User talk:Kvng/Archive 12

18650 battery
Hello, Kvng,

You'll get a faster response to your CSD requests if you tag an article on Twinkle CSD>G6 Move and fill in the name of the article that you want to move into main space. Then the patrolling admin can examine the draft and do the deletion and move in one edit. Many admins are reluctant to delete a main space page without confirmation of what will be moved to that page title and prefer to do the delete/move themselves. Just a head's up. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 01:27, 8 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks Liz. I've been following reviewing instructions:
 * "If the page title you have selected already exists as a redirect in mainspace, tag the redirect with and – if desired – mark the draft under review. After it has been deleted by an administrator, you can then accept the submission. In the event that deletion is declined due the draft not being ready for main space, please notify reviewers on the Articles for Creation talk page."
 * Should we update the instructions? ~Kvng (talk) 12:32, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

new article success rate
Regarding [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Welcoming_committee/Welcome_templates&diff=prev&oldid=1164058504 this comment]: perhaps there is some nuance that isn't coming through in your response? On the face of it, you seem to be providing support for the post that the "majority" (or "most", as you put it) of new articles from new editors aren't successful, with an 80% failure rate. (Or is it the specific outcome of speedy deletion that you are wondering about?) isaacl (talk) 16:50, 8 July 2023 (UTC)


 * @Isaacl Yeah, on closer reading, I guess we're generally in agreement. I don't know how many get CSD. I estimate 20% make it through AfC. I suspect where we might disagree is on whether 20% success on first articles is impressive or is a disaster. ~Kvng (talk) 00:49, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Traumpalast Leonberg IMAX Theater
An article with this name was recently accepted by you but then deleted in an instant because the creator apparently was a sock puppet. But the page was legitimately good and should not have been deleted. So I took it on myself to recreate it. Can you accept it when It is does please? Central Valley man (talk) 00:45, 10 July 2023 (UTC)


 * , do you have any comments on this request? You were the one that deleted Draft:Traumpalast Leonberg IMAX Theater. I don't want to step in anything stinky here. is a very new editor but seems to know the ropes. ~Kvng (talk) 01:04, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I did not delete it actually. Central Valley man (talk) 02:05, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Sorry I thought you were talking to me. I should have read it better.--Central Valley man (talk) 03:26, 10 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Kvng and Please see WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Cadeken for the SPI on user Central Valley man. Sundayclose (talk) 15:26, 10 July 2023 (UTC)


 * I deleted the page because it was a broken redirect. Amakuru deleted the page because Someone who's wrong on the internet tagged the page as CSD G5 but since the page creator isn't a blocked sockpuppet, I think that was premature, especially if no block evasion occurred. I'll take a look at the SPI but I don't like editors to jump the gun and tag pages for deletion if a page creator isn't a confirmed, blocked sockpuppet. Liz Read! Talk! 18:46, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

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Deletion of more than one page
In regard to this. Could you, please, explain how I can "bring these [nominations] to AFD as a group"? I have no clue how nominating for deletion works now on English Wikipedia and whether there is any discussion on a different page… Ambiroz (talk) 17:07, 22 July 2023 (UTC)


 * @Ambiroz, See Articles_for_deletion ~Kvng (talk) 14:25, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

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Question from PTL16 (04:49, 31 July 2023)
Hi. I just made a change to the “Notable” section of the Hollywood Forever Cemetery page and messed up the format. I wanted to list the name Frederick Woodward Blanchard there under the letter B. I thought the name would automatically alphabetize but it didn’t and the type size is way too big. Help. PTL16 --PTL16 (talk) 04:49, 31 July 2023 (UTC)


 * We all make mistakes. I'm not sure where this is but I'm sure someone in the community will clean it up. ~Kvng (talk) 13:37, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

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PROD land
Hello, Kvng,

I don't know what you started but we now have multiple editors reviewing upcoming PRODs. It used to be that no one even remembered that PRODs existed and tags were never removed unless it was discovered that they'd already been PROD'd before. Personally, I don't agree with some of the de-PROD'ding decisions but it's nice to have checks and balances and have editors looking over articles that have been tagged for proposed deletion. Some of them just end up at AFD a day later but I think the more attention some of these articles receive, the better. But just thought I'd give you a head's up on the trend I'm seeing. Liz Read! Talk! 22:35, 24 July 2023 (UTC)


 * I've noticed in the last couple weeks there are fewer questionable PRODs as their clock winds down. I assume this is because others are also reviewing. Thanks whoever you are. Recently I'm seeing very little AfD activity on my deprods. When they do go to AfD, many are kept and the others I learn from. For instance, today I learned that porn industry awards can't be used as evidence of notability. ~Kvng (talk) 22:45, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Friendly reminder to update the template on the talk page whenever you contest a PROD. –– Formal Dude   (talk)  23:47, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I used to do that but have simplified my process to spend more of my time evaluating prods and less time making a bunch of edits. Is it possible to get Twinkle to do this? ~Kvng (talk) 12:36, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't believe there is, but it doesn't take very long. You're also supposed to notify the nominator when you contest a PROD by placing on their Talk page, and that can be automated with Twinkle. –– Formal Dude   (talk)  00:55, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I requested a userscript at WP:User scripts/Requests as it would be nice to automate the process. –– Formal Dude  (talk)  01:18, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

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You created that page as a redirect to back in 2010, but all the DSA information was removed from the GCOS article in 2014, so I'm suggesting that the redirect be removed (after an attempt on my part to get people more knowledgable of the history of DSA than I to make a useful article, by copying over the deleted information from the GCOS article to the page and adding "please expand me!" templates, was reverted). (If you are such a person, especially one familiar with the history of CII and French computing, feel free to create such an article.) Guy Harris (talk) 22:35, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

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PRODs
Hello, Kvng,

You know I support your review of upcoming PRODs. This used to be a little-noticed part of Wikipedia with little to no oversight. But in some recent untaggings you cite WP:BEFORE as your reason for removing the PROD tag. This guideline is specifically for nominating articles for AFD deletion discussions, not for Proposed Deletions. So, if you want to leave a justification for untagging an article, I suggest you find a different rationale that might be more applicable to PRODs. Of course, as you know, with PRODs, a an untagging rationale is appreciated but not strictly required. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 01:19, 30 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Why wouldn't WP:BEFORE apply to WP:PROD. Do we have a lower standard for these deletions? ~Kvng (talk) 01:25, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Nomination of AS/NZS 3788 for deletion
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Reversion of my recent edits on the "Command-line interface" article
Hi Kvng, I see you reverted my recent edits on the "Command-line interface" article. I am happy to work with you to address any flaws in my edits according to WP:BRD.

I guess we can start with the intro. I view my first sentence as an unambiguous improvement in clarity and concision over the previous version's first sentence. (If you disagree that that is an improvement, please tell me why.)

The rest of the introduction is more debatable. I tried to make it simpler, in order to make it more clear to a beginner what a command-line interface is. For example, I removed the mention of command-line interpreters, which are often used to implement command-line interfaces. I did this because, in my opinion, they are tangential to knowing what a command-line interface is, and the purpose of an introduction is to explain what a thing is. A beginner encountering the concept of "command-line interface" for the first time has no need to know about the interpreter until s/he understands that a command-line interface is a thing that takes lines of text as input, and performs some actions as output. In other words, implementation details matter only after one knows what a thing is, and therefore, implementation details belong in a later section than the intro.

I also relegated mention of alternative user interfaces to its own paragraph, to denote the separateness of such interfaces from CLIs. The article is after all not really about them.

Those are my thoughts on the intro. Please let me know what you think. If too much time (say, a few weeks) elapses with no response from you, I will revert back my changes.

