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June 2016
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Please use the edit summary to explain your reasoning for the edit, or a summary of what the edit changes. Thanks! Kautilya3 (talk) 18:20, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

ARBIPA sanctions alert
Kautilya3 (talk) 21:25, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Historical Vedic Religion
I am not sure what was the point of your edits to this article. Can you explain? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:28, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
 * User:Kautilya3, sources are not mentioning 500 BCE in the sources as the end of vedic religion, they only mention when the vedic religion begin, there was end of vedic period, there was no end of religion. I didn't removed links to main article, I just merged them under the line "{{see also|" since these articles only offer a related view about that section or not, most of them don't, they are not main or bigger article about this section, unless there was some article like "Origins of Vedic religion". Last one was "BC", which should be "BCE" since wp:era tells to stick to one era style. Hope you can self revert. Lorstaking (talk) 13:49, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't know what source you are talking about. The Michaels's book, cited page, has a big table with lots of dates, and 500 BC is clearly there. The main article links are necessary, because this section summarises the content from them. If you don't think that is appropriate, please raise it on the article's talk page. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:19, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Michaels do talk about development of Vedic religion, but when you look at page 33 - 36, you will find that he is talking about the development of Vedic religion rather than its existence, instead we need to put "and developed in northern India from c. 1750 BCE to 500 BCE", rather than saying "and existed in northern India from c. 1750 BCE to 500 BCE". User:Kautilya3 "and clan by clan, after 1900 B.C." It is not saying anywhere that Vedic religion ended with 500 BCE, there was no end date of Vedic religion, but only end date of Vedic civilization which is also called Vedic Period. 1750 BCE is the dating only about the beginning of Vedic religion on this article, it is also supported by other sources. If articles summarizes content from those articles then its "{{Further|" but not "{{Main|", {{Main| is used only when small amount of some portion has been forked to the article. Lorstaking (talk) 14:28, 19 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Ok, you have now checked the source and admitted that the 500 BC is present. You cannot delete sourced content unless there are other sources that contradict it, and argue on the article talk page that scholarly consensus is lacking.
 * As for the main article links, I have already told you that you need to raise them on the article talk page.
 * Please take your time and formulate coherent arguments. Wikipedia has no deadline! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:10, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I have opened a section on talk page. These edits seem minor, not even crucial. Lorstaking (talk) 15:27, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Page numbers for books
Would you please provide these in the future. They're needed so that future editors can verify the source (and note that text often gets changed ignoring the fact that it's sourced). Thanks. Doug Weller talk 14:21, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I just reviewed some of my recent edits, you are right, I actually missed adding the page numbers, I am writing them now. Thanks! Lorstaking (talk) 14:33, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Era style chsnges
You need to read WP:ERA. Doug Weller talk 19:04, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Your edit changed those BCE to BC that I had just replaced, era style should be either BC or BCE on that article, presently it is using both BCE and BC. Lorstaking (talk) 01:11, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Fixed after delving into the history. Doug Weller  talk 13:43, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

September 2017
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Vedic period. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement. Please be particularly aware that Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. —Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 10:24, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made.
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

