User talk:Alansohn/Archive 18

Derby County F.C.
Why are you deleting my changes?????? - Stop calling me a vandel!!! - Your article is a load of rubbish so stop spreading garbage about my football club! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.132.144.130 (talk) 18:07, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Your edits to Derby County F.C. have been deleting content. Please add content, with required sources, and leave existing content unchanged. Alansohn (talk) 18:14, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Entropa
Why did you delete my edit on Entropa? I work in the Justus Lipsius building where it is displayed and have been able to take a close look at the work in question. You can check the information on Italy's part by taking a close look at this photo on the BBC website: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/7827747.stm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.247.162.29 (talk) 21:47, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Gedalio Grinberg
Number 324 (205 create/expand - 119 nominations) --Dravecky (talk) 23:16, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Nathan George Horwitt
Number 325 (206 create/expand - 119 nominations) --Dravecky (talk) 23:20, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Hey
The WWE Alumni did not have any reliable sources so that is why I deleted it it was not vandilizim.  Benton   Tigers   00:12, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Will reply on user talk page. Alansohn (talk) 04:39, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

You should not have reverted me. I worked hard and everything I said was true.

24.17.54.159 (talk) 05:31, 16 January 2009 (UTC)J. Bag.

DYK Tanen
Hello! there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath and respond there as soon as possible. --Eustress (talk) 12:11, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

asking for help
Noticed that you contributed to B.H. Carroll Theological Institute page

i have created page for it's Chancellor Russell H. Dilday, and due to my inexperience had had trouble getting it to look right.

might you help by taking a look?

thanks

ccirulli —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ccirulli (talk • contribs) 18:03, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I have made a number of changes to the article, most notably adding sources. I will continue to moniotr the article and encourage you to add any additional material about Dilday and be sure to include reliable and verifiable sources. If you have any questions about formatting, add the source and I will be happy to tweak it as needed. Alansohn (talk) 23:40, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for doing the Al Hall (Athlete) page
Just wanted to thank you for putting together the page on Al Hall back in November. I am his son, Shawn, and was very pleased to see it. I did add in the missing birthdate. I would like to add a photo if that meets with your approval.

Again, thank you.

Shawn Hall Ghosttowner33 (talk) 23:43, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note and correcting any errors. The article was my pleasure to create and to have others read. Alansohn (talk) 23:19, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for John McGillicuddy
Number 326 (207 create/expand - 119 nominations)

DYK for Claude Jeter
Number 327 (208 create/expand - 119 nominations)

DYK for Ned Tanen
Number 328 (209 create/expand - 119 nominations)

DYK for William Thomas Pecora
Number 329 (209 create/expand - 120 nominations)

DYK for Harry Kinnard
Number 330 (210 create/expand - 120 nominations)

Halle Berry's Heritage
I wonder if this should be noted about Halle heritage: Her maternal grandmother was English. Also has other English (distantly related to the Baronets Beresford, Viscounts of Tyrone, Earls of Tyrone and Marquesses of Waterford, to Barons Decies and to Baron Beresford, and to the Marquess of Campo-Maior Count of Trancoso in Portugal), Irish, German and remote Dutch ancestry.. I got this info from here: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000932/bio Thanks! Neptunekh (talk) 00:51, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * IMDb is problematic because the material can be user-update, just like Wikipedia. Try to find the material in reliable newspapers or magazines to confirm the details you found at IMDb. Alansohn (talk) 01:45, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

A request for a Bob May biography
I know this is a little odd but I know you're really good at creating/expanding biographical articles, especially for folks that have recently died so there's plenty of widely available online sourcing for them. I noticed that nobody has jumped in to expand Bob May (actor), the Lost in Space actor who died this weekend. I'd appreciate it if you could find the time to work up a suitable article for Bob May. It's bound to be just chock full of hook-y facts, perfect for a DYK nomination. Just a thought. - Dravecky (talk) 09:44, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I will do my best to go through the obis and expand the article. Alansohn (talk) 13:59, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Evelyn Lauder
Number 331 (211 create/expand - 120 nominations)

Incorrect Reversion
The change to Asahi Beer is NOT a vandalism. That IS the translation, and there is no point in providing a colloquialism without providing the translation. If there is no translation, the information is useless to non-Japanese speakers. I know it is a strange thing to call a building, but once you see it, you will understand. Check the discussion page of Asahi where I made comments about my edit.

You should not assume something is vandalism when you don't speak the language in question. I will be reverting the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.228.21.40 (talk) 04:27, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

The history of vandalism is not my fault. This is a public computer. Here are the translations of Kin (gold) and unchi (poop). No is a posessive marker. http://eow.alc.co.jp/%e9%87%91/UTF-8/?ref=sa

http://eow.alc.co.jp/%e3%81%86%e3%82%93%e3%81%a1/UTF-8/

Please revert. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.228.21.40 (talk) 04:39, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Harry Endo
Number 332 (212 create/expand - 120 nominations)

Quotable quotes?
"It's amazing what a small handful of editors with the goal of improving this encyclopedia can do to create properly sourced and thorough articles in the face of the still-festering forces of knee-jerk deletionism." :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:53, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I set this quote aside as a possible epitaph on my tombstone. Alansohn (talk) 16:24, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Jones International
Please don't send me numerous notifications (one was enough ---> more will be considered as abuse) about my mistake with formatting the content. If you want to help, make the explanations about moving pages on wiki easier then they are right now. Wiki became a sea of links in which is hard to find exactly what you need. They should come up with a section of "Help with Wiki's Help"!!!

Alex Enniss 20:57, 20 January 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexenniss (talk • contribs)
 * The second notification came after the second attempt at a cut-and=paste move. I agree that WP:Requested moves can be a bit daunting the first time, but efforts have been made to make it somewhat self-explanatory. Try to follow the steps as indicated and feel free to ask me for help in the move. Alansohn (talk) 21:02, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Smashing Pumpkins
RE: reverted edit to Smashing Pumpkins page (Dec 2008) - I agree the edit was unconstructive and should be deleted, but the edit certainly didn't come from me or my computer. I've never edited any Wiki page, this edit being my first so I hope I'm doing it properly! Regards, ram1967@bigpond.net.au
 * The edit may have been from another editor using the same computer. Alansohn (talk) 16:23, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Head Shop
RE: Head Shop reverted. I have no idea why you reverted my addition to "head shop". It's a bit of history that is getting lost in our culture. I provided a background, discussion, and signed the post; yet you removed it. I would be very appreciative if you would please put it back or provide a detailed explanation of 'why' it was removed so that I can address it personally. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me 'directly'; larrystalley@aol.com. Tks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.120.56.9 (talk • contribs)
 * Entries are not signed in articles, which attracted my attention, but the issue is that it does not have a source. i attempted to search through any reliable source -- especially newspapers and magazines -- that might support the claim, but found none, leading me to the conclusion that this was vandalism. If you have a reference that meets Wikipedia standards on reliable sources to support the claim, I woul be more than happy to assist you in adding the material, with the required reference. Alansohn (talk) 16:23, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry
I have to apologise for my editing. I can assure you that what i edited was what i thought to be relevant information for viewers of of the page. It won't happen again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.157.95.179 (talk) 19:26, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Lipari Landfill
Number 333 (213 create/expand - 120 nominations)

DYK for Charles Morgan, Jr.
Number 334 (214 create/expand - 120 nominations)

russell dilday
thanks much for your beautiful work on Russell H. Dilday. your a star ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.94.210.76 (talk • contribs)
 * My pleasure to help. The B. H. Carroll Theological Institute article was a formative part of my Wikipedia experience, and I am gald to be able to help. I will keep an eye on the article. Alansohn (talk) 05:30, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Philip De Witt Ginder
Number 335 (215 create/expand - 120 nominations)

DYK for Schillinger v. United States
Number 336 (215 create/expand - 121 nominations)

