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Wikipedia talk:Cleanup/Archive 12
, can you have a look at Wikipedia talk:Cleanup/Archive 12? I archived the previous year of the Talk page. Not sure that I did it correctly using copy/paste. Let me know and I'll rectify what needs fixing. I think the template substitutions may be an issue. Thank you! —  W ILD S TAR  TALK 16:27, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hey WildStar, I've looked at it - I hope you don't mind me replying instead of NA1000, I did some archiving of the project talk page before - the only change I've made is put the discussion-closing templates back. Otherwise, it looks fine to me - copy & paste is basically the approach as far as I know, normally I don't think anything needs to be done beyond that. What could require some judgement would be deciding what to archive and what to leave - I think you've done well on that front, you don't seem to have archived anything that was still in need of action.
 * The only issue I can think of is that the project page and the archives contain a bunch of links to the "scope" discussion - people have often been linking to that discussion whenever they strike out part of a request that asks for the addition of sources. Some of those links will not have been permanent links and now be broken - maybe they should be turned into permanent links or retargeted to the archive version. I should say though, I think it was a fine decision to archive it, as it was not quite a while ago and not unresolved. Kind regards from  PJvanMill ) talk ( 21:44, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * PS: I'm probably reading too much into your words, but I hope I didn't accidentally give you the wrong impression with this edit: I was only subst'ing because that specific template always needs to be subst'ed, which I'd forgotten to do moments before
 * PPS: What you described here as subst'ing was not really subst'ing: subst'ing is done by typing  in front of the template name after the double opening brace   and then saving the page - it produces something that looks exactly like when the template is transcluded, except the template is gone - see WP:Substitution


 * Copy attribution is missing from this archiving, which is required as per WP:COPYWITHIN:


 * Wikipedia's licensing requires that attribution be given to all users involved in creating and altering the content of a page. Wikipedia's page history functionality lists all edits made to a page and all users who made these changes, but it cannot, however, in itself determine where text originally came from. Because of this, copying content from another page within Wikipedia requires supplementary attribution to indicate it. At minimum, this means providing an edit summary at the destination page – that is, the page into which the material is copied – stating that content was copied, together with a link to the source (copied-from) page.


 * I went ahead and added copy attribution in edit summaries for WildStar for these (diff, diff). In the future, please abide by this rule. Thanks! North America1000 12:13, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Northamerica1000 : Actually, what is the policy on this? Because the more I think about it, the less clear it becomes to me.
 * The one thing I know is that edit summaries are not the only way to do attribution - the source of the content can also be indicated on the page itself. In fact, it's a more direct form of attribution, because the reader is given the info by the page itself instead of first having to follow the "History" link. This method makes more sense to me for an archive, where practically all the content originates from one different page.
 * But then I read the advice at Help:Archiving a talk page, where neither attribution in edit summaries nor with a note on the page are mentioned...? I can think of two explanations for this:
 * Maybe the text of, though it does not explicitly state that the content comes from the linked page, is considered good enough for a note?
 * Maybe the reasoning is that every comment on a talk page is signed and that the signature directly attributes the comment to its author?
 * Both of these seem a bit... incautious, though. So I'm half considering changing the notes atop the project page archives and the project talk page archives so they explicitly state that the content originates from the respective source page. (Because as you can see in the various page histories, I have not linked back to the source page in the e.s. of every archiving edit.) But it feels like either that should be done on every talk archive (or rather, there should be a change in the wording of ) or there is no need to do it at all.
 * But @WildStar, I agree with the recommendation to indicate in the e.s. of the removing edit to which archive page you're archiving it, not because it would be a copyvio to leave this out (it's not), but just because it's very useful information. Kind regards from  PJvanMill ) talk ( 18:12, 19 December 2021 (UTC) (sorry if I'm overthinking this and boring/bothering either of you with these confused thoughts)
 * Not sure why Help:Archiving a talk page has nothing about copy attribution, but maybe it should, or maybe not. For what it's worth, Wikipedia:Copyright violations also says nothing about talk pages; it's all about articles. I really don't want to get too involved in any of this, as I am generally working on other things. Hey PJvanMill, if you find a way to improve the archive page notices, go for it. North America1000 14:56, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Northamerica1000 I really don't want to get too involved in any of this: and I won't ask you to  I was just thinking out loud, sorry if I came across as " GIVE ME ANSWERS NOW!!!1! ". if you find a way to improve the archive page notices, go for it: I think I will at some point. Kind regards from  PJvanMill ) talk ( 17:42, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

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Portal:Tornadoes
Thanks for adding the image and some incoming links to Portal:Tornadoes. I realize portals are considered an ancient concept by many on WP, but I think they have some use. Noah Talk 15:30, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Short reply for now... probably more later. The portal looks good, lots of content and lots of articles to choose from. A vital action is to add links to the portal in relevant articles, relevant portals and article templates, so WP:READERS can become aware of the new portal's existence. In my view, having adequate links is one of the most important aspects of portals outside of content within the portal itself. North America1000 15:40, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

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   Thanks for the holiday cheer above, and here's to an upcoming Happy New Year! North America1000 15:19, 26 December 2021 (UTC)


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 * Thanks NA1k and I wish you and yours a Happy, Healthy and Safe New Year, Take care, All the best, – Davey 2010 Talk 15:49, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

A somewhat premature New Year's greeting

 * Thanks, and a happy upcoming New Year to you as well! North America1000 19:33, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

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Articles for deletion/2015 Nadia riots (2nd nomination)
FYI. You had voted before. Happy editing. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 14:37, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Benjamin Javaheri

 * The user's opinion has a personal problem with the article .?

1:(Benjamin_Javaheri) 2:(Benjamin_Javaheri_(2nd_nomination)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Minavahid (talk • contribs) 05:22, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I have replied at Articles for deletion/Benjamin Javaheri, per your contribution there after posting here. North America1000 05:59, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

in friendship
Thank you for being around, and your good wishes! - Happy new year, in friendship! - One of my pics was on the Main page (DYK) and even made the stats. - In this young year, I enjoyed meetings with friends in real life, and wish you many of those. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:26, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the kind wishes, and very beautiful photography. I like the stream in your hiking to Nymphenburg Park image, how it mirrors everything. Beautiful. North America1000 19:27, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

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WikiProject Deletion sorting/Olympics
Hello, I've begun a deletion sorting page for articles about the Olympics which are nominated at AfD. Hope you find it useful. No Great Shaker (talk) 13:26, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * A great idea, and keep them coming. Well, WP:NOLYMPIC was recently changed, so a delsort page makes sense. Keep it shakin'! See also: Sugaree. North America1000 13:30, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, NA. I'll try, ha! Interesting reference to Sugaree there – I once saw the Grateful Dead at the Filmore. They were good. All the best. No Great Shaker (talk) 13:37, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The Fillmore. Damn, that was way back in the day. East or West? North America1000 13:41, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry, I forgot there were two. It was the East, in New York. I was over there on a student exchange trip. A long, long time ago. No Great Shaker (talk) 13:45, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Aah, you're an English bloke (I checked out your user page) . Well, lotsa great bands are from there. Pink Floyd, Led Zep and Cream immediately come to mind. The Dead were a one of a kind thing, and remained that way all the way through. North America1000 13:50, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * All great bands, as you say. The Fillmore gig I was at must have been one of the last. It's strange how you forget things but I thought it was still open a couple of years more after I was there. No Great Shaker (talk) 13:57, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Dead were a straight-up jam band all the way through. Lots of improvisation. Never played the same two shows the same way. North America1000 14:00, 23 March 2022 (UTC)