User talk:Modernist/Archive5

Mural
I saw that you removed the spam of Seubel. The user also spammed the Frescography and Computer Aided Mural articles, as well as deleting it from the History of printing template. Since the uploaded file is a publicly non accessible document, I strongly believe that this person (JC Theiry) is trying to get himself into wikipedia. I don't see any involvement in the invention of the Frescography being proven through this file – the file, if it is even real - is only about a future cooperation between the artist and the jc thiery. The patent actually was awarded some years ago only to the inventor (Latzke). I hope I had the right choice of words, as english is not my native language. thank you, and best regards Snowchicken (talk) 11:28, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you again, I just wanted to make you aware that User 'Seubel' reverted your edit regarding the History of Printing. I am actually a student at Utah State University in Logan and participant of a Frescography course (here's the link to the course syllabus: http://www.frescography.com/distance-learning-course.pdf). Frescography is a printing technology for murals and is taught at our University. Therefore I don´t understand why user Seubel deletet this information from the template and why he calls it 'advertisement'.--Snowchicken (talk) 16:54, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I cannot make any further comment, try someone else...Modernist (talk) 17:03, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Could you please take a look
Hello Modernist, could you please help again and take a look at Christiaan Tonnis. I believe the page is in a good state ... should it really be deleted or merged? Thank you so much in advance! Best wishes, Blaise Mann (talk) 08:16, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you ! I will do as you said and hope to improve the page. Best wishes, Blaise Mann (talk) 07:13, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

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Van Gogh's ear is full of red herrings; are herrings Babelfish?
Thanks for your modifications to the Gaugin's stay in Arles and the new competing theory about Gaugin's "master swordsmanship". I agree with most of your changes, and respect your obvious knowledge in the area. It's obviously pretty embarrassing that I have a propensity to spell it "Gaugin", for reasons unknown to man. Six years of art school, and I can't draw, and I can't spell Gauguin... but at least I know how many post-modernists it takes to change a lightbulb.

It's a tricky one. Kaufmann and Wildeganz lay claim to ten years of research about the incident. Are many resistant to the idea because it goes against our pre-conceived notions of who Van Gogh was during the Arles period? Or are many resistant because it's spurious at best, and irrelevant at worst?

I warmly encourage you to keep an eye on Gauguin and Van Gogh. Let's not forget, all the media coverage has focused on Van Gogh allegedly provoking Gauguin, then covering up the crime. I think it deserves at least a note in Gauguin's file that he's accused of slicing off someone's ear.

Best regards, (talk to) Caroline Sanford


 * Thanks for your message Caroline. You know Van Gogh was a wonderful letter writer and he seemed to have told Theo everything it just does not compute to me - that he would tell the world that he mutilated himself - in order to protect Gauguin; and not actually own up the truth eventually to either Theo or his doctors....Modernist (talk) 03:54, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

List of works by Thomas Eakins
(Cross-posted to a half-dozen people's talk pages)

After a couple of days of methodical typing, I've created List of works by Thomas Eakins. It's gotten to the point where other people can step in and add to it - titles need to be linked, dates need to be added, pictures need to be found/uploaded/added to the list, notes need to be added, etc. I'd appreciate your help building it up. Raul654 (talk) 00:26, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the heads up Raul. Looks good, I'll add to it as I can, good job..Modernist (talk) 05:15, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Van Gogh
Exactly, at the present, I was going to research each painting and add a mini-bio to each painting, I'm moving it so it will begin with User:I Seek To Help & Repair!/

Bye, I Seek To Help &amp; Repair! (talk) 05:23, 16 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Can I have the paintings be 300px, what did you mean by "lead image"?

I Seek To Help &amp; Repair! (talk) 05:27, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The lead is usually the first one. It can be 300px sometimes less, sometimes more..Feel free to ask by the way. I'm glad to help...Modernist (talk) 05:29, 16 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Just for the record

Your edits where you stated in the summary "few works" was unnecessary, as you can see on his page that lists his works, you can see there are TONS!, so gathering together info and free images of them would take a very long time, also, if you compare his page and my page, you can see they have the same amount of images. Also, the point of me creating that page was to add more photos of his work to it.

Thanks For Your Time, I Seek To Help &amp; Repair! (talk) 07:29, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Move Survey: Your Opinion is Requested
I Seek To Help &amp; Repair! (talk) 22:04, 17 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank You For Your Opinion

Thank you for voting, I Seek To Help &amp; Repair! (talk) 23:26, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
For 3 or four catches in the last few days from you. Wondering when the wiki-break tag above there is going to come off. I live in a perpetual state of panic! I'm only coming to terms with Liz not being an everyday presence on my watchlist, not you too. Ceoil (talk) 00:06, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Ceoil, thanks for your concern...I was away on a trip; back now; and hopefully Liz will return soon....Modernist (talk) 00:27, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Grand and welcome back M; but take off the wiki-break tag...pls...my heart! I'm not as young as I used to be! Ceoil (talk) 00:54, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Good to see you back! I thought you'd be gone a bit longer... but then I thought I'd be gone a bit longer too. Many, many warm wishes, Kafka Liz (talk) 00:26, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism on Brauner article?
Hi. What do you think about this edit to the Victor Brauner article by an unregistered user?:

MdArtLover (talk) 20:56, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Nevermind. Somebody fixed it. I've become such a wimp. MdArtLover (talk) 21:03, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, it could use a little but of a clean-up, but there's certainly no reason to blank huge sections of the article. Glad you pointed it out. Kafka Liz (talk) 00:49, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Bal du moulin de la Galette
Thanks for moving the article on the painting Bal du moulin de la Galette. However, I wrote on the talk page on 1 June 2009 that the correct title is Bal du moulin de la Galette, but in my edit of today I failed to use that title properly within the article: I failed to remove the unnecessary and wrong suffix ", Montmartre" which is not part of the painting's name. You obviously also overlooked the correct title on the talk page when you moved the article. I think the text in the article needs to be changed again and the article itself needs to be moved again if it is to carry the correct title. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 14:05, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll give it a shot...Modernist (talk) 16:59, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

colescott
Dear, modernist within a parantheses with birth and death dates and place born and died is it not supposed to read just with straight facts? In a sentance it would say "he died" but within the parantheses it should read with just the born and died- (he) is implicit elsewhere. I will not change it back pending your reply. And your contributions are very impressive.Masterknighted (talk) 15:54, 6 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I simplified the opening..with no parentheses..I think it's ok because the infobox supplies the additional information....thanks for your note...Modernist (talk) 18:07, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Judith
I'm having difficuly with Judith Slaying Holofernes as Gentileschi painted two versions. I'm relying on web sources only, so would appreciate if you could check that all is correct. I'm thinking a page move is in order to make way for an article on the later depiction, or should both be combined into one article. Ceoil (talk) 13:56, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it looks ok now...probably one article for now...Modernist (talk) 14:08, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * That was fast. Thank you. Ceoil (talk) 14:18, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Belated thanks
...for this. I was rather panicked at the time and didn't see it. All good things, as always, Kafka Liz (talk) 16:41, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey Liz, I admire your true grit...Modernist (talk) 18:33, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Heh, thanks. Kafka Liz (talk) 20:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * ping. Kafka Liz (talk) 01:08, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry to hear...Modernist (talk) 01:44, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Color Field
Its rare to find an article on a 20th century movement as well developed and insightful as this, I really enjoyed going through it tonight. One thing, could you flesh out the lead a little for the less well informed such as me? Sorry for asking, but I get the feeling you could knock it out in your sleep! Whatever, this is great work. Ceoil (talk) 22:50, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll give it some thought - thanks for your input greatly appreciated...Modernist (talk) 22:53, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Bauhaus
I'm a bit late to the party, but I've made some comments relating to the Talk:Bauhaus/Archive 1/Archives/ 1. --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:22, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that, could've used another voice back then...:)...Modernist (talk) 12:07, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well you have one now - perhaps we can thrash something out on the talk page? --Joopercoopers (talk) 14:57, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * At the time it was useless speaking with the full of himself (and maybe not so), Intelligent Mr. Toad, I'll give it a new read, and your input looks good....Modernist (talk) 15:02, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Content editors
Ta. I had seen it and your endorsement, but hadn't spotted my name at no. 100. I'm glad Johnbod thinks we "should be ok"!  Ty  01:51, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think we can add a few things...Modernist (talk) 01:56, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Modernist. I've answered, sort of, on my talk page. JNW (talk) 02:40, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I guess Groucho had a good point! .. Modernist (talk) 21:40, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You bet your life. I have never been much of a joiner to begin with, though being asked is always nice. I admire the ambition and idealism behind such proposals, but for numerous reasons it's hard to make such concepts work... As always, it's good to hear from you no matter what...you are a tireless and wonderfully productive contributor. With respect, JNW (talk) 23:47, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * A firestorm of protest ensued...he said the secret word and he's outta here ..Modernist (talk) 23:51, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi, I just wanted to thank you for me to be included among the Established Editors. It's nice to know that my minor efforts have been noticed by such an exceptional contributor as yourself. We've never had any direct contact, and this seems as good a time as any to tell you how much I've admired your work. I think of you as the heart and soul of Wikipedia's art community. Your contributions are greatly appreciated. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 18:46, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your kind words...I think you are one of the most capable editors here..who does important work...Modernist (talk) 19:49, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Established Editors
Discussion of objectives here. Peter Damian (talk) 20:05, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Vincent van Gogh GAR notification
I am writing you because you are one of the editors with over 100 edits on Vincent van Gogh. Vincent van Gogh has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 05:20, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * See comments at GAR on gallery images.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 14:43, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks Tony, good work...Modernist (talk) 15:03, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I count over twenty paragraphs without references. Let me know if my count is off.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 20:13, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm done, show me the guideline that says every paragraph needs a reference......Modernist (talk) 20:14, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Dada
Got to love it. Johannes Baader- "In 1919 exactly a year after the abdication of the Kaiser, Baader printed calling cards proclaiming he was President of the Earth and Universe. He applied to teach at Gropius's Bauhaus with these qualifications. An unimpressed Gropius declined." --Joopercoopers (talk) 01:21, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I guess Walter was a man of the people who didn't countenance oberdada's, kings, presidents and wacko's from outer space...Modernist (talk) 01:31, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * *snicker* Kafka Liz (talk) 01:34, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Collage
Thanks for your removals there. It's great to know there's someone from the visual arts project ready to help out with NFC issues where necessary. J Milburn (talk) 12:34, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Always willing to serve :)...Modernist (talk) 12:35, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Vincent
Appreciated, and thanks for your help there too...Modernist (talk) 12:08, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ditto from me. I intend to close the GAR, but with all the interest in improving the article, I will wait a few days.  Thanks for the barnstar.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 05:02, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I was going to pass this, but I noticed that the request "Make sure that each image included in the main body is mentioned in the text by name" has not been addressed. The very first image titled Still-Life is not mentioned.  Would you mind running through the article.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 03:46, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Good catch Tony - Still-Life was misdated, misnamed, placed in the wrong section, and the caption was wrong too. Fixed now...Modernist (talk) 04:33, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I think they are all mentioned in the text now...Modernist (talk) 05:21, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Great collaboration!
Vincent's favorite flower is to express gratitude. Thank you,--RPD (talk) 23:39, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Much appreciated, thank you.You have also done a great job...Modernist (talk) 23:53, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

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Vincent van Gogh PR
You were part of the group of editors who contributed over 500 edits to the WP:GAR of Vincent van Gogh. There was talk page discussion of nominating his article for WP:FAC, but I think WP:PR is a better next step. Please watch and assist at Peer review/Vincent van Gogh/archive2. Hopefully, then we can pursue a WP:FA.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 23:16, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks Tony, I've watchlisted it...Modernist (talk) 01:37, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Heads up
Are you following the discussion on WR? I think Kato/Hoary is about right on this. Shame. Ceoil (talk) 07:43, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably it's a good idea to not upload images until this thing works itself out...Modernist (talk) 13:01, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Caravaggio
I have conducted a GA Sweeps reassessment of this article and found a large number of concerns which can be see ay Talk:Caravaggio/GA1. The article has been de-listed, but can be brought back to WP:GAN when these have been addressed. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 15:32, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Too bad...Modernist (talk) 15:37, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Just a helpful reminder
Re: As per current criteria, an article is still considered an orphan if it has fewer than three other articles linking to it. Sudac Collection currently only has one incoming link so technically it is still an orphan. -- &oelig; &trade; 22:16, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Now I know, thank you...Modernist (talk) 01:20, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Commons:File:P0055av Ring.jpg
Hi, Could you leave a note on this image, to confirm it's status?

With recent events, It would be nice to be sure :) Sfan00 IMG (talk) 23:10, 18 July 2009 (UTC)


 * It's a friendly request, to get some details so an image doesn't get deleted at Commons.

