User talk:MusikAnimal/Archive 18

Shooting of Michael Brown
Thanks for configuring the pending changes settings. For some reason, it doesn't seem to be working anymore and the article is getting disruptive edits again. --Bob K31416 (talk) 19:50, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The disruptive content is not visible to the vast majority of readers, so I think pending changes is still ok for right now, at least given the low edit rate from unconfirmed users. Feel free to request semi at WP:RFPP for another admin to review, however! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  19:53, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I just lost familiarity with how pending changes works. After reviewing the explanations of it, It looks like it's working as it's supposed to. Thanks. --Bob K31416 (talk) 20:21, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

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Re: Billy Unger
This was mine, but looks like someone messed it up here. Original report. Amaury (talk) 00:22, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Ha yeah I eventually found that. I didn't bother trying to piece the report back together, with the blocking of that IP it seems things have cooled down. Best &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  15:28, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

24.185.193.129 disruptive editing
Hi Musik. What is the action to be taken on repeat offenders? 24.185.193.129 has resumed disruptive editing after being temp blocked for vandalism. I am withholding report by giving safe due process by giving incremental warnings. Please do advise. Thanks,  Optakeover  (Talk)  15:13, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I have reported him to AIV as he has ignored all warnings. I would still want you to advise on this. Optakeover  (Talk)  15:22, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Blocked 72 hours. It almost seems like good-faith editing but the changes they are making are blatantly false, no choice but to block! Hopefully this will get their attention. Thanks for the report &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  15:26, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Huggle seems to have another issue: it treats expired block users as still on a warning 4 level so it immediately prompted me for AIV report. After temp block, can a user be immediately reblocked if he resumes disruptive editing? Optakeover  (Talk)  15:28, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I believe it detects if they are just coming off of a block, and will report to AIV at the first revert+warn. This is procedural and expected behaviour. "Vandalism after recent release of block" is valid rationale for reblocking, especially if they are exerting the same behaviour as before &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  15:33, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry to trouble you again, don't wish to trouble WP:SPI over a bunch of ducks. O.T. Genasis being vandalised by multiple SPA and anon of similar edits. Please do swing your block hammer. Optakeover  (Talk)  15:38, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * No problem. I blocked the one obvious sock account, but the IP is dynamic. Given the history semi-protection seemed favourable so went with that &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  15:42, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for everything. Cheers! Optakeover  (Talk)  15:43, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Hopefully my last appeal for help today
Hey Musik. User:Heathmcnease have feedback to me on a reversion of an edit I made in a message on my talk page here: User_talk:Optakeover. He has said that he doesn't want certain personal information to be made known on the article. I am currently reading WP:BLPPRIVACY. Balancing Wikipedia as an encyclopedia displaying publicly-made info and BLP issues especially requested by the person, can you advise on what should be edited out of the article? Optakeover (Talk)  15:54, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Edits in question: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Heath_McNease&diff=prev&oldid=673903655, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Heath_McNease&diff=prev&oldid=673947338. Optakeover  (Talk)  15:57, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Made the first few edits to the dates based on WP:BLPPRIVACY. Unsuprisingly, this is the first BLP request I've received. Optakeover  (Talk)  16:11, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Looks good. The names of the family members are reliably sourced (it seems), but per WP:BLPNAME if they are not themselves notable, there's no particular reason to mention them. The birthdate and birthplace are regularly included on BLPs, provided it is widely published in reliable sources. That may not be the case here, and frankly omitting this information does not lessen the understanding of the subject, so I think it's fine to remove it. My policy is generally to favour caution when working with BLPs, as this is one of our most crucial policies and there are potential legal concerns involved. &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  16:15, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Any need for revision history to be deleted? Also good if you could address inform the user with a message on my talk page, if you don't mind. Will also make further changes on family members based on your comment. Optakeover  (Talk)  16:18, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The birth date should be entirely removed as it's not sourced properly. I see no reason for revdel. --Neil N  talk to me 16:27, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Including the year? Optakeover  (Talk)  16:28, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes. Both sources are essentially directory listings. --Neil N  talk to me 16:31, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ Please do assist to check. Optakeover  (Talk)  16:32, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * All resolved. Thanks for your help, Musik and NeilN. Optakeover  (Talk)  16:41, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

The User Script Award!

