User talk:Daniel Case/Archive 6/30/2008-11/09/2008

Thank you
for help resolving my ban —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.0.144.113 (talk) 22:52, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi Daniel, My name is Meghan Murphy. I'm a reporter for the Times Herald Record (www.recordonline.com). I've long been interested in writing an article about someone who maintains and creates wikipedia articles and I've noticed that you've done quite a few in Montgomery, which is part of the beat that I cover. If you're interested in being the subject of this article and sharing your experience in documenting NYS history, please contact me at mmurphy@th-record.com Thanks! Meghan ```` (I apologize for the bad form of this post, obviously I don't wiki much)

-- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smegmurf (talk • contribs) 18:42, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Learning-Education-Training Systems Interoperability (LETSI) Article, Oct 8, 2008
Hi, Daniel. You deleted an article this morning that I contributed to (LETSI), citing it as an advertisement. I'd like to get your recommendations on improving the article and reinstating it. LETSI is an international technical standards organization; I think it meets notability requirements. It's a regulatory standards body, nonprofit, and has no product to advertise. It should be a part of this constellation of articles: SCORM, Advanced Distributed Learning (ADL), IMS Global, and Aviation Industry Computer-Based Training Committee (AICC).

I have a cached version of the previous article content if you need a copy to refer to.

You can contact me directly via email: dyoung at teamscci.com, or you can leave a note on my talk page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Instrdesign

Thanks,

Dan Young —Preceding unsigned comment added by Instrdesign (talk • contribs) 16:55, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

NPS NHL photo contest
Wow, volume 9 now. About the NPS NHL photo contest, i think you should only submit a couple pics, especially as you'll largely be competing against yourself in the Northeast region. Throw in a submission or two in another region if you can, looking up which states qualify in their rules.

The carousel photo is really very nice, although i wish the people in the pic would have been more animated, or if there woulda been more children and fewer adults prominent, when u look closely. I really know do the pic is nice, i have tried with another carousel, not yet posted, the one in Santa Barbara. And i first got to know Dudemanfellabra because he uploaded a pic about one in mississippi, and hten i went and edited other carousel articles. I can tell you handled several problems, framing it properly with two of the vertical bars on each side, and capturing the full panels above and going all the way down. Also you have the whole thing in focus, i am not sure with a fast exposure on a moving carousel or whether it was stationary. My cameras to date would not do that, and/or i wouldn't get in position, and/or parts would be blurred. I don't know when model release signatures get required, probably not for the people in your pic though. I don't know which of your pics i like best, it would be difficult to pick one. The Elephant House one sticks out in my mind for capturing the NHL so well with the statue or whatever plus the building behind, but maybe others of yours are more striking in an artsy way, like the past NPS NHL winner pics.

But the reason i am here, is to ask if you could fill out your photo credits in the right hand column of WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/PhotoCreditsForNHLsByState, ASAP. This is because I am trying to submit, tomorrow, a nomination of WP:NRHP as meriting a special award in the NPS NHL photo contest. As i mentioned to Dmadeo, they don't have any suitable category, but it is phenomenal that we have created almost all the NHL articles now and produced over 1500 pics, in fact probably over 2/3 the total of NHLs. I thot i might just make a submission, see if they choose to recognize us. To do this, I would really need a new tally of the number of pics we have, by state, and how many are new wikipedian-generated ones. I identified a bunch of yours already, but you could check those and identify the rest of yours faster than i would be able to.

If you can help on this or not, no problem, and your own contest submission is higher priority. I wish you luck in your submission, it would be really great to see you win. I reviewed all of my pics (uploaded and some not yet uploaded) and am afraid i don't have any standouts that could be contenders. Don't miss the postmark deadline tomorrow, if you are postal mailing your submission! Cheers, doncram (talk) 00:11, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


 * hey i don't think we really have any big disagreement. like i note u r very consistent in just putting in year, rather than full date for NRHP date added, which i actually respect.  this is consistent.  push me with a feather.  i just differ mildly.
 * the Ocean drive one is a nice one. :)
 * thanks for agreeing to add ur photo credits. i had just gone, so far, thru i think #75 alphabetically in the NY list. doncram (talk) 02:54, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


 * quick check: I count 1 NHL pic for u in NYC, and 23 in the rest of NY.  Ur double-checking that, quickly would be helpful.  Altho i may have tabulated most of your RI and other contributions, never mind about your contributions in states other than NY, for today, i am focussing on NY alone (executive decision). doncram (talk) 18:59, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Blocked
Thank you for your help in resolving my being blocked issue. 71.141.114.187 (talk) 03:49, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

No thank you
No problem Daniel and I am glad my comments are gone too lol. Neither of us were at our best I fear. I look forward to working with you in the future.Nrswanson (talk) 04:43, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

FYI: User:203.54.191.91
Hello, Daniel Case. I've reverted an edit made by and restored your talk archive #7. I thought you may want to handle the other post made by this IP at Talk:University of Maryland. Just an fyi. Hope this helps. Take care. --PFHLai (talk) 12:00, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism
Hello there, you may recall I was mistakenly blocked from editing the other day, due to suspected vandalism. I'm now asking if you can tell me how one goes about alerting or contacting a Wikipedia administrator of vandalism being done by another editor. Specifically, in this instance, IP 193.120.116.178 (please see my history for my reverts of vandalism by this user done today). As you will see, this user has a long history of vandalism, and I am concerned that this user will continue to vandalize Wikipedia. As such, in the future, I would like to be able to alert an administrator when this activity is taking place, if you can advise me of how to do this.

Further. . . I sent a message to this user stating "I have requested that you be permanently blocked from ever editing Wikipedia pages, due to your destructive and juvenile vandalism of pages. Until such time as you are permanently blocked, I will monitor each and every edit you make, and revert said edits unless you immediately provide verifiable reference source to justify your edits." This user has just left a message on my talk page as follows: My Worthy Foe - I accept your challenge. Give me a few moments and then the games will begin. 193.120.116.178 (talk) 22:20, 2 July 2008 (UTC). Thank you in advance for your reply. 71.141.114.187 (talk) 22:31, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

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Re:Plagiarism remarks at DYK
Hi Daniel, thanks for your response. Doug has been a long-term problem for me, so I apologize if I sounded a bit testy at the DYK page.

Unfortunately, I think we have to look very carefully at every article he creates for plagiarism and other sourcing problems. His first DYK, Dionigi di Borgo San Sepolcro, was blanked for plagiarism/copyvio, then rewritten. I've just been looking at Lithophane, which was on DYK on May 19, and it has significant plagiarism--some sentences are taken verbatim from other webpages, and some sentences are taken from other webpages with only slight rephrasing. Doug clearly thinks that having his articles mentioned on DYK is a feather in his cap--and a guarantee of the article's quality--so I have no doubt he'll be submitting more articles, and they should be carefully vetted.

I do think Doug means well, and he's very enthusiastic about contributing to Wikipedia. Unfortunately, I don't think he understands the problems with the way he writes articles. I have tried to inform him about this in the past, but because I've had extensive conflicts with him in the past, he thinks every criticism I make springs from personal animus. So if someone else could let him know that plagiarism is a serious problem, that might help--but I've found Doug to be extremely resistant to outside input. --Akhilleus (talk) 14:38, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

MyNameIsKyle block
I saw your unblock review: I agree that erasing a decline is not cool, but it seems to me more like inexperience than intentional vandalism. Can we give him another chance?--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:07, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I took it down to 12 (or so) and pointed him toward WP:Introduction before editing again. Thanks!--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:28, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

DYK - FBI Buffalo Field Office
Hi there, I noticed that you reviewed my DYK nom for FBI Buffalo Field Office and was wondering exactly what was wrong with the article that makes it only a "Maybe" for featuring. From what I have gathered the main source that I have used http://buffalo.fbi.gov/ fits Wikipedia's reliable sources criteria because it is published by the U.S. government. Any help fixing up the nom so that I can get it featured on the main page would be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance and All the Best,--Mifter (talk) 16:00, 4 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi again, I have re-directed the first Cite and added a second one, the first one still goes to the page it used to http://buffalo.fbi.gov/specialty_programs.htm, which is the list of the offices two Specialty Program, (There FBI SWAT division and further down the Evidence Response Teams' section) and the second cite that I put in goes to http://buffalo.fbi.gov/investigative_programs.htm which is the complete list of the departments investigative programs. The first cite shows the two Specialty Programs that the Office has and the second shows the over 10 Investigative Programs that the department has, which are the main two points in the DYK.  If you could please look over this and if it now meets the reliability guidelines for DYK could you OK it to appear in one of the next DYK updates?  Thanks again and All the Best, --Mifter (talk) 16:38, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Fourth of July, or bust, Thanks!
I get a chill every time i see a new photo has been uploaded by you! :) doncram (talk) 17:23, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed and well deserved.  Though I usually get a little jealous too since invariably, it's a photo I wanted to take as well :) dm (talk) 17:29, 4 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Please take a look here and join in, or take over some, if u like. doncram (talk) 21:10, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

DVineLash
So it had. The fumes from the cyanoacrylate must have turned my brain. Thanks for the update :) -- Ka renjc 20:50, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

WP:WPTO Newsletter
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Ted C
Ref - Twechar, wiki page. Hi Daniel, I don't know whether you were instrumental in lifting the rangeblock or not , thanx anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ted C (talk • contribs) 18:26, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Emma368
Hi there. I am politely requesting that you protect User talk:Emma368 page from editing. The said user keeps on removing his warning notices from his talk page. Looneyman (talk) 22:35, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

DYK
Could you please clarify exactly what it is I need to quote? I've cited the statement to a reputable journal, in fact that statement is pretty much the thrust of the entire article in that journal. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  00:34, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * This is the abstract, which covers my point. More generally, for bird articles I have to use a lot of books and articles that aren't available online, this is where you find better more reliable sources. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  03:02, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * While I understand the importance of verifiability, and put a lot of effort into finding good sources (including spending a fortune on books and photocopies in the library) I am slightly bewildered when people go way beyond what is required for a traditional referenced work. When I write journal articles (well, I'm doing my first) all that is required is the article information. Unless there is an actual discussion of the paper in question there is no need to duplicate or repeat what the actual text said. (I get similarly annoyed by the requirement to put page numbers when refering to books. If people aren't able to use indexes they are unlikely to be checking references, but I digress). The statement you added it to is hardly controversial. Anyone with Google and the title of the paper cited could check the abstract. And while adding the info to the cite may be admirable if unnecessary, it wasn't required for the purposes of verifiability (and cause to hold up a DYK) and if I were addicted to wikidrama I'd be mildly offended you still refer to it as an allegation in the edit summary. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  04:04, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't even joke! Have a look at my FAs - they are all way way too long as it is. Backing up every cite with a quote? *Shudder*. Seriously, like I said, I agree with verifiability. But punish those who abuse the system, not everyone else. If people cite something that doesn't support, slap them by all means. The rule creep is seriously beginning to suck the fun out of Wikipedia. I'm fast getting to the point where I don't ever want to submit an article to FAC ever again. I'm actually sitting on one at the moment that I could get through, but I just don't feel up to it. If I had to quote every cite like you suggest I promise you I wouldn't and I'd give up FA, GA and DYK like that and just stick to writing articles (and hope that no one noticed me). Sabine's Sunbird  talk  04:52, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Unless I am writing on birds from the Americas all my sources are offline or behind firewalls. Writing the whole article twice (once as text and once as supporting quotes) doesn't appeal. While I agree with some of your points I'm afraid I am still not convinced of the need to quote. Apart from anything else a creative hack could simply make a quote up - it doesn't improve the ability of anyone to check it unless they go to a library or are at uni. I guess I won't be getting many more DYKs.  Sabine's Sunbird   talk  02:14, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Nassau County Museum of Art
Daniel, will try to do tomorrow. I'm still headed back from a wedding out of town and don't have reliable internet access at the moment. Do I have ~ 24 hours or is it a now timing? I can't get the DYK talk to load to see when you nominated Clayton. Let me know and I'll get on this ASAP. Thanks for thinking of me TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 16:19, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Look forward to helping you flesh it out tomorrow. If it's the one I'm thinking of, I've been there and quite enjoyed it. My travels this weekend resulted in a "check for Wikipedia articles and create if necessary." I drove up on the Thruway but came down via routes 21 and 17, and passed many interesting sites. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 23:31, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I did some, but it's not as much as I would have tliked. Far too hectic of a day, filed under "one of those days." I need to track down more on the privatization and gov't issues that followed, but I haven't had the chance yet. I'll look at your other category note when I have a moment. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 19:25, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Please re-review July 3rd DYK entry
Hello! As per your request, I expanded the July 3 DYK entry for Uncommon Friends of the 20th Century. Please re-review this to confirm it makes the grade. Thanks! Ecoleetage (talk) 19:05, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks!



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Hmm
| Was I too quick to judge on these? - Warthog Demon  03:14, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
- for dealing with those unblock requests from the 3RRN area. Glad to know I'm not wrong 100% of the time ;-) Cheers again. Scarian Call me Pat!  05:58, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Quotes from sources
Hello, I was away for the weekend and didn't notice until this morning that you asked for a quote from the source I used for the Greg & Steve DYK. I added it this morning, although I have no idea if it's an accepted format since I've not been asked to add such a thing before. So I can read up on the guideline, can you point me to where we outline our requirement to provide quote from sources we use, and what the formatting standard is? -- Laser brain  (talk)  13:58, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh! I did not know about that parameter.  It is immensely useful, and I thank you for pointing it out.  I often use academic search engines to dig up sources that are hard to verify without library access. -- Laser brain   (talk)  15:28, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Ref
Hi Daniel, Your rate of checking DYKs is impressive. I see you found a blog ref'ed in Edward Oldcorne / Hindlip Hall ... that ref worried me and I found a more reliable one here which confirms that the eye exists ... which is all that I claim in the hook, but I left the blog ref there. Maybe I should have removed the blog ref. Anyway .... if you get a minute then could you confirm that reference number 9 is OK and give it a tick?? Thx anyway Victuallers (talk) 17:41, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Everyother page has
Those shields within the intersection box, what gives by removing the ones I added? --FatChicksNeedLoveToo (talk) 20:12, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

My username has been changed. Just curious why you reverted my edits and not ones on other NY State pages that have shields in intersection boxes. --WoodchuckRevenge (talk) 21:02, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Ah, politics, well ok, thanks for filling me in. >>>WoodchuckRevenge (talk) 22:11, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I like the NY 22 you re-wrote. That's not far from a featured article it looks like. >>>WoodchuckRevenge (talk) 22:14, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I live literally 20 steps north of the Ulster/Orange county line. Those other articles are really nice as well. I used to drive for pleasure a lot more, but with gas prices it's hard to do, but if I'm ever on those routes or others I gather up some pics. >>>WoodchuckRevenge (talk) 23:35, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * And I can't believe NY 32 is on the main page of Wikipedia. It inspired me to sign up and help where I can. I just came on Wiki to check a couple things and to my surprise a road a couple miles from my house was there, haha. >>>WoodchuckRevenge (talk) 23:38, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Sounds good, thanks for the invite! >>>WoodchuckRevenge (talk) 03:44, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Rajim Abdul Achmed Muhammed Ali Akhbar Aurangzeb Rumagin Cohen
Daniel -- as you are probably aware, the username policy contains no prohibition against long usernames. I'm going to remove your note to the guy, all it would do is confuse him, since the username policy won't back you up. Mango juice talk 22:31, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, no, it's not confusing actually, it's made up of names and quite memorable, but if you think it's confusing go ahead and discuss it with the user. Sure, I wouldn't want to type it all out but I never do so for anyone anyway, because even perfectly reasonable usernames can have lots of close variations.  (e.g. User:DanielCase User:Danielcase User:Daniel case User:Daneil Case).  As for the bot, remember the bot doesn't detect bad usernames, it detects usernames that should be looked at.  Certainly, there is a compelling reason to look at very long usernames.  I've seen a number of the form "User:This admin I don't like takes horse cock up the ass" and such, and people do occasionally make complete gibberish usernames long enough to get caught by that.  Admins are expected to use their judgement in response to the bot reports: those names are not thought by anyone to be bad necessarily.  Mango juice talk 22:41, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Rothley
Please explain. Not only is this a notable place in its own right but it has featured heavily in the national media for over a year now. (Please see its 'What links here' entries). Was this an error? Best Wishes Saga City (talk) 11:08, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for prompt reply. Saga City (talk) 14:33, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

