Talk:Need for Speed: World

Wii?
Has this game been official announced for the Wii platform, as the article states? I follow a lot of Nintendo news and I haven't heard of this, and after a quick scout around the internet I can't seem to determine whether or not World Online is coming to the Wii. We need to reference this information.--LostOverThere (talk) 08:36, 18 July 2009 (UTC)


 * no, lol. this is PC only —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.56.104.126 (talk) 19:59, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Not free anymore !
This game is not free2play anymore and you have to purchase it WikiBahal (talk) 15:17, 28 May 2010 (UTC)


 * It seems as though you're one of the "Electronic Arts isn't doing enough" people. The game is free to play until level 10. After that, while you can still play it, the game won't progress further until you pay to get the starter kit. You can play the game until kingdom come without paying. Petman1325 (talk) 16:35, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

World is free2play now, see article. Loonybin0 18:15, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Errors
Hey guys,

A couple things about World are incorrect here. First, there is no co-op play currently in the game or planned. Secondly, players are not able to play as police in the game. Also, World is Free-to-play. These need to be removed. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NFSKirk (talk • contribs) 22:34, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Can't you remove the errors yourself? You're free to edit the content . I don't know anything about this game, so I'm not going to modify the article's contents.  Davtra   (talk) 02:01, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

its about racing so why play as cop —Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.248.58.167 (talk) 03:58, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Car List Layout
Whoever last edited the car list from being a single column to three did a pretty good job, but if I might make a few suggestions:

1) Instead of marking some vehicles as "(previously) only available as a free gift", include EA's own catchphrase "Top-Up". Perhaps something like,
 * (previously) only available as a free gift from 'Top-Up'
 * only available as a free gift from 'Top-Up'
 * When a player makes a purchase of 17500 or 8000 SpeedBoost.
 * When a player makes a purchase of 17500 or 8000 SpeedBoost.

2) I guess just generally a little more detail: cars that can be purchased for in-game cash (IGC) only, cars with police versions without lights, cars from special events like Rose and the Beast from Valentine's day, other art director cars, promotional/unique cars like the A1 Clubsport and the Team NFS Z4 GT3, classic cars vs current cars maybe. These are things I will work on when I have the chance, but would appreciate some help. I'd like this to be a handy reference for players. Thanks.

Loonybin0 04:09, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Currencies
I am also thinking about a section detailing the difference between in-game cash and speedboost, and how it will soon be switched to EA's new universal f2p currency (announced on World's website 10/14/2011).

Loonybin0 18:15, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Last paragraph removed
It read:

EA have released patches for World, failing to mention to users what is being download automatically onto their systems without authorisation or confirmation. The latest patches have had no affect to World. EA need to pull their finger out if they want World to be as successful like the previous Need for Speeds (Most Wanted and Carbon)

Horribly written, and completely biased.

67.189.143.44 (talk) 00:40, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Warning
There should be warning that (as of january 2011) this game has very serious bugs that prevent people to fully enjoy it. These bugs include out of sync cars during races - sometimes even 2-3 seconds difference. (Some cars start seconds before others, some cars suddenly "jump" before others during race, sometimes you finish race just to see several other people finish after you with better time than you, etc.)

There are many reports of different crashes of this game. This game should be considered a free game and compared to free games. It is not done so properly as other new commercial titles.

I cannot edit this page to add it by myself, so I'm writing on talk page.

References: Support forum Bugs Report forum

--Lacoblaho (talk) 15:06, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, unless commented on by reliable sources, bugs aren't a notable occurrence. Thanks! Fin©™ 14:58, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

then at least acknowledge that there were major changes after v5, multiplayer is borked and the game is basically pay2win, the drop rate is too low, its highly unlikely getting the best parts for free... im not asking to flame the game but at least warn new players what their going to get when they try it. their support forum is not a reliable source? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.53.166.118 (talk) 14:04, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Forums are not considered to be reliable sources. I'll grant that from personal experience, everything you point out is true, but the fact is that this encyclopedia runs on verifiability. Without reputable sources making similar claims (sorry, but forum post do not count), the mention cannot be made. ⒺⓋⒾⓁⒼⓄⒽⒶⓃ  ②  21:35, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/5321190.page If you really want to write about bugs and issues, you can use this as a starting point since complaints on forums isnt enough. (original post is by a developer stating there are issues with the game for a few weeks and past patches were ineffective so there might be a server shutdown/roll-back of sorts in the near future)

