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Transfers Again
I know we've generally listed the players old club when adding a transfer despite that player having been a free agent for a numbers of months. But seeing as where into a new transfer window this might be very misleading in the case of Darren McCormack which you added to the transfer list he was a free agent the since the summer & has now joined East Fife. So basically what I'm saying is, you & I both now he was released in the summer & only now has found a new club but a reader of the transfer list article would think he has just left Ross County now unless they read the reference, there has to be some cut of point don't you think. So I suggest removing this particular transfer if you don't mind & I think we need to discuss how best to added these type of transfers the season pages. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 01:20, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't necessarily agree, but if we were to use a footnote in this circumstance how would you phrase it. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 09:36, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not the timeline per se it's fact were into another transfer window. Someone who left a club in May & didn't join another until October it fairly obvious. But someone who left in September then joined in January could be misinterpreted. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 10:02, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You raise a good point with Balogh having left in December, I don't want to be excluded a number of transfers I want the article to be as informative as possible. I'll add a note shortly. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 10:35, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Ross Gray
I was just wondering why you haven't added his article to the mainspace, has been a draft for quiet a while. He's played in the Challenge Cup for Livingston this season so I don't see the problem. Anyway looks like it's going to be a busy day today glad your not taking a break till Tuesday. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 14:42, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, Enjoy the match. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 14:57, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I thought it was going to be a rout, seems Ross County got the big scoreline. Don't forget to added Fordyce to NA later. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 17:06, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

User:SinkalouCfc
Well that's one of shortest times between account creation & being blocked indefinitely I've ever seen. The football vandals are busy today. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 23:02, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Scope
Does this guy fall within our Taskforce scope. Born in England I think, never played in Scotland but was selected for Scotland under-16's but never played for them. The only reason I ask is because he is currectly at AfD & if he falls under are scope I was going to add to the Taskforce's Nominations for deletion and page moves. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 19:29, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Nothing to suggest he has played for u-16's, shall I leave him out of the list? But while were on the topic of scope some of these need tagging although I don't know what importance rating to give them it hasn't been discussed before. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 20:09, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry misinterpreted last message &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 20:18, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Low was what I was thinking, no its ok I'll do them now. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 23:51, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

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Sockpuppet accusation
Listen guy. If you are going to accuse me of being a sockpuppet, you have to give me a specific link to the false-accuation discussion.

Many thanks. Turtlewaxingmycar (talk) 14:31, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

ANI
Hi EW, please don't get disheartened. Maybe take a few hours or even days off to forget it and calm down, and then come back with a fresh head. Where would the Scottish Football project be without you, eh? ;) GiantSnowman 12:51, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * We all feel fed up or annoyed at how Wikipedia works sometimes, but it's positives outweighs its negatives by far. Why not stick to footall articles for now while we try & work this situation out? GiantSnowman 12:59, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You should try talking through with an editor before taking it to ANI, even if he does wind you up. Like I said, there's no point getting worked up over this. GiantSnowman 13:15, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Without diffs it's nearly impossible to see what has actually gone on. When you next have the time, please locate some so that admins can see. GiantSnowman 13:22, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * that won't be until Sunday I don't have any computer access other than my phone so it's impossible to do. I'm in London with work. Edinburgh   Wanderer  13:26, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Well on Sunday we can have a proper look can't we, try and get this sorted. In the meantime an interaction ban seems like a good idea for all involved. GiantSnowman 13:37, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You'd be surprised, and it's worth a shot. GiantSnowman 13:50, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

You did a good thing in flagging the initial edit, as it clearly wasn't WP:NPOV. It wasn't vandalism either, and as igloo is alpha vandalism only software, it wasn't the best choice. Try to look at it from TWMC's point of view -- if they incorrectly conclude that Wikipedia is censored, and their posts are just going to be reverted, what motivation due they have to bother to learn or follow community standards? It makes sense that they'd just rant until the end up being blocked -- what difference does it make to them if they can't edit anyway? What I'd like to see -- what would be best for Wikipedia -- is to have two productive editors come away from this. It's not that the community is saying TWMC's behavior is acceptable, it's saying that there are better ways of dealing with it. Systematically demonstrate the falsity of their claims -- censored re Fast and Furious? Post link to article. False claims you didn't notify them of the ANIs? Diffs to the notification. Breur article censored becausePOV edits on the articles with (possibly) sketchy sources are reverted? Insert neutral statements from good sources. Let's give them time and space to react -- if inappropriate behavior continues, it can be addressed then. Nobody Ent 14:13, 12 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, I will be going for RFA soon - just sorting a few things out/finding the time. GiantSnowman 16:54, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Reply
Yeah I started some debate there, the Boca version looks like the best solution at present. Thumperward applied Football squad player2 to Ayr’s page but I reverted it simply on the basis the debate was on-going. This is how it looked see here. I’ll try to do as many season pages as I can on Saturday didn’t do that many last week. I’m going to create an article on Ryan Donnelly as he has once played in the Scottish First Division & is attracting a lot of attention, but found a few issues with 2010–11 Airdrie United F.C. season. I’m going to make a few alterations but you may want to double check when your back properly. Sorry I didn’t reply faster your message displayed as a ghost message because of Rusty, had to fix my talk page then It looked like I sent myself a message so had to fix that. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 15:28, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * No, I think it's a disaster could you imagine Genoa loan section in a none split format. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 16:55, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * They also haven't seemed to taken into consideration that some teams don't have squad no.s & all the templates have their issue with this but Football squad player2 looks by far the worst without squad numbers. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 17:02, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * That's nonsense, if it didn't matter how things looked nobody would ever fix anything. I may have started the discussion but didn't bother commenting as some of these wider debates have a underlying sense of prention & sarcasm which I just have no time for. As for the season page Donnelly stats & the Scottish Cup stats. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 17:20, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * He definitely played in 3 Scottish Cup matches not 2, I know you had an issue with the match reports for the Beith match & as a result other Scottish Cup stats could be wrong. He may also have made 17 league appearances not 16 but i'm not so sure about that. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 17:38, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I found a Scotsman Report that confirms the used subs. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 17:58, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a plan, what I do is open Microsoft Word added the players names there & added 1+0, then 2+0 or 1+1 & so on as I go through the match reports,then added the totals to the table at the end. Slow but accurate. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 19:31, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I suggest you add Kal Naismith to the mainspace tonight before someone else does he started for Partick tonight. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 20:03, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

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Flags
Hi, re MOS Flags, it says that flags may sometimes be appropriate when the subject 'represents that country' but of course that doesn't directly apply to club squad lists, and what about the majority of players who have not played for a national team anyway. Re trigram, the name of the country should be listed in full. However, the key point is we should not be ascribing 'nationality' to players when there is no evidence. The new format is more accurate as it mentions country of birth. Regards. Eldumpo (talk) 20:49, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Sorry :(
I don't think that's going to happen. Maybe Templeton, but I can't see Celtic signing anyone else for the first team in this transfer window. I'm still unconvinced that what's going on at Hearts currently is completely true. They're clearly in financial difficulties and need money but almost halfway through the transfer window only three players have gone. Yet the one player to leave for a fee has gone for, IMO, a vastly under-valued amount. It doesn't make sense to me. Adam4267 (talk) 22:02, 14 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I really don't understand what's happening there. At the start of the season I thought they showed great ambition by signing guys like Sutton, Taouil, Grainger and Fowler. Also with the amount of good players already there like Skacel, Templeton, Stevenson, Black, Jonsson, Webster, Kello, Zaliukas, McGowan, Obua and Elliot. I seriously thought they were going to challenge Rangers for second spot. But it just all seems to have fallen apart and Vlad is apparently jettisoning. Although I can't see anyone paying £30 million for them. Adam4267 (talk) 22:20, 14 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't know if that would happen but it is just a crazy situation. Adam4267 (talk) 22:30, 14 January 2012 (UTC)


 * The problem with that would be the state of the pitch would be terrible for Hearts. Adam4267 (talk) 23:05, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Screen readers
Hello. No idea about usage, sorry. Might be worth asking the user whose page I linked to, User:RexxS, or at WT:WikiProject Accessibility. Also, might be worth pointing that project at the footy discussion, see if anyone there has a view on the subject. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 10:17, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Scottish pages - General
Four left, it's alright i'll finish them. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 01:05, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually could you finish the last three I'm sick off looking at them. Dundee Utd, Dunfermline & St. Mirren left. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 01:43, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I've a few transfers to do tomorrow & I've to double check whether some free agents that played yesterday were on trial or joined on a short term contract. Will hopefully get back to Dundee list seasons later in the week want to make it a Featured List. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 01:50, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * No, I had noticed he hadn't replied, I would just add them yourself if he won't respond. He has created a lot of articles in December. You should take a look at Steve Kean's article if you want a giggle an admin is removing a lead to short tag because it looks ugly. An admin really???? &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 02:08, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm updating all the squads & now moving onto the templates, but was just wondering whats the story with Calum Elliot he's not listed on Hearts page in current squad or loan section & he is listed on Dundee's page as on loan but I think that's expired. I know the rumour was he was to be released but was it made official? &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 21:08, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarifying, there's a lot of players becoming free agents in this transfer window. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 21:18, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * That's really odd I checked his article yesterday & Hearts season page & they didn't show anything & now I check them & you updated them ages ago weird. I think I need a brake. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 21:28, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah it looks surprisingly well, I think you could get away with #B03060 a lighter shade of maroon. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 22:24, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Bit of an odd move for him, you can see why Thomson went but I don't know why Elliot went. I'll add him to the list in a minute & I don't know how many season pages I'll get done have to wait for these Sh1ts to fully fix my broadband. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 22:31, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Done the SPL & First Division ones, took me as long to do 14 this week as it did 29 last Saturday, stupid broadband. Anyway won't be online for the rest of today be back Monday. &#9733;&#9734;  DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 01:53, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

