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Do not post outcomes before the show airs

Do not post outcomes of the show before the episode even airs. Not sure how any editor would know the outcome anyway and also this prevents spoilers... Azalea pomp (talk) 20:56, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

You DO realize you reverted it to the version that intimates Ongina won, right? I'm reving it back to something that doesn't specify winner quite yet. -- Ipstenu (talk • contribs) 21:14, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Did someone just vandalize this page with fake results or vandalize the page with spoilers? Azalea pomp (talk) 22:00, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
I can't even tell. It looks okay now, though so ... cross your fingers, ladies. -- Ipstenu (talk • contribs) 16:29, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

ugh. spoilers!! season 4 is somewhat ruined, is it not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.65.61.137 (talk) 20:31, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't hide spoilers. Deal. → ROUX ₪ 21:18, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Isn't there a "spoilers ahead" template that can be placed on the page? I'm pretty sure there used to be one. - eo (talk) 21:28, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Nope. And if one were added here I would remove it immediately, as it is contrary to policy. We do not hide information. Period. → ROUX ₪ 21:53, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Spoilers are one thing, fake leaks (i.e. that shit that was happening on the Season 4 page a couple weeks ago that at least two different blogs took as fact) are quite another. LEARN THE DIFFERENCE. --RThompson82 (talk) 01:08, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Cameroon

Should we put Cameroon as Bebe's nickname because that's how she was referred to by Rupaul —Preceding unsigned comment added by Buffyfan882 (talk • contribs) 00:34, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

No. //roux   03:20, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Someone hates Bebe... --RThompson82 (talk) 01:12, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Participants

At what point are individual pages needed for these contestants? I was surprised that Bebe Zahara Benet and Nina Flowers did not have individual pages.

When they become notable for more than just winning (and being runner-up) in a flash-in-the-pan, unlikely-to-be-repeated reality show. Don't get me wrong; as a former DQ I had great fun watching it. But it didn't make for good TV; I've heard the ratings were abominable. RuRu just doesn't have the same draw she used to. //roux   03:20, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps you should source your "abominable" ratings comment. According to this website the show was a hit: http://news-briefs.ew.com/2009/03/logo-greenlight.html and season two is coming in 2010. Azalea pomp (talk) 20:53, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Uhh... "The first installment of the series was the three-year-old network's most successful series launch" isn't exactly a ringing endorsement, nor does it say anything about the ratings numbers. I'll see if I can find actual numbers, but I doubt they're out yet--'abominable' was industry gossip from a friend of mine in LA. //roux   21:19, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
I bet for Logo it was a huge hit. I don't think any show on Logo is going to have huge ratings because Logo is not as widely available as many other channels. Azalea pomp (talk) 22:03, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Catchphrases

Did anyone else ever notice that Charisma, Uniqueness, Nerve, Talent is an acronym for the word Cunt?

Needs a better intro

Nothing in the intro explains drag or who Ru Paul is. To the uninitiated, this is vital info. Also, it slants more towards the viewpoint of a tv programmer than the average Wiki user. rich (talk) 18:32, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

This is an encyclopedia, it is cross-referenced, the average user can research Ru Paul and Drag without having an explanation on this page.Saxophobia (talk) 10:15, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

The first paragraph says that it's hosted by Ron Paul, with a link to the Presidential candidate. There is no information even hinting that "RuPaul" is a separate person. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.227.7.35 (talk) 12:31, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

A New Word To Add to A List of Terminology for RuPaul's Drag Race

In episode 10 of Season 2 "The Main Event Clip Show", RuPaul used a word that could be added to the terminology for this show. The word used was fishy, which is a term for men in drag who can pass as women. This is not a necessary addition for this page, but it could not hurt. It would add to the show’s character showing that it could be informative on some level.--Derenee (talk) 20:43, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Grand prizes?

The first season it was, what, $25,000? Each new season has seen the jackpot grow, right? What has the grand prize for each season been? It should be in the article. --RThompson82 (talk) 01:12, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Notability of certain Queens

Morgan McMichaels, Alexis Mateo, and Yara Sofia don't have notability outside of the show to warrant their own articles. Unlike queens with a charting song (Raja/Sahara/Nina/Jessica/Detox/Willam) or those with TV/Theatre credits outside of the show (Willam/Tammie/Mimi/Pandora/Manila/Shangela/etc), they don't have anything to create an article. Can they just be re-directed to their respective seasons? Burnberrytree (talk) 18:57, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Season seven

Season seven was green-lite by logo around the same time season 6 premiered, and now the World of Wonder website says the season has been cast, adding "Casting is now closed" above the video post.[1] It hasn't started filming yet, but would it be appropriate to add season 7 to the info box as "No. of seasons 8"? I'm going to go ahead and add it with a citation to the casting video for season 7. If anyone has a problem with the advanced addition to the article please feel free to voice it here. Thank you.--LurganShmith (talk) 15:26, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Wiki page for some the Queens?

How about give each queens their Wikipedia page which Phi Phi O'Hara, Jade Jolie, Roxxxy Andrews, Coco Montrese, Kenya Michaels, and Sonique.

Because they don't meet the Wikipedia guidelines for notable people.--LurganShmith (talk) 02:37, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Why not? They must. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Happypillsjr (talk • contribs) 03:23, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Follow the link I provided in my last comment and read why. Here it is again, just for clarity >>>link<<<--LurganShmith (talk) 03:40, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://worldofwonder.net/rupauls-drag-race-casting/

Semi-protection?

This article needs a semi protection while this show over 1,000,000 hits by fans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Happypillsjr (talk • contribs) 01:20, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Not done: requests for increases to the page protection level should be made at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. Stickee (talk) 06:03, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

When does Season 7 start?