ChappyHappy (talk) 18:40, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

This game is full of bugs and is constantly blasted in the NFSWorld forums. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.185.62.92 (talk) 22:44, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Screenshot
May I upload a replacement, as the screenshot on the page is horribly outdated. XXReaperKnightXx (talk) 18:22, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Can we say that NFSW has the longest roads?
I discover that NFSW has the longest roads from this site but undercover has only 175 km of roads. so NFSW is longer.lets talk about it if we want to put that info in the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by John kaiser (talk • contribs) 12:36, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Source codes ?
Let4time: great of you to mention this, but are you referring to one source code (has been opened) or several (have been opened) ? I'm not familiar with this so please make that minor correction. Also, it would be worth to specify what a person can do with that source code, from a layman's viewpoint. It would also look better if the link would be integrated in the text rather than separate. Thanks! Fireflood (talk) 21:35, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

The game is not open-source. A component integrating web-browser into the launcher was open-sourced because it modifies the LGPL sources from WebKit project, thus inheriting the open-source license. Same component is used in Origin. --79.207.182.63 (talk) 14:15, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Car List
Do not remove the car list!112.209.58.46 (talk) 06:25, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Why not? The list is a violation of WP:GAMECRUFT, since lists of concepts (cars in this case) should be avoided.  Zappa  O  Mati   03:52, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Again, you readded. I have requested protection at WP:RPP.  Zappa  O  Mati   02:13, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

DO NOT PROTECT IT! KEEP THE CAR LIST! 112.209.53.148 (talk) 02:32, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Why do you want it to be kept? The list violates WP:GAMECRUFT.  Zappa  O  Mati   02:39, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Even if it is game cruft, I will put it back so anyone who reads will know the full car list.112.209.53.148 (talk) 02:43, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Except you will be blocked for 24 hours for edit warring if you do so for more than 3 times in 24 hours. Besides, people can just look it up at sources like this and this.  Zappa  O  Mati   02:53, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

But the sources only have the original car list.112.209.33.125 (talk) 06:27, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Then can you provide a reliable source for the new cars?  Zappa  O  Mati   22:37, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't really understand the logic here. First you say, the list can't be included because of WP:GAMECRUFT. I have looked there, and I have yet to see the motivation for this rule. Then you argue that there is not a reliable source for the current car list following reliable source. Why couldn't you simply reference the game itself? e.g.

"Need For Speed World". Version number (shown on game launcher last I checked). Date of version (being a constantly updated game, the access date is probably sufficient). Electronic Arts Studios & Quicklime Games (formerly EA Black Box). Date of access.
 * ...using MLA. -Loonybin0 22:54, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * You see, the IP said that the sources I provided listed only the "original car list", which does not include the newer additions, so I need a reliable source to include the newer vehicles. Meanwhile, the GAMECRUFT reason is listed at #6, as the car list is simply a list of vehicles, which is inappropriate.  Zappa  O  Mati   00:55, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Very well, though I think since that is only a Wikipedia restriction, someone should add a link to http://nfsworld.wikia.com/wiki/Cars in which does show the full list, or is that also a no-no? Loonybin0 16:18, 10 December 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Loonybin0 (talk • contribs)

Current status (cheating issue)
I'm not really happy with my edit in terms of references but I'm struggling to imagine one, let alone find one. Is there a policy about these situations? There almost certainly won't be any official sources on the subject, yet the issue is real and easily confirmed by "original research". Bahati (talk) 20:47, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I guess I can go look for a policy or such on that, but is there any review or something from a reliable source (WP:VG/S) that talks a little about it?  Zappa  O  Mati   14:29, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
 * No such review that I know of. It's a 2010 title and it would need to be a recent review and reviewers from major, and thus reputable, outlets seldom mention cheating. Finding an intersection of recent, unorthodox and reliable in this instance seems impossible to me. Bahati (talk) 18:23, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
 * There are youtube videos that could be used as references for certain type of hacks, such as the teleport hack, which is obvious if the in game map is enabled during an event and captured in the video. The game is shutdown now, so I don't know if anyone cares about this anymore. Rcgldr (talk) 21:03, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Links to online fora
Some of the references in this article are to the game's online fora. There are two problems with this, both in relation to the current game and games more generally:


 * 1) An unreliable source.  The fora do not provide guaranteed useful, meaningful commentary or input.  A player comment in a game forum does not need to be fact-based, and is as relevant as a random email or a text message.  The player does not necessarily have the necessary subject matter understanding to be able to add meaningful input, and linking to a forum comment could as easily be linking to a troll as to a well-known and knowledgeable member of the community.  There is a minor exception to this, in that comments on an official game forum by a representative of the game publisher can reasonably be taken as an official statement (e.g. this post, which appears to be from a game representative.
 * 2) A time-limited resource.  I was in fact surprised to find a result using the link above, as a lot of fora get taken down quite soon after the game is taken off-line.

I recommend that links to a game forum should be very carefully considered, and if there is a more trustworthy and stable source for the information that should be used. In instances where the forum entry is written by a 'publisher representative' - or in exceptional cases, by a 'community leader', then the information referenced should really carry a caveat regarding the reliability and long-term usefulness of the source. Even in such circumstances, a published article or a press release would provide a more reliable and stable source.

While I have recommended this, I have not yet updated the article, pending input from others on this topic within this page and genre. It is also potentially something that belongs somewhere in the Wikipedia writing guidelines (in fact, I see that it is already mentioned in Identifying reliable sources, under "Self-published sources (online and paper)", as well as under the subject heading "Self-published sources" within Verifiability).

Maybe the video game genre presents a 'special case', given the ubiquity of fora - or maybe not. I would appreciate thoughts regarding this article and the broader genre, before I add to my bucket list "remove all forum references from video game articles". Ambiguosity (talk) 03:29, 5 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Almost all EA announcements about the game were url shortcuts to posts made at forums.ea.com. forum.ea.com was left available until April 6, 2016, long after shutdown (July 14, 2015). The PC games sections, including NFS World were, disabled on April 6, 2016. A few months later, all content from *.ea.com and *.needforspeed.com was removed from the internet, and the links now redirect to a new web site. None of the removed content was archived, as archive.org doesn't go deep enough into web site internal links to preserve this information, so those links are now "hopelessly lost web-only sources", as noted in the "dead links" section. The archive for all of these links only goes to a text only version of EA's old main page, with no graphics and no functioning links. Rcgldr (talk) 21:11, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

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Using a Wikia web site as a source for descriptions of game content for a video game?
Normally, wikia web (user generated) sites are not considered reliable sources, but this Wiki article is about a video game and the Wikia NFS World web site user generated content is not opinion based, but instead a peer reviewed effort that used in game and store descriptions of game content to create a collection of web pages with identical descriptions of game content such as cars, parts, events, ... . Essentially it was a group effort to create a detailed game manual based on in game descriptions of content. It's extremely unlikely that anyone would challenge the content on this web site:

http://nfsworld.wikia.com/wiki/NFS_World_Info_Wiki

http://nfs.wikia.com/wiki/Need_for_Speed:_World

Here is an example of a list of "driver skills" that were in the original version 4.0 release.

http://nfs.wikia.com/wiki/Need_for_Speed:_World/Driver_Skills

The standard was (and still is) that the Wikia web site descriptions exactly matched the in game descriptions. It didn't matter if the in game descriptions were not accurate, as actual comparisons of cars, skills, performance parts, ..., was handled by other web sites, such as nfstimes.com, which used race result data made public by the game publisher, to maintain a database that included ranking of players and cars on a per event basis.

The Wikia web site appears the be the last source remaining with descriptions of game content, including historical content (early versions of the game). Normally game content description can be verified via actual game play, but NFS World significantly evolved over time and is now shut down, no longer playable without a player made modification made to the last released version of the game (I'm avoiding details on this since I don't know the Wiki policy or other potential issues with player made modifications).