Your comment on Afd for Vietnam Veterans for Factual History
What do you mean by "The content needs to be transferred to the articles of the members of this organization"? If that will resolve the issue, I'll be glad to do it, but I'm not certain what "it" is. Txantimedia (talk) 04:22, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Images and 2nd - 1st millennium BCE
The reason I changed those images for both India and China is because the original images had little to with the topic. Those images showed the cultural spheres for both India and China and didn't really focus on the cradle of civilization aspect. This is why I replaced those images with descriptive Indus Valley civilization and Erlitou culture images respectively. That is what the core of those subsections are about. You refer to the reason to why you do not accept the Indus Valley civilization image because it "doesn't describe events dating 7600 BCE". I do not understand your logic on this. 7600 BC describes the Neolithic era. The consensus is that civilization didn't begin until at least 3300 BC. Also the image presented for the Egypt subsection describes that of the New Kingdom and it doesn't describe predynastic Egypt, so why is that image acceptable while mine is not? I do however apologize for the copy-pasting. I wanted to describe the Vedic era for the India subsection as the Zhou dynasty was mentioned in the China subsection. I will use my own words in the future. But you really didn't need to undo 100% of my work here. I don't have any interest in starting an edit war with you but I think some of your revisions were unjustified. I am more than willing to have a discussion with you on the future of the image situation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EdwardElric2016 (talk • contribs) 05:00, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Note
Notification needs to happen once a year. --Neil N  talk to me 18:22, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Your recent edit at WP:ANI...
Did not appear constructive and I have reverted it. I also note that you did not include an edit summary in what appeared to be a mass deletion of open discussions. If you think this was a mistake please feel free to discuss this with me. Best regards... -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:36, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Edit conflict. Was about to revert the accident but you reached before. This happens when we accidentally save particular section as entire page. Lorstaking (talk) 00:47, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
 * No worries. I saw that you are not a new editor which made me suspect that this was some kind of accident or technical blip. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:49, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Your comments on ANI
Lorstaking, you need to be careful when throwing around accusations. For example, in this edit, you not only link to a fairly innocuous edit by Mar4d but also bring up their socking history unnecessarily as evidence of their bad faith, neither of which are tenable pieces of evidence. All the more surprising that you're doing so in an ANI report that is pretty much supporting your position. Repeatedly not assuming good faith can lead to blocks so please be careful. --regentspark (comment) 23:07, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually, looking a little more carefully at your comments in that ANI thread, I suggest you strike some of the ones you've made about mar4d. The ones relating to prior socking and the ones relating to competence. --regentspark (comment) 23:16, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
 * My comments on his socking are nonetheless correct and block logs are there for using as evidence since its the quickest way to analyze user's conduct. I can myself name at least dozens of examples of last few hours where someone referred to block log of the person and I have been doing this on ANI, which is an ideal place for that. Read this comment, it speaks about it all. What actually convinced Mar4d to think of safeguarding an incompetent ethnic POV pusher? If you read Mar4d's comments carefully, they are full of serious allegations of misconduct and without evidence. I know that Mar4d has similar stance as the user in question, but that is not enough of a reason to sacrifice yourself and Mar4d has done this before. After all, there are 100s of admins looking at ANI and they all know that none of this constitutes any personal attack but useful information. There was no reason that Mar4d has to admin shop you. And such admin shopping, false claims of personal attacks, unfounded allegations can indeed lead to a block. Lorstaking (talk) 02:32, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

MSW
Lorstaking, have you come across this newly reactivated account yet : MapSGV ? If you have not, maybe try to take a look when you get a chance.


 * Was created/active around the 2014-15 time frame with 20 odd edits, before going dormant
 * Reactivated a week ago
 * Among the initial edits after reactivation are edits on Hinduism and its talk page, where some comments were made on the potential similarity with MSW.
 * See some edit summary similarity with MSW : e.g., "stick to (the) source", focus on "Copyvio".
 * During recent edit warring on Tourism in India, repeatedly refers to Gyan publishing as an unreliable source. MSW edit summaries and text routinely referred to Gyan publishing's unreliability.

Since you have looked into AVC/MSW socks extensively, thought of sharing to see what you think. Js82 (talk) 10:40, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I have seen this account too and his interests are mostly military. He is also living far away from MSW. I had first seen him when he was arguing on Articles for deletion/Research and Analysis Wing activities in Pakistan, an on-going AfD where I have also voted. Gyan Publishing is indeed a self published source. Sure he made similar edits on Hinduism as MSW but those edits were justified and either him or someone else would have done the same as they seemed too eye catching that even Kautilya3 had reverted those edits earlier, then other two editors(JJ, D4i) also argued that the content was unfit for the lead. A lot of people stop editing Wikipedia due to many reasons or just they feel they have accomplished what they wanted at the time. I also stop editing for months to year. Though many editors resume their old account for particular POV editing/disruption, and I see none here. Lorstaking (talk) 11:07, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
 * He seems to be dealing with a sockpuppet Sockpuppet investigations/FreeatlastChitchat. Lorstaking (talk) 04:21, 1 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Look into some of the writing style also when you get a chance. There seems to be some similarity in phrases, etc; it may take some time though to see carefully. And how did you deduce the "living far" aspect ? Js82 (talk) 07:12, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I saw big differences in timings that's why I said that they are living far from each other. You can file an SPI yourself if your are confident. Lorstaking (talk) 17:28, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

AE
Please look at what you're doing and stop replacing the entire page. --Neil N  talk to me 16:17, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Some technical problem with this lame browser that keeps cutting links. Have to fix it time to time. Lorstaking (talk) 16:30, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

WP:AN
Please do not make offtopic comments at administrative boards. Going into comparisons of what happened to you, or whatever, is not relevant to the issues at hand and is in fact, disruptive. People go there to get solutions to problems, not hear others soapbox. Dennis Brown - 2&cent; 22:29, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

