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Proposed deletion of MetLife Inc. v. Financial Stability Oversight Council


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Re: PR Statehood
I'll be honest with you my dear friend Andrevan, in my opinion if the U.S. wanted PR to be a state of the union, they would have granted statehood a long time ago. PR has been a territory of the US since 1898 quite a long time. Plus, according to the political election results in the island, many Puerto Ricans have voted pro-statehood, but nothing has happened. The representatives of the poorer states would be against PR becoming a state because they would receive less Federal Funds which is now distributed among the 50 states. Right now it may be the best option for both the US and PR, but I really don't think it is going to happen anytime soon. Thank you for the congratulations. I never expected to be recognized for my work in Wikipedia. Tony the Marine (talk) 01:08, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

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TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 08:09, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Trump Edit
Hey, just a heads up, I do agree with what you put, but it is hard to assert the evidence would have been found if it weren't for the obstruction. Probably true, but not verifiable. Gonna have to figure out a different way to word that part. Fbifriday (talk) 08:21, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, I share those concerns. The two aspects of the edit should be separated, with "obstruction" waiting for a firm consensus. It should be mentioned in some way, but without implying that there actually was a proven conspiracy. Yes, Trump was already talking in 2013 with the Russians about running, and they publicly expressed support for him. They even said that he could not have won without their help. Is that evidence of verbal or written conspiracy? Trump knew the Russians were offering his campaign stolen emails; he knew that WikiLeaks got them from the Russians; his campaign tried to coordinate with WikiLeaks; he bribed Assange with the offer of a pardon if Assange would publicly say that Russia was not involved, and Assange complied and made Seth Rich a scapegoat for that purpose.
 * There is lots of evidence for collusion (not the same as conspiracy): secretive discussions and links between Trump campaigners and Russian agents; denials of Russian interference; welcoming the interference; lies, lies, lies, cover-ups, ad libitum. Also evidence of obstruction.
 * Be more careful in discussions to distinguish between conspiracy and collusion. They are not synonyms, and Mueller expressly did not seek to build a "collusion" case, only a "conspiracy" case, "but was unable to establish" "conspiracy" or "coordination" (those two words are Mueller's, so don't mess with them). He did not disprove collusion, and found plenty of evidence of things which could be described as collusion.
 * Insert "but was unable to establish", but wait with the "obstruction" angle. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 16:18, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

I admire the effort that some of you are making, to bring NPoV to the Donald Trump page. But, you'll find it's next to impossible to achieve, if the proposals make Trump appear 'good', even in the slightest way. That's why I gave up a long time ago. GoodDay (talk) 13:01, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * LOL! Yes, that also applies to making him look 'bad'. Using RS, it's nearly impossible to find anything that makes him look 'good', but very easy if it makes him look 'bad' because that's his de facto state of existence. Polls rate him "one of the worst" presidents. So basically we have a cadre of editors who constantly resist documenting what RS say, IOW they are not here to improve the encyclopedia but to defend Trump. Such POV editing is shameful. Our job is to ignore politics and document what RS say, but those editors won't do that. Their politics dictate that they resist, oppose, and obstruct myriad policies in their efforts to defend the indefensible. They are tendentious editors. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 15:10, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @GoodDay, I think you might be barking up the wrong tree, I tend to agree with @Valjean that Trump is objectively one of the worst. Andrevan@ 17:18, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Will be interesting to see what gets put in & taken out of his BLP, if he runs & gets the 2024 Republican presidential nomination. GoodDay (talk) 17:19, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, and if he wins (very likely), it will be interesting to see how many journalists he imprisons, blackmails, compromises, gets fired, or disappears, thus influencing the amount of RS coverage of his presidency and person, and thus our ability to accurately describe facts. This will have consequences for Wikipedia, one of the world's last and strongest bastions for facts.
 * Keep in mind this isn't idle speculation as he has openly expressed his envy of, and admiration for, Putin's ways of dealing with the press, which Trump hates. Bannon taught him that the Democrats are not his real enemy. No, he considers a free press to be his most serious threat (hence calling them "fake news" so his followers are cut of from accurate information).
 * Trump has always told us who he is, and he always turns out to be even worse. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 17:39, 11 July 2022 (UTC)


