User talk:Atsme/Archive 46

permissions-commons@wikimedia.org or photosubmission@wikimedia.org?
You're my best VRT/OTRS contact, among other sterling qualities. I may have finally cajoled, begged, and pleaded asked politely enough to get a photographer to release a photo for one of my articles. When I looked at the https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wikimedia_VRT_release_generator it now asks you to email the release to photosubmission@wikimedia.org on the last page - but it also links to https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Volunteer_Response_Team for more details, which still says to email the release to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org. I told the photographer the latter, but is one more correct? Do they both go to the same place? --GRuban (talk) 15:20, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * ☺️ Awwww..., you are such a sweetheart...and with a great sense of humor. Same place...keeping in the mind the photographer is the one who must submit the release - it cannot be an email attachment from you.  Atsme 💬 📧 18:29, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

How cool is that?
Interesting what Rutgers Engineers have done for 3-D printing. They used a couple of my squid images from Commons, a few videos and other images, and tentacley speaking, "combined with the light-sensing smart gel, the 3D-printed material changes color, resulting in a camouflage effect."  Atsme 💬 📧 18:35, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Amazing. But I would like to mention that the Welsh word for squid is not "pysgodyn tantacliog" (puh-skod-in tentacly-og), or, in English, tentacley fish. It's actually sgwid. Thanks. -- Squidward Evancles123 (talk) 18:44, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Maybe in Whales they think that molluscs are fish, but this fish, for one, has my vertebrae up at the insinuation! --Tryptofish (talk) 18:49, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Awesome! And it's so very nice that they were able to use (with proper credit!) your own contributions here as the starting point. It reminds me of some very cool things that have been done with brains, in order to look inside at their anatomy and cytology: see Tractography, CLARITY, and Brainbow. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:47, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah, so that's decided.... The motto for my new Welsh T-shirt: Roeddwn i'n arfer cael ymennydd, cyn i mi ymuno â Wicipedia! ("I used to have a brain, before I joined Wikipedia!") Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:02, 18 March 2022 (UTC) p.s. blame Funny in Four, not me!
 * First of all, I think it's magnificent that there is a brewery named "Brains". And, in my experience, Wikipedia can Brainfuck anyone even more, after joining. Anyway, this discussion reminded me that anyone who hasn't yet seen the film My Octopus Teacher definitely should. Honestly, I got tearful, in a good way, at the ending. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:08, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll look it up. I must say I'm quite partial to a nice bit of catfish now and then. Cheers! -- Eyebrow Fish123 (talk) 19:17, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

 Atsme 💬 📧 20:41, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Since your edit summary was "shaken, but also stirred", from now on you are going to be Martini Evans123. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:24, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Tasty! Don't forget to add an olive. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:30, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Drinks are on me! No, seriously, Martin spilled his drink on me. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:34, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Or just add an Olive. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:58, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * "I'm strong to the finich, 'cause I eats me spinach, I'm Popeye the sailor man!" Martinevans123 (talk) 21:09, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * , maybe @Martin(i) thought you looked a little dry and needed to be moistened. Fish do be drying out fast. If we can't take you to the water, we'll bring the "water" to you, even if it is n alcoholic form. -- A Rose Wolf  14:26, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

New message from Unbroken Chain
Unbroken Chain (talk) 14:16, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Happy April 1




