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Administrators' newsletter – January 2019
News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2018).

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 * R4 (new): Redirects in the file namespace (and no file links) that have the same name as a file or redirect at Commons are now covered under the new R4 criterion (discussion).  This is db-redircom; the text is unchanged.
 * G13 (expanded): Userspace drafts containing only the default Article Wizard text are now covered under G13 along with other drafts (discussion). Such blank drafts are now eligible after six months rather than one year, and taggers continue to use db-blankdraft.
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Arbitration
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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:38, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your advice
Very appreciate your advice regarding the review of topic ban. An appeal requesting the review has been placed. Peace, JohnThorne (talk) 01:54, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – February 2019
News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2019). Administrator changes
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 * A request for comment closed with a consensus in favor of deprecating The Sun as a permissible reference, and creating an edit filter to warn users who attempt to cite it.

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 * A discussion regarding an overhaul of the format and appearance of Requests for page protection is in progress (permalink). The proposed changes will make it easier to create requests for those who are not using Twinkle. The workflow for administrators at this venue will largely be unchanged. Additionally, there are plans to archive requests similar to how it is done at WP:PERM, where historical records are kept so that prior requests can more easily be searched for.

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:15, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Year in country category
Hi FL

Long time no talk. Hope you are well.

As part of my campaign vendetta against year/decade.century parameters in by-year templates, I have been trying to figure out how to convert some of the old-style templates to ignore the redundant parameters pending their removal.

I think I have got this working at Template:Year in country category. I now have it set up so it will accept either the old hideously long set, or a shortened set of parameters. Details at Template:Year in country category/doc.

I have tested the new shortened param form on various categories, and I think I have now a setup which doesn't break anywhere for years >= 100 AD.

When I have satisfied myself that it's all working OK, I will add it to the categories which are using clumsier templates such as Year by category, and rip out the redundant parameters from existing uses. Then I can start implementing the handling of name changes.

But before I do that, two heads are better than one. You know these categories better than anyone, so I was wondering whether you might have a little time to try some destructive testing and see if you can find any categories where the new shortened form doesn't work.

Best wishes, -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:42, 23 February 2019 (UTC) but the first line of the old version says "Topics specifically related to the year, which will always be a bluelink. If   exists, then it adds a new line: "Main article:
 * Hi Great plan! I note that an additional row of < > appears only where new-style parameters are used, e.g. Category:1908 in France, but does not appear where the old style is in use, e.g. Category:1908 in Poland. Did you decide not to bother implementing the new decade row in the old-style case, since it will become obsolete?
 * Also, can we improve the documentation for using the alternative variable for "member states" of United Kingdom, Soviet Union and Yugoslavia? Should they be categorised by continent and country, or just by country? If the latter, the country should be the second parameter, not the third. If the former, then the template will not handle former Soviet states that are in both Europe and Asia. E.g. Category:1949 in Georgia (country) currently has Soviet Union added as a separate line, rather than within the category.
 * When you purge the old parameters, could you also check for cases like where prefix-words "Socialist Republic of " ought to be moved from the current fifth to the final parameter, in order to sort by the short name?  (Forget this if you can do what I suggest below; sorting by "Socialist" is not a disaster… or could be countered by even more clever but fiddly stuff at a later date.)
 * TBH I was expecting to read that you were going the whole hog and dispensing with all parameters by using a lookup like the one in Template:YearInCountryPortalBox. If you were to do that, there would be no need to edit the category pages to remove the redundant parameters. Would that be harder than I realise? – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:06, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * (ec) Tks, FL.
 * The decades links are one of the features of the new version at /core.
 * Basically, what I did was to:
 * move Template:Year in country category to Template:Year in country category/old
 * create a new Template:Year in country category, which evaluates the parameters
 * if the parameters include the, then it calls /old Otherwise it calls the new Template:Year in country category/core
 * There are a few other subtle tweaks in the output of the new version, e.g.
 * uses Module:Navseasoncats/navyear for the years nav, to avoid writing duplicate code
 * the first line of the old version said "Articles and events specifically related to the year, which in most cases created a redlink;
 * It seemed to me to be unhelpful to ever have only a redlink at the top, and best to always have a direct link to the country. However, I'm not sure whether the redlink maybe should be included. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:00, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I would not display the redlinks, as in many cases there would be no benefit in creating a page.
 * You haven't replied to my last paragraph. If you were to use a script to identify the "second part" of the category name (as you have elsewhere), then you could use a table to look up the parent country/continent(s), and automate the whole thing. In some instances, the parents would depend on date ranges. It would take some work, but save 14,000 boring edits to pages that currently use old-style parameters.
 * Later on, other topics could be treated the same way, but it makes sense to tackle countries first. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:23, 26 February 2019 (UTC)