 * Thank you for the kind words!! The idea behind responseHelper came from a script recommended, can't seem to find it... anyway they deserve some credit too! I'll take this moment to also express my fondness of you and how excellent of an admin I think you are. Always a pleasure working with you! You should log on the admin IRC channel sometime, it'd be good to have you as a resource and you might enjoy being a part of our silly shenanigans :) Cheers &mdash;  MusikAnimal  talk  15:22, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Wow, well thank you very much, and likewise! I'll be sure to pop into the IRC channel sometime. :) See you around! S warm   ♠  02:08, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

2015 GA Cup - Round 2
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2022 FIFA World Cup
Hi Musik. Thank you for your help at the aforementioned article. Remember your help at O.T. Genasis? Please peruse Sockpuppet_investigations/Migosyrn, the same sockmaster is at work. We are dealing with a determined troll here. Optakeover (Talk)  15:24, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

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Semi
Semi for A. J. Price please. Random spurt of vandalism and additions of poorly sourced content. Cheers. DaHuzyBru (talk) 16:17, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  16:21, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Another request - block for this user? Has not heeded to warnings or final warning. DaHuzyBru (talk) 16:41, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello from Railsparks
hi musikanimal,i have been trying to make changes to the DDI page but to no avail i am not very good on the wiki pages if i was to have the txt or what changes needed to be done it would be most appreciated.railsparks 04/08/15 Railsparks (talk) 17:32, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Removing content without explanation is a common form of vandalism. As stated on your talk page, you may not have as much trouble if you use an edit summary, that way others know what you're trying to do. If you run into a content dispute, try discussing the changes on the talk page. Do not edit war as that could get you in trouble. Discussion is key on Wikipedia.I also see you tried to open up a Request for Adminship, but did so incorrectly. I've taken the liberty of deleting that page, as it is far too soon for you to be seeking adminship, which is generally reserved for those with a long tenure and several thousand edits. Take your time, there's no rush. Let's first focus on expanding your understanding of how things work here so you can move forward with your valuable contributions.It looks like no one has formally welcomed you to Wikipedia either. So... welcome! I've left a template at the top of your talk page with some links you might find useful. If you ever need help don't hesitate to ask, the community is here for you! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  17:41, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello from Railsparks
hi musikanimal,thank you so much for taking the time to help me through this process of editing wiki i will endeavour to edith to the best of my ability and will do so in an truthfull and unbiased manor thank you again for time and patience.railsparks 4/08/15 Railsparks (talk) 18:36, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Edit Counter
Hi, since your name is listed at the bottom of the Edit Counter page and Cyberpower678 is busy IRL, I wanted to ask you a question about this tool. Specifically, where it should say "Article space" or something like that next to the pie chart when you enter a user's username, it instead says "일반 문서". Do you know why this is so and if you can fix it to be in English? Everymorning  talk  18:53, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey ! That Korean text is there presumably because of a bug with the translation tools we are using. We're not quite sure what the problem is, unfortunately. It actually used to be in German before it decided to change to Korean =P The primary author of the xTools suite has long left the project, leaving myself, Cyber and other recruited maintainers to attempt to patch up what is broken and just keep the service running overall. In the short term I don't think we have plans to diagnose this specific bug, as it is not critical. Sorry I could not be of more help! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  19:03, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Block
Block for this IP please. Continued unsourced additions over a prolonged amount of time. Has not heeded to warnings. DaHuzyBru (talk) 19:12, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