Check it!
 * SMirC-chuckle.svg - good to hear from you, NA1k!! I'm the perfect recipient for an April Fool's something.  Atsme  💬 📧 18:22, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Sowell's quote
Thomas Sowell is a brilliant man...one of my heroes. In reading one of his quotes, I was reminded of a popular argument among some editors relative to the number of RS that published a particular opinion in the media echo chamber vs the proportion of prominence of that opinion in each of those published sources. The number that published typically wins over its prominence in the article or book .finished statement 16:45, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Yep.  Atsme 💬 📧 23:36, 4 April 2022 (UTC) By the way, do you mean to leave us hanging at the end of your paragraph above. All the best, dear lady! Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 09:20, 5 April 2022 (UTC) Please link me to whatever dog article/s you might think that I can help. Gareth Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 10:24, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
 * So true. Never more illustrated than by the current UK premier, and your Trump.
 * 😂 My apologies, Gareth. Whadda night!! The siren went off on my cell phone last night with a tornado warning to seek cover immediately. I dropped everything...noting that some of the events in my life over the last few weeks have made me realize how fortunate I am to be alive – I'm not one to press my luck – 30 min or so later, the storms were overhead, and I unplugged everything. The internet here (line of sight) is still not up and running. I'm just now getting back online via my cell phone's hot spot, at least until I exceed the limit. BTW - your reference to "my Trump" refers to my living in the US, right? I will admit to Bill Clinton being mine...until he cheated on me. 😂 I much prefer a man who plays the sax over a man who plays the field. Annnyway...after a bit of research, I came to the conclusion that what we both have in common is the wild hair of your Johnson and our Trump, respectively. (Oh my, your Johnson doesn't sound quite right). Maybe it's a sign to steer clear of wild hair - but then we all get a wild hair every now and then. 😂 Are you still active over at Project Dogs?  Atsme 💬 📧 16:45, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * What a dreadful experience! Ha, great wikilinks and I certainly was not imagining that you could ever be a fan of the Donald. As for Boris Johnson, I cannot Emily Dickinson (Our share of night to bear) to either watch or listen to him.
 * , see WP:WikiProject Dogs and Talk:Staffordshire Bull Terrier.  Atsme 💬 📧 16:31, 7 April 2022 (UTC) Adding:, did you ever get a chance to weigh-in here?  Atsme  💬 📧 12:42, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

NPPS
Hello Atsme! I am HouseBlaster, and I like to work with backlogs on Wikipedia. Would you be willing to train me as a NPP reviewer? I am a frequent vandalism fighter. When fighting vandalism, there are of course times when I have gone to revert something and discovered that a newbie got to it first. Welcoming and thanking them is probably the best part of working on Wikipedia, and NPP appears to give plenty of opportunity to interact with newer constructive editors. The first article I wrote was deleted, and while I have created a stub on a notable subject, I also feel that NPP school will be beneficial in my understanding of notability. In short, I think that NPPS will help me help others and improve my understanding this encyclopedia. Thanks, HouseBlastertalk 20:03, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Welcome, !! I am indeed willing and most of the time, able. Let's begin with the first part of the course - I pinged you there.  We will do 1 section at a time, but first you'll have to do some reading.  Remember to ping me when you have questions, or complete an exercise.  Atsme  💬 📧 20:44, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Thank you, MONGO! It's good to hear from you. Hope all is well with the updating of your FAs!  Atsme 💬 📧 12:28, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

April
you and no power - almost a contradiction! - two people on DYK, both connected to Oper Frankfurt, and don't miss yesterday's video of Pink Floyd given to me! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:30, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Apologies for not responding to your beautiful photo, and DYK info. I have been incredibly busy of late, much of it being an unwarranted waste of my valuable time.  Atsme 💬 📧 12:46, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I know the feeling, - two more DYK today, both meaningful - best keep watching ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:35, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Main Page history/2022 April 13: the TFA is hard to overlook, but there are also peace prayers, a soprano and a theatre manager, - if you don't find them try here --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:23, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
 * rich in music and memories --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:30, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Easter - resilience - Spring - thank you for improving articles in April --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:47, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you today for American paddlefish, introduced (in 2014): "This article is about the planktivorous American paddlefish, a relict species of ray-finned fish native to North America. American paddlefish (Polyodon spathula) are one of only two remaining taxa in the Polyodontidae family, and the only living species in the genus Polyodon. They are among the largest and longest lived freshwater fishes in North America. They have been extirpated from most of their historic range, and are currently listed as vulnerable (VU A3de ver 3.1) on the IUCN Red List of Threatened Species."!

dance and singing, peace doves and icecream --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:10, 23 April 2022 (UTC)


 * As soon as I got to WP today, I saw that handsome fish on the main page! Congrats! --Tryptofish (talk) 20:45, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
 * SMirC-shy.svg A very uplifting way to start the day! Thank you!!   Atsme  💬 📧 21:14, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
 * updated with a more prominent link to how to listen to the concert: Freiheit! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:14, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
 * another Ukraine day today: Maks Levin DYK, expanding Kyiv Symphony Orchestra (have tickets), and creating Anthony Robin Schneider, the bass who could be heard opening the singing in Beethoven's Ninth twice on 10 March 2022, live in Frankfurt, Germany, and recorded in Auckland, New Zealand, singing "Freiheit!" (freedom) instead of "Freude" (joy), in a tradition started after the Fall of the Wall. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:43, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Dove sono (Where are those happy moments ...?) - concert with Kyiv orchestra and Aleksey Semenenko (quite a story!) tonight --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:52, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