Cheers, Likes2wiki (talk) 07:17, 15 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Likes2wiki, do you mind if I move this conversation to Talk:Command-line interface? ~Kvng (talk) 12:56, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @Kvng, I don't mind; feel free to move it there. Likes2wiki (talk) 19:47, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, see Talk:Command-line_interface. ~Kvng (talk) 20:01, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Question from TopshottaRudeboi (18:11, 17 September 2023)
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Harman Becker Automotive Systems
Hello Kvng, I read the Good faith text, but I can not comprehend your removal: The added pict showed a tube-receiver, that was described below the pict. It can not built in the car with standard dimensions, either. Please explain or undo your change. Thank you in advance. Best regards, Wikisympathisant (talk) 18:19, 20 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Wikisympathisant can I request you move or copy this to Talk:Harman Becker Automotive Systems. ~Kvng (talk) 18:41, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * no problem KR Wikisympathisant (talk) 19:12, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

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Iheoma Nwachukwu
I wondered if you could take another look at the Iheoma Nwachukwu page as the subject has just won a prestigious American literary prize. Also I added 3 independent sources about the subject. Thank you. His name is on the Flannery O'Connor Award for Short Fiction page as the 2023 winner but he has no Wikipedia page linked to his name there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Advacheck princess (talk • contribs) 01:37, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I'd need a link to even get started. ~Kvng (talk) 15:09, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Here's the link Draft:Iheoma Nwachukwu Advacheck princess (talk) 16:36, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
 * It looks like you have made some improvements to the draft. I suggested that you needed one or two more good sources. It is not clear that you've cleared that hurdle. In any case, I don't rereview drafts I have declined except to correct a mistake. It doesn't look like there was any error with my earlier review. Another reviewer will have a look in due course. Thanks for your patience. ~Kvng (talk) 02:11, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter anyway. Every winner of the Flannery O'Connor Prize is a notable person. They all have their Wikipedia pages. So what exactly is "clearing that hurdle"? If you didn't do re-reviews why didn't you say so? Advacheck princess (talk) 04:03, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Nomination of Tig (Tigrinya language) for Deletion
You thought it controversial, so I thought you should know. Discussion here: Articles for deletion/Tig (Tigrinya language). Pathawi (talk) 11:38, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Alliance for Open Media
I disclosed my connection to Qualcomm on the Alliance for Open Media page here. I pointed out that the page includes factually erroneous criticisms of the MPEG standard (their competition) not in the cited source. It also says their standard is "free" 17 times, without ever explaining that this claim is debated (a firm has already setup shop to sell the licenses required by the standard). seemed to support the changes, but didn't make any edits directly. As I have a WP:COI, I am not allowed to make edits.

Given your interest in tech topics, I was hoping you might be willing to take a look at the issues I raised and let me know if there's anything I can do to help. Lcfbrandon (talk) 22:12, 2 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I do know my way around both types of IP topics. I will try to take a look in coming days. ~Kvng (talk) 02:11, 3 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi Kvng. I just wanted to give you a ping and see if this was still on your radar. No rush. Let me know if I can be of assistance in any way. Best regards. Lcfbrandon (talk) 22:48, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reminder. ~Kvng (talk) 13:51, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I've taken a crack at addressing the issues. See summary at Talk:Alliance_for_Open_Media ~Kvng (talk) 15:34, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Kvng. You mentioned someone should take a shot at summarizing the aspiration versus reality of its free licensing model based on this citation I shared. Should I put together a paragraph summarizing that citation to share/propose? There's also a couple unqualified references to "free" in the Operations section cited to a reprinted press release and a contributed article. Lcfbrandon (talk) 20:31, 3 October 2023 (UTC)


 * I'd be happy to look at a paragraph. Also any other specific proposed further improvements. ~Kvng (talk) 14:32, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

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Your removal of proposed deletion of A Tale of Woe
Hi, I saw you removed my proposed deletion of the album A Tale of Woe by Slovak band Morna. I thought it should get deleted because it has had no sources since 2014 and a quick search online led me to no reliable sources on the album. Not even AllMusic.com has information on the band, much less the album.

You suggested merging or redirecting to the band's article to be a better solution, but I don't see how that would work. There is nothing cited for the album, so what information from it would be added to the band article?

Additionally, there are problems with the band article. It's only been viewed about 500 times in the past 3 years, it hasn't been edited in over two years, and its only sources are from the band's YouTube, their Facebook page, and links to Radiohlavy.sk, a website which is not in English. I believe the band itself does not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines, at least for English Wikipedia. Looking at the history of editing also lead me to discover that both the album and band page were created by KubeyEf, whose only contributions were towards these two articles from 2014-2016.

Let me know what you think, I'm just trying to understand what to do with these two articles. IsaacWikiEditor (talk) 19:47, 12 October 2023 (UTC)


 * I would WP:BLAR the album article and nominate the band article for deletion at WP:AFD. ~Kvng (talk) 23:05, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Your removal of the proposed deletion template from The Other Press
While you are of course entitled to remove the template, I'd respectfully ask that you reconsider. The rationale given: "multiple incoming link indicates potential importance" appears to be based at least in part on misleading links to citations of an unconnected publisher with the same name. I've been unable to find any significant independent coverage of the student newspaper at all, and I very much doubt it will survive an AfD. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:39, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I have undone. Thanks for being nice. ~Kvng (talk) 00:37, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Many thanks to you too. AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:39, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, Kvng,
 * I have honored your revert of your removal of the PROD tag as you are the same editor who removed it and it occurred soon after your removal of the tag. But if more time had passed between the two edits or the removal had been done by one editor and a different editor had reposted it, I would have had to refuse this proposed deletion request. Still, it could be challenged although I don't think it will. But just thought I'd pass along my opinion as the deleting admin. Liz Read! Talk! 22:27, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks Liz. I'm aware that DEPRODs usually can't be reversed. I thought I'd go ahead try to get away with it this time though :) ~Kvng (talk) 23:17, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

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Eli Review
Hi! You removed the proposed deletion tag on Eli Review, saying reliable sources were found in book search. Could you at least indicate those sources on the page or talk page? I'm concerned that the page doesn't pass WP:N. I'm now wondering about AFD, but if there are lots of sources and only the article is bad, then I would love to let it flourish, of course! Jdcooper (talk) 02:29, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Jdcooper did you try your own Books search and find nothing usable? ~Kvng (talk) 15:26, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * No, I work mostly on remedial, (hopefully) uncontroversial cleanup of the worst articles, here: Database reports/Pages containing too many maintenance templates. This article seemed to fit a standard pattern of unsourced, promotional, unencyclopaedic autobiography articles. But if it's controversial I will move on, no problem! Happy editing! Jdcooper (talk) 22:51, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Telegeodynamics
Hi, be sure not to keep us guessing as to what came up in a book search. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 22:58, 13 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Fountains of Bryn Mawr, if this were AfD I would copy some links. At least I'm doing the searches. Per WP:BEFORE you have responsibilities too. ~Kvng (talk) 14:25, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:BEFORE was done and the problem has been noted on the talk page for 9 months. Wikipedia is really not based on (well maybe its in a book somewhere?) so the next obvious step is AfD. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 15:03, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I have responded at Talk:Telegeodynamics. ~Kvng (talk) 16:47, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

You removed proposed deletion tag:
Hello, you removed the tag on ZeroGPT, is there are reason why? You contested but did not give explanation. Comintell (talk) 00:45, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Comintell, my edit summary was Deletion contested, WP:NOTCLEANUP. Do you need me to elaborate? ~Kvng (talk) 03:18, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I mean this with full sincereity (and apologize in advance for being a noob) but, could you please? Comintell (talk) 03:26, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Your stated rationale for deleting the article pointed out the problems with the article. On Wikipedia we prefer to improve flawed articles rather than delete them. Editors will often propose or nominate these articles in the hopes that the attention will get other editors make improvements. This is not considered good form. If an article is bad and this upsets you, please consider making improvements to the article yourself. ~Kvng (talk) 03:34, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That's not what my notice said. It said:
 * The sources cited here are not fact-checked nor reliable. For instance, multiple sources say this company was created by OpenAI, or "ChatGPT" creators, however this seems to be blatantly false.
 * The concern is that wikipedia is giving this organization credibility, and confusing people. While there are recent mentions of ZeroGPT, it seems they came after this false information was produced about them, claiming that OpenAI is behind it.
 * ALSO** It seems there are people confusing ZeroGPT with GPTZero. One CNN article says "Meanwhile, Princeton student Edward Tuan introduced a similar AI detection feature, called ZeroGPT." [Citation: https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/25/tech/openai-ai-detection-tool/index.html)
 * These issues clearly demonstrate the confusion surrounding "ZeroGPT" a non notable 'counterfeit' version of GPTZero. This page seems to be hoax.
 * Hoax citations on ZeroGPT page:
 * Claims OpenAI is behind ZeroGPT (False Information)
 * [5] https://www.hindustantimes.com/technology/chatgpt-creator-openai-unveils-zerogpt-5-things-to-know-about-this-new-ai-tool-101676610582897.html
 * Claims OpenAI is behind ZeroGPT (False Information)
 * https://www.livemint.com/news/world/what-is-zerogpt-all-you-need-to-know-about-the-ai-plagiarism-detection-tool-11676631205023.html
 * Quotes OpenAI research director and attributes to ZeroGPT (False Information)
 * https://www.businessupturn.com/technology/zerogpt-ai-tool-to-detect-plagiarism-and-ai-generated-content-against-chatgpt/ ( proposed by Comintell ) Comintell (talk) 03:38, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The articles origins are suspect after pointing this out right? Or am I wrong? Comintell (talk) 03:39, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I read this and I could not readily map it to a valid reason to delete. Also, just the length of it is an indication that this is not an uncontroversial deletion so not appropriate for WP:PROD. I see you've taken it to WP:AFD and I will monitor that discussion. ~Kvng (talk) 03:45, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Articles whose subjects fail to meet the relevant notability guideline (WP:N, WP:GNG, WP:BIO, WP:MUSIC, WP:CORP, and so forth)
 * Articles that cannot possibly be attributed to reliable sources, including neologisms, original theories and conclusions, and hoaxes
 * Articles that cannot possibly be attributed to reliable sources, including neologisms, original theories and conclusions, and hoaxes
 * Comintell (talk) 03:53, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Articles that cannot possibly be attributed to reliable sources, including neologisms, original theories and conclusions, and hoaxes
 * Articles for which thorough attempts to find reliable sources to verify them have failed
 * Articles whose subjects fail to meet the relevant notability guideline (WP:N, WP:GNG, WP:BIO, WP:MUSIC, WP:CORP, and so forth)
 * Comintell (talk) 03:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

