Talk:Pink Peacock

Advert tag?
Hey, I see that you added Advert to this page. I'm wondering if you can offer a bit more detail about which part(s) of the article might be promotional or non-neutral? ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 18:17, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Scottish Sun Citation
User Ezlev has suggested that the Scottish Sun article need not be cited due to the Scottish Sun being on the deprecated sources list.

I personally disagree because in this context we are not citing information that the Scottish Sun has posted, but linking to an article that an entire subheading is based around. In my opinion the entire subheading loses credibility without it.

In interest of not driving traffic to the Scottish Sun I would suggest citing an archive.org link (or similar) to the article to transparently share what was said.

Let me know your thoughts! Crabappl.de.ap (talk) 17:35, 31 March 2022 (UTC)


 * The source currently being used here, Jewish Currents, states the following:
 * "That tote became the center of controversy a few weeks ago, as police—responding to a complaint about its display in the window of the as-yet-unopened café—showed up at the home of Pink Peacock board members and co-founders Morgan Holleb and Joe Isaac, eventually charging Holleb with breach of the peace. The incident followed coverage of Pink Peacock in the right-wing tabloid The Scottish Sun, looking to drum up outrage about the space’s “no cops, no terfs” policy, which prompted vandalism of the storefront."
 * There's more detail about the vandalism later in the source. Our article currently says this:
 * "In June 2021, Pink Peacock was the subject of reporting in the tabloid The Scottish Sun, which criticised their policy of 'no cops, no terfs'. Subsequently, the café's storefront was vandalised when a man painted over it. [...] Additionally, the coverage led to a complaint about the café displaying in its window a pink tote bag with the words 'fuck the police' in English and Yiddish, which in turn led Police Scotland to visit Holleb and Isaac's home."
 * So Jewish Currents fully supports the content in our article about The Scottish Sun. Because of that, I don't understand why it would make sense to cite the Sun as well, given that references from The Sun are actively discouraged from being used in any article. Can you elaborate on your reasoning, ? ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 18:01, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
 * No need to cite the Sun directly. The whole point of source reliability is to cite the most authoritative resource, not the primary source for its own sake. czar  04:21, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
 * The Jewish Currents article currently contains a link to the article (via an archive.org link), as well as providing the quoted text. I'm not super familiar with the policies around this, but would adding a footnote to that article after that claim be enough to satisfy you?  --Pokechu22 (talk) 18:02, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Proposed deletion
Many of the verifiable, reliable sources are press reports on what appear to be largely caper-based/publicity stunt type events. While the article can be seen as earning its place under subject-specific notability guidelines whether it's lived up to founding ideals is moot. The proposal may well be objected to and if so there should be some attempt to make the article more accurately reflect the reasons for closure and various controversies manufactured or otherwise. Neil McDermott (talk) 10:28, 8 June 2023 (UTC)


 * SUPPORT deletion. It's only notability is the minor controversy surrounding some of the staff members actions. Qcne (talk) 13:39, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, mostly agree. Although I think their 4-way intersectional USP (queer, Yiddish, anarchist, vegan) could have been (and was probably the initial) grounds for notability.  However claiming that the cafe truly established itself and was present functionally in each and every one of those spaces is not supported by any of the sources cited in the article, nor is it more generally supported reputationally or by the brevity of the venture's tenure. Neil McDermott (talk) 21:01, 8 June 2023 (UTC)