NPP School
Hi Atsme, I think I'm ready to start the NPR school now. Zippybonzo &#124; <b style="color:blue">talk</b> 07:42, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Alrighty then, give me a little time to set up the course for you. And welcome aboard, !. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 12:11, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Seen as it might be better here than on a new thread, after a bit of thinking and reading of discussions and tables and flowcharts, I think I’m ready to try again at (and hopefully finish) the reviews at the NPP school seen as I thought it may have been better using the flowchart on the NPP tutorial page, ping me back when/if you are ready. <b style="color:green">Zippybonzo</b> &#124; <b style="color:blue">talk</b> 06:56, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Wonderful news, ! Ok - give me a day or two to finish an article I just created, and to review another student's work, and I'll ping you when ready. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme  💬 📧 15:32, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok, I will probably finish some GOCE drive work until then. <b style="color:green">Zippybonzo</b> &#124; <b style="color:blue">talk</b> 16:28, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

May songs
today performances in Ukraine - for Ukraine - for peace, at the bottom an imaginary set of eight DYK --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:39, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 21:45, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * today more pics, and should this woman have an article? - or only her sons? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:20, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * , notability is not inherited. I'm not seeing anything that establishes notability beyond the marriages and raising children. A redirect to one of the notables and maybe a short paragraph about her. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 20:06, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect would be a good option if there was one child, but now we have seven, and four with an article, - to redirect to one seemed unfair to me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:11, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Add a paragraph in the bio of the first born notable, then in the bios of the other 3, wikilink back to that paragraph (hashtag the section name). <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme  💬 📧 20:31, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I know how it works, but still think it's not fair. (and if that way, I'd add "her" to the youngest whose article is the shortest. Nikolaus was the eldest, and that article isn't even by me. What would you think if you had written a bio, and someone else loaded it with a para about the mother?) Also, "inherited"? These children inherited, she founded what they became. It's not a work that makes headlines. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:44, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the late response, – just so you'll know, I agree that, for the most part, women have long been given the short end of the notability stick. I've either read or been involved in some of the GNG/AfD/MERGE arguments over the past decade, and while Women In Red have made great strides in getting more biographies/BLPs of women published in WP, there's still a great imbalance, primarily because the coverage isn't readily available, doesn't exist, or it doesn't meet WP:N or GNG requirements.  Many cultures still see women as inferior or subordinate, and don't write about them.  I seriously doubt we'd get enough support for lowering the coverage requirements for stay-at-home/working/single Moms who were talented in their own right, and gave birth to, were married to, or had parents who were notable people. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme  💬 📧 16:17, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Our readers seem to think differently, - more interest than any other DYK this year, and nobody said she was not worth mentioning. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:29, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I just got a chance to look a little deeper into the article. I don't think you have anything to worry about, sweetie. Even if someone decided it wasn't notable, they'd have to go through AfD and I don't think they'd get the consensus needed for deletion. You already have editors supporting it. The DYK result should also provide a convincing argument on its own. I have managed to save a few bios about women, and as long as I'm able, will continue to do my part. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 17:43, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

today Melody (not by me), and more pics --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:00, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

a strong woman --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:44, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter May 2022
Hello ,

At the time of the last newsletter (No.26, September 2021), the backlog was 'only' just over 6,000 articles. In the past six months, the backlog has reached nearly 16,000, a staggering level not seen in several years. A very small number of users had been doing the vast majority of the reviews. Due to "burn-out", we have recently lost most of this effort. Furthermore, several reviewers have been stripped of the user right for abuse of privilege and the articles they patrolled were put back in the queue.

Several discussions on the state of the process have taken place on the talk page, but there has been no action to make any changes. The project also lacks coordination since the "position" is vacant.

In the last 30 days, only 100 reviewers have made more than 8 patrols and only 50 have averaged one review a day. There are currently Special:ListUsers/patroller New Page Reviewers, but about a third have not had any activity in the past month. All administrators have this permission, but only about a dozen significantly contribute to NPP.