 * I see you are most of the way there now with implementing the template as it stands, instead of automating the parents for continents as I suggested above. Fair enough.
 * I have done the series for (Socialist) Republic of Macedonia, moving "Republic of" between parameters as I suggested above, up to 2018. I've left 2019 onwards, as "North Macedonia" parents have not yet been created for 21st century and 2010s (the latter would only hold 2019). From 1919 to 1990 I parented it in Yugoslavia but not Europe.
 * You said that you'll give attention to name changes later – that will get interesting. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:01, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Revisions to Mark Pigott's wiki article
Several of the changes I made on Mark Pigott's page yesterday were typo corrections that you have since overwritten. PACCAR should always be spelled in ALL CAPS. Two sections were removed also that I don't understand. One was a section called "Environmental Leadership" and the other was a Quote by Mark Pigott. The Sandbox is current with all the updated facts. Is it possible to put those changes on the production version?

WebSolEditor (talk) 17:57, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 * To keep all the discussion in one place, I replied at Talk:Mark_Pigott.
 * When you contribute on talk pages, please indent your replies by using colons at the beginning of each new paragraph. This makes it easier to see the start of each reply by another person. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:39, 28 February 2019 (UTC)


 * I will do this from now on. WebSolEditor (talk) 16:45, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Category query
Hello, Fayenatic london,

I've run into a puzzling situation that I can not figure out and I hope you might help me. I ran into Category:Dart games on the Database list for Empty Categories. When I looked into tagging it CSD C1, the category now has contents, a few dart games (such as Dartball). But when I checked those articles to see when the category was added, the category, Dart games, isn't listed on the articles. I looked at the Edit History and it doesn't show that the category was recently added or removed.

I went into Edit mode to see if this was somehow a hidden category and did a text search and Category:Dart games doesn't appear anywhere on the page. So, there was a dart template (Template:Darts) present on these articles and I went to see if the template automatically added the category to the articles where the template appears...but this doesn't seem to be the case either.

I looked to see if there was a previously existing version of this category that had been deleted before but it is brand new according to the page log. I thought the category might have been moved from one title to a new one, but there is no trace of that either.

So, we have this little category, Category:Dart games, that contains articles but the articles don't show the category assigned to them. Any ideas what might be going on? Or do I just need to get more sleep? Liz Read! Talk! 02:29, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Edit the category page. It doesn't contain articles after all, it just lists them. Newbie at work! – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:42, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
 * D'oh! I don't know what else to say. I usually notice when the editor has written content on the category instead of assigning articles to the category. But I missed it this time. Thanks for noticing! Category tagged. Liz Read! Talk! 02:29, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – March 2019
News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2019).

Administrator changes
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Interface administrator changes
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CheckUser changes
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Oversight changes
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 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg Ks0stm • Sphilbrick

Guideline and policy news
 * The RfC on administrator activity requirements failed to reach consensus for any proposal.
 * Following discussions at the Bureaucrats' noticeboard and Wikipedia talk:Administrators, an earlier change to the restoration of adminship policy was reverted. If requested, bureaucrats will not restore administrator permissions removed due to inactivity if there have been five years without a logged administrator action; this "five year rule" does not apply to permissions removed voluntarily.

Technical news
 * A new tool is available to help determine if a given IP is an open proxy/VPN/webhost/compromised host.

