User talk:Crisco 1492/Archive 38

Sweet!
I like the extra "p", "people" word, awesome thanks! &mdash; Cirt (talk) 00:33, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia in-joke? Hrm, nope, haven't seen it yet, will have to check again to see what you're referring to. And thanks! I always loved potent potables... And the "potholes" sorta can refer to the "Roads" portals that some folks love to work on a bunch... What's life without a little random silliness and humor, everything in moderation, I always say, at least, I say that at least 50 percent of the time, or something, I guess I'm in a silly mood right now at the moment, is sorta wut I'm sayin... &mdash; Cirt (talk) 00:35, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
 * If you mean elephant population growth, that's friggin hilarious. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 00:36, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

I'll take swords for 400! &mdash; Cirt (talk) 00:39, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
 * What do we do if doesn't have time to contribute his portion to that section this week? I gave him a message prod, but don't know what his schedule will be like time permitting between now and press time? &mdash; Cirt (talk) 00:49, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay sounds good, no worries, either way, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 00:55, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Chopra FLC
Hi, I have nominated Chopra's awards and nominations list for FLC. Please, feel free to represent your though on it. The list was successfully reviewed for one month and have improved a lot. I'll be grateful if you can represent your suggestions here...Featured list candidates/List of awards and nominations received by Priyanka Chopra/archive2 as fast as you can. Thank You. Prashant  ✉  11:04, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Ratna Moetoe Manikam
Nyttend (talk · contribs) 16:02, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

on 27 and 3 occasions
I don't know what that means ... 30 times? - Dank (push to talk) 04:02, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
 * 27 Tests and 3 ODIs. We can add that if we need to, but right now I was just heading out the door. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:09, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Here we go. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:15, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Karina's Zelfopoffering
Lord Roem ~ (talk) 08:02, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Reza Rahadian
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Can you cover for me?
Crisco, I'm not going to be around for a few days, and I haven't been able to catch up on some DYK stuff that I should have. I'm hoping that you'll have the time and be able to do better than I have, so I'm flying through the nominations list in the hopes that I'll spot these noms where I'd seen problems, but hadn't gotten back to see if the fixes had been okay.

The three noms I could find:
 * 1) Template:Did you know nominations/2005 Pepsi 400
 * 2) Template:Did you know nominations/Samsung Ativ Tab
 * 3) Template:Did you know nominations/List of Presidents of Pakistan

I'd also appreciate it if you'd keep an eye out for things like the Gibraltar promotion max (one in any 24 hour period; I just had to move one back two prep areas because the hooks would have been back-to-back); there are only three approved hooks left after the latest two promotions. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:40, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll try, but I've been off and on all day. Scheduled power cut-off right now. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:01, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking care of them. I'm back now. (Interesting the number of talk page messages one can accumulate even with the "semi-wikibreak" template posted up top.) BlueMoonset (talk) 17:21, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I know! I think my record is... 8 or 10 messages, when I went to Lampung in 2011. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:28, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Featured content signpost this week
Hi Crisco! Just wanted to let you know that the Harlequin beetle FPC nomination you linked to at Wikipedia Signpost/2013-02-04/Featured content was unsuccessful; it was the second one that was successful.  ceran  thor 13:12, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Got it, thanks! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:19, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for fixing it.  ceran  thor 22:19, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Flip Carli
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:02, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Eagles...

 * File:2009 LPGA Championship - Morgan Pressel-edit.jpg (an FP yet to be a POTD)

Did you know... that, according to our article on Morgan Pressel, she scored her first professional hole-in-one in 2007 at a par three - which would make it an eagle?


 * File:Grant, Cary (Suspicion) 01 Crisco edit.jpg (another)

Did you know... that Cary Grant appeared in The Eagle and the Hawk in 1933?


 * File:Buzz salutes the U.S. Flag.jpg (another)

Did you know... that the the Eagle has indeed landed? (with apologies to Wehwalt!) BencherliteTalk 00:28, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
 * As my students would say, I have the evil smile coming...