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Hamilton captains
I think it's Simon Mensing but I don't have a source to confirm it, so no good - sorry. I can ask at the forum if you want, I've completely forgotten I had an account there! GiantSnowman 20:37, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Neil = 1, McLaughlin = 2, Cerny = 3. A foum is not a reliable source, however. Best off looking at match reports etc. GiantSnowman 21:39, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * No worries, any time. GiantSnowman 21:45, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Airdrie United F.C.
I was going to create a list of Dundee F.C. players but decided against it as it would be virtually impossible to source players pre 1946 so would you mind if I created a List of Airdrie United F.C. players or were you planning to do it yourself. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 22:08, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Grand, i'll start that tomorrow then. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 22:19, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Wikibreak
Hey EW, just wanted to inform you that I am taking a Wikibreak and will not be on for the foreseeable future. If you don't mind keeping an eye on Gary Hooper and Scott Brown (Scottish footballer) that would be great. Thanks very much and KUTGW! Adam4267 (talk) 23:22, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
— cyberpower ( Chat )( WP Edits: 512,015,267 ) 01:51, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

new format for football players
I've seen you opposition on the talk page. What they have done is unilateral and there has been no consensus to make so radical changes to all football articles. The majority of wikipedians who edit football articles are unaware of these proposals and they should have been invited to discuss these major changes, let them have a say it it instead this small minority. It is really unfair they're doing. IJA (talk) 16:46, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Not to say many of the arguments are factually incorrect. Bladeboy1889 (talk) 19:38, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Which screen reader are you referring to? I've tested both in screen reader emulators and there is little difference.  In fact IJA uses a screen reader and says he has no problem.  The issue with the arguments being put forward are:

1. I don't buy the screen reader issue - as I said it worked fine in my test. If we're going to be pedantic the pages shouldn't use tables at all as tables don't meet full accessibility guidelines so to use that as a stick to beat a drum with is somewhat ironic. All layout should be divorced from content and be done through CSS or at the very least through DIVs. 2. The new layout is considerably worse in terms of it's content and the constant repetition of things like nation etc - this is poor for both screen readers and average users. 3. The table uses colour as decoration - this is against wikipedia style guidelines 4. The existing table works fine in smart phone browsers - the whole argument about half the table being cut off is completely untrue - you simply turn the phone to landscape and it works perfectly. 5. The new style table leads to excessive scrolling which is bad for usability and accessibility. 6. The new table increases the page weight considerably thus slowing down load times and increasing data usage on mobile browsers. 7. A single column table leave swathes of empty space - that again is poor for usability. Not every club side will have images to put there - particularly outside of the top divisions. I notice the Hearts one includes at least two images that I doubt are non-copyrighted which implies this format will encourage the use of inappropriate images. 8. But most of all it looks crap - the sort of thing that was put on websites about fifteen years ago.

Oh - and as for alt text on images, whoever is claiming that the ones used on the Watford page are good is way off the mark - the image of Adi Boothroyd talks about a man in his thirties with brown hair etc. That's a ridiculous alt text - the point of an alt is to convey the image in words - nowhere in that description does it say it's a picture of Adi Boothroyd being interviewed at Vicarage road!!

I think arguments being put forward by some users are deliberately misrepresenting technical considerations in order to baffle non-technical users and beat them into submission. I tend not to participate in WP:Football because of these very sort of 'discussions' where certain users ride roughshod over everyone else and believe that Wikipedia is their own personal fifedom where they dictate and others follow and anyone with a different opinion is insulted or berated (like you and IJA have been) until they give in or stop using Wikipedia all together. I've had these sort of 'discussions' with it's members before (including several of the same people involved now) and decided it just wasn't worth the effort Bladeboy1889 (talk) 21:01, 24 January 2012 (UTC)


 * A couple of points - One guy specifically goes on about tables not working in HTC browsers - he's he the one banging on about accessibility but he seems not to know how to use his own phone! The alt text on the Watford page is doing exactly what the MOS you cite specifically says not to do! As for "we can't do something because people wont do it properly" - what sort of argument is that?  If that's the standard then people should do it or it gets updated by someone who will - just in the same way as I'm always fixing poor edits and formatting from other users.

As for your trial - it won't make any difference - no matter how many people object certain users on WP will just dismiss all responses and just say 'we have consensus' and push ahead anyway and roll out their own pet change because that's how that project works. Bladeboy1889 (talk) 22:06, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm not getting at you btw - I know these aren't your arguments but that bunch on WP:Football make my blood boil. Bladeboy1889 (talk) 22:07, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh - and one final thing :o) - why should you remain neutral in the discussion? I don't see the pro-table mob being very neutral.  By agreeing to that they'll just claim you have agreed and are part of their 'consensus' (ie dictatorship).Bladeboy1889 (talk) 22:12, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Well as I said - good luck with that. In my opinion you and others are being bullied by certain individuals with a vested interest in making all users follow their guidelines who use lies and half truths to berate other genuine users.  WP Football is everything that is wrong with Wikipedia in a nutshell and I'd happily delete the lot of it if I thought I could get away with it.Bladeboy1889 (talk) 22:24, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Will be inactive on main space for the next week or so. Will respond to messages here however

Talkback
— cyberpower ( Chat )( WP Edits: 512,393,595 ) 22:52, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

ScottyBerg block
Just bringing the conversation over to your talk page since it probably doesn't belong at ScottyBerg's. You said (I'm paraphrasing) that Alison claimed Arbcom involvement when she made the block. Do you have a diff to support that? I could only find a comment she made about a day after the block, stating that she was then working with the committee to resolve the issue. I don't read that to mean that the committee was involved at the time of the block. alanyst 20:59, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Squad lists
For info - against my better judgement I've waded into the debate and provided extensive explanation of why I believe both the issue and the proposed trial to be flawed. I'm sure I'm going to live to regret this. Bladeboy1889 (talk) 16:43, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

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Scottish Football
I have a bit of a habit of making those types edits late as well like posting on a new users - user page rather than their talk page. Got nothing done I wanted to on Wiki this week, been busy. Peterhead's situation is a bit odd they're saying they loaned out the players but won't say who to, but the SFL are saying there to be sent out on loan & if no loan club can be found they'll be released. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 10:09, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that’s what I do doesn't take that long when you have them all bookmarked, some players will have played before the club has actually announced the player has signed like 2 weeks ago there was about 6. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 10:33, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It'll be interesting when we start creating articles on Cowdenbeath if they are in fact the ones who get promoted. They've the least articles on players of all the Second Division teams other than Albion Rovers. Hopefully the whole First Division debate will just blow over & not be another drawn-out argument like last year. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 16:45, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * They certainly have one of the best websites across all the divisions as far as the players profiles are concerned, which always helps. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 17:33, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Andy MacLean
Hamilton have released Andy MacLean, but when he joined them in the Summer where did he come from Brunswick City or Melbourne Victory. This is only source I could find when he joined which suggests Brunswick. Whereas these sources when he is released say Melbourne. But when they say Melbourne they could mean the city as Brunswick City FC are based in Melbourne.
 * I think Melbourne was being used as a generalised term, I don't think there is anything to suggest he played for the Victory. Thanks for the link. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 19:57, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Administrators' Noticeboard
I've added my opinion on the notice board & notified both Snowy & Adam who were involved last time however they're both on wikibreaks. So much for getting a good nights sleep. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 04:24, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * To be honest I don’t think there’s anything I need to comment about at WP:Football on the First Division. I think it’s clear to majority that its fully professional & I'm not going to waste my time arguing with a vandal. The IP clearly still has an agenda as he feels aggrieved over the League of Ireland status as not fully professional. As soon as the admins get their act together & deal with the situation correctly, I think this argument will just blow over & the First Division's status won’t be in jeopardy. &#9733;&#9734;  DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 12:47, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It became apparent the last time round, can't remember where exactly but it was pretty obvious, was around the time he went on about this being some sort of Scottish conspiracy, you know the time before he called us Zealots. Might just ask my parents is there something they're not telling me. Anyway try not to get to worked up about the situation. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 13:00, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

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RFA
Many thanks, much appreciated! GiantSnowman 16:08, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Enough
File your SPI at SPI - do not expect ANI to deal with it right now. To be honest, from what I see, their behaviour does not warrant even being called a "sock" at this point. You're allowing yourself to get riled up by a troll ... seriously ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 16:14, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * #1 - keep conversations together - I am watching your talkpage during any conversations that I might be asked further questions in. You really need to stop letting stupidity on a website affect your personally.  We don't allow NPA's ... but the definition is quite clear.  We don't allow racism.  The comments you point out are neither (yet).  The sock issue is for SPI - and may not actually be socking as per the clear definitions at WP:SOCK.  All you're doing is letting someone piss you off - don't. ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 16:37, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Its happening far to often though. The way i read it it is socking to cause disruption. I don't understand why the unblock condition does not mean anything. If he is trolling what do i do. If i revert he will start again if i leave other users will engage and it starts again. Don't know what to do. Ive always been concerned that he has other accounts which is why I've been suspecting the last user. He isn't aggressive towards me but the speak and the irish connection plus never editing that page before today has made my highly suspicious which given the history it think is understandable but ill apologise if not linked. If the ip /porridge engaged constructively we wouldn't have this issue. I understand you wanting to keep thread in one place i just never do that. Edinburgh  Wanderer  16:47, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Then in some ways what you're proving is long term issues, which requires WP:RFC/U ... and keeping conversations together is the norm, not the exception ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 17:07, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe but the other users i converse with do it the way i do which is why i do this and always have but i understand the way you do it the other way. The problem is i don't know how many different accounts he is using so its hard to file that and he's ip hopping so I'm not even sure the SPI will find much. Edinburgh  Wanderer  17:14, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
— cyberpower ( Chat )( WP Edits: 513,230,733 ) 01:42, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

break
EW, I agree that you appear to be too stressed out right now to edit productively. Are you familiar with the Wikibreak Enforcer? It will prevent you from logging in, for any length of time that you choose. A day, a week, whatever. See Wikibreak Enforcer. If this is not an option for some reason, I'll block you if you want, but I prefer not to clog up your block log if this works for you. --Floquenbeam (talk) 02:38, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

I didn't do this did I?
I hope you aren't taking a leave because of me are you?— cyberpower ( Chat )( WP Edits: 513,308,455 ) 13:30, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Reply to-Goodbye for now
Hey Edinburgh, I now it says not to leave you any messages, but I thought it to be crucial that I did. I was deeply shocked by the news that you had retired from the Project & saddened by the events leading up to your decision. I'm sorry I wasn't online when everything escalated for the worst. I was appalled by the level disregard & trivialisation shown by administrators. I'm aware that you may not want to here this but I urge you to reconsider your withdrawal. I can't sum up the magnitude of your contributions to Wikipedia so I won't even try. Yes I think it best you take some time off, but after a few days I pledge with you to reflect on situation. I wish I could put my words more eloquently I'm just aghast over the events of the last 24hrs nevertheless I wish you best. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 14:17, 29 January 2012 (UTC) (Feel free to remove this message after you have read it.)
 * I'd like to echo this sentiment - please don't be disheartened by whatever has happened. Take some time off to re-charge your batteries, but do not leave forever - you are a valuable member of Wikipedia, and your contributions to Scottish football are priceless. GiantSnowman 16:22, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