Blocked for 24 hours
I've blocked you for 24 hours, per your editing restrictions, for incivility. Your comments towards User:Good Olfactory, at this CFD and other CFDs involving him recently, have crossed the line. You have attacked the nominator rather than just commenting on the nomination, and accused him viscious insensitivity and ignorance. For his part, he has repeatedly asked you to refrain from making personal attacks. Such ad hominem attacks are not civil, fail to assume good faith, and are not acceptable, regardless of how emotionally charged the subject matter may be. Nor is it acceptable to target individuals because you disagree with them; this is not the first time you have done so in CFD, but I hope it will be your last. Please think about how you can contribute to creating a more positive and constructive atmosphere during your block. Postdlf (talk) 21:49, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * This is a pathetic joke. I can count on you to defend one of the sickest trivializations of the Holocaust I have seen in my entire life. Given that I, relatives, and friends have lost family members due to Hitler and the Nazis, it took me quite a great deal of time to write what I did at an appropriate level of discourse. Whether the block is overturned or not, I do plan to pursue sanctions against User:Good Olfactory for his sickening abuse of process in using his friendship with you to facilitate his efforts to silence criticism of one of the grossest violations of basic decency of the world's greatest tragedy that I have ever seen. That you would so readily by into his abuse of process only reflects even more negatively on you. Alansohn (talk) 23:25, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Alansohn, I recently struck out your comments at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2009_January_22 that led to the block and I've explained why underneath. However, judging by the above comments and your challenge to your block, you do not regret these comments and so I have reversed this strike out, as I would guess at this stage that that would be against your wishes. Incidentally, I have no "friendship" with Postdlf; we have had very few interactions on WP in all my time as a user. We happen to both be WP users, and I took my concerns to a person I viewed as an uninvolved administrator. Thanks, Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:14, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * My only regret about my remarks is that I did not take a stronger stance against your offensive remarks. I would strongly suggest that the action that should be taken here is to have your despicably offensive remarks trivializing the suffering of those who endured Nazi persecution outside of concentration camps. Your remarks are so grossly offensive and betray an utter disregard of the horrors of the Holocaust. Your previous trivializations of child molestation were similarly offensive, but your Holocaust remarks are beyond the pale of basic decency and good taste. Refactor your nomination at CfD and remove your shamelessly offensive statements or I will have them deleted. Again, I stand 100% by my stand against your trivialization. Let's hear your stand to justify your Holocaust trivialization. Alansohn (talk) 03:30, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I had planned on working on a few articles that I'll create offline while this punitive block passes pointlessly away, one of which is for the forthcoming Anti-Nazi Boycott of 1933 article. Rabbi Stephen Samuel Wise one of the boycott's organizers, was asked what the point of the boycott was if it did not stop the Nazis from persecuting Jews. Wise responded that "We must speak out", but "if that is unavailing, at least we shall have spoken." Some 75 years later, after six million Jews were killed by these same Nazis, the least I could possibly do would be to speak out against those who could have the gall to trivialize the experiences of those who lived through the terror of the Hitler era but were not officially admitted into concentration camps, because "any Jew who lived in Europe during the Nazi-era could technically call themself a 'Holocaust survivor'". Any decent person should be repulsed by this characterization. At least I have spoken. Alansohn (talk) 04:54, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Unblock request
Fighting a block is pointless when no administrator has the decency to address the offensive remarks made by User:Good Olfactory, ones that he still stands by, despite the clearly insensitive and provocative tone of his statements. As User:Good Olfactory refuses to recast or refactor his remarks or withdraw his CfD, despite the clarifications I have offered. I stand by remarks 100% and my only regret is that I had not taken more forceful action to address his blatant Holocaust trivialization that defames anyone who endured the Nazi era, whether in a concentration camp or not. That admins refuse to address this only adds insult to a rather grievous injury. Alansohn (talk) 01:42, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Aryeh Neier
Number 337 (216 create/expand - 121 nominations)

DYK for Gary Kurfirst
Number 338 (217 create/expand - 121 nominations)

DYK for Harold Snyder
Number 339 (218 create/expand - 121 nominations)

BLP
Please do not add unreferenced or poorly referenced information, especially if controversial, to articles or any other page on Wikipedia about living persons. Kingturtle (talk) 22:42, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Ur giving out to me
You told me my edit to Bobby Brown was reverted your stupid !!!!! i didnt even edit bobby brown page and i have never heard of him you got the wrong person you idiot now be more careful you stupid idiot !!!!!!!!! I HATE YOU!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.44.0.84 (talk) 21:28, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Just doing my job. Thanks for the note. Alansohn (talk) 21:35, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Mark Thompson
Hi, with regard to the edit, as I explained in the summary I didn't delete it, just moved most of it to BBC Controversies where it was missing and is more relevant, leaving an outline of the controversy on Thompson's page - you can't cover every controversy in depth on Thompson's page as there's not enough room! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.22.178.253 (talk) 22:07, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I do see in reviewing the edits that this was the case. Please accept my apologies for the warning as I did not see that this was happening at the time. Alansohn (talk) 22:10, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Set List
is Breatheheavy.com a reliable source..because if it isnt the set list that was reverted back on to the The Circus Starring: Britney Spears, should be removed. I think its only been reverted because an anon user took off that much content without a reason..maybe you could look in to this? but im not too sure that it is. thanks in advance..and CHEERS!!!--EmperorofPeopleEverywhere (talk) 22:25, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm betting it isn't reliable, but I'll check further. Thanks for the note. Alansohn (talk) 00:22, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Joseph P. Williams
Number 340 (219 create/expand - 121 nominations)

If it would help you
Alansohn, if it would help in any way at all with your WP life, you should know that I'm sorry that you were offended by some of my comments at CfD. As I've also told User:Historicist, it hasn't been my intent to offend you or anyone else. I think if you knew me you'd recognise that, but of course it's always relatively easy to be misunderstood in print form. Thanks, ol' buddy. Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:53, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I appreciated the note, but I was still a bit hot under the collar from dealing with the block you pushed for. I thought I'd wait a day or two to cool off a bit and see what your actions were, which speak louder than words, as always. Waking up this morning to a sockpuppet investigation that couldn't possibly have been successful, filed less than 24 hours after leaving what could pass for an apology, didn't convince me that your words pasted above were sincere. I'm still not sure what it is that you're trying to accomplish, or why you're pushing the admin who found your sockpuppet expedition to be unfounded to find something that isn't there. Since you filed this sockpuppet investigation, I've made a thousand edits, started three or four articles and nominated two or three of them for DYK. I'm more than willing to move on. It's well past time that you did. Alansohn (talk) 02:52, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I want you to know I am not pushing the admin to "find" anything, nor did I earlier push for a block against you. If my sole goal or purpose was to have you blocked, it would be quite simple for me to just block you for incivility per the restriction. But because in each case I was otherwise involved, it was appropriate for me to seek a neutral appraisal of the appropriateness of the comments that concern me. It's clear the CU was "inconclusive" (leaning more to negative) and I personally take your word on the matter. The CU result combined with your word led me to have considered the issue closed, which then left me scratching my head about the need for the points you set out there (which I feel are more examples of incivility, but I understand you may disagree). Honestly, I would have approached you personally about the issue rather than filing a CU request if I had not felt you were in a state of perpetual attack mode against everything I post on WP. My view is quite simple: regardless of how many or what type of edits anyone does—if the user can't be civil to other editors in comments and disagreements with them, the user's being disruptive. You don't have to agree with me about any substantive content issues at all—you just need to be polite about it and not assume the worst. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:09, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Incidentally, Lar just posted a message on his page where he told us to calm down and he mentioned mediation in passing. That's not something I would invite you into, but if you really want to address some sincere concerns you have about me, I would have no problem addressing any issues about myself before a neutral third party. It does little good to "put new wine in old bottles" by bringing up historic concerns every time there is a new disagreement, so if you need to air those concerns to someone, I can agree to be there to present my POV. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:16, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * If you take a look at CfD, you'll find I agree with you as often as I don't. As someone else I've disagreed with at times said recently, "Sure I said I wouldn't respond to your comments, but I didn't mean that to include when you were wrong" (maybe a slight paraphrase) and I will maintain that same privilege with you, with a good deal more restraint. I will try not to assume the worst, as you have requested, but there also needs to be a bit more balance in a process that's stacked against categories up for discussion. My suggestion to create and improve articles is intended to show that once your articles and categories are targets for deletion, you don't feel the same way deleting the work of others. Try creating an article or two. It's a lot of fun. Mediation only seems to fan the flames. Alansohn (talk) 04:17, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I acknowledge that we do agree on balance probably more often than not—it's just, as you say, they get less notice, don't they? I'm also fine when you or anybody else disagrees with me on the substantive issues; it generally doesn't bother me when a discussion proposal I make "fails", because often I think the discussion brings out some good points that I (and hopefully some others) hadn't thought of before, and often even though the initial proposal isn't carried forward, there's an agreement to rename or something for clarity purposes. So please don't hesitate to disagree just so you won't be disagreeing with me. As long as things don't get personal, I'll have no right of complaint about that.


 * Funny you should mention it, but I have been creating articles more lately; in fact, one of the of articles I recently started was just deleted via AfD this week. It was a good discussion, and one user there gave me a good idea how to approach the topic with an article of a different name, so it was worthwhile. I've also been doing some categorizing of Oceanic people by previously non-existent first-level administrative country subdivision categories—people from the New Jerseys of the Pacific, as it were.


 * I'll have to take your word on mediation, since I've never gone that route before. I can imagine it's probably not the best strategy if you're trying to let bygones by bygones.


