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Missing redirect
It appears that in moving Armenian Question, you didn't leave a redirect for the talk page. This breaks links to the move discussion and such. I'll fix. Dicklyon (talk) 23:30, 28 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I must have broken the dialog for creating a talk redirect while using pageswap probably because the tab was out of focus. ~   (t, e &#124; c, l) 15:53, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Thalapathy 67


A tag has been placed on Thalapathy 67 requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

"Thalapathy is Vijay's 'nome de guerre'. Thalapathy 65 is the code name given to the movie which is undergoing filming now and Thalapathy 66 is the name given to the movie which has been supposedly greenlit by the actor to start filming next year. Thalapathy 67 is a movie that may start filming after 2 years after the ongoing movies finish. Creating a redirect page for a movie in the distant future to the actor's article page is pointless. We can go on for Thalapathy 68, 69 and 70 if that is the case"

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, pages that meet certain criteria may be deleted at any time.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here.  Jupitus Smart  16:25, 1 June 2021 (UTC)


 * (deleted) I do not agree that R3 applies to this case since the deletion criteria applies to "implausible typos or misnomers" and not related topics, and the redirect has been created for 18 days, which is borderline "recently created". However, there is a pervious RfD (Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 March 3) which I have missed while working on WP:AfC/R, so this could be plausibly deleted under G4. Per Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy, I will let it be.
 * Next time I should check the deletion log before using the User:Enterprisey/AFCRHS script to create redirects. A fine opportunity for learning :). ~  (t, e &#124; c, l) 06:34, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Script
Hello, Aseleste,

When I paste User:Aseleste/Scripts/Purger.js on to my .js page, I get an error message about the "subst" part. Is this code correct? Liz Read! Talk! 19:26, 2 June 2021 (UTC)


 * It should be correct as User:Aseleste/Scripts/Purger.js should be substituted into mw.loader.load( '/w/index.php?title=User:Aseleste/Scripts/Purger.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript' ); // Backlink: User:Aseleste/Scripts/Purger.js after you have saved it.
 * If it will not let you save unless the error is fixed, using mw.loader.load( '/w/index.php?title=User:Aseleste/Scripts/Purger.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript' ); // Backlink: User:Aseleste/Scripts/Purger.js directly should work. ~  (t, e &#124; c, l) 06:44, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Pagalavathii
Hi Asselete,

I want to change pagalavathii draft page to article page. How do I change as article page can you help me please. Swetha varshini (talk) 07:17, 1 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Did you mean Draft:Pagalavathii? If so, add  to the top of the draft.
 * However, it will be declined at this time (Special:Permalink/1026297824) as it does not have any sources. It is recommended that you read Help:Your first article first.
 * You should also declare any conflict of interests you may have. ~  (t, e &#124; c, l) 13:32, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the help asselete. Swetha varshini (talk) 13:39, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 21
 News and updates associated with user scripts from the past four months (February through May 2021).

Hello everyone and welcome to the 21st issue of the Wikipedia Scripts++ Newsletter:

Scripts Submit your new/improved script here


 * Gnome-colors-list-add.svg New scripts


 * Alexander Davronov's HistoryHelper helps to copy diff links from the history display of a page
 * Aseleste's Purger makes it easier to purge or null edit a page
 * Awesome Aasim:
 * CatMan adds a category manager to simplify interactions for adding and removing the categories of a page
 * redirectcreator allows for easy creation of multiple redirects
 * Bop34's EasyDesc adds a link to the top navigation bar which allows you to add a short description without opening the edit menu
 * BrandonXLF's NullEdit adds a portlet link to perform a null edit on a page
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My apologies for this long-overdue issue, and if I missed any scripts. Hopefully going forward we can go back to monthly releases - any help would be appreciated. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 13:04, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

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Redirect of Renee Hoyos
Hello, this message is regarding your decision on March 15 to close the deletion discussion for the article on Renee Hoyos by converting the article into a redirect to the 2020 Tennessee election results. I understand that the discussion did not end with a clear consensus to retain the article, but I am not sure I understand the policy-based reasoning of the decision to redirect it. The argument used by the person who began the discussion and which was supported by others in that discussion were "We don't host articles on politicians who only run for election but who don't hold office", citing the subject-specific guideline on politicians which says as much. The only [weak] "Keep" vote came from another editor who pointed out her notability as an environmentalist.

Hoyos was recently (just days ago) appointed as director of an environmental justice program in Virginia as a result of a 4th Circuit Court decison requiring Virginia to address its environmental justice issues with greater seriousness (this was not a routine appointment, the entire department was created because the 4th Circuit said Virginia had to act). I attempted to restore the article on Hoyos to an earlier pre-redirect state and added this new reference as further evidence of her notability outside of politics, but was quickly undone by another editor, citing the closure of the deletion discussion of her as a losing politician.

