User talk:Andrevan/Archives/62

New Page Reviewer granted
Hi Andrevan. Your account has been added to the " " user group. Please check back at the permissions page in case your user right is time-limited or probationary. This user group allows you to review new pages through the Curation system and mark them as patrolled, tag them for maintenance issues, or nominate them for deletion. The list of articles awaiting review is located at the New Pages Feed. New page reviewing is vital to maintaining the integrity of the encyclopedia. If you have not already done so, you must read the tutorial at New Pages Review, the linked guides and essays, and fully understand the deletion policy. If you need any help or want to discuss the process, you are welcome to use the new page reviewer talk page or ask via the NPP Discord. In addition, please remember:
 * Be nice to new editors. They are usually not aware that they are doing anything wrong. Do make use of the message feature when tagging  pages for maintenance so that  they are aware.
 * You will frequently be asked by users to explain why their page is being deleted. Please be formal and polite in your approach to them – even if they are not.
 * If you are not sure what to do with a page, don't review it – just leave it for another reviewer.
 * Accuracy is more important than speed. Take your time to patrol each page, including checking for copyright violations using Earwig's copyright violation detector, checking for duplicate articles, and evaluating sources (both in the article, and if needed, via a Google search) for compliance with the general notability guideline.
 * Please review some of our flowcharts (1, 2) to help ensure you don't forget any steps.
 * Use the message feature to communicate with article creators and offer advice as much as possible.

The reviewer right does not change your status or how you can edit articles. If you no longer want this user right, you also may ask any administrator to remove it for you at any time. In cases of abuse or persistent inaccuracy of reviewing, or long-term inactivity, the right may be withdrawn at administrator discretion. If you can read any languages other than English, please add yourself to the list of new page reviewers with language proficiencies. Hey man im josh (talk) 01:00, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Thu Jan 4: Hacking Night + Wikipedia Day soon
(You can subscribe/unsubscribe from future notifications for NYC-area events by adding or removing your name from this list.)

--Wikimedia New York City Team via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:05, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for December 19
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Kentucky cream candy, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Taffy.

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 05:59, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Requesting assist for GA nomination of Penang
Hey there & good day! I've been working on the Penang article for the past few weeks now & nominating it for GA. I was wondering if you're keen to help in its assessment? Thanks! hundenvonPG (talk) 16:18, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Sure. It looks pretty good. I'm not sure if I'll have time to review it today, though. But maybe later in the week. Andre🚐 16:20, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Great to hear & looking forward! Teeth.png hundenvonPG (talk) 00:29, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

New pages patrol January 2024 Backlog drive
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:09, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

December 2023
Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did at Be'eri massacre, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use your sandbox for that. Thank you. Dylanvt (talk) 15:09, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did at Nahal Oz attack, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use your sandbox for that. Thank you. Dylanvt (talk) 15:12, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


 * All your AFDs will be a speedy keep. WP:DTTR WP:POINT. Andre🚐 19:47, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Cool. Dylanvt (talk) 21:02, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Andrevan did nothing wrong. And yes, all the AFDs by Dylanvt are speedy keep. Especially when some are done a month after a "keep" decision was already made . With regards, Oleg Y.  (talk) 21:37, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Oleg. Andre🚐 21:39, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Unnecessary commentary on an editor
This was fine up until Maybe you should actually study international law before you make wild speculations about what is or isn't covered by it. Please leave out the unnecessary commentary on editors. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:54, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * It's all good that you are volunteering to monitor some of the p-i contentious pages. But the most effective action that some Admins really need to take is to survey the talk page conduct of all editors across many pages. I think it will become evident that there is a group of editors who are routinely deflecting and blowing up discussion with sarcastic, off-topic personal disparagement and accusations of bad faith. Instead of us all needing to go through extended structured adjudication at AE or elsewhere, it would be much more effective and hightly efficient to give such disruptive editors warnings and then blocks if needed. Andrevan is one of the most level-headed, best-informed and civil editors in various difficult topics. He was recently brought to AE on a dubious charge by an editor who continued to engage in a provocative manner in the same subject, even while the AE was open. It's an odd spectacle to see Admins first volunteering their time, then complaining about how much time and attention it takes to do this in an inefficient and unproductive manner, when Admins are in fact authorized to do it much more directly and precisely at their discretion.  Happy New Year, SFR. SPECIFICO talk 17:21, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * As I continue to read through talk page discussions with a total length greater than the Bible I will continue to give nudges and warnings, and take actions when I see a need.
 * Andre, I hope you don't see this as a stern warning, but rather as a gentle reminder to avoid unnecessary personalization to help stem escalations that can disrupt already fraught discussions. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:41, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * OK. Andre🚐 18:30, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Please review these comments   Andre🚐 18:34, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I already gave a warning for that earlier. Those particular comments were the only time I recall seeing them pop up so I didn't go with a more formal warning. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:16, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I see it now. Andre🚐 20:18, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

for the ol' archives. Andre🚐 01:42, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Note for SFR, SPECIFICO, posterity and any helpful TPS, here's my apology for Iskandar getting the brunt of my late night rage and a modification on the talk page  Andre🚐 20:12, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Very helpful. One down, 11 to go.👩🏻 SPECIFICO talk 00:11, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I appreciate that. Thank you. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:20, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * and this? Falsely accusing me of making things up? Andre🚐 23:10, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Been edited. Andre🚐 00:18, 25 December 2023 (UTC)