Gimnazija Mostar DYK
Hi! I feel bad for troubling you with this sort of stuff but I think the photograph of Gimnazija Mostar is of very good quality and that it would look quite refreshing at the main page. Would it be possible to delay featuring the hook (currently in Preparation area 2) until it could be featured along with the photograph? Also, the reviewer and I agreed that the second alternative hook would be better than the original. I am sorry that I forgot to strike off the other two hooks to make it easier for you to pick the "right" one. Again, I am truly sorry for troubling you. Surtsicna (talk) 09:46, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll be happy to change the hook, but I'm afraid the image is a no go. The farmhouse image is a bit more interesting and we shouldn't have two pictures of buildings close together. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:48, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I would not mind delaying the hook for a day, two or more (if necessary to find room for the image), but if there is really no chance for that to work, I'll understand. Cheers, Surtsicna (talk) 10:01, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Picture question
Try a Selective Gaussian blur, about 2-3 pixels wide, with a relatively low max delta. It's not as bad as it could be, but you'll need to fiddle with the settings a bit to get it right. =) Adam Cuerden (talk) 11:18, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks pretty good! Try it at FPC! Adam Cuerden (talk) 14:22, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Bears and Man images
Hi Crisco. A couple fair use questions. I've uploaded a new, smaller version of this file:. I wasn't sure of what the desired resolution is - is this small enough to meet the requirements? In regards to, I'm looking at other fair-use screenshot files to figure out a proper rationale. Some of them seem pretty weak as well. You've got some film article experience, any advice? Or is it a lost cause with that one. Best, The Interior  (Talk) 22:37, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The title card is peachy, I've already deleted the old version and removed the tag. Non-free screenshots are a bit of a pain. WP:NFCC#8 says they must be used with contextual significance, and WP:NFCI says they can only be used for critical commentary. So a screenshot, used in Manhunter while describing the visual style, is acceptable, but a screenshot in a plot summary is not necessary for an understanding. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:07, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

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Template:Did you know nominations/Herman Frederik Carel ten Kate (artist), Herman Frederik Carel ten Kate (anthropologist)
Crisco, since you seem to be the person being cited by both sides, I was wondering whether you could take a look at this one—a QPQ dispute—and render a decision on whether QPQ has been satisfied or not. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:14, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Sejarah Film 1900–1950
On the quote — thanks for pointing out that it was in the image caption, since I'd not paid attention to the image at all. Meanwhile, I wasn't able to use the Webcite query at all (it gives me a blank page, so I used the original), so unless I misunderstand something, you may want to modify something there. Nyttend (talk) 12:25, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * They seem to be having funding problems (and thus perhaps the servers are instable), but it's opening for me. Thanks — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:29, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Greetings
Honourable sir, I believe http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=36.76.100.6 is a f-wit and doesnt understand why they were called 'Time in X' - any ideas of your own on this matter? I trust your intrinsically time in jawa tengah judgement... sats 14:43, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * You can see my opinion from the revert. Nice sig! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:47, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * sheesh that was quick, yup have been wandering into wikivoyage of recent picking up trails of your fellow londos living in indonesia - at least one i think you met in jakarta, and i fel the need to sound less like mister new year, at least sats has a certain ring (now J v de be cannot mispronounce my user name :| ) sats 14:51, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but now the Americans think you're a test. ;). I've met some interesting londhos in Jogja too. One's doing his doctoral on Chinese-Indonesian theatre. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:54, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Thomas Middlemore, John Oakley Maund, Henri Cordier (mountaineer)
Hey Crisco, can you take a look at this and give a second opinion. I'm assuming that DYK image rules are the same as FAC, but not being certain, wanted your opinion. One of the three articles has a picture a of a dead climber that I don't think is PD - but it's one of those turn of the last century type deals where the photographer might or might not have died 70 years ago & so on. Can you have a look? Thanks. Truthkeeper (talk) 19:53, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Replied there. Although the article should be free of copyright vios, it is sadly not uncommon for reviewers to neglect to check images which aren't run with the hook (so, in other words, in practice it's less strict than FAC). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:42, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I checked the sources so that should be fine. At first glance I wasn't worried about the image, but because there are three articles began to worry I'd missed something (wouldn't be a first for me!). And in worrying overlooked the article about the photographer! Duh! Thanks for the extra set of eyes. Truthkeeper (talk) 22:49, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. It would really help to have the life span on the description page, so I think I'll add that. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:51, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Did you know nominations/Paleontology in the United States
Crisco -- I apologize for my accidental revert of your comments at Did you know nominations/Paleontology in the United States. I'm not sure how that revert happened. Only thing that would explain it is an inadvertent "touch" on my ipad earlier today. I certainly didn't intend to revert your comments. Again, sorry about that. Cbl62 (talk) 21:35, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I thought as much. Don't worry about it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:21, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Dancing on the Ceiling
Nyttend (talk · contribs) 00:03, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Feb 15 POTD
"Although physically similar, the species is not related to the Turkey." That's not quite what the article says, I would imagine that it is definitely related to the turkey, perhaps not closely... Thanks for loading a few POTDs up in advance by the way, very helpful indeed. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:32, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up, going there now. My goal is to keep POTD scheduled at least two weeks ahead of time at all times, so that the blurbs can be checked ahead of time. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:06, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Me and Juliet
Looks good, though I won't get to it right away. I promised to do H.M.S. Hood and a couple suggestions by Sven first. Adam Cuerden (talk) 14:55, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks! I'd say its a living, but we're all volunteers here. Or, at this talk page at least... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:30, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Hey!
Would you mind taking a look at this FLC? Thanks! :D — ΛΧΣ  21  20:13, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:05, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Help
Hello there. I would like to ask you to close this nomination, because after thinking about it and looking at similar articles, I concluded that it's better if we merge Armenian population by country into Armenian diaspora. -- Ե րևանցի talk  06:20, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * You should ping a delegate, like The Rambling Man, or mark the nomination as "withdrawn" — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:18, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