 * Anyway, I hope you will accept my apologies for the things I've done to upset you. I'm a bit of a goof-ball, so undoubtedly some things I say in a friendly or good-natured way are interpreted differently by readers. And as I said in the CU thing, I have no problem with saying the vast majority of your editing work I've seen is very good. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:44, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Re edit reverted
i am afraid that i found you personally victimising and do not appreciate the comments you've made about me i would apreciate it if in future you dont try to contact me —Preceding unsigned comment added by X x B x x (talk • contribs) 18:30, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * This is in reference to the reversion of this edit, which I think speaks for itself. Alansohn (talk) 21:57, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for reverting the personal attack on my talk page. =) -- 21:43, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism controversy
Did you know about the Wiki vandalism discussion that's been advertised in the press? I know from your user page that you have technical ideas related to this. I've added a couple messages suggesting that it would be good to consult anti-vandalism editors (and systems analysts) about how to proceed, rather than putting it to a popular vote right away. I thought you might have your own perspective on the overall discussion. Regards, Piano non troppo (talk) 03:35, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note and for thinking that I might be helpful. I have thought long and hard about the subject and I appreciate the reminder. Alansohn (talk) 04:17, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar

 * I am truly overwhelmed by your description of my work and I can only hope that I have genuinely earned this recognition. While I am sometimes disappointed to "lose" a revert to another editor, I do hope that spending a little more time will result in a more accurate and complete removal of vandalism. Thank you for all of your anti-vandalism work and for this bit of recognition. Alansohn (talk) 05:02, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Leonard Andrews
Number 341 (220 create/expand - 121 nominations)

Sockpuppet investigation
Notice added by SPI clerk Mayalld (talk) 07:40, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for reverting my user page :) Stephenb (Talk) 12:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Aron Moscona
I've made another comment at DYK. - Mgm|(talk) 14:02, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I will continue rewording. See my response at T:TDYK. Alansohn (talk) 18:47, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Removing an AIV comment
I've started this thread to give you an opportunity to explain this if you'd care to do so. Daniel Case (talk) 16:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Still don't know how it happened, but see my response at WP:AIV. Alansohn (talk) 18:45, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I did. Sorry about that ... I don't use Huggle and I am unfamiliar with it. Clearly this is more than just a quirk, it's a bug that should be fixed. Daniel Case (talk) 15:49, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No need for an apology here. Huggle not only has changed my mindset, but it sometimes seems to have a mind of its own. I'm glad the folks from Huggle saw this going on and popped, which should be the best next step to resolving the issue. Thanks for all of your work where we cross paths, especially at both AIV and DYK. Keep up the great work! Alansohn (talk) 19:21, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! Daniel Case (talk) 04:41, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

How could you revert so fast
you must be god or something!!!! awesome --91.66.189.224 (talk) 18:09, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * This has to be one of the nicest comments I have ever received, even if it wasn't intended that way. Alansohn (talk) 18:44, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Hello
Hey dude, Nice shot on the Perez Hilton article. I was about to restore it from before that vandalism by those fools, but something was up with the refreshing, and then I couldn't even see the history past this morning's time. But that HG application you used - nice going :) Peace ~ GoldenGoose100 (talk) 18:42, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I was so pissed to see that there was still vandalism after the revert, so I went back one edit at a time to revert back to the pre-vandalism version. Thanks for the note. Alansohn (talk) 18:43, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Bob May (actor)
Number 342 (221 create/expand - 121 nominations)

DYK for 2009 Tour of California
Number 343 (222 create/expand - 121 nominations)

DYK for Brenton Butler case
Number 344 (222 create/expand - 122 nominations)

DYK for Moses S. Margolies
Number 345 (223 create/expand - 122 nominations)

A thanks for reverting user page vandalism
Thank you for noticing and reverting the vandalism to my user page. Best regards -- simxp (talk) 19:18, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my user page. --Captain-tucker (talk) 23:17, 28 January 2009 (UTC) 

Captain-tucker (talk) has bought you a pint! Sharing a pint is a great way to bond with other editors after a day of hard work. Spread the WikiLove by buying someone else a pint, whether it be someone with whom you have collaborated or had disagreements. Cheers!

Spread the good cheer and camaraderie by adding {{subst:WikiPint}} to their talk page with a friendly message.
 * Thanks for the pint! I had a bit of a challenge tilting my monitor, but it was quite refreshing, even if a bit small. For my next pint I will adjust my monitor to a larger size. Alansohn (talk) 15:48, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
I appreciate the help de-vandalizing my user page... thanks! &mdash;Noah 05:31, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Holly Coors
Number 346 (224 create/expand - 122 nominations)

Hello! there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath and respond there as soon as possible.

DYK for Shigeo Fukuda
Number 347 (225 create/expand - 122 nominations)

Reverting my Edit
Parapsychology is a pseudoscience. Why on earth is wikipedia giving it a space for its lies? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bloody21 (talk • contribs) 17:13, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Reverting edits on my talk page
You recently reverted an edit on my talk page made by. Admittedly, this user is practicing vandalism, but his edit to my page was harmless. Why revert that? Just curious. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 17:26, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I had seen his repeated vandalism and when I saw the edit it had appeared as vandalism. I tried to undo the revert and warning, but Huggle was unable to do so. This was clearly an error on my part and I had realized about a billionth of a second after I reverted. Thanks for the note and the correction. My apologies Alansohn (talk) 17:29, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Careful when reverting vandalism
Be careful when you revert vandalism, as you recently did on Apollo 11. Make sure you're not just reverting back to another vandalized level. Your anti-vandalism efforts are appreciated, though. TJRC (talk) 17:39, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * When I read the change it appeared as vandalism, and i vacillated after reading it, especially its placement in the lead. In retrospect, I agree that it may have been improperly placed, but was not true vandalism. Thank you for the note and for warning me of what is almost certainly an error on my part. Alansohn (talk) 17:43, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No, that's not what I'm saying. You were right to revert that edit.  However, the version you reverted to was another vandalizing edit.  Don't use rollback in a situation like this.  Rollback simply reverts all consecutive edits made by a particular editor.  In this case, there were two consecutive acts of vandalism, made by two different editors.  You rolled back to the first vandal's edit.  Only use rollback to get to a good edit.  The better tool here is to go into the page's history, and do a diff back to a known good version; and then use undo (not rollback) to revert to that good level.  TJRC (talk) 18:42, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Understood. I am still getting accustomed to Huggle features in dealing with situations like this, and will be more careful of such situations in the future. Alansohn (talk) 18:45, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Reliable sourcing
Then at the very least, the sources written by proponents of parapsychology should be removed from the reference list of that article. If we are looking for reliable third party sources, an article written by a parapsychologist can't be trusted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bloody21 (talk • contribs) 17:47, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * In many cases, articles would be better if they weren't edited by proponents (or opponents) of the article's subject. However, as long as there is no direct conflict of interest, Wikipedia policy allows everyone to edit almost every article. Issues of content and balance, as well as concerns of conflict of interest, should be discussed at the article's talk page. Material should not be removed before discussion in an article of this nature. Alansohn (talk) 17:51, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I guess I should probably learn my lesson after seeing this edit, in which User:Bloody21 changed the article for Fecal Matter (band) to read "see Feces. Oh, and Alansohn is a purveyor of pseudoscience for not stating blatantly that it is one in the parapsychology article." Alansohn (talk) 01:00, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

User page
Thanks for the revert. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 19:18, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Haskel Lookstein
Number 348 (226 create/expand - 122 nominations)

DYK for Joseph Lookstein
Number 349 (227 create/expand - 122 nominations)

Bacon Explosion
I know you're more of a biography writer but if wanted a short break from the recently deceased I bet you could take the tiny, newly-created stub article about Bacon Explosion and craft an interesting article out of it, more than suitable for DYK. Heck, the New York Times article alone should make this workable. Just a suggestion. - Dravecky (talk) 21:58, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
for the vandalism revert. --Kbdank71 03:34, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Always a privilege to help another vandalism fighter. I think you had just done a revert on my user page (something about bagels, if I recall), so I extend my thanks to you as well. Alansohn (talk) 03:38, 30 January 2009 (UTC)r

Dead center
Man you really hit the nail on the head with this one. Cheers, Alcmaeonid (talk) 15:52, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know how you found this, but every time I re-read it I'm all the more baffled as to why we make vandalism so easy. Thanks for reading and responding. Alansohn (talk) 16:20, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Regarding the undo of article 24
Please check this article24 yourself before reverting into vandalized version. Cluebox reporting system isn't working. Otherwise I'll file a report rather than just undoing cluebox's change.--Afya (talk) 19:12, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Lorene Rogers
Number 350 (228 create/expand - 122 nominations)

DYK for John Brooks (writer)
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Leon Klenicki‎
Thank you for expanding the stub. Bongo matic  01:39, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Nora Kovach
Number 352 (229 create/expand - 123 nominations)

Vandalism!?
my editing of cloverfield was completely factual. As a doctor I have personal experience with people fainting and in somecases drowing in their own vomit after seeing cloverfield.

I suggest you do your research before deleting my edits.