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Landmarked building help
I started work on Colonnade Row after walking past it this morning and realising it had no wiki article. I know you work mainly on NRHP and while I find no evidence its on the Register, I think landmarked buildings have some of the same issues. I'm still working on it, although about to go offline now, but I was wondering if you had any input? I want to find more on the history of the row. Luckily a lot of NY Times from the late 19th and early 20th centuries are free. Is there anything else that needs to be included that you can think of? No rush, I'm thinking DYK but I just started it so we basically have 5 days. Thanks for any help. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 00:32, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I know what the Wiki article says but it appears that the Landmarks Commission disagrees with regard to its landmark status. Specifically footnote 4 in the linked document which says, "4. Of the original nine houses, Nos. 428-434 are extant and are designated New York City Landmarks and this map, which appears to be lacking a key but I believe "20" is the Row. This site has links to the landmarks report which appear reliable and acurate. Appears as if it was nominated for the National Register. It lasted ~2 hrs so has avoided NPP, woohoo. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 03:39, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I don't get it. I'm guessing age as some of the same designated as part of the inaugural crop are "missing" as well. That and the city's website has never been the epitome of functionality. I'm going to play around with it a bit more today and then go take a photo Friday when I'm back down that way. It's fun, if nothing else. I swear my favorite articles to work on are those that are utterly random. Thanks for your help. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 13:15, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * One more and I'm going away, according to this, it is on the national register under the LaGrange Terrace name. See also here. Whatever it is or isn't, I think it's notable :) TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 14:50, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your help! I'm having a devil of a time figuring out what name the article should be under, although Colonnade Row gets a lot more relevant hits (in terms of info quality, not number necessarily) than LaGrange. I think that's the "media name" now due in part to its sign, which was what caught my attention yesterday. I found a lot more information and am working on it now. I think the LaGrange redirect is a good one, it can be moved later if necessary. Thanks again! TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 15:49, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your help here, it's one of my two non-museum DYKs. I'm branching out, slowly. I took some Rockland County photos for you, but had some sun issues so the pics weren't the quality I'd want for an article. Will try again. TCari My travels 01:27, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Adams Avenue Parkway - DYK
Daniel -- I know that according to the guidelines on DYK, it says that articles should be 1500 characters, I have expanded it to about 1050 currently, and was wondering if you could re-review the hook, and possibly comment on it? The original DYK person slapped it with a no image, and I don't think planned on going back to the hook. Thanks~ -- Admrb♉ltz (t • c • [ log]) 04:47, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Cedarmere-Clayton Estates; Nassau County Museum of Art DYKs

 * Congrats! Sorry I didn't get the chance to help more TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 13:16, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

one that I thnk you'll know well
Roscoe Diner! That needed an article, couldn't believe there wasn't one. Now I can because there isn't nearly as much from reliable sources about the diner as what we all "know" from driving through. I think I can find some more, I hope. :) TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 14:21, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

DYK quotation requirement
Hello Daniel. We need to formally finalize the DYK quotation requirement. I added a proposal at Proposal: DYK quotation requirement for inaccessible Internet sources. Please post your thoughts there. Thanks. GregManninLB (talk) 15:33, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

July 3 on DYK
Hate to bother you, but while you are checking hooks, there are three on July 3rd that need a yes or no. Two are mine, and another I shouldn't rate as I did an alt hook for it. Thanks.-- Bedford Pray  03:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
thank you for shutting a banned user up. Darth Anne Jaclyn Sincoff (talk) 16:56, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

User talk:86.134.54.54
You reviewed one of this user's other unblock requests, so I figure I should keep you in the loop about this. I've briefly discussed things with the user, and am actually leaning toward unblocking, but don't want to take unilateral action. Since many of the involved users seem to have gone offline since the block was made, I've opted to take the matter to Administrators' noticeboard. Any comment would be appreciated, if you're up for it. – Luna Santin  (talk) 21:26, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Probably moot; block's expired by now. – Luna Santin  (talk) 01:33, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Marine debris GA review
Hi, Daniel. Firstly, I'd like to thank you for taking the time to do such a thorough review of the article marine debris. While a slight downer that it didn't make it (it wasn't even worthy of B-class!), I feel the article is now sufficiently improved to achieve B-class, or even GA, as all of your initial qualms have since been fixed. If you could offer any further guidance before I try for re-nomination, that'd be very helpful :) thanks again — Jack (talk) 00:34, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for allowing and updating the Neversink Valley Area Museum reference.216.6.162.65 (talk) 02:00, 12 July 2008 (UTC)Steve

Please undo your block on User:Chirundu
Given that there is an AFD and the comment is "can't prove notoriety claims", your blocking of this account is unfair. Please can you undo the block so that they can try to fix up the article and make attempts to assert notoriety. See. Also, why do you suggest that they were spamming? The article looks genuine to me. Myrrideon (talk) 06:11, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

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NY 32 troubles
Route 32 may be FARC'd if you continue to delete shields from it. The better idea is to leave them in for the better for the both of us, or we'll end up losing a FAC. Please, just leave them in, FAC or not. Its all we can do, because shields are now USRD standard.Mitch32(UP) 23:38, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Park Avenue Tunnel vs Murray Hill Tunnel
You had previously participated in a discussion about the naming of these articles. It's being discussed again at Talk:Park Avenue Tunnel if you'd like to comment. DMacks (talk) 05:38, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Rollosmokes banning
I see you have responded to a unblock request from Rollosmokes. I made a comment regarding Rollosmokes's banning on his talk page given that an unblock request would be made on his talk page. I though bringing in other event that he disgarding any attempt to compromise and lack of civility, etc. He has since deleted as "deleted unhelpful, piling-on comment from Spshu". He is permanently blocked so I feel it is relavent to any attempt to unblock him. Where else can I post this information so any administrator can find this with out him deleting it? Spshu (talk) 16:09, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

St. Josaphat's Roman Catholic Church
Thanks for the nod on St. Josaphat's Roman Catholic Church. I actually wasn't aware of the naming conventions, so I'm glad you pointed it out. The "complex" did seem odd & unnecessary, but I was just slavishly following the NRHP title. :) Andrew Jameson (talk) 19:48, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Replaceable fair use Image:Streep_and_Frankel_shooting_DWP.jpg
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Levy-Neafie House
Don't have any more info on this place do you? It says it's on some National Register or another but I've been unable to locate it. Gatoclass (talk) 10:07, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, okay, that probably explains why I couldn't find any more on it. Never mind, I'll just use what I've got. Thanks for the explanation :) Gatoclass (talk) 10:26, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Pine Hill (Barnstable County, Massachusetts)

 * Apologies for the slight error I introduced in the hook last night. I tried to rewrite the hook to make it a little more elegant and in doing so it seemed appropriate to name both counties for balance. Then I noticed that one of them wasn't a county, but a town. Unfortunately at that stage I didn't have time to do any more editing and decided that close enough would have to be good enough. Putting the update together - which was already overdue when I started it - already made for a very late night, if I'd spent any more time on it I would practically have been going to bed at dawn. Usually I would spend more time getting things right, but the time just wasn't there last night. Fortunately you were around to see the mistake and fix it. Gatoclass (talk) 02:02, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Three images from The Devil Wears Prada
Could you go into some detail about how, exactly, you believe those pictures are replaceable, given that they all had rationales noting that they were production stills, illustrated and greatly enhanced the adjacent text in the article, were of an irrepeatable event (the production of the movie), and were within the informal limit of four fair-use images allowed in most articles about television or movie productions? (Two of them had bad backlinks because of a recent move, but that's been fixed). Daniel Case (talk) 09:33, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Before you say it could be done with text, consider also that The Devil Wears Prada is a movie about fashion, a very visual art form. It helps to have pictures for readers, especially those not familiar with what a particular designer's clothes look like to be able to visualize what that would look like from mere text (which is most of them). I might be willing to agree with you that having more than one picture of Meryl Streep in costume is too much (I'd prefer, then, to keep the one of her with Patricia Field). I've trimmed a lot of the fair use images from this article recently with the intention of taking it to FAC; I don't see why I should have to get rid of all of them, especially given the subject. Daniel Case (talk) 09:56, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The two Meryl Streep pictures don't focus on her costuming, they focus on her working with the director and the costume designer. Having a picture of that doesn't give much greater understanding than just text. I may have been a bit hasty to tag the Emily Blunt shot along with them. Part of the fair use rules is minimalism, one image rather than two if one satisfactory image is available. Now I haven't seen the movie (everyone keeps telling me to, will get to it eventually), but surely there's a scene where Meryl Streep and Emily Blunt's characters are together in the same frame and wearing those costumes? Melesse (talk) 19:28, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * it isn't often we have stills of people from either side of the camera working together in a movie and, I think, it's one thing to read it in the accompanying text but another to actually see it I still don't really see how a picture gives any better understanding than text. And if free images are available, you have to use them instead, even if they're not as nice. Be careful with stuff from Flickr though, some people on there lie and steal. Melesse (talk) 03:45, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Beg to differ!
Hi, FYI via an effective rv...

I see no sense to break up some category that is large because it's accurately describing something REALLY large... with resorting to artifical and likely deceptive artificial subdivisions outside normal categorization schemas.

Other than that when editing categories, note that commoncats replaces both commons cat (and several others of similar names and function) AND catmore. Best regards // Fra nkB 17:23, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) plus can informationally link upto two other articles AND two other categories using parameters 2A=, 3A=, 2C=, or 3C=.
 * 2) If the article pagename doesn't match the category's,  or 1A= can be specified.
 * 3) If the Article name is fine, but the commons category name is slightly different, * still defaults to  like  and one can specify the commons category using  or 1C=name.

Just because it's a big thing in real life doesn't mean the category has to be so damn big and indiscriminate. It's getting hard to find things in that mess.

I broke up and  when they started getting to the same size, along topical lines that mirror those used for state-level cats. As it is, all the separate communities, incorporated or not, could easily be grouped into a "Communities" subcategory like I made for the other two counties. I have separated RHP categories for Orange and Ulster because is getting too big, even with all the NYC listings in a separate category. (And one could and should easily be created for Westchester. I just don't do that many Westchester-themed articles, so it lacks urgency). See also, similarly subdivided by Noroton.

What that category really needs is some sensible subcategorization ... it looks like nobody gave it much thought (why on earth would "Burials at Gate of Heaven Cemetery" need to be at the next level under the county?) or, more likely, different users at different times just added things as they thought necessary. Daniel Case (talk) 17:55, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks... chaulk it up to differences in philosophy. I'm tending these days to bigger more consistent categories and damn the length. Made a VPP or category talk post on that as a reply to someone earlier in the month asking about why our categories were so different than the German wikipedia, but damn if I can find it... shrug. Have fun // Fra nkB 22:08, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

User:202.153.69.141
Can you block this user? This user has been warned not to vandalize, but did it anyway. Check out this user's talk page. Footballfan190 (talk) 03:17, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

re: Art museums in NYC cat
Wow! Thanks for that. I need to do some serious clean-up once I'm settled in my new place. I'm throughly flummoxed by the image guidelines as evidenced on Colonnade Row but today wen I was out shopping for furnishings I realised how much needs covering. So much for us to do :) TravellingCari  23:52, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Bristol County MA NRHPs
Thanks for fixing my redundant Attleborough station stub and for touching up the photo. Much more vibrant colors now.

The New Bedford articles really look great too. I was just reading about Russell Warren and Linden Place after watching "Traces of the Trade" when I read your excellent New Bedford Historic District article featuring Warren's works. The New Bedford photos look great too. I guess the Fall River list should eventually be split off as it is quite lengthy. Swampyank (talk) 01:52, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

I was thinking the same myself, along with Taunton that has over 100 entires too. I like the district map done for New Bedford Historic district. It's sometimes tough to figure out exactly where the districts lie. Fall River has at least 3 districts that I am not sure where the boundaries are (Downtown, Highland and Lower Highland). --Marcbela (talk) 13:00, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

DYK
Many thanks for the DYK for the 1st Canadian Parachute Battalion Jim Sweeney (talk) 15:16, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thank you for blocking that I.P., another admin blocked the other I.P. he was using and I requested protection for those two pages he was vandalising. Once again, thank you! -- Eric (mailbox)  22:47, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Re
Awe that makes sense now Gnevin (talk) 02:11, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

NRHP infoboxes
Daniel, since you write a lot of NRHP articles, your opinion at this thread would be appreciated. Gatoclass (talk) 04:43, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

DYK update and archiving
Hi, Daniel. Thanks for all your hard work. But I've noticed that you archive the new set of hooks just promoted to the front page, but, as it is stated here, the previous set of hooks should be copied to the archive, not the new one. The reason for this is that revisions are quite often made to the hooks after update and it is best to archive the final version. Thanks. --BorgQueen (talk) 07:24, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes. I've found that the DYK work is a pretty tedious and demanding job. I wonder if some parts of the work can be automated by using a bot or two. I recall there have been discussions on this issue but nothing much came out of them, I think. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:07, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

I thought you quit
Comments like this are not necessary. People at DYK have made it abundantly clear they would rather engage in target practice on the messenger than clean up DYK. I got that message already without any of you having to be vicious about it again and again. Cut it out. --Blechnic (talk) 19:57, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not writing articles. I'm not editing in my area.  Even if I were or even if I had quit it doesn't make your message nice--just provocative.  --Blechnic (talk) 01:52, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

"ChristianityMeansFreedom" is a "profane, disruptive, or otherwise inappropriate" user name?
How do you figure? 67.135.49.186 (talk) 04:08, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * ""Christianity Means Freedom" suggests a promotional agenda to other editors" That's a bit of a stretch, don't you think? 67.135.49.186 (talk) 14:56, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

No, it wasn't my account. I was just curious. 67.135.49.186 (talk) 15:11, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Ding dong
WP:ANI seicer | talk  | contribs  02:30, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

About your IP block
Could you please explain the reasoning behind the indef-block of this IP? By the by, I've also requested some community input at WP:AN/I. -Jéské (v^_^v Mrrph-mph!) 02:32, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Image:Balmy Alley Mission SF2.jpg
Daniel, can you please explain your thinking about this being a non-free image? The murals in the Mission are public art Balmy Alley. No one commissioned them, no one owns them, and they have no commercial value. Taking a picture of a mural in Balmy Alley is like taking a picture of a Hopi sandstone hieroglyphic. (Also, please respond here so we can keep the conversation in one place). --Paul (talk) 20:44, 23 July 2008 (UTC)


 * It seems from looking at the bottom left-hand corner that there's a copyright notice on the mural, and a rather recent one at that. Images of copyrighted public art, including murals, are inherently derivative works as the tag I left on the image says (it's still in Precita Eyes, where I could write a rationale for it). Daniel Case (talk) 20:48, 23 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Yep, see this at the Precita Eyes website:

"Q: "What is copyright protection?" A: Federal law protects original works such as murals, paintings, books, music, sculptures, movies, etc. Copyright law gives the artist exclusive rights to: make copies, distribute copies, make derivative works (taking a picture of a mural and then selling it), publicly perform the work, and publicly display the work. Visual artists also receive a separate bundle of rights - the right to get credit for their mural and to determine in what context the mural will appear. As a result, the artist and only the artist, may give you permission to use a reproduction of a mural in your film or publication. Doing so without permission is not only a violation of the law, it is disrespectful to the muralists who work for months creating San Francisco's murals.