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User:86.30.213.34
This user is continually adding a player Stephen Walls to Patrick Thistle's squad the player is either an under-17 player maybe lower or a hoax. Partick general having a lot of their under-19 players listed on their website & I checked the u19 match reports no sign. I was wondering if you could shed some light on the situation & how best should I deal with it in the long term. I sent the user a message after the second time he added it asking him to explain himself but he ignored me & added it again for a third time, which I'm going to warn him for. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 22:10, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes its a bit of an odd one, it's the only edit the user makes, possible COI also. If it continues & he surpasses level 4 warning not sure they'll take it too serious at WP:AIV but not much I can do I've tried dialogue. Thankfully its not a big issue as the user is quite infrequent. I have since warned the user for deliberate factual errors, Wasn't aware of that warning before so thanks for the help. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 23:02, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

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ANI rollback
Er, what happened here then? GiantSnowman 16:40, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It could be an idea to set up a second account (without rollback) for use whenever you are on an iPad/mobile - have a read of WP:SOCK. Just make sure it's a similar name and clearly state that both accounts are yours. Cheers, GiantSnowman 16:50, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * "With great technology comes great responsibility" or something ;) GiantSnowman 17:05, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Filip Twardzik
The "not meeting NFOOTBALL by playing in a match between pro and semi-pro/amateur" rule-of-thumb was agreed upon at WP:FOOTBALL, mainly to stop a horde of articles about amateur players whose team had a decent cup run. Regarding Twardzik, he has now played in a match between two pro teams so meets NFOOTBALL. Cheers, GiantSnowman 16:39, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * My view is that in order to meet NFOOTBALL, a player from a team in a FPL must play against another team from a FPL. That makes sense? GiantSnowman 17:56, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, and thanks for the congrats on my RFA! GiantSnowman 17:58, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Could well be worth a discussion at WT:FOOTBALL. However, don't forget that as long as an article meets WP:GNG, then NFOOTBALL is meaningless. GiantSnowman 18:06, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

User:Cammyayrutd
Hey Edinburgh, this new editor created Ayr United Football Academy again which has now been deleted via speedy G4, however he also created Ayr Academicals F.C. & Ayr Thistle F.C. which seem notable having played in the Scottish Cup however the latter was created over a redirect so may have some technical issues although it doesn't seem so. They also created a football song Hampden Anthem, now I'm not sure about on music guidelines but it surely doesn't meet them or are football anthems treated differently? &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 23:51, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Interesting, wouldn't be so sure about the good faith especially seeing as he used the new account to recreate an article just deleted which was created by his old account. He seems to have forgotten the name or password of the third account as there is only 2 contributions. I'll wait till the morning to read through the music guidelines they're quite extensive & see what to do. I'll wikiproject tag the second club article if there is no technical issues. I think I'll report him as a sockpuppet no reason why he can't stick with one account & be productive. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 00:20, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah we certainly could use some helpful newbies. People are entiled to make fresh starts but "should not return to old topic areas, editing patterns, or behavior previously identified as problematic". I'll deal with both issue in the morning & let you now how they go. Yeah I think we should implement the postponed match option, but how do we apply it to season pages with the other match format. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 00:56, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok seems like a good idea, I don't see why not. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 01:05, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
 * These original fixtures should help &#9733;&#9734;  DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 01:14, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I say it was cold alright, I'll make a start on the First Division late tomorrow. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 01:33, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

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Hey EW, just to let you know I'm back. And sorry for the belated reply but yes I am fine thanks for asking. Adam4267 (talk) 18:53, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks glad to be back, I kept wanting to go on Wiki while I was away but had to keep myself off it. Adam4267 (talk) 22:30, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
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The Ship
You added the empty sections I removed. I don't see how you could have a good reason for that, so I reverted you. Please abstain from damaging articles in Wikipedia. Thanks! --91.10.35.216 (talk) 00:32, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
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Ok thanks, I'll leave it while the other 2 accounts are quiescent. As for the music article I PROD'ed that. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 11:49, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

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Return
I'm back on wikipedia properly from today, was feeling better last week however my friend past away so I had to take so more time off. I'm going to update some of my own articles but if there's anything that needs doing let me now. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 17:08, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Ayr United's Transfer Template
I added Dale Keenan & Tam McManus transfers to Ayr's season page but the template doesn't seem to recognise Troon FC can you see any solutions to this problem. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 21:59, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
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 * Yes, hopefully that will be end of it. Thanks. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 23:19, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

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Stephen Elliott
Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be website dedicated to Ireland's youth international statistics hence Shay Given, Robbie Keane & other high profile players have just the senior statistics available. I checked a dozen or so Irish football websites but nothing was available. However Player History have the under-21 statistics available. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 05:59, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know his total under-20 caps, but this could be used as a reference for the passage about the 2003 FIFA World Youth Championship. He also played 9 games scoring 2 goals for under-19 side but that was in European competition not necessarily the total. At least under-21 caps are sorted.&#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 06:26, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

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BLP prod
I have contested your BLP prod of Armenianwingchun. While I certainly agree that it should be deleted, it looks like a page for an organization, not a BLP. Chris the Paleontologist (talk • contribs) 23:07, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Earth
Haha, this article is clearly biased towards Earthlings & I got RickRoll'D. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 14:51, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Partick
Just a heads up Aaron Sekhon didn't play today it was Aaron Sinclair yet another SFL mistake. So Sekhon yet to make his debut. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 17:27, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That's the first time I've seen them mess up the goal scorers, although the BBC omitted them once. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 17:33, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, it wouldn't let me move it again to the correct title. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 19:40, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * No, won't work haven't a clue why, just kept warning me. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 20:15, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Grant Adam
Hi - I've had a look at the deleted page and there's nothing worth saving (it's basically "Grant Adam is a Scottish footballer who plays for Rangers. His brother is Charlie Adam") so you'd be best off starting from scratch in user space. Cheers, GiantSnowman 09:11, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Taking it slowly, mainly deleting PRODS, but have also blocked a sockpuppet a few times as he keeps reappearing, and have also blocked an IP that was harassing vandal. Learning something new every day! GiantSnowman 10:43, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Hello EW as you may know Grant is on loan at Airdrie United but given events at Rangers that may change soon! Centre Stand (talk) 18:37, 3 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry, missed your message. Had a quick look, will have a more in-depth one when home from work tonight. GiantSnowman 13:57, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I think it's a case of WP:BLP1E - what do you think? GiantSnowman 10:28, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Personally I'm unsure - try & find that Scotsman piece. Maybe ask for wider feedback at WT:FOOTY as well. GiantSnowman 12:04, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The other event which was reported in Scotsman, that you can't find, what exactly was it about? &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 13:29, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * TBH, I'm uncertain about the article's notability, it's extremely well referenced but is he notable only for one event quite possible. Let's look at it this way, his early career pretty ordinary not exceptional, loans transfers no more then routine, his time at both Forfar & Airdrie don't make him notable, nor does the fact he played for the Scotland under-21 side, his family ties cannot be taken into consideration when deciding his notability & then there's his controversial personal life & the fact it has effected his under-21 career. I can't give you a definitive answer, certainly if it was a per-existing article I wouldn't vote delete but that doesn't mean I think you should launch the article. Maybe it's about time we take article quality into consideration when it's hard to established if it passes WP:GNG. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 14:41, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry I couldn't give you a more unequivocal answer, he could possible be released & still continue with his loan, as Garry Wood did. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 14:59, 6 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Hello, and thanks for asking. I tend to "not notable yet". It's arguable that his arrest for a relatively minor offence for which he hasn't yet been convicted shouldn't be mentioned at all, per WP:BLPCRIME, though the sectarian context to his being a Rangers player at the time and Charlie Adam's brother might remove the "relatively unknown" proviso. With the arrest, it's BLP1E with a touch of WP:NOTINHERITED. Without it, he's a non-notable footballer. Just my opinion, though. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:40, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

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Season pages
It's grand, I've done hardly any since returning. Going to do all the postponed fixtures tomorrow hopefully. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 21:12, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you think matches which were rescheduled due to cup matches, should also go down as postponed. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 13:21, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I was thinking about it since I sent you the message & for the opposing team who had fixture cancelled they mayn't have had a cup fixture & it's definately postponed from their point of view. So best to say it was postponed so not as to over complicate things. &#9733;&#9734;  DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 14:50, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

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Websites
Thanks for telling me, I think they're the sixth club to redesign or change there website this season. The others being Peterhead,Inverness,Berwick,Rangers & Dundee United with only the latter not creating not dead links. Really getting tedious now. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 02:18, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * There's absolutely no Google hits for Arlan Kadina Mptata, I checked transfermarkt as they always have lesser known players but nothing, the SFL will have something soon but will it mention his previous club who knows. His profile on Dumbarton's website says details to come, so hopefully when that's done it will solve the problem, Dargo's hasn't been updated yet either. As for Bullock, it looks like he retired in the summer, don't know why it said he was still a player on Livis website up to two weeks ago although he was a coach. He must have left his coaching post recently probable beacause of this but can't find anything official. &#9733;&#9734;  DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 00:29, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll send Livingston an email tomorrow asking them to clarify Bullock's situation on their website & give out to them for not informing fans see what happens. Hamilton are probable redesigning their website, hopefully they don't create dead links. That's what I'll being doing the next few days replacing the pre-existing dead links. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 01:02, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It's gone again. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 18:57, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Glad the Mptata thing is solved, Hamilton's website isn't working with Google chrome. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 19:46, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The website is currently unavailable. Please try again later, Thank You in multiple languages. With a Strato heading. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 19:53, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

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James Martin
You beat me to creating the article! BBC source for DOB added. GiantSnowman 10:52, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, and if you have a source for last night's Accies match stats, it'd be appreciated - need to update List of Hamilton Academical F.C. players, and BBC has nothing for some reason. GiantSnowman 11:05, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
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Football scores
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That's good news get some of them out of the way now & Coult is a former Hearts players. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 04:55, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

