status, just gathering info:
 * Defunctgames - Uncertain RS
 * VGCritic - Already used(?)
 * GamesRadar - RS
 * Nintendojo - Possible RS, was used in at least one GA.
 * Nintendo Power Vol.75, August 1995, p. 26-29 (26, 27, 28, 29)

The last one if most interesting, since it is "vintage" (at the time of the game's release", complete & comprehensive, uncontroversially RS, and... well, great. Use it and abuse it!  Salvidrim!   20:02, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll work on integrating some of that. (I came across that defunct games website recently when researching for another older video game. It was hard to say if it was reliable or not...it seemed to be borderline...) Sergecross73   msg me   04:13, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The best bet is to start a discussion at WP:VG/S about DefunctGames. But the NP source definitely is the most solid base this article will have.   Salvidrim!   04:20, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It has been done. FYI. Sergecross73   msg me   04:40, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Other Appearrance
We'll have to see if we can verify anything in this section, about the Warioware games having similar minigames to Mario Clash. I have a feeling that this could just be someone's original research, but I didn't want to remove it yet, as it would be noteworthy if indeed true... Sergecross73  msg me   03:31, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Ultimately, we'll need a source, but I just realized that one of those Warioware games is one of the free Ambassador program games for the 3DS. Since I own Mario Clash and am in Ambassador program, I'll try to check and see if I personally see a connection or not... Sergecross73   msg me   14:16, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Some official strategy guides undoubtedly mention the gameplay of the microgames as described, however if no RS makes the connection with Mario Clash, saying it is similar would be synthesis. And, honestly, it's not exactly "unique" gameplay, so it could be very similar without any link whatsoever.   Salvidrim!   17:12, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Salvidrim is right.184.44.129.253 (talk) 17:57, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Exactly, I've seen it referred to as similar to the original Mario Bros. in multiple places...which makes me wonder if the Warioware games are merely based off that... Sergecross73   msg me   20:28, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Considering Mario Clash was based on Mario Bros., it all comes from the same place.  Salvidrim!   20:29, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

I take back all of by skepticism. I played the minigame, and it is very clearly a Mario Clash reference. Everything is in red and black, the level looks just like a Clash level, and Mario is in the background, throwing a turtle shell into the foreground, a scenario that doesn't occur in the Mario Bros. games. The shell even goes "into" the screen, as if they were trying to simulate 3D (though it obviously wasn't really, with it being a GBA game. (Gameplay is very limited, over the course of about 4 seconds, Mario, who already has a shell, must throw it at the enemy. Mario can't move at all, only time the throw.)

Anyways, I realize we still should probably have a source, I'm just saying that the claim is warranted and apparent, not misinformation. Probably worth looking into. Sergecross73  msg me   01:59, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Which one of the WarioWare game is that?  Salvidrim!   02:09, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The one I played wasWarioWare, Inc.: Mega Microgames!  for the Game Boy Advance. From what I read at the article, it sounds like the other one, WarioWare, Inc.: Mega Party Games!, was pretty much just a port/remake for the Gamecube. So it sounds like it was probably more like 1 appearance in 2 versions of the 1 game...  Sergecross73   msg me   02:38, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Wow, so I guess I never read through the sources in their entirety. One of the IGN sources mentions it at the bottom! -- Mario Clash lives on not only in the collections of hardcore Nintendo loyalists, but also as a microgame in the first WarioWare for the Game Boy Advance. Sergecross73   msg me   18:16, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Added. The detailes gameplay description of the microgame is uncited, but perhaps not entirely necessary right now.  Also merged four identical references into one and converted to proper {cite web} insteas of Bare URLs.   Salvidrim!   18:25, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. And sorry, I tend to do the bare minimum as far as the technical stuff goes with refs. I figure as long as the ref itself is there, I let other do the specific clean up stuff. Sergecross73   msg me   18:36, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
 * And the technical side is not something I mind fixing, so it's all good. :p  Salvidrim!   18:39, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

I found another source that mentions the Warioware minigame, but it only says it happened, not anything about it. The reliable source does link to a youtube video that shows the actual gameplay, but while I think this would make the video reliable, as it was verified by their editor, there's still likely WP:COPYVIO and WP:SYNTHESIS concerns that would pop up in using it at I would think... Sergecross73  msg me   04:19, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Development
Is there any information out there that could be worked into a development section? That's a pretty standard section for videogame articles, but I'm not seeing much along the lines of what usually goes in those. Most of the info found so far seems to fall into "Gameplay", or "Reception". I think with some of the sources that has been scrounged up in the article and on this talk page, something along the lines of "it was meant to be a Mario title to save the system, but it wasn't enough" type thing, but even that would kind of be a stretch... Thoughts? Sergecross73  msg me   18:15, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * While I believe that since this was developped for a rather unique console with unique elements, some basic thing like I did at Dr. Mario (video game), where basically no info on Development is available, might be sufficient.  Salvidrim!   22:02, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Sometime I'll try to read up on some more general Virtual Boy stuff. Perhaps that could bring up some more passive mentionings of it in relation to the system or something... Sergecross73   msg me   15:41, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Perhaps sources from Virtual Boy may be useful.  Salvidrim!   21:59, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Started up a development section. I know it might be a bit of a stretch, but I think it could be a good starting point (I wrote it more along the lines of being an intro to the dev section, if/when we're able to expand it more in the future.)  Sergecross73   msg me   19:30, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Mario Tech Demo
Still struggling to find more Development section information. (Though the article on a whole looks pretty good, considering what we have to work with.) Something I found while searching; supposedly there was a brief Mario Tech demo shown off for the Virtual Boy, though it was done more in the vein of a Super Mario type way. If any reliable sources covered that tech demo, it would be interesting to see if it had any ties to this game. (ie maybe it was cancelled or delayed in favor of this game?) In my preliminary search, I only found Youtube and Fansite coverage though, and nothing significant, so it could be a stretch, but it's just a thought... Sergecross73  msg me   14:28, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kM0JMg-IRqc

https://retronauts.com/article/1110/a-look-at-virtual-boys-forgotten-mario-bros-sequel

https://web.archive.org/web/20100308021215/http://www.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/article.php?id=15283

https://web.archive.org/web/20110107090707/http://www.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/article.php?id=7898

https://web.archive.org/web/20100216041117/http://www.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/article.php?id=15168

https://killscreen.com/versions/seeing-red/

https://toucharcade.com/2016/12/02/prepare-for-the-arrival-of-super-mario-run-with-my-look-at-nintendos-past/

https://www.destructoid.com/mario-clash-the-first-forgotten-3d-mario-game-215582.phtml

https://www.destructoid.com/mourning-the-early-platformer-the-death-of-the-single-screen-450566.phtml