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 * I look forward to seeing the sources about viewers drowning in their own vomit. Alansohn (talk) 02:42, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Panarican
I came across this page just now and I noticed that another user suggested deleting it. I "blanked" the page as the bot told me but this does not seem to delete the article. Then, your auto-response system told me I "vandalized." There was no vandalism, just and attempt to delete a page. I read the criteria for deletion, and this article *more* than qualifies. I have not edited Wikipedia before; how do I delete a page the right way? I also plan on registering as a user soon. Thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.74.125.107 (talk) 03:35, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the warning. Make sure to include an edit summary that explains that you are blanking the article in advance of deletion. Alansohn (talk) 03:39, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Reverting template vandalism
Hi, I was trying to revert what appeared to be vandalism to this template. My change appeared to work, but I don't see it reflected in the articles that use that template. Also, second question, there were links to products that Carey endorses, and that seemed inappropriate. Thoughts? Piano non troppo (talk) 05:41, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You may need to refresh your cache after a template change as your browser may pull in an old copy. Regarding produce endorsements, I find that hard to understand, but I would check on the template talk page and get feedback. Alansohn (talk) 05:44, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Whacks self in head. Laughs. THANK YOU. Piano non troppo (talk) 06:13, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Constance Cook
Number 353 (230 create/expand - 123 nominations)

DYK for Franz Leichter
Number 354 (231 create/expand - 123 nominations)

DYK for George Michaels
Number 355 (232 create/expand - 123 nominations) NOTE: This DYK was added manually for a missing entry in the triple with Constance Cook and Franz Leichter

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Mary Pat Christie
Good morning. Thanks for the fixes at Mary Pat Christie. Do you have any interest in nominating it for DYK? All the best,E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:54, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * , this is your article. Whatever fixes I made are too minor to consider. I hope that you will nominate this on your own as there are a few good hooks that pop out. Alansohn (talk) 16:47, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * There are some great hooks, but I always get tangled up in the code at DYK, so I may not.  Thanks, though.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:52, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * , this is your article, but I will be happy to nominate it on your behalf if you insist. Alansohn (talk) 16:56, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * That would be very kind. By the by, IMO she's the most impressive of this year's candidate spouses - Bill Clinton excepted.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:08, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * , see Template:Did you know nominations/Mary Pat Christie and let me know if I'm on the right track. I was surprised not to be able to find a photo of the two of them. I'd love to see a 2016 presidential race of Bill Clinton vs. Mary Pat Christie. Alansohn (talk) 19:23, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I did suggest an ALT.  I also searched Wikimedia for a photo; fruitlessly.  Someone must have a snapshot of her.E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:11, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Longevity articles
Hi Alansohn,

The trouble at the WOP project continues. One editor has taken it upon himself to make drastic changes to longevity-related articles (like these   ), and pushing to delete lists of the oldest people by country, even though this same user was previously arguing to delete biographies because "the information would be better on a list". If you have any time to look over this, it would be appreciated. Thanks! -- Ollie231213 (talk) 16:45, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Kindly don't misrepresent my efforts to consolidate overlapping lists into a few manageable ones. Your post here could be seen as canvassing. Legacypac (talk) 07:47, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * , per WP:Canvassing, "An editor who may wish to draw a wider range of informed, but uninvolved, editors to a discussion can place a message at any of the following:... On the user talk pages of concerned editors. Examples include: Editors who have made substantial edits to the topic or article; Editors who have participated in previous discussions on the same topic (or closely related topics)". I don't see that there is any issue here. Can you point to any aspect of WP:CANVAS that would be relevant? Alansohn (talk) 13:33, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

It's called Campaigning on WP:Canvassing and it needs to stop. Legacypac (talk) 13:40, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * , per Canvassing, do you really believe that the editor is trying to sway me through this message left here? Not a chance. Alansohn (talk) 13:57, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

He seems to be trying to sway a decision elsewhere. Please reread. Legacypac (talk) 14:01, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * , (a) there is neither canvassing nor campaigning; this was a single note to another editor with a shared interest. (b) were you the target of 's classic personal attack "Can you fucking learn to indent your post like everyone else"? Alansohn (talk) 14:15, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes,, please fucking learn to indent your posts like everybody else, because Alansohn loves a red herring. EEng (talk) 15:20, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, now the gang's all here., there's something -- is it hilarious, or perhaps ironic -- in an editor making three dozen edits in the past two weeks to WT:CIVILITY who is one of Wikipedia's most uncivil editors, while his chief collaborator recapitulates the exact instance of one of the most pathetic personal attacks by said editor on the critical subject of... indentation? The irony is delicious. I'm sure that you'll provide further hilarity by making additional uncivil personal attacks while refactoring other editor's edits and classifying those improperly as personal attacks. Maybe you'll edit war over a personal attack that labels an editor with more than 2,000 edits as an SPA. At least you're keeping your sense of humor about this. Alansohn (talk) 15:45, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * spas refers not to a "sockpuppet account", but a "single-purpose account". Ollie certainly is the latter, and his large number of edits, all in a single topic area, only reinforces that as it grows larger. Such editors are routinely so labeled in AfDs and other discussions, as you know. Thanks for the opportunity to clear up this confusion. EEng (talk) 16:15, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, spas amply applies to you and your single purpose edits; it seems a poor match for poor old Ollie, who has been mislabeled repeatedly by you, despite his thousands of edits in a broad range of areas. Alansohn (talk) 16:21, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Hahahahahahaha! It's good to see you're keeping your sense of humor as well. But now that everyone's clear on what's going on, I'm afraid I must bring this charming tête-à-tête to a close. 17:14, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I am so sorry - I got turned around. Ollie was not canvassing across talk pages Alansohn was responsible for this:
 * 18:44, 14 December 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+453)‎ . . User talk:Earflaps ‎ (notify re repeat AfD)
 * 18:43, 14 December 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+453)‎ . . User talk:Ejgreen77 ‎ (notify re repeat AfD)
 * 18:42, 14 December 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+453)‎ . . User talk:Dravecky ‎ (notify re repeat AfD)
 * 18:42, 14 December 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+453)‎ . . User talk:Artw ‎ (notify re repeat AfD)
 * 18:41, 14 December 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+453)‎ . . User talk:Rhododendrites ‎ (notify re repeat AfD)
 * 18:40, 14 December 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+453)‎ . . User talk:Johnpacklambert ‎ (notify re repeat AfD)
 * 18:40, 14 December 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+453)‎ . . User talk:ThaddeusB ‎ (notify re repeat AfD)
 * 18:39, 14 December 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+453)‎ . . User talk:Davey2010 ‎ (notify re repeat AfD)
 * 18:38, 14 December 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+453)‎ . . User talk:Legacypac ‎ (notify re repeat AfD)
 * Have a happy day. Legacypac (talk) 18:18, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * , I really suggest you not worry about it. Let Alansohn alone to carry on as he pleases. This has happened before, and everyone knows what's going on. EEng (talk) 18:35, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Legacypac, per Canvassing, "The audience must not be selected on the basis of their opinions—for example, if notices are sent to editors who previously supported deleting an article, then identical notices should be sent to those who supported keeping it." Notice was sent to you and every other participant in the previous AfD. The only person I did not notify who had participated at the previous iteration was someone who voted for retention but who is in the middle of a lengthy block right now. If you believe that there is any aspect of policy that I didn't comply with, go to WP:ANI, go directly to ANI. Thanks to Kudpung for closing Articles for deletion/Ashley Golebiewski (3rd nomination) appropriately as "keep" and hopefully this forestalls AfD 4 for this article. EEng / Legacypac, maybe for our next collaboration we could work with Ollie and improve some of his soccer articles. Alansohn (talk) 18:44, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Mario Trafeli
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DYK for Mary Pat Christie
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Hangover Park edit
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A beer for you!
, I'll drink to that. The best to you for 2016. Alansohn (talk) 14:31, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Thankyou again
Hi Alansohn,

Thank you for your statement at Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement. My topic ban was enacted totally unjustly. You have seen the trouble the EEng and LegacyPac (among others) are causing and I firmly believe it is them who are acting against Wikipedia policy, not me and 930310. I would certainly support "boomerang nominations" and will be appealing my own topic ban. -- Ollie231213 (talk) 21:57, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
 * , it's the least I could do. Alansohn (talk) 12:26, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