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Cowdenbeath, Livingston, Cierzniak, Combe
I started a draft for next seasons transfers see here & Radosław Cierzniak has joined Dundee United on a pre-contract. When he signed the contract he had just left Alki Larnaca & he's now at Cracovia atlthough his wiki article says Zagłębie Lubin. Should I put Cravovia or Alki Larnaca, personally I think it should be Cravovia as they're going to be last club he plays for before joining United. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 09:35, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Combe has been busy, I'll do both when returning. Queens Park had their fixture cancelled last week to keep the pitch in prime condition for the Cup final. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 17:21, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think Combe will require a footnote, he retired leaving Kilmarnock in January 2011 not the summer, then joined Alloa as a coach not a player coach as his article suggests & then had to two trials with Hamilton & Clyde. So would simply be Alan Combe→Unattached→Greenock Morton. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 16:38, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * No, I sent another one today I'll tell you tomorrow if I get a reply. So will I it'll help me with the player list so many inconsistencies in the stats websites. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 18:32, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * No reply, did you send an email to the generic email address or did you send it specifically to the web team when got a reply. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 17:05, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, my page was always going to be vandalised for the first time at some stage but I would of rather it not been while I'm trying to watch the Chelsea v Man City game. I sent it to the webteam & nothing. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 20:18, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah no problem. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 00:43, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll do one or two I'll let you know which ones later. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 17:39, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm going to do Stewart & Wilson if you haven't started them already? &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 08:40, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, thats Lee Wilson (Scottish footballer) done will do Stewart tomorrow going to watch CL. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 18:42, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

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Hi there, just wanted to let you know that I've removed the BLPProds from Nguyễn Xuân Thành and Chu Ngọc Anh as both had one source, and amazingly enough, are probably completely notable per WP:NFOOTY (both have played in an international game). Cheers,  Nolelover   Talk · Contribs  02:14, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

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Go ahead, you won't find Kilmarnock's website very helpful though. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 18:38, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * No I don't think there's anything I can add, could you deal with this users edits he has been PRODing inappropriate articles & advise him appropriately as I'm about to go offline. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 23:48, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

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I know your aware that Peterhead redesigned their website creating dead links. But the website designers made an arse of their new website take the link of the latest story from the new website for ex. http://www.peterheadfc.com/news/302-queens-park-0-peterhead-1 and it still redirects to the welcome page. So basically it's unlink-able so it should be avoided, geniuses. The SFA have also redesigned their website creating dead links & I don't think they've replaced their player archive section I think it's gone not sure. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 18:20, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, well thats good the SFA still have the player archive. I'll have to replace the links though, another thing on a long list. Don't know what you meant about Peterhead. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 18:44, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Im just glad it is still there the thought of that disappearing wasn't good. What i meant was if you click on a link to the Cowdenbeath website it takes you to there splash page, however the next time in the same session you click the link it no longer goes to the splash page but the page you actually wanted. Where as peterheads is just plain useless. Edinburgh   Wanderer  18:52, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello Jacob :P, it seems the SFA are still working on it because earlier when I clicked on a link to the player's profile it said couldn't be found but know it's redirecting to the new player search. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 19:42, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

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That was mad, five users & an IP blocked. Have you decided whether your doing the season pages next week I really hope so. I've populated the Dunfermline category you created hope you don't mind. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 22:30, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * That's the Forfar problem solved. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 15:42, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I emailed them on matter to ensure they included a teamsheet as their last few reports only included the goalscorers, I'm glad they were more accommodating then Livingston. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 15:58, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm still going to do Stewart got sidetracked as usual probable won't be today maybe tomorrow. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 18:59, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks a lot for that great info, I'll add it to the list of seasons page in time. I've no idea why but I've got I real disinterest on certain topics lately. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 21:53, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
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 * Yeh I agree with you EW. As I said at GS's talk page. I'll add a few more sources tomorrow and then move the article to the mainspace after he unsalts it. Good result for you at the weekend by the way ;) Adam4267 (talk) 23:05, 18 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I know I'm surprised about how well Beattie's done. This is probably the best period of his career. Do you think Hearts will win the cup? I agree about Lennon he needs to stop treating referees like that, it is out of order. Adam4267 (talk) 00:43, 19 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I'd be surprised if Hibs beat Hearts but you never know. Although considering Europe next season I'd rather see Hearts get the place, hopefully they'll finish sixth so Hibs don't get into Europe above Dundee United or St. Johnstone. If Hearts can keep Skacel, Beattie and most of their other good players then they could get into the Europa League group stage with a favourable draw, same with Motherwell, as they enter at the final, play-off round (assuming Motherwell get knocked of the Champions League, which they will). With a lot of luck maybe even St. Johnstone or Dundee United could get into the group stage as well. And Celtic should get into the Champions League group stage. So it will hopefully be quite a good year for Scottish clubs next season. Adam4267 (talk) 14:52, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

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Ross County
The user did actually add a link proving his claims but for some reason he added it to external links. I don't now if the passage should be included anyway mayn't be relevant. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 11:40, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah that's my thoughts as well, thats why I never restored as it has been reverted a number of times. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 13:38, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

General
I'm sorry I'll have to get back to you, I have a rather large headache due to the Indonesian Super League. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 22:07, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I would place 1st (Champions) rather then 1st (promoted) on the season pages. I don't know any league which is not the top league where the team that comes first isn't promoted. No need to place (on going) as it's not subject to change. Regarding Mark McGuigan basically what your saying it's confusing about who he played for & when. Thanks for letting me know your still working on it & sorry for giving you the idea to create it. Let me know if there's something I can help with on the matter. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 23:04, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I've done the first division & I'm working my way through the Second but Mr. Jolley has come along & just added the results to some of the third division ones could you fix them while I finish the second division. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 13:48, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, seriously what is the point in just adding the results, he didn't even update the league position totally misleading readers. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 17:09, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * That won't be a problem thats what we do normallly anyway, don't want to leave them till Monday with Jolley making a mess of them. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 10:26, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't now how much I'll get done have a thread open at ANI. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 18:13, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, if I was vandalising pages then I'd be indef blocked but IP's get away with it absolute disgrace. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 22:03, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

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Sure I'll try and remember to add new playerd to that page in the future. I'll have a look at his talk page as well. Adam4267 (talk) 19:32, 23 April 2012 (UTC)


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 * Hope this clears up the situation. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 18:40, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * They must like you, should of let you inquiry about Bullock as I got nothing, anyway off to watch the CL. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 18:49, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
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My edit was reverted on this page by you under reasons it was not constructive, yet the information was totally correct. Why was it reverted? Pawbrig (talk) 17:51, 29 April 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pawbrig (talk • contribs) 17:48, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

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Hey :). A quick update on how things are going with the New Page Triage/New Pages Feed project. As the enwiki page notes, the project is divided into two chunks: the "list view" (essentially an updated version of Special:NewPages) and the "article view", a view you'll be presented with when you open up individual articles that contains a toolbar with lots of options to interact with the page - patrolling it, adding maintenance tags, nominating it for deletion, so on.

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IP
Just to let you know I won't be doing any season pages this weekend sorry EW. I'm sick of being threatened & then being falsely accused of doing it myself. No action has been taken against this IP who is continuing to vandalise despite the fact he is suppose to be blocked its a joke why are IP's projected. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 18:18, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm fine, thanks for asking, just not very motivated to contribute considering the situation. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 09:22, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, I spotted this. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 09:37, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm grand, back to normal editing. The IP hasn't made any edits (as far as I know) in the last few days since insinuating I was a racist. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 19:37, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

BBC
What email address do you use for contacting BBC regarding mistakes they made in match reports. Their contact page is a pain can't find anything it's just full of internal links to help pages. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 14:38, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Well it's a good way to limit complaints. Thanks for finding it. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 16:47, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Grand they made that correction pretty quickly. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 17:43, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

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Season Pages
In the upcoming week/s as you know we're going to have a number of play-offs with eight different clubs involved. The problem is the stats template only allows for four columns. I don't think we should include them in league match stats as that's not done with player career statistic tables & could cause confusion. Seems like are only option would be to include the Challenge Cup stats & Play-off stats together in an Other column with a footnote. Your thoughts. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 17:43, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd include them in 'Other' - it's what I do on player career tables, and that's how Soccerbase does it as well. GiantSnowman 17:45, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes indeed, might actually get something else done. Well if that's what you did with previous seasons then that works, most of the player articles I created were in a similar style. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 18:05, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Going to work through a number of them who have finished changing wording to past tense, average attendances & minor clean ups etc. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 18:15, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Is it just me or have Dundee still not appointed a new Chairman seems a bit odd. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 20:05, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * When you added the play-offs to Ayr's page it caused an error, I looked at the diff & can't find the solution, might be best to remove & re-add. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 23:59, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Never-mind fixed it no need for div style with collapsible format. Good job with the upcoming season season articles. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 00:31, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey EW, just a note could you remember to create a redirect page with an ordinary dash when you create season articles. Otherwise people cannot find it when they search for them. Thanks Adam4267 (talk) 13:49, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree it seems like a title policy failing. Personally I don't see why we can't just use ordinary dashes in the titles. However, if a redirect page isn't created then people can't search for them. I've done Hearts and Ross County already if that helps. Still the new season's a few months away so it's not really urgent at the moment. Adam4267 (talk) 14:26, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I think you're doing a great job in getting this all organised. You and Duck definitely keep Scottish football in order, well done to both of you. Just to let you know I'm going on a wikibreak from tomorrow and I'll probably be back on 26 May. If you don't mind can you keep an eye on Georgios Samaras because its a current GA nom. If someone starts the review before I'm back can you please tell them to put it on hold until I get back. Cheers. Adam4267 (talk) 15:06, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Adam4267 (talk) 15:26, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Wiki
What's going on earlier when I logged in some of my watchlist pages were highlighted in bold now that's gone & there's green stars what do they stand for & why were they implemented. How's the new season pages going anything you want to help you with. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 21:25, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I think it's good idea if there's something to indicate that you haven't viewed the difference but I think it's inappropriate that a star is used just causes confusion. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 22:11, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * On an unrelated topic a non-taskforce member added an article to the new article list, not a problem with that, in fact Adam instructed him to do so. But I haven't Project tagged the article yet, as at first I thought It was repetition of another article but that doesn't seem the cause, my only concern is it only goes back to 2007–08 other then that it's a perfectly good article. Here &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 23:07, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll just tag it, but I think it should be expanded if sources could be found. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 16:22, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