The article said January 26th for a while. I've been hearing its been pushed back to sometime in March because Michelle is on Celebrity Big Brother. Not that it matters, though, because the bulk of the season is already in the can and ready to air and Michelle's current schedule wouldn't interfere with it -- Logo just wants to create the illusion that episodes are only a week or so old rather than months old. --RThompson82 (talk) 01:02, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Pit Crew Chart - discussion?

Could we do a chart for the pit crew like the one being used for the judges? Instead of just adding one, I thought it would be better to get others' opinions. I admit the pit crews role on the show is minimal, but it would seem appropriate to still give them some sort of credit and organization in this article.

Thanks in advance to anyone who actually replies. -LurganShmith (talk) 13:51, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Lol at the "Thanks in advance to anyone who actually replies.", these pages are always so dead in discussions. Yeah I'm all for it. Azealia911 talk 13:59, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
But, where would it go? Unless you want to make a section on the page for them also. Azealia911 talk 14:05, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
lol, right? -- I was just going to add a section header titled "Pit Crew" right under the judges section, write a paragraph explaining what they do on the show and the play on words and that season they were sponsored by Scruff and the underwear sponsors, ect. and then the table formated just like the judges table, and give each pit crew member a bullet with further info under the table just like the judges section. -LurganShmith (talk) 21:51, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

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Countries in which RPDR airs

OutTV also broadcasts RPDR in Belgium, the Netherlands & Luxemburg (the Benelux so to speak). Similar to Sweden the show is on at thursdays at 20.00. Gijsound (talk) 01:08, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

RuPaul's Drag Race: All Stars.

I have moved all of the related information of All Stars to a separate page. More editing is needed for the format and summary, but other than that it's set-up (basic). The new page can be found under the name "RuPaul's Drag Race: All Stars" (RuPaul's Drag Race: All Stars). MSMRHurricane (talk) 08:08, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Ratings and Episode section

Why does each page not have its own ratings and episode section? Is the information not available? Chase (talk) 05:51, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

@MSMRHurricane: Any thought on this? Chase (talk) 01:17, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
@CCamp2013: I thought each seasonal page of RuPaul's Drag Race had an episode section? I think for the ratings (viewer ship for each week, right?), it's harder to retrieve maybe? MSMRHurricane (talk) 02:26, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
@MSMRHurricane: For the episode section I am referring to the template used on almost all series, for example [this]. Also, Ill try to see if i can find ratings. They should be available for everything that airs on tv. If people could help with this that would be great. Chase (talk) 02:32, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
@CCamp2013: Oh I see what you mean, I think it's because of the Main Challenge, Mini Challenge, Prizes, etc. are listed below the episode titles right? So I think maybe that's why they differ from the other series pages on here. MSMRHurricane (talk) 03:22, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Tables.

@Starbucks6789: Please stop changing the contestant progress tables, you are causing an obstructing as some of them are running off the page. They are completely fine the way they are and need no adjustment to the sizes, thank you. MSMRHurricane (talk) 19:33, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

@MSMRHurricane:I wouldn't be complaining because Season 3's table has always run off the page. And I'm making it bigger because it looks more spaced out rather than all smushed together. Starbucks6789 (talk) 06:18, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
@MSMRHurricane and Starbucks6789: Lets split up the tables then, One with the contestant information and one with the elimination history.Chase (talk) 23:56, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
@MSMRHurricane: To be honest I think that makes more sense. Just like the all stars pages. I don't understand why all the information has to be on one table. I think that would be a great idea to have 2 tables rather than everything on one table. Starbucks6789 (talk) 07:17, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
@Starbucks6789: I don't mind have the set up like on the All Stars pages, I, too, agree with that method. But the contestant progress table shouldn't be spaced out as it looks really big and taking up too much space on the article. MSMRHurricane (talk) 00:44, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
@MSMRHurricane: Ok, but as long as the progress table isn't crammed with a bunch of stuff I'll be fine with that and I think some other people will too. Starbucks6789 (talk) 07:55, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
@Starbucks6789: Yes, I prefer the layout of the All Stars pages so please do so with the other seasonal pages. :) MSMRHurricane (talk) 01:02, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
@MSMRHurricane: Are we both going to be making these changes? Because I don't know if I'm going to be able to do all of them by myself to be honest. Never mind I see you already have.Starbucks6789 (talk) 08:05, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
@MSMRHurricane and Starbucks6789: I already took care of the layouts. If you see any minor changes you want to add let us know. Chase (talk) 01:28, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Contestant Progress

Contestant 1 2 3 4 5 6 8 9
BeBe Zahara Benet SAFE SAFE WIN HIGH BTM2 WIN Winner Guest
Nina Flowers WIN HIGH HIGH HIGH LOW HIGH Runner-Up Miss C
Rebecca Glasscock LOW HIGH SAFE BTM2 WIN BTM2 Eliminated Guest
Shannel SAFE HIGH BTM2 LOW HIGH ELIM Guest
Ongina HIGH WIN HIGH WIN ELIM Guest
Jade SAFE SAFE LOW ELIM Guest
Akashia BTM2 BTM2 ELIM Guest
Tammie Brown SAFE ELIM Guest
Victoria "Porkchop" Parker ELIM Guest
  The contestant won RuPaul's Drag Race.
  The contestant was the runner-up of RuPaul's Drag Race.
  The contestant was eliminated in third place without lip-syncing.
  The contestant was voted Miss Congeniality by viewers.
  The contestant won a challenge.
  The contestant was one of the best but did not win the challenge.
  The contestant was one of the worst but was not in the bottom two.
  The contestant was in the bottom two.
  The contestant was eliminated.
  The contestant returned as a guest for the finale episode.

