Talk:Tragic Kingdom

Keyboards
Didn't Eric Stefani do most of the keyboards on this album?

POV
The information after the track listing is all POV and should be rewitten or removed. 67.187.189.139 07:19, 20 June 2006

Cover art and name
While Disney now uses Magic Kingdom primarily to brand the Orlando park, it was originally used for Disneyland in Anaheim. There's nothing obvious about the cover being an alcoholic beverage label, and there is plenty to indicate that it's a fruit crate label -- particularly the fruit, and the "Sunpist" (ref Sunkist) reference. Patrickbowman (talk) 20:47, 16 February 2008 (UTC) (UTC)

Genre
I listed the genre as "Ska-punk, punk rock, alternative rock." I don't think any of the songs are really "post-grunge." "Don't Speak" and "The Climb" are alternative rock, "Excuse Me Mr." is punk rock, "Sixteen" is the perfect example of ska-punk. I placed the hidden comment for a reason. Is there anyone else with an opinion? Tezkag72 (talk) 18:09, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * What's there is fine enough with me. Before making the change, I wanted to see what people thought about changing "American rock band" to "American third wave ska band" in the lead.  All of No Doubt's albums have had ska in them, but the term also includes the band's pop and rock styles.  More importantly, it makes the connection between Tragic Kingdom and the 1990s ska revival more apparent.  PiracyFundsTerrorism (talk) 05:32, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'd buy that. Let's go. Tezkag72 (talk) 12:27, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Will do
This article is next on my to-do list. Give me a week to finish my current project and I'll start building this up. -- Escape Artist Swyer Talk to me The mess I've made 15:09, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, I've started my major revamp. Massive coincidence it being "collaboration of the week". Help is appreciated, although I'm taking my format from No Doubt (No Doubt album) and The Beacon Street Collection and will get grumpy otherwise. -- Escape Artist Swyer Talk Contributions 15:25, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Some links that people working on the article may find helpful:  PiracyFundsTerrorism (talk) 23:31, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Don't Speak
This was released as an air-play only single in the US but was still a single. In Europe, Australia and Japan it was released as a CD in 1997. We even have a copy of its CD cover in the article. Its precise place in the album's single chronology is unsure, but it was definitely a single. I'm putting it in as the third single. -- Escape Artist Swyer Talk Contributions 20:12, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Standard
With a bit more work (such as rewriting the lead, which I'm about to do) I think this could make featured article status. There's so much information out there, it seems a shame to leave it at a GA nom. Tezkag72 and PiracyFundsTerrorism, how about we hammer this into shape and make a join-nom at FAN when it's up to scratch? -- Escape Artist Swyer Talk Contributions 19:10, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm listing this at WP:GAN as I think it is GA standard. More than likely it'll take at least two weeks for someone to have a look so, if either of you want/need to make any changes, there is time. -- Escape Artist Swyer Talk Contributions 19:55, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it's ready also. PiracyFundsTerrorism, are you up for it? WesleyDodds I think only worked on this because it was the collaboration of the week. But I am willing to put it at the top of my list until it's an FA, or at least a GA. Tezkag72 (talk) 21:19, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yay! Well, I'm just going to sit on it until its GA review rolls round and edit elsewhere. Then we'll see what needs a polish. -- Escape Artist Swyer Talk Contributions 21:39, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

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 * This is done now. Tez kag 72 01:19, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Review
This is from 34th Street Magazine : link

Clearly, as the writer admits to only being 8 when the album was released, it is a recent review (rather than being written in 1995 and only having being posted on the site recently). I say we include it as a more recent review. If we get a couple of recent reviews, we could hammer out a third paragraph in the "critical reception" section. Tezkag72, input? -- EA Swyer Talk Contributions 17:02, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Very true. Helps show the album's significance. Tezkag72 (talk) 15:41, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm looking for more "recent" reviews. Currently failing. Will keep working at the article though. Good call on the "maintained" banner. -- EA Swyer Talk Contributions 18:07, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Another thing, what were the sources you were going to use to expand the currently one-sentence paragraph in Music? Tezkag72 (talk) 18:47, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I planned to use a lot of quotations from interviews listed on No Doubt's website, such as the one about Gwen writing Just a Girl after her father got annoyed at her driving to Tony Kanal's house late at night. However, all the links at No Doubt's website are broken. I may just use lyrics and hope it isn't labelled original synthesis. -- EA Swyer Talk Contributions 19:47, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Too late. I don't know what to do, exactly. -- EA Swyer Talk Contributions 19:48, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