WP:PERM/A submission
Hey, MusikAnimal – thanks for trying to fix my submission to WP:PERM/A. Honestly, I found the instructions there as clear as mud – how should I have submitted that (so it come out properly)?! Thanks in advance! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:10, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Definitely hard to do by hand! There's a link at the top "Add a new request" and then normally all you would have to do is change Reason for requesting autopatrolled rights to your rationale. In your case you were nominating someone else, so you'd also need to change   to the appropriate username. That much probably isn't straightforward unless you understand the MediaWiki templating language. Perhaps we should add another link that reads "Nominate user" or something. I'll look into it! &mdash;  MusikAnimal  talk  22:14, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

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Hello from Son of Dòmhnall
Hello MusikAnimal. A couple of points ref the Notification: speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Brigadier Peter Macdonald. (TW)

1. It is intended as a draft; as in something that I am still working on; and 2. I am the author of the obit in the Bristol newspaper (I am a freelance journalist and author). Have you an email address with which I could correspond (mine is pilgrimmaster@aol.com) and I am unfamiliar with this medium? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Son of Dòmhnall (talk • contribs) 08:47, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to Wikipedia! I'd prefer to talk here on wiki if that is okay with you. Sorry you are having trouble. As described on your talk page, additions that appear to be copyrighted material are deleted immediately, whether it be in the draftspace or anywhere on the wiki. This purely for legal reasons. Not to worry... we can get it sorted out! For starters, are you sure you own the copyright, or does the Bristol newspaper now own it as you submitted it to them? We'd need explicit authorization to use it on Wikipedia. Sometimes it's easier to simply reword the content. If you'd like to follow through with donating the material for use on Wikipedia, please follow the instructions at WP:DONATETEXT. Let me know if you need any help! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  19:27, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

2015–16 Juventus F.C. season
I removed Paolo De Ceglie beacause he is not listed in the squad according to this http://www.juventus.com/en/news/news/2015/squad-numbers-for-the-2015-16-season.php — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.68.146.165 (talk) 00:51, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * No problem, just remember to leave an edit summary saying exactly what you told me, that way others know why you removed it. Sorry if this convention is not more clear. I believe the first time you tried to save you received an automated message saying the same thing... to leave an edit summary. Perhaps you didn't see it? I can try to make that message more prominent so new users like you are aware of this common issue. Thanks &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  19:31, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Holiday abroad
Template:Holiday abroad has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:35, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

RevDel
Hi MusikAnimal, Hope all's well :), I was wondering if you could revdel these please, Cheers, – Davey 2010 Talk 19:32, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Done. Hope all is well with you too! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  19:38, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Brilliant thank you. – Davey 2010 Talk 19:50, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry to bother you but it's happened again, Me thinks the article needs some protecting :), Thanks again – Davey 2010 Talk 14:24, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

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Rollback rights
You know, I would love to have rollback rights if I am eligible. 99.53.112.186 (talk) 19:46, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Make an account, continue to kick ass reverting vandalism as you have been for about a week, then I will happily grant you rollback! Note that for privacy reasons, when you create your account, you do not need to divulge this IP if you don't want to. We don't usually grant advanced rights to brand new accounts, and we also like to see 200 mainspace edits for rollback. However in your case you are quite good at counter-vandalism, so I'm willing to believe many admins will look pass the basic prerequisites &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  15:09, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

A beer for you!

 * Thanks for the beer, and your own contributions to the project! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  15:10, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

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MusikBot formatting issue
Howdy, MusikBot is not closing a < tt> tag properly at RFR. Can you please take a look? Thanks, Nakon  16:34, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure enough missing a <tt>t</tt> in that closing tag. Fixed. Not sure why it didn't fetch data for that user... I'll look into that too. Thanks! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  18:32, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Edit count is down
Xtools Edit count is not working and returning 404 error. Please check the tool. Thanks in advance.Prymshbmg (talk) 14:42, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I restarted the webservice and it seems ok now. Don't know what happened. The labs maintainers supposedly implemented some gobbledygook that automatically restarts webservers when they go down, but alas, it doesn't seem to have done that... I'll look into it! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  14:50, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

I removed some information upon request.
Hey there, I removed some information from Brigitte Barclay's wikipedia page on request from her herself. She would actually like the page removed, if not the modelling references.