Q: "What is the difference between the Golden Gate Bridge and a Mural?" A: A mural is a piece of fine art, for which Congress has granted federal copyright protection. Congress did so to encourage artists to contribute their talent to our culture. By law, artists are entitled to compensation for reproductions of their work. Photos of older architectural structures, like the Golden Gate Bridge, are not protected by copyright law, recently however, even architectural designs have been protected by Congress.

Q: "When does copyright protection begin?" A: The copyright protection in a mural exists from the moment the artist paints the mural; it is then protected by copyright law.

Q: "How may someone other than the artist use the artist's work?" A: In order to use the artist's work, you must get the artist's permission.

Remember: Just because a mural can be seen by the public does not mean everyone can use it in any way that they want.

Example: When someone has a flower garden in the front yard, others are not free to pick the flowers, even though the flowers are visible and easily accessible to the public. Similarly, just because a car is parked on the street, it is not public property. Neither are murals.

Q: "May tourists take photos of the murals without permission?" A: Yes, as long as no reproduction for profit is intended. If it is purely for private use, a tourist may take a photo of the mural without permission."

(Emphasis mine)

Public art does not automatically mean public domain art (See also panorama freedom). It's pretty clear from the FAQ that the Precita Eyes people know copyright law well, and so do we. The terms above preclude our use of it as a free image, since it must be free for commercial reuse and they do not grant that right. If some of the muralists want to license their work under free licenses, they can and then we can use the pictures. But not until (You can use externalimage in the meantime). Daniel Case (talk) 20:57, 23 July 2008 (UTC)


 * There is also this:
 * "Example: If a newspaper art critic writes a critique of a mural, then the newspaper could publish a photo of the critiqued mural. Art criticism would be considered fair use. Freelance travel writers who intend to sell articles with mural photos must get permission and pay a license fee."
 * Given that you have reduced the resolution of the image, the example that Precita Eyes gives above, and the fact that the image in the San Francisco article is meant to illustrate generic murals in The Mission neighborhood, it seems clear to me that the use falls under fair use.--Paul (talk) 03:39, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, but ... Wikipedia's policies are stricter than fair use under US law so that we may promote free content. This means that content we publish must wherever possible be free for commercial reuse. The Precita murals are specifically not. Also, the question is, does its use in the San Francisco and Mission District articles comply with FUC #8? Do we really need to have a picture of a single, specific, identifiable mural to make that point about the alley clear to the reader? (It certainly isn't "generic" ... I doubt the muralist would have put a copyright notice on it if they thought it was generic. Perhaps you meant in the sui generis sense? My guess is that a picture like the one on the main Balmy Alley page, in which we see many of the murals from an oblique angle and get a sense of their context, would possibly be uploadable as a free image since it would comply with our limited panorama freedom here in the US, or would definitely be more defensible as fair use since it would go a lot longer to show the alley as a whole and how the murals are laid out. We don't seem to have one like that on Commons (in fact, many of the alley pictures there will have to be deleted as unfree images), but there's this one on Flickr under a CC-BY license that we might be able to use. And this one. Or, if you're in SF, would it be possible to go there and take one? Daniel Case (talk) 05:13, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

DYN non-free image
Oh, I see, apologies for that. I glanced at the full detail of the image but didn't know it could class as non-free. Another lesson learned. Thanks, PeterSymonds (talk)  19:23, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

You've got mail
I'd appreciate your advice after you read it -- thanks, NawlinWiki (talk) 21:11, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

My imposter
Thanks for blocking him/her. I wonder why vandals say that kind of stuff (probably to get decent contributors angry or something). Go figure. (Glacier Wolf is now)  LeiaY  02:00, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the fact that my husband uses his name for a username and says that we are married on his user page wasn't such a smart idea. XD  LeiaY  02:06, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

NRHP category suggestion
Hey! Since you're creating categories like a fiend, how 'bout Category:Archaeological sites on the National Register of Historic Places? Or Category:Archeological sites on the National Register of Historic Places, depending on how one thinks it should best be spelled? Anyways, keep up the good work, doncha know. :) --Ebyabe (talk) 18:19, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I think there are categories like Category:Archaeological sites in Alabama for each state. I suspect that most of these are nrhps, but I don't really know. This should be investigated before creating new categories, IMO.--Appraiser (talk) 18:32, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Return of problematic editor
Greetings, DC. Would you please take a look at 's activity over the last eleven days — since his yearlong vandalism block expired? S/he's been inserting POV and OR, removing valid content, tags, and templates, edit warring and generally making messes for others to clean up. Edit summaries are scarce but the few that exist spuriously claim this editor's edits are aimed at "restoring NPOV". As you can see from the user's talk page, there've been numerous (unheeded) warnings and requests to edit coöperatively. It appears this editor simply waited for his block clock to wind down and immediately returned to some of the problematic behaviour that earned the block in the first place. Can you suggest what might be done? Thanks. —Scheinwerfermann (talk) 00:12, 27 July 2008 (UTC)


 * ¡Aye, caramba! I had my suspicions about, but having just got back from a part of the world that's a 14-hour plane ride away, I hadn't the brainpower to look into it. Glad you caught that, thanks. It's this sort of thing that makes me think I might like to try for adminship. Not sure how an RfA would go for me; I think I have the edit count for it, and I can coherently explain my reasons and positions, and I am ready and willing to talk honestly about my imperfections and missteps. I donno, whatchya think? Your advice and comments would be much appreciated. —Scheinwerfermann (talk) 15:59, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

User now circumventing block?
Hi again. H'mmm...we see this, and then this edit appears in the middle of a fairly large batch of sequential and bizarre edits to my talk page. It seems s/he realised after making the comment that oops, it might not look so good to appear to be deliberately using a different account to circumvent a block. Whatchya think? —Scheinwerfermann (talk) 23:01, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

User now requesting unblock
this looks a lot like hot, steamy ask-the-other-parent action to me, whaddya think? (And, any thoughts on my admin muse above?) —Scheinwerfermann (talk) 00:18, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

RFA thankspam
Thanks for your support in my RFA, which passed with 140 supporting, 11 opposing, and 4 neutral. I will do my best to live up to the trust that you have given to me. If I can ever assist you with anything, just ask.

Cheers!

J.delanoy gabs adds 20:23, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

DYK problem editor
I have asked that the Mesodermochelys article be removed from candidates for DYK. I also think the editor should be banned for some time from DYK until she reconsiders her actions, due to the nature of her edits, having already been accused of plagiarizing, and now purposefully reverting substantive edits to make the edit count for DYK to obtain her count award, and doing this while using personal attacks in edit summaries. See the DYK link for links to further details. I posted this on a couple of user pages, but it should be discussed at DYK or AN/I. --Blechnic (talk) 04:42, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I think a general plan of action should be discussed at DYK, but asking her to not be allowed to continue, even if it is impossible to do this, is a community issue in general. I could be wrong about this. --Blechnic (talk) 05:04, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

USRD Newsletter, Issue 5
Apologies for the late delivery; here is the June edition of the newsletter.


 * Want to help on next month's newsletter? Don't want to receive these in future? Want to change your method of delivery? – It's all here. —Rschen7754bot (talk) 20:42, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

TitleTown USA
Thanks for addressing the AIV report. The AfD is actually still open - the redirect is further questionable editing of that page encouraged by the fact the AfD tag was gone. I'm no expert on this AIV stuff, which is why I filed the report - if you guys don't see fit to act on it, I'll respect that. Townlake (talk) 15:21, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Try to remember
Do you remember any hooks you have suggested for articles you neither created or nominated that you placed on the Next Update for DYK. I don't necessarily mean recently; I mean ever. It would help.-- Bedford Pray  15:24, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I have a case at ArbCom, where people are making a big deal out of a hook I suggested (but not create or nominated the article) being placed by me on the DYK Next Update. I wanted to show that there was precedence for this, but it would be like finding a needle in a haystack to show this.  I don't want you in trouble; far from it.  I just wanted to show what I did was not without precedent.-- Bedford  Pray  15:30, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't see where you placed it on Template:Did you know/Next update‎. If you can think of another example, let me know ASAP.  Thanks.-- Bedford  <sup style="color:pink;">Pray  16:04, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Admin potential
Howdy, DC. You write, inter alia: ''Let me look over your contribution history and see if you would be a worthy candidate. Is there anything in there that you would probably have to explain? (Or another way of putting it: what's your most embarassing moment as a Wikipedian''.

My most embarassing moment as a Wikipedian actually extends over a ten-month period: In September 2007, I got caught up in a quarrel over details of an illustration of a fuel injector, and instead of keeping proper perspective about the relative importance of the topic at hand, I let my mouth run away with me. The other party in the quibble was very unhappy with my choice of language, and made it known in numerous forums and discussions not related to the original, but it wasn't until May of 2008 that I went back and declawed my text. I did so not because my feet were held to the fire or for any other expedient reason, but because I took another look at what I'd written and realised I'd been discourteous and gotten wound up way out of proportion to the details of an illustration of a fuel injector. I'd gotten distracted by the spurious goal of being "right" rather than keeping my focus on the improvement of the image in particular and the project in general.

During those ten months, I did a great deal of explaining how Wikipedia works (and doesn't work) to a lot of new editors, particularly IP-only editors whose enthusiasm for their pet topics outstripped their regard for WP's protocol and standards of information quality — many new editors regard the rules as a bureaucracy for its own sake, for the privileged few to exercise authoritarian control over what can be added and by whom. I found myself explaining tenets, philosophy and principles so often that I put together a participant's guide of sorts on my user page.

As is to be expected, these educational efforts of mine met with mixed results. But I feel the exercise was of great benefit to me in that it drove me to take a hard look at my own contributions and find areas for improvement. One of those is in adherence to it's not what I know, it's what I can document. This is a real toughie for anyone who's enthusiastic and knowledgeable about any given topic, and I'm no exception, but it is absolutely crucial to the quality of this encyclopædia we're building. Another aspect of my contributions I've worked to improve, as I say, is in keeping a civil tone and an appropriate perspective on whatever matter is at hand during discussions. This can get difficult when opinions are passionately held, but it, too, is critical to the success of the project. I think I've probably babbled at enough length here on your talk page, and will be interested to read your thoughts, should you feel like sharing them. —Scheinwerfermann (talk) 15:57, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Please review the activity at Ford FE and at the Dodge Ram article. You will find complaints from many users, IP users and users who want to hide their IP's, that Scheinwerfermann's concept of it's not what I know, it's what I can document crosses the line towards abusive editing.  I personally filed a vandalism complaint against him.  Not being a Wiki-lawyer, it was dismissed out of hand for some scribble I didn't dot.  Whatever.  This guy's talk about seeing the light in May is just about when complaints about his 'style' were peaking.  And then everything got 'archived' or buried under an onslaught of minor edit history.


 * I am biased, this is a biased opinion. Take it for what it's worth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.107.58.130 (talk) 18:57, 1 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Just a friendly reminder: I'm still interested to get your thoughts here. —Scheinwerfermann (talk) 14:04, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Gerald Gonzalez
In regards to your comment about one of his alleged socks:

First, I do not feel inclined to reward such a pathetic outburst of begging. Second, the fact that you and Gerald Gonzales both concentrate on Filipino/a TV stars, and Philippine TV in general, marking almost all your edits as minor even when they aren't, suggests you're the same person.

Besides that, his writing style suggests that Cutie guyx22 is Gerald, as seen here:

"Unblock me please! I am not a Sock Puppet of Gonsales or anything here but Blakegripling ph blocked me without any reason Its really Unfair, Why this happened to me?! Please UNBLOCK me! I'm not a sockpuppet. Also Since I've been a Wikipedian, This User:Blakegripling ph really seems has an angry to me, I dont know why. He keep on helping my Uploaded images to be deleted even if I am really the Photographer of the said photos, I Swear. Now He/She Blocked me in editing without any reasons! I really swear I am not a Sock Puppet of anybody here but he blocked me. Its really Unfair. To all of beloved Admins here, please help me, Lets just be fair! As what Ive seen to Blakegripling's contributions, He also block this user User talk:Marigold2007 as a sock puppet, I Dont think its fair on the direct blocked of us! Its really Unfair. So please teach Blakegripling to be discipline wikipedian and to be open minded on blocking wikipedians. I am not a sock puppet so i expect that i will be Unblock. Thankyou! I'll wait for your reply!"

He seems to have a habit of capitalizing some words when they aren't necessary; I saw his Friendster profile recently, and here's the proof:

As of now,I am a disciplined person and truely its me.I have a big conscience to the people who are in problem,Trials and Troubles.I am lovable to everybody,I'm really lovable I have a unique Heart.I lovw all the people and Idont want to have an enemy I want all friends just to make me happy at all the Times.

