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Re: Wikipedia Malaysia Meetup 1
I can bring my brother who also occasionally edit on Wikipedia. He is Hafiz13100. BTW, if you don't know about me, check my user page.

I can also suggest the user Aiman_abmajid (now operating the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Malaysiana85 account) if you want. Khairul hazim 13:13, 7 December 2015 (UTC)


 * May I know where you all staying? Is it north (Penang, Perak), central (KL, Klang Valley) or south (Malacca, Johor etc)? So that I can think of a central place for the meetup. I'm staying south, and also I have a Wikipedian based in Singapore interested to join this first Wikipedia Malaysia Meetup 1. Chongkian (talk) 00:08, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Sorry for late reply. I live in Kuala Lumpur.Khairul hazim 01:06, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Prospective Meetup in Johor Bahru 1Q 2016
I like to have a meetup either Jan, Feb or Mar 2016 in JB or Batam. Let me know if this can work out.--Exec8 (talk) 12:09, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Looks like we will have it on 22 May 2016 in JB. I'm still doing the planning for it. Once confirmed, I'll let you all know (either in Facebook event page or in Wikipedia group/discussion). Chongkian (talk) 17:18, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you Addis! ~ :D Chongkian (talk) 07:37, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

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Commons category placement
Hi! Adding the Commons category to articles is really useful, thanks! But template instructions state "this template should be placed at the top of the last section on the page". Most often, this is the "External links" section. It'll save some other editors' time if you place it correctly. Cheers! — Gorthian (talk) 18:47, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh, thanks for the correction notice. Will change them afterwards. Cheers! Chongkian (talk) 01:15, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Oh, hehe .. thanks. I just love to write new articles during my spare free time if I have some idea to write (or if no one has ever write those articles yet) - you know, to the point where you start to get "addicted" to see if things are properly listed and displayed, hehe. I do acknowledge many of them are still in the stub condition, cuz basically I've just (for e.g. museum) written its name, native name, coordinate location, basic general description, location, history, year of establishment, architecture, exhibition, transportation info (if any), category, see also, etc. At least I've tried to put all of the most minimum required information for an article to stand alone. These also including photos (for some other articles), in which I need to travel or drive around to get the photos for those articles and list them down in Commons, and also the categorization of photos inside Commons and their inter-linkage between articles, different language of articles and with their photo category in Commons via Wikidata. Again, this is due to the limitation from the sources I could find in the internet. I've searched everywhere, and that's the only info I could get. So it's like I'm trying to create those "basic layout" first for other people to freely expand them to make them as great articles, not just simply "inflate" the total number I've written. But someone at least must have start writing them first to make the general basic outline, and to have those articles synchronized with other articles (year, district location, lists, naming convention etc). If particular article has so many sources, I believe many people would have created them since long time ago (e.g. article about Zika virus, gravitational wave etc - which are the mainstream ones).


 * Nevertheless, sometimes I also do write articles until it has expanded significantly due to the vast availability of the source (e.g. 2016 Taiwan earthquake, 2014 Kaohsiung gas explosions, New Taipei City, Islam in Taiwan, Electricity sector in Taiwan, Taiwanese local elections 2014, Electricity sector in Hong Kong, 2015 Ma–Xi meeting, Electricity sector in Macau etc). So again, it really depends on the availability of the information source in the Internet. Chongkian (talk) 23:02, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for you reply!
Hey! Thank you for replying here. Help is always welcome! :) At the moment, I am just waiting for a few more people to respond. Once we have a few more of us, we need to discuss some conventions for SG geo articles. Some of the more pressing issues are - distinguishing between a planning area and town (eg. Bukit Merah planning area vs Bukit Merah town), revising old templates and fixing disambiguation pages. Hope we can work together. Thank you once again for your help! --Lemongirl942 (talk) 06:31, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Input on PA/GA consensus
Hey there Chongkian. I know you have been busy, but if you are free, we would like a third party input on the current situation that is happening between me and Lemongirl942. She has continuously disagreed with my say on the situation and has yet to seek any form of consensus. I advise that you help us mediate this and deescalate the tension between the both of us. -- MageLam (talk) 17:07, 28 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Sometimes the best way to mediate a dispute is just to let both parties speak out their minds first. Then I'll see the overall idea from each side, summarize it, get the point, find the conclusion and take the middle point. I know it takes a bit of patience. But based on my experience, this is the best way. Oh ya, another way of settling this dispute is to bring this matter into any Wikipedia meetup. I'm currently organizing to make the Wikipedia Malaysia Meetup 1 in Johor Bahru, tentatively on 22 May 2016. I'm still looking for appropriate venue now. So if you and Lemongirl1942 are based in Singapore, I believe you both can easily join this meetup. In fact, there are two people from Wikipedia Singapore whom have confirmed on this. Once you are in the meetup, I can arrange a special session to discuss this matter and have other people a say about this, and probably make a consensus. What do you think? Chongkian (talk) 17:12, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

