Talk:Phantasy Star Universe

Xbox 360 Beta/Demo Servers
Should there be a section regarding the beta/demo and how it's still available to play for free as a demo on the Xbox 360? It is relevant considering SEGA shut down the online servers for PC and PS2 yet the demo sees such a significant amount of players daily that it hasn't been shut down, or even had it's servers rolled back (resulting in demo reset and character loss) in such a long time. I'd gladly do a write-up here and vote whether or not it's decent enough to be kept in the article... Sonic NiGHT 17:28, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Well just mention what the demo is. not that it affects the server shutdown.Bread Ninja (talk) 22:03, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Question
"Among the rubble, our main character's, Ethan Waber, sister, Lumia Waber, would be the only one alive to survive the initial attack." Is it just me, or does this really need to be reworded? Vancar 21:37, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I've reworded it. I think it's apparent that the main character is Ethan Waber. Also, "one alive to survive" is a bit redundant, so I changed that as well. Vancar 18:41, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

PSP
So, now that Phantasy Star Portable for the PSP has been announced, I guess it requires a mention here (it's the third part to PSU's series). Kirbysuperstar (talk) 15:21, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Release Dates
Someone fix my release date for Australia please. I'm at a loss.

SEGA references
Someone should write that a beast's nanoblast is a reference to the old game Altered Beast and the news lady Hal from story mode is a reference to Space Channel 5 (she works at channel 5 in space, etc.) Just an idea. --207.59.74.66 10:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

My bad, just looked over and saw that Space Channel 5 is already on there. --207.59.74.66 10:14, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Remote/Local?
As one of the many poor neglected gamers who happen to live in the UK (exact same game as the US, just yonks later), I don't have PSU yet. Can anyone tell me whether your character data is stored locally or server-side? IE, if I decide I want to stop paying for a while, do I lose my online character? Presumably some of the data must be stored locally because there's an offline game as well, but since Sonic Team has so many problems with corruption on the GC with PSO I thought they might not do that. Any idea? Thanks. --Aceizace 14:04, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Character data for online mode is stored server-side. You can make a character for Extra mode, which is sorta like the online mode offline, except it only has the free missions from the offline. Eusis 15:51, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Features section
This section needs to be updated from its current past tense status - the game is out in practically all regions now, so we all know what's new and what's not, so it needs to be more comprehensive. I'd do it myself, but I can't really figure out what needs doing. Namillus 12:12, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Spoilers in the characters scetion
The characters section contains some pretty big spoilers. Maybe using the spoiler tags is in order. 71.226.17.185 01:41, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't see the usefulness of the character section at all.Dynendal 02:33, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Me either for that matter. A synopsis of the entire story (not just the beginning part) would be more suitable. 71.226.17.185 09:59, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

nProtect Rootkit
The PC version of this game, features a "copy protection" program called nProtect GameGuard. The version that cames with this game is nothing but a rootkit which takes control over user's PC resulting in the fact that game can not be shutdown by normal means, (ALT+F4). nProtect GameGuard runs at very low level, really close to kernel, this gives it the ability to work on the same or even lower levels then Antivirus programs, thus giving nProtect GameGuard the ability to scan all of PC's memory at will. I believe this information should be included, as it is vital.

Simply stating that this program is included in the installation and is of a questionable nature would be sufficient, the specifics belong in GameGuard's article. 71.226.17.185 09:40, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
I'm pretty sure someone has screwed with the page. Granted I've only played the demo but I'm pretty sure there isn't any ASS, BJs or "Infinite Pee-Pee" in the game. Plus I'm sure the tit;e wasn't decided by an illeterate 3rd grader. I might be wrong but we might wanna check on these "facts". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.184.26.226 (talk) 07:57, 25 February 2007 (UTC).

Expansion
This page needs a huge update, since the news about updates and the upcoming expansion pack is not even mentioned anywhere on the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.254.171.252 (talk) 19:57, 11 April 2007 (UTC).