Many thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oriongrant (talk • contribs) 15:09, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Please see your talk page, thanks! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  15:10, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Editing
I think personally that if someone makes a editing mistake you should cancel it and just leave it at that. Today my little brother came on to the laptop and just started to type, I got a message and I didn't know what to do — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guitars4ever (talk • contribs)
 * Please see WP:LITTLEBROTHER. We treat any vandalism as just that. You are responsible for keeping your account secure, and if disruption continues we will be forced to take action. I recommend logging out when you leave your computer terminal. Thanks for your understanding! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  15:13, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello from Adamjonmcnamara
Hi, I see you both deleted the added section and regenerated what was there before. I guess that is two points to discuss :)

I disagree regarding the additions being unconstructive. I don't feel you have had any time to examine the article to which it points and refers to and the amount of text is not dissimilar to that given to other ideas on what is bullshit. The idea is very much constructive as it provides a link between a real form of novel propaganda and the term which is used to describe it in the vernacular. If you don't believe this is the case please provide rationale for that.

With regard to what was removed. I felt the section read more like a dictionary than an entry to wikipedia. It was also about what Bullshit wasn't rather than what it was. Whether it stays or goes is something to discuss but is of secondary importance to me. Although it should definitely be edited whatever.

Kind regards

Adam — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adamjonmcnamara (talk • contribs) 16:54, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey! I patrol recent changes, and misidentified your edits as vandalism, and for that I am sorry. Hopefully it is obvious why I got confused... anyway I've restored your changes and want to give you a warm welcome to Wikipedia! I've left some links on your talk page that you might find useful. If you ever need anything, don't hesitate to ask, and again my apologies for the mishap. Best &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  17:01, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello from Mikebmr
REPLACE THIS TEXT WITH YOUR MESSAGE Mikebmr (talk) 19:51, 10 August 2015 (UTC) Hi--- physician refers to medical practitioners: inclusion of 'chiropractor' within this definition is misleading and inaccurate and suggests that those of that vocation are equivalent to medical professionals in the diagnosis and treatment of illness, injury, or disase--which, by law, chiropractic is forbidden to do.
 * Hi MusikAnimal, I came here to report a mass deletion because I see that you fixed it last time. Mikebmr has deleted the chiropractic section of the physician article again in this edit . While Mikebmr clearly does not like the content, it is well sourced, so should be left in. Could you please restore it once again? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.152.109.249 (talk) 19:43, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi again Musikanimal, I am just checking to see if you have looked into the deletion of sourced material by Mikebmr on the physician page yet? I see that you reverted his deletion a couple days ago, but he has since deleted it again. I will point out that the physician article history shows that Mikebmr has deleted this content repeatedly over the past few years and has been repeatedly reverted by different editors. For example, he is reverted on 06/15 by you; on 01/13 he is reverted by Puhlaa ; on 10/11 he is reverted by SDY ; on 09/11 reverted by Jesanj ; on 09/11 reverted by Puhlaa ; on 08/11 he is reverted by Wtmitchell ; on 08/11 by Jesanj ; etc. Moreover, there was a discussion about including chiropractors some time ago on the talk page: and a discussion about Mikebmr repeatedly deleting the content here: . The text is sourced and consensus is clearly to keep it, so it would be great if you could look into the most recent deletion by Mikebmr. Thanks 108.181.201.237 (talk) 23:52, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello, sorry for the delay. I've restored the content, as I'm not convinced its removal is warranted. Going to ping so they are aware they were mentioned here, but please resume discussion about the content at Talk:Physician so others can chime in. I'll make one brief remark, that the "law" you speak of Mikebmr may not apply here, as this article is intended to be neutral and representative of all nationalities. The persistence to remove this content over the years is telling, and could get you into trouble. Please discuss as encouraged. Thank you to you both &mdash;  MusikAnimal  talk  00:29, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for having a look at that! 108.181.201.237 (talk) 04:24, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi--nothing wrong with the chiropractic vocation: however it is incorrect to assert that it is an equivalency to health care providers: there are lots of reasons for that, however the desire of those in the chiropractic field to state an association with the term physician should not be the merit for such inclusiveness here at the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikebmr (talk • contribs) 18:00, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Again, please discuss at Talk:Physician &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  18:03, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