April 2018
Hello. Your recent edit to King Philip Regional High School appears to have added the name of a non-notable entity to a list that normally includes only notable entries. In general, a person, organization or product added to a list should have a pre-existing article before being added to most lists. If you wish to create such an article, please first confirm that the subject qualifies for a separate, stand-alone article according to Wikipedia's notability guideline. ''The subject you re-added to the above article's notable alumni list not only did not have a biography, but her name was purposefully redirected to the article about the crime. Unequivocally, she is fails WP:BLP1E. A blue link does not always mean a person belongs on a notable list.'' John from Idegon (talk) 04:23, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I know she fails WP:BLP1E. You are not always required to have stand alone article about the person for inclusion and references can be added if the person lacks own article per WP:ALUMNI. Her association with the school has been significantly mentioned by independent reliable sources. Lorstaking (talk) 05:04, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Removal maybe right after all. Given WP:SNOW consensus to merge per Talk:Death_of_Conrad_Roy, it seems I had misunderstanding that the article still existed and after receiving your note above I assumed that it was redirected without consensus. The name was added before merge to King Philip Regional High School, it seems the removal was overdue. Lorstaking (talk) 05:21, 21 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi. Looks like you just posted a comment @ Articles for deletion/Ideological bias on Wikipedia that you meant to post @ Articles for deletion/Is Genesis History? (2nd nomination). E.M.Gregory (talk) 13:39, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, these two AfD's came around the same time, have same participants. I believed my vote was probably lost somewhere. Thanks for notifying. Lorstaking (talk) 15:01, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Buddha Avatara
I am not understanding Why are you always doing overwrite on the true fact that Buddha is not avatar of Vishnu and part of Hinduism, yes he has followed the culture of Hinduism but he has left Brahmanism as he couldn't find anything except superstitious why you want to delete the true fact of the history I am not understanding Please define or else I will have to take necessary action against you and your IP — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.21.125.77 (talk • contribs) 11:29, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The IP has been blocked for a month for his continued copyright violations. My Lord (talk) 12:40, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Regional Powers
Dear this regional power issue between India and Pakistan has been going on for quite a while. It is also evident that Indian's don't want Pakistan listed as a regional power even though its properly cited. Please provide some reasons why Pakistan should not be on the list? Even the map includes Pakistan as a regional power in South Asia.

Usman47 (talk) 11:19, 5 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I had pinged you on talk page. You should leave your comment there and you should also consider reading this chapter. Lorstaking (talk) 11:32, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Reply from TheGoodIndian
Sir/Madam, Thank you for your message, but it will not be possible for me to get engaged in any sort of collaboration. As it is, I am set to go into Wikipedia-hibernation mode soon. TheGoodIndian (talk) 13:17, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Wasi Shah
I've seen your email. Have you seen this?. It's been deleted seven times, including two AfDs, it had no independent verifiable sources or anything to show that it meets the notability guidelines, and was highly promotional, eg Wasi shah is a multi talented personality.... The article is protected, and it's difficult to see how this clearly non-notable person could merit a Wikipedia article. The article was unsourced vanity page junk, if you really think you can write something viable, better to start a draft from scratch Jimfbleak - talk to me?  09:05, 13 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks for reply, you really need to see the history, since the last couple of versions were different from and even worse than the earlier AfDed versions. suppose I post the deleted text temporarily in a sandbox, then you can have a look, copy anything you need off-line, and let me know when you are done so I can redelete? Let me know. I'm going to be away this weekend, so may be a delay Jimfbleak - talk to me?  12:10, 13 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I've added the text of the penultimate deletion (mine) to your sand box Jimfbleak - talk to me?  11:00, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

A question from usman47
Hello! just the other they you mass reverted my edits on the following articles     when I was suspected of being a sock which was proven wrong. So I wanted to ask can I now revert my edits back to what I wrote because that was a lot of hard work to write those articles. I hope you will understand. You can always use the talks pages on those articles if you have some objections. Best regards! Usman47 (talk) 14:52, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * All reverted except which needs to be restored manually. Lorstaking (talk) 17:22, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Much appreciated! :) Usman47 (talk) 17:05, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Mass reverting of edits
Lorstaking, I am troubled by your mass reverting of edits on the University of Chicago Law School article. You say that the edits are 'promotion'. I disagree. There are several problems with your reverting of edits en masse.

First: the edits do not amount to promotion. Most of the edits are objective facts. True, in some instances, the article uses evaluative language. For example, when describing notable alumni in the introduction, the article uses the word 'distinguished'. But this is justified when you look at the alumni that follow, such as the Lord Chief Justice of England and Wales, judges on federal appeals courts, the Prime Minister of a country, etc. You will see that other law school articles use the same language: see Harvard Law School, University of Pennsylvania Law School and Columbia Law School. The same goes for the description of some faculty members as 'leading' in their field. The article on Douglas Baird describes him as a leading scholar in certain areas, so there is no issue with describing him as 'leading' on the law school article.

Second: many of the edits in the last couple of months bring the article to currency. Before the edits, the article had referred to data on admissions, employment and rankings that dated back to 2015 and, in some cases, 2008! Some wiki users, myself included, have gone to the effort of updating this information to reflect data from 2017–2018, where available. Again, the data has been presented in an objective manner. The description of the rankings in the introduction, for example, does not contain any evaluative language: it simply sets out rankings from different sources. The same goes for admissions and employment.