 * Sounds like a plan, there's not too much information out so far though. However I do believe there is enough to warrant a small section mentioning some of the new features such as auto-following, new weapon types (whips, madoogs/shadoogs, slicers,etc) and how job types have been rebalanced. I suppose the issue is that so far the only information available is from English speaking players that have Japanese beta accounts and are violating their NDAs by posting that information on sites such as PSO-World. Basically there's no references on expansion information other than these people's experiences with the game. -- AVX 14:19, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The expansion really deserves an article of its own, since it is a whole new (offline) game, besides the online content. Or should it stay in this article?  RobLinwood 21:08, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Would a "Critical reception" section be worth considering for the expansion? --71.156.91.250 15:27, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Expansion section needs to be reworded. Its full of opinion and sounds like an advertisement. And why give the expansion, which isn't even out yet, a critical reception section, when the main game doesn't have one? 68.59.157.132 01:10, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Critical reception?
Much as I like to see the series do well, there is not a lot of positive press for PSU and I think it's important to discover why that is exactly.

The reception area mentions that Erik Brudvig reported "It may not have been perfect, but it was fun" this is extremely misleading because in the review of Universe, he says that referring to Phantasy Star Online. The entire quote is as follows:

"When Phantasy Star Online came out for Dreamcast way back in 2001 we were treated to something new. It wasn't just a new direction for the beloved Phantasy Star series; it was a new direction for console RPGs. That was something special. It may not have been perfect, but it was a fun look at what many thought to be the future." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.30.15.6 (talk) 17:35, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Because of this incorrect information I am deleting the Erik Brudvig quote from this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.30.15.6 (talk) 17:37, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Characters
This page could benefit greatly from a character digestion page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.156.16.232 (talk) 19:21, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Magashi =/= Dark Falz reincarnate
Nowhere, I repeat NOWHERE does it say in the story that Magashi was a reincarnation of Dark Falz. If it does, feel free to tell me to GTFO your interwebz as you fix the edit. In the meantime, I've edited out the sentence in where it says Magashi is a Dark Falz reincarnate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by XXCrocmonXx (talk • contribs) 14:39, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Xbox Live Vision Camera "controversy"
Its not really a controversy, but I've definitely seen more than a few people, at least within the demo, selling pornography using the camera. Does anyone think this is remotely relevant?Moocowsrule (talk) 03:51, 1 September 2008 (UTC)Moocowsrule
 * I do not believe this would benefit the article. Most games have a "controversy" such as this. It can be quite a common thing and is unrelated to the purpose of the game, therefore I do not see why it would be needed. --Neutralle (talk) 15:27, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Go to Universe 1, Clyez City 4th Floor any day of the week, or as I like to call it, 'The Red Light District" and you'll see thousands of morons whoring and scamming for trivial amounts of Meseta. The irony is the number of idiots who actually buy the crap, lol. It's less of a controversy and more of a nuisance, since everybody basically puts up with it now aside from unaware first-time players, lol.

Reference and sources!
Could everyone try to link references to the information contained within this article? There is an extreme lack (zero) of referenced material. I have therefore placed the relevant banner at the top of the page. --Neutralle (talk) 15:45, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

NPC Listing
Is this addition to the article really necessary? It does not help give information about the game but rather parts of it which is useful only to people that play the game. This information should really belong on PSUPedia which at present it is. --Neutralle (talk) 11:22, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

agreed. in fact instead of finding external links for characters we should try to make a character article for them.Bread Ninja (talk) 17:39, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Convert NPC Listing to Characters section
The article at the moment doesn't really describe what characters are within the game and their names. The current 'Non-playable characters' section should be changed to a Characters section listing each main characters name and a short explanation about their relevance to the story.