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The CMO Survey
Dear Musik, I'm a newbie. We submitted a page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:The_CMO_Survey but never received confirmation that it was published. I just found out that it was but someone falsified the information. I have tried to edit twice but it was changed back even though I put in summary comments the second time as you recommended. Can you help me? Christine.moorman (talk) 19:12, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry for getting to you so late. Looks like the page was deleted, so hopefully that addresses your concerns. Let me know if need anymore help! Best &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  15:05, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Oldest people
Thank you for protecting our version. Peolle like ricky need to respect that we don't care about your notice boards or whatever say, they are just wrong. The WOP has already explained why the GRG is a reliable source. Please go and block ricky for disrupting the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.171.120.167 (talk) 18:16, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * please protect List of supercentenarians who died before 1980 the same way. Disruption also continues at WikiProject World's Oldest People page too, please protect our version too.
 * Do not continue to undo others' changes on other pages. I did not protect "your" version, I protected the revision prior to the edit war, which is quite likely the the wrong version. I'm going to back off at this point, my goal was simply to halt the edit war, which you apparently are continuing to do elsewhere. I advise you to use the corresponding talk pages to seek consensus &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  18:50, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

We have consensus. You protected the right version. Protect List of supercentenarians who died in 2014 too. Every version is going fine until the edit wars started. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.171.121.17 (talk) 18:51, 14 August 2015 (UTC) Please comment at ANI. I collapsed the nonsense section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.171.121.17 (talk) 19:15, 14 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your clarification at ANI and I apologize for pinging you there. Have a great weekend. Ca2james (talk) 19:48, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Some days they don't pay us enough to volunteer here. Thanks for the help. A reminder that the wrong version means just that, no matter what you pick, it will be wrong to someone. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 20:54, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

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Edit Counter again
I wanted to ask you about another problem with this tool, which you help maintain. It seems that for everyone except myself it is not working. Do you know why this is the case? Everymorning (talk) 15:19, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Just tried it on a few users and it is working fine for me. What issues are you experiencing? Are there errors being returned? Incomplete data? Note that as with any edit counter, it will run slower for the more prolific editors with a high edit count. &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  16:16, 17 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Yeah, at the time I posted the above comment it wasn't working for most users at least for me but now it is working fine for me too, so never mind. Everymorning (talk) 16:20, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello from Garchy
Hi,

I've had numerous problems with vandalism on a few pages. Unfortunately the user (definitely tied) has multiple cellular IP's it uses, severely interfering with my attempts to curb the vandalism. Overall, this user has reverted over 10-15 of my edits, with about 12 IP's. I have attempted communication through ALL the IP Talk pages, and usually the user taunts in reply. Recently (this has been going on for 9 days) this has become particularly frustrating, as I feel (even after opening a sock puppet investigation and No Original Research investigation) that I am the only one fighting this problem. A little background: This user has constantly added information about a "T-Squared Records", which cannot be found with any internet search and does not exist in this town. I had tried helping the user, but all attempts have failed. No response from CU's. Is there any help you can offer? This user must be having a kick since they haven't been blocked/banned yet.

Pages vandalized:
 * Westborough, Massachusetts
 * Vintonville Historic District
 * Westborough High School (Massachusetts)‎

Open investigations:
 * Sockpuppet investigations/66.87.125.201
 * []

Suspected sockpuppets:



Thanks -Garchy (talk) 20:22, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I have commented and closed the SPI. I don't think admin action is necessary at this time, but if disruption resume do let me know. &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  14:42, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for looking into it! If the problem persists I'll let you know. Thanks, Garchy (talk) 15:01, 14 August 2015 (UTC)


