Talk:Robert M. La Follette

Vegetarian
This notes that he was vegetarian. This may or may not be relevant but I figure I should note it.

Judge
"La Follette returned to Wisconsin, where he served as a judge. In 1891, he refused a bribe offered by a powerful Wisconsin Republican."

Wasn't it LaFollette's brother that was the judge, not Bob himself?


 * Right. This entry needs serious work.  I've started on it, but it needs more.

This is also something from page 454 of McGraw Hill's "U.S. A Narrative History Volume 2: From 1865. Seventh Edition." -- "When a Republican boss offered him a bribe in a railroad case, La Follette pledged to break 'the power of this corrupt influence.' In 1900 he won the governorship of Wisconsin as an uncommonly independent Republican." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.73.23.2 (talk) 14:13, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Death
if i am correct, didnt he die on the 18 and not the 20th? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cheevedw (talk • contribs) 02:04, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

pronunciation
how the hell do you pronounce his name--Jaysscholar 22:09, 10 October 2005 (UTC)


 * La Fie Ette Pimpalicious 06:40, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * That's not correct, it's not Lafayette, it is La Follette, La Fall Ette. Pm06420 15:47, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: POV
That La Follette is WI's favorite son is hardly controversial. In WI politics, the other biggies were Proxmire, Belle Case La Follette, Father Groppi, Phil and Robert La Follette Jr., Dodge (as in, get out of Dodge), Randall, and Vilas. Oh, and McCarthy. Hands down (do a google) you'll find Fighting Bob is the one. - Manski

Nickname
wasn't it "battling bob"?

>> No. Where did you get that? Definitely Fighting Bob.

your both wrong, he was nicknamed the father of the progressive era. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.101.9.231 (talk) 02:10, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Page 454 of McGraw Hill's "U.S. A Narrative History Volume 2: From 1865. Seventh Edition" calls him "Battle Bob" La Follette. I don't know where they got that from though.

Prohibition, Woman Suffrage
This article would benefit from making La Follette's stands on Prohibition and the other constitutional amendments more explicit. Boris B 05:33, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

The playwright George Middleton 1880-1967 son in law
Eventually, an article about the playwright George Middleton will have to be started. George Middleton was married to Fola La Follette and was prominent in his own right. I am working on some notes at home for a possible article. Thank you-RFD 15:12, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * After looking at some of the materials involving the playwright George Middleton, I put a request in for an article. There were lots of plays,other materials, George Middleton wrote and produced. I do know I am not very knowledgable about this type of subject. Thank you-RFD 13:30, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I got the article about George Middleton (playwright) started and it took lots of research and work and overcoming some fears on my part.ThanksRFD 17:30, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Chester La Follette and the 5 Outstanding Senators of 1957
The sentence about Chester La Follette and the Senator's portrait in the US Capitol needs to be move to the paragraph about Senator La Follette being honored as one of the outstanding senators in 1957. The portrait was commissioned for that event. Therefore the 2 items are related and should not be separated.Again my thanksRFD 15:17, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Quote sources
I would like to see clear precise citations for the sources of the quotes that appear in this article. I have seen them various places around the internet, possibly even stitched together in different ways. I would like to see them in their original context, but do not know where to begin looking. -- 136.159.61.8 19:10, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't know who put up a "Weasel Words" banner, but that's not appropriate. What IS appropriate is some sort of indicator that this article is not properly footnoted. It's fine to use one source multiple times, but page numbers really do need to be provided for each fact lifted. Carrite (talk) 18:13, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Education
The article says:

> He graduated [from university] in 1879.

> La Follette attended law school briefly and passed the bar in 1880.

> Soon after obtaining his law degree...

My question is this: did he actually graduate from law school? If so, how long was the programme in those days? Or was it possible in Wisconsin, as in other places, to sit the bar exam on the basis of knowledge gained otherwise, e.g., by reading independently and/or studying with a qualified attorney?

