User talk:Crisco 1492/Archive 37

Brazza's Martin
Thanks for that, image changed  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  07:10, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

October to December 2012 Milhist Peer, A-class and FAC reviews

 * Thanks Rupert! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:44, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Victoria Leigh Soto
I'm still a bit puzzled by your close of that AfD. Since when is "redirect" not a valid outcome of a deletion discussion? This is the first time I've come across that kind of reasoning, and I could not find anything regarding this in the deletion policies, either, so I'd really like some clarification in that regard. --Conti|✉ 10:37, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I've already given an extensive reply here, which you may like to read. In short, the article in question had no chance of being deleted, and as such an AFD (especially one as contentious as that) was essentially moot. If there were clearer lines or one side had substantially worse arguments, a keep or redirect outcome could have been possible. This discussion, however, was pretty much bound to be closed as no consensus. As I said in the close, a redirect discussion on the talk page may be of value. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:42, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, missed that, thanks. Your closing remarks gave me the impression that AfDs in general could never have a "redirect" outcome, and in that case I would have quite strongly disagreed with that. That the consensus for a redirect just wasn't clear enough in this case certainly makes a lot more sense. --Conti|✉ 11:01, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Two (film)
Hello. Recently you have promoted a DYK for Two (1964 film). I am not sure whether it was intentional but neither original ALT or ALT1, which was actually passed, has been promoted. The one in prep3 is with different wordings. Just curious. -  Vivvt  &bull;&#32; ( Talk ) 14:59, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Didn't see the ALT. The original hook had terrible grammar, so I fixed it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:01, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok. So would you like to go with the currently promoted hook or ALT1? -  Vivvt  &bull;&#32; ( Talk ) 15:04, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Either is fine for me. Which do you prefer? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:06, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I prefer ALT1, if you are ok with it. -  Vivvt  &bull;&#32; ( Talk ) 15:08, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the update. -  Vivvt  &bull;&#32; ( Talk ) 15:19, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Kalau Tak Untung
 Harrias  talk 16:02, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK
Could you do a history merge of User:Prioryman/Brown Willy page and talk page into Brown Willy? We are planning on an April 1st DYK. Thanks -- Gilderien Chat&#124;List of good deeds 22:26, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ both article and talk page — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:59, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. May you never experience a Brown Willy effect... Prioryman (talk) 23:13, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Probably won't, unless I make my way to England. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:16, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Vamos A Celebrar
Crisco, I was hoping you could handle this one. The Background section has gone from all quotes after the first two sentences to something better; I'd like you to decide whether it's far enough, as I've hit my limit here. Thanks, and my apologies. If you have time, I was wondering if you could look at the final (Turkey) hook in Prep 4 to gauge whether POV is an issue. And since I'm definitely not welcome there, Template:Did you know nominations/Make the World Move‎, where the Background section is said to be rewritten from the imported version, and I'll let you judge whether the changes are enough. (Yes, I think I'm getting closer to burnout. I'm going to do something else for a while. Many thanks for your patience.) BlueMoonset (talk) 00:36, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Definitely. Have some fun, perhaps write about a quirky topic (there's bullets especially for zombies out there, they may be notable...) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:47, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Will do... but not zombies. I never understood why anyone liked them. I think I'll close the laptop and open a good book. Thanks for everything. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:00, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * That sounds like a good idea. I'm a little out of practice with English lit, though. Pricey here. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:03, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Re the list
You are welcome. I actually forgot that I commented on the FLC, sorry for that.--Dwaipayan (talk) 05:28, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem, I know how it is (especially when I forget to watchlist the darned pages) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:01, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Pengantin Pantai Biru (1983 film)
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:02, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:List of districts and neighborhoods of Los Angeles
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A most deserved award for you!

 * Thanks Dr B. I've been lucky getting sources, I guess. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:43, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Heh, just looking for Lake Rawa Pening which I spotted on google maps, thinking it would be missing, and its decent start class with nice pictures!. Well done!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  15:32, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, one of my few geographic articles. Beautiful place if you get the chance to visit. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:34, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