Sfan00 IMG (talk) 23:44, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Done...Its a valuable image needed by the Visual Arts project, that originally came directly from the artist....Modernist (talk) 23:57, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Art Renewal Center
I have to say, I do appreciate that you just go ahead and say what some of us are thinking... freshacconci<FONT COLOR="#B22222"> talk</FONT><FONT COLOR="#2F4F4F">talk</FONT> 01:34, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It's a tough job but somebody has to do it. :)...Modernist (talk) 01:35, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Decade articles
Do you think you could contribute some prose rather than lists and lists of (predominantly American) sports stars? You might want to cite a few examples of events that are famous even today. Thanks Kransky (talk) 11:40, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Nothing prevents you from adding information to those articles. I'll think about it, thank you for your comments...Modernist (talk) 12:10, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Alt text
Have you seen this? I think someday this is going to bite us on the butt on WP:FAR. O well if its not one thing it'll be another. Have you been talking to Liz lately? I get the feeling some cheering up is due. On a totally unrealted note I only discovered the Kinks this weekend. wow. Funny, when I were a lad I always tought the music my father was into was tosh, but as I get older....Maybe the old dog wasn't do foolish afterall! Ceoil (talk) 13:58, 19 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Ceoil, a picture is still worth a thousand words. I haven't heard from Liz in quite a while, uh oh..., your Dad knew what he was talkin' about...Modernist (talk) 14:18, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep, bless him. I've been listening to the Kinks now for 3 or four hours and its been great. Im very jesous you lived through all this. Ceoil (talk) 19:48, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The Kinks are great...ah the good old days, how did that go - in the days of old, in the days of gold in the days of 49...Modernist (talk) 20:45, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Hyperreality
This might be a bit outside of your bailiwick, but if you have a moment, can you take a look at the recent edits to the hyperreality article? This is now 3RR situation, so I am not going to touch the article again, but I would like some other eyes to look at the edits, anyway. You should also take a look at the comment the anonymous editor left on the talk page. I thank you for your time. ---<font face="Georgia"> RepublicanJacobite  The'FortyFive' 02:06, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You went above and beyond the call of duty, sir. I appreciate you taking the time, truly.  Having referenced the "sex doll," I now think that it is appropriate for that section.  Most of the rest of it, though, is bollocks.  Cheers! ---<font face="Georgia"> RepublicanJacobite  The'FortyFive'  03:36, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Vincent's capitals
Per Talk:Vincent_van_Gogh/Archive_1 the usage determined is "Vincent van Gogh", but "Van Gogh".  Ty  08:07, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed...Modernist (talk) 11:11, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Van der Weyden
I'm trying to improve Van der Weyden... as explained here[] Mick gold (talk) 14:20, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

thanks
thanks for all your assistance and advice in regards to the painting files. Kingturtle (talk) 18:09, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Glad to help...Modernist (talk) 18:14, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Spam blacklist for www.SaintTitan.com
All these edits are coming from dynamic addresses via Carphone Warehouse's ISP (over 1 million IP addresses). It isn't possible to block all of them, and the destination site has no intrinsic value, so I would support a long-term block of the destination site. Let me know if I can help - Pointillist (talk) 23:32, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I made the block request here:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam. Lets see what happens. Thanks...Modernist (talk) 23:54, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * FYI, Next time feel free to add this type of request to MediaWiki_talk:Spam-blacklist..;) Thanks for catching this mess, I've added it to the blacklist. Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam Cheers--Hu12 (talk) 06:10, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help...Modernist (talk) 10:58, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Joanne Gair
Please revisit Joanne Gair. I have never been sent a promotional image before and am not sure about protocol.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 18:26, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Tony - As far as I know self-promotional images have to be released via CC-BY-2.0...Modernist (talk) 21:27, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Well done
Your recent edits to the 1940s reflect what I think these articles should be about - a brief, comprehensive, and strategic view of the decade (in this case, of the cinema of the era). It makes for better reading than lists of people or dot points of incidents. Well done! Kransky (talk) 09:19, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comments...Modernist (talk) 11:46, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

A slumber did my spirit seal
If the above page being redlinked is what prevents you from support The Lucy poems at FAC, I can supply a page on the poem. Creative differences and other problems obstructed its creation before. If soneone else chimes in and would rather prefer to be the creator, as he created some of the other pages, then I will differ to him on the matter. Ottava Rima (talk) 23:07, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ottava, I have read the poem, I feel that creating or starting that article is important even if it needs to be further developed over time. I am wanting to support the Lucy Poems and hopefully it'll get done. I'd volunteer except I differ to those that know so much more than I do about the poems...Modernist (talk) 23:41, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. A slumber did my spirit seal. Unfortunately, someone posted some info there, which was mostly copied from the main article and may cause some problems bringing it to DYK, which would be unfortunate. Ottava Rima (talk) 01:25, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * By the way, I have many, many works on Wordsworth, as he is part of my field. If there are any other poems that you would like to see bluelinked, please feel free to ask. I have been working hard to try and cover all of the major Coleridge works as I slowly sweep back and forth over the Romantic poets. Ottava Rima (talk) 01:26, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Once again, thanks and well done...Modernist (talk) 01:35, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the help
It seems every two weeks or so an editor like this pops up. All for an artist trained by Arno Breker! <FONT COLOR="#000000">freshacconci</FONT><FONT COLOR="#B22222"> talk</FONT><FONT COLOR="#2F4F4F">talk</FONT> 14:43, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll keep my eye on it...Modernist (talk) 14:44, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Vincent Van Gogh
If you want to nominate, Vincent Van Gogh for WP:FA, I will help as a co-nom. I still think more text needs to be added, but the article is making progress and the eyes of the FAC community might helpit to move forward.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 21:01, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks Tony, I think it is nearly there, let me give it some thought, it does need some additional text...Modernist (talk) 21:52, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Guys I think its still to erly. I'm following this closely, and impressed by the work from both of ye, however give it a wee bit more time yet. Its vey close though I agree. Ceoil (talk) 19:59, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I hear you. I'm still adding to the lead, thanks for your input...Modernist (talk) 20:20, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I am going to get going on the WP:ALT text.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 21:28, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks Tony, I will continue to expand the text as time permits...Modernist (talk) 21:43, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the density of images might be ok for GA, but painful as it is, this will cause a problem in an FAC. A good number will need to be cut, and I think ye need to be judicious and detached here. It will be a tough call, but better to do it before the glare of FAC. Modernist, remember the same problem with CDF. Ceoil (talk) 16:28, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * One other thing, Tony mentioned that the text needs to be expanded in areas, and I agree. However, rather than ending up with a massive page (it is alrealy huge), greater use of summary style needs to be made. Some areas are over detailed and can be spun out, making way for other sections that will provide greater balance of coverage. Thoughts? Ceoil (talk) 16:38, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree that we will never get through FAC with so many images. A gallery like the one at Friedrich might help. I created a gallery with text as I did with Caspar David Friedrich but Tony dispersed it...I can recreate a similar smaller one if Tony and whoever else joins in to help can agree that is the way to succeed. I expanded the lead and I don't intend to write anymore right now.

Ceoil part of the problem is that Van Gogh is so famous and so popular that my impulse is to try to cover everything as we have now. I am not sure what you mean by summary style...his life story is very well ingrained in our collective imaginations...I hope you, Tyrenius, Rogo, Johnbod, JNW, Litho, Liz, Outriggr, Yomangani and others can lend a hand when the time comes. Tony is working on alt text for the images, I just did a couple. I appreciate your input...Modernist (talk) 18:17, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I think reduce the images now, because if that trimming process happens during the FAC, it will just create an impression. And help tends to come late Modernist, just keep on putting in the hard work and it will work out. I think there is a really great page already there, only tidying is needed at this stage, small bits and pieces. Darkest before dawn. Ceoil (talk) 20:39, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I expanded the lead and I don't intend to write anymore right now. Yeah, a full ce is whats most needed now, and i'll help ye where I can. This might take us time, but it will be worthwile. Ceoil (talk) 21:00, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * O and Modernist, you have written over 7 FAC's now; I think thats fairly bloody good experience and you certainly know whats what. Dont let Tony override what your gut tells you. Ceoil (talk) 21:10, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I would concur. I just commented on the talk page that I defer to you art folks on most issues.  The article continues to be only 43KB of prose.  My expectation of an article about a person like this would be a 50-55KB main article, leaning toward the high side as it relates to WP:SIZE.  Also, I would surely revise the WP:LEAD to be within policy of 4 paragraph max.  Five is a surefire FAC problem.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 13:29, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Agree on the lead. 5 paras is messy. Difficult career to summarise though, there is so much to say. Ceoil (talk) 23:35, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I will work on shortening it to 4; and then eventually adding some more gossip :)Modernist (talk) 23:38, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Some dirt might spice it up real good! Lets dish all in the 3rd para. Ceoil (talk) 00:28, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That is the place of choice...Modernist (talk) 00:30, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * To Tony; before going an additional 15KB, I'd like to see the existing prose tightened. Its verbose, loose and listy in places, I think a concentrated ce from all involved is whats most needed now. I admit the density of images bothers me; I think from an astetic POV the ratio of pics to text is overraught, but also, on a relatively slow connection here, it takes ages for me to refresh the page. Ceoil (talk) 01:01, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * More can be said about the paintings as well...Modernist (talk) 01:06, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Have you seen this doc? I have an avi copy; if you are on any peer to peer network I can pass it on. Its 760Mb, and Schama is as irrating as ever, but still its essential viewing. Ceoil (talk) 12:03, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * One other thing, do you have many of the books used as sources? I dont, but have order a few and expect to have them around next weekend or early the week after. I would like to replace as many of the web souces as possible, I think its best aslo that we check each and ever existing source used, tiresome as that is, but its probably safest. Ceoil (talk) 12:07, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It looks like the whole world is watching...I have Tralbaut, Marc Edo. Vincent van Gogh, Hulsker, Jan. The Complete Van Gogh, Rewald, John. Studies in Post-Impressionism, Rewald, John. Post-Impressionism: From van Gogh to Gauguin, Pickvance, Ronald. Van Gogh In Saint-Rémy and Auvers, Pickvance, Ronald. Van Gogh in Arles, - and I picked up another book the other day Van Gogh by Judy Sund that hasn't been used yet. However I haven't seen the Rewald's for some time, I'll have to search them out if I need to. By the way Litho didn't respond, maybe you should ping him. Ceoil I want to have a great article with the paintings. If we have to cut the paintings to please the FA folks, then I'm outta here. Agree with you about Dali by the way, and Miro of course....Modernist (talk) 12:27, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Re paintings; I know and I softened to the idea after finding the work you are doing on the galleries in user space - its great! This is going to be a very long article, I think we can accommodate quite a lot of thumbs. I'm going to leave it to you to decide what is appropriate, and I'll back you up whatever you decide. O and thats a lot of books! Ceoil (talk) 12:37, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm a bit worried about the Dali posting, I wasn't getting at Ty as he was only peace making and preventing a heated battle. I havn't figured out how to adjust the color on an individual page; could you show by maybe tirning the infobox bar on Bacon's page orange? <Hint hint> And I think Outriggr speaks german? Ceoil (talk) 12:44, 16 August 2009 (UTC)Ceoil (talk) 12:41, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Done..so let riggr earn his keep..Ty and I had to fight just to keep the blue about a year ago...Modernist (talk) 12:59, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, looks great. I just watched a doc on Bacon this moring, ach I really love that man. Modernist, I be interested to know what you think of this. Its very impressionistic, sound wise everything just blends together and it reminds me of the feeling of half awake dreams you sometimes get before nodding off. You need to listen at low volume, with the bass turned up. Its from perhalps my favourite album of all time, one which Wesley brought to FA. Ceoil (talk) 13:04, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Visually stunning act, I guess you gotta be there though...Modernist (talk) 13:13, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * O well, was worth a try. Talk to you later. Ceoil (talk) 13:38, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Its not a live recording, its the studio version. If it sounds twisted, backwards, broken and discordant, thats how its supposed to sound. Listen again. Like John Cage; but with a tune and a 140 bpm drum kick (if you listen really closely). Ceoil (talk) 20:04, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ceoil, I'll give it another look. hmmm, they sound more like La Monte Young than John Cage to me though, I like them...Modernist (talk) 20:11, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I actually dont know La Monte Young; I've read about him a lot, indirectly through the other 1960s minimalists and of course the Velves, but I've never heard his work. I know he specialised for a long time in drones, and of course thats what the link above is all about. Must investigate...Ceoil (talk) 00:11, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Re. Robert Petrick
I have mentioned you at User_talk:Chase_me_ladies,_I%27m_the_Cavalry.  Ty  23:50, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Felipe Jesus Consalvos
Please read my comments in Talk:Collage. Klyber (talk) 02:35, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Commented there...Modernist (talk) 10:12, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Caspar David Friedrich
I was in the middle of updating the infobox for this page. Why did you remove it? It provides organized information at a glance and makes an article richer.AlexGWU (talk) 19:46, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's a big thorn in the side of most WP:WPVA members. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Caspar_David_Friedrich#Infobox_revert for an intro to this issue... <FONT COLOR="#2F4F4F">Litho</FONT><FONT COLOR="#464646">derm</FONT> 19:51, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I know...Modernist (talk) 19:55, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I read your response on my talk page and also read the links provided here above. I also respect the hard work and the precision of the editors in most of the VA articles. I am not reverting this article, but in general I think the infobox provides an added value to the articles and for the public, simply because there are always a percentage of people who may just be looking for that very summary of information. When the technology exists why deprive people/researchers of this feature? AlexGWU (talk) 22:59, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * As I have said to you before - keep up the good work Alex, but stay in the present...Modernist (talk) 04:22, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Page watch
I know you are a very efficient art page watcher. If you would not mind, I would like assistance watching Post-black art.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 21:43, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll keep an eye on it Tony...Modernist (talk) 22:12, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Goya
Thanks for the edits. Very reassuring to see you have an eye on the page. Ceoil (talk) 16:15, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You guys are both doing a good job with an important and worthy article...Modernist (talk) 16:23, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I am expecting that you guys will be come we guys'? I would not be confident enough to take the page with out ya. I can do the writing, but I need more informed eyes to keep watch. Ceoil (talk) 16:32, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thats what we do - create art from chaos :)...Modernist (talk) 16:38, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * He he. Pity Liz is inactive. I am asking around, we might be able to ressurect the old FA team yet. I think this can easily be done alongside Vincent. Appropus of nothing; here is a nice link (from mdm Butterfly). Ceoil (talk) 16:42, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Now that is a great work, thank you...Modernist (talk) 16:57, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Did I hear my name? Kafka Liz (talk) 15:59, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You did indeed...Modernist (talk) 16:02, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I owe you an email, I think, about my recent trip. Really can't say more here, except that I met some of those big house dwellers up close and personal. Kafka Liz (talk) 16:07, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds interesting...Modernist (talk) 16:11, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It's probably something you had to be there for - the content is probably less interesting than the context. Still... Kafka Liz (talk) 16:16, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Memorable, haunting, unforgettable, come to mind, even after all these years...Modernist (talk) 16:21, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The experience... left me a bit gobsmacked, as they say (or used to, perhaps). On my way out the door, but... ! Kafka Liz (talk) 16:27, 2 September 2009 (UTC) (gah. more later!)