I would prefer the usual Singapore Meetup event like you did last year rather than take the time to travel across the causeway. Given that I'm a college student, I'm not too sure if my schedule can really take an event like this. -- MageLam (talk) 17:19, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

I think your best bet for now would be to solve the situation online. -- MageLam (talk) 17:24, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Uhm, ok I'll get back to u asap. It's sleeping time now (almost 2 am, lol). Will look through this again after the long weekend holiday. Gonna go to Malacca for some sightseeing, woohoo Chongkian (talk) 17:53, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Same for me, I'm going on a 2 day vacation to Johor in a few days time. XD -- MageLam (talk) 18:05, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Hey there! Is there a specific time tomorrow when all three of us can discuss about this? -- MageLam (talk) 16:26, 2 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Not today, currently very very busy at office & home later (you know, after long holiday so many things to clean up at home). How about Friday evening? Chongkian (talk) 01:48, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Ok, sure thing. Just tell me what time you can drop by on Friday evening so I can arrange this with Lemongirl942 as well. -- MageLam (talk) 02:53, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

I will be setting up the discussion page for the event in the meantime. -- MageLam (talk) 02:54, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately I'm gonna be busy this weekend. Could we do it in stages instead? --Lemongirl942 (talk) 02:56, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Alright then, which day would you guys propose then? I rather conclude this quickly then have the situation be dragged further so I preferably won't do it in stages. -- MageLam (talk) 05:59, 3 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Stages is OK in my opinion. It gives time to everyone to reply and think about while still progressing the discussion. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 06:10, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Since you suggest stages, I would propose that we conduct talks in 3 phases. I wish to resolve the situation quickly as well as give all three of us the time to think as well. Let's try setting the dates for each one of them. -- MageLam (talk) 06:42, 3 May 2016 (UTC)


 * What I mean is that people can continue to post and discuss. There doesn't need to be a fixed time when everyone has to be "live" (RFCs usually follow ad-hoc discussion patterns rather a particular live discussion time). Personally, I don't have a fixed schedule which makes it hard for me to specify a time and stick to it. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 06:52, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

I understand that you wish to perform this in an ad-hoc fashion as it is easier for all of us to digest. However, this would only drag the debate further without a form of organised discussion and I believe that we shouldn't continue to keep ourselves behind closed doors (like what is happening right now as we speak). You had previously rejected a dispute resolution when I offered you one and I do not wish for that to repeat itself should we conform to such ad-hoc talks. We might as well come out now and resolve this with a consensus quickly so that we can all move on and continue with this project. I have been holding on to my draft for the new introduction of the Bukit Merah article since two weeks ago and I've yet to implement it due to all the drama that is occurring right now. -- MageLam (talk) 09:24, 3 May 2016 (UTC)