 * The part about the back and forth applies to you too, so please keep that in mind while discussing. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:49, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. You know it. Thanks. Time for a drink. Hope you're having a nice holiday. Andre🚐 01:53, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Andre🚐 02:07, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Notice that you are now subject to an arbitration enforcement sanction
The diffs appear to me not violating - can you elaborate? And how come we ran up the pole of escalation from no logged warnings to 90 day topic ban? Is that standard? I have a mind to appeal, but I'd like some explanation first. [18:33, 26 December 2023 (UTC)]
 * Oh, I see I was part of a group as a "equal representative" of "my side" to make it fair. But I'd still like to know how the diffs above show what you're saying. I appreciate the attempt to be even-handed. But my diffs above show an attempt to be conciliatory, not battlegrounding. So, I would appeal it, but I do want to know if I appeal it and it's overturned does that overturn the other topic bans? 'Cause obviously I find those more fair, which I guess was your point, and I applaud that point. But there's no need to sanction me to make it "fair." [18:38, 26 December 2023 (UTC)]
 * Actually, I'd be of a mind to NOT appeal and NOT need your response right now if it will help the other topic bans stick, so go deal with that first . I'll take a break for a while. Is there a statue of limitations on the appeal? Andre<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">🚐 18:45, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The first and last diff are not violations. One can dispute the middle two. -- Valjean (talk) ( PING me ) 01:43, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * BTW, SFR is "involved", so was this properly done? -- Valjean (talk) ( PING me ) 01:44, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't think he's involved. I think he's been patrolling this topic. and I find his other topic bans to be quite justified. Even if mine is a little thin, I don't want to quibble on it. Andre<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">🚐 01:58, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks Valjean, but don't worry about me. If you want to do me a favor, keep an eye on the articles I can't edit. But do so according to the judgment that any sound Wikipedian would do. Andre<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">🚐 01:57, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * My commentary about "involved" was based on the previous section "Unnecessary commentary on an editor." Otherwise, the topic area doesn't interest me, especially since it's so volatile. I see so much collateral damage to good editors who try to help and end up sanctioned. It's sort of like the LGBTQ area. No matter one's intentions, if one says the wrong word or pronoun, there is no policy, guideline, or million RS that can help you. I dipped my toe and quickly realized it was too explosive an area for me to edit. The personal attacks are nasty and no one sanctions the perpetrator. It's pretty much owned by a group of editors, and our RS policy does not apply, at all. It's a regular walled garden. -- Valjean (talk) ( PING me ) 02:41, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I think SFR is doing some good work to deal with that, Valjean. Andre<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">🚐 02:42, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

TY
Appreciate all the reviews and I'm sure the rest of NPP will appreciate your help clearing the docket! Thank you, and have a wonderful evening. jengod (talk) 07:47, 27 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank YOU for writing such obviously good articles. Not sure why NPP was letting those hang out! Hope all is well, see ya around! Andre<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">🚐 07:52, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Self-notification of ANI thread
This is me, notifying myself of my discussion at ANI: Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents Andre<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">🚐 11:07, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Please
self-revert at AE. Your topic ban doesn't permit you to comment on topic-related AE filings, and it would be unwise of you to comment there regardless. I'm speaking as someone that really hopes you navigate your tban well and get an early reprieve. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 23:06, 27 December 2023 (UTC)