Have finally written said email. Hope it's not too dull... Kafka Liz (talk) 21:43, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Interesting tale, sent you a response, thanks...Modernist (talk) 22:32, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Would you mind giving a view at. Ceoil (talk) 23:32, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

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Retirement
Thank you for your message, I appreciate it. This was not planned, and it was only a recent incident that pushed me to this decision. I wish it had not gone this way. Thanks again. ---<font face="Georgia"> RepublicanJacobite  The'FortyFive' 15:01, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You are a good editor, take a break, I hope that you reconsider...Modernist (talk) 15:03, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Hemingway
Thanks for putting in the protection request -- I had to log off and didn't have time, so sent up a help signal of sorts. Not sure I should be editing the article, but I have the biographies on my desk, and in general I think the Hemingway article on Wikipedia should be of better quality, so I'm adding to it as I have time. Hope that's okay. Thanks again. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 01:15, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm pleased that you are working on the article, it needs work, Hemingway is an important 20th century literary icon...Modernist (talk) 01:19, 3 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi, I was wondering whether you could help me upload some images? This is of Hemingway's grave on flickr, and this of the memorial which is separate. If either of these could be used in the article, then that section can be cleaned up a bit, but I've never actually uploaded an image. Thanks. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 00:15, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The Flickr image is copyrighted by the uploader, so someone will have to send them a message convincing them to change their claim on it to Creative Commons 3.0 Generic, allowing derivative works and commercial use. I should be able to do that over the weekend, as I've done it with two other pictures before. They're usually happy to oblige in that respect. As for the other one, pffffhhh, who knows what its copyright status is? If only one could cherry-pick the best images on the internet. It would have to uploaded under fair use if we were to use it. I tend to look on Flickr before I look anywhere else because there is a built in mechanism on the site whereby I can contact the creator and have them change the license, without having to fool about with email and OTRS. This group on Flickr appears to have pics from both the grave and the memorial. See if anything there is usable and get back to me. (Sorry to be a somewhat aggressive talk page stalker, Modernist!) <FONT COLOR="#2F4F4F">Litho</FONT><FONT COLOR="#464646">derm</FONT> 01:29, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Modernist, I should have put this on the article talkpage. This from the Flickr group is fine. I'm not sure the memorial is necessary. Thanks for the response. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 02:28, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Litho is the best at this issue. I've been engaged in real stuff, but I'll do what I can...Modernist (talk) 02:33, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

OK, I've messaged the uploader of the Flickr image. I'll have to wait before a response before I can upload it; at this stage I can't promise anything. I'll check my flickr acct periodically. <FONT COLOR="#2F4F4F">Litho</FONT><FONT COLOR="#464646">derm</FONT> 03:23, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks again, appreciated...Modernist (talk) 03:25, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

AE discussion
Thanks for letting me know; I seem to have missed all the excitement. Jayjg <small style="color:darkgreen;">(talk) 01:25, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm glad to help, yeah, probably just as well that you missed the fireworks...Modernist (talk) 01:27, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Doing our best
Quite so. I look forward to working with you. -<font face="Georgia"> RepublicanJacobite  The'FortyFive'
 * I wish the best to you concerning your father, I hope he gets well...Modernist (talk) 14:55, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Las Meninas
I think this para just crept in, can you take a look; its poorly formed at present, at best. Ceoil (talk) 03:48, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it's a fringe theory, unproven, primarily because the Royal couple might well have been standing there anyway. A footnote yes, at best; expendable...Modernist (talk) 04:17, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Just too literalist - How many children had Lady Macbeth?. Johnbod (talk) 04:28, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Exactly, as though any of it really matters, or says anything...Modernist (talk) 04:33, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Gone. Just goes to show how articles naturally depreciate if not watched. Ceoil (talk) 10:38, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Portal:Sharks
Can't believe I didn't think of the Hirst one! I've added that and The Gulf Stream to the culture section, in an attempt to counterbalance Shark Tale and Street Sharks... Any more you know are very welcome, thanks for your help. J Milburn (talk) 19:18, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll give it some more thought...:)Modernist (talk) 19:25, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Muses
He isn't! I think placing work by this minor sculptor at the intro to an article discussing the very nature of sculpture is silly; however, I don't have the inclination to make an issue of this. I'm sure that when the article receives due attention (it is painfully substandard) the placement of images will be duly improved. Ελληνικά όρος ή φράση (talk) 18:17, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your opinion, although I disagree...Modernist (talk) 18:30, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Fair enough :) Ελληνικά όρος ή φράση (talk) 02:48, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Lichtenstein
We are in agreement then.  Ty  03:08, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I hope things calm down over there...Modernist (talk) 12:01, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with Ty in that the comic image should be included, and while the pic uploaded was put together in good faith, it is not a fair comparison. I have watchlised the page anyhow. Ceoil (talk) 12:55, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Appreciate that, I think we all agree...Modernist (talk) 12:57, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Tune
There is a lot of Beatles going around this week with the release of the box set. So. By the way, great work on the JW article. Ceoil (talk) 06:30, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh boy, I heard the news today...Johnny we hardly knew ye...Thanks Ceoil, what a great genius he was, what a loss...Modernist (talk) 11:30, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ping. Ceoil (talk) 13:31, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Catch it later thanks Ceoil, gotta go now...Modernist (talk) 13:37, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * This is my aplopgy for you know what. Ceoil (talk) 23:53, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No apology necessary, but now thats a great piece of music, Brian on maracca's and John in the wings....Modernist (talk) 00:06, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I feel very sorry for Brian in that piece, maracca was a real demotion. A tragic figure, the vid is very revealing. Ceoil (talk) 00:23, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Truth be told Brian doesn't look too happy there...Modernist (talk) 00:26, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, he seems unimpressed. He died soon after, yet to be fair, the Sones were only 'tolerating' his presence at the time. Very sad story. Ceoil (talk) 00:28, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * What can you say, the Stones went on and Brian fell by the wayside...Modernist (talk) 00:37, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well Mick is a money grabbing bastard, in my openion. Have you seen Godard's 1968 film excerpt here. Brian in good shape still, though he was at his best in the earlier years when the band was forming and he was a mover and shaker in the pre beatles London scene. So handsome and such a charmer. Ceoil (talk) 00:44, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It is cool to see Keif upright in the Godard clip for a change, in most of cocksucker blues he is falling off chairs. Ceoil (talk) 00:59, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Weiss
Thanks. It was one I had intended to start, but it got lost on the way...  Ty  03:07, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Your improvements have really turned it into a good article, I'm also sorry we didn't get to it sooner but better now then later...:) Modernist (talk) 03:10, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Credit to you for getting it off the ground. If you do a google search for:
 * "Jerry Weiss" site:http://www.theartistsmagazine-digital.com

you'll find a list of the articles he's written for The Artist's Magazine. Some more material from them could make a good addition with maybe an image from one of the past masters he is analysing, for comparison. There is a six page article in the June 2008 issue on Weiss, which I've used, but that edition is not online. I'll mail you a pdf.  Ty  03:33, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll look for it...Modernist (talk) 03:35, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Just sent.  Ty  03:43, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Got em...Modernist (talk) 04:10, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Featured article candidates/First Roumanian-American congregation
Thank you for your supportive comments! Jayjg <small style="color:darkgreen;">(talk) 06:02, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Reverting my edit
Why did you revert this without explanation? Mahahahaneapneap (talk) 16:30, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * See Talk:The_Raft_of_the_Medusa.  Ty  02:06, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Cannon
Hi Modernist, I just wanted to let you know that "cannon" is appropriate as both singular and plural. (Cannons is also appropriate for plural.)  I generally use "cannon" for both in my writing; please don't change it unilaterally as I use the word so much that it would be easy to miss one and have it be inconsistent. Thanks! Karanacs (talk) 16:56, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Karanacs please keep them consistent, I actually like cannon better...Modernist (talk) 17:09, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I didn't notice that there were other instances of "..s". I've replaced those now. Karanacs (talk) 17:14, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Vincent
We need to better arrange the bio section than by where he live at different times. That seems dry and unrevealing to me. I'll take a stab tonight, please jump in. Ceoil (talk) 22:19, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

A question
Hello Modernist.

I'm a periodic contributor to Wikipedia. Perhaps you can give me some info.

Quite some time ago (maybe a year or so ago) I noticed you had added a link for Surrealism-plays.com on the Surrealism page. It was swiftly removed by Republican Jacobite. I am a writer who has studied Surrealism for thirty years (including multiple trips to Paris), and while I've made a number of contributions to Wikipedia over the years (creating new pages and adding to others, usually related to Surrealism), I stopped making any attempts to add to the Surrealism page long ago, because whatever I had to offer was immediately deleted by Republican Jacobite (or others), always without explanation. On a couple of occasions I politely opened discussions on various discussion pages, trying to find out why my contributions were deleted, but never once received a reply.

A week or so ago I made the stupid mistake of adding Surrealism-Plays as a link again. For me, the site is the largest resource for information on Surrealism on the Internet. From the movement's history, to bios, to poetry, to manifestos & writing, to art work...I don't know of another site that offers all of this. As always, I was simply trying to add something for people who are interested in learning about Surrealism.

Of course, Republican Jacobite has resurfaced, deleting the link.

I've never been an excessive Wikipedian, only making periodic contributions when I feel I have some info to offer. But, to be honest, the territorial nature and infighting on this site seems beyond anything I'm interested in being a part of, so I won't make any more contributions.

However, since you are a regular contributor who has, on occasion, been involved on the Surrealism page, I was just curious if you could fill me in on what this is all about. Why does Republican Jacobite constantly delete the contributions of people who are just trying to share info, without any explanation or discussion? And what does he have against the Surrealism-plays site. Check out the site for yourself Surrealism-plays.comand you'll see it currently has more info on Surrealism than any other site on the net. That's the only reason I added it. I thought it might be of help for people interested in learning about Surrealism. But I should have known a well-meaning contribution would somehow just lead to trouble.

In any case, I was just curious from a regular participant if you had any idea why this goes on and what's behind it? It baffles me. Wikipedia is a wonderful idea, and a tremendous opportunity for people to share information. Unfortunately, I guess there are egos involved (about what I still don't understand), and it's driven well-meaning people like myself to no longer contribute.

Just curious if you have any response.

Stanislaw BrechtStanislaw brecht (talk) 05:20, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Goya
- Cheers! Um, you mentioned chocklate. I am starving. Ceoil (talk) 17:59, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

A moveable feast
Today's treats. Enjoy! JNW (talk) 18:09, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * My cup runneth over!..Modernist (talk) 21:11, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Rice
He's good...Modernist (talk) 02:46, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Tune
He's young yet and inclinded to emote; but voice. You owe me "1" tune. Ceoil (talk) 02:39, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

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Thanks for the Vermeer help
Thank you for notifing the author of the article about the plagiarism concering it. I would've done it myself but I had to finish my project on the painting quickly and efficiently and although I would've liked to help, doing so would've been a distraction to my research writing groove. I thank you for taking the time out to help. --Kurtcool2 (talk) 18:34, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem, good catch...Modernist (talk) 19:25, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

What is the road to hell paved with?
No, no... please permit me to set you right. The road to hell is actually paved with frozen door-to-door salesmen. (Pratchett/Gaiman, Good Omens.) Regards, Bishonen | talk 22:45, 5 October 2009 (UTC).
 * Hmmm I guess my dad meant encyclopedia salesman gone rogue. or is it rouge?...Modernist (talk) 23:05, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, the age-old question: rogue or rouge? Depends whether they were admins or not, I guess. All I know is, on weekends some of the younger demons go ice-skating down it. Bishonen | talk 23:31, 5 October 2009 (UTC).
 * And that can get really tricky, especially in your secret identity, where it pays to remain as you were, in silence and in awestruck amazement at the audacity of the skaters rhyme...Modernist (talk) 23:37, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Plagiarism or copyright violations at The Allegory of Faith
Please see my comment on the article talk page. Do you now think there are any copyright violations or plagiarism? I'm confused after looking at your edits to the article. CountryDoctor (talk) 00:21, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * See my response ...Modernist (talk) 00:23, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Marshalsea
Hi Modernist, just a quick note to say thank you for your kind comments about the Marshalsea. The positive feedback makes it all worthwhile. Best, SlimVirgin  talk| contribs 20:09, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your excellent work, SlimVirgin, well deserved...Modernist (talk) 21:14, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Poor blighted Vincent!
I notice you've been cleaning up again. Well done! By the way, I hate your American spelling, (color) but it does seem to be consistent throughout the article, so I'll try to remember that in the future. Yawn! Good grief! It's 2.30 am! Amandajm (talk) 15:29, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks Amanda, I guess we have to choose American or English and try to be consistent, thanks for your strong input there, appreciated...Modernist (talk) 15:37, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Janet Fish
Thanks for your edits to Janet Fish. I like them all. Bus stop (talk) 19:52, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * You made a very good start there...Modernist (talk) 20:31, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Wheat fields
Would you mind checking the last para on this on the bio page - I have sources that are contradicting each other; I'm not sure I got it right. Ceoil (talk) 20:51, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * O and . Ceoil (talk) 20:53, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Infobox artist
Thanks for the revert! It would be great to have a testcase to fix the problem. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 02:58, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I left you one there...Modernist (talk) 03:02, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, I believe I fixed it in the sandbox. If you try {{infobox artist/sandbox, then hit "show preview", it should be fine now?  If so, I will make the change in the live template. Thanks! Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)  03:05, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, hopefully it'll be ok...Modernist (talk) 03:07, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Picasso
I think I've found the perfect sound for your article. The singers are a bit too conventionaly attractive for my taste, but what an earthy piece of music. ::::Sounds good, I won't be back until later and I'll proof the alt images then. Gotta think about Ceoil (talk) 11:38, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Gorgeous, and a compelling thought, wouldn't that be cool - to have suggested sound tracks on articles...Modernist (talk) 11:51, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, yes, yes. By the way, I want to move on to the picasso so I'm going to let go of the Goya today and put it on FAC...once the frigging alts are out of the way! When that is done, I'd prefer if you nomed for yourself, myself and Johnbod (Lucy still stings!) I dont want to write the non, I'd appreciate if you did the honours. Ceoil (talk) 12:20, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