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How to control my anger when an another editor reverts my revision --Ratiorain (talk) 15:55, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Don't sweat the small stuff. Give it a day or two. Find somewhere else on the encyclopedia to make a contribution. ~Kvng (talk) 16:04, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

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De-PRODding articles
Hello, Kvng,

If you find yourself de-PRODding articles that were tagged for proposed deletion by a newer editor, please consider posting a notice on their user talk page explaining why you untagged these articles. Sometimes less experienced editors don't go back to look at edit summaries and explaining on their user talk page why an article shouldn't be deleted could curtail them continuing to tag articles that probably do not merit deletion. I know writing personal messages can take a little extra time but consider it part of educating less experienced editors. Thank you for considering this request. Liz Read! Talk! 22:31, 8 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @Liz, that's a productive suggestion. Please appreciate that in addition to the effort of making these postings, your request asks that I take on the work of identifying patterns of individual editors. As I assume you're aware, I'm quite happy to answer any questions about my deprod activities and my rationale in individual instances. Anticipating questions and proactively answering them sounds like a tall order.
 * Question 1: Did something happen that is motivating this request? If so, is there somewhere I should be monitoring to inject myself in the conversation when needed? I already have all the relevant prod and deprod talk pages on my watchlist and try to prioritize monitoring those sorts of pages. I also keep deprodded articles on my watchlist for a month and add any resulting AfD discussion pages to my watchlist and often participate in those discussions.
 * Question 2: Is it worth considering restricting use of prod to more experienced editors to reduce the possibility of missed connections in the process? ~Kvng (talk) 17:05, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Question from TheRomanian24 (19:33, 14 December 2023)
Thanks! I will try to be a better user of Wikipedia! --TheRomanian24 (talk) 19:33, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

WP:HOAX & PROD
Hello! I was wondering if you could clarify something for me. I saw that you dePRODded Adorján Czipleá and noted that WP:HOAX is not an uncontroversial deletion. I then looked at WP:DWHOAX, the first sentence of which is “If you see an article or image that may be a hoax, mark it with or  and propose it for deletion.” Is your issue that I didn’t tag it as a potential hoax at the time of proposing it for deletion? Happy to put it through AfD but I’d like to know for the future. Thank you, Kazamzam (talk) 09:59, 18 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @Kazamzam, the second paragraph then says, Suspected hoaxes should be investigated thoroughly which is not what we do at WP:PROD so I'm not sure that first link is correct. It is something we should bring up at Wikipedia talk:Do not create hoaxes. In addition to the need for research, if we find a WP:HOAX I think it needs a stronger remedy than the WP:SOFTDELETE granted to a successful WP:PROD. ~Kvng (talk) 04:04, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Question from Jamesbria (04:00, 24 December 2023)
hillo --Jamesbria (talk) 04:00, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

De-PRODs
Hello, Kvng,

While I'm grateful that you are on PROD patrol, you just untagged 5 articles over the course of 1 minute! I don't see how you were able to spend any time properly evaluating these articles and the reasons for the PROD. I don't think there is harm in de-PRODding articles, please be sure that this is not just a knee-jerk reaction, that you have really assessed the article as well as the deletion rationale for the proposed deletion. Editors put some thought into their proposed deletion tagging, give the same amount of effort when you decide that proposed deletion is not appropriate. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 00:33, 27 December 2023 (UTC)


 * I assume you're referring to 's prods. There's a pattern there that's not hard to see. You and others have warned them about their prod activities. They're also going fast and don't seem to have much experience with deletions. If there has been significant thought put into these deletions, the rationale given does not show it. ~Kvng (talk) 00:41, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I accept your contests, but just so you know, I am planning on AfD-ing pretty much everyone. Looking forward to seeing your rationale for keeping those articles soon. Tooncool64 (talk) 00:46, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Regardless of whether they're deleted or kept, the community may not appreciate a bulge in AfD activity coming from one editor. Deletion discussions are time consuming, divisive and thus arguably unproductive. Consider spacing out your prods and afds, see how they are received on a small scale and get a good sense of community sentiment. ~Kvng (talk) 00:54, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Kvng, your deprod on Equivalence principle (geometric) gave no justification or even discussion of the article: "others may be more hopeful about merge". Well which "others?" Why not leave it up to them to speak for themselves? Its fine to have an opinion on the article but to just randomly deprod is wasting everyone's time. Johnjbarton (talk) 00:59, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * It is controversial to delete articles when there are viable alternatives. These are not good prod candidates. I'm sorry that after WP:PRODPATROLING, I don't always have the time to explore those alternatives. As to which "others", I would consider leaving a message at Talk:Equivalence principle. ~Kvng (talk) 01:06, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * You don't have time to explore alternatives, but I already did and said as much in the PROD tag. So you are saying your time is more valuable than mine. You are welcome to leave a message on Talk:equivalence principle. I just spent a week improving that article.
 * The entire point of having PROD is to avoid wasting time on these dead ends. Johnjbarton (talk) 01:34, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * From WP:PRODPATROL:
 * The lure of theory: Don't deprod an article just because in theory, someone somewhere would object to its deletion. If you don't actually believe an article has a snowball's chance in hell of being kept, there's no reason to deprod.
 * Johnjbarton (talk) 01:37, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

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Peej BLP PROD
Hey @Kvng, I see that you removed the BLP PROD I put on Peej. Were you planning on coming back to the article to improve it? I only ask because the references you added looked kind of rushed and still didn't establish notability.  Dr vulpes  (Talk) 07:22, 30 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @Dr vulpes, it was actually that added the reference. I took that action as opposition to the prod and deprodded. I don't expect to make further improvements but the article is still on my watchlist. ~Kvng (talk) 16:03, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Ugg sorry, I was rushing out and didn't proof read my comment. It came off a LOT snarkier then I had intended. I had to drive my in-laws to the airport and they had been asking about it for hours. Thanks for being chill in the face of my rushed comment.  Dr vulpes  (Talk) 04:32, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Apologies
Hello @Kvng. I wanted to apologize for my aggressive tone in our first interaction. Since then, I've learned a lot more about Wikipedia policy and how there are better alternatives to deletion such as merging/redirecting and I have also learned better ways to find sources. Again, apologies for the aggressive responses and hopefully we can work together in the future. Tooncool64 (talk) 20:42, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Kvng!


Happy New Year! Kvng, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.

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Request for help
Hello, Kvng,

I've noticed that lately, we have a lot of PRODs tagged by low edit accounts, sometimes their only edit is to tag an article with a Proposed Deletion tag. If you sense there is any socking going on, please do not hesitate to file a case at SPI. Along with admins who patrol the PROD list, you are probably the editor is most experienced with reviewing PRODs so if you see anything suspicious, let me or another admin know or go straight to SPI. Many thanks and Happy New Year! Liz Read! Talk! 22:07, 31 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the heads up. I have no SPI experience and little interest in spending time with that but I'll let you know if I notice anything unusual. ~Kvng (talk) 16:32, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

AfD on Augmented Map
Hi Kvng! Just FYI: I started an AfD for Augmented map which previously had a PROD. If you have something to add, you are welcome to go to Articles for deletion/Augmented map. PetraMagna (talk) 00:18, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Question from True cr1m33 (19:57, 4 January 2024)
how are you. Im glad ive got a mentor. So I wanted to ask if i can just create a page on livies (olivia rodrigo fans) and her herself tnx --True cr1m33 (talk) 19:57, 4 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello User:True cr1m33! We already have Olivia Rodrigo, of course. You might want to try make some improvements to that as a start. There is likely room to create Livies. Creating a new article is not a place we suggest new editors start their Wikipedia experience. ~Kvng (talk) 23:20, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Question from TheInternationalSultan (13:49, 28 December 2023)
Hi so I have a problem with inserting an image to Wikipedia how --TheInternationalSultan (talk) 13:49, 28 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello User:TheInternationalSultan. Help:Pictures is the place to learn about inserting pictures. Let me know if you have any other questions. ~Kvng (talk) 23:23, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Question from Adhinga23 (12:38, 24 December 2023)
Hello, how can I create an article for a company? --Adhinga23 (talk) 12:38, 24 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello User:Adhinga23. The first thing you want to do before creating an article is to determine whether the subject of the article is notable enough to merit an article. We also frequently have editors with a conflict of interest interested in creating these articles. Please be careful if this situation applies to you. Because of this, special guidelines have been established for articles about companies and other organizations. Please review Notability (organizations and companies) and then see if you can find WP:THREE reliable sources from which the article can be based. ~Kvng (talk) 23:28, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Question from Zaralin184 (22:12, 29 December 2023)
I want to recruit members --Zaralin184 (talk) 22:12, 29 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello Zaralin184. You want to recruit for what? ~Kvng (talk) 23:29, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Question from Dmitrii 1984-BCN (14:18, 5 January 2024)
Hello! I've just found the article here and it asks for improvement. How can I rewrite it and contact the owner of this article? Please share your thoughts and suggestions! Thank you in advance! --Dmitrii 1984-BCN (talk) 14:18, 5 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello Dmitrii 1984-BCN. Can you tell me the name of the article we're talking about here? ~Kvng (talk) 14:59, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Question from Hall Of Rabbits (18:39, 7 January 2024)
Hi there! Hope you're doing good