Third: the edits fill in important gaps. The history section is a perfect example. Before the edits, the history section was very light on information. Independent authors have written about the history of the University of Chicago and the law school. These writings are reflected in books and peer-reviewed articles, which I have cited in the history section. Another example is alumni and faculty. The law school has alumni and current and former faculty members who were not initially in the article. My edits, and the edits of other users, have ensured that these alumni and faculty have not been left out. The article has been substantially improved as a result of these edits.

If you are so concerned with promotion, please look carefully at the article as it is now, identify any issues, and edit them one-by-one where you feel the need, or at least voice your concerns on the talk page on the article. To revert edits en masse, without any real justification, is to undermine the efforts of all those who have brought the page to currency and who have sought to improve the article by expanding its various sections with objective, accurate and timely information.

Kind regards, Nicomachian — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicomachian (talk • contribs) 00:44, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
 * See Talk:University of Chicago Law School. Lorstaking (talk) 10:23, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks once again for pointing me out the e-mail address! :) EkoGraf (talk) 12:15, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

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 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made.
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

Statutory notice
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 11:50, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you! :) I will keep it up. Lorstaking (talk) 15:38, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Ad: IP
No, this IP address is not mine. Lupus28 (talk) 12:29, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Reverting Usman47
Please tread carefully. While I noted the circumstantial evidence that he was a sock of Hassan Guy in the block log, the actual reason was his pattern of disruptive editing. If the edits were clearly disruptive that may be grounds for reverting. But this was not a sock block so WP:DENY does not apply. Best regards... -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:22, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I pointed of him of being a sock, still I had reverted only those main article edits that were problematic. WP:DENY would allow reverstion of all edits (including recent notices he left) though I haven't gone for it. Lorstaking (talk) 16:50, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Son of Kolachi
Lorstaking, I've restored some constructive edits by this blocked user. --Saqib (talk) 06:14, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Saqib, careful with "constructive edits from socks" WP:BMB banning policy clearly explains what is acceptable and what is not. regards -- D Big X ray ᗙ  14:20, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Noted. --Saqib (talk) 14:21, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thx. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  14:22, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Oct 2018
Lorstaking, thank you so much for highlighting some of the clunky UR Law updates. They have been reworded, with a few additional sources added. Please feel free to tweak it yourself if the need arises. If so, please ensure to retain the most recent (2018) rankings. Also, their proximity to Washington is supremely relevant to their program. So if rejiggered, please just make sure this data isn't lost. Extra citations have been added for both. Thanks again, Lorstaking. Wikipædian (talk) 07:56, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

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✅ Lorstaking (talk) 08:39, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Reverts to ISIS article by Mar4d
I just wanted to let you know that in addition to Mar4d violating his topic ban for the articles Frontier Corps and Taliban, he has also violated the topic ban again for the ISIS article since he undid my contributions about the Frontier Corps supporting ISIS militants in Afghanistan and as both of us have said before, the Frontier Corps have been involved in numerous Indo-Pakistani conflicts.-User:Mountain157 (talk) 3:15(UTC) January 1 2019

There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:37, 1 January 2019 (UTC)


 * What Ivan really needed to say is that he proposed a sanction against you. Please go to the thread and comment before this sanction is placed without hearing your side of the story. Jehochman Talk 18:12, 2 January 2019 (UTC)


 * I replied. Lorstaking (talk) 02:53, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

South Asian pickles
Hey, I need your help. This title South Asian pickles is very clunky and it seems like it is clearly not the most popular name. I looked at google books, and the name South Asian pickles does not even register much, in comparison to Indian pickles or achaar. How do you recommend I go about this? I tried Desi pickles, it is clearly rejected, but, I understand why it got rejected. However, wouldn't you say Indian pickle, achaar or Pickle (Indian subcontinent) fits with WP:COMMONNAME? (Highpeaks35 (talk) 15:14, 12 January 2019 (UTC))
 * Indian pickles is the WP:COMMONNAME here. "Achaar" is used mostly when the source is using other words in Hindi and rest of the suggestions also don't qualify. I would say that you should withdraw the proposal and come back after at least one or two months and suggest "Indian pickles" as the proper title. Lorstaking (talk) 06:27, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Article review: Sabana Grande (Caracas)
Hey. The Wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabana_Grande,_Caracas has been vandalised by Jamez42. 100,000 characters have been deleted and several quotes/sources from relevant authors and academicians.

Please, I kindly ask you to review the article.

--QuinteroP (talk) 09:34, 13 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Why did you write to 14 editors and didn't ping me? The edit was not vandalism, and you have already opened a peer review of the article. --Jamez42 (talk) 16:19, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Indo-Pakistani Air War of 1965
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