PR
Hi, look forward to your comments at this peer review. &mdash; Vensatry (Ping me)  11:31, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think I can get to that. I know precious little about cricket — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:42, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Template:POTD/2013-02-21
Did you even check the image credits before changing them? Uploader =/= image editor. You didn't make the crop. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:47, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm the uploador AND editor, see the original file I make the crop and much more. The resolution my version is more fine, Marrus orthocanna.jpg, why don't you use it ? --Citron (talk) 11:59, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * That version is not an FP. The nomination found the close crop better by a large margin. If you disagree, try and delist and replace nomination at WP:FPC — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:02, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but it's the same crop, but with a better resolution. It's a FP too.--Citron (talk) 12:16, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * What ? It's a FP on Commons, so it's a FP, I don't lie ! The new is noisy but it's more clean, I has fixed the first upload, it was damaged AND noisy. I remind you that this is an underwater photography. It's not different image, why do you say that ? Just HD version, same Image, same rights ! I don't understand your annoyance, acknowledge my work on this image, it seems normal.--Citron (talk) 12:56, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm finding it very hard to maintain good faith with you. This is the English Wikipedia, an image selected for picture of the day on the English Wikipedia must be an FP on the English Wikipedia. The image you have tried to insert several times is not an FP on the English Wikipedia, and thus cannot be shown as POTD on the English Wikipedia.
 * As for you uploading the image over the old one on Commons, it is a definite violation of Commons:Overwriting existing files. And I quote: "Files that have been awarded a special status like Commons Featured Picture (or the equivalent on another Wikimedia project) should never be overwritten - the status applies to a particular file version, and even minor changes should be uploaded as a new file." You should upload that... monstrousity... as a separate file. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:08, 8 February 2013 (UTC)


 * The image you have tried to insert several times I do this one time, not exaggerate please. Anyway I am the editor of the image, see the difference with the original.
 * Ok for Commons:Overwriting existing files, so I must uploaded and nominated again this image, just because it's HD and restored version ? It turned on its head, a bit.--Citron (talk) 13:27, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Russian Booker Prize
Hello,