This means we have an active pool of about 450 to address the backlog. We cannot rely on a few to do most of the work as that inevitably leads to burnout. A fairly experienced reviewer can usually do a review in a few minutes. If every active reviewer would patrol just one article per day, the backlog would very quickly disappear.

If you have noticed a user with a good understanding of Wikipedia notability and deletion, do suggest they help the effort by placing on their talk page.

If you are no longer very active on Wikipedia or you no longer wish to be part of the New Page Reviewer user group, please consider asking any admin to remove you from the list. This will enable NPP to have a better overview of its performance and what improvements need to be made to the process and its software.

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Sweet
Love your new addition to your user page. I never had the opportunity to get to know Rexx and I may have run into Kudpung a time or two but I could be mistaken and only know them by what is left of them here, their words. I feel as though I know both of them well by what we do have of them. I know they both had an impact on many editors and the majority was positive. In turn all of you have had an impact on me. I know their exit from the project has left voids that have been extremely hard to fill. The work you do with NPP is not unnoticed. NPP is a very necessary but unappreciated task. But, as you can see above, there are those that see the need to continue the task and those that appreciate the ones that are involved in doing it. I just wanted to leave a message telling you, personally, how much you are appreciated and needed. We miss the ones that have left. We relish the memories we made with them. But we honor them by cherishing those we still have here. The ones that keep the project alive. -- A Rose Wolf  14:56, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
 * What a beautiful sentiment, and lovely way to start my day. Thank you ARoseWolf...you are indeed a special person who has adorned my WP life and sincerely appreciated.  <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme  💬 📧 15:12, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Dog attack
Just curious as to why you removed one of the entries at List of fatal dog attacks in the United States. It had reliable sources. 204.116.251.194 (talk) 05:44, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Apologies for the late reply, IP - but those sources may very well be considered RS; the problem is that the material provided was (1) local not nationally or globally encyclopedic, (2) it fails WP:V as to what actually happened, not to mention, WP:NOTNEWS, WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:NOTINDISCRIMINATE, and (3) the report itself was based on assumptions. Those fatal dog attack lists need a lot of work but I simply don't have the time for it right now. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 23:01, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Unreview of Blue Paul Terrier
Hello Atsme, thanks for your note on my talk page regarding the unreview of Blue Paul Terrier. I can see that it is a very old article about an extinct dog breed which was created more than 16 years ago, several editors had already edited this article and it was also the oldest article in que which was still showing as unreviewed and so because of these reasons, I had marked it as reviewed. But now I can see that the article has been unreviewed and nominated for deletion. Hence, may I know what are the issues with this article and why was it unreviewed? TheGeneralUser (talk) 12:41, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, - thank you for seeking input.  I'll begin by saying that the Blue Paul Terrier (a) is not a bona fide breed, (b) it fails GNG and V, and (c) the authors of the only 2 cited sources even admit that the dog's origins are unknown. Isn't it a bit of a  for unpedigreed dogs with no official recognition to go extinct in the 1800s? SMirC-cool.svg Harris even used the words "...mysterious...", "...shrouded in uncertainty..." and "...the fable continued..." (pg 31-32 The Bully Breeds). See my reply at the AfD, and at the article TP where I had to deflect some PAs.  That's the bad part of working NPP – deflecting PAs, hoping admins will work with you instead of against you when you PROD, CSD or AfD, especially when it's a content issue. Established, long term NPP reviewers have the curation tool advantage, and typically don't act without being confident of their choices. NPP is just as overworked as our admin force, and I'm hoping one day we will be able to work better together for the sake of our valuable volunteer time, and for the advancement of the project. I'm certainly not going to AfD an article that passes WP:N & WP:V.  If it's problematic, I'd either send it to draft (if it's salvageable), or fix it myself, which is what I teach my NPP students. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme  💬 📧 16:46, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I also commend a visit to the AfD and the talk page, which may shed light on this and other actions regarding the article. Mutt Lunker (talk) 21:47, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Okay, thank you for explaining everything Atsme. TheGeneralUser (talk) 07:11, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Fingers crossed for ArbCom
TPWs - heads up! Have you seen this announcement by CaptainEek? <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 05:45, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Stop monkeying around. And don't ape what I just said. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:09, 12 May 2022 (UTC)