 * The user is at it again - they have been doing this for about 3-4 weeks so I didn't think they were bound to stop. I'm going to request page protection, but as this user hasn't slowed down with the protections (they just move to other pages) what can we do? [] - Thanks, Garchy (talk) 14:07, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * This is starting to get ridiculous, page protection doesn't seem to work with this user - [], [] - user contributions under this IP - [] Garchy (talk) 14:11, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * All the pages you've linked to are from 15 August, before page protection was put in place. Could you point me to any recent disruption? &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  17:20, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yup - [], from yesterday. This user has been vandalizing for two weeks (first vandalism entry []), and page protection has been placed and expired twice on 3 pages by Airplaneman, an admin who I'm sure can also speak to the vandalism. If you look at the CU case (which you closed), as well as all the links above it should give you a good view of the scope of this vandalism, as well as it being recent, and not a passing fad like you may assume. The reason I came to you is that you've helped me with vandalism issues like this in the past - could you perhaps point me in the correct direction for help with this (or a correct board to post to) if you aren't the right person to help? Garchy (talk) 19:26, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I should also point out, before sounding too jerky, that I'm really looking for the right way to handle this. To me this looks like a sock-puppet case, but since I don't know the intricacies of the system I don't know if this is the right way to handle this (an SPI case) or if there is another way to do this. Garchy (talk) 19:35, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * No problem, I'm happy to help. However the edits you linked to again were made prior to page protection, on 15 August. This tells me page protection is effective, and if it is limited to a few pages than I believe that's what we should stick with. We can always protect again as needed, and if all goes according to plan the disruptive user will simply move on. There's no need to take further actions unless disruption has been observed. Mind you Sockpuppet investigations/66.87.125.201 is indeed sockpuppet investigation case page, not a CU case as you previously called it. CU stands for CheckUser, who play a key role in SPI cases with accounts, but do not publicly investigate on IPs which is what we have here. As for the "right way" to handle this, continuing to add to the SPI case may not be necessary. Since page protection works, just request that next time at WP:RFPP or contact me or another admin directly. Thanks again for staying on top of this! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  19:42, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice! I'll keep an eye on it, and if it gets unmanageable I'll come to you. Thanks, Garchy (talk) 20:05, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello from User_Talk:thescream80
i am creating a page for Rachael West but I got a deletion message. This is my first time using Wikipedia. Can you please help me so my page does not get deleted. You wrote on my page that you or someone could check it. I would appreciate any help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thescream80 (talk • contribs) 01:51, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I've replied on your talk page, and am watching it. If you don't hear back from me when you reply there, you can ping me with the code . That will send me a notification and I will see that you have replied. Best &mdash;  MusikAnimal  talk  04:44, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Radio articles
Since IP 72.29.33.107's block expired, they have returned to make multiple unsourced changes across radio pages. No edit summaries, nothing. You were the last admin to deal with them - would you mind taking a look again? Thanks!  Scr ★ pIron IV 14:13, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Blocked 72 hours &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  15:03, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you!  Scr ★ pIron IV 15:04, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

And immediately agter the last block expired, they are at it again. Nothing on the talk pages, no edit summaries, just changing stations on templates and lists. I don't know if longer term page protection might be more effective? I don't know if they would just move on to different pages, or if a longer block is a better idea. I'm not certain if it is intentional vandalism, or just misguided good faith changes. The changes they have made have been surprisingly consistent.  Scr ★ pIron IV 20:19, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * If it's a single IP than a block is definitely more favourable. I agree they might be good-faith edits but unfortunately we are forced to block in this case, given we've more than sufficiently warned them and attempted to discuss the matter. I've reblocked for a week &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  20:29, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you again for your time and attention!  Scr ★ pIron IV 20:40, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

And here we are again, the individual changed IP's today and is back to the same behavior. They are now using 72.29.32.119. So far, I have kept up with the reversions, but I want to ensure that I am not hounding this user. I trust that my behavior in this matter has been acceptable.  Scr ★ pIron IV 13:18, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Persistent addition of unsourced content is certainly disruptive, and if anything, what we have here can be considered block evasion &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  14:46, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

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Loom bands and Loom (band), BeeApril
Hi there,

I saw that you recently edited the article "Rainbow Loom" (bands) and I hope you can help me. I created an article for the UK band Loom, and I'd like to add a similar page redirect from "Loom (band)" to the "Rainbow Loom" article, and from "Rainbow Loom" to the "Loom (band)" article.