thanks for your comments on Featured list candidates/Russian Booker Prize/archive3. I think I made all the changes. Regards.--Tomcat (7) 12:50, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Uncle David
Ah, thank you Crisco. If you don't get the time to do so, don't worry about it. There's no pressure. Best, Midnightblueowl (talk) 13:45, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK queue swap?
Hi Crisco, do you think it might be possible to swap the sea urchin DYK at the top of Queue 3 with my Gibraltar DYK from the top of Queue 5? I see that the latter is due to run between 00:00 and 05:30 London time, according to Template:Did you know/Queue; it would be nice if the Gibraltar DYK could run during Gibraltar's daytime hours, rather than in the small hours of the morning (local time). The sea urchin DYK doesn't seem to have any time considerations. Prioryman (talk) 22:33, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I think the last Gibraltar hook before yours was run less than 24 hours ago, so doing so would violate the restrictions which are (unfortunately) still in place. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:39, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * You're right, I hadn't noticed that. Maybe move it to the top of Queue 6, which is currently empty? Prioryman (talk) 22:56, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * That might be doable. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:57, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Changed. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:23, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much. Prioryman (talk) 08:50, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:54, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
 * That's interesting, it seems to have broken the bot... didn't get a notification on my user talk page. Or is the bot itself down? Prioryman (talk) 21:42, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * More likely I screwed up, or there were only make/nom credits for Anne. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:56, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Astaman
Nyttend (talk · contribs) 00:04, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Astaman
Just to let you know, the Varia footnotes in Astaman have an inconsistent year with the item on the works cited list. — Arsonal (talk + contribs) — 01:33, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * D'oh! Forgot to change it when using the format from Titiek Puspa! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:39, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Diponegoro
This article was in the Jakarta Globe today. Diponegoro might make a good choice for a future biography improvement drive since we seem to have a definitive biography now. I'm particularly interested in the Yogyakarta sultanate's family tree included in the book's appendix. — Arsonal (talk + contribs) — 11:59, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * One of many. I think there's a 200-something page Indonesian biography too. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:43, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah. I downloaded all 29 MB (1000 pages) of this book, very thorough work. I'm surprised KITLV put this for open access, which is great. I also like that Carey used the un-Javanized "Dipanagara" and other names since we've had issues in the past trying to find sources for the early use of "Hamengkubuwana" instead of "Hamengkubuwono". — Arsonal (talk + contribs) — 21:02, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Cool. I don't know if I'll have time to dedicate to this, but I'll be sure to take a look when I'm back in Jogja (in Ciamis now) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:39, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for RAF Peterhead
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Template:Did you know nominations/Dat Sexy Body
Crisco, no rush, but have your concerns been satisfied on this one? Since all the sources are in English, there won't be translation close paraphrase issues on this one; it'd be nice to get it out of the way if it's ready. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:57, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Ucapan terima kasih

 * Burung jalak hinggap di pohon geuti,
 * burung beo makan selasih.
 * Kepada kakak yg sy hormati,
 * sy ucapkan terima kasih.

Kak Kris, begini, berkat bantuan kakak mau menghubungkan sy dgn kak Jim F., artikel jalak suren berhasil menjadi FA. oleh sebab itu, sy ucapkan terima kasih kepada kakak sebesar2nya, dan tak lupa kepada kak Jim F. yg baik hati itu. Salam. -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 03:16, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Sejarah Film 1900–1950
Carabinieri (talk) 08:02, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Three-dollar piece
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 * Nice. I also nominated Monroe Doctrine Centennial half dollar, a tale of greed and scandal.  More fruits of my visit to the ANA library.--Wehwalt (talk) 09:32, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Wow, now that a coin with a story! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:58, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Heuristics in judgment and decision making
Hi Crisco 1492. I had recently nominated an article for DYK and, reading the rules, realised that, per quid pro quo, I was obliged to review another nomination. I chose what I thought was the earliest nomination not yet reviewed. It happened to be this Heuristics ... one, on a topic I was not familiar with and frankly, almost too long to read. I the nomination: Template:Did you know nominations/Heuristics in judgment and decision making in, I believe, good faith. You have and applied a template to the article. I apologise for causing such an issue. As initial reviewer, what do I do now? Do I go back and change my review because the article now has a template? Do I notify the nominator? Once again, sorry -- Senra (talk) 12:06, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * No, you can still count it as a QPQ. Don't sweat it too much. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:05, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * (I know what your local time is so no worries about a rapid response) QPQ does not concern me; I would gladly attempt reviews on one or more extra DYK's&mdash;my own time permitting. I am more concerned about the status of my review of this nomination subsequent to your rejection. With respect to this review, are there any procedural next steps that I am obliged to undertake? -- Senra (talk) 14:55, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Nope, the onus is on the nominator. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:58, 9 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I sincerely hope I do not irritate you with this additional posting. My motivation is to relearn the DYK rules so that I can, in future, more actively participate in the reviewing process. As, "I am reluctant to disagree with [you]" but I did feel that , and passed, met with the DYK eligibility criteria and DYK review criteria as I understood them. I do accept that the article deserves the essay-like template which ; some example issues include: "well-publicised, jubilant winners", "explains this and several other ways" and Ignorance (subjects were not ignorant, which is too loaded; Ignoring would be more accurate here). I believe, however, that the spirit of DYK is to encourage the further development of new or expanded articles; not to present finished articles on the main-page. Does your post-review templating of this particular article work within that DYK spirit? -- Senra (talk) 14:04, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
 * As I said, there was nothing wrong with your review. It's just that we need to be extra careful with these types of articles, especially as there is a history of subpar articles, some loaded with copyvios, in that field (although not from the same writer). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:18, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Administrators'_noticeboard
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DYK for Resesi
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DYK for Just for You (Lionel Richie album)
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2012 in Featured Pictures
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DYK for Huwen op Bevel
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First coloured senator and representatives credits
So far as I'm aware, noone edited but me in this version of the file. There may have been a failed attempt at restoration before mine, but, if so, I didn't use it. Adam Cuerden (talk) 05:45, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, that. Aye, that was when I was on Wikibreak, but had put it on my deviantArt. Adam Cuerden (talk) 06:25, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Why did you close the main Page section
Come on!!! I hadnt even thrown a Hitler reference yet! TheOriginalSoni (talk) 07:45, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * And that's exactly why, as it was downspiraling so fast I expected a reference to come any minute. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:47, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * On a more serious note, what was the power as a sysop that you abused used to close the thread? TheOriginalSoni (talk) 07:53, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Any user could have closed the thread. If you think it was abuse, feel free to report me to WP:ANI. As I stated above, the discussion was going nowhere fast and I felt that personal attacks were likely to come if everyone kept arguing. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:55, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * That was more tongue-in-cheek than my actual impression of your closing.
 * So what was the actual policy under question? There ought to be some guideline related to closing of such threads, right?
 * And what it is about using :: or :* . I dont see how either is better/different from the other. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 07:59, 13 February 2013 (UTC)