Any thoughts on this? God Bless and have a nice day... Blake Gripling (talk) 23:09, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Newburgh, Ny page edit
Hey Daniel, I'm new to wikipedia but I hope I'm learning. Apparently I have a lot of learning to do though as my link led to a baseball player. I did however notice the link above my entry (chris hanson) leads to a punter. Is this lead singer also a punter? Either way, thanks for the message and any advice you give would be greatly appreciated...I really enjoy wikipedia and would love to make a diffrence here. Thanks again,

Jim Richards —Preceding unsigned comment added by JimRichards (talk • contribs) 18:23, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Re: Newburgh article
I lived in newburgh all my life and never heard of Corey Glover being from/living there. And I was a huge Living Colour fan in the 90s. Rob Affuso (Skid Row) is actually from the Village of Wallkill, not newburgh, so good call there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JimRichards (talk • contribs) 19:36, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Mass overcategorization question
Hello Daniel- I found your name on Categories_for_discussion and thought you might be able to advise me. I just noticed that an editor has been mass-creating unnecessary categories and over-categorizing articles with them. I know how to bring up individual categories for deletion discussion, but I'm not sure what you do when someone has unilaterally mass-produced them. He has made many new categories recently with the naming convention Religious organizations established in the  for many decades. He has categorized dozens of abbey articles with them, it seems. I am sure we do not need a category for each decade of abbey construction. In addition, the word organization is inappropriate in any case, as many abbeys can belong to one "religious organization". You will see on the editor's talk page some indication that he has been considered by other editors to be overzealous in his categorization endeavors. A search hereon the word abbey will give you an idea of how many articles this activity affects. Thanks in advance for any advice on how to proceed. -Eric talk 20:59, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Funny you should ask because I have been meaning for some time to bring up the whole slew under as "performer by performance" (College administrators will have many positions in a career; no single one of them should be defining as to merit a Wikipedia category. Miami International University? I mean, really ...). I think you have to go through the process for the first one, then when you add the tag to the subsequent ones it has to link to the original CfD. It explains how to do this somewhere on the page. Daniel Case (talk) 21:37, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


 * It's there. Look under II on the CFD instruction template for groups of categories. If you want help with this, I'll do what I can. (I can see decade categories for the last two or three centuries, where better records are available, but for the Middle Ages? Wouldn't centuries be better?) Daniel Case (talk) 21:40, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! -Eric talk 21:42, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, here goes:
 * Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_August_1
 * Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_August_1 -Eric talk 20:16, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Please re-review DYK on Emilio Scotto
Hello! As per your request, I corrected the July 29 DYK hook for the Emilio Scotto -- I had the wrong reference cited for that sentence. Please re-review and confirm that this makes the grade. Many thanks. Ecoleetage (talk) 04:07, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: 52/311, and other eastern Putnam/Dutchess pics
I don't mind that you switched those images; yours is far more interesting. As for the other images, I look forward to seeing them. I'm no longer active with WP:NYSR, but I'm sure I could use some of the photos in various articles. Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  20:25, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I retired from USRD a whole mostly because of too much drama. They make a huge deal of nothing, and if I disagree with their standards, I get badgered and made to feel useless. I suppose this isn't the place to rant about it, though... Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  20:41, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Tower Hill Water Tower
The hook is mentioned and cited in the lead of the article. Small-town hero (talk) 19:30, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:3500 Club patch.gif)
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DYK Medal
Suprised you apparently haven't been awarded this medal by now, anyhow, the fact that you weren't saved me from having to award you a Working Man's Barnstar, since you already have one of those :) Gatoclass (talk) 07:36, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Juliancolton's 3rd try at RFA
With growing support for this, I am spearheading some ideas for his third try at nominating. We have two total nominators so far, and we believe it would be best if you were the third and final one, since one, you two are good buddies. Also, we believe that your co-nom would be very well deserved. Please reply, this is really important.<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE="-1" COLOR="red">Mitch</FONT>32(UP) 15:48, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

The Barnstar of Diligence
For you dedication to T:TDYK I thought that you deserved this :). Congratulations :), --Mifter (talk) 02:56, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Sigyn and Template talk:Did you know
Hello Daniel, I noticed that you recently failed my entry of Sigyn for July 31. I recently rewrote the article from scratch, as it was previously a bunch of made up nonsense without any reliable resource. Basically, it is a completely new article from scratch. This doesn't count for WP:DYK? bloodofox: (talk) 20:26, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

DYK for 2008 Chino Hills Earthquake
Hello. I nominated 2008 Chino Hills Earthquake for DYK on July 29. Since you're an active editor at DYK, can you check to see if this article meets the criteria? Another editor believes that it does, but he/she needs another editor's opinion to see if it is eligible for DYK or no. Thanks. Must eat worms (talk) 04:35, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Block
Hi, are we sure that User:Kinh Duong Vuong is using the same IP as User:JacquesNguyen? I'd asked User:Blnguyen but haven't heard back. I think he'd have to be pretty dim to have used the same IP again and again and editing the same articles in the same manner, hoping to be undetected? In any case, would you please let me know if the IP evidence does match? I want to make absolutely sure so no injustice is done. Badagnani (talk) 17:51, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, that's why I thought it would be best to check with him before choosing not to unblock. But he hasn't responded to me. Badagnani (talk) 03:28, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Adsit Log Cabin
Hi there, how are you? Quick question -- I started working on what I thought was a historic house museum and it turns out it's on the National Register of Historic Places. I realised when I tried to work with the bare infobox that I wasn't sure exactly what needed doing, or where to get some of the basic information so I figured I'd toss it on your radar. Don't think it's going to be much more than a stub, it seems itty bitty but it was fun to do. TravellingCari 17:56, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * No worries on being busy, I just tossed it on your radar because I had no idea on some parts of it. Learning about the infobox generator helped a lot too because I'd left most of it blank. I think if it gets to a DYK, at least on my end, it's going to be a 5x expansion type of DYK because I won't have time this weekend either. Thanks for the other NR link with the sourcing. Re: Rockland, I lived in South Nyack but Sloatsburg wouldn't have been a problem. I've moved now but really do need to take my camera when I go back to my Mom's in the next couple of weeks. Also need to work on my new neighborhood. I did some but it needs more. Happy Friday! TravellingCari  14:25, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

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Philip Claypool DYK
I added this as a reference in the "Chart singles" table on Philip Claypool. It's the best source I could find to verify that "Feel Like Makin' Love" was his highest chart single; scroll down to Page 12. Is that good enough? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 21:20, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Just an idea
I noticed this picture on the DYK nom page and I was wondering if you still had the original pic on your camera because if you had a version that doesn't have the artifacting, I think that pic could be a featured picture. Just wondered because it's an excellent photo. Thingg <sup style="color:#33ff00;">&#8853; <sup style="color:#ff0033;">&#8855; 01:57, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * What I meant when I asked that is do you have a form of this picture that isn't in the jpg format or a way to get one? I think the compression may be what's causing the articfacting but I'm not sure. I'm not too incredibly familiar with the FPC process, so I'm not sure what would have to be done (if anything) to improve the pic. If it's not too much trouble, I'd would like to have the original pic so I can take a shot at removing the artifacting. Thanks. Thingg <sup style="color:#33ff00;">&#8853; <sup style="color:#ff0033;">&#8855;  02:21, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * emailed. Thingg <sup style="color:#33ff00;">&#8853; <sup style="color:#ff0033;">&#8855;  02:30, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll see what I can do... Thingg <sup style="color:#33ff00;">&#8853; <sup style="color:#ff0033;">&#8855;  02:42, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, I was able to improve it quite a bit, but I'm not sure if it's good enough. I uploaded it to Image:Image-St Andrew's Episcopal Church, Brewster, NY test.png. (yeah I know, laugh at me for the extra "image"....) Wat do you think? Thingg <sup style="color:#33ff00;">&#8853; <sup style="color:#ff0033;">&#8855;  16:02, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I like this picture but I've had similar experiences with the FPC crowd. I think they will dislike the fuzzy tree leaves near the bottom-left of the photo, and the red doors "bleeding" into the hinges slightly. Please don't misinterpret my comments - it's an awesome picture, but you may want to work on those areas a little more before nominating it. Good job.--Appraiser (talk) 18:05, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Protection?
I don't know where you're getting the idea that I want it protected from, because that's not the case. Why would I want a page protected that hasn't had any problems? It needs fixing, and protection is not the answer. Infact, it's disruptive, and that's the opposite of what the article needs. It looks like you're assuming bad faith. It's not my version, because both versions are "his". I'm just looking out for the article, and am making the changes that are necessary. --Pwnage8 (talk) 15:03, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Blocking is used to prevent disruption, not to punish the editor(s). I don't think it was so out of hand that the page had to be protected. I have seen way worse. Must've been a slow day or something.. but it's only for 3 days, and I don't care that much. --Pwnage8 (talk) 18:02, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I didn't link to the warning, but my post, as I didn't want to retype it in the edit summary. I flat out said I was going to revert one more time, and then let him decide what to do. No malicious behaviour on my part at all. Never has been. I just want to make that clear. And I didn't know I had an attitude. I don't want to come off as hostile (the typed word can sometimes be interpreted that way) because that's not the case at all. What I meant about three days is that it's not a big deal like it's two weeks or something. I just want that article better, as you do. It's had huge chunks taken out of it lately, with nothing to replace what was lost, and I'm concearned about that. --Pwnage8 (talk) 18:27, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * My name is random, neutral, and not prohibited under Wikipedia's username policy. I take it YOU were rubbed the wrong way with my name, which is further indicated by your constant assumption of bad faith, and the fact that you'd rather see it changed. Let it go. I've been editing for a year and a half, and will not change it. If someone takes the time to cut articles down, they also have the time to add to them. You can delete whole articles with notable subject matter just because the sources aren't reliable, without even looking for more sources. It's called deletionism. I'm concearned that this is happening to the article. --Pwnage8 (talk) 18:49, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * If you take my assumption of assuming bad faith as assuming bad faith, then that's the only way I could've violated it. I didn't say deletionism is blockable, nor did I imply. Why do you keep bringing up blocks? And it does look like I'll have to rebuild the article myself, but I hope not, because I have other things to do as well. But that's just the way the cookie crumbles. --Pwnage8 (talk) 19:37, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Songs about fashion
I have nominated songs about fashion for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 20:25, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Certified.Gangsta
Please take a look at Certified.Gangsta's user page. Is China = Shame not a source of racism? Sky Divine (talk) 14:33, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Sup3rior
Sorry for not responding to your enquiry about this user's block earlier; thanks to my rubbish ISP I have had no net access all day. Anyway, I happy with whatever you judge appropriate. CIreland (talk) 22:09, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Time draining away
Hi. I do see there's a big DYK backlog but as I'm starting to get just a bit worried about my DYK proposal (at the bottom of August 4), I thought I'd translate for you the two quotes I used for the hook. : "The cathedral's plan is inspired by that of 'Saint Sophia' in Constantinople (today Istanbul), built by Emperor Justinian..." and : "...the architectural style is inspired by late Renaissance forms, greatly resembling the famous Roman church of 'Trinita del Monte'". Biruitorul Talk 22:50, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Great, thank you! Biruitorul Talk 03:39, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Suggestions page editing
Daniel, could I ask you to please end your reviews on the DYK suggestions page with a carriage return? It makes it quite difficult to find the start of a hook when all the text is run together. Gatoclass (talk) 13:09, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Re:Warren FT
Thanks. I had been working so hard on it and I have my official 2nd Featured Topic. It is also the 2nd for NYSR and for USRD. The other is a topic about New York State Route 20N. Thanks for the reply though. The next topic will be about Essex County Roads.<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE="-1" COLOR="red">Mitch</FONT>32(UP) 16:31, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Usernames
I would like us all to be singing from the same hymn book here. You spend a lot of time at WP:UAA - more than I do, I think. You often warn editors with suspect, or indeed very suspect names, which other admins might have username-blocked. A question; when you post a warning, how long do you think the editor should be given to answer before further action is decided on? Should it depend on whether they have edited since your warning? I am thinking particularly not about offensive names, but of names including suffixes such as "bot" or "admin", which may be good faith names. Or, of course, may not. --<b style="color:red;">Anthony.bradbury</b><sup style="color:black;">"talk" 20:06, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, that's fine. I am one who reviews the "holding pen", but did not want to tread too hard on your toes by removing one which you had flagged in what you might have called a premature way. --<b style="color:red;">Anthony.bradbury</b><sup style="color:black;">"talk" 20:21, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Lists of RHPs in Dutchess and Columbia counties
Hi -- I am up to the "D's" in NYS county lists of RHPs, converting to table format. I think it usually is a good thing to do now. For example it encouraged me to contact friends in Cortland County to ask them to add pics into the new table now.

I wonder if you could take a look at the Dutchess and the Columbia county ones, in particular. They are only partway developed, but i did indicate NHLs and add some pics. For Dutchess, Poughkeepsie is the largest town and could be split out, but despite 235 entries the county-wide list is just 82kb, not too terribly large in my view (with more space to be yielded by merging in duplication below, more space to be lost by adding pics and descriptions). If you want Poughkeepsie or others split out, or if you don't like the table version at all, let me know.

Also, as you know Hudson River Heritage Historic District spans both of those 2 counties, but I wasn't thinking and/or knowledgeable enough to select a representative pic from the 2 counties to use in their list-tables; i am afraid i may have posted a Dutchess pic in the Columbia county's list-table. doncram (talk) 16:25, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, i've opted to split out List of RHPs in Poughkeepsie and List of RHPs in Rhinebeck, out of List of RHPs in Dutchess, leaving about 106 in the latter with current filesize 37k, which is fine in my view. Have added pics from many articles...these are all three becoming really nice photo galleries of your work. :) Done for now.  Feel free to browse and fix up further. doncram (talk) 19:04, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Further, i checked the "Map of all coordinates" display for each and have commented out incorrect NRIS coords for 2 in Poughkeepsie. The google maps otherwise look really neat to me.  With your eye you may be able to spot others that should be commented out.  I tend to assume a bad coord is all bad, rather than assume that it is just any one digit that is wrong, by the way.  I put in a currently-rather-lengthy draft standard footnote about NRIS coords, using a template, into these articles, by the way.  Later, doncram (talk) 19:43, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Your edits to the 3 list-articles help. Currently there appear to be 41 rows in Rhinebeck, 91 rows in Poughkeepsie, and 106 rows in the rest of Dutchess County, which i kind of moronically totalled to assert there are 238 RHPs in the county (incorrect because there are duplications) in the Dutchess article.  About splitting out Hyde Park, you could do that to make a nice list-article about it if you want.  It is only about 21 or so entries.  I would have split it out already, deferring to your apparent preference for doing so, but you complicated it by saying one West Park or other entry should also be included in it.  That would have made defining a title for it, and describing it in the Dutchess County article, more complicated.  And i see no need for article-size reasons to split it out, but you are welcome to split it out for other reasons.  Anyhow, I am glad to see these all taking shape.  I am up to the H's now in the List of RHPs in NY counties, plus having addressed scattered other counties, in setting up tables for each one.


 * Also, I am curious to learn what kind of inquiry you sent to the NPS about naming conventions, and what response you got, though i don't promise to roll over to some pronouncement that might not serve wikipedia list-titling needs. I do think it somewhat unfortunate that the naming issue devolved into "voting" too quickly, rather than doing more research and brainstorming.  I appreciate that Motorrad-67(?) bowed out after having his say based on his industry experience;  i actually think that was mature for him to figure out that was appropriate for him as a relative newbie in wikipedia or otherwise. doncram (talk) 01:14, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Second Annual WikiNYC Picnic
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New DYK template to make your work easier
Hey there, I've created an easy to use template for DYK clerking. As one of the most active clerks, I thought you might be interested in taking a look at it. Best, &mdash; Anonymous Dissident  Talk 15:00, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

DYK Old Southeast Town Hall
- Mitico (talk) 20:04, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Nice job. I noticed it on the Wikipedia front page, where it is right now still, and i added its pic to List of RHPs in Putnam, which is also developing along.  Nice job also with the NHL pics;  I do appreciate that you upload the NHL ones out of order, to get them up.  Will finally nom the List of NHLs in NY page for FL, real soon now, too.  Cheers, doncram (talk) 20:46, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Scranton Photo
Hello Daniel, I work for a non-profit and we are interested in purchasing one of your photos. Please contact me at klake@ucsusa.org. Thank you! 208.50.113.55 (talk) 16:27, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Banned user Thomas4lyf sock puppetry again
Problems again with banned user User:TyrusThomas4lyf socks. and are the suspected socks this time around. Thanks. &mdash; Myasuda (talk) 02:51, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks -- I owe you one (and then some)! &mdash; Myasuda (talk) 03:12, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
...for promoting China at the 1952 Summer Olympics as a DYK. I was beginning to think it would fall off the list of candidates, despite being somewhat related to current events. Cheers — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 19:32, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Major Jacob Hasbrouck Jr. House
The Major Jacob Hasbrouck Jr. House article looks great and is a big improvement on my minimal stub. I'm a Hasbrouck descendant so I was interested in the house although most of my efforts are limited to New England. Your Rhode Island/Bristol County articles are some of the finest I've read. Thanks! Swampyank (talk) 21:34, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

MTA Pictures
Greetings, first off I have to commend you on the excellent pictures you took of the Patterson, Pawling App Trail and HV Wingdale station, really nice job. If you haven't already taken pics, i think i may go up to Dover, TM, and wassaic this weekend to snap some warm weather shots of them, that aren't blurry. Next month i plan on venturing to the Port Jervis line and Pascack Valley line for some pictures.--English836 (talk) 03:17, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I was actually at Wassaic a couple of weekends ago, but I'd be interested in seeing if you can find a way to shoot the station in a way that makes it clear which station it is (i.e., we can see a legible sign for the station and a train), and gets a feel for its context (the way it's got all those hills around it and it really feels like you're out in the middle of the boondocks). Those are my personal criteria for train station photos ... I like to get two out of three, usually sacrificing the train if I don't have time to wait around. At Wassaic I had come up by train so I couldn't drive around and find the right spot, so I got the other two.