On red-link lists
I thought general practice and convention was not to have red-links in 'lists'? Only in death does duty end (talk) 15:29, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * It's contextual. Have one to point at me? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:31, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Doesnt matter, think I answered myself with a bit of googling. I was thinking of MOS-Lists which says not to have development lists in mainspace, only project/user. But its not specificying 'lists-as-articles' or 'lists-in-articles' or both. Only in death does duty end (talk) 15:37, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll give you an example, to help you a bit. An article like list of musicians in Indonesia, which can always grow bigger, is by consensus usually limited to blue links only, with red links aggressively removed. A limited list, which is already fixed (like list of films of the Dutch East Indies) can have redlinks (actually, the links were "imposed" on me at FLC) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:40, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, it was prompted by the Devil's Tower Road DYK. The 'notable buildings' section I would describe as a 'list' with 3/5 items redlinked. Admittedly a well sourced and comprehensive in detail list, it just poked something in the back of my brain about redlinks etc. Thanks for clarification. Only in death does duty end (talk) 15:46, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * For that case, I would apply the terms at WP:REDYES as a reviewer, specifically "... only make links that are relevant to the context, but please do create red links to articles you intend to create..." As an article writer, though... you'll find I very rarely create red links. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:50, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Signpost
If I might make a suggestion - Muhammad Mahdi Karim would be an EXCELLENT interviewee for the FPC part of the signpost 2012 in review interviews. He's been producing superb content for years. Adam Cuerden (talk) 18:43, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Great minds think alike — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:37, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Villains in Mighty Morphin Power Rangers
The consensus in this discussion seemed to me to either be keep or no consensus (there was a 7-5-2 split in keep-delete-merge). Please reconsider your close, particularly considering we have a whole category of articles dedicated to such pages.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 02:53, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

I've waited for what feels like a suitable length of time for a response, so I've requested DRV to take another look.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 06:42, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Very classy Ryulong, giving a working man 4 hours to get back to a reply he hasn't even read yet. As I noted at the close, the keep !votes were not based in policy and, per WP:AFD, the process is not a head count. The strength of the !votes matters. For what it's worth, iff the other article is kept I would be glad to give anyone the text from this article to merge. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:44, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * You seemed very quick to respond to others so I was not sure what was going on. My apologies. Also, as I state in the DRV, I'd rather create List of Mighty Morphin Power Rangers characters than merge everything to List of Power Rangers villains.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 12:38, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Usually, but these past few months have found me out of the house a lot more (although getting to the point where I can get published outside Wikipedia, in my chosen areas). The list you suggest is quite possible (although would you have Yellow Ranger / Pink Ranger etc. with their different incarnations, or the specific person?) and I'm surprised it's a redlink. I'd strongly suggest limiting it to main characters, considering the rotating cast at times. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:43, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * It's been a practice to have separate articles for the good guys and bad guys (don't ask why). Also I'd have the list set up to eliminate the standalone pages of Jason, Trini, Billy, etc. (the only problem being when characters appear in more than one differently named season), unless they can be considered notable on their own through the various sources I found that I also posted in the DRV (because you don't need 10k worth of links from google scholar on your talk).— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 12:54, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * LOL, no, I don't. That would be a good idea. The lists for Buffy is another one which confounds me. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:56, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Well that's been ongoing for 16 years and there's a course you can take or something. Plus primetime adult dramas get more coverage than Saturday morning cartoons and their ilk.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 12:58, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * True enough. I've yet to do an article about a fictional character, mostly because the subject area I work in doesn't usually have much coverage of them. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:02, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * It's easier with the Japanese characters as there are 4 monthly publications that talk about them constantly. Old American ones are difficult.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 13:05, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * If only it were that easy... Indonesian characters are nay impossible unless we have specialist publications (I think the titular character of Sitti Nurbaya may be worth her own article, but don't have the sources to back that up) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:11, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Well it helps that my topic area ends up overlapping with the toy market and there are a ton of hobby magazines in Japan.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 13:13, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * . I've done... one Japan-related article, I think. Extermination of Evil. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:25, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

List of unreleased Britney Spears songs
I'm a bit baffled as to why you closed this discussion as a "keep" when there was no policy-based consensus for that course of action. Many of the keep !votes were from users who were bitter that the article was delisted earlier this month, and as such their !votes held no weight to the discussion at all. The first user's !vote stems from WP:ITSUSEFUL for people to understand the artist's career, and shows that he/she didn't bother to look back at User:Richhoncho's analysis of serious sourcing issues such as copyright and WP:SYNTH violations. The WP:PERNOM !vote from the next user is not convincing in the slightest and he/she made no attempt at a decent argument for keeping the article. The next !vote stems from WP:ITSNOTABLE with no real substance, so no weight can be given to that. The last two users' !votes show that they didn't bother to look at the sourcing of the article or the deletion concerns, as the majority of these "sources" were policy and other violations. Overall, I do not think that there was a consensus to "keep" this article, especially because editors failed to address the issue pointed out by User:Richhoncho, which was that the majority of the article's sourcing fails WP:Policy. This is why Afd is not a headcount, but an analysis of the policy-based consensus. Also, the article was delisted from WP:FL for the very reason of dead links being unable to be replaced. "Trying the Wayback Machine to rescue them" is out of the question. Till 08:46, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * If you feel this close was too soon (which is quite possible), I will gladly cancel the close and relist the article's deletion discussion. The only deletion !vote outside of the nomination began with WP:OTHERSTUFF (which is included in the same essay as you link above) and then went to an admittedly well written, but rather inapplicable, discussion of why the sources may not be reliable. Also, note that WP:DEADLINK states: "WP:Verifiability does not require that all information be supported by a working link, nor does it require the source to be published online." — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:52, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I will be content if this discussion is listed back in the logs, thankyou. Till  11:59, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:11, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Excuse me, where exactly do I get the WP:OTHERSTUFF tag from?. Also I note the importance of WP:LINKVIO to WP Cheers. --Richhoncho (talk) 12:34, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * "Per precedent....", in this case WP:OTHERSTUFFWASNUKED. I missed that, thanks. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:35, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Not applicable. I was referring to other AfD decisions, not comparison with other articles, which WP:OTHERSTUFF refers to. Thank you. --Richhoncho (talk) 12:40, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * You do see "was nuked" above, right? i.e. "Other stuff was deleted". Articles should be looked at on a case-by-case bias unless there are firm policies one way or another. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:44, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Serangan Fajar
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Template:Did you know nominations/René Vautier
Crisco, I've almost selected this a couple of times, but there's that "expansion needed" template on the Filmography section (which lists seven or eight films). Is this a problem? The article was created with the template.