 * I don't understand. First, please point out where have I rejected dispute resolution (please use diffs to point out stuff. Empty accusations don't count). The fact that I am responding shows that I am still participating. Second, I have some personal restrictions due to which I cannot promise to be "live" at one particular time. What's the problem with responding as and when we have time? --Lemongirl942 (talk) 11:11, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Here's the solid proof, no false allegations here this time. I asked you to point out what things we can agree on in order to make a final decision, but you refused to answer with your points and instead went on insisting that the current guideline set out by WikiProject Singapore is "better". I don't think we should continue on with this argument, it is really ruining our working relationship. Let us as contributors talk this out rather than finger point at each other. Wait for Chongkian to be free. In the meantime, let us look at the opinions that he currently has up on the page. I will put up my last points before setting up a new discussion section on the page. I do not wish to reply should your post be in regards to rambling. -- MageLam (talk) 11:41, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

If you do wish to reply as and when you wish, then so be it. Let's discuss this ad-hoc as you like it. But I do wish to repeat this once again, can you cooperate and see what points we can agree on first? Any rejections or opposing opinions can be brought up to Chongkian on Friday evening. -- MageLam (talk) 11:48, 3 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Straw man fallacy. Can you point out the statement where I have refused dispute resolution?
 * You asked me if I agreed with your proposal. I indicated I didn't see anything wrong with the current proposal.
 * Solving disputes in Wikipedia is not arriving at a midway point. It is based on consensus while respecting the policies and guidelines. Your proposal's point of difference (merging Planning Areas and areas into a single article) seemed contrary to multiple existing policies and guidelines, and hence I didn't agree with it. I'm not aware if you proposed anything else which differed from the current proposal. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 12:06, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Here is how the whole thing would be organized. -- MageLam (talk) 17:37, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Hey guys/girls relax, lol .. Take it easy. Wikipedia should be a fun place to be with. Our ultimate mission is to spread free knowledge as much as possible to the world, ok? ;) Ok, that looks nice MageLam, we can build up consensus in such format. Let me go through it one by one soon (not now, at office currently :P). Chongkian (talk) 00:17, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Just a gentle reminder. Do be ready with your first proposal on Friday evening or if possible, around the weekend. -- MageLam (talk) 10:23, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Take extra care in reading our points and objectives as well. -- MageLam (talk) 10:24, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

I would like you guys to state your account of what you understand and witnessed in regards to the current situation of the SG geo articles improvement project. If need be, write a disclaimer regarding your post. I believe this is necessary so that we three as well as other editors can understand the ongoing crisis. -- MageLam (talk) 12:20, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
 * You know all this talk of a "crisis" and "standoff" is actually amusing. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 12:21, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

You know for once, I'm glad to see the Lemongirl942 I know once again. I'm actually kinda tearing abit right now. Literally, no joke. :) -- MageLam (talk) 12:25, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Here is a rundown of our current state of affairs. -- MageLam (talk) 12:47, 5 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Believe me, debates are natural in Wikipedia. If you edit a bit more on the Wikipedia namespace, you will get into them most of the time. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 13:05, 5 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Gimme some more time. I'm slightly busier this week for organizing Wikipedia Meetup Malaysia 1 (looking for place, confirming participants, promoting the events). Nevertheless, I will look again on all of the summarized point & come to a conclusion this weekend. If I miss out some points (from the whole discussion all these while), do let me know. Chongkian (talk) 13:15, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Alright, noted Chongkian. Remember folks, the last time you can submit your personal points and arguments is by midnight. So hurry! XD -- MageLam (talk) 13:24, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

I know this might sound really hypocritical of me to repeat this given my recent actions, but please guys, let's stop editing articles regarding places in Singapore for the time being until we reach a final consensus. Unless of course, if the edit is a revert regarding vandalism or unsourced claims. -- MageLam (talk) 03:16, 9 May 2016 (UTC)


 * I was actually fine with that. But can we at least respect the existing guideline till this is solved? --Lemongirl942 (talk) 03:20, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Let's just leave the articles as they are in the meantime. Its going to be a huge mess if we revert all of them. -- MageLam (talk) 03:26, 9 May 2016 (UTC)