the nom, though. You can almost hear those five girls singing, like in the tales of brave Ulysses...Modernist (talk) 12:32, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I have a thing about Sirens, but thats a chat for another day! Anyway, later is fine. The Picasso is looking real good, I read it again today, and I can see clearly where we need to work. I'm very intersted, and very glad to help here; it will be a great project, and I can see I will learn a lot. Best, Ceoil (talk) 12:34, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Ping. Ceoil (talk) 21:41, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Good timing, I just walked in, please just write articles, hey - I'll check on the disasters but this weekend I have a million things to get done. Focus on the articles...Modernist (talk) 21:51, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Good luck with your million things Modernist. I take your advice. Ceoil (talk) 22:05, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * This is my suggested listening for the Goya. I prefer the Communio, but this seems more apt. What fun we will have tring to soundtrack Vincent! He. Ceoil (talk) 20:34, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Mozart is definitely apropos...Modernist (talk) 22:59, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Very nice work on the alt text for Goya. I'm at my sister's house this weekend and not able to text, or edit much, but just to say I think the thing with Outriggr was a simple mistake, I dont read too much into it. These things happen, though its no fun when people you like fall out. I hope there are no hard feelings from it. Ceoil (talk) 07:30, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Outriggr is very bright and an important part of this article writing team, as he said he has a particular sense of humor that doesn't always sit well with me, but no hard feelings...Modernist (talk) 11:09, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Exactly, we are a team. I know the way myself and Outiggr mess around might seem cliquly, and we do troll each other as part of an 'in joke', but all it is is guys messing around, I hope it is harmless. Both you and him are highly valued in my book. At the end of the day, Outiggr, along with Liz, is one of the best copy editors this site has, and a friend (I consider you, Liz, Johnbod, JNW and Ty as friends also). Us Irishmen take friendship as serious business, and I've been very fortunate on wiki to find such friends with VA. We-you and me- have three projects now we are working towards (Goya, Vincent, Picasso), and we need Outriggr's help for each, regardless of the incarnation he edits under. Speaking of Picasso, I found a bunch of books (bios mainly) during the week, very looking forward. And I think we are only a week or two from a PR with Vincent. Good times! Ceoil (talk) 16:30, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, thanks Ceoil, I very much appreciate the friends that I have made here...Modernist (talk) 22:54, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm going to ask Rurhfish, Yannis and Ottava to comment at the PR for Vincent; F&f is already on board, I see very good guidance in our direction. My only problem now is; who/what is music the start of this interwiew, cause I really like it. Ceoil (talk) 07:15, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, you know there should be a new article one of these days called Ceoil's music - the range is both worldwide and timeless. I'm gonna look around for a couple of Picasso books around here that I have also besides the Richardson's...Modernist (talk) 14:18, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The first Richardson book has very strong material on the Gauguin. Something we might go back to at some stage. Ceoil (talk) 21:47, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'll get it together, go through my books in the next few days, the second Richardson starts with 1907 and Les Demoiselles...Modernist (talk) 21:51, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't have the 2nd one yet, only finished reading the first during the week (though I bought it a few years ago, lazy I suppose). It ends very tantilisingly on 1907! Ceoil (talk) 21:57, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It is a great series, but he needs to release some new ones, the last one ends in the 1930s, (my favorite) - long way to go...Modernist (talk) 22:01, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Proposed major reforms to decade articles
Hi - I noticed you have contributed recently to one or more of the decade articles (1990s, 1960s etc). I am proposing some major changes to these articles, as I have outlined in Talk:1990s/Archives/2012, and I would be interested in hearing your views in the first instance. Thanks. Kransky (talk) 09:02, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

RFA spam

 * &mdash;Kww(talk) 18:59, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Strange
Re. Talk:Albert Henry Krehbiel. If the article's been changed sufficiently to avoid copyvio, that's OK. If not, it should be reverted to non copyvio state, or if that's not possible, then blanked with copyvio notice. Or email and ask them to confirm with "permissions-en AT wikimedia DOT org" that they're releasing material under GFDL and CC-BY-SA-3.0.  Ty  23:05, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * OK I just blanked the BS. Here also - Talk:Dulah Marie Evans They've clearly worked overtime on the article - which seems ok more or less. It's the strange ego of the director that is in question. Lets see what happens now...Modernist (talk) 23:14, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:BITE. It looks like they're trying to do the right thing, but have misunderstood.  Ty  23:30, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I know that you are right, and sometimes....my rotten personality gets the better of me...Modernist (talk) 23:32, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * You rotter!.  Ty  00:21, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I know, every once in a while.....there I go again...Modernist (talk) 03:37, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Strange Check this talk page out:Talk:Albert Henry Krehbiel, I gotta figure this is a violation of 4 or 5 different things, and yet whatever...Modernist (talk) 22:56, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Check this talk page out:Talk:Albert Henry Krehbiel, I gotta figure this is a violation of 4 or 5 different things, and yet whatever...Modernist (talk) 22:56, 18 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Not strange at all "Modernist". I have spent timeless hours on the Albert Henry Krehbiel article and it provides a brief bit of information about this proven historically renowned American painter, muralist and art educator. If I were to condense the article any further, it would merely read "Albert Henry Krehbiel: American artist" with possibly one way-too-brief paragraph on his life and works.

All of the provided "References" (changed to "Notes" by some "Wikipedian") are well documented and supported by source at Libraries, Universities and artistic institutions throughout the country as well as world.

Some Wikipedian keeps removing my "way reduced quantity" of VERY PERTINENT AMD INFORMATIVE External links, of which I only see as supplementing (in a small and brief manner) any inquiring individual's knowledge and education on Albert Krehbiel.

Sincerely, I thank you both very much for all of the attention, assistance, and consideration that you have given toward Albert Henry Krehbiel's article at the most respected Wikipedia.

By the way, I am not the same guy as "Krehbielart". I am merely an individual that has taken great interest in both Albert Krehbiel and Dulah Marie Evans and their contributions to the art world. I will admit that I am divorced from a Krehbiel, but that has nothing to do with my independent AND ARTISTIC intellectual interest in all that Dulah Marie Evans and Albert Krehbiel have accomplished. Additionally, I have nothing to gain as I have no ownership or interest in any of either Dulah's or Albert's work or otherwise. "NO BS" and I would very much like to know what you meant by stating that you "removed all the BS”. Not strange at all "Modernist

For some unknown reason, I really feel that you have a bug and problem with both Albert Henry Krehbiel and Dulah Marie Evans and you should spend some time educating yourself on the two artists rather that spending so much wasted time attempting to discredit and stunt their well deserved exposure. I am related to Monet (BS), so maybe I should spend more time on his legacy at Wikipedia and you wouldn’t say a word like the disrespectful “BS” term that you so loosely used toward Dulah and Albert.

Sincerely, I thank you very much for all of the attention, assistance, and consideration that you have given toward Albert Henry Krehbiel's article at the most respected Wikipedia.

Dtr2009 --Dtr2009 (talk) 10:54, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * BS refers to all the pompous jargon, self-inflating rhetoric, bold type, capital letters that are used in your messages. We have given you advice as to how to edit, how to reference, how to use external links, and you ignore the advice and scream and rant when you don't get your way. You've been given instructions to read, and you ignore them. I suggested you look at other artists articles to understand that these 2 are not being singled out, but rather we have simply suggested improvements. At those 2 articles you edit war, and don't seem to be capable of taking advice, now you deny being the same editor who also only edits at those 2 artists pages, uses the same language, the same use of capital letters and bold type and seems also to misunderstand the very same things...Modernist (talk) 11:16, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * You'd be well advised (whatever your name is) to understand that this article like any scholarly article in any publication needs to be footnoted and referenced in line, especially when claims are asserted that are well beyond ordinary common knowledge. You were given the tools and the instructions as to how to add footnotes and references to your writing. You are well advised to read this as well WP:OWN, this article like other Wikipedia articles about artists needs to respect guidelines, MoS and policies as do Leonardo Da Vinci, Vincent van Gogh, Michelangelo, Claude Monet, Pierre-Auguste Renoir, Pablo Picasso and others do . Keep in mind that you do not own this article, and you never did...Modernist (talk) 12:08, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Take note - I do not think ill of either artist, it is you - the editor who unfortunately is creating such havoc that I take exception with. Also when you misused the term reference in one of your previous versions of the article I added a Notes section that basically is identical to a reference section, I saw that it bent you out of shape and you deleted it without realizing that it was placed there for your benefit...Modernist (talk) 12:21, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

User names
A bit of a misunderstanding. The first user was blocked for an inappropriate name and changed it. All legit. In the thread above, perhaps "I am not the same guy as 'Krehbielart'", means the web site of that name, rather than the wiki editor of that name?  Ty  11:51, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know, I think there's a little more than just misunderstanding going on there, a mystery solved though in regards to the name thanks Ty...Modernist (talk) 11:55, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Albert Krehbiel apology from Dtr2009
Dear "Modernist",

Let's call a truce to all of this purposeless bickering. You win. I am leaving it up to you to do as you feel with both the Albert Henry Krehbiel and the Dulah Marie Evans articles. All that I ask is that you leave the few External links, especially the Museum and Mural external links, and you can feel free to remove any References / Notes that you feel are not "substantiated".

Let's call a truce to all of this purposeless bickering. You win. I am leaving it up to you to do as you feel with both the Albert Henry Krehbiel and the Dulah Marie Evans articles. All that I ask is that you leave the few External links and you can feel free to remove any References / Notes that you feel are not "substantiated" or unverifiable.

In other words, you have carte blanche regarding the articles. I am spending way too much of my time on these articles (I do have a real career that I need to attend to). By the way, you are correct; I am Don Ryan and am the same individual as "Krehbielart". If you need to get in touch with me for any purpose (copyright or whatever), my email address is. Please accept my apology for my part in all this mess -- I never dealt with a site as demanding as Wikipedia and this has been a true learning experience that I will consider to be a positive one.

TRUCE AND PEACE!

Dtr2009--Dtr2009 (talk) 19:37, 26 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your remarks. I should say that I would prefer your learning how to properly inline reference those two articles and do them yourself. We all are or at least most of us have important careers and we are doing this as unpaid volunteers and we basically do the best job that we can...Modernist (talk) 21:22, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I fully intend on installing the inline references / footnotes as soon as I have the time. THIS WEEK IS KIND OF LOADED FOR ME BUSINESSWISE, SO PLEASE ALOW ME A BIT OF PATIENCE AND I WILL GET IT DONE. Please give my best to Ty and thank her/him for all of her/his help and assistance as well.

All the best. Don Dtr2009--Dtr2009 (talk) 23:00, 26 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't think there's any great urgency. Step by step improvement.  Ty  23:13, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * That's fine, sounds good - have a good week...Modernist (talk) 23:26, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you
— Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:22, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Tune
I think you might like this guy. He has a very dark voice and sings in an almost Sean Nós manner. Not much to pick from on you tube, but worth hes checking out. Oh and am obsessed by this at the moment. Its possible the finest blending (@ 2.27) of tunes I've heard so far. Tabhair Dom Do Lámh (give me your hand) is such an great tune, the way it unfolds and builds is circular, utterly logical and surprising all at the same time.

Well handled last night, bty. & I got some new sources for Goya. O and have you seen JNW's talk. Ceoil (talk) 15:19, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, we've been talking via email...Modernist (talk) 15:29, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Good. I wish him the best. Ceoil (talk) 15:37, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The Planxty are new to me and they are really great!..Modernist (talk) 15:40, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Referencing
Hi Modernist and thanks for your advice, but I really have no idea what the heck I am doing obviously. Can you believe that I developed one of the top art sites on thr Internet "under relevant search terms" -- all self taught BTW (HTML, Directory work, etc.) and I can't seem to get Wikipedia right. The bottom line here is I really need your much appreciated help. Thanks for everything, Dtr2009--Dtr2009 (talk) 14:10, 2 November 2009 (UTC), Don
 * I can format the material for you, but I don't know the material so I can't really place the correct source in the correct spot. I'll see what I can do...Modernist (talk) 14:29, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

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Why...
... this? These names have no articles attached to them, and nothing links to them besides the list of painters. Drmies (talk) 22:39, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply on the talk page...Modernist (talk) 22:52, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Drmies (talk) 22:53, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Request
I have a cousin that is doing an entry level art course at the moment, but is getting no guidance on perspective. There are a few tutorials on youtube and around, but they are fairly basic. Do you know which authors are good on this topic, or where is the best place to turn to. Ta for any advice. Ceoil (talk) 21:28, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I will give it some thought and find some good sources...Modernist (talk) 22:27, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Any luck with this. Ceoil (talk) 10:12, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I should know something later today...Modernist (talk) 13:29, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The September 2009 issue of Scientific American magazine has a short but interesting article on the origin of "Graphical Perspective" (The article is subtitled, “Realistic” imagery depends on relatively recent cultural assumptions and technical skills.) This is a link to a page that briefly refers to it, but I can't find the article online. Bus stop (talk) 13:44, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Good find...Modernist (talk) 13:47, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Many thanks, but its not accessable to me. But it seems worth a purchase; sounds like a good X-mas present. Ceoil (talk) 13:56, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Take your pick! Some you can "look inside" to see what they're like. This one looks good. Don't miss the £6.54 price.  Ty  14:27, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Those books look really good, I've been waiting to hear back from my friend in New Mexico but those books are available in the UK and look good...Modernist (talk) 14:51, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I just gained access to the magazine. It is not as good an article as I had recalled. The main problem is that it is extremely brief, although it has one beautiful illustration by Domenico di Bartolo. Probably not worth buying the magazine just for that. Bus stop (talk) 15:13, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Ty, I did not ask who is free, I can find that myself. My question is who is regarded. Ceoil (talk) 00:08, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I linked to £6.54, because it could be overlooked, as the prominent price displayed by Amazon is £9.48... As perspective is pretty standard stuff, the deciding factor in my book (no pun intended) is who explains it most clearly, and the book I linked to looks like a good one for a solid grounding in the field (I hope that's not a pun either).  Ty  02:25, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for the links and direction guys; very much appreciated I have passed them on

and am looking through myself. Ceoil (talk) 14:50, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