Arbitration
 * The Arbitration Committee announced two new OTRS queues. Both are meant solely for cases involving private information; other cases will continue to be handled at the appropriate venues (e.g., WP:COIN or WP:SPI).
 *  has been set up to receive private evidence related to abusive paid editing.
 *  has been set up to receive private requests for CheckUser. For instance, requests for IP block exemption for anonymous proxy editing should now be sent to this address instead of the functionaries-en list.

Miscellaneous
 * Following the 2019 Steward Elections, the following editors have been appointed as stewards: Base, Einsbor, Jon Kolbert, Schniggendiller, and Wim b.

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:12, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Request to reverse deleted category
I need to have Category:Civil Rights Movement restored as a soft redirect. I am trying to set-up the WikiProject Deletion sorting/Civil Rights Movement on the WikiProject Deletion sorting/Flat within topic section A–D. The "Category" entry remains as a redlink despite the existence of Category:Civil rights movement. For some reason, the "Category" entry is recognized on WikiProject Deletion sorting/Civil Rights Movement in the Template:Topic bar at the top of the page. Mitchumch (talk) 11:16, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) You don't need a redirect. The topic template just needed the "category=" parameter stating the appropriate capitalisation, . If you get redlinks from templates like that, first look at the template page, as there will probably already be a way to fix it. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:27, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
 * It didn't occur to me to look at the template. I fixed it.  Thanks. Mitchumch (talk) 11:35, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I think you will find that I fixed it for you.
 * The issue was on WikiProject Deletion sorting/Flat and Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Civil Rights Movement. See this diff. However, I would not have been able to fix it without your insight.  I appreciate it. Mitchumch (talk) 11:47, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Why don't you do the whole thing using lowercase anyway? – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:37, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
 * The capitalization issue was discussed at Portal talk:Civil rights movement in section Requested move 14 March 2018. Mitchumch (talk) 11:47, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Northampton
Thanks for withdrawing the CFD of Category:Religion in Northampton, and congrats on finding the Northampton Medieval Synagogue, I had been looking for one, but hadn't reckoned it was medieval! -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:58, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
 * And thank you for proving me wrong by populating the category! For info, I found that one using Search, rather than looking in parent categories (as you may have done).
 * I would have changed the nomination to Rename to "Christianity" if I hadn't found that article. Most of the others in Category:Religion in England by city have a Christianity sub-cat; is it worth creating that here? – it would be well-populated, but would leave only the synagogue article directly in the Religion category; or a new Places of worship sub-category, like several other cities. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:32, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

People of African descent
Hi. I noticed that you're removing everyone from Category:Trinidad and Tobago people of African descent per the CFD, but that you haven't replaced them with another category. Since the category was containerised, can you ensure that the people removed are placed in an appropriate subcat? Thanks. Guettarda (talk) 11:02, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
 * No, but I have left links at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2019_February_5 to the diffs, so that other interested editors could attempt this for the cases where the significant origin of the person's ancestors is documented. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:15, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Congress Poland chronology categories
I'm afraid that I don't understand the plan here. Are we saying that Congress Poland is not worthy to have "by year / decade / century" tree structures? Or are we saying that it should have them but each of them is a sub-category of the equivalent cat in Poland? Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:20, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * All that I've established was that in that discussion there was no consensus to create "by year / decade / century" tree structures (chronology hierarchy) for Congress Poland. There is no master plan for what is worthy to be created. Perhaps you might consider starting an RFC with a proposal to split the Poland chronology to Congress Poland, Duchy of Warsaw, Province of Posen or whatever you consider helpful for certain periods. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:24, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I was already doing just that before it was nixed by BHG.This interval has been a huge waste of time when I could have been doing something constructive. Laurel Lodged (talk) 18:09, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
 * No, @Laurel Lodged, I did not "nix" any proposal.
 * I reverted your botched implementation of your preferred solution while it was still contested, and before a consensus had been reached.
 * If you actually want to do something constructive, then make that proposal at CFD or RFC, and see if there is consensus for it. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:48, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Should I be creeped out or you? At least 1 of us is being stalked. Maybe we should just be flattered. Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:53, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * "You talkin' to me?" Please see the TPS notice at the top of this page.
 * It sounds like you have knowledge of the topic and some ideas in mind already, so why don't you just get on with publishing your proposal for this matter? – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:00, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Opposed CFD Category:Religious organisations in Serbia
Hi FL, I was surprised by this revert.

