Talk:World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade

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This article has been kept following this VFD debate. Sjakkalle (Check!)  11:31, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

17th Jan in Singapore?
I'm pretty sure WoW was released in Singapore on 16th Jan, not 17th. I personally attended the release event on 16th Jan, and got the pre-ordered game package.

Last World of warcraft Game
I saw the Feed on G4 and Leyla metioned that Burning Crusade will be the last world of warcraft game up to date and that Blizzard will work on Diablo —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.127.94.82 (talk) 21:11, 26 January 2007 (UTC).
 * Somehow I would doubt that. Blizzard knows where the money is.  They may be about to work on new Diablo stuff, but they ain't gonna hang WoW out to dry.  If anybody has a cite to back that up, though, post it. --Donovan Ravenhull 21:18, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

More over Bliz stated that players will be able to fight arthas once the level count is 90 or so. That means another 2 expansions, also arthas is in northrend which would require an expansion.

I havent seen it mentioned in a while, but Im fairly sure the plan is to release 1 expansion pack every year (Yeah right) and raise the level cap by 10 each expansion until level 100, with Arthas/Northrend being the likely final destination. TSplodey 02:01, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Wrath of the Lich King is the official web page for the newest Expansion for WoW. I doubt that Arthas is the end of it all. They'll come up with something new probably. Vedalken 16:52, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Cough* SARGERAS *cough* Grimreape513 (talk) 14:34, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I know these may have been posted years ago but i would like to mention deathwing in warcraft 2, and now all of a sudden cataclysm with deathwing, ya have to look for everything

Archiving time?
I think it's about time this talk page was archived, as it's getting pretty long. I'd do it myself... but I don't know how :/. Torte 01:39, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep Redskunk 00:54, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Right-o, I've archived it :-). I kept some of the later topics as they are still active. Torte 16:15, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Is the Elekk link really needed?
I don't think you need that link about Elekk. Someone should make an arcticle even if it's just a stub. Redskunk 00:54, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't really think the Elekk needs it's own article. Maybe an article about all the WoW mounts would do better? Torte 16:35, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Torte that WoW mounts should have their own page. Gums101 01:57, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. You can access the mounts directly though the following link; www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/basics/mounts.html So, no there should not be a WoW mount Wikipedia page. Nor should the Elkk link be there, though it should be noted as it was part of the BC expansion. Then again, so were the Netherdrakes, the flying mounts, the BE charger, and the Talkbuk. so.. perhaps a mention of several new mounts and the link I provided. Fr0 02:45, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Heh, yeah, more then anything I meant that it's preferable over an elekk article, though both are really quite pointless. Torte... of Doom! 09:12, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Well yes for most if not all the info on Wikipedia has external links but the point is to have the info on this site. So a section Wikipedia on the new mounts would be great. Gums101 14:39, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Heroic Instances
I read through the article, and however new instances are listed i believe nothing was said as to the Heroic Setting for Instances. Heroic instances make them harder and drop better loot. The Heroic Setting can only be used in instances in Outlands. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gums101 (talk • contribs) 16:23, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

If you want to be technical, its only new instances that have Heroic settings. Eg. Caverns of Time in Tanaris can be set to Heroic. TSplodey 00:12, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

True very true. Sorry bout that forgot about CoT. But other than those only Outland Instances can be set to Heroic. Gums101 01:56, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * It might just be easiest to mention that only the instances released in TBC are able to be set to "heroic" mode. In addition, all members of the party need to be in possession of the key that allows you to access heroic mode as well. --sumnjim talk with me·changes 17:38, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

a wow question
i was just wondering if you dont have the burning crusade can you see draeni and blood elves around or do you need the expansion pack to see them63.166.254.137 18:05, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Off course you can see and interact with the new races. You just can't be one of them.
 * Now, remember, this is not a forum. Wildie 18:42, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

okay i was just wondering63.166.254.137 18:59, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Maybe this article don't leave it clear (and neither World of Warcraft), but I don't know if is valid to include this clarification somehow... to me, as a fan, is pretty obvious. Wildie 19:33, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

i just have one last question do you have to have burning crusade to get to level 7063.166.254.137 18:13, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, you must purchase and activate The Burning Crusade in order to level your characters to 70.