The Mandarax Barnstar of Excellence

 * Thank you Mandarax, and congratulations on achieving 50k...Modernist (talk) 22:53, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Invitation to participate in SecurePoll feedback and workshop
As you participated in the recent Audit Subcommittee election, or in one of two requests for comment that relate to the use of SecurePoll for elections on this project, you are invited to participate in the SecurePoll feedback and workshop. Your comments, suggestions and observations are welcome. For the Arbitration Committee, Risker (talk) 08:28, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Ernest Hemingway
Hi! I was wondering whether you have some time to assist me. I've added sources to the Hemingway article, and performed general clean up, though there are several sections that I've left alone. In my view the article is quite long and needs some trimming. I'd appreciate feedback from you regarding how to proceed. If you don't have time, perhaps you could point me to someone who might be willing to take a look and give some feedback. Thanks. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 20:47, 28 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Replied here. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 02:15, 29 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Thought I'd alert you that I've placed the article up for peer review here. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 21:55, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Tom Lollar Removed from List of American artists 1900 and after
Am curious as to why Tom Lollar was removed from the list? thanks GloverEpp ( talk ) 01:49, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your question. Is Lollar notable as a ceramicist? The article stems from today, has notability been established? There are next to none google hits, and few real sources to verify his notability beyond his own web site and his position at Lincoln Center. Please establish via more references Lollars viability as an important American artist, I don't see it yet...Modernist (talk) 02:07, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

New Moon (2009 film) and Eclipse (2010 film)

 * Both these two articles were recently submitted for a name change. I did agree with this name change in February, however, now I am a strong opposing factor in why the name should ramian New Moon and Eclipse with the signifigant other name in the first line of the articles.


 * WP:NCCN and WP:PRECISION both state the title should be "terms most commonly used", "A good article title is brief and to the point", "Prefer titles that follow the same pattern as those of other similar articles", "An article can only have one name; however significant alternative names for the topic should be mentioned in the article, usually in the first sentence or paragraph". "And despite earlier reports that the movie would be known as The Twilight Saga's New Moon, the title will remain New Moon according to the movie's rep. They just have Twilight Saga in the artwork to identify it for anyone less devoted than your average fanggirl."Source.


 * Also see WP:PRECISION. I quote from there: "Articles' titles usually merely indicate the name of the topic. When additional precision is necessary to distinguish an article from other uses of the topic name, over-precision should be avoided. Be precise but only as precise as is needed. For example, it would be inappropriate to name an article "United States Apollo program (1961–1975)" over Apollo program or "Nirvana (Aberdeen, Washington rock band)" over Nirvana (band). Remember that concise titles are generally preferred."


 * However, I personally do not think we have had enough input and would like input from people who might not like these movies, or just edit them to help wikipedia out. The pages are: Talk:New Moon (2009 film) and Talk:Eclipse (2010 film). Any help/input would greatly be apriciated. I am not stressing weather you should oppose/support either of these.ChaosMaster16 (talk) 21:09, 8 December 2009 (UTC)ChaosMaster16
 * Good luck, thank you for the input, however I can't comment because I simply am not familiar enough with the subject...Modernist (talk) 23:39, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

RfA Thanks
MrKIA11 (talk) 12:39, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Holiday greetings
Hope the card format is not too spammy. I owe you an email, I know, but in the meantime... best holiday wishes. Good friends like you are a big part of what makes this place great. Kafka Liz (talk) 19:03, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks Liz, much appreciated...Modernist (talk) 19:22, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I have a recording of Thomas reading this; I wish I could have included it somehow. Can't put into words what his voice brings to these lines. Kafka Liz (talk) 19:29, 17 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Great poet - do not go gentle into that good night, rage against the dying of the light...Modernist (talk) 19:38, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Though I no longer feel so golden in the mercy of his means... Kafka Liz (talk) 19:46, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * An apt thought for Ottava Rima, these days...Modernist (talk) 19:50, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't quite know what to say there... Strange to say, he reminds me of many close friends and relatives. Kafka Liz (talk) 20:33, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, he was his own worst enemy, relentlessly undermining the narrow bridge he was standing on...Modernist (talk) 20:47, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

thanks for all your input
at Kenneth Hayes Miller. The book that I was using as my source did not have Henry Siddons Mowbrays first (or second) name so I just left it, planning to get back to it and then life intervened and then Mowbray was gone. But not forgotten. I think we (with help for elsewhere) have got a pretty good start going. Life is good. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 00:49, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed - good start, life is good - happy holidays!..Modernist (talk) 03:12, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy Holidays
Thank you for that beautiful link, Modernist....I never knew Stevie Nicks and Linda Ronstadt sang together, and so classically! Wishing you all the best, and nominating you as King of Wikipedia Visual Arts. I am certain you recognize my anonymous anti-vandalism work, but don't tell anyone. Very best regards, JNW (talk) 23:45, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * And to you too! this is my wiki Christmas card to everyone - should be on DYK on the day. Johnbod (talk) 01:09, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Brilliant! Nice job Johnbod, thank you...Modernist (talk) 02:15, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * And from me. Ty.  Ty  05:02, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * And me too. I finally got the second of the Picasso bio series....Its far more engrossing than the first; much easier reading. And begins with Les Demoiselles. Ceoil (talk) 11:38, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy Holidays!
Season's Greetings and Happy Holidays and may the New Year be a bright one. Bus stop (talk) 21:46, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for that. He is great. Bus stop (talk) 01:32, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

 * And, thanks for the beautiful music!  Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  03:16, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks and Wishes
Hope your holidays are filled with good cheer, Modernist, and all the best for 2010! Ewulp (talk) 04:40, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * From me as well... (hijacking a thread rather than starting a new one), Kafka Liz (talk) 02:06, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * All the best, Modernist, my semi protected friend! We havn't spoken in a while; hope is all is going ok. Ceoil (talk) 03:20, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Things are good, hopeful as we start the year!...Modernist (talk) 13:40, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

2000s
I have commented on the talk page. &mdash; CIS (talk | stalk) 21:55, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you, lets see what develops...Modernist (talk) 21:57, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Asking for advice about proposed revamp of Georgina Starr
Hi Modernist I'm proposing a revamp of Georgina Starr here in a sandbox page and was wondering what you think. I'm having trouble figuring out the movement or what type of artist she is. If interested, feel free to edit the sandbox page if you like. Also thanks for the picture for Handyman but I'm not sure if I like it because the workers look so menial and low, but it's a great picture nevertheless.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 00:50, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll give it some thought. Caillebotte made 2 floor scraper paintings - he was also an important friend, and collector of the Impressionists. This painting always makes me think of the early Frank Stella pin-stripe paintings...Modernist (talk) 00:54, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Proposed revamping of Combine painting
Hi, I'm working on a revamp of an art article. If interested, check out Combine painting revamp and make changes as needed. User:Bus stop suggested the revamp.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 21:14, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll keep an eye on it...Modernist (talk) 21:18, 8 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I moved the sandbox stuff to the article and kept your additions. Here's a painting by Frank Stella. Is it an example of "Combine painting" and can I put this image on the article Combine painting?--Tomwsulcer (talk) 16:53, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know that anything by Frank Stella is a "combine painting." Is there a source that says that? I didn't suggest a revamp. Bus stop (talk) 01:10, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey Bus stop I thought you were suggesting a revamp on my talk page. This was on my talk page: Also I was just noticing that we have a fairly skimpy article on what seems to me a fairly important idea in second half of the twentieth century art — Combine painting. I just was thinking to bring that to your attention because of its potential relevance to a painting that also contained three dimensional elements. It is actually an interesting idea to have a Jackson Pollack-like painting with a Rauschenberg sensibility to it. Now if we could only find a way to inveigle Andy Warhol's motif into it we might have a genuine art of all time. Bus stop (talk) 17:24, 8 January 2010 (UTC) Anyway, when you mentioned how it was a stub, I thought people wanted it expanded. And not quite sure what you mean about Andy Warhol. .--Tomwsulcer (talk) 01:45, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I was only joking, in my reference to Andy Warhol. In my mind, Andy Warhol and Jackson Pollack are icons of art, albeit from a United States-centric point of view. Bus stop (talk) 21:23, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Invitation for review of FLC
Hi Modernist! Since you reviewed the List of National Treasures of Japan (paintings), I thought you might be interested also in List of National Treasures of Japan (shrines) which is currently a featured list candidate and in need of feedback. I'd appreciate if you have time to look over it and leave comments at the candidacy page. (The list is shorter than the painting list.) bamse (talk) 22:55, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

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Goya
I wonder is this worth mentioning. Ceoil (talk) 13:17, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Since according to MoMA we can show a direct connection to the Disasters I would...Modernist (talk) 13:26, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I still havn't found any more sources, though there is an article on JSTOR that looks promising. How is all anyway - I hear you had a visitor! Ceoil (talk) 13:42, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, and a great pleasure. All is well, but lots to do, and How's by you?...Modernist (talk) 13:46, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Grand. Things are quite. I have a fancy new sig, though. Ceoil  <font color="E45E05">sláinte 14:14, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Impressive - green is good...Modernist (talk) 14:16, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I have a big book on Dix (Tate exhibition catalogue), & will see if they have a ref that can be used. Did we mention him already? Johnbod (talk) 14:56, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The Tate source sounds good I don't think we mentioned Dix yet...Modernist (talk) 15:19, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * (Outdent) Here's another source on Dix that connects Der Krieg to The Disasters of War... Sorry to come in on an old thread... <FONT COLOR="#2F4F4F">Litho</FONT><FONT COLOR="#464646">derm</FONT> 22:39, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Do either of ye have much on Blake? I'd like to do more on either The Ghost of a Flea or Nebuchadnezzar if I knew which books have coverage. Its not the weather for splashing out in the hope. Ceoil  <font color="E45E05">sláinte 15:34, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I gotta find my book on Blake, maybe by tonight...Modernist (talk) 15:36, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * You have until 9pm. Ceoil  <font color="E45E05">sláinte 15:42, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I've got nothing much. Johnbod (talk) 15:50, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Good find Litho, thanks...Modernist (talk) 22:44, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

(ec x various} Re. The Third of May: I can't see that Guernica and Massacre in Korea are necessary or justified, and the latter so obviously refers to Goya, that it is the obvious choice. Text concerning Guernica would be ample. Maybe there is another work by a different artist that could be used, though nothing occurs immediately. The last two paragraphs here could add to the legacy section...  Ty  00:22, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I see Lithoderm has answered my query before I could even ask it.  Ty  00:24, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Charles Seliger
Business as usual... Well done on creating the article. If someone wants to edit it then of course they can, and in this case may need some help to follow policies properly, but hopefully can supply some free licence material (images?).  Ty  01:52, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

The Wheat Field
Should the title not be plural. Ceoil <font color="E45E05">sláinte 17:52, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The thing is each painting is singular, a wheat field; although yeah, the group - Wheatfields make sense...Modernist (talk) 22:51, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Horus
No one wants to engage in an edit war. However I urge you to create an article - called something like Horus and Jesus connection. If the article is sound and encyclopedic it will draw important connections between two ancient belief systems, perhaps the 2 articles will eventually merge. In my opinion the current article should focus on Horus...Modernist (talk) 15:29, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I have no desire to engage in an edit war. Further, I have no real desire to see the pictures in question placed in the Horus article.  The pictures initially were a part of the Osiris page and I removed them since they aren't about Osiris at all.  Another editor has objected (Osiris has a much larger dubious section on parallels than Horus) as part of a larger desire to see the article include the fringey stuff.  To demonstrate good faith I've tried to put the pictures in a more relevant article.  I've failed.  And I'm totally OK with that. Eugene (talk) 15:41, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your response, hopefully the 2 articles will - (Osiris and Horus) maintain their respective integrity...Modernist (talk) 16:03, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Pop Culture dif
I went to that page specifically to add that reference. Thank you =P Throwaway85 (talk) 02:25, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Hall Nigel
Hello Modernist, please tell me why this article is not deleted as requested. The new article: Nigel Hall (sculptor) is in it's right place and the German uploader who made this mistake asked my help. I'm not sure how the rules are on en.wiki but I'm sure you can help out with a speedy deletion. Thanks. Greeting from the Netherlands.--GerardusS (talk) 07:37, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