Does the template preclude DYK promotion? If so, should it be temporarily removed while the article finishes its DYK journey? Thanks for any thoughts on this: the rules deal with unexpanded sections, but not with sections that have some material but need more. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:16, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd temporarily remove it (and have done so). The DYK rules say the article should look reasonably complete, so I think having tags like that are theoretically capable of stopping a promotion. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:11, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

by whom sarkis torosyan
"by whom" is fixed for sarkis torosyan. Proudbolsahye (talk) 07:13, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Reviewer needed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Hagop_Vahram_%C3%87er%C3%A7iyan

Is it possible for you to review this DYK please?Proudbolsahye (talk) 07:51, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Perhaps if I have an article to nominate. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:55, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

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Template:Did you know nominations/Z Densetsu: Owarinaki Kakumei
Could you please reconsider your vote here: Template:Did you know nominations/Z Densetsu: Owarinaki Kakumei. I wanted to write something meaningful, but I couldn't find a good source. I also asked here (towards the end of the discussion) and hoped that the editor would help. Cause he added some sentences about the tokusatsu genre to the article about Momoiro Clover Z, so I thought he knew. But he didn't seem to understand me. I will just write something about transformation belts now. --Moscow Connection (talk) 15:38, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

I've added a sentence. --Moscow Connection (talk) 15:58, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I only put the symbol because of the lack of a response. You seem to be discussing it well with the reviewer. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:25, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Fatima 1938 film review...
has started Template:Did you know nominations/Fatima (1938 film) --Tito Dutta (talk) 18:10, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, replied there. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:23, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Mit Gas
Since I added and then stroke out ALT1, I wonder if I can still promote the original hook. I promoted two other articles lately, as I'm still learning how to promote the right way. --George Ho (talk) 20:26, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Probably not a good idea. Bluemoonset will get it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:21, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Committee invitation
Hi, I would like to invite you to apply to join the IEG Advisory Committee on Meta. --Pine✉ 09:28, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry Pine, but after seeing several of my Wikifriends schedules after getting involved in Chapter work I don't think I could dedicate enough time and energy — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:33, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I completely understand. Thank you for your lightning fast reply! --Pine✉ 09:38, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Heh, you're welcome (bad habit: watchlisting while translating short stories) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:43, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Open Hearts
Hello Mr. Admin 8)) please help me to move Open Hearts (2002 film) to Open Hearts. Disambiguation is no longer needed as there's no other article with the same title. Thanks. Bluesatellite (talk) 12:06, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:54, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Copyedit for Pikoo
Hi. You had tagged the article for copyedit. Another editor had recently did some copyedit. Would you get a chance to take a look at the article and let me know if it still has problem? This is holding the DYK. - <span style="font:italic bold 12px/30px Georgia, serif"> Vivvt  &bull;&#32; ( Talk ) 00:17, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Tolong arsipkan ke WebCite
Kak, aku mau bikin artikel Muda Mahendrawan, seorang bupati di Kalbar. Maka, bisa nggak kakak arsipkan ini ke WebCite. Kan, aku nggak bisa bikin akun di sana karena masalah yg tempo hari aku pernah kasih tahu. -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 03:33, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Saya malah tidak bisa buka sama sekali. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:53, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK: no queue; one prep
Crisco, I've just filled up a prep set (it had two hooks in it), so it can be checked and promoted at any time. That time does need to be soon—despite the midnight set being posted two hours late, apparently because of a similar lack of queue (or prep), the bot will try to promote in just under three hours (and complain in under an hour).