I was wondering if we could just widen the table a little bit more. I just think it's too small and everything is all squished there still like all squished into 1 little section. Just an opinion. Starbucks6789 (talk) 08:12, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

The table looks way to big like that. It's fine the way it is. :) MSMRHurricane (talk) 02:34, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
@Starbucks6789: Stop making the tables wider than they should be, they are completely fine the way they are. We came to a compromise to live up to it, thank you. MSMRHurricane (talk) 02:44, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

@Starbucks6789 and MSMRHurricane: You two are engaged in an edit war and will be reported if it does not stop. Find a solution on here, or gather a consesus. Also, you can request for comment. Chase (talk) 02:45, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

The table is not too wide, its not wide enough how it is. It doesn't look good all squished together like I've said a million times before. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Starbucks6789 (talk • contribs) 02:47, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

@CCamp2013: I realize that, yet I thought we came to a conclusion on this topic? Meaning @Starbucks6789: should have suggested his idea above and left it, not suggest it then go ahead and make the changes before any of us had a say in it. I've told him twice now the table is completely fine and not cluttered. So leave them be. It's unnecessary to make the table wider as it looks far to big for the article. Like I've said, it's completely fine the way it is. MSMRHurricane (talk) 02:49, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
@MSMRHurricane: It is to my knowledge and perception that we discussed why Starbucks6789 was changing the width of the table and why you were changing it back. The result was that we split up the tables so that it would not run off the page. However, we did not come to a conclusion on whether the tables should still be changed in width, like he was wanting in the first place and he thought that the conclusion was that we split up the tables so that he COULD increase the width and you thought the conclusion was just to split the tables up, so that the table didnt need to be changed in width.
Either way, you both reverted more than 3 times in 24 hours over the same content on a single page (multiple pages actually) which is in direct violation of wikipedia policy, which you have been both been notified on your respective pages about.
My opinion on the table width is nuetral. I do not care either way. Chase (talk) 02:59, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Can somone please for the love of good gawd revert the mess someone did to the articles and then protect them? Someone is replacing HIGH and LOW with SAFE and that's not how it should be. Stop ruining Drag Race articles. This is upsetting. Misterdavez (talk) 23:45, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

HIGH and LOW is not something that RuPaul explicitly says. It is therefore considered original research and against Wikipedia policy. Oath2order (talk) 00:15, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
Comment: Oath2order; It is quite funny actually because RuPaul actually does say they are safe when they declare someone else the winner or the bottom 2/3. So our arguement can actually provide a source, the footage itself. Chase (talk) 00:19, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
Reply: Misterdavez; Please see Talk:RuPaul's Drag Race#New Edit, Thanks. Chase (talk) 00:17, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Episode Section

I am proposing the following episode format to be executed to the Rupaul's Drag Race articles:

New Episode Format Proposal
No.
overall 		No. in
season 		Title Original air date
71"All Star Talent Show Extravaganza"August 25, 2016
Mini Challenge: Reading is FUNdamental. Each contestant will stand solo, reciting harsh critics and trying to be the funniest. Whoever is declared the winner will receive a $2000 shopping spree to L.A. Eyeworks.
Mini Challenge Winner: Alaska
Contestant Talent performance
Adore Delano Singing
Alaska Singing
Alyssa Edwards Variety
Coco Montrese Dancing
Detox Singing
Ginger Minj Singing
Katya Gymnastics
Phi Phi O'Hara A Capella
Roxxxy Andrews Burlesque
Tatianna Spoken word
Main Challenge: Each contestant will showcase their chosen talent in front of the judges and a live audience. The talent show starts off with Adore Delano, singing an original song, then moves along the girls until ending with Tatianna who performs a spoken word act. The winner will recieve Jewelry from Fierce Drag Jewels.

The queens are then critiqued on the main stage after their performances. Alyssa Edwards, Detox, and Katya are declared safe. Afterward, Adore is harshly criticized by Michelle Visage on her performance but also and mostly on her outfit, which leaves the queen feeling vulnerable. Phi Phi is criticized for giving a underwhelming performance but the opinions about her outfit are polarized. Coco Montrese is judged on her performance and outfit as well, therefore all three of them are in the bottom three. Roxxxy Andrews, Tatianna, and Alaska are praised for their performances and runway looks while Ginger Minj is criticized on her outfit and her song choice but complimented on her voice. Therefore, Ginger and Alaska are declared safe.

Top Two: Roxxxy and Tatianna.

The plot twist is then revealed to the girls; the two queens who scored the highest will have to Lipsync For their Legacy, rather than for survival in the competition. RuPaul reveals that the reason why she will not be eliminating queens is because she's going to give the winner of the lipsync the right to do it herself in addition to giving them $10,000. Before the lipsync begins, the girls have time to talk in the Werk Room.

Bottom Three: Adore Delano, Coco Montrese & Phi Phi O'Hara

Roxxxy pulls aside each of the bottom three girls and asks them how they feel. First, she takes Phi Phi; she breaks down and states she does not believe she should go because she has so much more to prove, which Roxxxy agrees. Adore is then taken aside; she states she forgot what it felt like to be broken down and vulnerable in front of people judging her, which makes her have an emotional moment and tell Roxxxy that she does not belong in the competition, a point that Roxxxy disagrees with. Coco is finally taken aside and gets emotional as well. Roxxxy and she go way back and the former fears she might lose a friendship by picking Coco but the latter claims she still has something to prove in the competition. At last, we can see Detox talking to Adore, because the young queen is breaking down again and saying she doesn't belong there once more, then she describes herself as a drag musician that wears t-shirts and not a drag queen who wears gowns. Detox, like Roxxxy, disagrees and thinks Adore is a very powerful queen.