 * My personal opinion, for what that's worth, is that 2024 Republicans will nominate Ron DeSantis. I think Trump's political career is over. My big question is whether he will be prosecuted for the 2021 United States Capitol attack. Andrevan@ 18:17, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * If the Democrats don't deal with Manchin & Sinema, first? Republicans will be gaining majorities in the House & Senate (technically they already have it) in 2022 & Trump's pulling off a Cleveland will be increased in 2024. Biden's gotta break his "nothing will fundamentally change" promise. GoodDay (talk) 21:12, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * If most of John Fetterman, Mandela Barnes, Val Demings, Raphael Warnock, Mark Kelly, Tim Ryan, Mike Franken, Catherine Cortez-Masto, and Maggie Hassan win their Senate races, even if the Republicans win the House, that will obviate Manchinema and keep the gridlock on in the legislature, who knows what happens in '24. The House is going to be close, and it's not a given that Republicans will win despite the massive amounts of partisan gerrymandering. Right now my money is that Dems win the Senate given how Dr. Oz and Herschel Walker are doing. Andrevan@ 21:16, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Only if they can end up with 60 seats & even then, I'm not certain they'll still have 51 votes to end the filibuster. I suspect there's a lot of 'corporate/establishment' Democrats hiding behind the Manchinema curtain. GoodDay (talk) 21:34, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * We're going out on a huge limb, but if they can do a filibuster carve-out and/or add Puerto Rico and Washington, D.C. statehood, that's +4 senators that will likely be at least 50% majority party. So yeah, if Coons, Feinstein, Warner, and a couple of other more centrist folks are hiding behind Manchinema, you still need a few seats but not necessarily 60. I think the number might be 54 and it's quite feasible given local Senate races and generic ballots are running far ahead of the approval rating for the Biden administration. It's not a given though that Dems will lose the Senate or the House. Andrevan@ 21:37, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

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Thanks! Andrevan@ 17:34, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 *  Reply -, can you please elaborate? --Jax 0677 (talk) 11:39, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh nothing. Thanking you for asking me to join the 15 year society. Andrevan@ 15:35, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * If I left you a message: please answer on your talk page, linking to me, so that I will be notified. -- Jax 0677 (talk) 17:04, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @, in the old days of Wikipedia (pre 2007) there was a prevalent talk page etiquette of replying on each other's pages, which I have stubbornly clung to even as everyone else has moved on to keep threads together. I apologize for the confusion. Andrevan@ 02:21, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Koogle


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Barnstar for you
A true honor, especially from you, thank you, !

Politician votes
Andrevan, earlier this year we had a noticeboard discussion about adding votes to political blps. The consensus was unless the politican was notably tied to the vote it was Undue content. Springee (talk) 20:03, 19 July 2022 (UTC)


 * for MTG it is definitely relevant given the other stuff in the article. Andrevan @  20:04, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I think we were replying to each other at the same time. I'll post more there and at the other BLP.  I was concerned you were going to revert all the discussions.  Per this  NPOVN discussion I'm not sure the content is due in any but I'll make specific arguments on the two talk pages you noted.  Springee (talk) 20:19, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * oh thank you! :-) I appreciate the recognition. Andrevan @ 21:56, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

I love it!
This "so true" factoid about one of Paddington Bear's many many voices working its way to the presidency of a united war-torn nation, I mean. We may not see eye-to-eye on conspiracy theories, Russia in general, Donald Trump's forgotten inner child or all of those frightful figments' total combined weight, but yer a good man (as dey say up here), thank you for contributing to my sum of human knowledge.