I'm busy this weekend, so I won't be able to make up any more sets for about 24 hours, and maybe not even then. I hope some people are around to take up the slack. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:54, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright, promotion done. I'll try and prepare some preps again tonight — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:58, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Foreign workers in Saudi Arabia
The DYK project (nominate) 09:47, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Haha sob sob
I seem to have been inflicted upon by a madman bot when simply creating a new sub-article from jakata Flooding in Jakarta a horrible dirty article about an even more horrible subject - it would be very useful if someone not editing like self to revert such a crazy bot infliction... maybe your eagle eye an identify why such a stupid occurrence eventuates from simply cutting a mess from jakarta is transported like flotsam and jetsam to a new artcle... cheers SatuSuro 07:52, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Removed. You had it right on the talk page. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:49, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that, appreciate that SatuSuro 13:37, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

RE:Signpost Question
Yeah I think I can write up a small commentary. But I have two questions: When does it need to be done and where do I write it at? GamerPro64 02:26, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I think you should ask too. He was a delegate until late december when he resigned. —  ΛΧΣ  21  02:47, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Was that last one directed towards me or Hahc? GamerPro64  02:57, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
 * D'oh! Good point Hahc, but I think two should be enough — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:01, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay :) — ΛΧΣ  21  03:02, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
 * At least the dead animal wasn't used as a marketing campaign like what they did for God of War II. GamerPro64  03:44, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok. I have made by contribution to the interview. If there's anything that needs changing let me know. GamerPro64  04:09, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah that was unintentional Brown nosing. Though I will admit it was the first topic to come at the top of my head so it did leave an impression on me. GamerPro64  04:20, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Versi Indonesia
hai Crisco. bulan lalu saya berdiskusi dengan Anda mengenai pembuatan pula artikel Terang Boelan yang ada di WBI agar juga bisa jadi AP disana. kalo gitu sekarang saya mau tanya, Anda punya tidak hasil mentah bahasa Indonesianya sebelum akhirnya Anda terjemahkan jadi bahasa Inggris (mengingat sumber tulisannya berasal dari bahasa Indonesia & biasanya sebelum diterjemahkan dirangkai dahulu dalam bahasa aslinya) Makasih --Erik Fastman (talk) 05:03, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Saya rangkai langsung ke dalam bahasa Inggris, jadi tidak pegang. Barangkali minggu ini saya sempat menerjemahkan artikel tersebut, mumpung kuliah sedang libur. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:20, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Fatima (1938 film)
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Coin
I realized I uploaded the wrong coin to replace the blurry one. Fortunately, I had one image left of the right one, and I've changed it. I'd be grateful if you could take care of the surroundings. It looks very nice the way you've done it and I'm sorry for wasting your time on the wrong coin.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:51, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll try and have a go later. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:55, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Tolong
Kak, sy merintis artikel Lim Bak Meng dalam User:Adi.akbartauhidin/sandbox dan tolong juga perbaiki tata bahasanya. Maaf merepotkan, tapi sy punya satu perminataan lagi, DYK-nya tlg diajukan seperti DYK A.A. Hamidhan dan Oevaang Oeray. -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 09:50, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Nanti, mungkin, kalau sempat — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:03, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK
See. Till 10:48, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I watchlisted the page, don't worry — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:05, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Concerning టంగ్స్టన్ కార్బైడ్
I see you've blocked టంగ్స్టన్ కార్బైడ్ as a sockpuppet of TungstenCarbide. I don't yet see anything on Sockpuppet_investigations/TungstenCarbide and yet he is blocked. He also left a message on my talkpage (just before the block) claiming that I had editwarred and threatened him. diff. Please be aware that I did no such thing. Thank you.-- Auric    talk  12:36, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Have not paid any of his claims heed, no worries. As for the block... per WP:DUCK — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:16, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Re: 1979 Venezuelan motorcycle Grand Prix
Thank you. I just reached home and was a bit upset and when I saw what that user did, I just preferred to do nothing and stay calmed. I do like to avoid unnecessary fights :) — ΛΧΣ  21  01:47, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey crisco. Would you mind giving me a little review of Featured list candidates/Latin Grammy Award for Best Urban Music Album/archive1? Thank you! — ΛΧΣ  21  20:17, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll try and take a look. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:03, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Would you mind checking out Featured list candidates/List of Billboard Social 50 number-one acts/archive1 too? <font face="Arial" size="2em"> —  Statυs  ( talk,  contribs ) 00:26, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * You have to thank Crisco before asking for another review! Thank you Crisco :) —  ΛΧΣ  21  01:18, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * LOL, we'll see. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:08, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Crisco! (I think Hahc wants another reviewer, as he said "Thank you".) <font face="Arial" size="2em"> —  Statυs  ( talk,  contribs ) 03:52, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, he's got one already so... ;) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:20, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Darah dan Doa
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Busy busy
You've been busy, haven't you? :-) Thought you might be interested in File:DYK hook numbers Mar 12 - Jan 13.png... Prioryman (talk) 08:20, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Wow, look at that spike! Shame I couldn't keep the numbers up after going back to school — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:23, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