 * And if there were going to be PA, it wasnt coming from my side. I was actually being very careful not to be doing anything of the sort there. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 08:00, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Just to be safe. I think WP:NPA and WP:CONSENSUS are clear enough reasons. As for :: vs. :*, one makes a dot and the other doesn't. There's also a difference between :* and ** , but I'm not too clear on that. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:12, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * But how does NPA come into effect here, since there was no personal attacks yet? Is there any guideline which specifically talks about preventional action?
 * But is there any difference in the context where they are used, or are they interchangable all the time? TheOriginalSoni (talk) 08:21, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Between :: and :*? I don't think so. But between :* and **... yes.


 * Like this
 * As for the NPA, preemption when a discussion looks to be downspiralling out of control is a good enough reason in my opinion. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:23, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * So its all based on just good judgement, and there are no guidelines or policies which actually talk about preemption? TheOriginalSoni (talk) 08:26, 13 February 2013 (UTC)


 * The reason I added the section inside was because I saw a reply by Grapple that was clearly after the section was closed. Do you mind removing that as well? (My first comment after the closing of the section was an edit conflict, that I had written before knowing that it had closed, and so should be there.) TheOriginalSoni (talk) 08:26, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * A judgement call and Etiquette. Let me check if Grapple's remarks were after the close. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:30, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. (Just my 2 paise - I think there ought to be some lines somewhere directly speaking of such closures; given how vital and frequent they might be.) TheOriginalSoni (talk) 08:32, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I've removed his later comment. Closed is closed. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:35, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright. And just because I'm curious - what would i do if i disagreed with your closure? TheOriginalSoni (talk) 08:43, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Remove the hat and hab templates — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:45, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thats it?
 * Yep. Now, as to whether it stays closed or not it depends on other editors. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:32, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks a ton for clarifying these things. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 10:41, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:47, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Kedok Ketawa
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Non-Free images
Please read the usage rationale before deleting images that are needed to fully illustrate an article, as you did in Nude (art).FigureArtist (talk) 06:57, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:NFCC, especially #8. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:27, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I did, and my usage passes that test.FigureArtist (talk) 15:26, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Erm, really? And where is the commentary in the article related to these images. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:31, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, I don't see how, with free examples of the form, non-free images can't be mentioned or discussed without having to show them. Their absence doesn't hinder understanding of their composition as it's a simple leap from, say, a Rubens nude to a Freud one. GRAPPLE   X  15:37, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I've already opened a non-free review. It's not worth getting to 3RR over. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:40, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Featured picture candidates/Matanaka Farm
Congrats to another one! My suggestion that was not taken is now on my talk, my personal TFP ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:54, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Saw that, it is a pretty cool picture. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:01, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Hot seems to fit better than cool, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:14, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks
. . . for dealing with all that. Chick Bowen 20:50, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Pain how some people think any nudity is pornography. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:22, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Notification of discussion
A few months ago, you participated in a discussion on Wikipedia talk:Did you know about Gibraltar-related DYKs on the Main Page. I am proposing that the temporary restrictions on such DYKs, which were imposed in September 2012, should be lifted and have set out a case for doing so at Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Gibraltar-related DYKs. If you have a view on this, please comment at that page. Prioryman (talk) 21:58, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Replied. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:41, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