New type of decade article proposed
I have proposed on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Years that we have two kinds of decade articles - one in which the events of a decade are listed ("List of events of the 1940s"), and another shorter decade that takes a top-down approach and explain the main themes and character of the decade ("1940s"). Please share with the community your views or suggestions.Kransky (talk) 11:00, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Ouch
Sorry for the hassel. I cetrainly work far better as part of a team, I hope this will not ruin that. Ceoil <font color="E45E05">sláinte 21:21, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't worry - the team continues...Modernist (talk) 22:34, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Not related to anything, but this is a good read. The last few days were a bit crap wiki wise, appreciate that you stood up for me.  Ceoil  <font color="E45E05">sláinte 15:46, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's a good article. I have always thought of Goya as the first modernist painter, he didn't give a shit for anything except for his perception and expression of the truth...Modernist (talk) 15:58, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Is it true to say though, that at by end he didn't give a shit. He seemed to um and ah, there around the time the French arrived. Ceoil  <font color="E45E05">sláinte 16:03, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, well he did care about his own ass, which is why he didn't publish. But he did the work...Modernist (talk) 16:28, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah. I'm buried in his black paintings at the moment, there is a great story around them I am trying to get to the bottom of. So many questions. Ceoil  <font color="E45E05">sláinte 17:31, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * And to you too! Its ironic though, that there are two FA on Goya now, when his template is so riddled with red links. Lots to do.... Ceoil  <font color="E45E05">sláinte 22:19, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for nominating Yomangani and JNW, and even Outriggr too, they all made contributions as did Anonymous Dissent...Modernist (talk) 22:26, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Did you note the thing about jesters on Las Meninas this morning. Thats not my recollection of sources I went through. O and thanks for the thanks (as it were). I would have thought it cadish and ungentlemanly to just say just 'cheers guys' (...now f**k off).  Ceoil  <font color="E45E05">sláinte 22:35, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't wanna name names but that complaint was straight from the asylum...Modernist (talk) 22:38, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, that is one of the very few Dali paintings that I like...Modernist (talk) 22:46, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, they seem so portentous yet empty. I remember as a student in the 1990s, they were a fixture on the walls of many bedrooms occupied by the, well, thick. Along with Che. Ugg. Ceoil  <font color="E45E05">sláinte 22:51, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Here's the deal
Before I transgress too much further into the Armory Show of 1913 let me run this idea past you and let me preface it by saying that my schemes for wikipedia are sometimes considered "too creative" and many of them have ended up on the cutting room floor and I eventually get over it pretty well. So I'm thinking about how many "forgotten" artists there are and how to deal with it and then it occurred to me that a section called "forgotten artists" could be created in the article (at the very bottom) and it would be populated by artists who are red links in wikipedia. Is that not a good measurement of forgotteness? And if they get remembered and an article appears about them then they get moved to that other section. Mull it over, shoot me back a reply (here or at my page) and let's move the goods. Life is supposed to be interesting. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 00:45, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I can add a section along those lines, although currently there are about 100 bluelink artists listed, I don't think a list of 200 redlinks will play, I think a selected list of 50 or so max might work...Modernist (talk) 12:53, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Well they could be fake red, not real links. Or we could just list the names in black. Carptrash (talk) 14:26, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Gotta think about, I'm not crazy about the idea...Modernist (talk) 14:29, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Put all the artists in List of artists in the Armory Show and redlink all without articles.  Ty  14:43, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * OK here goes...Modernist (talk) 15:10, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Whooops. I just discovered the List of artists in the Armory Show and started a forgotten artists section there. How shall we proceed? Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 15:33, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * You go ahead now, I'll work later...Modernist (talk) 15:42, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

The section of "forgotten" artists is not right, unless source(s) validate this, i.e. specifically denote certain artists in this way. Otherwise, if there are not objective criteria, it's OR. Certainly absence of a wiki article cannot be used as a criterion. I suggest listing all equally, either in a straightforward alphabetical list or possibly subdividing by nationality or by the way they were subdivided in the show, i.e. by room number. Notes next to artists could mention anything about their subsequent career or present status.  Ty  16:30, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * If you're feeling ambitious, use a table. See Talk:List of artists in the Armory Show.  Ty  16:56, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not that ambitious at the moment - however I'll rename the section and reference the whole list. I'm sure the hard work here is just beginning...Modernist (talk) 17:57, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Samuel Morse
Thanks for the proper reversion of that entry. I was in a hurry when i reverted that last bit of vandalism, and didn't notice that I had inadvertently gone back to a version with some garbage. (This entry gets a lot of vandalism.) MarmadukePercy (talk) 21:02, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Vincent
What do you think of putting this up for peer review. It might spark some work.

...That was me bty, and not some random mentalist! Oh and incoming...... Ceoil <font color="E45E05">sláinte 22:04, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Ta for the additions. And the alt text you added is typically insightful and succint. Ceoil  <font color="E45E05">sláinte 11:30, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll add some more alt texts later today...Modernist (talk) 13:58, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you know by chance what painting is this . Ta. Ceoil  <font color="E45E05">sláinte 20:03, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * It's a detail from The Fortune Teller by Georges de la Tour, Metropolitan Museum of Art...Modernist (talk) 21:32, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Muhammad al-Durrah incident
Hello. I've un-protected the article. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 22:00, 26 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Instead of a blanket revert of all the sock's edits, please consider reviewing each edit on its merits. Many of them were improvements: fixing typos, improving the grammar, and changing from the passive voice to the active voice. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 21:46, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

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still life
Hi! I think the pics you're adding are concentrating too much on flower-painting, only one specialism in the field. Also the Carracci butcher's shop & similar large "kitchen pieces" etc, are normally treated as a branch of still life, even with figures in them. I'll probably keep on adding here slowly - the Flemish contribution is badly neglected compared to the Dutch. Johnbod (talk) 20:25, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree - I am rapidly getting tired of Flower paintings. Someone deleted the Butcher's Shop (Annibale Carracci)|Butcher Shop]] the other day and I'll put it back. I'm done for now...Modernist (talk) 20:31, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

rollback
this was a mistake, right? <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"><font color="#C11B17">nableezy  - 19:21, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Totally, hand slipped and I meant to fix it, then forgot, thank you...Modernist (talk) 19:23, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Milton's muse
Hi. Do you have any thoughts on this? Paul August &#9742; 13:58, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Credo
Did you hear anything from these people? Ceoil (talk) 16:09, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Nothing yet, who knows?..Modernist (talk) 16:11, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Its true: you get nout for 'out in this world. Was worth a chance anyway. Any word from Liz, how is she keeping? Ceoil (talk) 16:13, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Haven't heard from her - we should both write to her...Modernist (talk) 16:30, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * If you are free during the week, I could really do with some help here. Ceoil (talk) 20:43, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I will check it out...Modernist (talk) 21:11, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

FU rationale
Ty.  Ty  16:56, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Help us choose the best images for the 20th century montages
Please participate in ALL the following discussion pages and help us choose the best images for montages in the decade articles of the 20th century:


 * Talk:1900s (decade)
 * Talk:1910s
 * Talk:1920s
 * Talk:1930s
 * Talk:1940s
 * Talk:1950s
 * Talk:1960s
 * Talk:1970s
 * Talk:1980s
 * Talk:1990s/Archives/2012

TheCuriousGnome (talk) 19:35, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Gauguin
I nearly choked on my toast. Ceoil (talk) 08:04, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Ha!..Modernist (talk) 11:06, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, what was he thinking?..Modernist (talk) 11:50, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Have you never felt the need to rock out in you dinner jacket and underpants? I think we have all been there! The scary moustash is a step too far for me though; a we bit too much. Ceoil (talk) 12:22, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, It's a strange picture; but he's not at home either, I guess he was having fun...Modernist (talk) 12:39, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I know I've seen this somewhere before. Hmmm..... JNW (talk) 14:42, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Gauguin started new craze I guess, I didn't realize...Modernist (talk) 15:05, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Gauguin has better legs. And now for something completly different....[]. JNW that image is going on my talk with your name the next time I start a gallery of wiki folk! Ceoil (talk) 16:41, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I would be flattered. Once I had hair like that.... JNW (talk) 17:04, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You had an afro? Anyway, it was the arse more that caught my attention; its unusually plump and toned for an Englishman. Nothing against Englishmen, but they eat a lot of chips....Ceoil (talk) 17:37, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Dear lad, when I was young, everyone had an afro. Remind me to tell you sometime what she said when I showed her a nude self-portrait, with long hair.... sorry to take up your talk page with this babbling, Modernist. You're a gentleman, a scholar, and a good host. JNW (talk) 18:42, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Modernist, I would also like to apoplogise, on behalf of JNW, for the way he hijacked your serious talk page to boast about his beautiful hair and juicy, rouded bottom. Ceoil (talk) 19:12, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm spoken for. Masher. JNW (talk) 21:19, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * All I can say is no wonder he cut off his ear, maybe to give back the earrings...Modernist (talk) 21:26, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Mr Jones is a Welshman, I believe, no? Not that I have any expertise in the area of Welsh glutei... Kafka Liz (talk) 00:33, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Whew! I'm glad he's not from Cork, that's a help...Modernist (talk) 01:48, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I can't purport professorial knowledge in any one regions' posteriors. I believe Ceoil has sent himself up as the expert there ;) Kafka Liz (talk) 01:53, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Jo Baer
I'd like to thank you for the work you've put into this article. I have restored the COI tag because of the initial history of COI by a spamming gallery owner, compounded by the recent edits by an IP claiming to be Baer herself. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  15:00, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You gotta be kidding me...Modernist (talk) 15:34, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Sonia Delaunay
Ooops - thank you Superp (talk) 13:07, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Nice work so far...Modernist (talk) 13:09, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Deletion request for Category:Leningrad school of painting
Dear Colleague, I continue to prepare an article on "Leningrad School of Painting”. In last days has been created two initial pages about Leningrad artists Alexander Semionov and Sergei Osipov, and also created new Category:Leningrad school of painting. But April 9 category suddenly nominated for deletion with a very strange arguments. Discussion is open at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_April_8. I think that, as in Russian Wikipedia, expert opinions should be heard in such cases. Sincerely,Leningradartist (talk) 08:39, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I have posted the following on the CFD debate:
 * Google gives negligable returns for "Leningrad School of Painting" apart from one book, Unknown Socialist Realism: The Leningrad School, by Sergei V. Ivanov, details here and here. Who is the publisher and is it self-published? The only two returns in Google Books are for what appears to be an art academy known as The Leningrad School of Painting, rather than an art movement.
 *  Ty  11:48, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * My knowledge of Russian art is simply not very deep. Initially I accepted this as a somewhat obscure but bonafide movement, the more I learn however the more skeptical I am becoming, I deleted an edit the other day from Art school that clearly was misrepresention of the Leningrad School, or a misunderstanding of what an art school is...Modernist (talk) 13:25, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Terry Ananny
Can I ask for your opinion on Terry_(Ananny)_Annany ? Article was deleted 2008, now back with a vengeance. My instincts are to delete 95% and leave about five lines of useful information. I have similar concerns about Ariel_Moscovici. Both articles look like the uniforms of Soviet generals - rows of badges. I am inclined to remove large parts. Superp (talk) 22:15, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Can't speak for the latter, but I am intimately familiar with Ms. Ananny. If you haven't seen it, look at this. I wonder why the parentheses are being used in the article title? Is it because "Terry Ananny" and every variation of her name has been salted? <FONT COLOR="#000000">freshacconci</FONT><FONT COLOR="#B22222"> talk</FONT><FONT COLOR="#2F4F4F">talk</FONT> 22:25, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
 * As Freshacconci says- this has been an endless merry-go-round, and has little merit and should be speedied...Modernist (talk) 22:36, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh my God, not again. I wrote that section for WP:LONG... If she sticks to her pattern, she will have posted the same article to multiple wikis at once using machine translations. I'm going to check some foreign language wikis now, and update the LTA section.... We should also see if we can get User:Whisperjet blocked on Commons, as it is obviously an Ananny sock. <FONT COLOR="#2F4F4F">Litho</FONT><FONT COLOR="#464646">derm</FONT> 22:49, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah it's really unbelievable...Modernist (talk) 22:53, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Matisse
Why did you revert? Fentener van Vlissingen (talk) 20:10, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Because your version is awful...Modernist (talk) 20:11, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Why is it awful? Anyway, this is not the correct way of doing business here. Fentener van Vlissingen (talk) 20:12, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * "My version" is the reproduction that is used in art books. Your version is just a photograph a Russian took when visiting. I've been in the Hermitage and it looks much more like mine than yours. Also, you reverted the edits on the template, which is odd, since the article has been moved. Fentener van Vlissingen (talk) 20:15, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Please ask other visual arts editors before you make drastic changes to important images again...Modernist (talk) 20:16, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Your version was already replaced by another image last year. I only uploaded another version. Your reverts in the article and the template do not make sense by the way, since that doesn't influence the way this image is shown. Also, can you be a bit less condescending here? Fentener van Vlissingen (talk) 20:22, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Mona Lisa
Why did you remove the Whoopi Goldberg ad for Poise? It is a legit entry that underscores the Mona Lisa's use in popular culture. Please restore it. Worc63 (talk) 04:10, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Frankly it looks like spam and in my opinion it does not belong there. I think you should delete all of the rest of the advertisements that you have uploaded...Modernist (talk) 11:03, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Bathsheba at Her Bath
Hi Modernist; A painting with lots of material, tho I've run pretty dry on sources for now. Any help would be grand. Cheers, JNW (talk) 18:29, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Picasso edits
Sorry I forgot to leave a note earlier. The copyvio may actually be OK - see here. Hold off for a few days if you don't want to waste the effort. I'm trying to get into contact with the webmaster. Cheers.--Chaser (talk) 00:53, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * OK I figured I'd re-write the basic material - which is relevant. If you gain permission - you have my permission to revert my recent additions there or incorporate my stuff with the old stuff :)...Modernist (talk) 00:59, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Richard Tylman (4th nomination)
Hi, Modernist. Because you participated in Articles for deletion/Richard Tylman (2nd nomination), you may be interested in Articles for deletion/Richard Tylman (4th nomination). Cunard (talk) 02:26, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Main page
Thanks for watching over it; it seems to have been a bit stressful, but you and Johnbod did a great job - I wasn't able to help as mid week is difficult for me usually. Bty, JNW's article above is v interesting. Ceoil (talk) 20:48, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Modernist; Link for you for no reason . Ceoil (talk) 18:22, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Hah! On a 92 degree day here in the big city - that hit the spot, ty...Modernist (talk) 20:41, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Modernist, thank you for the positive comments you've left while adding talk page assessments to recent articles. Noted and appreciated. As ever, it's always great to bump into you in the ether. Now what's with the weather? I don't know whether to dress for this or this. Very best, JNW (talk) 03:17, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Manet
Hey Modernist! Well, my summer is here at last. If you have a chance could you please take a look at Self-Portrait with Palette (Manet)? I've finished the initial translation from the German, but it probably will need some copy editing. My only book on Manet is a short monograph that doesn't mention this work, so if you have any sources with additional material I'd appreciate it. Tho this was an FA on the German wiki it would be dismissed from FAC outright here... I'd like to nom it for DYK today or tomorrow because of the upcoming sale. Will cross post this to Ceoil; any other VA editors would be gladly welcomed. Thanks and my best, <FONT COLOR="#2F4F4F">Litho</FONT><FONT COLOR="#464646">derm</FONT> 17:50, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