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Wikipedia front page shows an old revision of the DYK section
I've already posted about this at Wikipedia talk:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive 10 and Main Page/Errors. I don't know who else to notifty, but I think the DYK shouldn't be updated until the problem is solved. It's also being discussed here: Village pump (technical). --Moscow Connection (talk) 04:35, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

I was pointed to the right place to discuss the problem, so I've started a thread here: Wikipedia talk:Did you know. --Moscow Connection (talk) 04:49, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright. I'm not very keen on the technical side so I couldn't have helped you much (especially if it's a server problem) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:14, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK for The Mirror Never Lies
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Template:Did you know nominations/Saraba, Itoshiki Kanashimitachi yo
Crisco, I was wondering whether you could take a look at this one, which seems to have gotten itself tied into knots over the hook. (So far as I can tell, there aren't issues with the article itself.) It would be nice if someone with long DYK experience could weigh in. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 13:59, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I probably haven't helped too much (sorry!) but none of the hooks looked particularly attractive, so I suggested a new one. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:26, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks: it really needed new eyes and a new opinion. The nom's still up for re-review in my "old articles" post on WT:DYK, and with luck someone will stop by. Glad to see you're assembling a new prep set; I've just filled the final hole in the first one. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:53, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I'll be following the song nom — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:04, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Three-dollar piece
It's pretty much done. I need to polish it and then I'll start the review process rolling. I tried not to overload on the images although I have plenty. There's not much written on the coin.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:06, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Not much, eh? Solid piece. I'll try and get on the images later (going to work now). Do you mind if I nom for DYK? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:07, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Max Tera
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:03, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Did You Know Nomination for Henning Hauger
Hi Crisco 1492,

Could you have a look at the hook for this DYK nomination? I am currently reviewing this nomination for DYK, though I am a little hesitant to pass it because I feel that the hook may give the reader an inaccurate impression about the subject at hand. I would appreciate it you can give your opinion on this nomination. Happy editing!--Lionratz (talk) 02:19, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Replied there. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:18, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

RE: RevDel
I think next time, you should revdelete any edits between when the PA was made and when it was redacted. Otherwise anyone can see what was added, although not in a diff. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:07, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * It wasn't my intention to revdel the edit itself, just the edit summary. The edits themselves are offensive, but not mind-numbingly horrifying, and I'm a supporter of transparency first. I just wanted to get the edit summary off of the history page. Thanks for letting me know, though! :) m.o.p  09:11, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright, I hadn't checked the summary (had assumed it was the edit itself). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:15, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The edit summary was just another personal attack; didn't want it surprising dirtying up the History page. Thank you for following up, though - the overworked student in me definitely appreciates it. m.o.p  09:19, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, I know how that feels... although thankfully I'm on break now. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:20, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Re: Signpost question
Hey, not sure where you wanted me to respond so I'll post my Signpost bit here.

It was with great difficulty that I tried to narrow down all of the Featured List promotions of the year down to a bare few, and in the end rather than just one I came up with four that I found particularly interesting in their subject matter and impressive in their construction. These are: List of Olympic medalists in art competitions, for capturing a realm of competition I think most people do not know existed; List of chronometers on HMS Beagle, for a fascinating deep dive into a niche area that was of great importance at the time; List of battlecruisers, as one of the capstones of the incredibly massive and long-running Operation Majestic Titan project; and my personal favorite for the year, Timeline of the far future, for the sheer scope of the far-flung events it covers.

-- Pres N  23:55, 24 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I'll come back here tomorrow (hopefully) with a blurb for Signpost. I need some time to go through the FLC archives and refresh my memory. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 01:36, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright, thanks both. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:02, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Okay, here goes nothing...

Many high-quality lists came through the featured list process in 2012, and I had the opportunity to review many of them. My personal favorite among 2012's promotions is Boden Professor of Sanskrit, a unique list on a University of Oxford position. The list is not one of the longest to be promoted last year, but the research behind it is impeccable and the backstory behind the creation of the position is interesting even to those who know nothing about the Sanskrit language, like myself. In addition, the work on this list led directly to the creation of a spin-off article that achieved featured article status. Boden Professor of Sanskrit shows that featured lists can be every bit as well-researched as longer articles, and that lists can be more than just a bunch of data-filled tables.