NPPS 3: Attack of the Canine
Hello, I hope you are well! I wanted to express my interest in attending your new page patroller school if a spot is open. My primary motivation (aside from wishing to assist the reviewing of new pages) is to receive direct 1-on-1 mentorship about some of the core content Wikipedia policies (e.g WP:NOTABILITY, WP:BLP, etc). While I have a passing understanding of them, I've never really put them into practice, as I've mostly stuck to just vandal fighting and answering edit requests. I commonly get lost in the weeds, despite being an editor with 3.5k edits and being about 1.5 years old, and so I tend bow out. I feel this course would give me the kick I need to understand them with enough depth to both perform the work of a new page patroller and more confidently assist the encyclopedia elsewhere (such as productively participating at discussions and both confidently add and review article content).

I look forward to hearing back from you, and cheers! — Sirdog (talk) 07:33, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Absolutely, - this is a good direction to pursue. Kudos!  I will ping you to the training page as soon as I get it set-up. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme  💬 📧 11:27, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Peacock Tag
Hello, you added a peacock tag on this page. If I understand correctly, you are questioning the neutrality of individual passages and/or a lack of sources. Can you name the text passages that you question? Preferably right here. I will rewrite or replace them if you do so.

Thanks and regards 84.154.96.65 (talk) 15:01, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, IP - I went ahead and cleaned it up a bit. See MOS:PEACOCK which will help you better understand why I tagged it. Also, in the future you should avoid adding citations within a sentence or after commas, and add them at the end of the sentence or paragraph. If you have to use different citations within the same sentence, you are probably non-compliant with WP:SYNTH. Happy editing! <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme  💬 📧 16:50, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Good, I guess i see your point now. There was no intention to be biased or to promote anything, but i called some movies "commercially successful", "quite succesful" "poorly received" that apparently irritated you while reading it. Such a predicate in summary is always somewhat subjective BUT no bad intention here since i see these expressions on many pages about actors and films. I added the cinematic sales as a source fpr it (but with no indication about the budget), mostly in the middle of a sentence and will remove them again. 87.152.234.178 (talk) 13:59, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Apart from that, a second look in the grammar is definitely worth the effort. 87.152.234.178 (talk) 14:03, 8 June 2022 (UTC)


 * IP - if you check back here, I started a User talk page for you: User_talk:87.152.234.178 <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 16:00, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Seen this
that’s lots of money for something you can do yourself and someone left a review saying that we deleted it rather than approving it. 😂I would do some investigation but it is better left for the admins, it really is a bit of a scam though. &#124; <b style="color:green">Zippybonzo</b> &#124;  <b style="color:red">Talk</b> &#124;  08:18, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Or this ? &#124; <b style="color:green">Zippybonzo</b> &#124;  <b style="color:red">Talk</b> &#124;  08:20, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
 * SMirC-unnerved.svg - that explains our backlogged queue. And equally as interesting is this diff. The UPE disclosing UPE?? Unbelievable. We are at the give an inch, take a mile stage of COI. In the past, I suggested categorically dividing WP into Volumes using slightly different urls. For example, WP:Vol 10 Corps-NPOs-FPOs and the url would be along the lines of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki-corp/3M to hopefully create a Google search that keeps them separated from real encyclopedic content (taxonomy, species, history, etc.)  It's a thought. Cuerpo humano jaqaru.jpg <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme  💬 📧 13:58, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

I haven’t found any COI editors yet, but I have only been patrolling for 2 days. The backlog is on its way down though. 😊 &#124; <b style="color:green">Zippybonzo</b> &#124;  <b style="color:red">Talk</b> &#124;  16:46, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

NPP training
Hi Atsme, you probably know me for correcting that typo on your NPP training page, far as I know.

However, I think it's time to properly introduce myself: I'm 3PPYB6, a counter-vandal with about 8+ months' experience.

Despite all this, though, I really think I should become a more well-rounded editor by reviewing some new pages and really getting more experience in content creating.