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John Martyn
I owe you a tune. Martyn died last year, very sad back story. He was a regular feature in Cork pubs in the early 90s, very gegarious and carasmatic and fun, but pitch black later in the night.Ceoil (talk) 21:39, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Really nice, laid back shades of cool jazz...Modernist (talk) 00:18, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Ernest Hemingway
Thanks for the support. The article passed, and I have to admit, I'm quite happy. It was a daunting task, and you were helpful to a clueless new editor who took on a monumental job. Thanks! Truthkeeper88 (talk) 03:22, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Congratulations! You did an amazing job...Modernist (talk) 03:27, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Database reports/Pages containing an unusually high number of non-free files
The database report "Pages containing an unusually high number of non-free files" is set to update automatically weekly. So, while you're free to manually update the page, it's a bit of a silly endeavor (or endeavour, if you're into that kind of thing). Cheers. --MZMcBride (talk) 22:15, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * So basically now I know, it's a weekly update, thanks...Modernist (talk) 22:18, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your support at my RfA
Regards -- Александр Дмитрий (Alexandr Dmitri) (talk) 19:25, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Infoboxes revertion
Ciao! There is a guy user:Ceoil who is patronizing several articles, reverting the standard painting infoboxes I am adding. Can you help and have him stop? Ciao and thanks. --&#39;&#39;&#39;Attilios&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk) 06:26, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The infoboxes are not required and clearly several other editors who have worked very long and hard on those articles have determined that they are unnecessary there. Please respect that decision. Thank you...Modernist (talk) 10:08, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll respect you arbitrate, but honestly your motivation leaves me puzzled! "Having worked hard" on something doesn not give you the absolute right to decide what and what not has to be on those articles! Are you sure you are neutral in the matter (I ask this with no malice, be sure). Ciao e a presto da --&#39;&#39;&#39;Attilios&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk) 11:05, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I expressed my opinion, since you asked; take it or leave it...Modernist (talk) 11:12, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok. But what this experience with van der Weyden showed me that you belong to a specific lobby commanding and controlling a group of articles at their will. Not a nice thing to discover that even experienced editors like me are forbidden to introduce serious modifications to a group of articles. Hope I'm wrong. --&#39;&#39;&#39;Attilios&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk) 15:07, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I belong to no lobby, I am an editor here pure and simple, as I said - take it or leave it...Modernist (talk) 15:10, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually I recently raised the infobox issue on the talkpage and I'm certainly not part of any lobby, but I do keep articles watched after I review them. When an article goes through the FAC process it is scrutinized, as this one was, for MoS issues, consistency, and so on. The infobox is not a required element, and there's really no reason to add one to such a lovely article. Perhaps this could be discussed on the article talkpage? Truthkeeper88 (talk) 15:14, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * As though working well with others was some sort of bad behavior; we should all function in a solitary vacuum; give me a break...Modernist (talk) 15:21, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
<font color="#00ACF4">╟─TreasuryTag► international waters ─╢ 13:25, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Agree with Brad, who agrees with me - please leave Ceoil alone, thank you...Modernist (talk) 13:32, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Ezra Pound
I saw your comment about Pound on Ceoil's page, but was logging off, thinking I could wait until today to respond. Now it's gone, and Ceoil's been blocked. Anyway, a short answer to the question, I think, is that Pound was mentally ill. I've been to the library and have books, so will start working on the article, and hopefully a more interesting answer will present itself. As for the material that was deleted: Pound's Cantos are not easy to understand; his life is not easy to understand; but the one thing scholars are clear about is the Cantos were based on troubador songs. Why that material was deleted is beyond me. Is there a policy about removing uncited material as opposed to trying to find a source? I've had a look at Active Banana's contributions and there seems to be a tendency toward quickly removing rather than finding a source. Also, does all this have anything to do with Ceoil's block? Sorry, long post. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 19:18, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Firstly thank you for adding this, and yes from what I have learned Pound was mentally ill. I am not aware of material being deleted; if material is uncited it should be tagged and remain tagged for a reasonable amount of time (years if needs be in some cases) until the material can be sourced. Deleting materials that aren't copyright violations is basically unnecessary and in my opinion should not happen. Unless there are such serious issues that the material can cause damage. Ceoil's block stemmed from a rather unfortunate mishandling of communications between a couple of editors and an admin concerning Ceoil's basic dislike for tags; and his rather colorful way of expressing himself. Ceoil is an excellent editor - invaluable to the project and he has a short fuse when it comes to the rule-niks. Sometimes I think of Lenny Bruce...Modernist (talk) 20:11, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * (Apologies in advance for the lurking and trolling, but that last sentence is pretty funny and probably apt, although things didn't work out too well for Bruce in the end...) <FONT COLOR="#000000">freshacconci</FONT><FONT COLOR="#B22222"> talk</FONT><FONT COLOR="#2F4F4F">talk</FONT> 20:57, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Here's a little example from the history of the Pound article . Sections were tagged and then huge chunks deleted. It's taken a while to get through the history to understand exactly what happened, but I think this may have initiated later events. Certainly there is no reason to carve out pieces of article like this in such a cavalier manner. The good thing, of course, is that we'll end up with a better article, but only because someone is willing to fix. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 20:29, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I see, fortunately all of that material can be recovered, and sources found for whatever is worth keeping. I take note that Ceoil as an editor builds articles, and some editors can't handle that and need to delete material for some reason. There are all kinds of misreadings of the policy and guidelines that cause premature deletions under the umbrella of WP:OR while a simple search for sources proves more useful...Modernist (talk) 20:40, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hopefully they'll unblock him and cut him some slack, you are always welcome here btw Fresh...Modernist (talk) 21:03, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Which rationale should be used to upload this image of young Ezra? I know the photograph was taken in 1898 and he died in the early 70s. Don't know anything else. Thanks in advance. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 16:45, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it should be used as Fair use; if the 1898 picture was published prior to 1923 it can be considered in the pd however I would imagine that it was published after 1923...Modernist (talk) 20:15, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I hope it's right, but easily fixed if not. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 21:12, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Mark Rothko
Can you explain (probably on the article talk page to keep the discussion centralized) why we should be using a copyright image of some colored rectangles to represent a person when the fair use policies clearly suggest that copyright images need to be explained contextually and the explanation for this image is way down in the article and we have plenty of room to place the image BY the explanation? Active Banana (talk) 23:42, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You were already going there- Thanks! Active Banana (talk) 23:47, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The painting can be the lede image there is nothing wrong, people expect to see a Rothko painting when they visit that page. This dispute has been argued several years ago, let it be...Modernist (talk) 23:51, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * 
 * 

The Polish Rider
If we work on The Polish Rider it could be featured on the front page as a good new article, see The Polish Rider. Proxima Centauri (talk) 17:38, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank spam!
<b style="color:#000">TFOWR</b> 21:23, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Central Park
Hi - I might not be regarded as an established user but here goes. Saw your edit on Central Park. I want to totally upgrade the article, but I'm a newuser, and not a New Yorker. I am, however, educated to a high degree in the English language, and keen to see my edits work well. Thought you might like to collaborate. "Two heads" and all that - let me know okay? Markdask (talk) 16:29, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll try to keep an eye over there, however do your best...Modernist (talk) 16:32, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

My best is actually quite good, when I put my mind to it. :) Markdask (talk) 05:45, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

'Portrait of Otto Müller' or is it 'Portrait of Otto Mueller'
Hi Modernist, just wondering if you have any reference for the name of this work by Kirchner? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kirchner_-_Bildnis_Otto_Mueller.jpg

The sources I have all refer to it as 'Portrait of Otto Müller' and not 'Mueller'.

Knavesdied (talk) 21:58, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Basically both are correct - Müller is the German spelling and - Otto Müller needs disambiguation when linked, while the English version is Otto Mueller and is working as a link to the artist...Modernist (talk) 22:05, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * So would you mind if I change the link to be Otto Müller so the hyperlink doesn't need disambiguation but the title of the work of art matches that in the English language references such as the British Museum catalogue? Knavesdied (talk) 18:31, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Why not, if it works...Modernist (talk) 19:41, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Otto Mueller was a "Die Brücke" artist like Kirchner, so no Otto Müller. And that has nothing to with spelling! Greetings,--GerardusS (talk) 20:35, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Did you tell that to Knavesdied?..Modernist (talk) 21:00, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi GerardusS, this isn't really a discussion of Otto Mueller's name or its spelling, but of what Kirchner called his 1915 woodcut. Do you have any references for this specific woodcut being named Portrait of Otto Mueller? Thank you for your help! Knavesdied (talk) 23:25, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Regardless of what Kirchner called it, we will call it by the usual usage in English per relevant sources.  Ty  00:44, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Frankly my take is the spelling should remain as Otto Mueller...Modernist (talk) 01:56, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Ty, that's the interesting thing. All the sources refer to the work as being titled Portrait of Otto Müller. I cannot find a single source that calls the work Portrait of Otto Mueller. So on the basis of 'per relevant sources' it should be called Portrait of Otto Müller. Can you give me a source for this work being referred to by the spelling 'Mueller'? Knavesdied (talk) 10:51, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know anything about it. I'm just saying we should follow the form used by the sources.  Ty  16:22, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Look at the portrait and compare with the selfportrait by Otto Mueller and you know that Kirchner spelled his name wrong.--GerardusS (talk) 11:05, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That doesn't matter. We should go by the name it is usually called in English by significant sources per WP:NPOV and WP:NOR. That is for the title of the work, as opposed to describing the work.  Ty  16:24, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * A google search for Otto Müller actually yields more results for Otto Mueller which strikes me as being that Otto Mueller is the correct spelling for us to use here...Modernist (talk) 16:58, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not disagreeing that the artist's name is Otto Mueller, or that is the correct spelling for his name. However, as Ty as written, and as per WP:NPOV and WP:NOR, I have two significant sources in English giving the title of this specific work by Kirchner as Portrait of Otto Müller and no one has offered a significant source with any other title for this work. The sources are (1) Carey, Frances; Griffiths, Antony (1984) The Print in Germany, 1880-1933: The Age of Expressionism, ISBN 978-0-7141-1621-1 and (2) "Portrait of Otto Müller (1983,0416.3)", British Museum Collection Database (Retrieved 2010-06-05). I don't know why Kirchner decided to title his work that way, but until someone puts forward verifiable sources with an alternative title I am going to standardise the naming of this work with the verifiable sources I have access to. Many thanks to everyone for their viewpoints. Knavesdied (talk) 09:27, 18 June 2010 (UTC)


 * There seems to be some confusion here; this is a non-issue. In German the umlaut character can be written "ue" or "ü" indifferently; this is not a difference of spelling but typography. In fact Getty prefer Müller, but it is pointless looking at sources for this. It seems a tad unlikely Kirchner actually fixed a title, doesn't it? That would have been a tad bourgeois, no? Johnbod (talk) 10:05, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks Johnbod, I agree. I'm just going by the sources. And if it's good enough for Getty, good enough for the British Museum, and good enough for Carey and Griffiths, then it's good enought for me. Knavesdied (talk) 17:56, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Van gogh's self portraits
Hi Modernist; re his right side in the image is in reality the left side of his face, in a mirror image, doesn't our right side stay right, the left side left? I take issue with this constantly in art history literature, and I'm beginning to wonder if I'm all wrong. Shudder. Best, JNW (talk) 15:41, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Agree - the ambiguity is clearly unproven and open to guesswork...Modernist (talk) 15:51, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Rouen Cathedral (Monet)
I don't understand. The Commons link deals with the specific series. <b style="color:#000080;">APK</b> whisper in my ear  14:22, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * 2 reasons - first the commons link you added was blank, and the general Monet link has images that are usable, some of the more specific imagery from artbooks are not really viable IMO..Modernist (talk) 14:25, 15 June 2010 (UTC)


 * The link isn't blank. See Commons:Category:Rouen Cathedral by Monet.  My first edit was a typo, but my second corrected the link.   <b style="color:#000080;">APK</b>  whisper in my ear  14:29, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Good - well done, leave both links, and add the new images to the article...Modernist (talk) 14:40, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

WQA for Nineteen Nightmares
I have referred Nineteen Nightmares for personal attacks and incivility at Wikiquette_alerts. Since you have been involved in this matter in the past, I believe that it is appropriate for you to be made aware of this matter. Regards, GregJackP (talk) 17:46, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It's beyond anything I have ever seen before - an appalling spectacle...Modernist (talk) 18:59, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I truly do not understand the behavior, and don't know any other way to address it. I know that not all editors are willing to sit around the campfire and sing folk songs, but this has been extremely puzzling.  GregJackP (talk) 19:07, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Seems crazy, administrators need to be consulted, I've never seen anything like this...Modernist (talk) 19:09, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Please excuse my butting in, but I was curious about this and could not find any information about what had happened, even checking dispute resolution archives. I'm sorry if this person was ghastly, and may I ask where I can fid out what happened?  If this is too nosy or painful, of course, then never mind. Artemis-Arethusa (talk) 14:35, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It's best to let it be...Modernist (talk) 14:36, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