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Sorry forgot, that would be best that's what I did here & here give me a headsup if any found a new club before the end of the season so I can add to the transfer list. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 06:38, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Found this at Berwick Advertiser seems to be carbon copy. As for Montrose the MontroseReview had nothing I suggest add, wait, replace with SFL link. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 18:18, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh since March I starting checking all PRODs, BLPPRODS, AFDs, Templates & Categories & adding all the football related ones at WP:FOOTY that hadn't already been listed so just fell into the delsort thing wish I hadn't. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 18:28, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

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Well I can't remember which admin said it, but it was stated in no uncertain terms that if he was to return & not stick to his account that his account & IPs would be blocked regardless of how constructive or detrimental the edits were. But yet again it wasn't stated on his page, needle in a haystack. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 18:44, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
 * In fairness to Snowy & Chris they didn't participate in the last ANI discussion, so probable were't aware of the last statement by User:Atama, it would have been best to contact Atama & send him the link to the discussion here & point out he had been further disruptive, but he's rather inactive maybe best to say it to Snowy. Rather agree with your sentiments about editor retention. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 19:44, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
 * That would probable be best. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 19:59, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
 * - agree with the suggestion to contact the previous Admin, but also a word of warning - long-term IP blocks rarely happen. Still, better than nothing and sends out the right message. GiantSnowman 20:20, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

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I was actually doing it now, well the first six are gone, Fernandez & Clarke too. Now Ruitkiewicz, Bell & Phinn are released & so is Potter but all may be resigned if so we can just remove them and leave an explanation as we did here with Hogg. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 17:04, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Done, their squad is looking quiet threadbare at this stage. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 17:27, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure the sortname format is only intended for tables which can be sorted at the top like the transfer list, I think they should be avoided in wikitables although it doesn't make much difference, my fault initial last season as I copied straight across but shouldn't be continued. Well done on staying out of that unproductive discussion, well you know what I mean. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 18:05, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I can do it tomorrow if that's any help. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 20:57, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I didn't notice Airdrie. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 19:05, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Haha not an excuse you can you use that often. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 19:17, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for heads up on the the transfers, having broadband issues hence I didn't get through the summaries & tables. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 21:12, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Where compensation is paid due to the players age what do you think is the best to put in fee column. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 19:47, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * TBH I think its best to just to say undisclosed because generally compensation is never officially revealed merely speculated at unless it goes to tribunal like Sturridge where it's just best to say Tribunal. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 20:36, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah it takes me to the main template rather then the season one as well. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 20:54, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I fixed it. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 21:03, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Came for across the Kane thing when looking at something for Ryan Wallace. Yeah Indeed, as you stated at WP:Footy it's no different from last season, hadn't noticed that discussion has continued till you sent me the message. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 23:55, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Having read the passage only Caolan McAleer and Scott Robertson futures are in doubt but as of now they are free agents although they maybe offered a contract in the future I think WP:CBALL applies here. I'm surprised about McAleer thought they were quite keen on him. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 17:27, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Threat it the same as Dunfermline list them all. Still having broadband problems rather annoying at this stage. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 17:47, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

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Jonny Hayes
Any idea what's the story with Jonny Hayes move to Aberdeen seems to be on/off turning into a bit of a transfer saga. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 21:10, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, so its wait & see for the moment can't see him going somewhere else though. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 23:37, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The Adrian Mrowiec information seems to have come from their fan site here but nothing official yet I don't think. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 23:47, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I searched high & low for the Wallace reference no luck, checked Fife Today, Central Fife Times, Fife Free Press along with many many others. Really surprised no one covered the story of his move to East Fife (at least not online) given the circumstances which surround his exit from Airdrie. Sorry &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 21:34, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Might be able to use his Dunfermline profile when they create it, depends on how detailed it is. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 21:59, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Stadiums
Thanks for the heads up hadn't heard any of the stadium difficulties would just have presumed they were playing at home. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 23:39, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Spellchecker
Ok, Im not goign to go on about the content dispute that has no place here, but please do not have a go at me for not using a spellchecker i am dsylexic and it quite severe even with a spellchecker i do not know if it correct the word selecting or not also sometimes my spelling is that attrious the spellchecker has no clue. Please explain how i am not following talk page guidelines as you are the only person ever to acuse me of that. Andrewcrawford ( talk  -  contrib ) 20:51, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


 * if you read what i put on the admin page you would have seen i agreed for main space ill put it on talk and someone can fix it before it goes live. I do indent i use : to put the indent in occasional i forget or dnt use the write amount, as for the white space it is because i cant write well it is easier tohave a space below the text above so i can read it, no one is obliged to fix it and no one have to respond to what i say, yes i am aware of wikipedia talk page guidelines and that why i am surprised you say i do not follow them as no one else has ever said that to me, i tend only to put edit summaries into main space edits, and occasional talk page edits, but it seems you have a problem with me being a editor and how i edit, if you feel i am not doign things right please report me :) Andrewcrawford ( talk  -  contrib ) 21:07, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Friendlies
I would say include them to be consistent with last season. I wouldn't necessarily agree a report would be less likely, in some cases it would be more likely as fans want to now what happened. Take Ross County for ex. they had 5 friendlies last season none of which were behind closed doors but failed to report on any of them. In general match reports for pre-season fixtures are an issue drove me mad last year but being behind closed doors isn't a reason for exclusion. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 23:22, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Hold on just reread do you mean where the location isn't disclosed the venue should be closed doors? I'll get back to you about the transfer section only read it now. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 23:29, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah that sounds like the best solution but I think we'll be able to find the venue somehow. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 23:45, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok that makes it clearer yeah would say go with closed door wikilink & then replace with stadium if possible. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 23:53, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Rangers
Thats ok I understand what you mean, for clarity. However, there is still a bit too much in the lead as it is supposed to be an overview of what has happened rather than the whole thing. Adam4267 (talk) 23:57, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * its fine about you snapping there was a lot of emotion yesterday not just for rangers fans but other fans. i didn't really take offence just trying to clarify it isn't easy for me and it pretty hard to spell check for me i can do it but because i have found that most people dnt read words they read around it there is little point to it as it causes me stress trying to do it, i only do it when i feel it really needed but i made a mistake and never done it on the main article space. Anyway i thought yesterday it needed protected as it heading for massive content war and the fact no one can agree even a admin means the page is in danger of 3RR and i rather not see editors getting punished because of touched article, if you support it say on the page protection page, it aint just me and you that disagree about things i disagree with other that agree with me on some things but i also agree with you on some things so until a cones us is reach i think the page is best full protected and then use edit protected to change anything a cones us is agreed on Andrewcrawford ( talk  -  contrib ) 10:48, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I know that new page hasn't helped. We'll just need to try and keep trying to get what's right into the article. Adam4267 (talk) 16:45, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I think you assuming you know what he thinks isn't helpful. I doubt he hates you. However, I know he can be very sharp, particularly with you. However, I think you can get overly upset with some things which doesn't help. You can't control what he does, only what you do. The best thing I think you should do is just focus on the content and ignore anything annoying he says. Adam4267 (talk) 16:59, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Is that really a good use of your time? I don't think you'll get anywhere with it either. Your comment at WP:Football was completely the wrong way to approach it in my opinion as well. Adam4267 (talk) 17:08, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * If you feel that you need to do this then go ahead, maybe you will get somewhere but I think for the effort it probabaly won't be worth it. I do think if we actually focussed on the discussion we could get somwhere regarding the Rangers page, but no-one else seems to want to do that. Adam4267 (talk) 17:18, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

How about this, you give me a bit of time to talk to everyone involved. (For clarity I was referring to Superbhoy as the POV editor) Don't make any comments about Chris for a short time. Whatever you may think about him, and I agree he's not the best at discussing things with other users, he's still a valuable admin to the project and good at many other things. I think we can resolve this in a better manner. As I said go ahead with anything if you want but I think we can come out with a better solution and I wouldn't like to see you do that. Adam4267 (talk) 17:29, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Firstly I think when Chris said use admin tools he meant protecting the page. As we've seen before when people are rushed they say things mistakenly. I meant the situation between the two of you rather than just you. Look you either have to let me try and work things out or its not going to work. I've said a several times I think both of you are in the wrong, neither more than eachother. Adam4267 (talk) 17:44, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Look you have to decide how you want this resolved. Its up to you. If you want an RFC or whatever do that. If you would like me to try and help the two of you resolve the situation then I will try my best. But you have to decide. Adam4267 (talk) 18:08, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey EW, just a note with the Chris situation. He has said he will try in future not to make personal comments, so hopefully that will be succesful. I think you two should at least have a shot of trying to work together constructively. I really hope that it will be succesful. I agree that if it doesn't work then you two should just try not to interact. However, I think you should at least give it a shot. Also thanks for doing the Celtic kits. And with the Scottish Cup final, I'll do a bit more with the prose in pre and post match as well as tidying up the match report a bit more. Adam4267 (talk) 23:19, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeh I think I'll stay out of it too. All that hassle for trying to keep the article up to date. At the moment it looks as if it hasn't been updated since last week. Anyway I couldn't care less cos its only Rangers. Adam4267 (talk) 14:35, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Adrian Mrowiec
Leipzig confirmed the transfer yesterday see here I added the relevant information to Hearts season page. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 14:29, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

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Michael Deland
Apparently after leaving Berwick Rangers Deland joined Nitton. My question is who the hell are Nitton any ideas. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 23:04, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * No couldn't be them, must be Scottish see here be can't proof the club exists. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 23:18, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I think I'll just have to email them to see if it's a mistake or not, & if not what is the clubs full name could just be F.C., Athletic, United, Thistle or Juniors. Thanks for having a look though. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 08:28, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * They got back to me & said it was a common name (not so common) for Newtongrange Star. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 10:08, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

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Replaced the problematic Peterhead references with three individual ones from ClubCall & replaced the main mass release ref with STV reference. ClubCall actually quite good for Scottish transfers never used it before. Quick question, I removed David Donald (footballer) from released players on Peterhead's season page as no indication he was released was this a mistake or was he let go after the others? &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 17:46, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * My bad, thought the second half of the stv reference was the same which wasn't the case. It had the bit about being offered a contract but didn't have the part of about him rejecting it. So sourced a fifth reference & will restore now. ClubCall could be the long term solution but it's a few days slow sometimes like the SFL. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 19:22, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar

 * I don't think I'll be joining you in disambig. ever time I try to install a new tool it goes wrong delsort tool wouldn't work & the creator just ignored me (highly irresponsible) & Huggle wouldn't work today just kept saying incorrect password for no reason. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 19:35, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

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I see you gained a lot of enemies in the past few days. I hope I'm not one of them. As an editor that's on my Wikifriends list, may I suggest you take a break from Wikipedia and try to calm down. Perhaps you will see things from a different perspective, I know I would if I were angry.— cyberpower Chat<sub style="margin-left:-3.7ex"> Offline  13:45, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
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What the hell
Hey EW, well I was offline the enter time when the excrement made physical contact with a hydro-electric powered oscillating air current distribution device so I'm trying to pieces things. First of all are you ok after everything & are you editing as per normal. I'm not going to drag the whole thing up again but have to say I was shocked at the way you spoke to Snowy but seems you've clear things up via email. I see you removed your name from the taskforce page are you going to re add yourself or have you given up on the taskforce. Also the taskforce members userbox was deleted is this a result of deleting your userpage or because you requested it? Hope your well. Regards &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 05:13, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Edin, you should defineitely Have the admins restore your userspace. Your attempt to CLEANSTART by renaming your account isn't go to work because I am one of many people who will see that change in my watchlist defeating the purpose of a CLEANSTART.— cyberpower  Chat<sub style="margin-left:-3.7ex"> Offline  06:04, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I know you and others will see that but i still wanted the cleanstart, i very well could of abandoned this account and followed the clean start policy however i would rather not do that, i don't feel that i can or want to continue under this name. I was transparent with the request and fully stated that i wanted a clean start without the new account, that was done by the Bureaucrat and then undone as Chris decided to get involved. As for my userspace I'm not going to get that restored unless the account is renamed that may well be unlikely now but thats my feelings on it. Even if that happens I'm not going to edit to the same level in the same fields at least for a wee whilst although i wouldn't count on that lasting. As for the Scotland task force the answer to that is i want absolutely nothing to do with WP:Footy, unfortunately because of that i don't see how i can be part of the task force even with the amount of work i put into starting that, if there was then i would. As for the user box if you want duck i will ask snowy to restore that, don't know if i want it in mine so i could maybe ask him to move it to yours. And yes me and Snowy are fine, i flipped with him had totally enough especially after the wholly unfounded accusations by Sports and Politics without one ounce of truth for over 24 hours. Snowy didn't deserve it and he knows I'm sorry for that. E  W  20:59, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Ive asked Snowy to recreate the user box in mine for now. E  W  21:17, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * user box restored - as for the name change, I'll continue to fight your corner. GiantSnowman 07:53, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * also seeing as the userbox relates to a taskforce, why not move into mainspace? GiantSnowman 07:55, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Feel free to do that. E  W  11:20, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

User:IronGargoyle
Look at my edit again, then look at your edit. I reverted the vandalism, you restored it and gave me a warning. Now please remove the warning with a summary that it was issued in error. 50.131.220.134 (talk) 00:45, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Please remove the warning, with an edit summary that states it was a mistake. 50.131.220.134 (talk) 00:48, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

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Hey all!

So, big news this week - on Tuesday, we ramped up to 5 percent of articles :). There's been a lot more feedback (pardon the pun) as I'm sure you've noticed, and to try and help we've scheduled a large number of office hours sessions, including one this evening at 22:00 UTC in the channel, and another at  01:00 UTC for the aussies amongst us :). I hope to see some of you there - if any of you can't make it but have any questions, I'm always happy to help.

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User page
Done - any news on the namechange? I've heard nothing back from the 'crat involved... GiantSnowman 13:10, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Nice & snazzy! GiantSnowman 14:05, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * No probs, let me know if you need anything else. GiantSnowman 14:11, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * All the barnstars are gone :( Adam4267 (talk) 20:05, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeh its nice, definitely more simple than before but it looks good. Adam4267 (talk) 20:44, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Its ok, it will probably me my last GA for a while because I don't think I'm going to have as much time for WIki in the future :( Jmorrison did a lot of the work anyway. I definitely didn't do as much as him. Adam4267 (talk) 22:01, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I honestly don't know whether I'll be using it a lot less or just not at all but I'll still try to come on every once in a while to say hi and revert the swathes of vandalism that will bulid-up on Celtic pages. Adam4267 (talk) 22:27, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

If you have direct links that would make my life 1000% easier; failing that I'm sure I'll be able to find them somehow. GiantSnowman 13:54, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I've restored those three and have asked the deleting admin for the links to the others, should be in his log. GiantSnowman 14:04, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Whey, glad to hear it! GiantSnowman 07:59, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Crap
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Attempting to gain a consensus
Just to make you aware User:Andrewcrawford has started a vote on Rangers talk page Talk:Rangers_F.C. as an attempt to achieve consensus. BadSynergy (talk) 15:02, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry I was letting people who have commented on Rangers issue aware and then I read the no canvassing thing and didn't want people to think thats what I was doing. BadSynergy (talk) 15:38, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

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Airdrie F.C.
Hello BS - (I just hope that isn't an abbreviation for something else!). Away and 2nd away (3rd) kit announced - new home kit not unveiled as yet. Name changed on official site within the last 24 hours - no surprise as the club have been gradually moving towards it (many fans want the old Airdrieonians name back). Can you help by adding the revised/new club crest to the Wikipedia page? Tried it but it just seems to bring the whole banner across instead of just the club badge. Also - I am of the opinion to change the article title to Airdrie F.C. now, but unsure how to do this? Thanks. Centre Stand (talk) 15:05, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

AFT5 Additional articles
Blethering Scot, can you please stop adding so many articles to those categories? I'm trying to encourage people to add individual articles, but not mass-add them; we've been told that with the code as it is at the moment, we cannot safely go over 10 percent. We were at 10 percent before you made your additions :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 09:07, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
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Thanks
For fixing Kevin Kyle page I'm still new to writing articles and adding references. BadSynergy (talk) 19:30, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Celtic
I'd say no because although that is the logo for this season it won't be for next season. Also I think the current one is the actual Celtic crest whereas the badges on strips and other things can change. For example the badge on the home strip last year was green with a black outline. Adam4267 (talk) 18:21, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Not sure TBH, there was also a commerative one in 06-07. Honestly ATM can't think of what's best to do but I'll give it some thought. A gallery is definitely a good idea. If you look at the badge its mainly green with black trim but the celtic crest is white with green trim. Its definitely a new commeratitive crest for this season and I'd put it in a gallery but I'm not sure about the main infobox. Adam4267 (talk) 18:54, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

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Reference
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I've added dates to the Scottish Football League season Templates, feel free to change the date/time format if you like. I don't know why I didn't add them in the first place, thanks for alerting me. --Kafuffle (talk) 08:35, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Rangers Sandbox
can you help me and fishiehelper try create a more neutral sandbox version of how the lvie version hsould look, we are agreeing on it saying the club is liquidated but that the club lives on from what the sources say-- Andrewcrawford ( talk  -  contrib ) 15:09, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Talk:Rangers F.C./sandbox dnt worry if you cant do it, just we are trying to make a single article that everyone can accept Andrewcrawford ( talk  -  contrib ) 08:38, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * green would be seen as primary source and have conflict of itnerest, teh sfa some see them as conflict of itnerest if it was that simple we coudl jsut write the sandbox as no menation to new club but since we are trying to make it to support both side we need to say new club in it, i wish it was simple, but fire away on the sandbox if oyu havea idea on how to improve it Andrewcrawford ( talk  -  contrib ) 11:46, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * fair point, although i aint to sure which reference you meaning as a lot of the reference si havent done i have tried to guide a way to get article everyoen can agree on, but yeah it needs mroe refnerece jsut trying to get the content sorted firs t, any help you cn give will be appericated dnt feel you need to rush do in few weeks or whenever if that suits you better-- Andrewcrawford ( talk  -  contrib ) 12:16, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * i think tha tmight ahve bene added recently but ill have a look at it and try to change it, i think your right we can use hte primary surces as logn as it backs up with 3rd party ones, the whole part where the disptue is aorund i think we need about 5-10 sources for each sides to prove it so ther eno disputing it, im goign to have my work cut out for me trying to get it all to cite :S so after this we can get the page promtoed to GA-- Andrewcrawford ( talk  -  contrib ) 12:25, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

ok gotcha, the pag ei amde for the request for comment where i colelcted sources will come in handy thanks for the advice :)-- Andrewcrawford ( talk  -  contrib ) 12:36, 31 July 2012 (UTC)


 * thanks for those, any more let me know, hopefully in formal mediaiton it will be clear to the medatior a decision on this is reuired the number of affected articles is abpove 100 Andrewcrawford ( talk  -  contrib ) 22:34, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

AFT5 newsletter
Hey again all :). So, some big news, some small news, some good news, some bad news!

On the "big news" front; we've now deployed AFT5 on to 10 percent of articles, This is pretty awesome :). On the "bad news", however, it looks like we're having to stop at 10 percent until around September - there are scaling issues that make it dangerous to deploy wider. Happily, our awesome features engineering team is looking into them as we speak, and I'm optimistic that the issues will be resolved.

For both "small" and "good" news; we've got another office hours session. This one is tomorrow, at 22:00 UTC in - I appreciate it's a bit late for Europeans, but I wanted to juggle it so US east coasters could attend if they wanted :). Hope to see you all there!

Page Triage newsletter
Hey all. Some quick but important updates on what we've been up to and what's coming up next :).

The curation toolbar, our Wikimedia-supported twinkle replacement. We're going to be deploying it, along with a pile of bugfixes, to wikipedia on 9 August. After a few days to check it doesn't make anything explode or die, we'll be sticking up a big notice and sending out an additional newsletter inviting people to test it out and give us feedback :). This will be followed by two office hours sessions - one on Tuesday the 14th of August at 19:00 UTC for all us Europeans, and one on Wednesday the 15th at 23:00 UTC for the East Coasters out there :). As always, these will be held in #wikimedia-office; drop me a note if you want to know how to easily get on IRC, or if you aren't able to attend but would like the logs.