So, if a spot is open, could I sign up for your NPP training? For clarity, no editor is in my same time zone but you're probably the closest I can get. Thanks! — 3PPYB6 — T ALK — C ONTRIBS  — 13:15, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Wonderful news, ❗️ NPP is in need of quality reviewers such as you, and quite frankly, I am elated while at the same time humbled that my NPP training course is being graced with such exceptional editors. I will prepare a lesson page for you, so keep an eye out for my ping. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 13:45, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Alright, see you there! — 3PPYB6 — T ALK — C ONTRIBS  — 13:47, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Your NEQUESTRIAN proposal
I still recommend you take your suggestion to a relevant sports wikiproject for fine-tuning and then bring it back to NSPORT with a clearer RfC proposal. You should also read the prior discussions on the talk page, in particular this one, where the majority of sport-specific guidance was updated to reflect new consensuses from the WP:NSPORTS2022 RfC. If NEQUESTRIAN needs revising, which I assume it does given what you've said, it has to be done in line with how the rest of NSPORT operates and receive consensus support from the wider community. JoelleJay (talk) 20:25, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, - sounds like a plan. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme  💬 📧 20:58, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Updates on NPP training
Hi—I haven't forgotten about the NPP course—just that real-life events are consuming me too much this week. I'll be editing sporadically, but will be fully back on June 4. Just wanted to let you know. Thanks. 3PPYB6 (public) (talk) 00:25, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * No deadline - it will be there when you return...just be sure to return. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 17:58, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Just to avoid a misunderstanding
I think this is an edit conflict - one which I got no wind of until I had already reverted my own changes :) RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 19:31, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I’m on an iPad - if I screwed up, please accept my apologies. I made note of it on Talk:Notability before seeing this. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 19:33, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Well-deserved! --Tryptofish (talk) 20:24, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Tryp!, thank you for such a sweet compliment and for being an excellent collaborator and student. I wish you well in your NPR endeavors, and if you ever have any questions, remember what I said in the lesson.  Oh, and a very interesting discussion that I highly recommend reading. There were good points made on both sides. I recently experienced something very similar relative to what is/isn't OR and V. Happy editing! <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme  💬 📧 23:59, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
 * My pleasure! I enjoyed that discussion - thanks for passing it along! HouseBlastertalk 12:46, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Awww...how sweet!! Thank you, Zippy!!  There's lots of work to do at NPP–AfC, but I believe you can do it and do it well. Again, congratulations! 👏🏻🎊🙌🏻🎉🥳🥂 <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme  💬 📧 15:26, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Deserved. Any appreciation I offer now will be a mere (star-shaped) shadow. Ready for some reviewing subjects, ma'am. BusterD (talk) 14:12, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Awww,, you just launched me to Cloud Nine - not to be confused with iCloud. Your reviews are on the way!! SMirC-wink.svg <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 16:10, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Sounds nice! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:23, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * TY for sharing, Martin – sure do miss him!! <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 18:13, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

On a side note, even though none of the admins have gotten round to reviewing my permission request, I have been tagging a few articles and also taking a few to AfD. <b style="color:green">Zippybonzo</b> &#124; <b style="color:blue">talk</b> 17:22, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Good job! Admins are backlogged like we are, and please remember...don't tag what you can easily fix. I noticed articles in the queue that should not be in the queue, so maybe we're not as backlogged as I once thought. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme  💬 📧 17:50, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * By articles in the queue that shouldn’t be in the queue, do you mean reviewed pages? Because you can filter those out. &#124; <b style="color:green">Zippybonzo</b> &#124;  <b style="color:red">Talk</b> &#124;  18:03, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * See most recent TP discussion at NPP. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 18:09, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