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Sockpuppet investigation
Legacypac (talk) 22:58, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Legacypac, you just gotta cool it. This is getting ridiculous. Alansohn may be a [redacted] and a [redacted], and sometimes I find him [redacted], but there's no reason to think he's sockpuppeting. EEng (talk) 02:33, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
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Nomination of Green Party of New Jersey for deletion
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Please reconsider your redaction...
on the recent longevity afd. In my view, it is not a personal attack to make note of the likelihood that an SPA is, in fact, a topic-banned editor, given the context. The comment and edit history match the recurring pattern of sanction-evading editors in this topic area. I was a party to the initial ArbCom case. The off-wiki coordination of GRG and 110 Club partisans is a matter of record. This was, and remains, their S.O.P. Thanks. David in DC (talk) 21:37, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
 * , there is a mechanism to report sockpuppets and this mechanism is not being used. No evidence is offered to support the claim and this comes off as just another effort to provoke an editor, not unlike the repeated SPA attacks that have been made by the same editor in the recent past. If you have the evidence to back up this claim, feel free to file a checkuser. Otherwise it's just a run-of-the-mill unsupported personal attack of the kind that gets blocks for people in the Longevity area broadly construed. Legacypac appears to have a tactic to endlessly repeat the same rejected arguments and provoke editors into falling into the trap of making a response that triggers yet another request for enforcement action, using an attrition tactic to eliminate other editors, and to my eye this appears to be at work here yet again. What needs to be done in these mass AfDs is to have editors make their best case the first time and have admins consider the arguments, wherever they come from. Alansohn (talk) 21:51, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
 * We disagree. Thanks for your consideration and response. David in DC (talk) 21:53, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
 * , as we are both entitled. I would hope that much of the drama at these AfDs could be addressed by a one-post rule; Make your pitch, make it as good as you can and then wait until the matter is closed by a competent and independent admin. AfDs such as the one for Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_Australian_supercentenarians, where EEng made a whopping 15 edits and Legacypac an eye-opening 27 edits in an unsuccessful edit to sway consensus are indicative of this problem, and many of these edits at this AfD are the repeated little pokes and jabs that do little more than provoke a response and the inevitable jaunt to Arbitration Enforcement. Alansohn (talk) 22:03, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Alansohn - please do not play fast and loose with the truth. I only participated in one ArbComm enforcement and started one. Both included diffs that were quite removed from my edits. Kindly stop with the personal attacks and casting asparations. Legacypac (talk) 05:05, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
 * , you have been a consistent disruptive force across Wikipedia, particularly in Longevity related articles. Your consistent harassment, mindless repetition of arguments and personal attacks are the major factor behind this disruption. Your characterizations of editors including 7&6=thirteen and Ollie231213 as single-purpose accounts were and remain inaccurate provocations. Your opening of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Alansohn, which was closed as utterly baseless about as soon it was opened, is a shameless abuse of process. It's well past time for you start learning how to behave. Alansohn (talk) 05:14, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

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January 2016
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Midtown Bridge
Would you happen you know anything about the status of Midtown Bridge (Hackensack River). Any additional info added to article about 2016 would be helpful. Thanks Djflem (talk) 19:44, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * , I know that there has been road construction and some detours in the area as of late, but I don't have any more current news specific to the structure nor do I see anything in the usual sources. I'm sure that I'll be driving over the Midtown Bridge at some point over the next few days and I will check to see if anything should be added to the article. Other than that, the article appears to be in far better shape than the bridge itself. Kudos on your work here and on all of your contributions across New Jersey. Alansohn (talk) 18:19, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Agree
I Agree with your Perspective. Lenience is for growth on Wikipedia. FocusInRegard (talk) 10:00, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

DYK nomination of New Jersey State Guard
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Just to let you know, my topic ban appeal failed... No one actually refuted the arguments I put forward, but instead put their fingers in their ears and continued to spout out the usual prejudiced bullshit. It's no wonder that Wikipedia has the reputation it does when cretins like these are charge... It's ASTOUNDING that these people have no understanding of the concept that different sources can be more reliable than others in certain situations. Currently the List of oldest living people article is an original research list, and implies that Masamitsu Yoshida is the world's oldest man... but no outside source reports this. Do Wikipedia editors now decide who the world's oldest people are? God forbid I might suggest that the list should be based on the most reliable, authoritative source, so that we don't get fraudulent age claimants mixed in... Oh but no, that's "POV-pushing" and "advocating for the GRG". Just say the word "GRG" and most editors seem to have a fit. The result of my appeal was effectively decided before I even started. And what kind of judicial system is this? Just anyone can turn up when they want, meaning a very biased set of opinions were put forward. What a joke. -- Ollie231213 (talk) 22:50, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Ollie, you know that I've fought for this issue in synch with your goals and objectives. I have been severely limited in the time and effort I could devote to his issue over the past several weeks, but as I ramp up I will continue to ensure that the efforts to combat bias and abuse of process will continue. Alansohn (talk) 00:16, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I know, I appreciate it. Thankyou. -- Ollie231213 (talk) 16:47, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * P.S. I'm banned but is not... despite subverting proper deletion processes, using WP:IDONTLIKEIT to argue that longevity is not noteworthy, and saying that the claim of Methuselah (supposedly 969 years old) is "more reliable than most claims to living 120 years recently." This guy gets away with violating Wiki policy and POV-pushing, but I'm banned for resisting it and fighting anti-scientific, anti-age validation bias? Pathetic. -- Ollie231213 (talk) 17:30, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Also, I asked him why he made these edits while logged out (it's almost certainly him as the IP traces to British Columbia and he has done the same kind of thing before... But he keeps reverting my edit on his talk page and refuses to answer. -- Ollie231213 (talk) 17:55, 15 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Alansohn you are encouraging a topic banned user who continues to discuss the topic they should not discuss. In addition you are an uncivil often wrong editor whp likes to level unsubstantiated allegations. You are encouraged to leave me alone. Ollie - topic banned means topic banned, not "discuss the topic, try to get others to do things for you on the topic, and attack other editors in other places". I answered you by taking your nonsense off my talk page multiple times. Go edit another area and leave me alone. Legacypac (talk) 21:50, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh, but it was clearly substantiated "nonsense" wasn't it? I was just asking why you were editing while logged out. There was evidence to suggest it was you. But you didn't answer, just deleted my comment. Oh, and what exactly was I trying to get Alansohn to do? I didn't ask him to do anything. I'm discussing the topic-ban itself, not longevity as a topic. -- Ollie231213 (talk) 23:48, 15 February 2016 (UTC)


 * , to be clear, the part of your statement above that says, Currently the List of oldest living people article is an original research list, and implies that Masamitsu Yoshida is the world's oldest man... but no outside source reports this. is a statement not about your topic ban but about the topic you are banned from discussing. 99.236.126.9 (talk) 00:19, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

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Here and on another page, you listed the birthplace of Ronald Naldi, complete with a quote from the source (a New York Times article). However, this source doesn't seem to mention Naldi at all. I checked the wayback machine, and even the version of that article when you made that edit doesn't mention him, nor does the quoted phrase appear anywhere on the internet outside of Wikipedia mirrors, so far as I can tell. Someguy1221 (talk) 02:34, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

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If you persist in making edits like these, I will block you from editing. Be wp:civil or be gone. Rklawton (talk) 13:44, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
 * , deal with the stalker, not the one pointing out the problem from the stalker. But anyways, thanks for the threat. I'm really, really scared. Alansohn (talk) 14:02, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
 * You were warned. Next time it's a block. Rklawton (talk) 16:55, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
 * , and your warning doesn't impress me. P.S. Use an extra indent to show that your response is to a previous comment. Alansohn (talk) 22:41, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Please stop
Sarcasm is no more appreciated than your racism and vulgarities. Please leave me alone, stop stalking me. Jacona (talk) 19:49, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
 * , notice that I don't follow you from article to article. I have never -- not once, at any time -- edited an article that you have edited that I never edited before. Please get lost and harass someone else; I've had enough of your bullshit in general and your false claims of racism. Please get off my fucking back once and for all. Alansohn (talk) 20:17, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
 * This is the last time I will post here, unless required by Wikipedia policy. I have never followed you from article to article, and if you look at all of my edits, you can easily see I have not. If editing an article you have previously edited for the first time is harassment, articles would only be edited by the creator, but as you well know, Wikipedia does not work that way.  I believe that you've edited almost every New Jersey school and location article, so using your definition, you claim anyone else who edits anything about New Jersey is harassing you. If your accusations were at all true, I'm sure you would know exactly how to take it to the authorities.  Nobody would buy it, because it's silly.  I plan to continue to edit New Jersey articles from time to time, not to trespass on what you seem to feel is your personal territory, but to improve the encyclopedia.  For many of these articles, my next edit will be my first.  I hope you will not view this as an attempt to challenge your authority, but to improve the articles. If so we can both improve the encyclopedia. If you continue to make personal attacks, use vulgarities, racial epithets, ignore consensus, etc., I will have an issue with that.  You are a talented editor, and in one of the few times I have commented on a discussion at a noticeboard, I defended you when they were considering a block.  In spite of your bullying, I believe you do some good work, and I hope you can leave your animosity behind and stop the personal attacks. Jacona (talk) 20:43, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Take a look at the edit history of the article Cooper Union. I edited the article, which I had edited before. You then edited the article, less than three hours later. Page history statistics show that you never edited the article before. Cooper Union is located in New York. It's not in New Jersey. This has nothing to do with a high school. It seems to be rather shameless stalking. Whether you mean it or not, my perception is that you've been harassing me. This needs to end, not just the stalking, but the perception thereof.You too have made productive edits that improve articles, and I've thanked you for it on several occasions, as a show of good faith on my part. I am more than happy to find a way to work together, but it takes two. Try to find a way to show some good faith here and it will be reciprocated. Alansohn (talk) 20:54, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