I hope to see a lot of you there; it's going to be a big day for everyone involved, I think :). I'll have more notes after the deployment! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 20:02, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Cookies!
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David Armstrong (Northern Irish footballer)
Yep, it's the ex-Hearts lad - article is not too bad. Want me to restore it? GiantSnowman 10:10, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. I'm considering moving it to David Armstrong (footballer born 1987) as per current standard disambiguation, but there's talk at WP:FOOTY of changing it, and I'll wait for consensus (or lack of it) to ermerge. GiantSnowman 16:16, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Good work - yeah the IFA website is utter tosh, which is a shame. GiantSnowman 20:29, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Re: Caolan Lavery
Thanks for letting me know what you're doing. I'll leave the matter in your capable hands. Cheers. Sir Sputnik (talk) 23:18, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It's now back in userspace? I'm confused. GiantSnowman 08:27, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Best I can tell here's what happened:


 * 1)  moved it into the article namespace
 * 2) I tagged it for speedy deletion, not realising it had been userfied.
 * 3) Scot attempted to move it back into the user namespace and screwed it up.
 * 4)  fixed it.
 * 5)  moved it back into the article namespace.
 * 6) I tried to move it back into the user namespace, making the same mistake Scot did.
 * 7)  fixed everything.


 * Long and short of it, can both of you keep an eye on this article for a while? I wouldn't be surprised if it gets moved back into the article namespace. Cheers. Sir Sputnik (talk) 10:17, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The article is indeed back at User:Adam4267/Caolan Lavery. GiantSnowman 10:21, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks everyone for dealing with that. Adam4267 (talk) 13:55, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

splofficial channel on youtube
Have you seen the new splofficial channel on youtube. (I have no idea why they didn't name it SPLofficial). I don't know if it can help us but it's still quite good nonetheless. Callum Paterson looked pretty good for Hearts btw. Maybe McGlynn will do ok after all. Adam4267 (talk) 11:07, 7 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I was actually really surprised necause I thought Hearts would be poor this season. And I fancied St. Johnstone to beat them. But I suppose with all the attacking midfielders Hearts have only having one striker isn't the end of the world as you'll only ever really be playing one up front. I'm sure some of the young players will come in and do a decent job as well but I do think Sutton's a good striker so it's for you good to have him back. Aberdeen actually brought a massive support down to Parkhead, there must have been about 2000 of them there. Definitely the most away fans I've ever seen at a Celtic match. I think Aberdeen, Hearts and Dundee United fans all must fancy themselves to do well this season. I think it's definitely the most exciting season in a while. Adam4267 (talk) 08:43, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Consensus
Truthfully i have no idea, i was away for the weekend and when i came back full protection had expired and bot artcles had been changed to reflect as one i have made otehr changes to go withhow the articles seem to have consensus but i have made it clear i aint saying it righ tor wrong as i dnt want to be accused of being baised. i aint 100% sure a consensus has been achived mroe that now it unprotected that users have just pushed there pov and the new club camp dnt seem to be reverting-- Andrewcrawford ( talk  -  contrib ) 07:48, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

SFL1
Yeah, SFL1 is still considered fully-pro, and therefore playing in it would meet NFOOTBALL. What's the AfD? GiantSnowman 10:37, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Well seeing as the nom can't even sign his name, I have concerns over his competence/knowledge of notability guidelines. Also if you have any player articles you want to start but don't have the time/inclination, let me know, more than happy to start a stub. GiantSnowman 10:59, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

New Pages newsletter
Hey all :)

A couple of new things.

First, you'll note that all the project titles have now changed to the Page Curation prefix, rather than having the New Pages Feed prefix. This is because the overarching project name has changed to Page Curation; the feed is still known as New Pages Feed, and the Curation Toolbar is still the Curation Toolbar. Hopefully this will be the last namechange ;p.

On the subject of the Curation Toolbar (nice segue, Oliver!) - it's now deployed on Wikipedia. Just open up any article in the New Pages Feed and it should appear on the right. It's still a beta version - bugs are expected - and we've got a lot more work to do. But if you see something going wrong, or a feature missing, drop me a note or post on the project talkpage and I'll be happy to help :). We'll be holding two office hours sessions to discuss the tool and improvements to it; the first is at 19:00 UTC on 14 August, and the second at 23:00 on the 15th. Both will be in #wikimedia-office as always. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 15:40, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Concerns
If you have concerns about an editor then attemot to discuss the problems with them; if they don't engage with you or don't stop their behavour then you could always ask for autopatrolled to be removed, try at Requests for permissions/Autopatrolled. GiantSnowman 08:59, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
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honours and records
hiya,

yeah can you give me the boos, if you can me this details i really appericate it,

book title, author or authors, publisher, year publication or acutally date of publiation, page, isbn, quote so if it say "rangers have won the scottish premier league on 1900-1901,bla,bla,bla,2010-2011" if you can let me know what ti says but not include the years.

for honours i would need to know accurately what it says ie attendance record accurately what it says the record is.

you might have noticed the work i was doing yesterday converting to cite Andrewcrawford ( talk  -  contrib ) 08:25, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * cheers ill start updating it-- Andrewcrawford ( talk  -  contrib ) 13:08, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * im not 100% sure which ones should have had teh references can you remove th references from ones that should or remove it to only 1 reference if only one does, the only one i knew not to add was ronald de boer i supet it only tracking scottish playr records Andrewcrawford ( talk  -  contrib ) 13:18, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

in the records section of the article i have add both references to all statistics apart form ronald de boer and sales, can you check that i have added the right reference to the right statistics Andrewcrawford  ( talk  -  contrib ) 13:30, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * no problem take your time it goign to be at least a month or so before i have th article to GA/FA status i just cant work out which one you are saying ti covers my reading is poor i am that stupid you need to probally list them in a prose!!!!15:16, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * no rush its only a minor issue teh reference at least cover a few of them so just need the other chnge to citation needed again-- Andrewcrawford ( talk  -  contrib ) 15:25, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Celtic Supporters site
I am seeking an explanation of your behaviour on the Celtic Supporters article. Why have you continuously allowed content, regarding the "**** UEFA" banner and subsequent UEFA fine, to be removed from the page without any justification, within the edit history, or the talk discussion? Before engaging so enthusiastically on one side of the discussion, I'd have hoped you would have taken the time to actually view the content you were allowing to be reverted, which was NOT restricted to the matter regarding Joe O'Rourke's sectarian behaviour. Aware of this unacceptable situation, I specifically stated "a particular editor has removed content, namely that describing previously omitted consequences of the "F**K UEFA" banner, without any justification either within the revision history or this discussion page"... to which you replied, clearly in some degree of confusion... "You don't have WP:consensus for the addition. He isnt notable in his own right and thats pretty clear".

If an editor wishes to remove content X (the o'rourke matter), he removes content X, not X and Y(the banner matter).

If you had taken the time to look at the material in question, you would have realised that ZERO reason has been presented for undoing the "**** UEFA" banner information, you would have warned the offending editor in question, and you would not have continuously reverted to its deletion. I hope you understand my frustration regarding this matter. If you go to the trouble of adding content, researching citations, in good faith, you expect the material to treated at least through due process from established wikipedia editors.Gefetane (talk) 21:00, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I added a comment in the Celtic Supporters talk page as you said. Look forward to your response.Gefetane (talk) 21:16, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Hearts match
I just watched the highlights there. Not sure what to make of the result but that was a truly atrocious refereeing performance. Adam4267 (talk) 23:34, 19 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I've been quite surprised about Barr playing so far forward as well. I genuinely never thought I'd hear the phrase "that's quick feet from Darren Barr" uttered by a commentator. I do like McGowan but can he actually cross the ball? Paterson's got a decent right foot on him but I always thought McGowan lacked a bit of technique. To be fair to McGlynn he's having to follow Paulo Sergio who was a terrific manager and his budget has been cut a fair bit. Hearts are playing decent football aswell and he's bringing the youngsters through but yeah he does seem more suited to being an assistant or head of youth. The annoying thing is I think Paulo could have beaten this Liverpool team. Vlad's put so much money into Hearts over the years and he finally gets a manager good enough to take Hearts to the next level and he lets him go :( Sad because I think his team would genuinely have challenged Celtic this season if Vlad have given him a little backing. In all honesty I think Hearts will struggle to finish in the top half this season. Which is annoying to me because you Aberdeen and Dundee United have the best fans and it'd be best for the game if all three were challenging for second. Adam4267 (talk) 19:56, 20 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah McGlynn doesn't seem like he has the managerial ability to do well with Hearts. Although maybe he will improve during the season as he doesn't have much experience at this level so could learn. I think if Vlad really has lost his interest in Hearts then he might well just leave him. I can't see Hearts doing awful but I can't see them doing particularly well either. It must be quite annoying for you though because I think Paulo did so well last season and if Vlad had given him a little more I think he could have achieved so much with that team. Adam4267 (talk) 20:26, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for the note left on my talk page, your conciliatory approach is appreciated and respected. My frustrations were more directed at another user rather than yourself for obvious reasons, as I've had you down as a balanced observer - and I retain that view - even if we've disagreed regarding the O'Rourke matter. At least you engaged in a discussion to allow us to disagree! In reality I was less fussed with that particular content, the relevance and wording of which I am a little less sure of now, as I was the deletion of the other stuff which was caught up in the back and forth somehow! Regarding my own contributions, I hope you will respect that I always make an effort, and take the time, to justify them rationally and not resort to un-reasoned opinion pieces. I think this is the only basis for progress. I'm a new editor to Wikipedia and its been a fast learning curve on the battleground that is the Rangers FC page, but I think I've made a positive difference so am keen to get involved in other areas when I have the time. Cheers. Gefetane (talk) 17:24, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

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Hey Warburton, thanks for the welcome back. I was abroad & watching all the sporting events over the summer so decided to take sometime off. Not sure if I'm going to return editing to the same the level as before. Going to fully complete the transfer list & then take it from there. I noticed you haven't returned to the task force, sad to see. Is there anything I missed out on or need to know? &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 13:43, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I know it's a sub project but apart from one or two issues we can go about our own business progressing Scottish articles without correspondence with the main project if you wish. I think it's only right your name be there not only as you're the founder but your continued vast contributions to season pages. Glad to see Rangers is back to 1 page what a nonsense. Have you had any issues with the season pages so far? Thanks for the transfers you did add considering your workload. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 14:05, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Well that's good news on the taskforce front. As for the transfer list yes the winter list has to be created but I didn't want to create it yet as I didn't want to commit myself to it so to speak. I was going add all the transfers by club to the current list that way I could add any missing to the season pages, so started with Celtic but after that having sourcing issues. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 19:01, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