 * The existing guideline is always followed till a new one is drafted. I think we can edit, as long as we respect the existing consensus. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 03:30, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Given the current state of affairs right now and the fact that the articles are in a limbo, I don't think any sort of editing would be appropriate at this time. -- MageLam (talk) 03:33, 9 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Edits ensuring that the articles follow existing consensus is fine in my opinion. I don't think stopping edits is a solution. If some edits are inappropriate (like the CBD redirects you created), it can simply be discussed. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 03:38, 9 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Edits regarding subdivisions of Singapore may probably be halted now. But other edits (or writing new articles) for sure can continue, right? E.g. Bukit Batok by-election, etc ;) Chongkian (talk) 09:48, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, sure. No problem regarding that. -- MageLam (talk) 09:56, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

I suggest you get your second amendment ready soon, there is already quite some disagreement. Anyways, I'm not too sure if this current proposal would work out between the three of us. Should the situation turn more sour within the next 10 days, bringing this topic up to editors at the meetup would be the best course of action. We can probably decide the fate of the new guideline and this project from there. -- MageLam (talk) 09:39, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

I would definitely encourage the involvement of a fourth or fifth party. -- MageLam (talk) 04:18, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

I'm going to politely repeat this for the last time for all members involved in the project. DO NOT edit articles regarding Singaporean places for the time being. It is essentially breaking our neutrality on this situation. We should be discussing at the moment and not edit warring on pages regarding Singaporean places. Until we reach some form of consensus or agreement, editing such articles for now should be strongly discouraged. -- MageLam (talk) 17:51, 14 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Sorry. I have to disagree here. I reverted an un-discussed redirect. This is always permissible. Anyone is free to revert a bold edit. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 17:54, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
 * No problem. I haven't touched anything about Singapore-related articles. I'm doing some stuffs about Taiwan-related articles and also preparing for the Malaysia Meetup 1. Chongkian (talk) 11:53, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

I am not talking about your bold edit. I am talking about your overall involvement in constantly editing such articles despite the fact that a guideline is still not drawn up yet. -- MageLam (talk) 17:56, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Sure there is room for improvement in every article no denying that. But given the fact that such articles are in a limbo, such editing is not encouraged. -- MageLam (talk) 17:58, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

I don't mind you reverting an undiscussed redirect, but I prefer you leave the page as it is in its status quo state rather than add on content given there is no guideline. -- MageLam (talk) 18:05, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

I will ignore your actions for the time being. I really don't want to get involved in anymore of this. I drew myself into an editing pit hole that I never intended to draw myself into... -- MageLam (talk) 18:08, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Hey there! I think I'm shifting our direction on how we write the guidelines now. I will be implementing several elements from Huaiwei's "structure", the current MOS and other points from all other suggestions. I will be drafting out several points bit by bit on the main guideline page. Your help and feedback on this would be most appreciated. -- MageLam (talk) 10:18, 15 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Ok, got it. Chongkian (talk) 11:54, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Given the current sunset state of WikiProject Singapore (and specifically WikiProject Singaporean places), I believe that it would be good if we could spread the word about this issue to the outside community during the upcoming meetup. Bringing this up as a topic can help decide the future of these articles. I really can't stress that enough. -- MageLam (talk) 16:01, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

I'll try to bring this issue during the Malaysia Meetup, although I think this is more appropriate to be discussed during Singapore Meetup. Maybe I can make the next Singapore Meetup soon, then for sure you will be able to join this & further discuss it. Chongkian (talk) 04:52, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Hey there! I'm gonna require your feedback on the new guideline in its current state. Writing is still in process, nothing final here. Anyways, how was the meetup? -- MageLam (talk) 15:14, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure, let me have a look slowly later. Oh, the meetup was not bad. We've discussed what needs to be done in the future or any upcoming event. And of course we agreed that we need to have more meetup first at the beginning to get enough people/editors to continue the Wikipedia Malaysia work continuously. Chongkian (talk) 00:34, 23 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Any particular space/section I can write down my comments? Or maybe here would suffice already? Chongkian (talk) 00:17, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