I'm fairly new to this Got any wise wiki wisdom to share, oh wise sage? --Hall Of Rabbits (talk) 18:39, 7 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @Hall Of Rabbits, not particularly. Got any questions? ~Kvng (talk) 01:41, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Question from RatulH21 (07:59, 11 January 2024)
Hello, How Can I Put Flag Beside Players --RatulH21 (talk) 07:59, 11 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @RatulH21, that's done with Flagicon. Let me know if you have questions about how to use this. ~Kvng (talk) 12:54, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Question from Tedleisenring (17:25, 11 January 2024)
Dear Mentor, Can you take a look at my latest edits for the friend I am writing an article for and suggest any more edits? I would like to see this article published, but believe I need some help> thank you --Tedleisenring (talk) 17:25, 11 January 2024 (UTC) my article is for George H Rothacker — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tedleisenring (talk • contribs) 17:26, 11 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @Tedleisenring, I've taken a look at Draft:George H. Rothacker. Thanks for putting this together.
 * Based on the sources you've cited, it appears to meet our notability requirements. Being a friend of the subject is potentially problematic in terms of WP:COI but it's not as bad as being the subject. We have extra requirements that must be met for biographies of living people.
 * To be in full compliance and improve your chances of having the draft accepted, you're going to want to find citations for or remove uncited information in the draft. For example the first two paragraphs in the Early life section and the whole Design career section.
 * After you address all of this, there's still a good chance the draft will be declined by reviewers for unpredictable reasons. Unfortunately the review process has become a gauntlet.
 * Give it your best and I'll keep an eye on it and can help you with next steps if it doesn't go well. ~Kvng (talk) 23:19, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks KVNG. I will continue to work on this with your suggestions Tedleisenring (talk) 03:03, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * KVNG Would you mind looking at the changes after I followed your suggestions.
 * thank you Tedleisenring (talk) 03:09, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Tedleisenring, you deleted the Design career section which helps. The first two paragraphs in the Early life section are still unsourced. This shouldn't be enough of an issue for the draft to be declined but it is really hard to know how strict the review will be. ~Kvng (talk) 18:13, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Question from Hall Of Rabbits (07:13, 17 January 2024)
How do I state that a citation is needed? --Hall Of Rabbits (talk) 07:13, 17 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Talk page stalker here. Citation needed, More citations needed, and No footnotes all indicate a lack of citations and you can choose the one most appropriate for the article/section. PetraMagna (talk) 20:07, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Question from Morag Komendo- Borowski (00:30, 21 January 2024)
I wish to ad to the Wikipedia page of Antoni Komendo-Borowski. --Morag Komendo- Borowski (talk) 00:30, 21 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Note: I'm not Kvng.
 * I'm assuming you are writing about yourself? See WP:AUTOBIO and WP:BIO. TL;DR: (1) don't write about yourself on Wikipedia (2) the subject needs to satisfy certain criteria that establish notability since only notable subjects warrant its own article. PetraMagna (talk) 05:20, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Question from Kimlashrly on Help:Getting started (19:32, 19 January 2024)
Hey --Kimlashrly (talk) 19:32, 19 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @Kimlashrly, hey to you too. ~Kvng (talk) 14:50, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Question from Kris-lyn, 87 on Virtual private network (04:50, 21 January 2024)
I do not know what this means. --Kris-lyn, 87 (talk) 04:50, 21 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @Kris-lyn, 87, what about it is unclear? ~Kvng (talk) 14:52, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Question from AndrewJPatrick (18:22, 22 January 2024)
Hello! I just recently submitted my first Wikipedia entry last week and was wondering about how the process for getting it reviewed/edited and then published goes. Will I get notified when someone is working on it? I think I read it can take up to 3 weeks to go through that process. Thanks! --AndrewJPatrick (talk) 18:22, 22 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @AndrewJPatrick, I assume we're talking about Draft:Canadian Climate Institute. This has not been submitted yet. If you submit it in this state it is likely to be quickly declined. You need to add at least two or threeWP:INDEPENDENT and WP:RELIABLE sources that establish notability for the organization. Here is some information about citations. Also be aware that our notability requirements for organizations are particularly demanding.
 * I notice that you've added a WP:COI declaration to your user page. If this declaration is with respect to Canadian Climate Institute, that's going to make getting this draft accepted even more difficult.
 * I realize haven't answered all of your questions but I can explain more as we get the draft is in better shape. ~Kvng (talk) 22:18, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks - appreciate this feedback! I've updated the draft with a number of citations to address the notability requirements. Happy to adjust further if needed. AndrewJPatrick (talk) 18:27, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @AndrewJPatrick, that's a big improvement but I'm afraid it's not a particularly strong notability case. The first ref is pretty good but some would not see it as in-depth coverage; we learn little about the organization here. Coverage in the second could be considered a passing mention. I did not find any occurrences of "Canadian Climate Institute" in the other sources. The climateinstitute.ca source is not WP:INDEPENDENT so doesn't help the case for notability but I assume it may be useful for verification. ~Kvng (talk) 15:35, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

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table display
Regarding this comment: I believe I have addressed the question about whether or not tables would be helpful to describe the data layout. I will add, though, that I agree that using tables to draw diagrams is an issue, which is why I have spent time discussing how to format the tables to make them accessible. isaacl (talk) 00:45, 5 February 2024 (UTC)


 * @Isaacl Sorry I missed that. Was it Tables are in fact commonly used in format specifications to describe how the bits and bytes are laid out? Do you think these sorts of tables should be removed pending development of a more accessible means of rendering them? ~Kvng (talk) 00:51, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 * That's one, among others. Since the tables have been removed already, personally I favour seeing what consensus can be found before changing the article again. I realize, though, that others may prefer a different approach. isaacl (talk) 00:57, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Kind Request for Support
Hi @Kvng, I am part of the OpenVINO development team and I would love to fix the OpenVINO article. I'm not doing it as part of my work, I just hate seeing such outdated info on the tool. Being aware of Wikipedia COI rules, I'd like to consult someone more knowledgeable to make sure I do it by the book. I've noticed you were one of the first editors of the article and seem to be a very experienced Wikipedia moderator. Would you be willing to help me with the topic?

The article is very outdated and does more harm than good at this point. I'd like to update it, or rewrite, really, and later add periodic updates for the most relevant info, e.g. current version and documentation URL (it's going to be released monthly now). What do you think would be the best course of action here? I would really appreciate your support.

Best Regards WriteMeEditMe (talk) 14:58, 27 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @WriteMeEditMe, happy to help. Rewrites are overrated and more work for all of us. Let's make incremental changes. I've put OpenVINO back on my watchlist. If you are comfortable editing, I'd prefer you make the edits and I review them. The by-the-book approach would be for you to post the exact proposed changes on the article's talk page (I see you've already outlined a proposal at Talk:OpenVINO). Since none of this looks potentially controversial, I am comfortable with you making these sorts of changes directly to the article. I will review them and revert within a week if I see any issues. ~Kvng (talk) 16:49, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh my, thank you! I did not expect such a quick reply. That is perfect! I'll make the first update this week, focusing on the info box and the introductory text. Thank you! WriteMeEditMe (talk) 09:59, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The first edit is in place. I hope it is correct in both content and format. It feels pretty good, updating an article. I'm looking forward to learning more about the process and addressing some non-related articles as well. WriteMeEditMe (talk) 18:38, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @WriteMeEditMe, you've significantly changed the list of supported model formats. I assume this is an update but changing unsourced information without adding a source isn't clearly productive. I've added a request there for a source that could help readers verify this list. ~Kvng (talk) 19:51, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much, @Kvng! I've pushed another update. I removed some misinformation and replaced the intro. Following your advice, I also made sure to include more citations. In the future, I would like to expand on two concepts mentioned in the intro - scalability and performance, because without context they seem to be an opinion rather than tangible features. I hope to target scalability in a section on devices, which I hope will be the next update (the runtime can select the best device available when scaling from one device to a different setup). Importantly! Would you like to move this thread to the OpenVINO talk page? This way I would not clutter your page with these update descriptions. Thanks again for guidance. Have a great day, WriteMeEditMe (talk) 21:07, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Question from Monty Rajkumar (07:42, 6 February 2024)
I want to add Tai Kassay (Meitei) in the group of Tai in Northeast India in Tai Peoples Wikipedia. Please kindly guide. Thanks ! --Monty Rajkumar (talk) 07:42, 6 February 2024 (UTC)