Here is my concern: the article was converted into a redirect because of an argument that she was not notable as a politician (because she did not win the election in which she competed). My argument is that it looks like she would likely be considered notable if her political involvements were removed from the article altogether-- there are enough references, including this most recent one, to qualify her as notable per WP:BASIC or per WP:GNG. Her involvement with politics, however, seems to have caused her to be labeled as decidedly non-notable because she was not notable as a politician. Would you agree that if her political history were removed from the article (i.e., if she were no longer classified as a politician), that she would likely qualify as notable on other grounds? If so, how would you feel if I restored the article and removed the political portions of it, leaving only the coverage of her as a non-politician (i.e., as an environmental activist)? The article would be much shorter, but it would still include discussion of her in multiple reliable verifiable independent sources. Please let me know your thoughts. Thank you. YoYoHa588 (talk) 01:40, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * @YoYoHa588: On Articles for deletion/Renee Hoyos (2nd nomination), I think the reason why notability guidelines other than WP:NPOL was not mentioned because the participants consider it the most likely way for the subject to be notable, so they do not feel the need to mention other ways of meeting notability. Presumably, with that many experienced participants, some should have considered other notability guidelines.  (Actually in Bearcat's statement, "" is an implict way of saying the subject does not meet other notability guidelines.)
 * Checking the diff between the recreated article and redirected article, I only see one source was added. Evaluating the non-politican-related sources in the recreated article, I think:
 * Overall, there does not seem to have enough sources to meet WP:GNG or enough combined coverage to meet WP:BASIC. You are welcome to seek the opinions of other editors, however. ~  Aseleste  (t, e &#124; c, l) 03:10, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Overall, there does not seem to have enough sources to meet WP:GNG or enough combined coverage to meet WP:BASIC. You are welcome to seek the opinions of other editors, however. ~  Aseleste  (t, e &#124; c, l) 03:10, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Continued discussion
Hello, Aseleste, I saw your message above. I have found another recent news article about Hoyos' appointment: https://www.knoxnews.com/story/opinion/2021/05/03/renee-hoyos-now-heading-virginia-environmental-office/7408748002/?gnt-cfr=1 The article is specifically about her, and she is its main topic. What do you think? There is a paywall to access the full article, but the first couple of paragraphs are available for free. It is listed in the newspaper's "opinion" section, but the facts it gives about her are not opinions, and it looks to me like further evidence of her non-political (and ongoing) notability. My guess is that there will also soon be articles in Virginia newspapers as well, and if there were an article on her, these could be added on a rolling basis. YoYoHa588 (talk) 04:31, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
 * @YoYoHa588: Since you said the subject have ongoing coverage, it would be reasonable to wait for a bit longer.  ~  Aseleste  (t, e &#124; c, l) 10:47, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg
 * Um, I don't know what that means... I think it means you are willing to wait 10 more days for more news to develop. That might or might happen, does it matter?  But anyhow, while I'm here, I have a question: is it the purpose of the subject-specific notability guidelines (like WP:NPOL) to include topics which might not at first glance appear to meet the general notability guidelines, or are they meant to exclude topics which do meet the GNG but that don't appear to meet those subject-specific guidelines?  Because I am pretty sure it's the former, but?  YoYoHa588 (talk)
 * Bumping just keeps this section from being archived and does not mean how long I am willing to wait. You are welcome to start a new section if this section gets archived. In the meantime, you could start a draft on Draft:Renee Hoyos and add sources as they appear.
 * For your second question, neither GNG nor SNG are exclusionary. The exclusionary guideline is NOT.  Usually, meeting GNG or any SNG is sufficient.  Sometimes, !voters reject meeting an SNG only as sufficient, but that is not a can of worms I want to open here. ~  Aseleste  (t, e &#124; c, l) 09:45, 16 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Here is another news piece about Hoyos, published in a reliable independent source (this time from Virginia, as anticipated). Given this development, please let me know if you would be willing to consider reinstating the article. Thanks!  YoYoHa588 (talk) 07:19, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

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Hi. I was just editing Black Eyed Peas and noticed (and fixed!) dozens of grammatical errors (as usual). In the below instance, I strongly disagree with Wikipedia's style guide. Please advise if we may revise it, based on the natural evolution of the language as indicated by other professional, reputable publications:

"Possessive of nouns ending in "s," means appending and apostrophe + additional "s" [as in: The Black Eyed Peas's tour...]. This has been the accepted style of The New Yorker, APA v7 (2020-21) and others. Please conform or find alternative wording to avoid use of ANY apostrophe." --Gobucks821 (talk) 12:47, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

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OLX corp page
Hi Aseleste. I've been waiting for an unbiased perspective on a requested structural overhaul (headings mostly) with a Dutch software company, but the RfC order was just reset, so....I might be waiting years? I dunno. Links left here in case you have some time and interest? Thank you! (another user did leave an opinion agreeing with the overall request, but beyond that is understandably busy with other priorities).
 * (btw I am very sorry if this seems pestery - I've been trying hard not to veer into canvassing, but you were so kind responding with the Jardine Matheson requests in April, it's difficult not to come back). JeanetteM2 (talk) 19:27, 23 June 2021 (UTC)