You can provide them on the talk page. -- MageLam (talk) 01:05, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Hey there. This whole situation between me and Lemongirl942 is getting out of hand. I suggest its best you bring us to the discussion table and talk this out. Seriously, she has been reverting almost every edit I do, claiming it as "contested content". We really need to settle this as there is no real guideline for Singaporean places. There's literally no one to approach as the community here has died out. I can't continue to improve content if this situation drags on. I really wished this whole thing just stops. -- MageLam (talk) 09:05, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Re: Wikipedia Malaysia Meetup 1
Sorry Chongkian, looks like I can't go to the first meetup in Johor because it's far away. But I would be looking forward for the next meetup around Klang Valley in the future.Khairul hazim 15:15, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I do realize that. But since we have some group already in Singapore, they wish to do it in Johor Bahru. I organized in Singapore already last year November. And now we wanna start to do it in Malaysia for the very first time starting from the nearest point to Singapore, which is Johor. Later after this, I'll try to make the next Malaysia Wikipedia Meetup event nearer towards Klang Valley, either Malacca or KL. Chongkian (talk) 15:19, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

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 * Oh, thanks a lot for your response & pointing on that matter. I'll have a deeper look into that matter & rectify/improve it asap. Thanks a lot again. Chongkian (talk) 03:27, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

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Hi there.

I want to refer to your edits on Kuala Terengganu. Sultan Mizan Zainal Abidin and UMT are indeed located in Kuala Nerus district but Kuala Nerus is under the jurisdiction of Kuala Terengganu City Council. The wiki article of Kuala Terengganu itself covers both the city (with Kuala Nerus section under it) and the district. So it would make sense to put both items in the article since they are under the city council's jurisdiction.

What is your opinion on it? That's all. Thank you. Fikku fiq (talk) 14:56, 31 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, thanks for noticing it. I've been trying to clean up & make it neat for anything related to Malaysia sub-division related articles (states, districts, mukims etc). Wikipedia is about what is real out there & the fact, not on people's common perception. If there is any misconception, then we need to straighten it. Many articles about districts in Malaysia is not really up to the standard, in which there are so many old facts & so many overlapping. That's why let's try to correct it one by one.


 * Within Terengganu, there are districts of Kuala Terengganu and Kuala Nerus, in which each of them is exclusive between each other and no overlapping, because these articles are more about geographic location, not government/political-related articles. After Kuala Nerus has been declared as a district in 2014, thus everything about Kuala Nerus written inside Kuala Terengganu has to be taken out to be put inside Kuala Nerus article, unless there is some commonly shared history between the two districts, then it can be put at the historical section of Kuala Terengganu article. Regarding Kuala Terengganu City Council, since it governs both Kuala Terengganu & Kuala Nerus, then that city council has to be mentioned twice (in Kuala Terengganu article & Kuala Nerus article), because the articles that we have currently are those 2 places. Of course once someone has created article Kuala Terengganu City Council, then such explanation can be written inside the article. Like for Petaling Jaya, there is the geographical Petaling Jaya article and Petaling Jaya City Council government article. Even when talking about Genting Highlands, it is about Bentong District of Pahang and Hulu Selangor District of Selangor because the highlands are in fact located in both states.


 * One similar case is this one. When talking about Perak's districts, when Bagan Datoh District has been declared a full district out from Hilir Perak District in January 2016, so anything related to or inside Bagan Datoh has to be taken out from Hilir Perak article and put everything inside Bagan Datoh article. Only the historical part of Bagan Datoh (story when it was still part of Hilir Perak) stays inside Hilir Perak article.