So on top of the Rainbow Loom article it can say:

"For the English rock band, see Loom (band). For other uses, see Loom (disambiguation)."

and for Loom (band) it could say:

"For the plastic loom for rubber bands, see Rainbow Loom. For other uses, see Loom (disambiguation)."

Thanks for your help,

BeeApril (talk) 21:22, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry for getting back to you so late. First off, congratulations on your first article! I hope there are many more to come :) I see no one has formally welcomed you to Wikipedia, so allow me to do the honours. I've left some links at the top of your talk page that you may find useful.As for your inquiry, what you are referring to are called hatnotes, and here I'm not too sure if we really need them. The idea is to help users find what they are looking for, assuming there is some ambiguity. The page name Loom (band) makes it pretty clear the subject is about the band, and not about a particular kind of loom. A better example of an ambiguous title would be Loom. Here we might actually be looking for the band, but since there are several other topics concerning the word "loom", we instead link to a disambiguation page. Hopefully that makes sense... but let me know otherwise. Thanks again for taking the time to contribute to the project, look forward to seeing around! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  04:28, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh dear... I've completely misread. You mean to say that Rainbow Loom is a type of rubber band, so the user may come to Loom (band) thinking it is about the rubber band. I also see Loom band redirects to Rainbow Loom, so everything you are saying now makes perfect sense. Apologies! I can help you, as I do think a hatnote is needed here. &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  04:34, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've added the hatnotes redirect and about to Rainbow Loom and Loom (band), respectively. Not sure if we need to also link to Loom (disambiguation) as those other uses are probably not what the reader was looking for. What do you think? &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  04:41, 19 August 2015 (UTC)


 * That's perfect - thank you so much! Loom (disambiguation) isn't needed so don't worry about that. Thanks for the cookies too, they're delicious! -- BeeApril (talk) 16:56, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Geoff Fincher
Please would you recreate Draft:Geoff Fincher, which you recently deleted, in my user space so I may work on it? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:44, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * No problem, it's at User:Pigsonthewing/Geoff Fincher. If you plan on going through AfC again you might even want to move it back to the draftspace. Up to you! Best &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  21:35, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello from AlecWinPE
Hi MusikAnimal--sorry about that. I'm still learning the ropes, but the reason I did that was because there are two pages: College Union Slam Poetry Invitational and College Unions Slam Poetry Invitational. The former is not exactly what it's called--it's Unions instead of Union. Also, the former wasn't as up to date, as it didn't have the 2015 winners updated so I thought the latter was just a better result. To be honest, I was just trying to be helpful; in the future what should I do? AlecWinPE (talk) 22:30, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry for taking so long to get back to you. I'm 100% at fault here, you did nothing wrong! I patrol recent changes and saw you removed a large amount of sourced content with the edit summary "third time's the charm", so hopefully you can understand why I thought it was vandalism. Anyway it wasn't, so my apologies! I have redirected the article just as you had it. I've also left some links on your talk page that you might find useful as you get acquainted with Wikipedia. If you ever need help with anything moving forward don't hesitate to reach out to me :) &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  18:57, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

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Hello from AufErsuchen
Hi, I just rewrote the article on Ulrike Haage accordingly to what I did on the german wikipedia. I left some you did write, just made an update. Hope this is OK with you. By the way I'm editing the German wikipedia from time to time. I know her personally and thought both the German and English should contain at least all her works so far. FYI, Her new solo album MAELSTROM will be out September 4, 2015.