Giants2008 ( Talk ) 03:48, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks both, added to the article. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:24, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK prep to queue promotion needed in next 75 minutes
We've got another case of empty queues and a full prep waiting for promotion... though, some to think of it, it's your set, isn't it. Hmm. I've just finished a prep set myself, but I built it with hooks that are more appropriately run at the expected time (16:00 UTC; daytime in the US and Canada, with late afternoon in Europe). At any rate, it's (past) time for me to call it a night, so the prep set after the one I finished is someone else's to deal with. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:42, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah it was, but thanks for pinging me. Done. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:47, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for doing it; I'm happy to have done the ping. (No, not asleep yet. Had to sort through something I forgot to do before I could retire.) BlueMoonset (talk) 07:12, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright, I had wanted to do a set this morning but then my connection timed out... I'll try and do something tonight. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:47, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry I wasn't quick enough and we nearly just collided—and also that I turfed out the final P1 hook for a QPQ issue so soon before the whole set would have been promoted. Hadn't realized the set was up against the gun. Thanks for fixing things, and I'll reduce the number of bios in P1 in a moment (there are five). BlueMoonset (talk) 23:56, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, at least you were paying attention... better than a lot of us can say. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:57, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

FYI
Started the GA review. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 16:20, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * K, thanks for the ping — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:46, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

suharto
I give up on the ips - they are so belligerently insistent on adding things as to be just had to add this bit, and um ere this bit wtf - is this an online encyclopedia or what? sats 02:25, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Last night, eh? I'm waiting for this to settle down before taking an axe to it. Like at Sudirman, some context is necessary, but too much is too much — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:16, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Suharto&curid=217513&action=history - I mean look at it - 2 separate number ips doing the same thing - is it a sock...., is it a bird..., no its...,  (fill in the space i suppose)  settle down ?, nah you have it wrong sir, the narrative continuity is lacking... it needs just another mention of the crisis in... (fill in space again).. sats 14:27, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
 * This is okay, and an edit I'd do myself. This was just overload and I've reverted it. Our friends are geolocating from Britain, Japan, and Jakarta so I think it's either being rerouted or there are friends working together.15:45, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

FYI regarding a DYK
I hope it's okay, but since the DYK nomination got a little messed up and the bot missed the credit, I added the dyktalk template to Talk:Nycticebus bancanus and Talk:Nycticebus borneanus. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.3em; font-family: fantasy, cursive, Serif">– Maky  « talk » 22:14, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh my, the DYKmake credits must have been forgotten when merging the noms. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:04, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Please remove a DYK from prep 4
John le Fucker is an April Fool's item - could you please take it out of prep 4 ASAP? Prioryman (talk) 00:39, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * You should note that it's an April Fool's item on the nomination page next time. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:39, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

The King and I is at FAC
Hi, Crisco. The King and I has been nominated for FAC. I see that you have reviewed FACs in the performing arts area before. It would be great if you could take a look at the article and give comments at the FAC. Thanks for any time you could spare! -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:28, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll see what I can do tonight. I've gotta work right now — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:03, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Need another third opinion
Hi there Crisco, thanks for your help with Template:Did you know nominations/Henning Hauger. I was wondering if you could help out on another nomination aswell. I bumped into Template:Did you know nominations/List of notable visitors to Tsitsernakaberd, when building a prep-set, and could not promote it as the hook wasn't written in the article and backed up by a reliable source. So basically, I have been trying to get him to propose another hook, while the nominator ignores my review and puts the, to get another reviewer along. I orIginally wanted to find another hook, but I find it hard to help a guy who have a somewhat aggresive tone against me. What do you think I should do with the nomination? Mentoz86 (talk) 08:41, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Replied there (which you've noted) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:42, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Ratna Moetoe Manikam
Hello! Your submission of Ratna Moetoe Manikam at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Rosiestep (talk) 21:21, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Enam Djam di Jogja
The DYK project (nominate) 08:03, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Herman Frederik Carel ten Kate (artist), Herman Frederik Carel ten Kate (anthropologist)
Crisco, can you let me know if I'm offbase here or not? The two-article submission had two QPQs submitted with it, both by Nvvchar. One of them, the Indian one, I recognized: it was an article I had considered for promotion the other night, but had to reject because it had only 1363 prose characters, among other issues. So I did something I've never done before, and posted a ? icon along with the question of whether QPQ credit should be granted, under the circumstances. (I also had a question about the Idaho rivers list, which while 1583 prose characters, spends a good chunk of that talking about sources and units used in the list table, which seemed to me belonged in a non-prose key of some sort. I've now posted to that article's review as well with a ? icon.)

Oddly enough, I'd just had a fairly new DYK contributor, SagaciousPhil, ask about a similar issue on my talk page: he'd just had one of his reviews (a tick) given a ? by DivaKnockouts, who said that the hook wasn't really accurate and suggested a change to it to make it accurate (adding one key word, as it happens, but it seems to have been a necessary change). The question was whether this addition counted as something for which it's appropriate to claim a QPQ credit. I think it could be, depending on how much checking went into it, though I'd never claim one myself under the circumstances.

Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:09, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * For the first one, I agree with you that Nvvchar should not claim it because it seems (s)he didn't do much looking at the article. For the second one, I'd allow it to be claimed but remind the user to be careful in checking hooks. Everyone here is human (I think, although there are some who claim to worms or raptors or the like), and we can all miss things. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:13, 27 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I appreciate the quick response, and the point-of-view reminder. This is yet another reason why I prefer reviews that state what was checked. (Incidentally, I'm not actually a moon. Not that I ever claimed to be...)
 * Ah, so no setting for you? Good, I'm not a really old shortener either — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:46, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, some prep setting. ;-) Although not any more before bedtime; I think the two hooks I promoted are it. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:19, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'll finish my article and then get to the preps (if Dr Blofeld could read Indonesian, that peak Prioryman pointed out would be 3 times as big...) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:24, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't though hehe! Crisco can you find anything sources for Arbir, I can't.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  23:02, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Doesn't look like an Indonesian word, but I'll see what I can do later. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:39, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Well done on the Darah GA, if you want to work on more let me know.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  22:52, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I will! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:53, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/FBI Cyber Division
Crisco, can I ask you to take a look at this one? I'm really not sure what ought to be done here; are the sourcing issues germane? One way or another, it's been three weeks, and I'd like to get this moving again. If it does need action, please ping Piotrus on his talk page, since he doesn't seem to notice developments on his nomination templates. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:22, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Way too many self-references. If Piotrus is asking other people to do the work for him, I don't have high hopes for this nom. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:25, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for looking. I've just checked, and make it 424 characters based on the one secondary source out of 1700+ total, or less than a quarter of the article. Did you want to deliver the bad news? (In a completely unrelated matter, one of the prep areas will need to be promoted within the next five hours... ) BlueMoonset (talk) 02:51, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Done, and looks like someone got the other one. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:39, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. It looks like the bot will be complaining in the next several minutes because it will want yet another queue's worth soon. (Greedy bot!) BlueMoonset (talk) 13:57, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Darn, and here I was stoked about discovering something in an archive that seems to have been lost in time. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:59, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Featured picture of Cranmer
Hi, Crisco. This comment of mine didn't get posted before that subsection on the Talk page was archived:

Thank you, sir! You have single-handedly restored my faith in the admin corps with your kind response. --108.45.72.196 (talk) 17:14, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Sorry I goofed the blurb... it was made in a bit of a hurry. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:48, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Theory of Literature
I haven't forgotten about this. If you're still interested, I can start working my way through it - but I'll be slow. Dunno if you ever opened a PR or not, but if you'd prefer to go that route that would be fine. I had intended to read it eventually but couldn't get to it when you asked earlier. Anyway, let me know your schedule and what works best for you. Truthkeeper (talk) 02:18, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I did and... well, the FAC was a fiasco. I'd like to go through the sources again before you go too in-depth (I may end up having to pare the summary to the bare bones, based on some comments at FAC) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:21, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for remembering though. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:22, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Oops, sorry to hear that. I've missed a lot. Anyway, let me know if/when you want another set of eyes. I'm in a reviewing mood because I'm not writing much at the moment. Truthkeeper (talk) 02:26, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I will, thanks! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:27, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

George Ronan
Hi, Crisco. Ensign George Ronan was killed on the site of what became Chicago on 15 August 1812 during the worldwide conflict of the Napoleonic Wars, which in the USA we call the War of 1812. There is substantial evidence that Ronan was the first graduate of the United States Military Academy to be killed in combat, and editors have gathered citable evidence to this effect. Thanks for taking an interest in this article, and I guess I'm here to ask if you have any more questions, as your earlier questions were good ones.Bigturtle (talk) 03:10, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Saying he was definitely so, without a ref to back it up, is WP:OR and cannot be put on the main page (and shouldn't be in the article). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:37, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Jewish diaspora
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DYK for List of film producers of the Dutch East Indies
Lord Roem ~ (talk) 00:04, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Bantu Proyek
Halo Crisco, saya lihat Anda mengaku bisa bahasa Prancis. Kalo gitu kembangin donk artikel "The Troubles" menjadi FA dengan menerjemahkan isi dari Wikipedia bahasa Perancis: fr:Conflit nord-irlandais

Kalo bisa yang di WBI dikembangkan juga ya. btw yang artikel Terang Boelannya kok baru dibenerin dikit-dikit ? Katanya lagi punya waktu luang banyak. Hayo ngaku. --Erik Fastman (talk) 10:39, 30 January 2013 (UTC) Kalo gitu dikembangkan saja yang ada di Wikipedia bahasa Indonesia: id:Konflik Irlandia Utara --Erik Fastman (talk) 13:11, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Kalau topik "The Troubles" itu jauh terlalu penuh konflik di Wikipedia bahasa Inggris untuk menjadi FA. Terlalu banyak "edit warring". Kalau soal Terang Boelan... kan, harus juga ada niat. Dan lagi tidak ada niat. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:19, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 28 January 2013
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 * Read this Signpost in full
 * Single-page
 * Unsubscribe
 * EdwardsBot (talk) 19:10, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Kamila Andini
Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Photo suggestion
What do you think of as a photo-of-the0-day---I came across it on the German wikipedia and it's one of the best views of ww2 I have ever seen. Rjensen (talk) 03:03, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Rather interesting, but I can't pick it as is. If you want it to go on the main page, it has to pass WP:FPC first. You can see the criteria here. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:18, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Rakoto Frah FAC
I think I've responded to all your comments at the Rakoto Frah FAC. Will you take a look when you have the chance? Thank you. Lemurbaby (talk) 03:27, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the ping, I'd forgotten to go back there. Done. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:25, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