 * I know there are always some overlapping in Malaysia administrative divisions-related articles, but that's the thing we need to do slowly one by one in Wikipedia, as an article website. For less strict naming/border, that can be written inside Wikivoyage, for tourism-related purpose. But Wikipedia is all about factual data. We had a similar discussion before actually at Wikipedia Malaysia Meetup before.Chongkian (talk) 15:12, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Since you edit on Taiwan related article
Hey Chongkian. Since you edit on Taiwan related articles a lot (like seriously a lot ) you may wish to take part in the RFCs which happen on related issues. There's one at Talk:Republic_of_China_general_election,_2016. I believe there are others happening as well. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 06:18, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Also, you can help take part in some of the RFCs for Malaysia articles as well. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 06:19, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Hehe, I'm very interested in Taiwan thing. Actually I do realize that there are soo many debate & discussion in Taiwan-related Wikipedia articles whether to use the 'Republic of China' or 'Taiwan' name. Seriously, like 99% of Taiwan-related edits are just about the edit war switching between those two names. I have to say, I prefer to stay away from those ambiguous & sensitive discussion, and prefer to focus more on creating more & more new articles about Taiwan stuffs (museums, politicians, tourist attractions, events etc) in which I don't need to fight just because of naming.
 * But yeah, nevertheless I had tried to involve myself in such discussion, and probably will again in the near future. But as a guideline in a very general sense, due to the never-ending-dispute of Taiwan political nature, it is always best to just use the name 'Taiwan' only for any non-political articles (e.g. places, region, district, etc). But for any political-related article (government entity, government position, embassy/representative offices), then only I shall use 'Republic of China'. And more more, everytime the article is about cross-strait relations (ROC & PRC), then I shall use the name 'Taiwan' and 'Mainland China' respectively. Again, these are not the official guideline made by the ROC or PRC government. But this is the (so far) most acceptable status quo kinda regulation. But then again, after DPP won the local, legislative & presidential election last year, the name 'Republic of China' for sure will start to fade away slowly from Wikipedia articles, huhu.
 * Anyhow, I'm planning to make Wikipedia Singapore meetup on 11 September 2016. Will you be available? We can always continue the discussion on the administrative divisions of Singapore later. We haven't really finished the discussion last time, have we? Chongkian (talk) 06:30, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh this Sep month I'm super occupied on weekends haha. I will follow online though. For the administrative divisions, I actually have a friend who is doing research on this (with a lot of surveys) - like how do various divisions affect people's perceptions of areas. I guess I will wait for the results first. In the meantime, I let it be status quo.
 * For the Taiwan stuff, I started editing recently in this area and there is so much fighting over names. I have seen some editors who want to remove any mention of "China" from Taiwan articles. I actually stick to the convention you mentioned - Taiwan for general non-political articles and ROC for government entities/elections. Yes, with the DPP now in power, there seems to be more editors who are willing to push forward and rename everything to Taiwan. Personally speaking though, I'm not sure it is the correct thing (unless the country name changes), considering that we say "US Presidential elections" and not "American Presidential elections". This whole cross strait issue is a minefield. I have seen so much POV pushing including a recent attempt to remove the word "Chinese" from "Han Chinese" and only use "Han people" lol. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 06:59, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