 * I live close to many of the Port Jervis line stations, so I've taken photos at every station from Suffern on. If you want to add something, go ahead (They're rehabilitating the Tuxedo station; that might be interesting). Pascack Valley I have an idea to shoot, but I've not gotten down there. Daniel Case (talk) 03:45, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Just to update you, Wassaic (Metro-North station), Tenmile River (Metro-North station) and Dover Plains (Metro-North station) now have pictures. Let me know what you think :) --English836 (talk) 05:12, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

FL candidacy List of NHLs in NY
I nominated List of NHLs in NY for Featured List. Please watch, please feel free to add to discussion at Featured list candidates/List of National Historic Landmarks in New York. Cheers, doncram (talk) 23:51, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Great work, and timely with the FL review going on, to get pics for 3 NHLs missing pics, and to get 3 improved pics. I have to be more disciplined like you in uploading the pics I have taken, both in doing NHLs right away and in working at backlog for NRHPs.  I have pics for a few scattered NHLs (none in NY) and one or two hundred NRHPs, gathering dings in my hard drive.  The FL review seems to be going fine, happily. doncram (talk) 17:10, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject New Jersey Newsletter (August 2008)

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NY 311
I decided to expand New York State Route 311, and I think I'm just about done, but I was wondering if you knew of any additional history about that route that I missed. Thanks. –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  18:53, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Block?
Hi, mabe i'm confused avout how blockes work, but a seemingly blocked user is making a lot of vandalism edits: User: HistoryTopics.

Is he blocked or not? Is it worth warning him if he is? (btw, it is an obvious sock of another banned user).

Thanks!Yobmod (talk) 12:30, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Your message
I probably should've used "Abusing multiple accounts". The first account vandalised Halo 2. Seven minutes later, was created and vandalised the same page. Again, nearly seven minutes later, was created. User:Logging in please wait is the same person as the other two accounts. He's no new user; he immediately knew how to use the unblock template a minute after being blocked. Spellcast (talk) 20:34, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Curious (and probably just being dim)
Reviewing my edits from earlier and noticed you'd hardblocked User:Pwned321 for vandalism-only and username violation. I report names at UAA when I spot policy violations, but I can't see the violation in this username. With only one minor test edit, which I reverted, and no deleted ones he's obviously not been blocked for his edit history - just wondered what it is I'm missing? Cheers, Ka renjc 22:28, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Excellent, thank you for the clarification. I'd suggest I need to get out more (except staying in would probably be more productive here). Another one for the notebook.  Ka renjc 22:55, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

new listings insertions into NYS RHP lists
Thanks for updating the several NYS RHP lists, which I think are all on my watchlist for now. I like how you did it with Chenango County better, adding into the table right away with all the info from the new listings announcement (though i am not sure if you recorded the refnum in the description column, also seems to be helpful to do). I converted your Albany County addition that way, as i was able to find the new listing page, recording the refnum too. Perhaps on the others you didn't do the table rows because you didn't want to do all the laborious renumbering? In my view it's fine to just insert a new row between 30 and 31 and just give it number 30.5. Anyhow, i guess i don't mind looking up and adding the other new ones into the tables, too, while it's still clear where those new ones came from. Thanks. doncram (talk) 22:46, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Updated the NYS RHP lists for all the new listings of 8/29, and checked back to 8/8 previous update date recorded. Whew.  Gives me incentive to eliminate those old lists below the new tables in each of the counties, but there's still a lot of work in that, too. doncram (talk) 00:06, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. Glad you like to have the local additions.  You've done a lot of developing of some of the county lists.  About the 4 demolished ones, i pasted your comment into WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues's section on demolished but apparently still listed NRHPs, but i can find only 3 of the 4 on any lists of NRHPs.  Perhaps you meant a Woodruff house or something other than a Winchell House? doncram (talk) 13:45, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

change
Yeah okay, where do I go to have it changed? Pissed off starfish (talk) 21:33, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I'll just make another username. Thanks. Pissed off starfish (talk) 21:57, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

DYK hook
Hi Daniel, the hook you wrote for Conflict of the Orders is now in DYK on the Main Page. Congratulations! Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:35, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

67.236.224.0 rangeblock
I left account creation enabled on the rangeblock, and it is set for anons only, so the user will be able to edit if they register. I left them a note asking them to contact me if they cannot (or do not want to) register/login, and I will look at tweaking the block to allow their IP (I think this can be done via a user flag). Let me know if you have any questions or concerns. Thanks,  caknuck <sub style="color:black;">°  is geared up for football season  05:27, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Films roll call and coordinator elections
Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 07:08, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Films August 2008 Newsletter
The August 2008 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. This has been an automated delivery by BrownBot (talk) 23:40, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Troy is a parasite‎
Thanks! - NeutralHomer  •  Talk  05:05, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Username block
, who you blocked, is currently requesting unblocking. I don't think this was a username registered in bad faith, as it's a fairly popular slang term (see ). I'm unsure if the username would work, under current policy, but I would favor a bit more discussion and/or resetting the block to allow account creation and disable any outstanding autoblocks, if you're willing. Either way, your comment or insight would be appreciated. – Luna Santin  (talk) 23:45, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Careful
When you block bots, please be careful not to block them with the autoblocker enabled, see and User_talk:The_Transhumanist. I've fixed this, but, in the future, you could wind up disabling all of toolserver, or, as in this case, blocking the op as well. SQL <sup style="font-size: 5pt;color:#999">Query me! 04:26, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

User has requested an unblock
Hi Daniel.

A user you blocked has requested an unblock. See User talk:Nathan.sucks. Based on his contribs, I think he is a good-faith editor, and I would recommend unblocking him so he can file a request on WP:CHU. Cheers! J.delanoy <sup style="color:red;">gabs <sub style="color:blue;">adds 03:24, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

DYK
Thank you for your contributions! - Mailer Diablo 04:46, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Buckeye Check Cashing, Inc. v. Cardegna
One of the sentences in your article seems to be incomplete at the end because it's missing a dependent clause. The sentence is: When it was appealed to the High Court, Justice Antonin Scalia wrote for a majority of seven that the Federal Arbitration Act, as previously interpreted by the court, required that an arbitrator rule on all issues including the legality of the contract unless the arbitration. Unless the arbitration what? Unless the arbitration is invalid itself? I looked through older versions of the article and copy does not seem to have been accidentally removed. 71.175.28.241 (talk) 11:46, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Semih Aydilek
Hello,. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at WP:AN regarding your actions at Semih Aydilek. Thank you. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 16:30, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

UAA
Re "Killthebaddies"...what's to discuss? It's inciting violence. — Rlevse  •  Talk  • 20:20, 7 September 2008 (UTC)


 * It should be preemptively blocked and the name changed. I disagree with the idea of waiting for edits, it's still a name vio whether he understands the name policy or not or has edited. — Rlevse  •  Talk  • 10:03, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Spammy DYK update/housekeeping-type notice
HI (sorry 'bout the spammy note), DYK updates have been a bit slow and there's a bit of a shortage of admins actively involved. We are asking folks who listed themselves on Did you know/Admins to update details on this page - User:Olaf Davis/DYKadmins, so we can grade everyone's involvement (and who, knows, someone may want to get involved more :) ). Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:19, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

DYK - Skin Hunters
Hi, I'm the creator of this article and I was wondering if you would mind pulling some strings so it gets re-added. I understand why you removed if from 'articles created on Aug 30th', but the only reason it had tags on it was because one editor took a dislike to it. He nominated it for deletion, 5 editors opposed him, and then he put tags on it to spoil it. It would be a shame for his petty behaviour to spoil someone else's hard work. See the article's talk page to see what I mean. Thanks in advance:) Malick78 (talk) 10:19, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the input, but I'm puzzled by one thing: "this sort of focuses on a negative aspect of living people." Surely if the people are imprisoned for such a heinous crime, then there's not to much good to say about them? Or have I misunderstood you? Malick78 (talk) 13:00, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, understand now. Thanks:) Malick78 (talk) 13:05, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Calling all active WP:NOVELS members
<div align="left" style="background: #ffffff; border: ridge; border-width: 4px; border-color: red; padding: 10px;"> WikiProject Novels Roll Call WikiProject Novels is currently holding a roll call, which we hope to have annually. Your username is listed on the members list, but we are unsure as to which editors are still active within the project. If you still consider yourself an active WP:Novels editor, please add your name back to the Active Members list. Also feel free to join any of our task forces and take a look at the project's Job Centre to get involved!

Next month we will begin the coordinator election selection process. We hope to have more involvement and input this time around! More news will be forthcoming. Thanks, everyone! María ( habla con migo ) 15:01, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Advice on UAA issue requested
Daniel. I have been doing some UAA work lately and I try to follow the lead from more experienced admins in that arena. Today I had an exchange with User talk:ICadmin discussing his username. His answer is discouraging and as I want to be fair to the guy, I'm at a loss as to how to proceed from here. I did mention to him that he just admitted to a COI issue and also notified him about our POV policy. Is this enough to do a soft username block and request he changes it? Then we might/will not know if/when he violates COI. Can you offer any advice here? Thanks. -- Alexf42 00:48, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

User:Sinolinkconsulting
User:Sinolinkconsulting was blocked for a promotional username, and is now proposing to change it to Scarlett77. As they are having trouble using the unblock template I have posted the request for them here as a procedural matter only. I am not particuarly endorsing an unblock, just helping them with the template.

I am raising this here as you declined the previous unblock request. In my armchair opinion the proposed new username addresses the "promotional" issue but the editor still seems to miss the obvious COI and ad-spam problem in attempting to create an article about their own company. If they do get unblocked and recreate the article I'll give it a once-over in a day or so to see if it is notable and if not send it to AfD tos ettle it once and for all. Euryalus (talk) 06:41, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * No worries, and thanks for your response. Just helping them with the template as they seemed to be a bit confused. Hersfold has declined the unblock as the editor hasn't shown they understand the COI or spam problems, which seems like a fair outcome. Euryalus (talk) 21:54, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Question
Hi Daniel,

A question regarding today's block of User:Threeafterthree and your unblock request decline here. While I agree with your first reason, of course, that an ABC news blog is a RS and he erred in deleting it from Talk:Sarah Palin, your second reason gives me some pause because the deletion in question was from a BLP Talk page. If a contentious or potentially damaging claim about a living person is unsourced, WP:BLP does say it "should be removed immediately". If I understood you correctly, removal in such a case depends on the editor's intent: could you elaborate on that?  JGHowes <sup style="color:darkblue;">talk  -  19:24, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Myami99 issue for vamdalism on nami tamaki page
Mr. Daniel,

I am writing to you today in regards to the user Myami 99; this user has continued to vandalise the page entry for Nami Tamaki. Myself and user TJRC (who "moderate" the page frequently) have been removing Myami99's work off Tamaki's page. I see that this user has had blocks temporarily placed. What needs to be done to block the isp or get rid of the account entirely. Now so you know i know for a fact the information being placed there by Myami99 is false; i keep in close contact with Ms. Tamaki on a regular basis as she has requested to be kept informed of what happens to her page here on wikipedia.

To make a long story short, are there any other betteroptions that would take a lot of stress off me and TJRC? AnthonyWalters (talk) 23:35, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Weird NJ
Category:Weird NJ, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Cgingold (talk) 03:05, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Re DYK length
Please see my reply. Renata (talk) 04:33, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

nice info about Silliman Memorial Presbyterian Church
Nice identification, with documentation, that NRHP Silliman Memorial Presbyterian Church was demolished in 1998, which i saw in your edit of List of Registered Historic Places in Albany County, New York. I added it to the growing list at wp:NRIS info issues. You don't mind if i create the stub article for it, do you? And i am curious, did you have to discover it was gone by going to the address to photograph it. Cheers, doncram (talk) 04:36, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Novels Newsletter - September 2008
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Open DYK
I had added the sources you requested to the Power Memorial Academy, a hanging DYK that another editor had submitted that was awaiting further action per your issues. I am nearing completion of an article for the Hunterdon County Courthouse, a forthcoming DYK that will include your wonderful picture of the site. Alansohn (talk) 19:19, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Pine Hill
I see what you mean on the elevation cutoff. You should probably bring the discussion up at the project's talk page as I have no relation with it whatsoever. This might help with a definition, but there is obviously no definition as you said before: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 21:23, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

AFMP DYK nom
The image that you suggested on the celestial body that looks like a condom (at least from our vantage point) is nominated for deletion at Commons. I mention it in case you want to run the hook now.  Royal broil  03:58, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Truther problem recurs
This one is trolling 9/11-related subjects to spam links to conspiracy websites.  Enigma  message 06:37, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you. At least now he won't be able to troll on 9/11 and disrespect all the ones that perished on that day.  Enigma  message 16:02, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

House Resolution
Hey ill get you the real citations for it Hope it is not too opinionated what is not opinionated is not perception a twisted opinion, anyways some one put a note on the top saying This article is subject to link rot so I webcited it here are the real citations in order http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.CON.RES.362: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=hc110-362   http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/26/news/iran.php   http://www.antiwar.com/orig/norouzi.php?articleid=11025   http://www.govtrack.us/users/questions.xpd?topic=bill:hc110-362   http://www.govtrack.us/users/questions.xpd?topic=bill:hc110-362   http://www.govtrack.us/users/questions.xpd?topic=bill:hc110-362   http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/06/23/iran-war-resolution-may-be-passed-next-   http://www.hugg.com/taxonomy/term/43517   http://www.zimbio.com/American+Politics/articles/158/Congress+House+Resolution+362   http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2008/07/31/18521253.php   http://www.payvand.com/news/08/aug/1001.html   http://www.icjp.net/who.htm   http://www.aipac.org/694.asp   http://www.jstreet.org/campaigns/now-our-moment-iran   http://www.antiwar.com/paul/?articleid=13087   http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=hc110-362   http://www.opencongress.org/bill/110-sr580/text   http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=sr110-580   http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:HC00362:@@@P.

If you would like to see the current version of the bill see http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:HC00362:@@@X Ive already lost one to link rot any ways if you have any questions or comments about how to make this article better please contact me. I will not lie on wikipedia I could say Olmert made such a bill by influence but I could be wrong, it however is highly interesting olmert talked about this bill a few days before it existed see http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2008/07/31/18521253.php and http://www.payvand.com/news/08/aug/1001.html it mentions the olmert peolosi thing too. --Zaharous (talk) 21:20, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Whitespaces
I never know what to do in these situations, I slung in a couple of extra hooks...and there is still some space at the bottom...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:33, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I checked and snuck one more in after that and did the credits for it. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:43, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

retrospective diagnosis DYK (sept 8)
The comment on the DYK, requesting it be moved to the talk page, was made by an editor attempting to derail the DYK, largely I suspect, because their edits to the article were mostly undone. If you don't think it was a good DYK, then fine, but please don't remove it because of that editor's comments. Colin°Talk 15:00, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply. Yes, controversial DYK shouldn't go on the Main Page so you did right. Just your edit summary implied you were doing it because of the comment, which wasn't helpful. This was my first participation in a DYK and I found it confusing. The first reviewer had issues with the original hook. So I offered an alternative. Then another reviewer said the original hook was too long. I wondered why the original was still being reviewed so struck it and make it clear which alternative to use. Is there a convention here? Do you only use strike-out for abandoned DYKs? Should I have just edited the original hook (which would have made the comments below incorrect)? Colin°Talk 17:33, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I am getting flak on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine for "pulling" this DYK nom. Would you care to comment there? --Una Smith (talk) 02:44, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Maybe someday computers will come with a stress detector and cut their users off when they start to overheat. --Una Smith (talk) 15:15, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Asgardian's block
I have several issues with it atm.