New City Village
Hi Alansohn, hope you are well! I added a cat. to this NJ-related article a while back and have been watching it. It has been tagged for 9 years as needing verification. I've looked and found perhaps one reliable source, here. As written it seems to be little more than urban legend with links to original research. Do you think there is anything here worth saving? I am considering PROD'ing it but wanted to ask what you think first. Regards, Accurizer (talk) 02:38, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
 * , I agree about the issue. It doesn't appear to merit a standalone article. I say that the little verifiable content should be merged into the West Milford, New Jersey article and NCV turned into a redirect. Any thoughts? Alansohn (talk) 04:50, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Sounds like a good solution to me. Thanks for your input! Regards, Accurizer (talk) 22:05, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I completed a merger. Feel free to hack away at it! Regards, Accurizer (talk) 23:16, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Circus Drive-In
Do you have an opinion about this recently prodded article about a classic drive-in in Wall Township? I note that it shows up in assorted books about Jersey food landmarks, but your thoughts would be appreciated. Best,--Arxiloxos (talk) 23:41, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Hillsborough proposed move
Concerning this move, i think it would be better served if I seek your opinion on this matter. Winterysteppe (talk) 03:42, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

County Inter-Census updates

 * Alansohn, I think a favorable precedent has been set in the county infoboxes with your changes on the Burlington County, New Jersey article. Feel free (obviously) to update the other New Jersey counties as such. I would encourage favoring the QuickFacts ref only to facilitate updates in successive years at points where the reader only needs the most current estimate as well as the 2010 estimate, rather than all intervening years' data, given that the QuickFacts citation automatically updates itself yearly, minimizing the editwork. Thanks again, Castncoot (talk) 22:08, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I've updated Atlantic and Burlington and will work my way through. I have been using both the QuickFacts and the 2015 Census links, recognizing that the same small changes needed to update the links also need to be applied to the data in the text. Do look at the California county articles, which use the Infobox settlement, which is far more robust than the county Infobox used in New Jersey and in the New York and Connecticut articles you've updated. Alansohn (talk) 22:35, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, I had noticed that the Infobox settlement template had been used for the California articles. Just as a follow up, I've changed over all of the NJ counties using your general format, with the exception that I've used only QuickFacts as the infobox citation. If you feel strongly, by all means, go ahead and add the American FactFinder citation as well, I certainly won't take offense! Best, Castncoot (talk) 23:35, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Photo requests in New Jersey
Hi!

Do you know any NJ-based editors (especially in north Jersey) who are interested in doing photo requests? WhisperToMe (talk) 02:34, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd be interested, and I can see if any other editors are as well. Alansohn (talk) 00:45, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok! Do you want me to post a list? WhisperToMe (talk) 02:02, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Please do. Alansohn (talk) 04:03, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Okay! Here's an initial list
 * Edison:
 * Edison Township Public Schools headquarters: 312 Pierson Avenue Edison, NJ 08837
 * Headquarters of Kam Man Food: 511 OLD POST ROAD EDISON NJ 00817
 * Elizabeth:
 * Elizabeth Public Schools headquarters: 500 North Broad Street Elizabeth, NJ 07208
 * Elizabeth High School - 600 Pearl Street, Elizabeth, NJ
 * Offices of Wakefern Food Corporation - 505 Division Street Elizabeth, NJ 07207
 * Jersey City:
 * Jersey City Public Schools headquarters: 346 Claremont Avenue Jersey City, NJ 07305
 * Headquarters, Goya Foods, Inc., 350 County Road, Jersey City, NJ
 * Keasbey: Headquarters of Wakefern Food Corporation - 5000 Riverside Drive Keasbey, NJ 08832
 * Lyndhurst: H Mart headquarters - 300 Chubb Ave. Lyndhurst, NJ 07071
 * Oakland:
 * The New Jersey Japanese School - 117 Franklin Ave, Oakland, NJ 07436
 * Oakland Public Schools headquarters - 315 Ramapo Valley Road Oakland, NJ 07436
 * Dogwood Hill Elementary - 25 Dogwood Drive Oakland, NJ 07436
 * Heights Elementary - 114 Seminole Avenue Oakland, NJ 07436
 * Manito Elementary - 111 Manito Avenue Oakland, NJ 07436
 * Valley Middle - 71 Oak Street Oakland, Nj 07436
 * Indian Hills High School - 97 Yawpo Avenue Oakland, NJ 07436
 * Ramapo Indian Hills Regional High School District headquarters - 131 Yawpo Avenue Oakland, NJ 07436
 * Parsippany-Troy Hills, New Jersey:
 * Headquarters of Wyndham Worldwide - 22 Sylvan Way Parsippany, NJ 07054
 * Secaucus: Goya Foods, Inc. former headquarters: 100 Seaview Drive Secaucus, NJ 07096
 * Short Hills: Headquarters of Dun & Bradstreet - 103 John F Kennedy Parkway Short Hills, NJ 07078

If you want me to post more I can add more items :) - I am very interested in the Japanese school building as I don't yet have a photo of a nihonjin gakko in the United States WhisperToMe (talk) 18:15, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll try to make a start with the Oakland and work my way south as best as I can, as well as trying to find other volunteers in other areas. Alansohn (talk) 20:32, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! WhisperToMe (talk) 02:46, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Confusing 3RR case
See Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring which you filed. I was about to go ahead with a closure, but don't understand how it happens that you are filing the complaint. If you don't mind, can you tell me how this dispute came to your attention? You do not seem to have played a role in any of the article content. You don't seem to have edited the article or the talk page. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 20:11, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
 * , it's an article that I've edited a numbers of times in the past that remains on my Watchlist. After seeing a first wave of edit warring and assuming it stopped, and then a second wave of edit warring the next day with edit summaries like "The fucking fact that these fucking facts are *sourced*, are about the Clooisters, and cannot be removed without consensus" -- all within a 24 hour span -- it seemed like it might be appropriate to end the matter once and for all. Alansohn (talk) 20:18, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

What's so fun about backwards and repetitive?
I thought I did some fine work that you undid here. Time naturally flows forward, and years typically come before the thing they describe. In a section called "Government", "government" is implied in subsections. Highways and roads are part of public transportation, but distinct from public transit. Anyway, keep it if you'd like, but it seems the wrong thing to do. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:43, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I was looking at the edits and used an old version. While I do agree that we tend to see time flowing forward, the 2010 data is the most current, with the 2000 information as a backup, hence the order. Alansohn (talk) 21:46, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Reasonable enough. "Census 2010" is terrible, any way you slice it. I'll revert that much, leave the rest to you (and the rest of them). InedibleHulk (talk) 21:57, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
 * As much as I hate it too, the United States Census Bureau uses "Census 2010" pretty consistently, using it as a proper noun. Alansohn (talk) 22:04, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Are you attempting a mind trick, or is that a typo? Mind tricks don't work on Macs; I see "2010 Census". Whether you want to go with proper nouns is something only you can decide, but there shall be no fooling readers into the wrong way around. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:38, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

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Serious question about New Jersey naming on Wikipedia. Does the MOS explicitly say that the artcile for a town has to be "xxx township", instead of just "xxx" town. Winterysteppe (talk) 17:11, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
 * , there is no such requirement that I've seen in the MOS. In those states with townships, the standard is to use the "xxx Township, New Jersey" format (usually with the county included as a disambiguator), such as at Category:Townships in Illinois, Category:Townships in Indiana, Category:Townships in Iowa, Category:Townships in Kansas, Category:Townships in Michigan and Category:Townships in Pennsylvania. We're far more relaxed on that standard in New Jersey, and the titles for most articles (townships included) have been stable for a decade or longer. Some townships always use the "xxx Township, New Jersey" format, for various reasons, such as to differentiate between a doughnut municipality with the same name (e.g. Chester Township, New Jersey / Chester Borough, New Jersey) or because that's the standard usage (e.g. all of the places named Washington Township, New Jersey) or because there is a neighborhood that shares the same name in or outside the township. There are plenty of townships that don't use that format, such as Irvington, New Jersey and West Milford, New Jersey. There are other situations where it may be appropriate to add or remove the word "township" from the article title, but that should only be done after obtaining clear consensus. WT:NJ is a wonderful place to go to in order to maximize participation, but the better way to do this would be to come up with an overall schema rather than one township at a time. Alansohn (talk) 20:07, 11 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Ah a very good explanation. It would seem good that the standards are relaxed as you said although it 100% does not affect the pages at all. I'll go to WT:NJ and propose Whether is appropriate to rename some of the places to add or remove "township". . Winterysteppe (talk) 05:16, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

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Linaclotide
Hi A Talk page discussion has been initiated at linaclotide regarding the proposed text for this article. I would welcome any input. I politely contend to you that removal of this content is consistent with WP:MEDRS policy. FeatherPluma (talk) 19:19, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi The Talk page discussion is updated. There is a detailed explanation. WP:AGF, I am guessing that perhaps you are a bit unfamiliar with WP:MEDRS, or with its underlying reasoning and implications, or thought it did not apply, or for some reason missed the rationale in my edit summary, here, and on the Talk page. I making this guess because it would account for how you approached things. Of course, there may be some other issue that I am missing. When you have a moment, please comment further about the content in question. Thanks. FeatherPluma (talk) 22:39, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
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Talk:Trenton, New Jersey/GA1
Please come here soon. I wonder if you received my ping. Thanks, Sainsf  (talk · contribs) 01:49, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * , you were remarkably thorough in your comments. I'm a bit daunted, but I will start editing the article as soon as I can and mark up the review with my updates. Alansohn (talk) 03:14, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't be worried. You can work at your pace on the article, and the review will remain open so long as you keep updating it. I truly appreciate your efforts, but appears I spotted quite a few glitches. Sainsf  (talk · contribs) 04:05, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Hello
I wanted to say Hello. I am also interested in working on NJ pages.

