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Oliver Strachey
Happy New Year JackofOz: - forgive me going back a bit but you wrote on Oliver Strachey's biog that he was accompanied on his world tour by Robert Bridges. I have come across a document recently that suggests he might not have been (at least in Australia). Do you have a source for Robert Bridges so I can match the two accounts up somehow? Cheers... Guy WF Loftus (talk) 09:57, 17 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi and HNY to you.
 * I'm afraid all I know of him is what I read in Holroyd's biography of Lytton, and added to the article. Best of luck. Cheers. --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  10:07, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Regarding...
...this, you put the "hat" in the wrong place. The entire section should be boxed up. --←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:56, 31 January 2022 (UTC)


 * That's rich, coming from the principal offender. The question was about bias in Wikipedia, and in DJT's article in particular - a perfectly acceptable question. The first few answers were about those exact topics - equally acceptable.
 * Then, thanks to you, it started degenerating into a side discussion of who was worse than whom, etc. All the participants should be taken out and shot, starting with the ringleader. --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  23:08, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Could you help
Hi User:JackofOz I saw you on recent edits and wondered if you could help. I am a new user and I wanted to create a redirect Snoochie Shy to BBC Radio 1Xtra as she is a presenter on the show. Could you please thanks Linda Binson (talk) 23:10, 31 January 2022 (UTC)


 * There's a draft article @ Draft:Snoochie Shy, so I'd prefer to let that take its course. Cheers. --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  23:15, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

I did not think Snoochie was notable to have her own article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Linda Binson (talk • contribs) 23:19, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I know nothing about her. Her notability, or lack thereof, is for others to determine, according to our protocols. --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  23:25, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Always precious
Ten years ago, you were found precious. That's what you are, always. 10 years ago, we talked about a Janacék opera, and I just saw another one, with another great singer, Elena Tsallagova, see my talk. No end of wonder. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:21, 13 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the memories, Gerda. -- Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  21:09, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Did you know that I forgot that Bach cantata was massively changed, and we have now two lists, and I have no idea what to do with them? Sorry I that looked only now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:12, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Chanson à bouche fermée --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:34, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Jehan Alain? -- Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  21:02, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
 * yes - sang it yesterday, making the new conductor happy who said it was the first live performance he heard --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:13, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
 * listen --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:49, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

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25 March: Bach
Today: Bach's No. 1. - Sad record: I brought three articles to the Recent deaths section, - not at the same time today but still ... - two of them from Ukraine, the third a Russian who left Moscow in 1990, and then went on to conduct the orchestra where my brother plays. I just listened to a live opera from Hannover, and after applause, the whole ensemble performed Prayer for Ukraine, and the announcer said they do that after every performance. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:57, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Sunday flowers and sounds, don't miss the extraordinary marriage of the beginnings of the theme of Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern, BWV 1, and Prayer for Ukraine - here! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:59, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

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Todd McKenney
Hi,

Thanks for your note. The practice of stating sexual orientation in an article is discriminatory if the practice is confined to a single orientation. I am unable to find notations indicating that you have updated the articles of straight people with their sexual orientation. For example, have you updated a profile with 'openly straight'? I understand that this was commonplace in previous decades, however it is not best practice now.

I mean no offence, and given your important contribution to this platform, I hope this will be of assistance to your efforts moving forward. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThefactsAUS (talk • contribs) 10:18, 1 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that. I still haven't tracked down our definitive policy/guideline/consensus on this issue. All I can say, though, is if we do as you propose in this article, we'd have to do it to literally thousands of others.
 * The fact that someone is "openly gay" usually means they have made statements to this effect, on the public record. That means we can report such statements as part of someone's biography. Such a statement would be made to inform people that the default assumption, viz. straightness, does not apply in their case; or to confirm common belief/supposition about the person's sexuality. Because, like it or not, despite all the advances we've made in the past decades, there is still a default assumption of straightness unless there is evidence to the contrary. That is why nobody ever talks about someone being "openly straight". It's fine for individuals to correct the public record about their sexuality, and it's just as fine for Wikipedia to note such statements. It's not discriminatory at all. --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  09:11, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Tragedies and Disasters
I searched Google and the ones I found were... the Great Chicago fire 1871, Hurricane Katrina 2005, San Francisco earthquake 1906, the sack of Rome, the 2011 Joplin tornado, the 1980 eruption of Mount St Helens and the attack on Pearl Harbor. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities#Tragedies_and_Disasters) 81.152.221.235 (talk) 21:06, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