Also, the current edit war should be stopped immediately. There shouldn't be a section listing only NPC characters, BUT there should be a section listing the main characters relevant to the story. Phynicen "Chat" 13:34, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

The Japanese PC/PS2 servers are still open
Somebody keeps removing the note that the Japanese servers are still open. They need to stop taking this off. It is not correct to declare that PC/PS2 is closed. Only the western PC/PS2 servers are down. The Japanese ones are very much active and that must be accounted for in this article.
 * Well i wouldn't say they should be kept for that sole reason. they ar the original, and their servers matter just as much as these ones no matter what nationality. the reasons i "this isn't japanese wiki" but that really isn't a good reason if the japanese is the original.Bread Ninja (talk) 01:32, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The fact that this article is written in english is irrelivant. This is an encyclopedia based on factual content.  The language it is written in is irrelivant.  Declaring PC/PS2 to be shut down is factually incorrect as only the westrn PC/PS2 version is shut down.  Having wrong information in an encyclopedia is unacceptable.  The information must be correct.  The fact that the Japanese PC/PS2 servers are still live must be accounted for.  So kindly stop removing the entry indicating that they are still live.
 * Well i'm not the one who is removing them, but i agree.Bread Ninja (talk) 16:53, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It does not belong there. Not only is the "PC/PS2 server closure" section referring to the U.S. servers, but this is also the English Wikipedia, not the Japanese Wikipedia. I've requested comments from an uninvolved user, so, until then, leave it like it is until a resolution is reached. Thanks! - Zhou Yu (talk) 00:20, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * This is english wikipedia, but that doens't mean we provide information that only affects english territories. this is a more of case of distribution. For this we usually mention the original (despite of nationality) and the english distribution, and if there is another ditribution that ins't english or the original that and notable to be in the article, then a localization section could be made (if notable to mention). Similarly to Birth by Sleep and Dirge of Cerberus: Final Fantasy VIIBread Ninja (talk) 00:39, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * This article is not exclusive to one version of the game. Right at the start of the article it talkes about all the versions.  This article is about Phantasy Star Universe in its entirety.  It should be clarified which versions are active and which are not.  That is very important information information for someone deciding what version to use.  Please remember that Wikipedia has different languages for different language speakers.  Not different languages to segment information by regions.  If this is to be a proper encyclopedia than the information must be complete.  Clarifying that the english PC and Playstation 2 servers are down but the Japanese ones are up is important information and belongs in this article.  We are doing a dis-service if we keep this information from people simply because they are not searching for such information in a Japanese language Wikipedia.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.113.50.9 (talk) 19:26, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Just take a look at this. It's got its own article on the Japanese Wikipedia; therefore, it is not necessary to have that in the English Wikipedia's article. - Zhou Yu (talk) 17:00, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * That article is entirely in Japanese. I can't read a word of it.  How does there being a Japanese article make any difference whatsoever?  You can not assume that the only people wanting information about the Japanese version of PSU are Japanese speakers.  It is absolutely necessary to to include the information in the english Wiki.  This is an article in english about Phantasy Star Universe.  Not an article about the english version of Phantasy Star Universe.  Likewise, the Japanese article should also have a mention that the regional PC/PS2 servers are down.  There are people that speak Japanese that don't live in Japan.  Likewise there are people that speak english that do live in Japan.  Can you come up with a reason we should keep this information from people other than that this article is not written in Japanese?  Don't assume everyone playing the Japanese version can read Japanese.  You must provide a better argument than "This isn't the Japanese Wiki" because as stated information is not segregated based on the language it's read it.
 * Zhou Yu, you're not really explaining yourself. you repeat the same thing, we gave our thoughts on your reasoning, yet you don't defend it, you simply say it again. please elaborate why wikipedia should only talk about englsih territories and not other territories?Bread Ninja (talk) 01:32, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * How about this? We could make it say that the regional servers were closed.  That clarifies better which servers were closed.  I still think we should specifically mention that the Japanese ones are open to avoid confusion, but if we at least specify that the regional ones were closed that at least doesn't imply that all of PC/PS2 is dead as the article does in its current form.  What do you think?  So the edit would be - "Due to low population, the regional PC/PS2 servers of Phantasy Star Universe were shut down on March 31st, 2010. " —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.179.147.171 (talk) 17:09, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * possibly, but i think that would be unnecessary unless we mention all the regions that are still open.Bread Ninja (talk) 11:40, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * What verbage would you suggest? Are you saying it should specifically declare the Japanese version to be the one still open?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.179.147.171 (talk) 15:10, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I would mention the englsih territories specifcially and casually mention other regions that are also closed and then specifically mention japanese are still open while casually mentioning that others are still open. because the englsih territories and the original are what most important (unless other egions were closed for other reasons other than low servers).Bread Ninja (talk) 16:35, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * As I understand it for PC/PS2 you had 2 servers. The Japanese servers, and a regional server that served everyone else.  So when the regional server closed, that took down everyone except the Japanese server.  But we should find a source to verify this point.
 * Well the only ones we have to worry about is europe and australian servers. the game didn't release in any other place than those places.Bread Ninja (talk) 19:43, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Weren't the European and Australlian servers the same as the English one? Have we reached a decision yet on the verbage to use?
 * Well, considering Zhou Yu has avoided he conversation, and we discussed it seriously, i don't think it's fair for him to remove it simply because he doesn't agree. So unless we hear no objections now, then i think it's safe to casually mention the japanese version is still running while the eglish releases still being the main focus.Bread Ninja (talk) 06:30, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay then. Unless I hear something compelling by tomorrow, I'm going to change it to something like "Due to low population the regional PC/PS2 servers have been shut down, though the Japanese PC/PS2 servers are still running."
 * Someone has changed the wording. It currently says "Due to low population, the North American/European PC/PS2 servers of Phantasy Star Universe were shut down on March 31st, 2010."  I am satisfied with this verbage.  I am fine with leaving it as it is now.
 * For the love of God, people, sign your posts! Indent them properly, too! - Zhou Yu (talk) 05:39, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