Wasickta (talk) 18:42, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * , welcome aboard. Let me know if I can help with anything. Alansohn (talk) 18:47, 2 May 2016 (UTC)


 * I am new to this Wikipedia stuff. Trying to figure out if it is possible to change the article Society Hill, Middlesex County, New Jersey to be Society Hill, Piscataway, Middlesex County, New Jersey. With the current way the article is indexed, it doesn't appear on google searches. Wasickta (talk) 18:54, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * , the Wikipedia standard to name articles for places is "placename, state". If there are more than one place with the same name, it would be "place name, county, state", as was done here. Alansohn (talk) 18:58, 2 May 2016 (UTC)


 * So there is no way to have the word Piscataway be in the heading? Hmmm... most people would usually google "Society Hill Piscataway" and will never see this article. Shame Wasickta (talk) 19:08, 2 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Hey Alan, sorry to bother you. See this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_Hill,_Philadelphia. Is it possible for us to make it Society_Hill,_Piscataway? That seems more appropriate for indexing. Thanks ahead of time. Wasickta (talk) 21:10, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * The model for Society Hill, Philadelphia is only done in big cities, the kind that are known on a first name basis. I'm restoring the source at the RFHHS page, which comes from a newspaper. The website is used as host for copies of the paper. Alansohn (talk) 21:23, 2 May 2016 (UTC)


 * 1) http://www1.gmnews.com/2004/10/13/officials-say-schools-not-affected-by-scare/ This might be a better source. The link was an archived article of a self-published newspaper. Will leave it up to your discretion. 2) How big of a city does it have to be for it to be used in that way? There are multiple Society Hills in NJ and most people know them by the city they are in(i.e Newark, Piscataway, Cherry Hill). I don't know how good of an indexing mechanism it would be to use counties when most people in our state use the city name. Wasickta (talk) 19:23, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Conflict of Interest
Considering your role in Teaneck politics and in NJ politics - you should really not be editing NJ articles.

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discussion?
Hi Alansohn. That COIN case went a bit sideways, but I just wanted to ask if given your RW role, which as I understand does have some power and accountabilty, you have thought through COI issues in Wikipedia? I know you have been around a long time, but we've been working on refining COI management. Just really quickly - managing COI has two steps - disclosure of the COI (ideally on your userpage) and then when you want to edit some topic where your COI is "active", proposing edits on the Talk page for others to review and implement, instead of editing directly. Doing those steps protects the integrity of Wikipedia as well as editors with a COI - defining the COI clearly lets others know where the boundaries are, and not editing directly within the boundary protects the editor from scandal. Happy to discuss any of that if you like. Best regards Jytdog (talk) 01:26, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
 * As I understand it, Alansohn has a role in local politics involving the city he lives in. I don't see that involves a conflict-of-interest that would mean avoiding any article that touches on the subject of the state of New Jersey. Every resident of the state has an opinion about state politics because we are affected by them, do we all have a conflict-of-interest?
 * I can see asking, not demanding, that Alansohn not edit articles involving the city where he has an official role, that this request could be justified but it's ridiculous to demand he stay away from articles on the entire state, especially given the enormous contributions he has made on Wikipedia. Every editor comes to Wikipedia with opinions and judgments but we all strive to maintain a neutral point of view and I think every editor should be allowed the benefit of the doubt, without lobbing accusations around. Liz  Read! Talk! 01:54, 4 May 2016 (UTC)


 * and, I agree that there is a potential conflict of interest regarding aspects of one particular article. Over the past two years where this would be an issue, I have tried to avoid editing the article, certainly avoiding any aspect of editing of a political nature. It's also important to recognize that the article under discussion isn't about me, but about a place. Jytdog's suggestions are certainly appropriate and will be reflected in future action on my part, but I don't see the scope expanding beyond this one article. Any further thoughts will be appreciated. Alansohn (talk) 02:26, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

The thing that was alarming to me was Alansohn's brazenness in editing articles that showed clear conflicts of interest and will influence political outcome of this Thursdays election.

The reason why I requested an NJ topic ban is because Alan Sohn can(and is) shaping the profile pages of people that he has affiliation with or are endorsing him. He is using hidden influence in both shaping public perception of his political friends in the state and his adversaries. Wasickta (talk) 02:18, 4 May 2016 (UTC) Wasickta (talk) 02:18, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
 * , you've done more than enough damage for one day. Present your evidence elsewhere and stay off this talk page. Alansohn (talk) 02:26, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

If they don't care of this, I will take it to Asbury Park Press- don't worry. Wasickta (talk) 02:27, 4 May 2016 (UTC) Wasickta (talk) 02:27, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
 * The threat is offensive, but please make sure that the APP spells my name correctly. Further such attacks, failures to respect my talk page and real world threats will be a sure path to a lengthy block. Alansohn (talk) 02:31, 4 May 2016 (UTC)


 * To be clear here, what I wrote is what I wrote. Alan thanks for replying. In my view you should declare your COI on your userpage, and not directly edit the article about that town but rather offer changes on the Talk page (there should be no "try" about it).  Wasickta has not brought diffs and I haven't dug in and looked myself, but for your own sake  - and the sake of Wikipedia's reputation - if there is anything that would have bad "optics" along the lines of what Wasickta  is saying with regard to specific people or ethnic voting blocs, you best keep in mind that whole WP:Wikipedia is in the real world thing. Again, for your sake and the sake of Wikipdia's reputation.  (if you unaware of how bad this can get, there was editor for BP (the oil company) who scrupulously minded the COI guideline - disclosed his COI in his username, never made a direct edit, but his work here still created a big scandal.  That got caught up in some nasty wiki-politics where one faction was shovelling his proposed edits into the article and others were trying to keep them out and the press got wind of a "BP editing its own article" story (Salon, HuffPo, Motherboard - that tier of things) and it just got ugly.  And the guy did nothing wrong. So just please be mindful and please don't directly edit content directly where you have RW COI issues.  If you do the right thing and people get upset you can say at least "I did the right thing under the COI guideline" and have that going for you, instead of being  pure "hand in the cookie jar".   Jytdog (talk) 02:55, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Wasickta's claims have been removed and I never saw them. I wouldn't mind a copy, so that I can at least figure out what he's -- and by extension you are -- alleging. I'm more than mindful of your suggestions, as I've indicated previously, and will take them into account in any future editing. Alansohn (talk) 03:04, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I didn't see them either; I have asked them to post actual difs at COIN. I am reacting to what he wrote here.   But I am not trying to make this about accusations.  You apparently (?) got into actual government about 2 years ago and you have been a Wikipedian way longer than that.  I just don't know that you ever really paused and thought through how that RW change should (?) or should not change what you do here.  I thought about this kind of stuff for the last 15 years at work, so when I came here,  avoiding editing where I had a COI was second nature to me, and I have a COI declaration clear as day on my user page. Anyway, I don't want to beat a horse and you will do as you will. I am here live or by email if you want to bounce stuff off me.  In the meantime we can await diffs from the W. Jytdog (talk) 03:19, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm still unclear as to the claims, but I fail to see what he even could be referring to. I have considered the issue, perhaps not in as much detail as I will now, but I will reflect your input. Alansohn (talk) 03:32, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

"Aid and abet"
Kindly provide evidence that I am attempting to aid and abet a policy violation, rather than attempting to enforce the WP:OUTING policy against abuse. You will observe that WP:WIAPA specifically prohibits "accusations about personal behavior that lack evidence". Per the firm statement at WP:NPA, Derogatory comments about other editors may be removed by any editor, I have removed said derogatory comments; if you repeat derogatory comments and continuing making accusations about personal behavior that lack evidence, a block will be sought. Nyttend (talk) 04:26, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
 * You point to an obscure edit a decade ago as an excuse to justify outing, and in so doing you are aiding and abetting this abuse. Thanks for the help. Alansohn (talk) 04:36, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Please don't make drama Alansohn, as tempting as it may be. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 04:52, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Create drama?!?! I've been outed and multiple editors draw attention to an innocent edit from a decade ago; you included. Time for you to get off my talk page and get lost. Alansohn (talk) 04:54, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I know this can be hard. Believe me I have had people all over me about COI matters - wrongly.  But writing stuff like you did at COIN and like this (in an edit note even) is  really unhelpful all around and is starting to make you look bad. If it turns out that W has no case and is just trying to win a content dispute by crying COI he'll get at least warned.  If it turns out you've been directly editing articles without declaring a COI, instead of declaring and offering suggestions on the Talk page, well that will be a learning experience for you and everybody can move on.  But drama helps nothing.  Please just bide.  Am off to bed now. Jytdog (talk) 05:04, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
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Hillsdale
Why do you keep deleting my section on the park/recreational section? I am adding great information about the league and Memorial history, as I actually live here. Please do not delete it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kyrooo1234 (talk • contribs) 17:17, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
 * The biggest question should be "is the material encyclopedic?" Should an encyclopedia contain details about a short-term sports league or the commissioner of a recreational basketball league? I say no and the lack of reliable and verifiable sources only aggravates the issue. Alansohn (talk) 17:23, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