Arenas
I feel that arenas have a bigger place in the game, so I dedided to add a few more lines on it. I decided to mention it here as opposed to the main World of Warcraft article since there was no previous mention of arenas on the main article. I think it’s a relevant improvement as the game has recently seen various changes due to arenas, and the recent arena tournaments across the globe. Chichom27 18:01, 09 September 2007

Criticism section
The Criticism section sounds more like people whining than genuine documented criticisms. Could we get some sources to document the criticism section or at least modify so it doesn't sound like the rant of a disgruntled customer? 159.140.254.52 18:05, 2 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree. This section really doesn't add anything to the article. Most of it sounds like someone's opinion, not anything that can really be proven. Metalhead0043 18:55, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I somewhat disagree. Many other games that are listed under Wikipedia have some kind of criticism, even if it is good or bad. Really, it needs a criticism section and with that some sources as well. RedKlonoa 17:36, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

A criticism section is fine but needs to be: a) unbiased (crticism can be positive and negative and both sides should be included) b) factual (no POV statements like "The new races were not recieved well by fans" - this is an incorrect POV statement.

A good place to start would be by listing a few of the game's review scores from leading magazines/websites etc with some comments from the reviews.

Sheriff Hall 15:57, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm glad you guys agreed with my edit --su<FONT COLOR="#3BB9FF">mn</FONT><FONT COLOR="#4AA02C">ji</FONT><FONT COLOR="#254117">m</FONT> talk with me·changes 18:07, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

As a note, the Criticism of World of Warcaft article needs fleshing out. If you feel that there's something Burning Crusade related, it might be better to add it there so that all WoW related criticism can be collected in one place. Gazimoff (talk) 17:49, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Numbers
Seems like there's some data missing from the opening paragraph of the article (or it needs clarification):

"It was released on January 16, 2007 at midnight in Europe, United States and Australia, and sold nearly 2.7 million copies that day, making it the fastest-selling PC game in those regions.[3] It was released on January 17, 2007 in Canada, New Zealand, South Africa, and Singapore; in total, approximately 3.1 million copies were sold across these territories in the first month of release, including 1.5 million in North America and nearly 1.2 million in Europe."

Since 1.5+1.2=2.7, there's either some data missing on the other 20-something days of the first month, and the other regions only sold .4M copies, or the article means that 3.1M copies were sold in the first month OUTSIDE North America, Europe and Australia. I don't know the right answer, but I can see that these numbers aren't adding up 82.2.118.146 17:51, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Merger of the Quel'Thalas here
As the elvish homeland has zero notability outside Warcraft, and will probably be deleted otherwise, it should be merged in here. Judgesurreal777 23:08, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it should be merged with Azeroth as it is just an area in Azeroth. Joeking16 (talk) 10:49, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The merger of Quel'Thalas by no means should be here. Quel'Thalas has been a part of Warcraft history long before World of Warcraft was even concieved, dating back to Warcraft one. Perhaps a merging with the Azeroth page does make more sense, but to me that would be like having one page for all the 50 states of America, as they all fall under the American flag. Of course this is perhaps an unfair analogy when comparing life to a video game, but is Lybia just another area of Africa? Is Asia just another area in Earth? If the Quel'Thalas page were to be merged, I'd merge it with the High Elves page, offering blurbs that link to that page on the Azeroth page, but I say leave it be. Smokachu 00:03, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Leaving it means it will be deleted entirely. In fact, it has been nominated already. Quel'thalas fails guidelines for notability and should not have an article on it's own. I agree that it should not be merged with this article as I'm sure there's a more appropiate article to merge it with.--Fogeltje (talk) 09:18, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Should the merge tag be switched to Warcraft universe then? If an appropriate course for a merger isn't set then the article will probably be deleted at the AfD. (Guyinblack25 talk 19:42, 26 November 2007 (UTC))
 * It would be more appropiate there than anywhere else, but right now the title "Warcraft universe" is wrong as it deals more with the Warcraft franchise than the fictional universe.--Fogeltje (talk) 11:31, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I proposed the merge of Quel'Thalas, based on the lead: "In the fictional Warcraft universe, Quel'Thalas was the homeland of the High Elves. The Blood Elves now occupy this region made accessible to players with World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade expansion." From this, I gathered that Quel'Thalas was a new playable area with this expansion, and thus, should be discussed in this article along with other new things this expansion provides. However, I know very little about Warcraft, and if this is incorrect please change the merge target with my blessing.  Pagra shtak  15:05, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll switch the merge location and see if anyone on the talk page there is familiar with the subject. Hopefully we can get this taken care of there because I'm actually at a loss as to what to do with it. (Guyinblack25 talk 15:57, 27 November 2007 (UTC))