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Going fine just taking it slowly haven't got that much free time. Still going club by club to ensure season pages & transfer list will correspond at the end. While we're on the topic did Craig Thomson official leave Hearts or are they just letting it seem that way? This guy moved from Hearts to QOS, thing is he was never officially contracted to Hearts see here best to go with Unattached to QOS yes/no. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 07:02, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I just created the winter list didn't want to get too far behind like the other list seeing as it seems I'll be sticking around. I'll have the summer one completed on Tuesday. On a different topic an article which you previously nominated for AfD has been renominated see Lewis Macleod (footballer). &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 16:45, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

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Well if I am free what way do you want to split it. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 18:44, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah no probs. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 21:36, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Certainly was shocking result, not sure where I'm going to get the match reports BBC don't seem to be doing them, the SFL don't do the Scottish Cup & Sky is taking forever to load. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 17:32, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
 * With Rangers not in the league you really need to take advantage of it not sure he'll get the sack though. Yeah I'll start the Second Division, do the league matches. BBC did a report for Rangers obviously but it didn't even have the line-ups. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 18:14, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
 * There was no subs in the Stenhousemuir match but a sub scored how does that work, apparently the press association crashed earlier today. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 19:42, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Sekhon again haha. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 20:02, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Picked the wrong week to comeback, Forfar played two players I can find no record of but may be correct as they have a lot of injuries. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 20:29, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Stenhousemuir & Arbroath Subs issues, Stranraer & East Fife Sub Issues & Attendance, Ayr v Brechin SFL seem to have forgotten Austin McCann got sent off. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 22:09, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Even on Gillette Soccer Saturday they didn't know what was going on. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 22:17, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Finally sorted. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 23:14, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you want to switch each week to stop it becoming repetitive as in SPL & First Division one week & the others the next? &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 21:53, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * With that said I won't be able to do the Caley match on Friday. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 00:46, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Is Jim Weir the only manager to be relieved of his position in the SPL/SFL so far this season?
 * Just noticed this website doesn't seem copyrighted but not sure if we could use these photos. Have a look see what you think possible images for Grant Adam & Ryan Scully although the birthplaces are quiet contradictory of their wiki articles. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 09:07, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thought that was the case with Weir was just unsure, pity about the photos. Just a word of warning not sure what kind of internet protection you have but I would avoid Elgin's website my internet security says it has malware. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 06:03, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah leave the rotate till the following week. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 09:19, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know the circumstances surrounding Adam leaving but is there any chance you could mail him you know him better than I. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 09:33, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Someone can't remember who changed all the sources that weren't already cite news too cite news in a previous transfer list. I was unsure on the matter so didn't bothering considering reverting but then having read this sometime ago thought it was always preferable to use cite news. The only real reason I bothering changing it was cause I was moving title before url for consistency sake & did it at the same time. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 18:56, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Never noticed the italic thing before, maybe your right I don't know why they have to have both unnecessary added confusion. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 19:29, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I found the edit I was talking about & it was only the BBC references which were moved from cite web to cite news which is the opposite of what you said. &#9733;&#9734;  DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 20:05, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

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Couldn't find an obituary for him, might sound like an odd question but how long do funerals take in Scotland. I know they can take up to two weeks in England but over here they normal take 3 days, just want to know, as it'll explain whether it's still to be published or won't be. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 00:00, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
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Couldn't find an obituary for him, might sound like an odd question but how long do funerals take in Scotland. I know they can take up to two weeks in England but over here they normal take 3 days, just want to know, as it'll explain whether it's still to be published or won't be. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 00:00, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
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Couldn't find an obituary for him, might sound like an odd question but how long do funerals take in Scotland. I know they can take up to two weeks in England but over here they normal take 3 days, just want to know, as it'll explain whether it's still to be published or won't be. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 00:00, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The leg break was mentioned - him nearly losing the leg wasn't. GiantSnowman 07:45, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I never doubted that. GiantSnowman 08:11, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
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Couldn't find an obituary for him, might sound like an odd question but how long do funerals take in Scotland. I know they can take up to two weeks in England but over here they normal take 3 days, just want to know, as it'll explain whether it's still to be published or won't be. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 00:00, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
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Couldn't find an obituary for him, might sound like an odd question but how long do funerals take in Scotland. I know they can take up to two weeks in England but over here they normal take 3 days, just want to know, as it'll explain whether it's still to be published or won't be. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 00:00, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
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 * I never doubted that. GiantSnowman 08:11, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
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Couldn't find an obituary for him, might sound like an odd question but how long do funerals take in Scotland. I know they can take up to two weeks in England but over here they normal take 3 days, just want to know, as it'll explain whether it's still to be published or won't be. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 00:00, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
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 * I never doubted that. GiantSnowman 08:11, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
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Couldn't find an obituary for him, might sound like an odd question but how long do funerals take in Scotland. I know they can take up to two weeks in England but over here they normal take 3 days, just want to know, as it'll explain whether it's still to be published or won't be. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 00:00, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
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Couldn't find an obituary for him, might sound like an odd question but how long do funerals take in Scotland. I know they can take up to two weeks in England but over here they normal take 3 days, just want to know, as it'll explain whether it's still to be published or won't be. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 00:00, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
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Couldn't find an obituary for him, might sound like an odd question but how long do funerals take in Scotland. I know they can take up to two weeks in England but over here they normal take 3 days, just want to know, as it'll explain whether it's still to be published or won't be. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 00:00, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
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I spotted you adding Snowy's articles & it reminded me of something I was going to do a few weeks ago. To check all participants created articles & add any that hadn't already been added as I hadn't done it since March. Anyway finished it last week didn't know if you noticed thought it would be best before archive. I'm going to email Soccerway about Aaron Sekhon before his article gets created by mistake it was Aaron Sinclair he was mistaken with on all 3 occasions? &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 21:21, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I was just about to ask you about the archive, no need now. HockeyBen was the worst he creates a hell of a lot off articles but all are Hockey related but had to check all of the Biogs just in-case. Sekhon stats have been put back to zero & Sinclair's will updated later when the cache clears. I'll do the 2 season pages tonight if you don't mind. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 20:11, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes your correct. As for Soccerbase they are getting worse not only do they not correct mistakes but they're making their own like adding up Mikel's wrong & saying Scully played outfield. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 20:34, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Oops, Thanks. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 22:11, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, thought he only had 4 clubs starting out boy was I wrong. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 06:15, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Another one bites the dust, looks like we'll have to do Aberdeen as well now. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 18:25, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I changed a few things but was trying to leave it the same as previous Aberdeen lists, I don't mind doing it but it takes longer. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 19:31, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Even though I've done them on older lists, I do find the start 11's annoying editing the x, y axis when you changing a player. I'll have a look for something on Lowdon after the Chelsea match is over. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 19:58, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Had a search only found this and this nothing about joining Brechin from PAEEK. Search in Greek turned up nothing about him leaving only joining PAEKK. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 20:51, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah put one ref in fee and another in from. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 18:35, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks will do. If i don't reply quickly over the next few weeks im not ignoring you just extremely busy with work, so gonna be a bit patchy. Blethering  Scot  19:45, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion, but it's too short. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 23:09, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * By how many characters. Just wonder if we can expand somehow. Blethering  Scot  23:12, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I presume they count headings it doesn't say they don't, so 500. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 23:16, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Probably best to wait for Paul. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 23:23, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Did my one's slowly on Saturday was a bit busy & wasn't online yesterday so just getting through them now, I found that obituary. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 19:32, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * BS are you going to be back this weekend? Just wanted to know as I won't be online for the rest of the day. Will have to do all of the season pages Sunday if your not free. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 11:26, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

They're all done hope your back next week. I added all the fourth round ties, Hibs & Hearts that's a biggie, you had them at home in the test draw. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 22:16, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

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Couldn't find an obituary for him, might sound like an odd question but how long do funerals take in Scotland. I know they can take up to two weeks in England but over here they normal take 3 days, just want to know, as it'll explain whether it's still to be published or won't be. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 00:00, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
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Hi BS, can you have a quick look at Celtic's season page, the layout of results looks all lopsided, may just be my computer did it last season as well but went back to normal itself. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 18:19, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
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 * All the results are over to the left with scores looking odd due to the lack of space, somewhat like below. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 19:23, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
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 * I tried four Web browsers displaying funny on all of them & then tried a mobile device same thing. As for the Dundee United match, there's nothing on either of the club's reports, so I'll have to contact BBC but before I do, need to clarify it was Ivan Sproule and Skacel that were booked but not Jorge Claros despite being involved. If you find evidence of the other booking let me now. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 19:59, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Started a week or two ago, yeah the Hibernian page is gone weird also, maybe somebody messed with the template but I can't find it can only find collapsible footballbox template. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 20:19, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
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Yeah feeling better, was trying to catch up on as few things but got stuck reverting stuff. Maybe tomorrow or the next day I'll get what I want done. BBC won't correct errors anymore emailed them about the Skacel thing you told me & nothing & now they won't correct Watt playing not Lustig which Soccerway already corrected. Not going good for Hearts, McGlynn still hanging in there & my club is just a circus at the minute. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 21:27, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
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I know you don't contribute at WP:FOOTY anymore but I opened a thread relating to a Scottish article see here. Don't feel you have to comment there if you don't want to I was just letting you know, as last time you told me it wasn't on your watchlist. Cheers &#9733;&#9734;  DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 01:49, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
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Time with my family, some nice presents, good food etc. I guess I can't complain (apart from being ill), you? I was going mention to you about next season, that if editors wish to create season pages for their clubs let them go for it, but as for creating articles for all the clubs & maintaining them, just seems unrealistic especially when we are doing (mainly you this season) approx. 36 out 42. The sense of obligation & monotony is getting annoying & impedes from doing other things on Wikipedia. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 03:11, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

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Time with my family, some nice presents, good food etc. I guess I can't complain (apart from being ill), you? I was going mention to you about next season, that if editors wish to create season pages for their clubs let them go for it, but as for creating articles for all the clubs & maintaining them, just seems unrealistic especially when we are doing (mainly you this season) approx. 36 out 42. The sense of obligation & monotony is getting annoying & impedes from doing other things on Wikipedia. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 03:11, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

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