If ScoMo was a little minister and had same friendly GG, could he make himself PM?
No. The Governor-General acts on advice from the Prime Minister only. --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  03:38, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Mind you, knowing what we know now about the Morrison arrangements, I suppose that, hypothetically, a prime minister could advise the governor-general to give another of his ministers the powers and prerogatives of a Prime Minister. Or all of his ministers. What an utterly bizarre Pandora's Box and can of worms has been opened here. --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  03:43, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 * check out the GG wikipedia page:
 * "In general, the governor-general observes the conventions of the Westminster system and responsible government, maintaining a political neutrality, and acts only on the advice of the prime minister or other ministers" 58.96.70.237 (talk) 00:32, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Sir David Smith death announcement
How can you say his death was announced on 17 August? The Canberra Times article was published on the 16th. StAnselm (talk) 05:44, 22 August 2022 (UTC)


 * I'd be pleased to be shown where it says 16 August. All I can see is "Updated August 17 2022 - 4:37pm, first published 5:30am". Cheers. --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  08:07, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, this is interesting. For me, it says "Updated August 16 2022 - 11:37pm, first published 12:30pm" - but I'm in a different time zone. It must be automatically adjusting - I didn't know news articles did that. So maybe the Executive Council of Australian Jewry's statement that he passed away on 17 August is correct after all. I didn't think it was possible. Anyway, this practice of dynamic dates for news reports is going to mess things up around here. StAnselm (talk) 13:59, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's a fascinating revelation. One that could be affecting a number of biographies where the precise date of an event comes down to the precise timing of a news article. I wasn't aware of the ECAJ's statement, but since it appears to be the only source that actually specifies Smith's date of death, I suggest we correct our article and use it as our source. Cheers. --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  20:54, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

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But...
... it was over a century after Chaucer's death! DuncanHill (talk) 20:01, 2 September 2022 (UTC)


 * More like three centuries, my friend. It was surely meant to mean Shakespeare got a memorial more than a century after his own death. Pax vobiscum. --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]

George Alexander Macfarren's Helvellyn (1864)
I hope you like it this English Opera, there https://operastory.co.uk/helvellyn-by-george-alexander-macfarren/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.77.115.80 (talk) 18:24, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Can you please transfer from Draft:Helvellyn (opera) to Helvellyn (opera) article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.170.119.38 (talk) 19:49, 2 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Done. Thanks for creating the article. --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  22:13, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

RfC on the "denials" phrase in WP:BLP
Hi JackofOz! The edit you made years ago to the BLP policy is currently being debated in this RfC. Feel free to also skim the discussion which led to it. DFlhb (talk) 01:37, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Happy Birthday!
 Wishing JackofOz a very happy birthday on behalf of the Birthday Committee!   Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 13:53, 12 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Wow, thank you. --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  18:20, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Mario or Maria
Thanks for your edit to Musicians at the Edinburgh International Festival, 1957–1966. I have answered on the talk page. You are probably right, though it does say Mario in the Souvenir Programme.  Klein zach  19:51, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Shelley's Heart
Hello

I have changed some of your edits. According to Bieri, Hunt stayed in his carriage when Shelley's remains were burned, and Byron swam out to his boat. There was a huge crowd of gawkers and Hunt and Byron wanted nothing to do with the undignified scene. Bieri and Hermoine Lee suggest that the organ retrieved from the funeral pyre was possibly Shelley's liver. Quite a few people claimed to have retrieved and preserved bits of Shelly from the pyre, and their stories changed over the years as they worked through their personal squabbles. I believe Mary Shelley claimed to have Shelley's jawbone in a bottle. The problem is that the Victorian age was one of great romantic myth making and Shelley was a prime focus of romantic myths. There's a case for removing the section on Shelley's heart altogether, but others have suggested it remain as a reality check to the myths repeated in the Mary Shelley wikipedia article. Happy to discuss. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 00:36, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

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 * Thank you. --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  20:53, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