sheessshh sekali lagi
Hell the rot is in, hasnt even crept in, grammar, spelling, etc ect - into articles about Indonesian culture (even the article about satu suro nonetheless) - small niggling mis-usings of english by non native speaker editors. I dont want to point at anyone ed or go chasing, but dont be suprised if I come asking for advice/help/assistance with specific issues. There's a lot of them there that need checking after this brief foray... sats 12:42, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Ears open. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:07, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Re: Hong Kong
Thanks! I'm still about, just can't be bothered to remove the banner! Howzat?Out!Out!Out! (talk) 15:07, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Indonesia are yet to play cricket at ODI level, but the national team does play in regional tournaments against other "minor" cricketing nations. I believe the national teams last outting was in the 2011 ICC EAP Cricket Trophy Twenty20 Division Two in Samoa, so it's quite a few steps away from ODI level, which at present is restricted to sixteen members of the ICC. Who knows though, Afghanistan came from nowhere to play at ODI level, so perhaps Indonesia can too! Howzat?Out!Out!Out! (talk) 15:22, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Featured sounds
Can you let me know when this is going to appear in the Signpost? I'll make sure to have a nomination up that day. Tony1 is being a complete idiot about this, e.g. "I don't care that the Administrators Noticeboard disagrees with me, I want you to have another discussion on a less-watched page!" so I'd like to delay to the last minute. Adam Cuerden (talk) 16:58, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Proposal to implement TAFI that affects OTD
Discussion is ongoing about how to implement Today's articles for improvement on the Main Page. A proposal is being worked on with general community support, where TAFI is put it on the left hand side, below the DYK content. In order to balance the Main Page, part of this proposal involves increasing the OTD content by one item per day. Since you are an editor involved in the process, I would ask if you could comment on the proposal. -- Nick Penguin ( contribs ) 17:30, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Ian Hummer DYK queue
I see you put Ian Hummer in Prep 1. This does not appear to be the right queue given the gametime, but I am not sure what forthcoming actions will be taken to get the queues back on schedule.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:20, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Tony, you asked for February 16. If you wanted something more specific, such as February 16 at [whatever the game time is], that's what you should have asked for. What is the game time? As noted on WT:DYK, the hook will be up starting at 09:48 Eastern Time. That means it will be removed at 18:03 Eastern Time (just after 6pm); it gets eight hours and fifteen minutes due to the gradual movement forward to get to regular times. If the game starts during this time period, that's probably as good as you're going to get. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:43, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
 * More or less what Bluemoonset said. If the game starts at 8 p.m., we just bump it back to prep 2 once it has been emptied. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:43, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The game is at 7PM eastern. I think this straddles two different queues unless we get back on schedule. You might only have to back up one queue.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:07, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
 * In that case we can bump it back one prep once the current set is promoted. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:12, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Antara (news agency)
This is a work in progress, but in case you're looking for side projects in article creation... Different sources seem to list the names differently (Sipanhuntar vs. Sipahutar), and Kebangoenan is Kebagoesan in my source (had to match the Sanusi Pane article). — Arsonal (talk + contribs) — 19:50, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm... that's odd. I have another free image that I don't seem to have uploaded yet, I'll try and get that. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:32, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Would you be able to find out for me if this book is available somewhere in Indonesia? — Arsonal (talk + contribs) — 12:12, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll have to take a look. As for the old image I have, I'll upload it when I boot up my old laptop. I don't seem to have done so before. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:14, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it's done. Wanna give it a copyedit? — Arsonal (talk + contribs) — 15:00, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
 * That's DYK-able too! Kewl. I'll take a look tomorrow, the Mrs wants me to go to bed now. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:03, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem. I need to find a good hook first. — Arsonal (talk + contribs) — 15:14, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Guess I jumped the gun there... but eh, at least you don't have to do a QPQ. Alright, good night. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:16, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Follow up on Mother India
We believe we've addressed/replied to all your points raised in the peer review. Thanks a lot for the detailed review. Would you mind having a look when you get the scope? Regards. --Dwaipayan (talk) 11:55, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