 * @Monty Rajkumar, are you looking to create a new article? ~Kvng (talk) 13:06, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I want to re-insert Tai Meitei (Kassay) in Tai Peoples Wikipedia. In 2019 I remember Meitei was mentioned as one of the Tai group of Northeast India and it was removed for no reason without any explanation. Thanks Monty Rajkumar (talk) 14:21, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @Monty Rajkumar, sure, sometimes things get removed for no reason. Sometimes there's a reason, even a good reason but it is not stated. I'd like to look at the article history before advising further. Do you know the date when this was removed? Also is Tai Kassay (Meitei) or Tai Meitei (Kassay) an individual or a name for a subgroup? Why have you given me two different names and what does the parenthetical mean? ~Kvng (talk) 12:49, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply really appreciate it. This is the link of Tai Peoples Wikipedia which existed before it was removed. https://acrobat.adobe.com/id/urn:aaid:sc:AP:79773b87-df5c-4afb-bcfa-1501911a7f00
 * I am inexperienced in editing so I really don’t know exactly when but it was removed after November 2019 as I had taken printout and still have the hard copy where Meitei is mentioned as one of the Tai Peoples of Northeast India Southwestern Tai Northern Branch.
 * Meitei is an ethnic of Manipur and Tai of Myanmar and Northeast India called it Kassay so it’s Tai Meitei (Kassay). Meitei has population of more than 1.5 million in Manipur State of India. I had given two as it can be written both ways Tai Meitei (Kassay) or Tai Kassay (Meitei) but I feel first one is more appropriate to be addressed. This is the link of the latest report I submitted to Dr. Sai San Aik of Tai History Researchers Group, Myanmar. You will get all the required information on Tai Meitei (Kassay).
 * https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-qaJSxPXchDCWhxFgk_W9KyzZbqDCkSm/view?usp=drivesdk
 * Thanks !
 * Regards !
 * Maheshsana Rajkumar (Monty Rajkumar) Monty Rajkumar (talk) 14:08, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @Monty Rajkumar, is this the removal you object to? I notice you've been trying to get something added and these additions have been reverted by two different editors who have given reasons. Do you understand what they're asking for? ~Kvng (talk) 16:39, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * If addition is a problem then please revert to the same Tai Peoples Wikipedia which I had shared the link in my previous reply where only Meitei is mentioned as one of the Tai group of Northeast India. Please kindly do the needful. Thanks ! Monty Rajkumar (talk) 06:28, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @Monty Rajkumar, sorry, once some light has been shined on an issue with content, we can't take it back into the darkness. ~Kvng (talk) 14:55, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I still don’t know the reasons and don’t understand why it’s been removed. Its proved beyond doubt Meitei ethnic of Manipur are Tai group of Northeast India from all the historical account and we have surnames of Meitei people of Manipur in local text written in Bengali script with list of surnames with Shan and Thai origin.
 * pls find way to resolve this issue and I am hopeful with our communication something positive should come out. You have mentioned addition which I have been trying to add that is Tai Meitei (Kassay) or Tai Kassay (Meitei) which work both the ways. If that is an issue then please write only Tai Meitei that resolve the issue for good without mention of word Kassay. Thanks !
 * Regards! Monty Rajkumar (talk) 00:55, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The editors who have removed this have requested sources. The sources you have provided have been from your own knowledge and research. We want to refer to something published in a reliable source. I'm still having a hard time understanding the relationship between Tai, Meitei and Kassay so I don't know how to suggest where to look for a source. ~Kvng (talk) 03:08, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes from my 5 years of research I established Meitei as one of Tai people of Northeast India and Tai Peoples Wikipedia was also one of the sources and many books written by western scholars, Tai scholars had already established Meitei as Tai/Shan people. The report on Tai Kassay (Meitei) which I had provided link in previous emails please go through the report and you will find a letter written by Dr. Sai San Aik of Tai History Researchers Group, Myanmar writing letter to Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi in August 2023 on the protection of Tai Kassay (Meitei) that letter you will find in the appendix section of the report. He is the main authority in Myanmar on Tai History and his mobile number is also provided the editors can personally contact him and enquire.
 * I have already mentioned Tai Meitei is an ethnic group of Manipur State Northeast India and Tai people of Myanmar writes Meitei as Kassay an ancient name. If you read the same report i submitted to Dr. Sai San Aik you will get to know about Meitei and Kassay. I also want to know the credentials of the Editors are they author, researcher on Tai? I am ready to submit any information on Tai Meitei if the editors want. Thanks !
 * Regards ! Monty Rajkumar (talk) 04:57, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @Monty Rajkumar, please read WP:RS. We need something published with editorial control such as a book, newspaper or magazine. The report/letter you provided does not appear to qualify. Your own research also does not qualify, see WP:OR. Wikipedia prefers WP:SECONDARY sources as these tend to provide a neutral point of view. ~Kvng (talk) 13:38, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
 * This is the book joint authored by me and L. Memo Singh and second chapter of our book is on Meitei Tai origin. The link below is of our book The Political Monument:Footfalls of Manipuri History catalogued in American Library of Congress, Asian Reading Room, Washington DC. https://catalog.loc.gov/vwebv/search?searchCode=LCCN&searchArg=2020340687&searchType=1&permalink=y
 * If you type in Google search Maheshsana Rajkumar articles you will find my articles on Tai Meitei. I am a columnist too and if you give me an email address I can mail the articles published in the Manipuri English dailies. Thanks Monty Rajkumar (talk) 14:28, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok, including a book or column citation with your addition is what the editors are looking for. However, the fact that these sources are authored by you creates a WP:COI issue. You must have based the material in your book on other sources. Can we cite those instead? ~Kvng (talk) 14:44, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I have based my account on Tai Meitei from these sources cited from the following authors below:
 * Tun, Sai Aung. 2001. ‘The Tai Ethnic Migration and Settlement in Myanmar’, Myanmar Historical Research Journal No. (7), June, 2001.
 * Tai peoples, (2020). Retrieved June 20, 2020, from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tai_peoples
 * Scott, J. George & Hardiman, J.P. 1900. Gazetteer of Upper Burma and the Shan States. Rangoon: The Superintendent, Government Printing, Burma. Part I, Vol. 1, Rangoon.
 * Hannay, Maj. Simon Fraser. 1847. Sketch of the Singphos, or the Kakhyens of Burmah: The position of This Tribe as regards Baumo, and the Inland Trade of the Valley of the Irrawaddy with Yunnan and their Connection with the North-Eastern Frontier of Assam. Calcutta: W. Ridsdale, Military Orphan Press.
 * Elias, Ney. 1876. Introductory Sketch of the History of the Shans in Upper Burma and Western Yunnan. Calcutta: The Foreign Department Press.
 * Harvey, G.E. 1925. History of Burma from the Earliest Times to 10 March 1824: The Beginning of the English Conquest. London: Longmans, Green and Co.
 * Parker, Edward Harper. 1893. Burma with Special Reference to Her Relations with China. Rangoon: Rangon Gazettee Press.
 * Mangrai, Sai Saimong. 1965. The Shan States and the British Annexation. Ithaca, New York: Cornell University. Monty Rajkumar (talk) 16:38, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Obviously the Wikipedia reference would be WP:CIRCULAR. But go ahead and try adding the mention to the Tai peoples article again and include one or two of those other references this time. See WP:CITE for instructions on including sources. ~Kvng (talk) 17:08, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much I have added Tai Meitei with two sources provided. I hope it will finally work. Really appreciate your kind initiative. Monty Rajkumar (talk) 00:25, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I don't see any sourcing in your recent changes so I have reverted to avoid antagonizing other editors. See WP:CITE for instructions on including sources. ~Kvng (talk) 02:19, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I don’t know how to write source on the edit so I put in the column which appeared and I cut and pasted and published. I am not good in editing sorry. Monty Rajkumar (talk) 02:53, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I can help you compose the changes. Which two sources did you intend to include? ~Kvng (talk) 02:55, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Hannay, Maj. Simon Fraser. 1847. Sketch of the Singphos, or the Kakhyens of Burmah: The position of This Tribe as regards Baumo, and the Inland Trade of the Valley of the Irrawaddy with Yunnan and their Connection with the North-Eastern Frontier of Assam. Calcutta: W. Ridsdale, Military Orphan Press.
 * Tun, Sai Aung. 2001. ‘The Tai Ethnic Migration and Settlement in Myanmar’, Myanmar Historical Research Journal No. (7), June, 2001.
 * Thanks Monty Rajkumar (talk) 03:19, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Done ~Kvng (talk) 03:36, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much will never forget your help to resolve this issue. Keep up the good work Monty Rajkumar (talk) 04:09, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Shri Munjaba Tample, Ukkadgaon
AfD is here for your deprod: Articles for deletion/Shri Munjaba Tample, Ukkadgaon. I should have asked you before I started the AfD but were you able to find a citation to verify the existence of the location Shri Munjaba Tample, Ukkadgaon and can you add it to the article? Ben Azura (talk) 20:46, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Question from Designedits (03:45, 12 February 2024)
Hello, i believe created a page but i can't seem to tell if it's been submitted for review or published? --Designedits (talk) 03:45, 12 February 2024 (UTC)


 * @Designedits, Draft:David Hicks (interior designer) looks good. Reviewers will have a look at it within 6 weeks. I'll keep an eye on it too. ~Kvng (talk) 15:47, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

WP:PROD on John C. Sigler
Hi. You removed the WP:PROD template from the article on John C. Sigler with the comment "Deletion contested, all other past directors have articles."