We can't keep indenting, it is allowed to break it every 5 comments or so. as for signing post, yes i agree. please sign your post with four tidles (~) at the end of your comment. but anyways, i'm not satisfied with north american/europe because that's also leaving out australia. so i say just keep it to english regions.Bread Ninja (talk) 15:31, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I think this is going to require mediation or abritration. Bread Ninja and I have discussed this and agreed on a change.  Zhou Yu refuses to discuss it here and reverts the changes without justifyinig his position.198.179.147.71 (talk) 19:08, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * If I must explain. Okay, excluding the "this is the English Wikipedia" argument, there's a section, which is named "PC/PS2 server closure", and, at the end of the sentence, there's a reference. In the "References" section, there's a link, which takes the person to the, oh, look, U.S. SEGA forums. However, there's still no way it could be talking about the U.S. servers only. /sarcasm - Zhou Yu (talk) 02:01, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * that isn't even helping your argument. that only makes it even more necessary to distinguish it.Bread Ninja (talk) 05:20, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with Bread Ninja here. That's all the more reason that it should be clarified which server was down.  We don't want to make an assumption that because someone is reading an english message board they are going to assume there's a difference between servers and regions.  A reader might not even know there are regional and Japanese PC/PS2 servers.  We can't assume they'd somehow know just because the message was posted on english forums.  Don't forget the regional servers were not USA specific - they served many countries.198.179.147.171 (talk) 21:08, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I see there's been a few edits on the term to use. My preferred term is "regional servers" but I don't have a problem with it the way it is now either.  I'm cool with it if you want to keep the current verbage.198.179.147.171 (talk) 23:54, 11 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I do too, but it's too much editing and i do not want to go in ana edit war. So if the same is implied then no reason to fight for it.Bread Ninja (talk) 01:34, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree. I'm fine with it the way it is.  198.179.147.171 (talk) 23:44, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Plot section is terrible
A plot section should not begin by talking about an expansion to the game. Where's the info on the plot of the actual game itself? THAT SHOULD COME FIRST. --76.226.129.35 (talk) 06:19, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

gameguard servers down
i tried to play it and the gameguard servers are down meaning that it will no longer work.84.212.111.156 (talk) 21:29, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

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