@Armbrust hasn't struck their oppose, and it doesn't seem to me that the nominator's  striking of part of the nom invalidates the oppose. I actually disagree with Armbrust on this, but their oppose still stands. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:42, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * does this explain it? Only the S to Z was opposed, not the "based in", and Oculi withdrew the opposed part of the change. – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:49, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I hadn't spotted that the nom had been changed to retain the "S". Thanks for explaining ... and query withdrawn -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs)

Administrators' newsletter – April 2019
News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2019).

Administrator changes
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 * In Special:Preferences under "Appearance" → "Advanced options", there is now an option to show a confirmation prompt when clicking on a rollback link.
 * The Wikimedia Foundation's Community health initiative plans to design and build a new user reporting system to make it easier for people experiencing harassment and other forms of abuse to provide accurate information to the appropriate channel for action to be taken. Please see meta:Community health initiative/User reporting system consultation 2019 to provide your input on this idea.

Arbitration
 * The Arbitration Committee clarified that the General 1RR prohibition for Palestine-Israel articles may only be enforced on pages with the ARBPIA 1RR editnotice edit notice.

Miscellaneous
 * Two more administrator accounts were compromised. Evidence has shown that these attacks, like previous incidents, were due to reusing a password that was used on another website that suffered a data breach. If you have ever used your current password on any other website, you should change it immediately. All admins are strongly encouraged to enable two-factor authentication, please consider doing so. Please always practice appropriate account security by ensuring your password is secure and unique to Wikimedia.
 * As a reminder, according to WP:NOQUORUM, administrators looking to close or relist an AfD should evaluate a nomination that has received few or no comments as if it were a proposed deletion (PROD) prior to determining whether it should be relisted.

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:57, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Esports lowercase
Hi! As per consensus on "esports" spelling, it should be capitalized as per normal grammar rules, i.e. at the start of a sentence. So there's no need for lowercase title for categories (or articles). — HELL KNOWZ   ▎TALK 11:06, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for that clarification. I found it used on (I thought) a majority of category pages, but perhaps that was for eSports, which is now deprecated. I will revert/remove it. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:27, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

ArbCom 2019 special circular
   

This message was sent to all administrators following a recent motion. Thank you for your attention. For the Arbitration Committee, Cameron11598 03:02, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Administrator account security (Correction to Arbcom 2019 special circular)
ArbCom would like to apologise and correct our previous mass message in light of the response from the community.

Since November 2018, six administrator accounts have been compromised and temporarily desysopped. In an effort to help improve account security, our intention was to remind administrators of existing policies on account security — that they are required to "have strong passwords and follow appropriate personal security practices." We have updated our procedures to ensure that we enforce these policies more strictly in the future. The policies themselves have not changed. In particular, two-factor authentication remains an optional means of adding extra security to your account. The choice not to enable 2FA will not be considered when deciding to restore sysop privileges to administrator accounts that were compromised.

We are sorry for the wording of our previous message, which did not accurately convey this, and deeply regret the tone in which it was delivered.

For the Arbitration Committee, -Cameron11598 21:03, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – May 2019
News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2019).

Administrator changes
 * Gnome-colors-list-add.svg HickoryOughtShirt?4 • RexxS
 * Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg Necrothesp
 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg Bratsche • Kyle Barbour • Kzollman • Madman

Interface administrator changes
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Bureaucrat changes
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CheckUser changes
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Guideline and policy news
 * A request for comment concluded that creating pages in the portal namespace should be restricted to autoconfirmed users.
 * Following a request for comment, the subject-specific notability guideline for pornographic actors and models (WP:PORNBIO) was removed; in its place, editors should consult WP:ENT and WP:GNG.