Tatianna and Roxxxy then share their lipsync to 'Taylor Swift's "Shake It Off"' once they are called to the main stage. Roxxxy wins and therefore earns the cash prize and the power to send home the girl she picked. After a brief speech, Roxxxy eliminates Coco Montrese, hence leaving Adore and Phi Phi safe. While the queens enjoy their "Let The Music Play" moment, during Coco's goodbye speech, RuPaul pops up on the Werk Room TV and begins to talk to Coco, saying her time might not be over on the show and she could still have a chance to 'Return for her Revenge'.

Eliminated: Coco Montrese
Farewell Message: WE ARE ALLSTARS! ♡ Coco Montrese
82"All Stars Snatch Game"September 1, 2016

Give me your thoughts and feedback please and if you Oppose or Support the emplimenting of this format and why. Chase (talk) 22:05, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

@MSMRHurricane, Starbucks6789, and Oath2order: Request for comment. Chase (talk) 22:07, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

I like it, but I do prefer to have all of the information like the challenge, challenge winner, prize, eliminated and other stuff like that to be at the bottom of the episode just so it's all like right there. Starbucks6789 (talk) 05:32, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

I like this format too, however I think the summary descriptions are a little too descriptive, like "RuPaul makes her entrance walk on the main stage, where she introduces judges Michelle Visage, Carson Kressley, Todrick Hall, and Guest Judge Raven-Symoné", stuff like that could be left out. And I agree with Starbucks6789, the mini and main challenges, winners, prizes and eliminated queens, all of that, should be stated at the bottom of each episodes summary with a brief, overall summary of the episode (including main challenges being mentioned) above. MSMRHurricane (talk) 23:00, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
I actually agree and eliminated other unnecessary stuff as well. I didn't want to remove too much, until I got more opinions however. I do not like the recap of the episode in the episode however, maybe we can have it in a collapsed state for a compromise? Chase (talk) 23:03, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
FOR EXAMPLE:
New Episode Format Proposal
No.
overall 		No. in
season 		Title Original air date
71"All Star Talent Show Extravaganza"August 25, 2016
Mini Challenge: Reading is FUNdamental. Each contestant will stand solo, reciting harsh critics and trying to be the funniest. Whoever is declared the winner will receive a $2000 shopping spree to L.A. Eyeworks.
Mini Challenge Winner: Alaska
Contestant Talent performance
Adore Delano Singing
Alaska Singing
Alyssa Edwards Variety
Coco Montrese Dancing
Detox Singing
Ginger Minj Singing
Katya Gymnastics
Phi Phi O'Hara A Capella
Roxxxy Andrews Burlesque
Tatianna Spoken word
Main Challenge: Each contestant will showcase their chosen talent in front of the judges and a live audience. The talent show starts off with Adore Delano, singing an original song, then moves along the girls until ending with Tatianna who performs a spoken word act. The winner will recieve Jewelry from Fierce Drag Jewels.
Top Two: Roxxxy and Tatianna.
Bottom Three: Adore Delano, Coco Montrese & Phi Phi O'Hara
Guest Judge: Raven-Symoné
Mini Challenge: Reading is Fundamental
Mini Challenge Winner: Alaska
Mini Challenge Prize: a $2,000 shopping spree to L.A. Eyeworks
Main Challenge: Perform a chosen talent in front of a live audience.
Top Two: Roxxxy Andrews & Tatianna
Lip Sync for Your Legacy Winner: Roxxxy Andrews
Main Challenge Prize: Jewelry from Fierce Drag Jewels
Lip-sync Song: "Shake It Off" by Taylor Swift
Bottom Three: Adore Delano, Coco Montrese & Phi Phi O'Hara
Eliminated: Coco Montrese
Farewell Message: WE ARE ALLSTARS! ♡ Coco Montrese
82"All Stars Snatch Game"September 1, 2016