However, this is not true. I believe you may have been confused by Template:National Rifle Association only including Presidents with an article and having no red links. However, lots of previous NRAoA Presidents (see: List of presidents of the National Rifle Association) do not have an article - only the ones who independently meet GNG (which may include being a President of the NRAoA but also tends to include some notablity in their professional career - e.g. Charlton Heston, Oliver North, etc).

Is there some other reason you oppose deletion, or will you consider reverting your change? If not I can post it to AfD, as it genuinely does not meet GNG. Many Thanks! Hemmers (talk) 14:39, 16 February 2024 (UTC)


 * My conclusion was based on all the blue links in National_Rifle_Association which I now appreciate may be an incomplete list. If you still think this should be deleted, you will need to use AfD. Prod is for uncontroversial deletions that do not require discussion and the process doesn't actually allow a prod to be restored. ~Kvng (talk) 15:21, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of Caim for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Caim is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Caim until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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Question
Hello Kvng, why was the 'Rakshabandhan... Rasal Apne Bhai Ki Dhal' page was redirected to Inspire Films? Recently, I copyedited and added many reliable sources, and now the topic of this article meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines.? Thanks 2409:4071:249D:494C:0:0:2790:48A4 (talk) 12:42, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

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Question from Kingsley chichi (08:06, 2 March 2024)
I will like to upload my biography on Wikipedia --Kingsley chichi (talk) 08:06, 2 March 2024 (UTC)


 * If my biography means autobiography please read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY before proceeding. ~Kvng (talk) 17:40, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

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Question from Lithamoonsong (11:00, 5 March 2024)
Hey I'm here to stop the misinformation on several pages, 80% of the population of North America are demanding disclosure on UAP that are seen all over the world by credible military pilots and civilian pilots, we are not fringe, we are the majority. So, we don't like the bull going on here on wikipedia and we will take back the truth. Got any advice for when I'm banned for posting the actual facts, like correcting George Knapp's birthday or where Lou Elizondo was born or the truth the Dr Puthoff a very important physicist responsible for many tools used by law enforcement to this day. I'm disgusted that there is no way to file a complaint that I could find, so my only recourse is to become an editor, certainly would not give money to this organization. My interest in UAP is absolutely climate change motivated, I believe the private companies involved are sitting on technology that could be a game changer for humanity and help us power our world in a greener way. So, people like me are here to stop the stupidity. --Lithamoonsong (talk) 11:00, 5 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @Lithamoonsong, the information presented on Wikipedia comes from reliable sources. If you can find such sources that support the corrections you want to make, go ahead and bring this up on the talk page of the article that you want to correct. ~Kvng (talk) 13:34, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Question from Samoiamo (14:54, 5 March 2024)
Hello! I have a report file in PDF form that I want to upload to a Wiki article in the References/External Links tab, but I don’t know the steps to do it. --Samoiamo (talk) 14:54, 5 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @Samoiamo, it is always best to include a link to where the document was originally published. This is the case even if or especially if the document is behind a paywall. Uploading or linking to an unauthorized upload is a WP:CV issue. If the document is something you created yourself, please read WP:OR before proceeding further. ~Kvng (talk) 15:17, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of MAC service data unit for deletion
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Question from Reneumeh on User:Reneumeh/sandbox (05:18, 13 March 2024)
Hello Kvng, how do I send this article from my sandbox for review? --Reneumeh (talk) 05:18, 13 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Looks like took care of that for you. The submission Draft:SPACEMAP Inc has been reviewed and was declined. Please make the requested improvements and resubmit. ~Kvng (talk) 13:12, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Coreeda
Hey. Can you tell me more about the significant coverage? The book you linked only mentions it on 3 pages. The preview shows the paragraph starting on the bottom of one page (366) with some more info on the next one (367), and the third page mention (478) is just one sentence in the appendix. The index confirms these 3 pages as the only mentions. The rest of the book search results aren't helpful either. I don't see how that would satisfy WP:GNG/WP:SIGCOV. Spagooder (talk) 23:25, 7 March 2024 (UTC)


 * A paragraph or two in a couple of sources is enough to write a competent short article. ~Kvng (talk) 23:51, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * When it's anchored by significant sources. This was only one source and it was much closer to the example of trivial coverage than significant coverage. Spagooder (talk) 00:53, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Remember, WP:PROD is for uncontroversial deletions. WP:AFD should be used for deletions that deserve discussion. The fact that I bothered to deprod and you bothered to post here indicates that discussion is deserved. I agree that what I found is alone not enough for me to !vote keep in an AfD but my search was quick and dirty and brings us half way towards WP:42 IMO. ~Kvng (talk) 15:05, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It wasn't controversial. Before I PROD an article, I look into the feasibility of fixing it, and I recently did so on another page. I bothered to ask you because I was under the impression that you had found significant coverage that I missed but unfortunately that's not the case. If the article deserved a discussion, its original writers wouldn't have had to resort to primary sources and a bunch of references that fail verification, and it probably wouldn't have sat in that state for years. Spagooder (talk) 18:06, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * We may be using different definitions for controversial. WP:PROD is a shortcut created for deletions where no significant discussion is expected. Some editors think noncontroversial means deletions they beleive are WP:LIKELY to prevail. The bar for PROD is higher than that. ~Kvng (talk) 18:52, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * We're using the same definition. I nominated with the thought that anyone applying similar scrutiny would come to a similar conclusion. Spagooder (talk) 23:59, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Based on my AfD experience, its a stretch to assume other editors think the same as you. ~Kvng (talk) 13:15, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It's not about thinking the same, it's about going through the process—they would've found the same info I did, or lack thereof. The AfD still hasn't received a single comment after a week, clearly not controversial. Spagooder (talk) 02:07, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Question from Rubyhlovett (20:51, 18 March 2024)
Hello,

How are you?

I just wrote a Wiki page that needs to go up by tomorrow if possible. I have posted it but it doesnt seem to be live. I have no experience with wikipedia so this might be very straight forward but i can't figure out how it becomes an acutal page. Hope you can help. thanks --Rubyhlovett (talk) 20:51, 18 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @Rubyhlovett, I assume you're referring to Draft:Judy Hegarty Lovett. That needs to be submitted and then reviewed before it becomes an article. A couple issues though: 1/ We need to see multiple reliable sources that demonstrate notability of the subject. You have included only one that potentially qualifies. 2/ Based on your username, it appears there may be a conflict of interest in play. Please read WP:COI. ~Kvng (talk) 02:30, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Regarding your previous objection to the deletion of Aspose.Words
Hello, I am currently proposing to delete the article, Aspose.Words, and it has come to my attention that you have objected to a previous attempt at deleting the article. I would just like to ask why, especially because there is every good reason to. Logically speaking and according to Wikipedia's policies, this article has no place in Wikipedia. Please respond within 7 days, or else the article may be deleted. Thank you.

Ztimes3 (talk) 06:39, 21 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @Ztimes3, The article was proposed for deletion 30 minutes after creation. Then the article was improved by the author. I take this to mean that the author did not want the article to be deleted and therefor it is not the type of uncontested and uncontroversial deletion for which the WP:PROD process is intended. ~Kvng (talk) 13:25, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Merging Query
Hi Kvng, I saw your comments on the merging talk page and wondered if I could hear your opinion on a related matter.

Around a week ago a proposal was passed to merge Wikipedia talk:Featured and good topic candidates and Wikipedia talk:Featured and good topic questions, among other reforms to the FGTC system. Basically both pages used to have slightly different functions, now the Wikipedia talk:Featured and good topic candidates will cover both.