Technical news
 * XTools Admin Stats, a tool to list admins by administrative actions, has been revamped to support more types of log entries such as AbuseFilter changes. Two additional tools have been integrated into it as well: Steward Stats and Patroller Stats.

Arbitration
 * In response to the continuing compromise of administrator accounts, the Arbitration Committee passed a motion amending the procedures for return of permissions (diff). In such cases, the committee will review all available information to determine whether the administrator followed "appropriate personal security practices" before restoring permissions; administrators found failing to have adequately done so will not be resysopped automatically.  All current administrators have been notified of this change.
 * Following a formal ratification process, the arbitration policy has been amended (diff). Specifically, the two-thirds majority required to remove or suspend an arbitrator now excludes (1) the arbitrator facing suspension or removal, and (2) any inactive arbitrator who does not respond within 30 days to attempts to solicit their feedback on the resolution through all known methods of communication.

Miscellaneous
 * A request for comment is currently open to amend the community sanctions procedure to exclude non XfD or CSD deletions.
 * A proposal to remove pre-2009 indefinite IP blocks is currently open for discussion.

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:37, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Surname Russo.
Dear Fayenatic london, the page about the surname Russo is misleading and full of unnecessary and false informations. Russo is a common italian last name, simply derived from a nickname used to designate people with reddish hair and it does not indicate nobility. Please accept by contributions, I just translated the italian page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nomenomenom (talk • contribs) 07:38, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I have copied the above to Talk:Russo. Please discuss the matter there. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:53, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of List of Star Trek animals for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article List of Star Trek animals is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/List of Star Trek animals until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Jtrainor (talk) 02:02, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Misuse of administrative tools
I am a little disturbed by your actions. You became personally involved in a content dispute when you reverted my actions. You have done this before and after blocking me? JorgeLaArdilla (talk) 08:03, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm pleased to see that you are using talk pages to discuss some matters now.
 * Are you talking about me reverting this clumsy edit, where you reintroduced various blatant errors as well as non-standard practices?
 * You were requested on your talk page to follow WP:MOSAR. You made no response.
 * You were also requested to undo the other moves you had made in contravention of that policy. Again, you made no response, and appeared to ignore the request.
 * If I remember correctly, you made a further move in contravention of MOSAR. That, combined with refusal to discuss, amounted to disruptive editing in my view.
 * I added a brief sanction, to wake you up to the seriousness of your conduct, and repaired some of the moves and edits that you had made which appeared to be clear errors.
 * If you consider that I went too far and my conduct was misuse, please specify the edits concerned. You would need to provide links to diffs; see WP:DIFF if you don't know how. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:22, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' noticeboard
I have addressed these issues at User talk:Mike Selinker. Following that unsatisfactory outcome I have mentioned you at Administrators' noticeboard JorgeLaArdilla (talk) 05:20, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents
I have raised the issue at the above, where I believe it should have been raised instead of Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard. JorgeLaArdilla (talk) 07:23, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Template:FictionSetDecade
I saw that this template & BDDecadesInCenturyNoHyphen are in need of updating per the recent CfD @ Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 14. Instead of going through the trouble of maintaining this navbar:

what would you say to using Navseasoncats with centuries below decade (analogous to Navseasoncats with decades below year) instead:

?  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  12:28, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Tom – sorry, I thought I had replied to this. I support your suggestion as an improvement. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:58, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Wacky Categories
Hello, Fayenatic london,

I hope you are well. I was looking at the Special Pages Wanted Categories list and ran into two very odd categories. I looked at the pages where they were applied and can't see a way to remove them from the articles. I was hoping you'd know what was up. Here they are:

Category:Articles_with_unsourced_statements_from_October_2017_https://www.lasu.edu.ng/2-featured-articles/428-advertisement-for-admission-into-lasu-pre-degree-studies-for-2018-2019-calendar-year.html&action=edit&redlink=1 (on Lagos State University) and

Category:Articles_with_unsourced_statements_from_http://roundtableindia.co.in/index.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26view%3Darticle%26id%3D5035:i-hid-everything-i-wrote-for-20-years%26catid%3D127:post-ambedkar-leaders%26Itemid%3D158&action=edit&redlink=1 (on Babytai Kamble).