PS have not been able watch the film yet, so at least two concerns (name of village, and what exactly killed Radha's third son or destroys the crop etc) have not been addressed.
 * I was following that, it's pretty much done in my opinion except for the contemporary reviews and plot. Of course, a good copyedit before FAC would help tremendously. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:58, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Rothorpe has kindly started a copyedit. I did add two contemporary reviews. Indeed the first paragraph in the Critical Reviews section now has the contemporary reviews, while the second paragraph has later-day reviews. Do you have any specific suggestion about the plot ( please pardon if I overlooked some suggestion that you had already made in the peer review)? Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:43, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Just my suggestions at the PR. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:39, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Disco Demolition Night
Safely laid at PR. Hope you'll feel inclined to start the ball rolling.pr.--Wehwalt (talk) 18:40, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll try, but no guarantees. I'm starting university again tomorrow. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:40, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Understood. Good luck!--Wehwalt (talk) 11:03, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:04, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Dont do that
I'll have too many questions for you.... (your last comment)

National Hero of Indonesia (huh? since when was a collective group of people in the singular?) was just tabled and Indonesianised - who in the english speaking world wants to know the Kepres number? I reverted it, and fear that this will be a tendency if it is not evident already, wp en pages created in the new order style list (which says nothing) with the reverting of english text and explanations... this might require some concerted effort to explain to otherwise nationalistic lists at all costs (it was obsessive in new order era - lists say nothing - perfect item that doesnt have dialogue or grey areas...)

arrgghhh... etc etc sats 01:51, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The singular form of something, like an award's title, is fairly standard. See Nebula Award for Best Novel for another example. If we want to make National Hero of Indonesia a featured list (which is something we really should do, and we have images galore for it) we should probably have a table. The Keppres' can be references, or the Ministry's website. The version you reverted, however, was an absolute mess. You were right to remove it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:46, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree that the singular form is standard, unless you have a separate "List of National Heroes of Indonesia", which is really unnecessary forking. Keppres actually has a standard English translation "Presidential Decree No. XX of XXXX" that should be used instead of the gibberish abbreviation most readers would not understand. — Arsonal (talk + contribs) — 10:25, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
 * If we need it at all. Maybe as a reference? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:26, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi there Arsonal (youre always welcome to stalk by the way, :) ) - keep up the good work!  &Crisco - The full english translation of the pres decree I agree should be a reference not a column in an over-repetitious table... If you want a featured list - it is my humble opinion that the english text summaries are vastly important for the non-indonesian reader who would not associate with name only column - with as few columns as possible... specially if they say the same thing for 40x
 * sats 14:41, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Yep, hopefully gonna be done in a couple weeks max. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:42, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Very nice - thats encouraging me to dig into the vaults, so to speak, (thinks  now where did I put that pahlawan nasional book from 1985...  hmmm)  sats 14:46, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That's about halfway through the list... geez, they really went hero-crazy in 1973. Off to bed now. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:16, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
 * So many that they needed two different decrees! SatuSuro, I actually stalk the talk pages of the more prolific WP Indonesia contributors, including you and Merbabu. :) — Arsonal (talk + contribs) — 23:26, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Hehe. Mind you, they had several decrees 1962 and 1963 as well... waiting for the person to die before they were declared a hero. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:27, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Reminder
Just a reminder about this - grateful if you could advise on how to proceed. Prioryman (talk) 09:05, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comments, I've made a significant number of changes which I hope will resolve your concerns. Prioryman (talk) 20:23, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Ponirah Terpidana
Nyttend (talk 16:03, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

FAC
Hello sir, we would like your suggestions on the fac. Featured article candidates/Priyanka Chopra/archive1. Please, review it and represent your thoughts. Thank You. Prashant  ✉  18:40, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I don't think I'll be able to review this. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:21, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Precious again
  questions and good faith

Thank you for getting another Bach cantata to the Main page, the last one for a while. I remember meeting you over Handel's "He was despised", and your approval in good faith after reasonable questions. I had archived "despised" but returned it to my user page, did you know? - You are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:27, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

A year ago, you were the 28th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, it still applies, repeated in br'erly style. Thanks also for missing the photographer, again. I put "Letting go of the past" on top of my talk, for reformation. Update: the last Bach cantata before Lent this year was BWV 22, and He was despised is up for TFA, but not on my user, Reformation is ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:52, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Gerta! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:34, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 18 February 2013

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Thank you
Much appreciated. Roll on more fun and games tomorrow... or today, as it now is! BencherliteTalk 00:00, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
 * No offense to the bird, but with red eyes like that it looks stoned. Cool painting though. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:02, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Well either not many people noticed, or not many people cared to express an opinion either way... Mind you, as I rarely scroll down to see the POTD anyway, I would have missed the TFA/POTD link if I didn't know about it! Look forward to pairing up "our" respective sections in due course again. I'm trying to keep TFAs scheduled at least 14 days ahead, so hopefully we can between us spot any glaring pending clashes or any shuffling that could be done for a good juxtaposition. Cheers, BencherliteTalk 23:38, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