Both pages have extensive archives so I'm wondering how you might approach this?  Aza24  (talk)   06:22, 20 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi there, wondering if you saw this, I'll wait another day or two before I try something for the merge, but won't pester you further.  Aza24  (talk)   16:39, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Aza24, we probably don't want to make any changes to the archive pages themselves. You can leave them as they are and add a notice or link at the top of Wikipedia talk:Featured and good topic candidates to explain the situation and help editors find the respective archives. ~Kvng (talk) 14:44, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Split rock of Horeb
I don't understand the rationale you gave as it doesn't appear correct. I saw two sources, one of which I've removed as unreliable per Reliable sources/Perennial sources. But I guess it's done which means probably AfD if reliable sources actually discussing it rather than just mentioning it as the current source and the Newsweek one do. Doug Weller talk 15:29, 21 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately Kvng pretty much objects to every PROD tag, even for articles with literally zero secondary sources. Then you take it to AfD and Kvng doesn't ever turn up to argue in favour of keeping the article. AusLondonder (talk) 09:38, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That was my guess, nice to have it confirmed.  Doug Weller  talk 15:03, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @AusLondonder, @Doug Weller, for myself ant others like you who may be interested, I track my DEPROD activity at User:Kvng/Deprod. I do track and monitor all resulting AfDs. I participate in AfD discussions if I have something useful to add to the conversation. Even if I don't participate, I am monitoring to adjust my DEPROD criteria. For example, if I see a WP:SNOW keep, I will be more careful about DEPRODDING similar cases going forward. ~Kvng (talk) 14:36, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Great. But I don't see how your rationale for your deprod at the article in question was correct. One source not an rs, the other a trivial mention. Searching shows much the same thing plus some doubt that the place where Moses supposedly was is there or even if it existed. Doug Weller  talk 14:40, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Editors are not required to state or even have a rationale correct or incorrect to DEPROD. I do always provide a rationale. I am not always correct. If you think the article should be deleted, please WP:BEFORE and then open an AfD and we can all discuss it there. It is unnecessary extra work to discuss these on my talk page and then again at AfD. ~Kvng (talk) 14:50, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Question from Kasscourse on Thomas Woodruff (artist) (19:05, 23 March 2024)
The Mary Sue is not a reliable source, and continues to push this libelous, unfounded description of this comic artwork. --Kasscourse (talk) 19:05, 23 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @Kasscourse, The Mary Sue is listed as reliable but biased or opinionated so should be identified in the text and balanced with other sources. It appears that's how the material is handled in Thomas Woodruff (artist). ~Kvng (talk) 23:45, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

County-level government agencies

 * I don't see how it improves the encyclopedia to contest a seven day old PROD, uncontested by all other editors, for a county-level government agency (Adams County Industrial Development Authority), sourced only to their own website for 15 years. That article is now left in that state unless I take the time to take to AfD. I don't see how that is a positive outcome? AusLondonder (talk) 17:39, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @AusLondonder see WP:ATD-R ~Kvng (talk) 17:59, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I see you in fact removed the PROD tag from around six or seven non-notable county-level government agencies. I don't believe redirects are necessary in these cases, particularly if the agencies are not mentioned at other articles. Some of these articles have had zero page views in more than a month. They are not plausible search terms. Of course, I recognise you're perfectly entitled to remove PRODs. But for articles with little chance of AfD survival I don't see the point. AusLondonder (talk) 18:21, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @AusLondonder, I beleive these can minimally survive AfD as redirects. I don't see the point in deleting something that is being used (however infrequently) by readers (see WP:CHEAP). I agree that no mention in the proposed target is an issue but that can be addressed by improving the target article to add a mention as an alternative to deleting. Improving the target and redirecting results in a better encyclopedia than the deletion option. ~Kvng (talk) 23:53, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

European Academy Award Winners List
Thanks for removing that proposed deletion. I didn't know how to go about that properly, or what backlash would ensue. (In the future, if I'm unsure, is there a place to go to inquire about such a thing?) I did a lot of work organizing the Actors section and half of the Actress section (thus far), with notes of notable firsts achievements, so that it's more than just a list of names. I'll get around to continuing that soon, as I planned to at least finish doing the actors completely. I noticed that the user who proposed deletion did make a slew of edits prior to the proposal in which (-##,###) massive amounts were removed. So it might be worth examining and restoring potentially. Just wanted to bring that to your attention as well, unless you already noticed. Anyway, if you'd like to work together on this or any other films/awards-related articles (those, + actors and singing shows, tbh, are usually my jam), happy to help in any way. --Cinemaniac86TalkStalk 06:27, 24 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @Cinemaniac86 thanks for your work on this. I do most of my article improvement work on technical articles so I doubt I'll be helping with List of European Academy Award winners and nominees. It looks like has legitimate concerns about the maintenance of this list, I just don't think that deletion is the best way to address those concerns and it certainly is not an uncontroversial solution. I'm curious why, having invested work in this list, did you not object to the deletion proposal? ~Kvng (talk) 13:45, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for BLARing El libro de recuerdos
My memory was I had intended to do so but ended up prodding it after doing my WP:BEFORE (and forgetting about this as an option) search to confirm there were no sources of note. Skynxnex (talk) 21:36, 24 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @Skynxnex, is there anything you can suggest we add to PROD somewhere to help remind editors of WP:ATD? ~Kvng (talk) 23:48, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Good question but I think this was just more an issue of me being needing to be more careful as I work through multiple things. Like I definitely would have voted redirect if it had come up at AFD. This may just be a me-thing but I think part of it is BLAR'ing is less reviewed, effectively, than a PROD (rightfully since PRODs are harder to reverse) but that means if someone wants feedback about redirecting an article it's actually a bigger process (starting a discussion on the article talk page) than PRODing an article. No proposed changes just thoughts. Skynxnex (talk) 14:41, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Game engine redirects
Just as information, List of game engines has a list criteria that all entries must be WP:Notable. As such, the two redirects you've just blar'd will eventually end up at RfD as pointing to an article that does not reference or mention them. -- ferret (talk) 15:04, 25 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @Ferret, good point. Saw your warning too late. Prods can't be reinstated. I will keep this in mind in the future. ~Kvng (talk) 15:32, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Question from Samoiamo (13:35, 25 March 2024)
Hi! I’m trying to find a solution after I’ve discovered that a Wiki page covering an air accident has the incorrect flight number in the title (Wiki: Royal Brunei Airlines Flight 238), when it should be ”Flight 839” according to the committee’s accident final report which was published and cited in the “References” page. Is there a way in which I could edit the title and correct it for it to read “839” instead of “238?” --Samoiamo (talk) 13:35, 25 March 2024 (UTC)


 * 2 other sources in Royal Brunei Airlines Flight 238 indicate flight 238. The report does say 839. Do you know why there's a descrepancy? ~Kvng (talk) 13:42, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Samoiamo, I just noticed you started a conversation at Talk:Royal_Brunei_Airlines_Flight_238. I have copied my above reply there. Let's continue the conversation there. ~Kvng (talk) 15:34, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of Ethernet Exchange for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Ethernet Exchange is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Ethernet Exchange until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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WHCR-LP
You have redirected this to defunct radio stations in New York. I presume this is accidental as the station was based in North Carolina? AusLondonder (talk) 19:23, 25 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Corrected ~Kvng (talk) 19:32, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Waldemar Pawlak
Hi, you've removed a deletion proposition template from the First Premiership of Waldemar Pawlak article. The reason you've stated is actually legitimate in my opinion, however the topic is allready covered and the content that would suposedly be merged can allready be found in the First Premiership subsection of the Waldemar Pawlak's article. (The referencing of the section is an other issue). -- Antoni12345 (talk) 11:23, 27 March 2024 (UTC)


 * P.S. Also I would be greatful if you could help me with renaming the Second Cabinet of Waldemar Pawlak article to "Cabinet of Waldemar Pawlak", as there exists a disambiguation page I don't know how to deal with. -- Antoni12345 (talk) 11:32, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Bit order
Reverted good faith edits by Ale2006 (talk): Bit ordering is defined at the physical layer, not by IP.