RfA
Thank you very much for your contribution to my Rfa. I have made a comment about it at User talk:JamesBWatson which you are, of course, very welcome to read if you wish to. JamesBWatson (talk) 14:49, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the list of 20th century women artists
You've improved it a great deal. I shouldn't be too surprised that there are lots of important artists not on the list yet. When I started it I was pretty haphazard about researching and placement. Thanks so much for taking it up. Artemis-Arethusa (talk) 14:28, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Glad to help :)...Modernist (talk) 14:30, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you
For the positive words on Jimbo Wales' talk page. Away for a few days on business, and just got back to town. Best wishes and keep up the great work, JNW (talk) 23:57, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Welcome back, hopefully its over with...Modernist (talk) 02:42, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Claimed spamlinks
You might find this discussion relevant: User talk:Benjamw Andy Dingley (talk) 18:11, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I've seen it, and removed the spamlinks...Modernist (talk) 18:21, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

input
I think I'll keep my trap shut here; discussions like this have not gone well for me in the recent past. Ceoil (talk) 20:48, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I think its done, I added RS refs to whatever Tony was going on about. You might check em...I found a really cool magazine article from 1949, where 2 old guys were saying they knew Van Gogh when they were just little kids, - he gave them pennies if they could find birds nests, one guy said he offered him 3 drawings, but he said nah, I'd rather have the money...Modernist (talk) 21:02, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You are a safe pair of hands, Modernist. Ceoil (talk) 21:42, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Guess I just got cross, or rather crossed up for awhile...Modernist (talk) 21:47, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Did us proud, you did. Ceoil (talk) 21:58, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

AN/I involving Nineteen Nightmares
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File:Arles portrait bust.jpg
Why do you believe that the image is PD-old? You are aware, aren't you, that images of 3D objects are copyrightable, regardless of the status of the image? Observe that the source for the image, http://www.culture.gouv.fr/culture/actualites/communiq/albanel/cesarles08.htm, carries a notice of "photo © : C.Chary/DRASSM" at the bottom. Of course the bust isn't copyrighted, but that's irrelevant here. Nyttend (talk) 13:16, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * So if you modify a copyrighted image, you can release the modified image into the public domain? Please read derivative work — unless you can claim that modifications fall under fair use, you may not modify a copyrighted image without permission, and the resulting modification is still copyrighted by the holder of the original image's copyright.  Nyttend (talk) 13:34, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I objected because the image is replaceable. Why can't someone take a picture of it and release it freely?  Nyttend (talk) 13:36, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I can't because I live on the other side of the ocean, can you? I think the image should remain under the fair use rationale until such time that it can be replaced...Modernist (talk) 13:39, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * So what? Someone on the other side of the ocean can replace it.  Nyttend (talk) 13:42, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Why not just keep it per WP:UCS, after all anything can happen....sometime...Modernist (talk) 13:43, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Mondernist, Im purposly not cmting, for fear of a block if I spoke my mind. Ceoil (talk) 09:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I understand, what an absurd state of hypocrisy and rule wonk...Modernist (talk) 11:09, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Ta for the old links, I have a fondness for the blues that I picked up early, before I found Punk and it never left me. Here is some thing quite pleasant...might appeal to a New York minimalist like yourself. Ceoil (talk) 14:27, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Really good. Reminds me of something, can't quite place, thanks...Modernist (talk) 14:36, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * This? Ceoil (talk) 14:54, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * That was a great film, and a similar sound, but not what I was thinking...Modernist (talk) 14:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow; I really like Marianne Faithfull, but hadn't come across that before. See what you make of . Its spooky beyond belief. Ceoil (talk) 15:23, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Creepy, I'll take the Basement Tapes anytime, although it's one of my least favorite Dylan albums...Modernist (talk) 15:37, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm, then you and me are going to be falling out. Polly Harvy is very hot indeed, imo. Ceoil (talk) 19:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't get me wrong, the chick is hot, the song is creepy...Modernist (talk) 21:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

View from the Basement
Modernist, thanks for your contribution to the Basement. You clearly know this region. Please help us to improve the article, and I left a query. best Mick gold (talk) 21:58, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Mick, thanks for your message I responded here:Featured article candidates/The Basement Tapes/archive1...Modernist (talk) 23:08, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Francis
As I never figured out how; would you mind archiving all of the Bacon talk page. Its all circular bullshit thats best left hidden and in the past. If I was to expand I don't want to get wrapped up in things I just dont care about. His nationality is what it is. What is the point of defining it. If there are hassels, I have both guns loaded. Ta. Ceoil (talk) 12:09, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Done...Modernist (talk) 12:40, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Ernest Hemingway ga
On behalf of WP:CHICAGO, thanks --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:07, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Nice surprise, thank you Tony...Modernist (talk) 14:08, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

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Dalí
We've both said our piece on him, but Moni2 has poked out a fairly stong work (there are some!), and this is a monatge of a wide variety of old sources - a number tie in with Velázquez, thus me here. I'm mentioning this as you were always extreamly sharp at making connections and tieing things together, and would be invaluable in an article like this. So.... In other news, all quite; no other news. Preoccupied by Dürer, but thinking of making a pass at Bacon. Ceoil (talk) 01:28, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll check it out...Modernist (talk) 04:01, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

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Picasso
Hi, I'm disappointed that you removed my image about postal commemorations of Pablo Picasso. Both your last version and my own seem to me to work design-wise: why did you end up saying it "doesn't work"? SteveStrummer (talk) 04:59, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't think the stamp really belonged there. I'll give it another shot...Modernist (talk) 11:37, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Nice, it looks much better that way! I'm glad you decided to keep it! Thank you for your patient effort and precision. :) SteveStrummer (talk) 18:43, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for your work on Helen Frankenthaler‎~  Active  Banana   (  bananaphone  15:26, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem...Modernist (talk) 15:27, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Mym Tuma in the Hirshhorn collection
This is a link to Hirshhorn's own site which admits to having Mym Tuma a.k.a. Marilyn Thuma's sculptured painting's on display. I wrote Mym Tuma's wikipedia article and now they are claiming that it is an orphan article. I'm simply trying to link back to her article with verifiable information and sources to correct the problem. Hirshhorn Collection

I am still new at wikipedia, and this is my first talk back Please let me know if I did anything wrong. (GiovanniVegaz (talk) 11:49, 19 August 2010 (UTC))
 * You didn't do anything wrong, it's just that there are literally thousands of artists in the Hirshhorn collection and we cannot list everyone; consequently while your Hirshhorn collection link helps to establish the Tuma article's notability it does not establish her as a major artist in that museum collection...Modernist (talk) 11:57, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Edmund Evans
VA artist on TFA today, if you feel like turning your vandel swatter up to 11. Ceoil (talk) 02:04, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll keep my eyes on the prize...Modernist (talk) 02:52, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * No prizes on wiki, mate. In case you were expecting something in the post, it aint coming. Ceoil (talk) 03:17, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I thought I'd stay up and watch the article, but the only people touching it are those rewriting it, so I guess I'll be off to bed. Thanks for watching (both of you) and Ceoil, thanks for the rewrites. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 03:24, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll be back in the am...Modernist (talk) 04:33, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ta, M. Ceoil (talk) 04:39, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

I just placed
a citation that should allow you to return the Jewish artist categories that you had placed at Jacob Epstein and that some wikibureaucrat felt compelled to remove. Do you mind putting them back? Or should I try and figure out what you'd done? Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 16:34, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd prefer that you put them back....Modernist (talk) 16:35, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Been there, done that, but you might want to double check what I did because you-know-who certainly will. Carptrash (talk) 16:51, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank semi-spam
Thanks for your support in my RfA, which was closed as successful. I hope it does in fact "work out" :). Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 15:52, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Congratulations, well done...Modernist (talk) 15:55, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

 * Replied again. Jayjg <small style="color:darkgreen;">(talk) 04:05, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Once again, thank you, I am very pleased that you added so much of the truth about Epstein being a Jewish man...Modernist (talk) 04:07, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Jacob Epstein
Please read WP:MOSBIO, which states: "In most modern-day cases this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen or national, or was a citizen when the person became notable." It also states that country of birth or previous nationalities should not also be stated in the lead sentence. I hope this clarifies the matter.

If you wish examples, Isaac Asimov was an American, as was Al Jolson, though they were both born in Russia. I can list many more articles that comply with this policy. Yworo (talk) 02:46, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't give a damn about that nonsense. He was born in NYC and moved to England. Are you kidding me?..Modernist (talk) 03:13, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


 * No, I'm not kidding you. He became a British citizen before he became notable. We use citizenship at time of becoming notable in the lead sentence. In many cases where the subject became an American, this lead to nationals of the subject's native country claiming we are "Americanizing" the subject, but it applies just as well to those who abandoned their US citizenship by becoming nationals of another country. Presumably, since he changed citizenship, he would have preferred to have been known as British. Otherwise, like many other artists, he could have retained his US citizenship and worked as an ex-patriate. Yworo (talk) 03:16, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * We work here by consensus and I don't see you with anything but your own opinion...Modernist (talk) 03:18, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


 * The policies I am detailing were created by consensus. It's in WP:MOSBIO, please read it. Yworo (talk) 03:20, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You are mistaken...Modernist (talk) 03:21, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Learn how to read. Yworo (talk) 03:33, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:MOSBIO is a guideline not a policy. It is very much open to interpretation and consensus and there are often variations which are fully acceptable. <FONT COLOR="#000000">freshacconci</FONT><FONT COLOR="#B22222"> talk</FONT><FONT COLOR="#2F4F4F">talk</FONT> 03:44, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks fresh, I was basically going by my common sense, and instinct and experience, I should've looked...Modernist (talk) 03:49, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey, you're at #411 at the active Wikipedians list? I don't know whether I should congratulate you or not... <FONT COLOR="#000000">freshacconci</FONT><FONT COLOR="#B22222"> talk</FONT><FONT COLOR="#2F4F4F">talk</FONT> 04:29, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah - it's scary...Modernist (talk) 04:32, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I see there are more responses at the Epstein page. I'll leave you to it. It's late; I know we're both in the same time zone but I'm a wimp and I've have hit my limit for the night.

Edit warring
Now you're edit warring. I frequently welcome new editors and have no association with him. He certainly has a point though: "All his works were created in Britain, and are displayed in Britain; he took British citizenship, served with the British army, was granted knighthood by the Queen, and is buried in London. How important is his birthplace that it needs to go in the first sentence-?" Also, the EB article I quoted identifies him as British. Yworo (talk) 20:48, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd avoid the edit warring charge, Yworo, since you are in that territory yourself. Read WP:3RR more carefully. I fully endorse Modernist's revert of your bad faith edits. <FONT COLOR="#000000">freshacconci</FONT><FONT COLOR="#B22222"> talk</FONT><FONT COLOR="#2F4F4F">talk</FONT> 20:50, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * My edits are in complete good faith, and you, freshacconci, accused me of edit warring after two reverts. Modernist has also made two reverts, so your support of him is only due to your biases. Yworo (talk) 20:53, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * No, my support is based on the nature of Modernist's edit, reverting a questionable edit. You appear to be getting annoyed that several editors disagree with you and so you are not even bothering with the discussion and just going ahead with editing. This demonstrates bad-faith editing. You ignore WP:ASSUME by referring to my "biases" even after I mention on your talk page that I'll assume good faith. Anyway, I'm out of here for now. I suggest you take things to ANI if you're not happy. <FONT COLOR="#000000">freshacconci</FONT><FONT COLOR="#B22222"> talk</FONT><FONT COLOR="#2F4F4F">talk</FONT> 21:02, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * AN/I is certainly not the right venue for a content dispute. Surely you know that. Yworo (talk) 21:03, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, it is, if you read through the options for mediation, requests for comment, etc. It would be better to take your concerns there if you do not wish to follow the discussion and consensus-building procedure, rather than edit-warring or reverting without discussion and consensus. <FONT COLOR="#000000">freshacconci</FONT><FONT COLOR="#B22222"> talk</FONT><FONT COLOR="#2F4F4F">talk</FONT> 22:07, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * On talk I responded with this quote from the article - Although Epstein's work was highly original for its time, its influence on the younger generation of sculptors such as Henry Moore and Barbara Hepworth may have been limited, as much of Epstein's work was not on public display but in a few private collections, mainly in the United States....Modernist (talk) 20:52, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

The modernists
Strangely enough, yesterday I was thinking it might not be a bad idea to create a nav template, or some such to tie together all the articles about the modernists. I've put a bunch of them on my watchlist during my struggle with Ezra, but I often find myself using his article to navigate to the others. I've just had a look at some articles: W.B, H.D.,Joyce and Ezra don't have infoboxes. I'm sure there are others. It would need some kind of energy to pull them all together into a series, but I'm beginning to think it's worth the trouble. Have a look at the nationality for Tristan Tzara. Interesting. I can make an argument that for the this particular group of biographies, infoboxes are almost useless. They traveled, moved, had many influences and influenced the rest of the 20th century. How can all the be fit into an infobox? Sorry, this is a ramble, but I don't like to see what's happening at Epstein. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 18:41, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I think a modernists template can work and be a very useful navigation tool, good idea and called for. Separate subjects - Poets, Writers, Musicians, Painters, Dada, Surrealists, Theology, Philosophy, Dancers, the modernist template that we have is rudimentary and nearly useless. I appreciate your input, and yes, rudeness and strife is not fun to deal with...Modernist (talk) 19:04, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's what I envision. Tie together the entire group. I don't have experience working with templates, but would be willing to help when I get the chance. My fingers are itching to remove the infobox from Epstein, but I'll be accused of edit warring if I do. Hopefully others will chime in. I wanted to say something last night but was trying to concentrate, so I let it go until today. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 19:21, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, sometimes it tries the soul, the template is a good idea and the infobox should go - but that person is guarding it like a pitbull. Strange way to behave in a collaborative project. A case of WP:OWN at the moment...Modernist (talk) 19:26, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Damn! Should have just shut up! Truthkeeper88 (talk) 20:20, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Response
I don't care how good you say those books are they do not reference any texts in those articles and they should remain removed...Modernist (talk) 04:24, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Stay off my talk page...Modernist (talk) 04:27, 28 January 2011 (UTC)