The time-frame just seems somewhat compressed. And, if he didn't graduate from law school, then, admitted to the bar or not, he can't be said to have had a law degree.HenryLarsen (talk) 13:12, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The Wisconsin Historical Society article and the Congressional Biography said he read the law and then was admitted to the bar. This happen after he graduated from college. In the 19th century you studied the law with a lawyer and then appear before some lawyers to take an exam. Thank you-RFD (talk) 00:19, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I just look at Senator La Follette's Autobiobraphy. On pg, 4 La Follette read the law with a lawyer last name Bashford and also spent time at law school for 5 months and then was admitted to the bar-Thank you-RFD (talk) 00:26, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

League of Nations
The intro says that the opposed US entry in the League of Nations, but there's not another word about it. I would like to know why. Does anyone know? —75.4.225.234 (talk) 08:34, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Requested move 7 December 2017

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: moved as proposed. Consensus is that the Sr. is the primary topic, and Jr. can be linked in a hatnote or searched directly. By the same rationale, Bob La Follette should redirect here, and Robert La Follette moved to Robert M. La Follette (disambiguation). (closed by page mover) Brad  v  04:40, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Robert M. La Follette Sr. → Robert M. La Follette – Most sources simply refer to him as Robert M. La Follette without the Sr. designation, including the U.S. Senate website. He was more well-known than his son of the same name and he is the first choice that comes up when you type his name into Google. 2601:241:300:C930:2070:8B2E:92D7:2DE4 (talk) 15:49, 7 December 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. Sky  Warrior  19:18, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Support, yes, I would think it's his common and most familiar name. And it seems odd to see the nickname "Fighting Bob" as part of a name which includes "Sr." His son is known as "Young Bob", not "Fighting Bob". And the list of Memorials on his page, and other linked mentions, don't include 'Sr.', and could be a point in favor of this requested change. Randy Kryn (talk) 16:33, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: I certainly hope that changing the name of the article doesn't result in the changing of his name throughout Wikipedia articles where he's mentioned. Sr. and Jr. were involved in a lot of the same political activities, and I certainly don't want to have to click on every "Robert M. La Follette" link to find out which person is being referred to. 32.218.37.160 (talk) 00:03, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Support – sources, including the official U.S. Senate website as well as Britannica among others, refer to the senator as Robert M. La Follette without a suffix, and his son is referred to with the suffix Jr. A hatnote and natural disambiguation should solve any confusion between them.  CookieMonster755   𝚨-𝛀    01:27, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment-I agree with 32.218.37.160. I am concern about any confusion that would result from the change. Thank you-RFD (talk) 15:29, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose -- Although I agree with 32.218.37.160 that Sr. is much more well known, I think 32.218.37.160 and RFD are correct in leaving the main pages where they are and keeping the DAB. -- Dolotta (talk) 19:17, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Support due to the elder La Follette being the primary topic. However, editors should also consider moving this page to Bob La Follette. Formalities of the Senate notwithstanding, he was commonly known by the shorter name in his lifetime. 64.105.98.115 (talk) 21:04, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Note The Congressional Biography on Robert La Follette listed him as Robert Marion La Follette. And the Wisconsin Blue Book biographical sketches about Robert La Follette when he was Governor of Wisconsin and as United State Senator also listed him as Robert Marion La Follette. He was probably informally called Bob; his son Robert La Follette Jr. was also called Bob. Moving the title to Bob La Follette would only makes this more confusing. Thank you-RFD (talk) 16:14, 15 December 2017 (UTC)


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Citation style
I wish to expand this articles, add various expert studies before re-nominating it for GA. But, I would prefer citing sources using Short footnote template. Per WP:CITEVAR, "Editors should not attempt to change an article's established citation style merely on the grounds of personal preference, to make it match other articles, or without first seeking consensus for the change." The current established styles of citation is based on WP:CITESHORT (under tags). Currently, almost half of the article is cited to a single book (Thelen 1976). Would it be fine to switch to Sfn's? Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 13:05, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Over 2 months, no comments! Respecting the rules and manual of style, I continue my work on this article in its initial style of referencing. Archiving this now. Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 14:44, 20 October 2021 (UTC)