I stop in to say hello, and I find you have been given a barnstar for your stellar work at NPPS! Congratulations! I also see that you have no fewer than three students on the go at the present moment—I seem to have started a trend in the demand for your NPPS services ;). Hope you are doing well, and again, thank you for helping me (and evidently many others) out! HouseBlastertalk 17:38, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Well dearest, it sure looks that way, huh? You little trendsetter, you!! Thank you for being such a remarkable participant, and for helping to reduce the NPP backlog, which is what you've been busy doing, right? SMirC-wink.svg You're welcome here anytime!! It's rarely boring at  <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme  💬 📧 17:55, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Not meaning to ruin your autoarchival by restarting the conversation, but why the curly brackets around ‘Anything’s Possible!’ Also, have you signed up for the backlog drive yet? I think that Buidhe is sending out an MMS soonish to do more promotion. Also, I doubt me and HouseBlaster have helped keep your time free, sorry. But NPP does need the reviewers. &#124; <b style="color:green">Zippybonzo</b> &#124;   <b style="color:red">Talk</b> &#124;  13:52, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The curly brackets represent tremors or earth shaking vibes radiating from the text. I don't participate in "drives" because my work at NPP focuses on other things, primarily to not rush a review. Unfortunately, drives encourage such behavior. Instead, I look for remedies to eliminate the root cause of backlogs, and help behind the scenes. I contribute to the review process during practice sessions with my trainees, and also review on my own when I have time. I carefully measure my time in each of the projects I work on, which includes my work as a VRT member on Commons, image uploads, en.Wiki content creator, team member for Project Dogs, Project Equine, and several others. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme  💬 📧 14:12, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Featured picture scheduled for POTD
Hi Atsme,

This is to let you know that File:Vincent van Gogh - Wheatfield with a reaper - Google Art Project.jpg, a featured picture you uploaded or nominated, has been selected as the English Wikipedia's picture of the day (POTD) for June 24, 2022. A preview of the POTD is displayed below and can be edited at Template:POTD/2022-06-24. If you have any concerns, please place a message at Wikipedia talk:Picture of the day. Thank you! Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.8% of all FPs 16:00, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
I am both honored & humbled by it, Kudz. Thank YOU for spreading a little sunshine where it's needed most. It's good to know you're still there, even if it's only part time. 🫶🏻 <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme  💬 📧 03:34, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

NPP School: Availability to take a student
Hello! I've been interested in NPP school for awhile and was wondering if you had time and space to take me on as a student. I'm a graduate student so my time is pretty flexible this summer. Currently I've been working on a project to add conservation statuses to plant articles that don't have them. This has included writing a bot (still waiting on approval) and learning a bunch about plants (I'm not a botanist just a nerd). If you have any questions or comments just feel free to let me know, thank you for your time and this opportunity.  Dr vulpes  (💬 • 📝) 05:01, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I actually do have an opening - 2, in fact. I will setup the course, and ping you to the page. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 10:53, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Arbitration case opened
You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct_in_deletion-related_editing. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct_in_deletion-related_editing/Evidence. Please add your evidence by July 9, 2022, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct_in_deletion-related_editing/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, firefly  ( t · c ) 11:21, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

June songs
Thank you for improving articles in June! My song collection is especially rich, look, and the hall where I first heard DFD, Pierre Boulez and Murray Perahia. Do you find the baby deer in the meadow (last row)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:21, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Hugs, Gerda!! Thank you! <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme  💬 📧 12:24, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you, – and happy patrolling!! <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme  💬 📧 21:16, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Something we should all consider
I don't want this to get lost in the archives – it speaks volumes: Special Report, 2018-06-29 <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme  💬 📧 18:07, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

NPP?
Hi Atsme,

Was wondering whether you were still doing NPP training–type stuff. I'd like to be a page curator at some point. I've seriously edited here for about a year and have a couple thousand contributions to mainspace, and have some idea of the NPP flowchart, but my knowledge of notability guidelines is somewhat wanting. Ovinus (talk) 00:52, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, - I am an active trainer, and would be happy to setup the course for you. Just say when. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme  💬 📧 02:48, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Awesome :) Probably in a week. Ovinus (talk) 03:14, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Alright, I think I'm ready to begin now. Ovinus (talk) 03:26, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I will ping you to the tutorial page when it's ready. Happy tutoreeing! <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 11:20, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Tutoreeing. (But don't ask me what tutorrhea is.) --Tryptofish (talk) 18:46, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * 005-rolling-on-the-floor-laughing-2.svg <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 23:16, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Promotional hotel articles
With regard to AslamMurmu's 110 articles, I haven't looked, but if they are all owned by the same group, then of course UPE is very likely. For any that clearly don't pass notability guidelines, the answer is to plod through them all and CSD them and if there are any minor doubts, send them to AfD. That's what I used to do. He'll get notifications on his tp so if he still hasn't understood it will be a strong reminder. The big problem, especially for patrollers, is that as more countries in the traditionally developing world get better Internet connections, the Wikipedia will continue to grow, but en.Wiki is very fast becoming the 'Southasian Wikipedia in English' - if it isn't already, which makes NPP a very boring and thankless task to say the least. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:36, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * WP is, in big part, a numbers game, so it makes sense that the billions that comprise the South Asian majorities would eventually dominate. AI style encyclopedias like Botipedia are on the way!! <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 03:35, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