As for alternatives, there are a few game reviews, but these do not describe much of the game content. There are a few youtube videos where a player goes through an in game menu to show all of the items of a certain type like skills, but in the case of cars, only the in game cash cars appear. Rcgldr (talk) 02:56, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Gameplay - Tri City not the name for the combined cities of NFS World
I'm pretty sure that Tri-City is not the official name for the combined cities in NFS World. The existing map is composed of two cities from two games, not three. There is a sign in Rockport that indicates that the Rockport Turnpike leads to "Tri-Cities" a reference to NFS Undercover. The early plan was to use the end of the Turnpike (the toll booth area) like a teleport to transition between the exiting map and a converted Undercover map, as the existing map had reached the limits of the range of values used in the coordinate system to locate streets and objects, so the Undercover map would have to be a separate map. Undercover's textures were compatible with World's textures, so the existing conversion tools used would have worked for Undercover. Underground 2 textures were lower resolution, so it would have taken much more work to convert and it wasn't included in the early plans. Rcgldr (talk) 22:47, 4 May 2018 (UTC)


 * I removed the reference to Tri City as it is a reference to Undercover, not World. There were early plans to use create a second map for World based on Undercover, using the end of the Rockport Turnpike as a means to "teleport" between the two maps, but this was never done. A second map would have been needed because the existing map had reached the limits of it's coordinate system, with no space for Undercover's huge map. There was an unused portion of the World map, north of Fortuna and west of Silverton, that was going to be used for the canyons, but that project was abandoned. The developers left the "Tri-Cities" signs on the transition roads that connect Hwy 201 to Rockport Turnpike, which created some confusion, since the turnpike just ends at some toll roll booths. Rcgldr (talk) 10:45, 16 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I remove the reference to downtown Rockport being based on New York city, since all of the territories in Rockport and Palmont are modeled after US cities, and either all or none of them should be listed. There are a series of videos on youtube for the locations in Carbon, with commentary by Neil Eskuri: Kempton - Long Beach, Downtown - San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Fortuna - west Los Angeles area, Silverton - Las Vegas, San Juan - Santa Fe, Taos (New Mexico). Note that San Juan was not added to World. Rockport is based on east coast US cities. On Worlds map, Rockport is on the east, and Palmont on the west, surrounded by water (and distant islands) so that the coastlines are facing in the proper direction. Rcgldr (talk) 10:45, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Dead links
All of the *.needforspeed.com and *.ea.com links are "hopelessly lost web-only sources". Those links now redirect to the current EA web site and the original content is gone. These broken links were used to note dates and milestones, which were in the form of announcements, some made at the main EA web site, but most of them made as posts at forums.ea.com. None of these announcements were captured by archive.org, as archive.org doesn't archive deep enough into a web site to capture stuff such as posts at a forum site. There was another forum site, world-garage.com that maintained a copy of all announcements, but it too is also gone and archive.org didn't capture any of the copied announcements. Some of the dates and milestones such as the initial release dates are available at some gaming web sites. I may be able to find copies of the announcements at other web sites, but most of those would be forums (reliable source issue?). I recommend leaving the date related content in the Wiki article as is. It matches a history file I created and posted at a few forums, and there may be others that have done the same, although I don't know who they are or how to contact them. Rcgldr (talk) 03:14, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

History
Link to a history thread I posted at a forum site. It's too detailed for the article, and being a forum site, not a "reliable source", but I'm posting a link here for anyone interested.

http://isrc2.proboards.com/thread/1991/history-nfs-world

Rcgldr (talk) 03:21, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Closure - post closure third party server (soapbox racer)
I don't know what the Wiki policy is for third party created modification for a video game. In this case, when it was announced that NFS World would be shutting down, third parties created single player (offline only) apps (called "launchers") that emulated the online server by intercepting what would be NFS World's communications with the actual server, allowing NFS World to be played as a single player game and no need for the actual server which was shutdown July 14, 2015. Early versions of these "offline servers" were working before shutdown. Later on, attempts were made to create actual online servers that emulated enough of the actual server to allow for multi-player play, which is/was on going. Rcgldr (talk) 07:55, 3 August 2019 (UTC)