Chase (talk) 23:08, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

  • Oppose — I am Opposing this change right now, as I feel like there's a lot of complications with the new format. Firstly, the "summary" is merely a play-by-play of the episode, which is not a summary in the least, and a lot of it reads as a bit as a fan-edit. To go from something simplistic to really overly detailed seems like such a dramatic change, that until we can hammer things out and make it work more, I cannot support this change. Especially since the current format is one that mirrors other reality competition series, such as America's Next Top Model and The X Factor, etc. The way it's being attempted to make is the form of a scripted series, and it simply is not meant to work for a reality competition series. livelikemusic talk! 02:53, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
You arguements are incorrect because they use this episode section on survivor, a reality competition seires. Also, I plan to cut out some of the fan-edit, I did not write the summary, just added it to the format. Chase (talk) 03:05, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
Sorry but to me, it is still far too expansive for a reality competition series. I don't see the need for a large setup when the current setup is more simplistic and a much more cohesive approach for this series. And if we're going to call a spade a spade, the setup for Survivor is still a more simplistic setup. In your table, you have another sub-table and other unnecessary parameters, which the contestants table already provide. livelikemusic talk! 03:28, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
Like I said, I didn't write what was in the summary, I just changed it over to the episode table format. Give me an example of how you would change it? Chase (talk) 03:42, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
I also disagree that the current system is more simplistic. I think it is too expansive, which is the whole reason I set out to change it. Chase (talk) 03:45, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
Personally, I wouldn't change to the new format, as I don't believe it's something that should be implemented. However, I am willing to mockup something that I would believe to be accepted with the [unfortunate] new proposed edit, but will provide it tomorrow or Friday. It is 11:45 PM here, and I must be heading off for the evening. I will return to this discussion, however! And just to be clear: proposing a change, and not waiting for a consensus before making said-change, is against Wikipedia policy, which is what you did. And yes, it is more simplistic. You want from a simple format to an overcrowded, and unnecessary table. livelikemusic talk! 03:47, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
To be clear, there was a consensus with the usual edittors that change these pages and reply to this talk page. So, no, I did not change it prematuraly and did nothing against wikipedia policy, thank you. Also, proposing something and changing it, like you said i did before consensus is not however against policy. You are allowed to be BOLD and make your changes. Chase (talk) 03:51, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
As someone who has also edited pages related to this series, it's clear to me that you only involved those you've editing closely with, which is a sign of WP:HAMMER. It is consensus, as you're seeking to make a mass-change, which is required to reach a consensus, which one was not found. You barely waited 24-hours before making the change, a change in which you proposed, another case of HAMMER. livelikemusic talk! 03:54, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
Do you even know the policies that you are throwing at me? WP:HAMMER has nothing to do with this situation. I found consensus, to the best of my knowledge, through the people that edit these articles and the only ones who reply. I do not edit closely with them, we all have our preferences and our fights back and forth, but we work it out, becuase no one else is going to. So those are the people who I notified, I welcomed other opinions as well. It wasn't only limited to them.
I also followed the WP:BOLD policy, "Any edit that is not disputed or reverted by another editor can be assumed to have consensus.". You reverted it, but I saw consensus already being decided and reverted again, which you then reverted. Also, "Consensus on Wikipedia does not mean unanimity". Which means consensus can be reached without everyone agreeing and 3/4 people agree to this change, which i see as a consensus.Chase (talk) 17:57, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
You opened a discussion, and waited no more than a few hours to make the changes YOU felt should be changed, and again, only waited for those YOU invited into the discussion to discuss. You are assuming consensus has been reached, but judging from the discussion above, I don't see a clear-cut decision on whether to change said-format or not. My recommendation is to wait to see if other editors within the TV Project can shed some light, or to open up this discussion at WP:TV for those who have vast experience in these kind of changes to be involved in the discussion, to gain a better overview of opinion. livelikemusic talk! 12:45, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
I mean I like it but it causes a lot of issues such as requiring someone to actually write the summary Oath2order (talk) 02:05, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
@Oath2order: isn't someone doing that already? Chase (talk) 00:51, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
@CCamp2013: inconsistently Oath2order (talk) 02:20, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
@Oath2order: So I'm not understanding, why that would be any different with the new episode section? The same problem would still exist, it wouldn't create one, one is already there. Chase (talk) 02:43, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
@CCamp2013: because without the descriptions, your proposal looks like a hot mess.

Example:

New Episode Format Proposal
No.
overall 		No. in
season 		Title Original air date
71"All Star Talent Show Extravaganza"August 25, 2016
Mini Challenge: Reading is FUNdamental. Each contestant will stand solo, reciting harsh critics and trying to be the funniest. Whoever is declared the winner will receive a $2000 shopping spree to L.A. Eyeworks.
Mini Challenge Winner: Alaska
Contestant Talent performance
Adore Delano Singing
Alaska Singing
Alyssa Edwards Variety
Coco Montrese Dancing
Detox Singing
Ginger Minj Singing
Katya Gymnastics
Phi Phi O'Hara A Capella
Roxxxy Andrews Burlesque
Tatianna Spoken word
Main Challenge: Each contestant will showcase their chosen talent in front of the judges and a live audience. The talent show starts off with Adore Delano, singing an original song, then moves along the girls until ending with Tatianna who performs a spoken word act. The winner will recieve Jewelry from Fierce Drag Jewels.
Top Two: Roxxxy and Tatianna.
Bottom Three: Adore Delano, Coco Montrese & Phi Phi O'Hara
Guest Judge: Raven-Symoné
Mini Challenge: Reading is Fundamental
Mini Challenge Winner: Alaska
Mini Challenge Prize: a $2,000 shopping spree to L.A. Eyeworks
Main Challenge: Perform a chosen talent in front of a live audience.
Top Two: Roxxxy Andrews & Tatianna
Lip Sync for Your Legacy Winner: Roxxxy Andrews
Main Challenge Prize: Jewelry from Fierce Drag Jewels
Lip-sync Song: "Shake It Off" by Taylor Swift
Bottom Three: Adore Delano, Coco Montrese & Phi Phi O'Hara
Eliminated: Coco Montrese
Farewell Message: WE ARE ALLSTARS! ♡ Coco Montrese
82"All Stars Snatch Game"September 1, 2016

So yeah. Oath2order (talk) 20:19, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

@Oath2order: It actually looks like this. Chase (talk) 22:47, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
@CCamp2013: Somehow that looks even worse. It has these weird giant empty spaces. Oath2order (talk) 02:33, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
@Oath2order: I mean we could also have it like this instead, until the episode summary is written.
New Episode Format Proposal
No.
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season 		Title Original air date
7 1 "All Star Talent Show Extravaganza" August 25, 2016

The girls make their entrances, first being Katya, then ending with Adore Delano. Once all of the 10 girls have started to get acquainted with each other, RuPaul makes her entrance. After a brief moment of congratulating the girls on coming back to fight for the crown, RuPaul states a shocking new twist to the competition: she will not be eliminating any queens this season.

Mini Challenge: Reading is FUNdamental. Each contestant will stand solo, reciting harsh critics and trying to be the funniest. Whoever is declared the winner will receive a $2000 shopping spree to L.A. Eyeworks.
Mini Challenge Winner: Alaska
Contestant Talent performance
Adore Delano Singing
Alaska Singing
Alyssa Edwards Variety
Coco Montrese Dancing
Detox Singing
Ginger Minj Singing
Katya Gymnastics
Phi Phi O'Hara A Capella
Roxxxy Andrews Burlesque
Tatianna Spoken word
Main Challenge: Each contestant will showcase their chosen talent in front of the judges and a live audience. The talent show starts off with Adore Delano, singing an original song, then moves along the girls until ending with Tatianna who performs a spoken word act. The winner will recieve Jewelry from Fierce Drag Jewels.