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 * Thank you. --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  20:53, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Panto's
Hi, Jack! I know it looked wrong, so I won't revert your edit, but I believe panto's (also photo's) is technically OK, the apostrophe signalling an elision. (This is really an excuse to thank you for the wit and wisdom you contribute to the reference desks). Doug butler (talk) 21:56, 12 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks.
 * An elision would be like this: Panto's my favourite form of theatre'. There, panto's is short for "panto is". That's an elision. But a plain plural? Nah. Panto's as a plural is just as wrong as plane's, train's or automobile's. --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  03:34, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Mixing in &mdash; I think I understand the attraction of the pluralizing apostrophe here. The issue is that pantos looks like a word of Greek extraction, not necessarily plural, like kudos or pathos.  That's why for example I prefer the spelling zeroes to zeros &mdash; the latter looks like it's pronounced /ˈziː.rɒs/.
 * I don't know whether you could substitute pantoes here, but it would address the problem. ---Trovatore (talk) 04:29, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Panto's is short for pantomimes. Photo's for photographs. At the other end of the word 'planes is short for aeroplanes. The apostrophe marks the elision, as Doug said. The usage strikes me as a little old-fashioned and informal, the sort of thing one might find on a postcard from 1923 perhaps, but not objectionable. DuncanHill (talk) 04:46, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Interesting &mdash; that angle hadn't occurred to me. I'm sure Jack knows that there are other historically acceptable pluralizing apostrophes: p's and q's, do's and don'ts, Oakland A's, where it would just look weird and be hard to read if you didn't have something there.  These don't seem to have anything to do with elision.
 * In a similar vein, I sometimes use it when the thing being pluralized is a fixed identifier from a programming language. You can have an , but it seems wrong to say ndarrays, because it wouldn't compile (the compiler would be looking for an identifier with the s on the end), and it's a mixing of semantic levels.  I find that  is not a bad solution. --Trovatore (talk) 16:57, 13 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the delay, folks. I've been in hospital having triple bypass surgery. Out now, all good.
 * User:DuncanHill, if panto's is short for pantomimes, then panto' must be short for the singular. But we never write about a photo' of the panto'. Nor do we talk of 'planes or 'cellos. --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  09:51, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
 * 'Cello is not a good counter-example. Groves says it is not necessary but still common; my Macquarie mentions it as an option, and I find find thousands of examples, via Trove, in early 20th-century newspapers. Doug butler (talk) 13:12, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I have a friend from college who not infrequently relates on Facebook his adventures playing the 'cello. To me it comes across as just very slightly affected, but then he put in the work to learn the instrument and I didn't, so I'm not really in a position to criticize. --Trovatore (talk) 23:06, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
 * And Jack, happy for your successful outcome! Stay healthy and Merry Christmas! --Trovatore (talk) 23:08, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your good wishes, Trovatore. Before the op, various people told me how I was going to feel (bad) and how difficult life was going to be for quite a while, etc etc. But I recovered so quickly that my surgeon let me out a day early. I feel very blessed, and I feel fine. On the home front, I have to take things quietly for a few weeks, and it's great to have a supportive partner who can step up to the plate, and do so magnificently and willingly.


 * Merry Christmas to you and yours too. --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  03:02, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delay in replying, I think your triple-bypass beats my stent after an anterior STEMI which made my Summer rather more interesting than I wanted it to be. Glad to hear all is well, and here's to a better 2023 for all of us. DuncanHill (talk) 22:43, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, DuncanHill. So far, 2023 is proceeding very satisfactorily (we're almost 10 hours in). May it continue. Best to you and yours. --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  22:45, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Where to Start
Hello, I need direction citing specific names,locations,dates when referencing information. Would you be so KIND as to provide a clear example? Iluvnerds3 (talk) 16:28, 22 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi. I think you'd benefit most by by posting your question to the Help desk. Cheers. --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  22:13, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!
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 * Thank you, and the same to you. :) --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  01:18, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Marina draft
Look this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Marina_(Arrieta) 176.32.20.177 (talk) 19:51, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I made a few quick tweaks. --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  19:58, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * There's more https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Robin_Hood_(Macfarren) 176.32.20.177 (talk) 12:02, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

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Thank you for improving Jessye Norman! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:24, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
 * :) --   Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  08:43, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

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May pleasantry
my story today is that 300 years ago today, Bach became Thomaskantor, with BWV 75, writing music history. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:47, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I love such anniversaries. Thanks, Gerda. --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  21:43, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

July 2023
Hello, JackofOz. Thank you for your valuable contribution to Wikipedia. I would appreciate it if you could provide some context and explanation regarding the necessity of this specific edit. I'm seeking a better understanding of the reasons behind it.  –MinisterOfReligion  (Talk) 13:05, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Your Reverence. Thanks for the enquiry.