GA review of De Stem des Bloeds
Obviously, you have this on your watchlist, but just in case your watchlist is destroyed by fire, I've done a review of your article. You can read and (hopefully) respond to my comments here. Let me know if anything doesn't make sense. Take care, Moswento talky 17:10, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
 * And replied there. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:58, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK The Hole (Scientology)
DYK:The Hole some WP:UNDUE queries to nom and  ALT3 needs another reviewer --  Senra (talk) 19:35, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
 * And C of E got it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:57, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

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sucking eggs
Looks like you had it subst'ed orignally, then revised it and forgot to subst? Anyway, just a reminder, from someone who doesn't do any real work to someone who does... --Floquenbeam (talk) 00:13, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * D'oh! Thanks. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:24, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * You're a very naughty boy and I'm going to send the Blood eagle team round to see you (warning, don't read if you're of a sensitive disposition or about to have a meal; those Vikings sure knew how to torture their victims....) BencherliteTalk 00:27, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh my. Probably not a link to open with a 7th grade student sitting next to me. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:28, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Wikipedian in Residence
The DYK project (nominate) 08:04, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Sarah Stierch
The DYK project (nominate) 08:05, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

IP vandalism
Hey. The article about me has been vandalized multiple times by the same person. They also sent me an email saying some really nasty things. While that goes with the territory as an article subject, if I was *not* the subject of the article I'd be warning the hell out of this IP. Is there anything we (the community, not me) can do, or do I need to report it to admin noticeboard? Thanks! SarahStierch (talk) 13:40, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Warned once, level 3. If s/he does it again, I don't mind going straight to block. Semi-protect is a no-go as it's only one problem user thusfar. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:44, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Webcite
Hey, I keep seeing rumors that Webcite's about to go under. Do you know anything about this? Trying to figure out if I should keep archiving for now or not. -- Khazar2 (talk) 15:59, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Have you seen the homepage of webcitation.org? &bull; Jesse V.(talk) 16:12, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Dang. No, hadn't been there for a bit. -- Khazar2 (talk) 16:28, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Yep. But we've got a proposal up and running which may help. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:20, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Fettering of discretion in Singapore administrative law
Theoretically you are correct, but the phrase "fetter its discretion" is not exactly common so the meaning of the hook is not easy to comprehend, which is why I think it's unsuitable as a quirky. Gatoclass (talk) 10:05, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, although I'd rather not replace it with something so pedestrian as a "retired" person coming back to work. Michael Jordan (MJ in my edit summamry) did the same thing... although at least he got a movie deal out of it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:52, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Peer review/Mother India/archive1
Thanks for your exhaustive review. Since we are preparing for a FAC soon, please let us know if your comments are addressed. Thanks.
 * More or less done, yes. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:11, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Just for confirmation. :) -- Redtigerxyz Talk 05:25, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

File:Markchapmanmugshot.jpg
Thank you for the message concerning this image's fair use rationale. Are you seriously contending that the image is replaceable? As a long-term incarcerated felon, Mark Chapman would be quite a challenge to obtain a free photo of! The existence of Category:Mug shots seems to imply that this picture is far from exceptional; there seem to be a lot of mug-shots used to illustrate articles on living but incarcerated subjects. I have clarified the image's fair-use rationale, and I do wish to contest this proposed deletion. Please reconsider. --John (talk) 11:33, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't mind putting this one through XFD, although the others are decidedly not entirely pertinent to the article. Photographs of incarcerated persons have been considered replaceable several times, although I can't quote a precedent off the top of my head. I'm remembering a Papuan freedom fighter. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:42, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok. If we could find that it was an FBI mugshot we would be on firmer ground as I believe those files are PD. --John (talk) 12:08, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I think you're right about that, but I doubt the FBI would have been involved in a murder that did not cross state lines. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:11, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Clark Donnelly
Please see my talk page to see the response from the publishers regarding the copyright infringement, the reason for which you slated the Clark Donnelly page for deletion and please reinstate the page including the editing that was done prior to the deletion which have likewise disappeared from my contributions page. Iainsona (talk) 19:46, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank-you for your help in explaining to me how to reverse your deletion of this article. Iainsona (talk) 15:52, 24 February 2013 (UTC)