Bits can be numbered 0 to 7 either starting from the most significant bit or from the least significant one. The diagram numbers bits, but doesn't explain based on which convention. That way, it requires guesswork to establish, for example, whether the version can be obtained by  rather than.

ale (talk) 14:22, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Diplomatic Academy of London
You de-PRODded it. Did anyone actually contest deletion? Or was it because I tried briefly to make sense of it (but failed). As I wrote at the talk page, it is entirely not notable. Not now and never was. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 08:27, 28 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Yeah actually disappointing and time wasting, this was such a clear cut case, and it was six days with no objection. AusLondonder (talk) 09:45, 28 March 2024 (UTC)


 * I deprodded because you appeared to be asserting some sort of WP:HOAX and quality issues with the article and did not support your WP:ORGCRIT assertion in the presence of 8 sources some of which appear potentially reliable. It is better to use WP:AFD for a hoax because it produces a more durable result (prod results in WP:SOFTDELETE). Quality issues are, of course, not a valid reason to delete. Prod is for uncontroversial deletions but many editors use them as a first, low-effort attempt to delete something that actually deserves discussion. Sorry if that is not the case here but that is the reason I deproded with your not-obviously-supported WP:ORGCRIT assertion. ~Kvng (talk) 13:25, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Do you really think your deprodding today was constructive? I've counted at least 14 deprods. For example Safe Meat and Poultry Inspection Panel, a organisation that doesn't exist and has no sources? Or the multiple radio stations that you haven't redirected. Looks to me like an attempt to make a point. AusLondonder (talk) 20:15, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I reviewed 41 prods today and removed 19. See User:Kvng/Deprod/March 2024 for details on my recent WP:PRODPATROL work. Because of the high volume, I didn't have time to do any bold redirects today. I suggested the radio articles can be merged or redirected to the lists of stations by state. Safe Meat and Poultry Inspection Panel can be merged into the farm bill that established it.
 * I understand your WP:POINTY concern and try to adjust my deprod behavior in the case, for instance, that many of these go to AfD and are quickly deleted. So far this month, only 24 articles I've deprodded have been sent to AfD and only 7 of those have reached a delete consensus. I watch all of the articles I deprod for 30 days and many receive improvements. So yes, I think this is constructive work. How do you defend your deletion proposals? A bad deletion proposal is the opposite of constructive. ~Kvng (talk) 20:31, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * How do I defend them? Well most articles I eventually take to AfD are deleted or redirected. Several of the PRODs had been endorsed by other editors and clearly with the Diplomatic Academy article another editor was concerned enough by the removal of the tag they came here to your talk. AusLondonder (talk) 21:13, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Your stats don't support your assertion that most your AfDs are deleted. It looks like barely a majority. Clearly a minority if you don't count redirect as a delete. ~Kvng (talk) 21:27, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * If you look at articles taken to AfD this year (rather than seven years ago) they are overwhelmingly delete. AusLondonder (talk) 21:32, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * In 2024 you have 23 deletions. 8 redirects. 8 keep or merge. 2 no consensus. Only 56% were cleanly deleted. I wouldn't characterize this as overwhelmingly or most. ~Kvng (talk) 21:42, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * So in other words, just 6 were kept in their current form...
 * AfD is an appropriate venue to determine whether an article should be redirected. AusLondonder (talk) 21:57, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * That's a generous way to look at it but it still means you were wrong at least 14% of the time. It's quite possible I'm wrong at least 14% of the time with my deprods but when I'm wrong, we discuss it. When a prodder is wrong the article just quietly disappears. ~Kvng (talk) 22:26, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * If you're confident a redirect is the best solution, WP:BLAR is an easier way to propose that. ~Kvng (talk) 22:38, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * FWIW - one of my recent prods was also de-prodded by Kvng and is currently in AfD, and while it's a little frustrating to experience the additional delay, I think these de-proddings are valid. De-prodding is for when any editor has any objection, including objections of the form "this may be deletable but I think it deserves a full AfD discussion first".  A full AfD will result in a more complete and durable record of deletion consensus.  Even if we disagree with the objection, it still deserves consideration and discussion. DefaultFree (talk) 21:15, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Women in Red April 2024
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Question from Mryoulmamah on A primer for newcomers (07:02, 31 March 2024)
How do I create a quote? --Mryoulmamah (talk) 07:02, 31 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @Mryoulmamah, "Quotation marks are a good place to start" ~Kvng (talk) 13:47, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

ADPCM
The screenshot provided was DPCM as can be seen there is no point on the same level from the last one. GalaxyDoge72 (talk) 06:27, 1 April 2024 (UTC)


 * @GalaxyDoge72 I don't see a screenshot on Adaptive differential pulse-code modulation ~Kvng (talk) 13:27, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Feedback request: Engineering and technology Good Article nomination
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Question from Isaac Anyanwu (09:32, 2 April 2024)
Hello King, How do I create an article about me on Wikipedia? --Isaac Anyanwu (talk) 09:32, 2 April 2024 (UTC)


 * @Isaac Anyanwu, generally not a good idea. See WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. ~Kvng (talk) 13:05, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from AndrewJPatrick (17:13, 2 April 2024)
Hi Kvng - Is there a way to ensure that my draft page for Canadian Climate Institute is still in the queue for review? There's a bit of a long backstory with this one, but I submitted it for review about six weeks ago. I see now that the disclaimer at the top says it could take up to two months to review, so perhaps it's on the docket but hasn't had the chance to have a review yet. For background this page was soft deleted recently. The original editor who submitted for deletion put it back as draft so that it could undergo review for publication. Since submission for deletion it's been updated to remove promotional language, update conflict of interest, and add multiple sources etc. The draft page is here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Canadian_Climate_Institute any help or guidance here is much appreciated. --AndrewJPatrick (talk) 17:13, 2 April 2024 (UTC)


 * @AndrewJPatrick, yes it is still in the queue. Reviews are not necessarily done in the order they are received and reviewers may pass this one over because there are 47 sources to review - a heavy lift. If I were reviewing this it would help if you could identify your WP:THREE best sources that establish notability of the organization. ~Kvng (talk) 20:21, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks for that - will see what I can do. AndrewJPatrick (talk) 14:22, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Rainbow Saver Anglia Credit Union
You have removed the PROD and redirected this article to list of credit unions in the United States, however the credit union is not American. AusLondonder (talk) 22:46, 9 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks for catching that. I have backed it out. I'm afraid you'll need to use AfD now since prod cannot be restored once removed. ~Kvng (talk) 23:03, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Engschrift article - merge
Hi there,

I noticed that you objected my deletion request for the Engschrift article some days ago, and suggested instead it be merged. Once this is done, which article do you suggest it be redirected to? Engschrift refers to condensed variants of DIN 1451, Austria and Tern.

Thanks. EthanL13 &#124;  talk  19:03, 8 April 2024 (UTC)


 * @EthanL13, to start I'd need to understand the relationship between Engschrift and Tern (typeface). None of this is my area of expertise so I'm not sure how much of my advice you want to be taking. For real help help maybe post something at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Typography. ~Kvng (talk) 00:43, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi Kvng, I believe it's related to Tern due to the condensed (engschrift) being mentioned in Austrian traffic sign legislation. But I am rather asking what to do in regards to redirecting to the three articles it refers to. EthanL13 &#124;  talk  21:05, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @EthanL13, I guess I didn't understand the question. I guess I still don't understand the question. What do you think of my suggestion of asking typography experts at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Typography? ~Kvng (talk) 21:17, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * As far as I'm aware, but I could.be wrong, it's not possible to create redirects to more than one article. But I'll ask there so. Thanks. EthanL13 &#124;  talk  10:10, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * You're right, only one redirect target is allowed. ~Kvng (talk) 14:27, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

TCP
Greetings. While 'no deadlines' is an interesting essay, it is just that, and it most definitely does not supercede the strict requirements for verifiability. Unsourced material that has not been challenged can be left as it is, if no editor is bothered by a lack of citations. However, once challenged, the requirements are clear: "Any material lacking an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the material may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source. Whether and how quickly material should be initially removed for not having an inline citation to a reliable source depends on the material and the overall state of the article. In some cases, editors may object if you remove material without giving them time to provide references. Consider adding a citation needed tag as an interim step."

The material was challenged a year and a half ago. That is more than adequate time for an interested editor to cite the material. As you have chosen to restore the challenged material, may I assume you are going to add adequate citations? Your user page suggests that you are a subject-matter expert here. I have considerable experience in networking and internetworking, but don't consider myself expert. If not, yes, I would be willing to take a go at it, but generally speaking the responsibility lies with the editor who adds unsourced material, not the editor who removes it. cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 17:31, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Sometimes I swear that I go to extraordinary efforts to be a dimbulb. I see now that you did add a cite, and since the cite in its entirety is specific to the section, that should be more than adequate. Apologies for my error. cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 01:41, 19 April 2024 (UTC)


 * @Anastrophe, I've been there; I understand how you can get a notification of revert and then not notice there were further edits. I can try to remember do this as a single edit in the future.
 * I did read your struck comments. I don't appreciate the pattern of editors removing material because it is tagged and they don't understand it or don't know where to find sources. Remove it if you think it's wrong or you believe no sources exist. Transmission Control Protocol is getting nearly 2000 views per day and has existed since 2001. In this context, errors are ejected pretty reliably. ~Kvng (talk) 13:50, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Fair arguments all. I fall into a category of editors who don't fall into a category of editors. Sometimes I'm a 'deletionist', and sometimes I do the deletion as I did here - in hopes of gently prodding the existing interested editors into confronting the lack of attention to challenged material. Then there's plenty of times I'll spend half my day tracking down and verifying sources, and making the challenged material properly cited myself. I never maliciously remove info from articles; but I also feel that the strong ethos we have here that challenged material may be removed, is a necessary one; however, it's exceedingly rare that I delete material that has been recently challenged, 'recent' always being a judgement call. Regrettably, too often I run across material that's been challenged for a decade or more. Those are also judgement calls - was the cite-needed tag added just to be a butthead, or is the material patently clear, typically because existing wikilinks provide the answer at the destination, or any of countless other reasons.
 * Case-by-case is the order of the day. cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 22:02, 19 April 2024 (UTC)