The 1000 Challenge
Hello Chongkian, hope you're well. I wondered if you'd be interested in me setting something up for Taiwan at WikiProject Taiwan/The 1000 Challenge based on The 1000 Challenge (Nordic) and The 10,000 Challenge. The idea to reach 1000 article improvements and creations for Taiwan, encourage more editors to produce content and potentially stage some contests to increase output and interest. If interested and there's some editors you know who might be interested let them know and if there's a least a couple interested I'll start it.♦ Dr. Blofeld  20:27, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Dr. Blofeld, hope you are doing well too. Hehe, you know me. I would be more than happy even to create more than 1,000 articles about Taiwan, lol. Yup, I know around 3-4 people who always write/edit about Taiwan-related articles (Vycl1994, ASDFGH, Nlu, Lasersharp). Chongkian (talk) 00:27, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Haha, well, let's see if one or two of those are interested and I'll create something. The main aim is improving quality and sourcing of existing articles, but missing articles also welcome if not short stubs!♦ Dr. Blofeld  06:59, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Hey, you said about 1000 not being enough for Taiwan, interested in joining WikiProject Asia/The 10,000 Challenge?♦ Dr. Blofeld  17:15, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Lol, 10,000 is a bit crazy, unless I work as a full time Wikipedia writer ~ :P ... But well, why not. Let's aim for the sky for this and see how far we can go. There, I've singed up at the link u've listed there at the 10,000 Asian challenge. Chongkian (talk) 11:22, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Haha, but it's not just Taiwan of course. The The 10,000 Challenge is already a fifth the way there in a six months and that's just the small UK! Asia is a massive area and this could potentially attract a lot more editors chipping in on their countries! It's achievable, especially with contests! Can you try to get some of the other Taiwan editors contributing to it? This might make me do more work on Taiwan myself!♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:32, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I see, haha. Sure, no probs. I'll ask those who usually write about Taiwan-related articles. Now also I start to write many articles about Malaysia as well, might ask those people as well. Chongkian (talk) 11:39, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

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Asian 10,000 Challenge invite
Hi. The WikiProject Asia/The 10,000 Challenge has recently started, based on the UK/Ireland The 10,000 Challenge and WikiProject Africa/The 10,000 Challenge. The idea is not to record every minor edit, but to create a momentum to motivate editors to produce good content improvements and creations and inspire people to work on more countries than they might otherwise work on. There's also the possibility of establishing smaller country or regional challenges for places like South East Asia, Japan/China or India etc, much like The 1000 Challenge (Nordic). For this to really work we need diversity and exciting content and editors from a broad range of countries regularly contributing. At some stage we hope to run some contests to benefit Asian content, a destubathon perhaps, aimed at reducing the stub count would be a good place to start, based on the current WikiProject Africa/The Africa Destubathon which has produced near 200 articles in just three days. If you would like to see this happening for Asia, and see potential in this attracting more interest and editors for the country/countries you work on please sign up and being contributing to the challenge! This is a way we can target every country of Asia, and steadily vastly improve the encyclopedia. We need numbers to make this work so consider signing up as a participant! Thank you. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 01:28, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

It's going to be good fun I hope, happy editing :-) One thing, can you try to ensure that everything you write is sourced? Quality is important on this.♦ Dr. Blofeld  08:04, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, thanks a lot! Now I feel like my adrenaline is being pumped hard, lol. I'm a bit anxious/paranoid sometimes if suddenly there are people come and tell me that I've done many wrong things during this 'marathon' writing (e.g. not notable, wrong style, not important enough etc - things which discourage people from contributing, instead of encouragement & help). But yes, sources are very important. And as usual, the very minimum points that an article must have, I always try to include (name, native name, general description, history, location, accessibility/transportation, exhibition/content, coordinate location, photos from Wiki Commons (for places); name, name in native language, early life/education background, current job (which what makes him/her important to be written their articles), date of birth, time of appointment etc (for people/politicians)). Normally I will start a new article which has at least 2-3 website sources (non-blog) from the Internet. But feel free to let me know which articles I have written which need some improvement ;) Chongkian (talk) 08:26, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Hey, nothing wrong with the article choices and information. But it's more to prevent idiots coming along tagging unsourced sections that's all, we don't want those ugly tags on beautiful museums and parks now :-)♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:25, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh, thanks so much for pointing all of my flaws. Now I've learned to add more detailed on the referencing (too add the access date, publisher etc), because all these while I've just automatically use the reFill function for the references, without really looking into what details are still missing. Now I try to be more detailed & pay attention to all of those small details. I will for sure add more details to avoid those small sections. Again, sometimes it is because of the very limited available sources & information in the Internet :( Chongkian (talk) 00:59, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

For google books you can simply paste in the url here and it draws them up automatically :-)♦ Dr. Blofeld  09:43, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Perfect stubs now, keep up the great work!♦ Dr. Blofeld  08:01, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Still 8,000++ articles more to come to reach 10,000 .. lol Chongkian (talk) 00:22, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Invitation from Wikipedia Asian Month 2016
 Wikipedia Asian Month  Thanks for partipating Wikipedia Asian Month last year, and I hope you enjoy it. Last year, more than 7,000 articles contribute to Wikipedia in 43 languages in Wikipedia Asian Month, making us one of the largest event on Wikipedia. We will organize this event again in upcoming November, and would like to invite you join us again.