FYI, those aforementioned "shadows" are magnificent, wonderful, stunning, sensational, ravishing, jumpin' and Justin Credible this time of year, you should totally "consider the trip" one of these days, if ya smell what a bear in the woods is cookin'. And no, I'm not gay and/or proposing anything indecent, now that I reread that. But to paraphrase a couple of veteran virtual users, I'm not narrow and I can learn! InedibleHulk (talk) 23:45, 22 July 2022 (UTC)


 * @InedibleHulk, you're barking up the wrong tree I'm afraid, unless the trips you take are psychedelic or maybe anthelmintic could be in order. My girlfriend and I don't socialize much since the pandemic, we spend a lot of time in the apartment and occasionally make it to some hiking trails. But thanks for the kind words and I always hope to learn or teach something new every day, so I appreciate it. P.S. I did go see a wrestling match one time, it was Ronda Rousey and I forgot who else. Andrevan @ 00:11, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * If Rousey was wrestling, you were too late, the business was already dead. What I was trying to suggest was a trip down memory lane. Maybe take a Wikibreak and the missus over to the YouTube side of the couch/bed/what-have-youse and see "what the world is watching" with your own eyes. Not every trip down memory lane has to be down the one you remember. You don't have to dive deep into the legally grey zone of Garden, Spectrum and Boston Garden telecasts...yet. Just start off with whatever floats your boat for bingewatching and cram WrestleManias III through V. Those shows are harshly bogarted, rightswise, but you should still have no problem absorbing 36 hours of clips, fan perspectives and a rollercoaster ride of expert shoot interviews. You'll laugh! You'll cry! You'll fall asleep awakened to how heel vs babyface politics has really "worked" since Dukakis fucked up the timeline. But only if you do as I say, no arguing, suspend everything you thought you knew about disbelief and just let the Hulkamania run wild, brother!


 * Or don't, of course, it's your vision of democracy that's at stake. It wouldn't be the first wrong tree I barked up, figuratively or literally. What's important is we all stay alive long enough to see who wins the 2024 US primaries. Then one or both of us can tell the other we told them so.


 * And, who knows, that may even turn out to be important for better reasons! InedibleHulk (talk) 01:13, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Nostalgia is a hell of a drug, I will say that. I'm curious to hear more about this alternative Dukakis timeline though. Andrevan @ 01:20, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It wouldn't make sense yet, trust me. Even the basic building blocks just look like basic building blocks till one realizes the Twin Towers, Mega Powers and Mega Bucks are one as well. Even then, many a master has failed at the unfortunately mandatory penultimate step, Ultimate Warrior Comprehension. You just have yourselves a merry little weekend, however it goes. If you happen to recall another voice-actor-makes-good story, let me know, they're "oddly satisfying"! InedibleHulk (talk) 02:04, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @InedibleHulk, so, I'm gathering that it's a loose change situation, am I right? With a little bit of zhuzh and zazz to flavor the broth? Not my cup of tea personally, when it comes to science fiction, I prefer Philip K. Dick. But if you want to share more about Dukakis, I've got a hankering for that spicy stuff, I'm a connoisseur. I do know another funny story about this formerly-Democratic union organizer actor that used to costar with a monkey and became president of a pretty modern country. Andrevan @ 02:24, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * No, my "loose change theory" is based on Donnie Darko, Jimmy Carter and [redacted]. But yeah, both sort of involve planes, time travel, a pair of chimp-lovers and Dukakis. Maybe I could use some broadening. Do they still have those legendary beach broads in California? Or did time move on with talk of that, too? InedibleHulk (talk) 02:41, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Nevermind that last part, congratulations on hitting an even 1,000 bytes with your last part, a "rare bird" indeed! InedibleHulk (talk) 02:46, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I try to keep it 💯. Last I heard the legendary beaches and their inhabitants could still be found in such locales as California, as well as New Jersey for that matter. Andrevan @ 02:52, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Cool. Half-full disclosure, that 2001 incident had more to do with something Carter earlier found himself drawn into than anything he was actively "putting out there" at the time. Jimmy Carter's cool. And any similarity between the Rocket Fuel channel and jet fuel protestation are strictly coincidental. Even the "cockpit door" video. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:05, 23 July 2022 (UTC)