Yes, there have been times where he's likely been deserving.

But I'm not sure that this was one of those times.

And further, I'm concerned with the appearance that someone directly involved in an article editing and discussion did the initial block.

I'm very much leaning towards unblocking, but I'd like to hear your thoughts first. - jc37 05:08, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


 * If you know the situation better, and I admit I don't know the extent of Nightscream's involvement as an editor since it was hard to tell, then you could unblock. It's your call. Daniel Case (talk) 05:10, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


 * For better or for worse, yes, I've pretty much been the "neutral mediator" (as it were) for quite some time.


 * As for this situation, looking at the page history, and especially at Talk:Ultimates, really makes me think it may have been inappropriate for Nightscream to be the blocking admin in this case.


 * I've asked User:Hiding to review the initial block. If he (and/or you) concurs, then I think Nightscream likely deserves a warning concerning tool usage in disputes.


 * And Asgardian actually described his edit in this case (whether the edit was appropriate or not, is a whole other matter), so he doesn't appear to have gone greatly awry of his arbcom sanctions in the specific edit which he was blocked for.


 * And he was actually discussing on the talk page (for awhile anyway).


 * All of these are positive steps.


 * However, he's still doing large mass edits in a single edit (and has been now for awhile, I note in his edit history), which he's supposed to try to avoid.


 * For now, would you consider reducing his block to a 48 hour block? (Though with a clear and stiff warning on his talk page, making it clear that he's risking being indefinitely blocked.) - jc37 05:23, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you.
 * And I've also left a note with User:Emperor, to see if he would be willing to help mentor Asgardian (again). - jc37 05:41, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi. For the record, The Ultimates is not the article in which Asgardian's involvement led to his block, but rather, Ultron is. I was not involved in the editing of that article until I intervened to restore the material that Asgardian deleted. I don't know if that makes a difference or not, but I just thought I'd clarify that, in case it was relevant. Nightscream (talk) 06:15, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Just so you know, Asgardian again removed the material in question during his rewrite of the Ultron article. I restored it, though in a more brief form, and tried to incorporate it more smoothly into the passage. I thought I'd let you know before/rather than confronting him myself, but if he keeps this up, deleting material that does not conform to his aesthetic whims, without even trying to do what I did himself, or solicit discussion from others, then the problems with him are going to continue. Nightscream (talk) 07:04, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Daniel, Asgardian has returned to his previous behavior deleting out-universe reference to book titles, rather than discuss the issue, despite the fact that he has ignored attempts to discuss the issue. Please advise. Nightscream (talk) 16:26, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The first thing I'd say here is that it is time for Nightscream to get some perspective. I have already stated openly that these consistent essays that appear in response to any of my comments (see my Talk page) smack of obsession and that he needs to take a step back. The following of my edits around Wikipedia also indicates this. This "running and telling behaviour" is also a tad immature and has already alienated one user: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tbrittreid#top

In short it is not appropriate behaviour for a supposed administrator.

Tiger Shark? If he'd bothered to ask instead of accusing, he could have been told that I had a loss of session data and was going to add still more, but now the overall issue is going to be discussed (at my instigation) on the Galactus Talk page. I don't agree with his block (emotive) nor yours (some assumptions), but there's your reason. Asgardian (talk) 03:46, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The post by me here was in response to an edit by you, not a "response". You removed a reference to a book title, despite the fact that a discussion on that issue is ongoing. That is not appropriate. The fact that you used self-serving or deceptive language in the Edit Summary (which I'm surmising is what you meant by a "comment") may also illustrate a continuation of these habits of yours, but was not, in and of itself, the basis of my comment to Daniel.


 * In order to even begin showing that my conduct is not a legitimate part of my Wiki duties, you would have to refute one of two statements: 1. It is inappropriate to continue edits that are part of an ongoing discussion. 2. You yourself have engaged in this since your last block lifted. If you cannot do this, then you have no basis for this assertion, and thus "Smack of obsession" is simply another fallacious personal comment in violation of WP:CIVIL, as is “essay”, since monitoring an editor who has been blocked multiple times for constantly violating WP:CONS and WP:CIVIL is perfectly reasonable, and a placing a small message on this Talk Page is hardly an “essay”, with slightly larger ones like this one justified by the range of the falsehoods and fallacies that require rebuttal.


 * As for User:Tbrittreid, his “irritation” has nothing to do with my monitoring of your edits. He became “irritated” because after he accused the admins who blocked you of “hypocrisy” because he himself was previously blocked by other admins under different standards, I responded by pointing out that one cannot accuse one person of hypocrisy for exhibiting different principles from a different person, and he didn’t like this. Your statement, therefore, that my monitoring of your edits is what irritated him is false, as Daniel can see by reading my exchanges with him.


 * As for “asking”, I am not required to ask you ad infinitum to follow WP policy. You have been given more than enough benefit of the doubt and leeway regarding your policy violations and incivility towards other editors, with more than enough attempts by me to talk to you over these matters, with little receptivity on your part. Nightscream (talk) 22:50, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your help!
Thanks for your help on the Lake Sagami article. It just got DYK! Chris (talk) 21:09, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

USRD Newsletter, Issue 6 (FINAL ISSUE)

 * —Rschen7754bot (talk) 03:30, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Belcourt Castle
Hi Daniel, I can't find Belcourt Castle in the NRHP database. Do you know if it's there under a different name? Or perhaps it's a recent addition. For now, I've removed NRHP categories, templates, and WP. But if you show me something that says so, I'll put them back. Thanks.--Appraiser (talk) 19:29, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

List terminology
There's a revived discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places regarding correct terminology for the names of the "List of Registered Historic Places.." articles. I seem to remember reading somewhere that you were contacting or had heard back from the NPS on this subject. If that's so, can you chime in and let us know what they said? Thanks. :) Lvklock (talk) 18:24, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, thanks for the barnstar! I love the small town visits and taking the pics, though my family and friends think I'm a little too picky about trying to get them all when I go somewhere.  If only I loved writing the articles as much, maybe I wouldn't have such a backlog. Or maybe it's just that my job gets in the way ;) Lvklock (talk) 22:54, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

If you could turn New York State Route 28A into something...
I need a good route description expansion, the current one, personally isn't too good (and I don't like the stubby paragraphs). If you're willing to collaborate on it, be my guest and tell me. I just need a better version.<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE="-1" COLOR="red">Mitch</FONT>32(UP) 11:05, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Canadian Rockies & User talk:209.47.20.229

 * saw your name recently blocking User talk:209.47.20.229, the IP that vandalized Canadian Rockies. Letting you know I'm gonna template 'em. Ling.Nut (talk&mdash;WP:3IAR) 03:35, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Reply to my response to your DYK comment?
Hello, Daniel. You made a comment on my proposed Sept. 14 DYK for Maurice Isserman, and I responded with a change and note 24 hours ago. Still no reply from you on its merits, and Sept. 14 must be about to expire. Can't we depend on follow-up if we're not one of what sometimes seems to be a DYK clique? Dwalls (talk) 15:46, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your prompt response! Sorry to appear irritable; I do understand that this is all thankless, understaffed volunteer activity.  Cheers. Dwalls (talk) 16:56, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

On the categorization of Grey Towers National Historic Site
While I cannot dispute that it may also be an NHS type of NRHP location, according to the text of the article it was declared a NHL in 1963. According to the National Historic Site article: "There are also about 79,000+ National Register of Historic Places sites, which usually are privately owned, of which about 2400 have further been designated as National Historic Landmark sites." and acording to the National Historic Landmark article: "Out of more than 80,000 U.S.-listed historic places, however, only about 2,430 are NHLs." Hence I would think that it would be more noteworthy to belong to the smaller more selective group (Landmarks) than the larger group (Sites). Having said that the nrhp type was not the primary reason I made the change. Rather in the category Category:National Historic Sites of the United States you'll note that Grey Towers National Historic Site is the only article listed, apart from the ones on Carribean islands that do not yet have their own subcategories, that is listed in the United States category and not solely in a state named subcategory (the article is correctly listed in Category:National Historic Sites in Pennsylvania). One could argue that this is due to a bug in the Template:Infobox nrhp template that is used in the article. Note the special conditions for nrhp sites in the State of New York that are not in place for other states, such as Pennsylvania. According to WP:SUBCAT "Subcategories are often created in order to break down the members of a category into smaller sets which are easier to browse. This means that articles belonging to such a subcategory should not be placed in the parent category also. For example, Category:Bridges is broken down by country, so Angers Bridge appears in Category:Bridges in France, but not in the parent Category:Bridges." . The categorization of the article and the appropriateness of the NHL type instead of the NHS type were the reasons I made that edit. 164.55.254.106 (talk) 17:09, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikis Take Manhattan
WHAT Wikis Take Manhattan is a scavenger hunt and free content photography contest aimed at illustrating Wikipedia and StreetsWiki articles covering sites and street features in Manhattan and across the five boroughs of New York City. The event is based on last year's Wikipedia Takes Manhattan, and has evolved to include StreetsWiki this year as well.

LAST YEAR'S EVENT


 * Wikipedia Takes Manhattan/Spring 2008 (a description of the results, and the uploading party)
 * Commons:Wikipedia Takes Manhattan/Gallery (our cool gallery)

WINNINGS? Prizes include a dinner for three with Wikipedia creator Jimmy Wales at Pure Food & Wine, gift certificates to Bicycle Habitiat and the LimeWire Store, and more!

WHEN The hunt will take place Saturday, September 27th from 1:00pm to 6:30pm, followed by prizes and celebration.

WHO All Wikipedians and non-Wikipedians are invited to participate in team of up to three (no special knowledge is required at all, just a digital camera and a love of the city). Bring a friend (or two)!

REGISTER The proper place to register your team is here. It's also perfectly possible to register on the day of when you get there, but it will be slightly easier for us if you register beforehand.

WHERE Participants can begin the hunt from either of two locations: one at Columbia University (at the sundial on college walk) and one at The Open Planning Project's West Village office. Everyone will end at The Open Planning Project:


 * Wikis Take Manhattan page at The Open Planning Project


 * 349 W. 12th St. #3
 * Between Greenwich & Washington Streets
 * By the 14th St./8th Ave. ACE/L stop

FOR UPDATES

Check out:


 * Wikis Take Manhattan main website

This will have a posting if the event is delayed due to weather or other exigency.

Thanks,
 * Pharos

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DYK
Following on from this discussion, I offer you this possible solution: Wikipedia talk:Did you know. Thanks for listening. GDallimore (Talk) 08:04, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I responded at User talk:SandyGeorgia; since I'm not a DYK participant, I'm not sure if my feedback on the process will be helpful, but the concern in that case was not the process (or Daniel Case's removal of that DYK), rather ongoing issues with one editor on the Medicine and Equine Projects. One editor derailed a DYK with original research; perhaps the process could have been more user friendly, but I'm unsure if that was the real problem.  I'm not sure if moving that discussion to the talk page would have prevented it from happening in this case, as the issue goes beyond DYK.  I'm unclear how much of that could have been avoided by improving the process, but I suspect that in this case, it would have happened anyway, as that editor's idiosyncratic views have arisen in other areas. (Always meant to get back here, Daniel Case, to let you know that your removal of the DYK wasn't the concern; other than that, unless this can be an example for how to improve DYK, I'm unsure it's even a DYK issue.)  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 14:56, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

User:Porterfield73
Hi Daniel. I've received an unblock request (more of a whinge really) from User:Porterfield73. See Suspected sock puppets/Steven130793. They twice blanked a userpage which I saw fit to speedy delete due to its content. Weird timing, but I'm willing to AGF and unblock. Any views? -- zzuuzz (talk) 15:18, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Image:Couverture du diable s'habille en Prada.jpg listed for deletion
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Couverture du diable s'habille en Prada.jpg, has been listed at Images and media for deletion. Please see the to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. J Milburn (talk) 19:07, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Just in case you didn't see it there, and also because we're now far beyond your 24 hours....
So comical. I suppose I could attain to godhood, er, administratorship if I didn't have one job for my family and one to pay the dole for people who don't have one at all. I attempted to go through proper channels, but all the utopian rules of wiki make it impossible for someone who doesn't simply wiki while others buy their food for them. Clearly, I did provide more than one source, and just as clearly the biases of the wiki gods overruled them without so much as interaction, initially.

I wasn't quite aware just how inbred wiki is, until this afternoon when I was speaking to someone who is not in academia. He's just a blue-colar, albeit educated, man. When I laughingly told him what had transpired, I hardly got the first part out when he blurted, "Why on earth were you on wikipedia?" So obvious is your left tilt to even him, it was simply taken as a given.

Again, this has served as a greater lesson for me. I'll be sure to make of wiki an every-semester example for my students (as I did today in class, and will to the hundreds of others I speak to every week), and require that no sourcing is from wiki. It just isn't in the interest of objective education. Take a cursory look at "Realist2"'s user page, and at the description of, say, Daily Kos. It speaks candidly and clearly about this matter as well as wiki itself.

~Doc

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dr._America" 12:35, 23 September 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr. America (talk • contribs)


 * As to, "Good to hear that. You may want to commend your students' attention to this as well." Daniel Case (talk) 14:02, 25 September 2008 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dr._America"" please, please understand that it isn't simply wiki contributors that are the problem--sometimes they are the salvation of wiki. It is also, and on some occasions, mostly, the "administrators" and their unprofessional approach.  Wiki should never, never, be a power trip for anyone.  This is likely my last post on wiki, but my detraction of it in the real world will, I assure you, be committed.

~Doc  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr. America (talk • contribs) 17:51, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

new peer review for List of NHLs in NY
Perhaps you could comment and watch Peer review/List of National Historic Landmarks in New York/archive2, where i have asked for a new peer review of List of NHLs in NY. I am hoping that low-key discussion can help address issues raised in the FL review that failed, address other issues suggested but not detailed, and otherwise improve the article for FL renom. doncram (talk) 00:47, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Wilderness Diarrhea Getting Killed

 * Hi. Hope things are good at Ottaway. I used to work for Dow Jones. Tell 'em I'll make an offer for THR for Lehman stock.

"Er...There seems a slight chance you might be interested in saving Wilderness Diarrhea from getting merged into Travelers Diarrhea by a couple of zealots. Personally, I get around a lot in the outdoors (Gunks frequently) and rarely treat water. There's a lot of good stuff in the article getting chopped.