Thanks for any help you can supply. Liz Read! Talk! 04:17, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
 * (TPS). The problem is caused by CN tags that have been messed up. DexDor(talk) 05:26, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, DexDor! Liz Read! Talk! 05:18, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I have requested a fix at Template talk:Citation needed. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:17, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Fayenatic. You are always so helpful and I appreciate it. Liz Read! Talk! 00:47, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

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 * Just a notice, I wasn't the one who opened it nor am I involved DannyS712 (talk) 05:25, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:1168 establishments in North America


A tag has been placed on Category:1168 establishments in North America requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Liz Read! Talk! 02:46, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. did you do this based on a precedent at CFD? – Fayenatic  L ondon 06:37, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Not exactly, it is in the spirit of the header of Category:Populated places by year of establishment which implies that an exact year for the establishment of a populated place is less likely to be known if it was before the year 1500. This case is even more troublesome because mentions 116 as the year of establishment instead of 1168 and other websites that I have seen contain an exact copy of the Wikipedia text. An explanation on how on earth they could ever establish the date of establishment that accurately is lacking. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:26, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
 * There's a case to answer re 116 or 1168, but the Mesoamericans were noted as competent with calendars. I can accept an exact date if it's stated in a historical record; it may be e.g. that a ruler relocated that year. IMHO we should accept one date or the other in good faith, and categorise accordingly, not rounding it off. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:51, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

A tag has been placed on Category:1160s establishments in North America requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines.

Also Category:1168 in North America. Liz Read! Talk! 03:26, 24 June 2019 (UTC)


 * For reference: Category:Populated places established in 1168 was merged to Category:Populated places established in the 12th century, see Categories_for_discussion/Log/2019_April_11. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:43, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

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East Timor
Cfds on organisations can take a variety of unexpected routes. This one seems to have been closed indefinitely although support for 'z' was clear (I would happily support 'z'), and the rfc does not seem to contain any argument in favour of 's' for East Timor. It's a little irritating that it is just sitting there pending, especially as Od Mishehu has fallen by the wayside. Any ideas? Oculi (talk) 19:06, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The rfc has just closed, so it is 'as you were'. Oculi (talk) 08:40, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I was going to suggest that I simply reopen the CFD. OK by you? – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:46, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, that would be excellent. Oculi (talk) 08:40, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Now relisted at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2019_June_23. Were there any others that were procedurally closed? – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:25, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks - that was the only outstanding one. There are not all that many left to do, as my only personal target was to remove 's' from 'z' trees and vice versa (which can be done speedily if there is a clear majority, unless people raise objections). There are a few irritating ones such as Greenland ('s' for some reason) which I might try. I suspect that if one were to try the UK, there would be an uproar. (The person who closed the RfC is from Queensland acc to their user page.) Indeed the only 50:50 one not yet at cfd is ; will wait a few days. Oculi (talk) 11:08, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Withdraw
Could you could please close and withdraw this one on my behalf? As I said the topic is unpredictable and gets either no comments or walls of text. Oculi (talk) 15:44, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 * You already have? I would have replied to the claim for uniformity.
 * I believe you can use WP:CFDWR yourself to list the cats for de-tagging. Only the main CFDW page is protected. Armbrust processes CFDWR under manual control. – Fayenatic  L ondon 06:08, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, I discovered how to do it. The people who object are usually people I have annoyed. I can bring it back in a few weeks; there is still Nigeria and 3 or 4 processing quicker than the RfC. Oculi (talk) 14:04, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Very unpredictable - Iraq sails through without opposition. A few have not as yet been renamed (eg ), because there are redirects in the targets. I see that you often delete these prior to the move. Oculi (talk) 12:08, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, although I try not to delete the older page in each case. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:57, 30 June 2019 (UTC)