This year, we are lowering down the standards that you only need to create 4 (Four) articles to receive a postcard (new design), and articles only need to be more than 3,000 bytes and 300 words. We are also improving our postcard sending process, e.g. making the postcards right now, and collecting the address after the event ends without waiting other languges.

Wikipedians who create the most articles on each Wikipedia will be honored as "Wikipedia Asian Ambassadors". We will send you both digital copy, and a paper copy of the Ambassador certificate.

Thank you for considering! --AddisWang (talk)

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Dead links
I noticed that you recently deleted several dead references from Longgang Mosque. Instead of deleting these valuable references, might I suggest that you instead add archive URLs from an archive service, such as web.archive.org? I have already restored these references and added the archive URLs. With kind regards, Phlar (talk) 00:38, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh, I haven't tried such method before. If it can preserve the old URL, by all means please do so (I heavily expanded that article before (Longgang Mosque), of course me myself wish to maintain all of the information as much as I can, hehe). Although we need to maintain the website to be legit/clean/up-to-date enough, we need to retain the information from the website cited earlier on. Thanks for that web archive thing, I'll look more detail on it ;) Chongkian (talk) 00:42, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, when you add a reference to any article, you can go ahead and and the "archive-url" and "archive-date" to the reference. This way, the link will never become dead, because the archive URL will alreayd be there. (If web.archive.org hasn't already archived the page, you can submit it for immediate archiving.) Cheers, Phlar (talk) 16:39, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia Asian Month!
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 * 1) Please submit your articles via this tool. Click 'log in' at the top-right and OAuth will take care the rest. You can also change the interface language at the top-right.
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 * 3) Participants who achieve 4 accepted articles will receive a Wikipedia Asian Month postcard. You will receive another special postcard if you achieve 15 accepted articles. The Wikipedian with the highest number of accepted articles on the English Wikipedia will be honored as a "Wikipedia Asian Ambassador", and will receive a signed certificate and additional postcard.
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 * 5) If you have any question, you can take a look at our Q&A or post on the WAM talk page.

Invitation to the Wikipedia Selangor Meetup 1
The 3rd Wikipedia Malaysia Meetup had now arrived on Selangor! Pack your bags and your laptop, and meet some fellow Malaysia Wikipedians in the meetup!
 * Date: Sunday, 11 December 2016
 * Time: 12:00 - 2:00 pm
 * Venue: Sudo Brew, 7 Jalan SS 22/11, Damansara Jaya, Petaling Jaya, Selangor (3.13169°N, 101.62122°W)
 * Medium of communication:
 * English language - for the general overall meetup
 * Malay language - for a special session to discuss ms.wikipedia.org (subject to enough number of participants)

This meetup was initiated by Chongkian and the invitation was written and sent by NgYShung. For more information, see the meetup page. If there is any enquires, feel free to discuss at the talk page or at the Facebook event page. (Delivered: 07:27, 24 November 2016 (UTC))

Roll call of WikiProject Malaysia for 2017
Hello there ! The biennial/annual roll call of WikiProject Malaysia have been started! The roll call was intended for maintaining a healthy list of active members in the WP:MY members section. You may follow the instructions to stay in the WikiProject, or leave the WikiProject. Make sure you've make the right choice! After about 1 January 2017, you will be moved to the inactive members list. The link is at here. On behalf of WikiProject Malaysia, NgYShung  huh? (Delivered at: 11:19, 25 November 2016 (UTC), one run)

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