After calmly discussing it for a couple of weeks, I went ballistic and no longer wish to participate. Calamitybrook (talk) 02:49, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I now realize it was somebody else at THR.....Calamitybrook (talk) 14:47, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Talkback!
Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 19:00, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikis Take Manhattan rescheduled for October 4
Wikis Take Manhattan has been rescheduled for next Saturday, October 4, due to the rain predicted for this weekend.. I hope you can make it to the new time, and bring a friend (or two)!--Pharos (talk) 23:22, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Helga Vlahovic
You can revisit your ruling at TT:DYK; it's close to being picked and everything's ready for that entry now. Mike H. Fierce! 23:03, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

what is your problem?
i had every right to report that shill, but he went ahead the other way. and you just don't know any better, don't you? if you wanna block me - go ahead, see if i care. go ahead, earn yourself another epolet for another groundless ban. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.11.214.147 (talk) 02:02, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

My RfA

 * I was a little shy of WP:200, but yeah, WP:100 was still pretty good! As for that picture of NY 28, if you find the time to upload it, it would be great to have. It can wait, so no need to rush for it.
 * I was looking through your contributions, and I see that you've been busy moving articles per a WikiProject consensus. Need some help with it? If so, let me know on my talk page, and I'll be happy to help out. –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  15:29, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Great, I'll start soon. Is there a list of the articles that need to be moved? –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  15:36, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't believe AWB moves pages. At least moving pages isn't a difficult task. I started off moving the state lists in that cat, and when I get done with those, I'll start moving the individual county/city lists. It looks like you have New York done already(?) –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  15:52, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Whoops, I misread the new naming convention. Sometimes it seem as if only I could have messed up such a simple thing... –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  16:16, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

reference abbreviations
"not so swift" is a bit of an extreme: abbreviations are simply not used outside scholarly writing. Because Wikipedia tries to avoid needless jargon as much as possible (and there is little as needless as Latinate reference abbreviations), it is just sensible editing. Not to mention that id./ibid./supra have a much better reason to be recommended against: they break far, far too easily should new references be added (what happens if a fact from a different souce is added between two "supra" refs?), or even should the references be moved about. Circeus (talk) 20:10, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Asgardian's continued page blanking, et al.
Hi, Daniel. I'm sorry to trouble you with this, but the issues concerning User talk:Asgardian's content blanking and behavior continue. Although most of his edits are solid, he still deletes valid material without citing a valid rationale, often using Edit Summaries that are at times euphemistic, and according to J Greb, possibly deceptive. In another instance, he removed material that was clearly badly written, and not formatted to WP standards, but referred to this as "vandalism". I tried to explain to him that bad writing is not vandalism, that referring to it as such could be seen as a violation of WP:Newbie and WP:AGF, and that there are descriptions of what is not vandalism. If he heeded this, he did not indicate it by responding to me.

Of late, the problem is particularly focused on the Black Bolt and Ultron articles. Asgardian implies that his edits are derived from some guideline/policy/prior discussion, but when I attempt to discuss it with him, as User:Emperor requested of me, he usually ignores me. When I issue warnings to him to cease content blanking without engaging in a discussion, he again dismisses this as "silly threats". I explained, for example, why given material on the aforementioned pages does not constitute "speculation" or fail WP:CRYSTAL, and in response, he simply repeats that assertion that it does, without acknowledging the specifics of my counterargument. I made this counterargument three times, once on his Talk Page, and twice on the Black Bolt Talk Page, and he simply reiterates his position, instead of presenting the reasoning/evidence that supports it and refutes my position. I asked him repeatedly for clarification, and he ignores me, but continues editing and reverting the passage while the discussion is ongoing, and makes personal comments about me, claiming that I am "emotional".

He has also been warned by three other administrators: Emperor, Jc37, and J Greb. While there is a discussion being attempted on the BB page, his continued refusal to cease this behavior or participate in anything other than a cursory manner does not seem to trouble others. Jc37 in particular, who claims to be a neutral observer who is mentoring him, has been speaking with me on my Talk Page, and has engaged in comments that do not seem constructive. He/she tells me to try talking to Asgardian and ask him for clarification. I repeatedly point out that I have already been doing so, and that Asgardian ignores me. JC says the Edit History of the BB page indicates that Asgardian has been participating, thereby indicating that JC did not actually read the thread himself/herself. JC claims that Asgardian does not have to talk to me, that removing such content is not disruptive, and therefore, not a blockable offense, even though this is exactly what Asgardian was blocked for the last time, and it is what he's been warned about of late. JC said that Asgardian was blocked for continuing to edit during an ongoing discussion, but I do not see a record of this anywhere, as he is still editing. JC also made comments in the final passage of his/her last post to me that appeared to be decidedly condescending, and quite insulting. This, combined with the somewhat contradictory nature of statements he/she made about whether Asgardian is being disruptive, cause me to wonder about JC's stated objectivity. Asgardian seems to act as if he can do whatever we wants, ignore whatever policies he wants, and ignore whatever administrators he wants by just dismissing them as "emotional" and making "silly threats".

Daniel, I do not discount the possibility that purely in terms of content, he might be right. He correctly pointed out on the Tiger Shark article that comic series volume numbers are only included in reference to them beginning with volume 2 and up, and I conceded that he was right, because he was. Conversely, I corrected him that one particular series had a second volume, and he conceded that point to me. That's how it should go. But this exchange was the exception, and the ultimate version that should be used in a passage or article is only part of the issue. The more troubling part is that he refuses to following policy in terms of oversight, open discussion/consensus, and civility. I did as Emperor requested, but it's not working, and all JC can do is suggest to me what I've already been doing.

I considered going to the Administrative Noticeboard/Incidents, but I don't know if that's just for problems with admins, or users as well. We can ask for mediation, but before I take such action, I figured I'd tell you about it, since some had problems with my last block of Asgardian, because while the block itself was valid, they felt that I was involved. I tried taking this issue to Emperor and JC for this reason, but it's not helping, so I thought I'd bring it to your attention. Can you look over the relevant Talk Pages? The matter occurs on User talk: Asgardian's (in multiple sections), Emperor's, Ultron, Black Bolt, and mine. I know it's a lot to slog through, but it illustrates the behavior that we're dealing with here. The fact that I have had past conflicts and have blocked him does not mean that I am not neutral, as it is simply a reflection of his continuing behavior. Despite this, I can easily recuse myself from this, except that the other admins won't do anything, and Asgardian refuses to engage me in discussion. Do you feel that if this continues, a block of him by me would be wrong, even if I were transparent about its rationale? Your advice would be appreciated. Nightscream (talk) 00:51, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll be happy to endorse your WP:3PO involvement, if you are interested.
 * I think I and my comments are being somewhat mischaracterised above, but I have little problem with believing that that is perhaps how Nightscream is perceiving them. Perhaps your thoughts will bring some additional light (and less heat) to the situation.
 * Note, there are several previous discussions, including an RfC, a mediation attempt, and Arbcomm. Also, User:Hiding has been involved with dealing with disputes that others have had with Asgardian longer than I have (and who is who I typically go to when looking for a 3PO concerning him).
 * Anyway, good luck with all the text (there's quite a bit : ) - jc37 22:09, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, Daniel. Asgardian has been continuing his behavior, reverting and deleting large swaths of material without discussion or compromise, even when attempts are made to do so with him. He continues to refer to material he does not like as "fancruft", and writes other potentially (albeit indirectly) uncivil Edit Summaries, even though I pointed out how that word is both not accurate, given its criteria, and potentially uncivil. User:Emperor now agrees with me that he needs to be blocked again, and asked me to ask an uninvolved admin to do so. Since he was blocked for three days last time, I think a week is in order this time, but I'll leave that to your judgment. Please advise. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 00:29, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the note - no I haven't changed my opinion, I'm afraid. I did agree to mentor Asgardian by helping out in disputes and pointing out the relevant guidelines and precedents. However, this seemed to actually involve helping other editors who were in danger of being "steam-rollered" and with persistence we made some progress over Hank Pym. I have been giving Nightscream advice on how to proceed on a couple of articles where he was having disputes with Asgardian who wasn't responding to attempts to discuss the issues and I laid out some reasonably steps which were rapidly removed by Asgardian again. Nightscream (and I and other editors) have spent a lot of time on this and I don't feel we have made any progress but refusing to discuss an issue, then reverting an edit by people who have discussed it flies in the face of WP:CONSENSUS and a raft of things that are expected from Wikipedians to help oil the wheels (bringing into play other issues like WP:OWN. It is a blunt tool but perhaps a block will help drive home the importance of the issue.


 * Also if you have any other suggestions for how to progress after it has expired then I am open to them, although this situation has dragged on for years and we have been through all sorts of procedures. Things have got better and yet we still keep coming back to this. (Emperor (talk) 03:35, 17 October 2008 (UTC))


 * Just saw this.
 * For whatever it's worth,
 * While: I might have suggested that the block be for other reasons, (I'm not sure I see what you seem to see in the diffs - I was going to ask for clarification, but don't worry about it); and also at this stage, I'm wondering if we're nearing the line between preventative vs. punitive blocking; I do support this action.


 * In going throug his edit history, there are just too many recent questionable edits (such as the ones you noted), which, to me, really looks like he's attempting to game the system in regards to his restrictions.


 * That while in the light that he really does seem to have been "getting better".
 * (Though I'll freely admit that I, at times, may WP:AGF more than perhaps the evidence indicates.)


 * As an aside, I should probably note that in the past, blocks didn't seem to be much effective. We may need to be prepared for the possibility of the need for greater sanction. - jc37 05:04, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Daniel, Asgardian is upset with his block, which he feels is unjustified, and with your not discussing the matter. Can you chime in on his Talk Page here? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 14:59, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, please discuss it with him. The history of edit disputes involving Asgardian are far too complicated for him to get blocked without greater explanation and elaboration. Someone reading that you're not discussing things (whether that's a fair assertion or wholly unfair) could get the impression that you're being hypocritical considering that one of the accusations against Asgardian which apparently led to this block is that he's not discussing things enough. At least once in the past, a block against Asgardian got overturned because the admin wouldn't discuss it more. Doczilla  STOMP! 06:49, 22 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I wasn't going to ask for further clarification (note above), but they're probably right in that some clear explanation from you regarding the reasons for the block, with some explained, supportive diffs, would likely be helpful. - jc37 08:38, 22 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I posted a fuller explanation, with linked diffs, on his talk page. Daniel Case (talk) 12:03, 22 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I've tried several times to sort out his talk page. I'm going to have to read it "by diff" when I have more time later, it seems.
 * In any case, thank you for making an attempt at clarification. - jc37 14:22, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, thank you. Doczilla  STOMP! 04:27, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Check your e-mail
Thanks, I've left you a message.--Pharos (talk) 04:21, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for blocking Anonymous101 (talk) 14:28, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Nott Memorial Hall image
I noticed that your handsome Image:Nott Memorial Hall, Union College, Schenectady, NY.jpg appeared to be tilted just slightly to the left, so I took the liberty of rotating it one degree to the right and uploading the new version. Hope you don't mind-- feel free to revert if you wish. Cheers! -- Mwanner | Talk 11:56, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, the color didn't bother me when I was editing it, but now that you mention it, it does seem a tad blue. -- Mwanner | Talk 13:19, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It is a gorgeous building-- if you know how to work with layers, etc., go for it (I've never been able to make sense of that stuff). I must say, though, that the FP editors seem to have brutally high standards when it comes to technical image quality.  Good luck! -- Mwanner | Talk 13:34, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject New Jersey Newsletter (September 2008)

 * Newsletter delivery by xenobot  16:25, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Time to shut off the bot for awhile?
I see that namewatcher bot has screwed up royally today--flagging several problematic usernames as having edited when they actually haven't. Might be time to shut it down for a tuneup. Blueboy96 20:40, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Purging the cache
Regarding this, did you click the link to purge the cache of the Main Page, after you updated? (You can find the link on DYK template.) --BorgQueen (talk) 17:19, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, refreshing your browser purges the cache of your browser, and clicking the link purges the cache of the wikipedia server. So if you didn't click the link after the update, the Main Page would still show the one before for a while, no matter how many times you refreshed your own browser - which is why clicking the link is included in the update instruction. --BorgQueen (talk) 02:25, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

User:AlyBot
I have unblocked this "bot" account. Please in the future, maybe discuss with the good-faith user who created the bot account before blocking it. The account was created at 2:01, and you blocked the account at 2:24. 23 minutes, did you expect a WP:RBA to run in that time, did you feel the edits that the bot made to its own user space were somehow disruptive, did you not think that maybe she was getting her bot account ready for the future, did you think maybe she was a first-time bot owner? In the future, please try to talk before block, especially if the account is obviously not disruptive. <font face="Harlow Solid Italic"><font size="2px" color="teal"> « Gonzo fan2007 ''<font color="#191970">(talk)  @ 03:15, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Honestly, the course tone in my post was more due to the fact that after helping this user, she got blocked, which you and I know isn't a big deal, but to a fairly new user, it sucks. I was also troubled by the fact that obviously this bot, as explained on its user page, below the Bot template, clearly stated it would not be performing any bot actions and would only edit user space.  If you do know more about the WP:Bot policy then I, why not educate instead of punish?  In any case, I do apologize for any offense taken in my post.  It was not my intention.
 * Obviously I am not in BAG, nor do I claim to be. And honestly, would you rather someone made test edits for a bot on their main account?  I do think my advice was very sound, and that one BAG member stating something really doesn't make me feel confident.  In any case, even if she was blatantly breaking WP:BOT (which I still don't see), there was obvious intent to improve the encyclopedia.  All I ask, is that in the future, if there seems to be an inkling of intent to do good (especially if the user in question was communicating with an admin about!) then maybe just commenting or educating the user would be better method than the sour taste of a block.  Again, I apologize for my lack of good faith, and yes the "trigger-happy" comment was about the UAA history :) <font face="Harlow Solid Italic"><font size="2px" color="teal"> « Gonzo fan2007  ''<font color="#191970">(talk)  @ 03:43, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Haha, its all good. Aly took it better than anyone I have ever seen, so no harm.  Cheers, <font face="Harlow Solid Italic"><font size="2px" color="teal"> « Gonzo fan2007  ''<font color="#191970">(talk)  @ 03:58, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Chauncey Holt article
Daniel,

I understood that you blocked my account jfkmurdersolved from editing, can you tell me why? I am new to Wikipedia and don't understand it, but it must have had something to do with the article I submitted on Chauncey Holt.

Thanks in advance,

Wim Dankbaar —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wim Dankbaar (talk • contribs) 07:39, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

UAA Concern
Hi, I've seen you around UAA and wondered if I could bring your attention to something I've noticed. It seems like there an awful lot of reports recently of usernames with the word "bambi" in them. Is this a blatant violation? Not really. But it seems like the number of those reports has increased dramatically. I might be completely paranoid, but if those names are associated with the Disney Vandal, could someone be creating accounts for future vandalism sprees? I hope I'm just jumping at shadows, but your input would be appreciated. Cheers!  TN ‑  X   - Man  13:06, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I understand they're associated with the Disney Vandal, but I wondered if maybe someone is creating "sleeper" accounts, as it were.  TN ‑  X   - Man  16:27, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Ivan Regen DYK hook
Sorry to bother you, but the DYK proposal page history shows that you were the last around reviewing the hooks. Could you please check the one I made on september 25 about an article I wrote? There has been no feedback for 5 days and I think the article meets the criteria for the inclusion (although it's true that it's only barely long enough). I'd just like to know whether there's some problem with it so I can fix it in time. Thanks, --Yerpo (talk) 18:49, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks! --Yerpo (talk) 06:15, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

IReceivedDeathThreats Help/ Wisdom89 pretending to be an admin?
I've read WP:U and asked, but was refused an answer (see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Grsz11&action=history). How exactly does my username violate WP:U ? Oh, and WTF? Wisdom89 is pretending to be an admin? I was about to ask him/her my question... See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Usernames_for_administrator_attention&oldid=242152502!!! I'd prefer a reply at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Questionable_Username. --IReceivedDeathThreats (talk) 00:41, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Next DYK Update...
... is ready to go if you want to do it in a couple of minutes. BorgQueen okayed it earlier as well. I can do the credits if you like? (I'd do the whole thing but i'm not a sysop :.