Firstly, Category:Lists of books was not appropriate so I deleted it. A bibliography is indeed a list of books, but that's not what that category is for. Click on it and see for yourself what it's about.

Secondly, categories such as bibliographies should be sorted alphabetically by the surname of the subject of the bibliography. Otherwise, they'd all end up under B for Bibliography, and that's not helpful if you're searching the category for a particular subject. One way to achieve this is to use, e.g., but that applies to all the categories listed in the article, and that may not be appropriate. For example, it wouldn't apply to Category:Islam-related lists. One way to correct this is to override it for particular categories that are not to be sorted that way. That's done by what's called "piping". Example: Category:Bibliographies of people would sort under the first word Bibliography unless I added a Defaultsort, or piped it to the relevant surname, hence.

Or, I could choose not to use Defaultsort, and just pipe the particular categories to where I want them sorted. That's what I did in this case.

To summarise what I'm talking about, the two ways I could have gone were: A:

or B:

B seemed simpler to me. Check out Wikipedia:Piped link, particularly the section "Piped category links". And Wikipedia:Categorization, particularly "Sort keys".

Any more questions, just ask. Go in peace to love and serve ... Whomever. Cheers. --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  23:41, 6 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks.  –MinisterOfReligion  (Talk) 04:14, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Why, thank you. :) --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  22:27, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

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Stop following my edits.

Thanks. JohnDVandevert (talk) 11:09, 25 July 2023 (UTC)


 * First a barnstar, now an incredibly rude and incomprehensible demand. Such a mysterious world we live in. --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  11:23, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

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Nelli Shkolnikova
In the Nelli Shkolnikova article, you entered the patronymic "Efimovna". Where did that come from? The Ukrainian article gives her middle name as "Юхимівна" or "Yukhymivna". Which is right? Kelisi (talk) 04:25, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello, Kelisi. Given the elapsed time, I can't say for sure where my info came from. But I went searching for confirmation, restricting my search to sites that aren't clones of Wikipedia. These seem fairly authoritative:
 * Jewish Encyclopedia of Russia: Surnames starting with the letter S
 * .


 * Cheers. --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  08:57, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Little Nemo


Hi Jack, It's been some time since we solved the conundrum about Little Nemo. I think that was one of the best bits of joint detective work I've ever been involved in: a definite, hugely positive feeling of success. So, belated congratulations for finding the answer. I don't do barnstars, but here's a couple of pix of a barn not far from near where I used to live. Best wishes, MinorProphet (talk) 17:44, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


 * How very gracious of you, MP. Thank you.
 * I've always had a strange connection with barns. Closed spaces in plain sight are irresistible. The very word "barn" is redolent of magical and secret things, for those with eyes to see beyond the external veil of regular rural or rustic arrangements. The legendary stories of what goes on inside barns have inspired me many times. :) -- Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  21:59, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Suggestions for an article I've been drafting up
Hello, I noticed you worked on a few articles, making great additions; I would like to know if you would mind looking at an article I'm working on. Draft:James Naleski JoeK2033 (talk) 16:40, 30 October 2023 (UTC)


 * I made a couple of tweaks, but it seems well-written and sourced appropriately. Best of luck. -- Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  19:55, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

October pleasantry
Towards the end of the month, I thought of Brian Bouldton, and his ways to compromise, - with musings about peace there, - feel free to join. Hevenu shalom aleichem. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:21, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

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Happy birthday

 * Thanks. I had a lovely day. -- Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  19:36, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

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A S Byatt name
And I would agree with you, but like I said it's not like this isn't an incorrect way to put it, and allows for her article name to be reflected in addition to the honorific. Many outlets refer to her as such, BBC in particular do so. So I really don't consider it deceptive, nor necessary to put her full name with the honorific separate in brackets. Rusted AutoParts 21:50, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

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Happy First Edit Day!

 * Aha! 20 years of Wikipedia editing. I should take a rest, but there's still too much to do. -- Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  17:41, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

 * Thank you again. -- Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  01:16, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Jonathan Summers
Hi Jack

I have serious doubts about the spelling of the Australian baritone's given name, with enough websites having the outlier "Jonathon" to put our "Jonathan" in doubt. eg. Royal South Street, organisers of the Melbourne Sun Aria. I have queried them, but not hopeful of a reply, and know you have more than a passing interest. Thank you, Doug butler (talk) 23:36, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

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I wish you merry festive days and a peaceful New Year. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:24, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you Gerda. Blessings to you and yours. -- Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  20:40, 26 December 2023 (UTC)