List of Tar Heels
A person has posted a third opinion on the List of Tar Heels in the NFL Draft. Disc Wheel ( Malk  +  Montributions )  12:18, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Did_you_know_nominations/Sandeep_Das
Hi Crisco, I saw that my nomination was rejected. Could you please give me a couple of days to re-phrase the article completely? This is my first wiki contribution and I was not aware of the exact rules regarding close paraphrasing. I understand that somethings need to be reworked upon, but the contents of the article are definitely worth the main page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prachi.chitnis (talk • contribs) 13:57, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I trust Nikki's judgment here. The article needs a thorough scrubbing. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:03, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Request for peer review
Hi! Since you are a veteran in film-related (and many other) featured articles, may I please request you to opine in the peer review of the film Mother India. If you have shortage of time, can you at least read the lead, and see if it is interesting enough (and error-free)? Of course, we'll be elated if you read the whole article and provide feedback. I am particularly worried about the theme section since IMO that lacks a good flow. Thanks a lot in advance. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 00:01, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll see what I can do. Be sure to ping me in a couple days if it seems I've forgotten. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:38, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi! thanks a lot for your effort. We are answering the peer review page gradually. For some points, I will have to refer to Chatterjee book. I have the book, but I may not be able to do it over the weekend. Please continue your peer review, We'll address all the points. Some of my replies need your re-look, as I have posed some questions for your further suggestions. Regards, and again, thanks a lot. Bye the way (just curious), did you find the lead interesting, or at least, not-too-boring?--Dwaipayan (talk) 06:34, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * It was okay, but I'll have to finish reviewing the article before I can give further comments about it. I'm working on my thesis right now, but after I've done that for a couple hours I'll get back to the review. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:36, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Reply about The Signpost and portals

 * Could we structure it more like an interview, as in my most recent prior contribution to The Signpost, Wikipedia Signpost/2012-12-10/WikiProject report? &mdash; Cirt (talk) 17:11, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Replied back at my user talk. :) &mdash; Cirt (talk) 02:03, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I see, no worries whatsoever. :) I left a query back at my user talk. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 05:00, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Hakuna matata and I've watchlisted. Replying there — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:19, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the notification
But you seem to have me confused with another user named Russavia. <font face="Verdana"> Durova 412 01:50, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Not a problem, cheers. Thank you for doing POTD. <font face="Verdana"> Durova  412 02:06, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Question
Hai, kamu berbicara Bahasa Indonesia? Hanya ingin tahu. Bonkers The Clown (Nonsensical Babble) 09:18, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Cause for the record I'm taking it as a Third Language. Not very conversational with it, though. Cheers. Bonkers The Clown  (Nonsensical Babble) 09:18, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Saya cukup lancar, iya. Saya sudah enam tahun tinggal di Indonesia. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:21, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Aplologies, I have yet to hone my comprehension and conversational Indonesian skills to an advanced level. Currently, I speak like how a local child speaks. :P You something something and you something something for six years in Indonesia? Haha, I probably would stick to English for the time being. Tepuk tangan, Bonkers The Clown  (Nonsensical Babble) 09:42, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * LoL. "I'm fluent enough, yes. I've lived in Indonesia for six years now." Interesting language to learn. The grammar is, in its way, both easier and more difficult than English. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:44, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Ikr. And the fact that its a graded subject for me. Anyways cheers Bonkers The Clown  (Nonsensical Babble) 09:48, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that would be a reason to study it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:50, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks! Cheers! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:35, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you!
For improving the Peter Chao page. I see you already have a barnstar, so I thought you might want this to complete your Original Strawberries set. :P Cheers Bonkers The Clown  (Nonsensical Babble) 09:47, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! But "saya" is "I". "Kamu" or "Anda" (the politer one) is "you". (As for strawberry, "stroberi") — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:50, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Kembali, and oh gosh, maaf, I learnt that but forgot. :P Bonkers The Clown  (Nonsensical Babble) 09:53, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Just wait until you find all the synonyms ! ("Saya", "aku", "gue", and "beta" are all fairly common and all mean "I") — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:56, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Only heard of the first two; will take note of the other two. Gee, looks like lots of learning! Cheers Bonkers The Clown  (Nonsensical Babble) 10:01, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, "gue" is very, very slang, while Beta is more common in East Indonesia (but you can find it in titles like Tanah Air Beta — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:05, 2 February 2013 (UTC)