Cheers,

<font face="Gill Sans MT"> B G  7even   14:56, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure ;). No, the picture isn't protected. It is uploaded locally though. Thanks, <font face="Gill Sans MT"> B G  7even   15:06, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Loading coil
Regarding your deletion of this from loading coil. Not only is Oliver Heaviside widely regarded as a genius, the source (Brittain, p37) describes him as brilliant, the word you deleted. Its not "peacock phrases" to state something that everyone believes is true.  Sp in ni ng  Spark  22:33, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * (crossposted) No, I did not copy it, I applied the epithet simply as something well known. It is actually quite by accident that the footnote happens to be pointing to a page which also uses it.  The footnote was put in to support a rather more controversial claim regarding Pupin.  Let's just agree to leave it out of the article.  Sp in ni  ng  Spark  09:34, 3 October 2008 (UTC)


 * This search of Google Scholar reveals that it is a very common epithet even in academic papers. But I will not put it back in with hundreds of citations, that would be WP:POINT.  Sp in ni  ng  Spark  16:21, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Block
No Prob Dloh  cierekim  02:21, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

edit summaries
I'm not opposing the renamings going on, but i noticed Juliancotton was doing incorrect renamings. I informed him of his mistake and i commented also about his edit summaries, so to avoid confusion i feel i need to comment about the edit summaries to you too. It's just that in your edit summaries it is a bit chafing to assert that it is a wp:NRHP consensus. It comes across as argumentative to me, because there was/is not a unanimous consensus; i didn't see a proper final summary/conclusion coda in the discussion. I don't know, maybe some followup in the wt:NRHP discussion, or in the edit summaries describing it as "according to reported near-consensus at wt:NRHP" or something milder would be better. Not terribly important, but some nod to those who were not on board could be diplomatic. I wouldn't have said anything, but the edit summaries in Juliancotton's context were a bit egregious. doncram (talk) 16:23, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * i accept what you say about it being a consensus. You can choose to comment or not at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places, i was just trying to help.  Not a biggie. doncram (talk) 17:07, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

You're coming to WTM 2?
Dang, that'll be GREAT. I've been hoping for a long time to meet you in person, because I am going as well with my father. Hope to see you there :) - <FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE="-1" COLOR="red">Mitch</FONT>32(UP) 21:11, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It's definitely not too late to register. In contrast to last time, we've gotten rid of some of the silly restrictions.  You can check-in in person that afternoon if you want.  If you still have ny number, call my cell if you're unsure of anything (or I can call you).--Pharos (talk) 02:46, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I got 5th place, Daniel :) - won some prizes along with my dad - I'm happy.<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE="-1" COLOR="red">Mitch</FONT>32(UP) 14:17, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Storm King Highway

 * I really enjoyed reading the article and that overview picture is GREAT! I'll have to look it up if I ever get back to NY.  Royal broil  13:01, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

The WikiProject Novels Newsletter - October 2008

 * Newsletter delivery by xenobot  13:08, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: I'm a PC
Hey. Some pretty unpleasant things to had to say about my motives there, Dan. As well, i think you missed the point that it wasn't just about the irony, but that the commercials all feature those users who are known Mac users, or maybe the point that Mac-icons were removed from scenes where the folk claiming "I'm a PC" were digitally scrubbed as well as the scrubbing of the press images. Criticism emerged for that, and it was notable. And by the way, I use both platforms, but I wrote the article not because Apple is too stupid to get out the way of its own ego, or that MS is so large that they literally don't know how their product is being sold. I wrote it because after MS was caught, it tried to erase the very fact that it made a mistake. That in itself isn't notable (though slimy). That notable, citable folk caught them at it is. - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  03:44, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Ku Klux Kunt
Hey! If you've got time, could you look at this? I think Kunta1988 should be acceptable given his explanation. Just wondering what your opinion is. Cheers, Master of Puppets  <sub style="color:#7d7d7d">Call me MoP! :)  03:50, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Another admin denied that unblock request, so he filed one asking to be renamed here; I unblocked due to that. Thanks for the prompt reply by the way! :D Cheers, Master of Puppets  <sub style="color:#7d7d7d">Call me MoP! :)  04:33, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: Newburgh-Beacon Ferry
Hey, no problem. I've been considering another category for Transportation in Albany County, but I'm worried that it'll drain other Albany County-related articles. DanTD (talk) 22:09, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: DYK'd John F. Cotton Corporate Wellness Center
Thanks for the DYK notice. Regards. - AnakngAraw (talk) 21:31, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Qwerspam
If you're around and have a spare moment, could you take a look at User talk:Qwerspam please? Thanks! Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 20:01, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

November NYC Meetup
Hi Daniel. We've started the Meetup/NYC page, and scheduled it for Sunday November 16, but we're still unsure what building on the Columbia campus will be the venue. It would be great if you could clarify soon whether holding it at Lerner Hall will be possible or not. Thanks for your help!--Pharos (talk) 16:33, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK
Update overdue. Thanks. Chergles (talk) 22:21, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

new NHL for First Reformed Protestant Dutch Church of Kingston
Okay, great news. There is a sandbox article about First Reformed Protestant Dutch Church of Kingston, pre-prepared at WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NHLsandbox7.

It has the nomination document included and it has a historic pic already. It would be great to get your newer pics, and make a nice article certainly for prompt DYK nomination. I'd also like to do a wikinews article, would you be into helping with that too?

Let's talk about the name of the article and/or other issues in the corresponding Talk page. I won't move it into mainspace right this moment. If you want to move it there, and start the DYK clock ticking and so on, that is okay by me. I just would prefer that we develop this already-started-version, not start a brand new article. doncram (talk) 23:22, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I bet it is indeed hard to photograph. What a tall steeple!  Apparent in the old HABS pic in the sandbox version.  I wonder if you took pics from the same angles as in the HABS pic set. doncram (talk) 23:56, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

User:Millzi
I just blocked the above chap indef for this edit. Hope you don't mind! Chase me ladies, I&#39;m the Cavalry (talk) 14:10, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Little context in Category talk:Production histories of films
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DYKs

 * Congratulations on 150 Did you know articles! I have... 5 so far (1 pending), so a bit far behind you :-) I looked for a medal of some sort, but there doesn't seem to be one for this milestone. Oh well, great work - keep on writing! Best wishes, and have a nice weekend. -- How do you turn this on (talk) 00:50, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Lil help with an edit war?
Last month, you unbanned a user, Westrim when he gave assurances that he would not continue to edit war. Well, he is now edit warring on two fronts in the same article. See edit history here:. Could you please take some action? Thanks. The warning diff is here: --Nukes4Tots (talk) 20:59, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

U.S. Post Office disambiguation
Hi -- Thanks for relinking 14 NYS post offices within the U.S. Post Office disambiguation page. It's unfinished, under construction, and I had not in fact lost the links that your edit summary implied.... they were all down in a section at the bottom holding all the previous page's bluelinks: U.S. Post Office, yet to be merged. Your edit saves some steps for me though, so thanks.

By the way, i intend to further edit those 14 NYS post office links, to show their actual article names, per wp:MOSDAB guidelines. In general, I think NRHP list-articles should show NRHP names for sites, and I just created redirects for all of the NRIS names like "US Post Office-Beacon", but disambig pages are not NRHP pages. So I hope you don't mind my changing the ones you just edited, from "U.S. Post Office (Beacon, New York)|US Post Office-Beacon" to "U.S. Post Office (Beacon, New York)", etc. doncram (talk) 04:35, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Ah, sorry
So many biographical pages at "Recent changes" that look like yours, and I failed to see "User:". In any case, may I ask why you've linked these chronological items? New guidelines don't cover personal space, sure, but I'm intrigued ... Tony  (talk)  02:42, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, Daniel. Tony   (talk)  02:48, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you!
This diff absolutely made my day. I saw Cal Cooper on the mainpage before I even knew it was accepted/approved. I like your MacBeth comment :-). Thanks for putting the article through!  See you around, 75.161.233.85 (talk) 02:46, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

westrim block
I looked over your recent edits after Nuke4Tots informed me of your recent edit warring. Accordingly, I have imposed a 24-hour block on your account plus the 17 hours that remained on the block I lifted on it last month.

Since you have remained civil during this, I decided not to give you a templated notice. But the fact is that you can't use other Wikipedia articles as sources. Period. It doesn't matter how long they've survived ... remember that the infamous Seigenthaler edits were in that article for months. To not only insist on this but reinstate it several times when removed on the rationale that it's been vetted in those articles is rather egregious edit warring. I have to block you again. Daniel Case (talk) 01:53, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the courtesy of not putting up the official notice but the block still smarts. Did you read both discussions an the talk page, and the one on the talk page of the 3rd opinion editor? Because a few hours (with no intervening conversation) before he asked you to block me, I had just told the editor This flag once was red that if nukes4tots continued to refuse to AGF and stop accusing me of trying to violate consensus that I would go to wikiquette alerts with the problem.
 * Also, the edit war was on one topic, not two, as he claimed, and the edit war is mutual, so I feel singled out when I get blocked and Koalorka, who was using the edit summary to yell at me and accuse me of vandalism, is not. I try to follow the order of dispute resolution, but I'm learning here that it's perfectly fine to skip that and go right to requesting blocks, which will be granted without asking the blocked editor for an explanation first. That doesn't seem right at all.
 * "Deep breath, moving away from anger."
 * Yes, I do remember reading about Seigenthaler, but its entry on those lists had survived several edits and the removal of various other weapons. I had also found several forums with comments on its use and pictures of Mexican military with it, although, being forums, they could not be used as sources. I tried to navigate some weapons sites, but got nowhere or to yet more forums.
 * Regardless, I explicitly said that I was not using the Wikipedia articles themselves as a source, but the sources on those articles as the source. There were several external links and sources (although a couple have been removed since this began several weeks ago) that appeared to have the info, but I couldn't navigate them to find the specific mentions of the P90 due to the language barrier. I invited Koalorka repeatedly to check with the editors of those two articles for their perspective but was ignored, as were my other questions.
 * Looking back, I can see how my edit summaries and talk page comments could be interpreted to read as though I was using the articles themselves as references, but I assure that was not my intent, and until these two discussions are resolved to the satisfaction of an outside editor, I pledge not to edit the article itself, only the talk page and other, unrelated, articles. But to continue the discussions, (again, only on the talk page) I need to be unblocked. Or here: if I edit the article AT ALL for the next week or so, feel free to ban me and my other account (Westrim2) for as long as you deem proper. But please, take off the block. Westrim (talk) 17:46, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I just realized that at the same time Nukes was posting his message to you he also left a message in the section above, which was my copy of my conversation with the 3rd opinion editor. That makes it clear to me that he had seen that I intended to report his behavior and decided to head me off. I hereby request a block of Nukes4Tots for his malicious behavior. Westrim (talk) 01:53, 22 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't know if you got my response to your email but if you didn't, I'd rather say it here. We can discuss this at AN/I after the block expires if you want. Since policy is clear on not using our own articles as sources (it hasn't occurred to you that you might be able to put the footnotes from those articles next to the entries, and if you feel you need to be assured about them we have plenty of Spanish-reading editors who would gladly verify them for you), and you continued to reinsert the edits with the same reasoning, I feel they were on solid ground reverting edits clearly against policy and thus they weren't edit-warring. Daniel Case (talk) 18:09, 22 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry about the delay, connectivity trouble (The sooner I get a new router, the better). No, I didn't get your email, not sure why. I was hoping to get the block overturned rather than merely expired, as that looks and sound better, but oh well.
 * I've clearly stated both here and on the P90 talk page that I wasn't using wiki articles as references, so I don't know what I can do to convince you of that when you don't respond to what I said. Koalorka was the one who had a problem with the entries, so I was trying to encourage him to check with the editors, rather than simply dismissing the entries and me. As I've said, my reasoning was misinterpreted as being solely based on the articles which is mostly my fault for not being clear.
 * I do feel that Koalorka was edit warring, as exemplified by the edit summary here []: regardless of right or wrong I don't see how an edit summary like that could not be considered edit warring (as Nukes4tots only reverted it once, I don't view him as a participant in this disagreement). Both editors have been extremely unwilling to court different viewpoints, as shown by their responses both in the two current disagreements, and two several weeks ago that are undoubtedly affecting attitudes now, linked to here [] and here []. I do hope that you will consider these links in your next response. Westrim (talk) 14:41, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Copy of discussion moved from my talk page to yours. I do hope that you will read my responses and respond back. Westrim (talk) 14:03, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Elting Memorial Library
Hi. I've nominated Elting Memorial Library, an article you worked on, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Did you know. You can see the hook for the article at Template talk:Did you know, where you can improve it if you see fit. --otherlleft (talk) 14:43, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Well the DYK went to New Paltz (village), New York rather than the library, which was a peculiar choice to me but I'm pretty new to all of that. Thought I would let you know!  Oh, and I see your expertise seems to cover the same parts of New York State as my own - perhaps we've had a similar migratory path?--otherlleft (talk) 14:43, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

It didn't occur to me that it was a mistake, actually - I figured the rules and machinations were just more obscure than I had realized. Wikipedia is a strange animal, absolutely accessible and completely inscrutable all at the same time!--otherlleft (talk) 15:55, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

contributing property
I had always understood that the contributing property bit was used specifically when the building was not independently listed on the register. AT least that's how I've seen it used up to now the few times it has been showing up. Circeus (talk) 19:56, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Jesse49
Thanks for blocking that user, I appericate it. - <small style="border:1px solid #990000;padding:1px;"> NeutralHomer •  Talk  • October 30, 2008 @ 02:31

WikiProject New Jersey Newsletter (October 2008)

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I saw that you recently warned this username for violating WP:U, but I can't see how this username is inappropriate. The bot only reports usernames with pwn/own to WP:UAA because they are common in vandalism only accounts, which this one is not. I would recommend you withdraw your warning as this user actually shows some potential of becoming a contributor and we would not want to frighten them off. Icewedge (talk) 07:24, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

The WikiProject Novels Newsletter - November 2008
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Re: User: Udom N. Tantiprasongchai
I just saw that appropriate block that you put on. I noticed all his abuses but the link with him and that airline didn't click. As just a suggestion, maybe one of us could e-mail the website, InvestigateUdom to let them know what he has been trying to do.

Cheers,

--Loy Wong (talk) 07:54, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

User:76.167.244.204 aka Moleman9000
Just out of curiosity, how specific does a topic ban have to be? Would it be possible to offer him a reduced block in exchange from a topic ban from the CD-i games, or animation topics, since that seems to bring out the worst in him? Or do they have to be more specific than that. I agree with you that he's headed for a community ban, and thought that maybe making him contribute to other areas for a change might help. Just a thought. Templarion (talk) 01:56, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Whatever
Thanks for that completely unnecessary note. There is a user lurking at present whose comments are usually both blunt and obnoxious, and for all his claims of the need to improve articles, he has thus far only created more work courtesy of his substandard writing. But, no friendly warning for him, of course. Perhaps your user name should be mr. doublestandard. No more comment on my Talk Page - I'm not interested in hearing from you. Asgardian (talk) 20:32, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

NYC Meetup: You are invited!
In the afternoon, we will hold a session dedicated to meta:Wikimedia New York City activities, finalize and approve bylaws, interact with representatives from the Software Freedom Law Center, and hold salon-style group discussions on Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects (see the June meeting's minutes and the September meeting's minutes).

We'll also review our recent Wikis Take Manhattan event, and make preparations for our exciting successor Wikipedia Loves Art! bonanza, being planned with the Brooklyn Museum for February.

In the evening, we'll share dinner and chat at a local restaurant, and (weather permitting) hold a late-night astronomy event at Columbia's telescopes.

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Re: "Newburgh-Beacon Ferry"
Thanks. - TITAN O  SAURUS  20:55, 8 November 2008 (UTC)