In my opinion it is encyclopedic. Most people that are going to be visiting the Hillsdale, NJ Wikipedia page are going to be from Hillsdale and I feel like it would be informative to them. Why shouldn't an encyclopedia contain information about commissioners of a league? It's interesting and represents the history of the town. I actually live in Hillsdale and anyone in Hillsdale can back me on the information I posted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kyrooo1234 (talk • contribs) 17:42, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not intended to be a repository of inside information for locals. The complete absence of newspaper and magazine articles needed to support the claims only adds to the problem that the material is not encyclopedic. Alansohn (talk) 17:59, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Never said it was supposed to be a repository for inside information for locals. However, while I did say it would be cool for locals to see this information, it is informative as well. How would it even be possible to find newspapers or articles on it? Regardless, it is factual information that serves a good purpose. Go to other towns (not just in New Jersey) and there's information not exact, but similar as to what I have. What's so bad about it being on the page? Nothing really. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kyrooo1234 (talk • contribs) 18:06, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Material on Wikipedia needs to be verifiable and based on reliable sources. Without the ability to confirm information, anyone could add anything. That's what you've done and that's why it doesn't belong here. If it wasn't covered anywhere, why should it be in an encyclopedia? Check the links on verifiability and sourcing to see if this information meets the standard. Alansohn (talk) 19:33, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

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Stumbled on this article via a search about Russian emigré artists, on to pages that were rapidly re-initiated after initial purging, on to this etc. Thank you for correctly adding back that he has served on the HIAS board. The reference you added makes it easy enough to find, which the original referencing did not, even though the new reference is a popup subpage without it's own URL, and a current search using the HIAS search tool is unrevealing. FeatherPluma (talk) 06:37, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
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Leave the Belleville,NJ page alone!
STOP removing edits to the Belleville,NJ page! I have tried to create an edit to honor a dear friend and you have callously removed it. Please allow us to honor his memory and stop acting as a Wiki-terrorist! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Concerned belleville resident (talk • contribs) 13:39, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
 * The person you've been adding isn't notable. Without an article that shows that the person is notable and a reliable and verifiable source connecting the peron to Belleville, the entry will be removed. Alansohn (talk) 13:46, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Well Mister Alansohn, apparently you are not nor have you ever been a resident of Belleville, otherwise you would know the aforementioned notable person. How do you suggest I go about verifying his connection to Belleville? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Concerned belleville resident (talk • contribs) 14:08, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Look at our policies on notability, verifiability and reliable sources. If there are articles in newspapers and magazines that are about this individual, with a claim of notability. It might be possible to create an article about this person. Once the article is created and meets standards, and as long as there are reliable sources to connect this individual to Belleville, you're all set. Alansohn (talk) 14:14, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Well Alansohn, thank you for the clarification. I'll be sure to gather the necessary documents. Hopefully we don't run into any further issues. Have a great day, sir. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Concerned belleville resident (talk • contribs) 14:18, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

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Greitzer in Metuchen
Hi Alan, The obit gave birth & death years, to get the right person from SSDI. I was actually at his Metuchen home once, but for early decades it's hard to find stronger proof online. —Patrug (talk) 05:11, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm leery of using the SSDI. I'm surprised to be unable to find an obituary or other source that connects him directly to Metuchen. Alansohn (talk) 05:14, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
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I have a few questions after the deletion of my edit regarding the high school. I really am a graduate, I do work as the evening traffic reporter on WCBS (AM) and I wonder how do I add this info without it being deleted? Maybe I'm not that significant, even though there's only one listing for alums from the school... the guitarist for a Brazilian metal band. I'm sure you'll cite paragraph two, subsection four, addendum six about this.

Also, how could it be that you deleted it in less than an hour of my posting it? How does that work? Do you watch what anyone posts on any high school in New Jersey and examine it within an hour? How about elementary schools, middle schools, colleges and universities? Does a bell ring or a buzzer sound? Again, less than an hour and it was gone from a page that few people look at much and nobody has contributed to since December of last year.

I'm sure you'll think you're totally correct, quoting your knowledge of all things Wikipedia, all those terms and lingo that looks like Greek to the rest of us. I guess I feel like I was caught jaywalking and an overzealous policeman is there to give me a ticket by the time I get to the sidewalk. I suppose you'll say I have to have some publication I could quote that has my name and position in it... or that the Brazilian guitarist's band has its own Wikipedia page. But that leaves Becton Regional with only one notable alum after decades of turning out students. I wonder what's worse, your looking the other way when you see a post on a high school's webpage that doesn't quite fit the Wikipedia rule book, or the school has only one notable alum? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steve1reg (talk • contribs)
 * I assume you're referring to this edit. I've edited the article for Henry P. Becton Regional High School in the past, and the article is on my "Watchlist". When articles on my watchlist are edited, I see the edits and (more often than not) I'll check out the edit to see if it's valid. Sometimes it can be hours or days after the edit, but it can be within minutes.In terms of the added entry, people listed as alumni must be notable, with their own independent article backed up with reliable and verifiable sources such as books, magazines or newspaper articles about the person.If you know of any other notable alumni from Becton, the entries could be (and should be) added to the article. Alansohn (talk) 00:35, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

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How did you update things so fast?
For NJ stuff? Iridona (talk) 14:10, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm updating articles to add 2015 Census Estimates using a tool called WP:AWB, which allows lists of articles to be edited. Alansohn (talk) 14:12, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Hmm, i'll go try it out. Iridona (talk) 14:19, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Add to the point, how did you set it up to update alot at one time? i mean, did you m anually enter the day or it just pulled data? Iridona (talk) 14:22, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
 * It's semi-automated. Some changes can be automatically made, but the data is pasted in one article at a time. Alansohn (talk) 18:03, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

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Bob Woodruff
My mistake - my apologies. BMK (talk) 18:39, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Normally, you are banned from my talk page unless required to do so by Wikipedia policy. Regardless, thanks for the note. If it were me, I would have apologized more profusely for changing his first name to "Bod". Alansohn (talk) 18:57, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually, it said "Bod" before I edited it: . Sorry about the ban, I forgot about it. BMK (talk) 19:54, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
 * It's amazing what can happen when you communicate civilly. Alansohn (talk) 19:55, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

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Newark, NJ references
The refs are a mess; most don't follow Wikipedia reference formatting guidelines and will be replaced with proper formatting. It's not arbitrariness, but rather competent, responsible editing that motivates corrections. Don't feel proprietary about the page; when proper formatting replaces improper formatting, everyone wins. Froid (talk) 14:13, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * , there is no mess. The problem is that you prefer using templates and the article doesn't. Per WP:CITEVAR, "When an article is already consistent, avoid... adding citation templates to an article that already uses a consistent system without templates, or removing citation templates from an article that uses them consistently". Your attempts to impose what you view as "proper formatting", are arbitrary, unnecessary and improper. Alansohn (talk) 14:16, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * No, you are mistaken. There's no justifiable reason to NOT use Wikipedia formatting style, especially in the case of this article, where the failure to do so has created numerous references that are improperly formatted -- that result is arbitrary, unnecessary, improper. Moreover, it contributes to the mess, which includes not only improperly formatted references, but improper grammar/mechanics/formatting within the article's text, as well. I encourage you to seek input from a Wikipedia arbitration body for help resolving our obvious strong differences about this article.  Froid (talk) 14:23, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Please read the guideline and explain how imposing your preference to change citation formats complies with WP:CITEVAR's rather clear statement that "When an article is already consistent, avoid... adding citation templates to an article that already uses a consistent system without templates, or removing citation templates from an article that uses them consistently". Before you come back here, at least address this rather clear policy issue with your needless changes. Alansohn (talk) 14:28, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Oh and I updated the number of municipalities on your userpage. changed from 566 to 565. just fyi. TheDwellerCamp (talk) 16:44, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * When I wrote it, the number 566 was correct until the Princeton merger. Alansohn (talk) 16:45, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

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 * Froid, you couldn't press "New Section" but had to press the "edit source" for my barnstar? TheDwellerCamp (talk) 05:15, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

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