The queens are then critiqued on the main stage after their performances. Alyssa Edwards, Detox, and Katya are declared safe. Afterward, Adore is harshly criticized by Michelle Visage on her performance but also and mostly on her outfit, which leaves the queen feeling vulnerable. Phi Phi is criticized for giving a underwhelming performance but the opinions about her outfit are polarized. Coco Montrese is judged on her performance and outfit as well, therefore all three of them are in the bottom three. Roxxxy Andrews, Tatianna, and Alaska are praised for their performances and runway looks while Ginger Minj is criticized on her outfit and her song choice but complimented on her voice. Therefore, Ginger and Alaska are declared safe.

Top Two: Roxxxy and Tatianna.

The plot twist is then revealed to the girls; the two queens who scored the highest will have to Lipsync For their Legacy, rather than for survival in the competition. RuPaul reveals that the reason why she will not be eliminating queens is because she's going to give the winner of the lipsync the right to do it herself in addition to giving them $10,000. Before the lipsync begins, the girls have time to talk in the Werk Room.

Bottom Three: Adore Delano, Coco Montrese & Phi Phi O'Hara

Roxxxy pulls aside each of the bottom three girls and asks them how they feel. First, she takes Phi Phi; she breaks down and states she does not believe she should go because she has so much more to prove, which Roxxxy agrees. Adore is then taken aside; she states she forgot what it felt like to be broken down and vulnerable in front of people judging her, which makes her have an emotional moment and tell Roxxxy that she does not belong in the competition, a point that Roxxxy disagrees with. Coco is finally taken aside and gets emotional as well. Roxxxy and she go way back and the former fears she might lose a friendship by picking Coco but the latter claims she still has something to prove in the competition. At last, we can see Detox talking to Adore, because the young queen is breaking down again and saying she doesn't belong there once more, then she describes herself as a drag musician that wears t-shirts and not a drag queen who wears gowns. Detox, like Roxxxy, disagrees and thinks Adore is a very powerful queen.

Tatianna and Roxxxy then share their lipsync to 'Taylor Swift's "Shake It Off"' once they are called to the main stage. Roxxxy wins and therefore earns the cash prize and the power to send home the girl she picked. After a brief speech, Roxxxy eliminates Coco Montrese, hence leaving Adore and Phi Phi safe. While the queens enjoy their "Let The Music Play" moment, during Coco's goodbye speech, RuPaul pops up on the Werk Room TV and begins to talk to Coco, saying her time might not be over on the show and she could still have a chance to 'Return for her Revenge'.

Guest Judge: Raven-Symoné
Mini Challenge: Reading is Fundamental
Mini Challenge Winner: Alaska
Mini Challenge Prize: a $2,000 shopping spree to L.A. Eyeworks
Main Challenge: Perform a chosen talent in front of a live audience.
Top Two: Roxxxy Andrews & Tatianna
Lip Sync for Your Legacy Winner: Roxxxy Andrews
Main Challenge Prize: Jewelry from Fierce Drag Jewels
Lip-sync Song: "Shake It Off" by Taylor Swift
Bottom Three: Adore Delano, Coco Montrese & Phi Phi O'Hara
Eliminated: Coco Montrese
Farewell Message: WE ARE ALLSTARS! ♡ Coco Montrese
8 2 "All Stars Snatch Game" September 1, 2016
Contestant Celebrity
Alaska Mae West
Alyssa Edwards Joan Crawford
Detox Nancy Grace
Ginger Minj Tammy Faye Bakker
Katya Björk
Phi Phi O’Hara Theresa Caputo
Roxxxy Andrews Alaska Thunderfuck 5000
Tatianna Ariana Grande
  • Guest Judge: Ross Mathews
  • Main Challenge: Impersonate celebrities in the Snatch Game
  • Quit: Adore Delano
  • Runway Theme: Latex Eleganza
  • Winners: Alaska & Katya
  • Lip Sync for Your Legacy Winner: Alaska
  • Main Challenge Prize: Two VIP tickets to Cirque du Soleil cabaret "Zumanity", including airfare and accommodations
  • Lip-sync Song: "Le Freak" by Chic
  • Bottom Three: Detox, Roxxxy Andrews & Tatianna
  • Eliminated: Tatianna
  • Farewell Message: Thank You! ♡ Tati
9 3 HERstory Of The World September 8, 2016
Contestant Historical Figure
Alaska Eve
Alyssa Edwards Annie Oakley
Detox Marie Antoinette
Ginger Minj Catherine the Great
Katya Princess Diana of Wales
Phi Phi O’Hara Helen of Troy
Roxxxy Andrews Eva Peron
  • Guest Judge: Jeremy Scott
  • Main Challenge: Perform in a lip-syncing dance number inspired by legendary historical women
  • Runway Theme: Future of Drag
  • Winners: Alyssa Edwards & Detox
  • Lip Sync for Your Legacy Winner: Alyssa Edwards
  • Main Challenge Prize: Three night getaway to Palm Springs, California
  • Lip-sync Song: "Tell It To My Heart" by Taylor Dayne
  • Bottom Two: Ginger Minj & Katya
  • Eliminated: Ginger Minj
  • Farewell Message: If men can look this good, there's no excuse for ugly women! ♡ The Minj
10 4 Drag Movie Shequels September 15, 2016
  • Guest Judge: Nicole Scherzinger
  • Mini Challenge:
  • Mini Challenge Winner:
  • Mini Challenge Prize:
  • Main Challenge: Acting in parody movie sequels of RuPaul's favorite movies.
  • Runway Theme:
  • Top Two:
  • Lip Sync for Your Legacy Winner:
  • Lip-sync Song:
  • Bottom Three:
  • Eliminated:
  • Farewell Message:
11 5 Revenge of the Queens September 22, 2016
  • Guest Judge: Ross Matthews
  • Mini Challenge:
  • Mini Challenge Winner:
  • Mini Challenge Prize:
  • Main Challenge: Perform a live stand-up comedy act in front of an audience of judgemental drag queens.
  • Runway Theme:
  • Top Two:
  • Lip Sync for Your Legacy Winner:
  • Lip-sync Song:
  • Bottom Three:
  • Eliminated:
  • Farewell Message:
12 6 Drag Fish Tank September 29, 2016
  • Guest Judges: Marcus Lemonis and Graham Norton
  • Mini Challenge:
  • Mini Challenge Winner:
  • Mini Challenge Prize:
  • Main Challenge: The queens market and design drag influenced products.
  • Runway Theme:
  • Top Two:
  • Lip Sync for Your Legacy Winner:
  • Lip-sync Song:
  • Bottom Three:
  • Eliminated:
  • Farewell Message:
13 7 Family That Drags Together October 6, 2016
  • Guest Judge: Aubrey Plaza
  • Mini Challenge:
  • Mini Challenge Winner:
  • Mini Challenge Prize:
  • Main Challenge: The queens must makeover family members and vogue the house down.
  • Runway Theme:
  • Top Two:
  • Lip Sync for Your Legacy Winner:
  • Lip-sync Song:
  • Bottom Three:
  • Eliminated:
  • Farewell Message:

Bump Chase (talk) 17:53, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

List of awards and nominations received by RuPaul's Drag Race

I redirected List of awards and nominations received by RuPaul's Drag Race to this article for now, but we might want to consider forking. ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:31, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

This article is starting to get long. How do editors feel about moving the table of awards/noms to List of awards and nominations received by RuPaul's Drag Race? @Lacon432: You just updated the table and seem to edit lots of awards-related content. Thoughts? ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:55, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
Done! — Bilorv(c)(talk) 01:29, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
Looks great! Thanks for your work. ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:29, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

New Edit

The new table looks awful without the HIGHs and LOWs. Please change it back to what it was before. It's called a progress table for a reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.190.153.14 (talk) 00:14, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Reply: 68.190.153.14; You literally oppose every change to these articles so I am not surprised. Quick question, are you the user that use to be called Starbucks? Chase (talk) 00:27, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Ok but seriously do you really think that these articles don't need the HIGH and LOW? That's a part of this season, so I don't know why you deleted it. And no I'm not I have no idea who that is. And so what if I oppose things you change on the article. Would you rather have a page that looks like trash, or a page that looks good? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.190.153.14 (talk) 00:37, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Reply: 68.190.153.14; Please see: Talk:RuPaul's Drag Race (season 5)#Highs and Lows. There are no sources for who is high and who is low. It is WP:Original Research and that doesn't belong on Wikipedia. To infer, who is high/low, one must use their interpretive skills and make an assumption, again, the definition of WP:Original Research. Chase (talk) 01:07, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Every other TV show has a WIN, HIGH, LOW, some sort of bottom, and who got eliminated. Now why all of a sudden should it not be on here. There is no point of ruining these tables. So they do belong on here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.190.153.14 (talk) 20:55, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

To be fair a lot of information is original research without citations; like the prizes, order of elimination etc. In regards to reality television, removing information on the basis of original research would result in almost empty articles because all details of the challenges, order of elimination throughout the series etc would need to be cited. I personally support the use incorporating highs and lows. Kelege (talk) 06:34, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Reply to Kelege: I respectfully disagree. Most television shows rely on the source meterial as the citation. Meaning, if you watch the show you can verify, without interpretation, that the information is correct. As for the high and low, the source material doesn't state this anywhere in the show. It's actually quite the opposite, even though the contestants are in different tiers, RuPaul does say that these contestants are safe. So safe actually has a citation by the source material and High or Low does not. Chase (talk) 14:23, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
Fair point, can't argue the logic. It was just my understanding whether the "source material" is a "citation" or not it still needs to be cited otherwise it's original research and open to being challenged. Kelege (talk) 14:29, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
Reply to Kelege: I mean, we definitely could try to find cites for all the information, but I assume most of the cites would be to the videos on Logo, but seeing as we already have the Logo site referenced on the article, it would be extremely redundant. Chase (talk) 17:56, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
Don't do all that. So what if RuPaul say they're safe? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Misterdavez (talk • contribs) 15:34, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
Reply to Misterdavez: So what? The what is that we are trying to create an article or set of articles that best represents the show without putting our own interpretations on the information. We present things as they are shown, nothing more and nothing less. The only thing I can see doing is making a note or some distinction that the contestant had a chance to be in the top or the bottom, but was ultimately called safe. For instance, having an off white color desiginating "the contestant was considered for the top or bottom, but was ultimately considered safe". The one thing I agree with is that they certainly are in a different tier than the usual safe contestant, but the outcome is the same; SAFE. So my only problem was with designating them as "HIGH" or "LOW" because that is our interpretation, however much I agree with how we designated them as. I feel like my idea is the best way to appease both parties here and ultimately improves the article ten fold. Chase (talk) 17:56, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
New Contestant Format Proposal