He got back to me! Evan Zelig emailed me back! I obviously cannot post the content of the email here, but the basic gist was that: -- EA Swyer Talk Contributions 21:58, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I've decided to layout the "music" section as per Love. Angel. Music. Baby.. "Musical style" we can take from reviews. I know there will be an issue with dead citations linking to interviews hosted at No Doubt's website but maybe we can find cached versions or the citations will be back up by the time this hits FAC. Lyrical content - comment on how Gwen rather than Eric is writing most songs and the themes (from reviews and interviews). Singles - this section is fine.
 * EA Swyer Talk Contributions 18:08, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The ref used in the "lyrics" section is a dead link. However, I've found the transcipt of the interview elsewhere, on a fan site here. As I have little choice in the matter, I'm redirecting the ref there. :) -- EA Swyer Talk Contributions 19:28, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that would count. Wikipedia has a big issue with "reliable" sources, as I learned from a failed FAC in April. Tezkag72 (talk) 20:00, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm going out on a limb and trying to contact the interviewer to see if a hardcopy of the interview was ever published. In the meantime, I shall continue to polish the "music" section, then expand the lead. If there is any reply, I should have had it by then. I'll look for other comments on the themes online too. -- EA Swyer Talk Contributions 22:48, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) The interview was never printed in hard copy.
 * 2) It was published on Zelig's site, Concert Online, which is no longer active.
 * 3) Mirrors exist, but the one that used to be at No Doubt's official site is the only official one.
 * That is unfortunate. What can we do about it now? Tezkag72 (talk) 15:59, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I want to keep it in. After all, the interviewer himself admitted its a mirror rather than a load of made-up BS. Could you find another quotation that summarises the lyrical writing? We'll keep it in until we're told to take it out. In the meantime, the broken references we have are numbers: 5, 6, 21, 24 , 27 , 28 , 42 . The Billboard ones (all but 5 and 6) simply need redirecting. -- EA Swyer Talk Contributions 17:44, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Another thing, we need to convert all the references that are just a link with a title to the "cite web" template. I'll try to get them done when I have more time, but if we're just going to remove them anyway... Tezkag72 (talk) 21:04, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Tell you what, you convert all the refs I haven't listed. I'll fix the ones that I did list. -- EA Swyer Talk Contributions 19:04, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I tried to format a few of the Billboard refs in Singles, but they are now dead links. I don't really know what page it was before, but would I be able to use this?
 * Way-hay! I've fixed all the dead refs. Could you format all the refs while I'm away (holiday in Edinburgh, Scotland with little internet access) and we'll nominate it in 3 weeks' time? -- EA Swyer Talk Contributions 01:15, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. But there were two links that were dead (thanks, Billboard Top 40 Mainstream) so instead of formatting references that didn't exist, I marked them as dead links. Not much is covered by them, so should I just remove them and the stuff that is? Tezkag72 (talk) 16:00, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, remove the info. I really hate Billboard's new layout: it's impossible to find anything! After that, I'm happy to nominate. When did you want to do so? -- EA Swyer Talk Contributions 21:36, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Final brush up
Hello from Edinburgh. I've just realised something we're missing from the article. At the bottom we have a "preceded by-succeeded by" box for Billboard number 1. We're going to need boxes like this for every major chart it went to number one at. I'm back in London Friday where I'll have proper internet. -- EA Swyer Talk Contributions 12:47, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't have much time now, but I'll try to get around to it later. Sorry I haven't been on in the past week; some squirrels chewed through a wire through which I get telephone and internet, and it took a few days to get someone to repair it. Tezkag72 (talk) 18:34, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I've fixed those deadlinks. I don't think we need those boxes, although if you could do them, that would be great. I want to nominate it. Will drop you a line at your talk page. -- EA Swyer Talk Contributions 00:06, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

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