NPP July 2022 backlog drive is on!
(t &#183; c)  buidhe  20:25, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Your note
I received your note and your kindness is very much appreciated. Best, Mackensen (talk) 19:25, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Notability of article
Hi, Atsme! I've been engaging in a discussion with an editor who claims to be the subject of Éamonn Ó Catháin. (Further background here and my removal of content here.) I've done my best to be understanding and explain policies on the editor's talk page, but he has indicated that he would prefer deletion. I don't know that WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE applies, but I'm not very experienced in notability so I figured it would be best to ask someone more experienced. Perfect4th (talk) 13:04, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * , start with this WMF article Right to Erasure. Based on my past experiences, when/if the BLP contacts the WMF, the WMF contacts WP:VRT for a response. I am also a member of VRT, and among the first things we would do is review the article & its TP to get up to speed. I would support exclusion of material about his family as they are neither directly associated with his notability as an author, chef or tv personality. Another thought to consider is WP:EXTRAORDINARY and all relative BLP requirements (multiple RS) before I would even consider keeping such material. As for the BLP itself, it could be argued that he is not notable, but the best way to resolve that question is via an AfD. His BLP is screaming for RS. hth ~ <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme  💬 📧 17:52, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Would it be best for the editor to contact the WMF then, or should the article go to AfD? Perfect4th (talk) 22:34, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I suggest AfD and let the community decide. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 00:39, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for your help! Perfect4th (talk) 22:00, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * SMirC-thumbsup.svg <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 23:56, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

About the patroll group.
Hi Atsme,

Recently I found out about the patroll group, I understand the basics and have a high knowledge of what to do, I did have an account before this but I couldn't trace it back to the old password but I do remember it was years back and I was good at Wikipedia and I want to start again. My question is, do you have to pass the school to become one? Note: If not please just go ahead and go through the steps on how I can pass the school.

Yours Truly,

BettyCrocker321 (talk) 01:02, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * , you need to show a much better understanding of Copyright policy first. Cullen328 (talk) 01:29, 22 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, BettyCrocker321 - thank you for your interest in NPPSCHOOL. Please see WP:NPR which provides an overview of the NPP User Rights. NPP is not a cake walk by any means, and since it has been a while since you have edited and only have 33 edits under your belt, you might consider checking out WP:CVUA first. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme  💬 📧 01:30, 22 August 2022 (UTC) Adding – and what Cullen328 said. 01:32, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Cullen328, not to start problems, but you need to please mind your own business. I asked this gentlemen who is a member of the Vandalism Unit, not you. As per both my last messages on my talk page, I was mistaken. I don't care who you are, and what your rank is on the Wikipedia page, I will ignore your messages to me if you further start problems.
 * Other than that, thank you Atsme for your advice.
 * Yours Truly,
 * BettyCrocker321 (talk) 01:38, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I am sorry,, but I am an administrator and I am obligated to deal with copyright violations when I see them. It is a legal requirement. If you ignore my messages and continue violating policies, you may end up being blocked. Cullen328 (talk) 02:01, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * You're not understanding, User:Cullen328
 * You can freely say I am copyrighting and can ask me to stop, and I will,
 * But going to other people's talk pages to comment to my inquire to them, no. So if it's other than saying I accidentally uploaded a copyright file, or something important like that, then don't comment. I didn't need your input after your two messages already.
 * Yours Truly,
 * BettyCrocker321 (talk) 02:05, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I understand quite clearly, . You wrote . My business on this website is to enforce Wikipedia's Policies and guidelines so expect me to keep doing so. Cullen328 (talk) 02:34, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * As per my last message. Look.
 * Also, please stop using Atsme's talk page to start problems with me. It may be bothering him. If you wish to keep on going, prefer going to my talk page instead.
 * Yours Truly,
 * BettyCrocker321 (talk) 02:42, 22 August 2022 (UTC)