Kind regards (AufErsuchen (talk) 18:23, 25 August 2015 (UTC))

Hello from 24.228.25.68
I do not know how to reference the Registry of which he is in and is also in violation. Crimes like these should be part of a persons biography. Not including it when its absolutely true is a crime in itself. 24.228.25.68 (talk) 19:31, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * That source is not the same person at all. Biographies on living persons are taken very seriously, and if you don't have good, solid, reliable sources to support claims like that we will be forced to take preventive measures such as blocking. Either way it is not our aim to add defamation, wholly true or not. For instance, this sort of thing would not go in the lead. Please refrain from making further claims, here on my talk page or anywhere on the wiki. If you'd like to discuss in private you can email me. Thank you for your understanding &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  19:43, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I actually did manage to find them on that government registry, but I still don't think this information warrants inclusion as the subject is not really known for it. I could not find additional secondary sources to support it either. For this reason we should not write about it, as no one else is writing about it either. Understand there are serious concerns with stating defamatory content like this about living persons, potentially legal concerns... so we prefer to play it safe. Thanks &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  20:07, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

A new kind of edit war?
I noticed that you have been commenting on some inappropriate edits by editor MusicAngels (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MusicAngels) and I thought you might be interested in my latest comment on a page reassessment that this editor requested recently: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:W._H._Auden/GA1

This editor seems to be conducting a new kind of edit war: Last month, I removed a few dozen improper hatnotes that the editor had created, and now the editor seems to be taking revenge with a reassessment request that has some very odd features in it. I'll be very grateful if you could look it over and draw your own conclusions. Thanks. - Macspaunday (talk) 09:18, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
 * At very quick glance it seems there is valid justification for good article reassessment. If there are other issues with user conduct beyond this GAR I recommend bringing it to WP:AN/I, if you feel admin intervention is needed. Unfortunately I cannot devote the time to this right now. Sorry I could not be of more help! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  19:25, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Understood. I certainly have no objection to a reassessment at this or any time, and there's no reason to call for intervention. I wanted to put on record that some of the items in the reassessment request are quite questionable. What matters, of course, is the quality of the article, not the rating, so I'll let this matter rest for the moment. - Macspaunday (talk) 20:02, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I have just left a message on Macspaunday's talk page about the problematic poetry vanity projects created by MusicAngel.  The Poetry in the Early 20th Century page ought not to be "protected" it ought to be deleted entirely. 19:36, 25 August 2015 (UTC)19:36, 25 August 2015 (UTC)19:36, 25 August 2015 (UTC)~  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.90.95.69 (talk)

May I chime in to say that MusicAngels (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MusicAngels)  is the named creator of several very bad poetry pages that he refuses to let anyone edit or criticize. I am anonymous, yes, but I am a professor of poetry and there are quite a few of us startled by his pages and the lack of justifications for their existence. Now they are protected so that nobody can change them. They really are terribly terribly bad.23:01, 24 August 2015 (UTC)23:01, 24 August 2015 (UTC)23:01, 24 August 2015 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:147:102:B30:7DE7:2B1E:CEE2:B91A (talk)

I have tagged all articles created by User:MusicAngels for deletion on the basis that they were not created by consensus.11:29, 26 August 2015 (UTC)11:29, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello from 68.185.75.74
nuts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.185.75.74 (talk) 18:06, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

No copyright violations of any kind and valid forms of using material within wikipedia are fully followed in WP:CWW.
There are no copyright violations of any kind in the article which fully attributes all of its many citations. The policy about valid forms of using old material in Wikipedia in new articles which have been reviewed and patrolled by WikiProjects and WikiPartrol are documented in WP:CWW (Copying within wikipedia) and in WP:Forking for Valid forms of use of old material within wikipedia. There is no copyright violation anywhere in the article of any kind and I have gone out of my way to bring the references up to date and ensuring that the links are working. Any flags for copyright violations should be removed since there is no copyright violation in the reviewed article of any kind. MusicAngels (talk) 15:04, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * You don't need to copy and paste your comment here, I saw it at AN/I. Let's continue with discussion there &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  15:08, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

A beer for you!

 * No problem. I did evaluate your recent editing history to determine if you were fit for the user right, and I didn't see any major concerns. Keep up the good work &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  15:15, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

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