 * I see. Andre<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">🚐 23:07, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * This is your only warning. Further topic ban violations will be met with escalating blocks. Broadly construed covers any and all discussions that are in any way related to the Palestine/Israel conflict. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:11, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Understood. Andre<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">🚐 23:12, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! Got any articles or drafts you want to collaborate on? If not, I could use some peer review of Redwood National and State Parks—it's in the middle of a featured article review—or we could both go poke at some of jengod's new articles. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 23:21, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, FFF :-) I'm supposed to be taking a wikibreak, but I'm having trouble. Jengod's been crushing it. Those are some awesome articles. I wrote Ginger Canzoneri yesterday and she shot me a thank. Made my day. Andre<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">🚐 23:24, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree! She did some amazing work at Dolly Johnson, which should probably head toward a GA nom soon. Pinging : in case your ears are burning. Taking a look at Canzoneri now. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 23:26, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Bless you both @Andrevan @Firefangledfeathers. I'm trepidatious about nominating anything for anything but for Dolly...maybe. jengod (talk) 23:54, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * That's why you have us, just keep writing, and we'll tee it up for some noms soon. Andre<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">🚐 00:00, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm doing it. I'm taking the wikibreak.
It's so hard to stop when you're on a tear. It'll only be for a few days, or longer if I get in the groove. If you need me, reach me by email. I tried to send out a few emails with odds and ends and loose ends, like excerpts of sources, and a few notes. Feel free to respond back or reach out and I'll see it. Don't believe everything you read, especially when it comes to love and war, folks. Andre<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">🚐 18:31, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Link to top
Do you know of any way, maybe a skin or script, to create a link on each section heading line that can be clicked to take one back to the top of the page? Some websites provide such links. It would be nice here. -- Valjean (talk) ( PING me ) 15:40, 29 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Did I not do that once? It sounds familiar. Andre<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">🚐 08:11, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Not that I recall. I'd like to know how to do it. -- Valjean (talk) ( PING me ) 18:15, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I could've sworn I implemented that before. Maybe when we had those little simoleons on the Trump article footnotes. The way to do it is simple. The headings all have targets, and top is a target just like the headers, that references use to hop around. Remember now? Andre<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">🚐 03:02, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I did it and it works. I just added ↑ (↑) after the text in each heading. -- Valjean (talk) ( PING me ) 04:49, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Kudos. I've half a mind to give you a barnstar, but gave all of mine to SFR. If you want to get fancy, you can implement it as a template and use Andre<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">🚐 04:53, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * LOL! I'll check that out. Look at my talk page. This one looks even better ▲ -- Valjean (talk) ( PING me ) 04:58, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * It should be a preference that can be turned on or off. -- Valjean (talk) ( PING me ) 04:59, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Looks cool, I'm into it. The little icon reminds me of the Triforce from The Legend of Zelda Andre<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">🚐 05:01, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

January lichen task force newsletter
The January issue of the lichen task force newsletter is available here. Delivered by MeegsC (talk) 02:59, 1 January 2024 (UTC)


 * woohoo! GO LICHENS! THE FIGHTIN' LICHEN! Andre<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">🚐 03:00, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – January 2024
News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2023).

Administrator changes
 * Gnome-colors-list-add.svg Clovermoss
 * Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg Dennis Brown
 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg Julia W · Marasmusine · PBS



CheckUser changes
 * Gnome-colors-list-add.svg Aoidh · HJ Mitchell · Sdrqaz · Spicy · ToBeFree · Vanamonde93 · Z1720
 * Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg Maxim
 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg Enterprisey · Izno · SilkTork

Oversighter changes
 * Gnome-colors-list-add.svg Aoidh · Firefly · Sdrqaz · ToBeFree · Z1720
 * Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg Maxim
 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg Enterprisey · Izno · SilkTork

Arbitration
 * Following the 2023 Arbitration Committee elections, the following editors have been appointed to the Arbitration Committee:, , , , , , ,.
 * Following a motion, the Arbitration Committee rescinded the restrictions on the page name move discussions for the two Ireland pages that were enacted in June 2009.
 * The arbitration case Industrial agriculture has been closed.

Miscellaneous
 * The New Pages Patrol backlog drive is happening in January 2024 to reduce the backlog of articles in the new pages feed. Currently, there is a backlog of over 13,000 unreviewed articles awaiting review. Sign up here to participate!

Discuss this newsletter

Subscribe

Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:54, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Please contact
Hi Andrevan. Please email at your earliest convenience. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 02:11, 2 January 2024 (UTC)


 * I have Andre<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">🚐 02:54, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Transclusion question
What's the code for transcluding a lead? -- Valjean (talk) ( PING me ) 20:58, 3 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Transclusion is just a with the article inside. So create it as a separate page, and if you want to break out of the template namespace, you use ":"
 * e.g.
 * Check the page history of this page and I actually did it so you can see.Andre<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">🚐 21:05, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, but I want to only transclude the lead. How is that done? -- Valjean (talk) ( PING me ) 21:09, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh, there's a shortcut for that. Help:Labeled section transclusion
 * here turns out there is  as below. Seems there are several other options to configure.

Andre<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">🚐 21:11, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 * That works. Thanks! -- Valjean (talk) ( PING me ) 21:26, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Now I need to get rid of the images that came along with it. Take a look at User:Valjean/sandbox. Feel free to play with that. -- Valjean (talk) ( PING me ) 21:28, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 * only=paragraphs seems to do the job. Andre<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">🚐 21:56, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Great. Thanks a lot. -- Valjean (talk) ( PING me ) 00:50, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Fresh NPP Reviewer of the month

 * Thank you for all the work you've done to help with the backlog.  Dr vulpes  (Talk) 00:44, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Dr vulpes! Much appreciated! Andre<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">🚐 01:26, 6 January 2024 (UTC)