Contestant Progress

Contestant 1 2 3 4 5 6 8 9
BeBe Zahara Benet SAFE SAFE WIN SAFE BTM2 WIN Winner Guest
Nina Flowers WIN SAFE SAFE SAFE SAFE SAFE Runner-Up Miss C
Rebecca Glasscock SAFEE SAFE SAFE BTM2 WIN BTM2 Eliminated Guest
Shannel SAFE SAFE BTM2 SAFE SAFE ELIM Guest
Ongina SAFE WIN SAFE WIN ELIM Guest
Jade SAFE SAFE SAFE ELIM Guest
Akashia BTM2 BTM2 ELIM Guest
Tammie Brown SAFE ELIM Guest
Victoria "Porkchop" Parker ELIM Guest
  The contestant won RuPaul's Drag Race.
  The contestant was the runner-up of RuPaul's Drag Race.
  The contestant was eliminated in third place without lip-syncing.
  The contestant was voted Miss Congeniality by viewers.
  The contestant won a challenge.
  The contestant had a chance to be in the top or bottom but was ultimately chosen to be safe.
  The contestant was in the bottom two.
  The contestant was eliminated.
  The contestant returned as a guest for the finale episode.
  • Comment: This is the proposal that I am bringing forth so that we can make a compromise. The color can be changed, but it shouldn't be too much different. Chase (talk) 19:10, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
@68.190.153.14, Kelege, Misterdavez, and Oath2order: Notifying users of my proposal. Chase (talk) 19:11, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
And what'll we put for white in the colorboxes below the main table? @CCamp2013: Other than that, I think it looks good. Side note, might want to check this out: (https://www.reddit.com/r/rupaulsdragrace/comments/58z5yh/theyve_removed_high_and_low_from_wikipedia_charts/) Oath2order (talk) 19:14, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
Reply to Oath2order: Oh my, it seems I have started an uproar on reddit. Good thing that reddit is completely non-relevent to wikipedia. Chase (talk) 19:24, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
Just a warning in case they come here mass-editing. You gonna go through and do the changes for all seasons? Oath2order (talk) 20:39, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
Reply to Oath2order: I plan on it, but it might take me a bit. Chase (talk) 20:48, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
Aighty just keep me posted ;P Oath2order (talk) 20:51, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
Reply to Oath2order: checkY It should be all done. Chase (talk) 21:35, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
I support the the proposal. I liked the old way as it provided more information and as a reader I could work out the entire progress of the contestant but I understand it violated the rules. Kelege (talk) 21:56, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
Reply to Kelege: I understand and I quite liked the old way too, even though the table was extremely colorful (which I hated), but the information was somewhat pleasing. However, I could not justify the information that was being presented and I had to put aside my personal feelings for the accuracy of factual evidence for the article. Chase (talk) 22:02, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
But how is this more accurate to the show? RuPaul calls out the queens as being the best or the worst; I realize it may be difficult to tangibly identify which is which, but the show makes it very clear who did the best and who did the worst. Simply writing them off as "SAFE" dismisses who did the best and worst and thus is inaccurate to what actually occurred on the show. This edit isn't productive or more factual in any way. 2602:304:B1AF:EDE0:5DE0:F2CC:929F:1838 (talk) 22:35, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Ok, so now you're going to put the contestant as HIGH or LOW, even though you guys just had a huge fit about it shouldn't be on their, but yet you put it on there but don't fill in the color to pink or lightblue... I don't get it. You might as well just fill in the color is you're going to put what they were anyways. That makes literally no sense and you guys are just contradicting yourselves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1008:B145:2256:854D:808:84EF:5D9 (talk) 23:16, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Critic's Choice Television Awards

Sorry idk how to edit the table but this year's critic's choice television awards should be added. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7th_Critics%27_Choice_Television_Awards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.104.111.82 (talk) 20:26, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

ydf? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.118.78.97 (talk) 03:24, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Episode Tables

Can we please change the episode looks. First off, I liked having what the queens did in the episode in the table like how it looked before. For example, in Episode 1 of Season 9, have a table of what queen did what Lady Gaga look. Or what the queen portrayed in the Snatch Game. I've tried everything to get them back on, but it just messes the whole table up. So can we like change the episode table or is there some way to add that information on their at all?

It would be nice but no. Episode summaries are to be between 150-200 words and usually conveys the most important pieces of an episode. Adding every single trivial detail in would definitely surpass that. Please remember to sign your comments. Brocicle (talk) 15:17, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

New series overview table

Hello!

I would like to propose a new series overview table replacing those of the tables in the current Series overview and Contestants section. Here's why:

  1. The Contestants table is getting a lot bigger season by season, and am I the only one who notices, or the table to date is already jutting out of the page? Tables are supposed to fit pages at any view without users affording to scroll left or right. I have seen a similar re-do to the table where the contestants align from right to left depending on their finish during their season and that doesn't sit well to the eyes of an average Wikipedia user. Yes, we might lose some of the intricate details once we merge it with the table from the Series overview, but we don't have to. There's the pages dedicated to each individual seasons where we can find more room to squeeze the most relevant out of them.
  2. We could get more use out of the Series overview table, and bring out a few too intricate details out and to the individual pages. We can leave the premiere date and number of episodes there for merging, and the last aired date to the individual pages per season, in the infoboxes. We can actually bring them all-out except the premiere date since all three have room in the infoboxes, but there must be something more important as to why the latter two are left in the main page, anybody? Usually shows like RuPaul's Drag Race that reproduces season after season are referred to their year it first aired, if not Season 1, Season 2, Season 3 etc. I have managed to include both the first and last aired dates in my draft.

So there's my two cents. Please let me know if you have any thoughts or ideas regarding this proposal. I'm open!

k_cms (talk) 16:13, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing this to the talk page. Personally, I think the contestant table should go all together. It's not necessary at all to have considering it's just copy and pasted the contestant tables into one for the parent article. But, if it is to stay I say we just add a scrolling mechanism to prevent the table from breaking the page. The series overview should remain how it is to coincide with every other tv series article. Brocicle (talk) 16:43, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
What if we did something with more focused information? See User:Nihlus Kryik/sandbox. nihlus kryik (talk) 14:29, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
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