X-man
What is with “X-man″ notation? I know that it is standard in WoW, but it always rubbed me the wrong way, especially since so many guys make their girlfriends play against their wills. It does not make much sense in-game either, since gender is a choice. But mainly for the sake of those bored females, we should write “X-player″ or something. Who is with me? melikamp (talk) 16:43, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

"Kil'jaeden himself"
This phrase in the article (as part of the Sunwell Plateau section) seems to suggest this character is of some significance. However this is the only mention of him in this article, and there's no specific wiki-article available if a user wishes to learn more. This guy was actually part of the reason I came to this article (there's a news story about somebody beating him "finally" so I was curious as to what the big deal was). Somebody more in the know about WoW should probably rewrite this so his significance to the Burning Crusade is more obvious to anybody not familiar with the Warcraft story. -- TRTX T / C 15:36, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I think they were talking about the most recent patch, which added the Sunwell instanceGrimreape513 (talk) 14:39, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup
Just as a note, I'm looking at cleaning up the Reception and Development sections over the next few days. I've already added the VG Reviews box to the article and hope to use these sources to provide reception information in the same section. Once that's done I'll be looking to add sourced development information. As development info is always hard to come by, if anyone has a link to an interesting article on the development of TBC, please let me know so that I can include it, either pre or post-launch. Many thanks,  Gazi moff  06:10, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I just hacked and pillaged the Gameplay section. Still none of it is cited, but it should be easier to find citations for what I left behind. --Izno (talk) 17:22, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Cleaned up the gameplay section a bit. I think this article should include information about the advent of Heroic dungeons and 25-man raids. I'll add this when I find ample sources and time. Ohgod chrishansen (talk) 21:34, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Inclusion and capitalisation of 'The'
If the official name of the expansion set is The Burning Crusade, should it not be uniformly written that way, and not as "Burning Crusade"? --F Notebook (talk) 07:09, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

WoW:BC soundtrack
Didn't Matt Uelmen compose the music for the game? 65.54.155.45 (talk) 08:08, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Is a soundtrack of World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade even available? --F Notebook (talk) 08:53, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Composition credits are listed as Composed by&#58; Brian David Farr, David Arkenstone, Derek Duke, Matt Uelmen, Neal Acree, Russell Brower and it is currently available from private sellers on Amazon.com as it is out of production. ~ <font color="800080" size="1.9px">King&#216;Lag &#8730;talk 13:57, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Races and Classes
I noticed the work list for this page needs more specific race/class information. Is there any particular way i should do this? 204.185.177.250 (talk) 19:15, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:BOLD Best way to contribute anything on Wikipedia :) ~ <font color="800080" size="1.9px">King&#216;Lag &#8730;talk 13:59, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Story
Anyone want to work out a story? It's at least somewhat significant that Doom Lord Kazakk opened the portal, Illidan was killed in the Black Temple and the whole Fury of the Sunwell thing was pretty major 173.20.181.61 (talk) 23:40, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree, this is nothing but a page containing information about the new arena and distribution errors.-Vincetti (talk) 18:33, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

I disagree completely with this, Doom Lord Kazakk was a subsidiary character at best, (at worst he is an evil villain, God knows that). I don't think his name should be mentioned at all. Least of all glorified. Illidan was a martyr, yes, but does this justify his inclusion? Including him would just be facetious. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wwweeeccc (talk • contribs) 14:54, 18 September 2011 (UTC)