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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greek Cypriots v. TRNC and HSBC Bank USA
Hi Northamerica. I wanted to enquire about your closure of the AfD. It had 4 well-documented keep votes. 1 delete from a regular editor without good reasoning and another delete from an SPA/sock with a single contribution. Even the nom admitted at the end that he could see the point of view of the editors who !voted "keep". The article also easily passes GNG. How did these facts translate into "no consensus"? Under these circumstances, I think the closure should change to keep. Thank you for your consideration. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις  05:39, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * (ping) User:Dr.K.: The discussion was somewhat close to being qualified as being closed with a "keep" result, but doesn't quite fully qualify, in my opinion. Considerations in the discussion from a user regarding potential WP:NOTNEWS issues ("This reads like a news-story, not a encyclopedic entry") and potential bias within the article, Courthouse News not being considered as a reliable source by a user, and concerns in the discussion about potential original research in the article prevented me from performing a keep closure. Hopefully this serves to clarify the close. Sincerely, Northamerica1000(talk) 06:06, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you four explanation Northamerica, but This reads like a news-story, not a encyclopedic entry is the view of the SPA account. That the article is biased is not a reason for deletion. And the presence of at least nine RS makes the article fully compliant with GNG, never mind if Courthouse news is RS or not, which I think it is. I still think that the no consensus closure is unjustified. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις  06:15, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * (ping) User:Dr.K.: I'm not fully comfortable changing the close to "keep", but I fully appreciate your points above. No consensus still defaults to keep. If you'd like, feel free to request me to reopen the discussion, and I will. Northamerica1000(talk) 06:23, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you Northamerica. I would like to put this matter to rest, so if you don't mind reopening it, it would be great. Thank you again. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις  06:29, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * (ping) User:Dr.K.: ✅. The close has been reverted, the AfD template placed back on the article at Toumazou et al. v. Republic of Turkey et al. (per the page move you performed), and the discussion has been relisted at Articles for deletion/Log/2014 February 1. Northamerica1000(talk) 06:38, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * (ping) User:Dr.K.: Also, I've struck part of a comment I made above. Northamerica1000(talk) 06:40, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much Northamerica and sorry for the trouble. Best regards. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις  06:45, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * No worries, and happy editing. Cheers, Northamerica1000(talk) 06:49, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

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See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Richard Keech: more bot problems. Quis separabit? 02:19, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
 * User:Rms125a@hotmail.com: I've formatted the header more; it should be fixed now. Thanks for the notification. Northamerica1000(talk) 02:23, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, but it's not fixed. I have the page watchlisted. There must be something about adding Murder of Nicholas Candy to the Keech AFD that is driving the bot batty. Quis separabit?  02:48, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
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Guatemala–India relations
I noticed you added these links a year ago. Have you considered actually working these into the article? Thanks. LibStar (talk) 16:41, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion, and I'll add it to my to-do list. Northamerica1000(talk) 22:54, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Update: I have performed some improvements to the article. Northamerica1000(talk) 19:35, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. LibStar (talk) 05:02, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
 * (ping) User:LibStar: This one has some room for expansion. I may or may not work on the article more, but perhaps others might. That's it for now. Cheers, Northamerica1000(talk) 12:26, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Biker bar
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Eva Haller
Hi there! Thanks for your discussion extension on Eva Haller... I've added a bit more to the discussion page and the article that might help it. Also - it has been a week since the discussion was extended... which is when I thought a decision would be made? Any help would be greatly appreciated! Many thanks, United191 (talk) 19:42, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi: I relisted the discussion because at the time, there wasn't enough input for a consensus to be evident. I just !voted regarding the article at the deletion discussion page here, so I'll leave it for someone else to decide whether to relist it or not. In the event the article is deleted, don't be discouraged, and thank you for contributing to Wikipedia. Northamerica1000(talk) 21:42, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for your vote. Is there an editor that I could leave a message for to request a decision? United191 (talk) 05:04, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Check out Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure. Northamerica1000(talk) 07:05, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Johnathan Seitler QC
Hi. I've undone your non-admin closure of Articles for deletion/Johnathan Seitler QC. While it's true that Johnathan Seitler QC has been deleted, it does survive as Jonathan Seitler QC and the status of that latter article is what the AfD is now about. Cheers, Pichpich (talk) 01:50, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the notification; makes sense, since the article Jonathan Seitler QC also exists. I accidentally missed the second article in the discussion. Northamerica1000(talk) 02:50, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Please take a second look at an article which you had reviewed Since we are releasing the movie on this 21st, we would appreciate it much if you give it some 'undue' priority

Kumar Sree for Ettekaal Second — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sreekumarteacher (talk • contribs) 08:28, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Ping User:Sreekumarteacher: I think I'll pass on contributing to the discussion itself. I'm not finding significant coverage in reliable sources that go in-depth about Seitler himself. However, some sources mention him in the context of him being a barrister, which include:, , . Northamerica1000(talk) 02:22, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

a recent relist
I have reverted a recent relist as a controversial relist. I had already noted at the AfD that it should have been promptly closed. I have requested admin assistance at WP:BLP to address BLP issues at the AfD, but there has been no response. There is a technical problem with the bots. I hope that an admin will not force more of this "discussion" on the volunteers of the AfD community. Unscintillating (talk) 12:04, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
 * (ping) User:Unscintillating: I noticed your revert, and no worries. The discussion at Articles for deletion/Melissa Scott (pastor) is actually quite a good contender for relisting based upon the overall course of the discussion at this time. However, since you reverted it we'll see how it goes from there. Northamerica1000(talk) 12:07, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I have requested a close at WP:Requests for closure. Unscintillating (talk) 12:42, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Tiger penis soup
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Castle Bakery
Tiger penis soup? Yikes! I came across this regional bakery chain and I'm having trouble finding sources. It was founded in 1885. How's your Welsh? Can you load this source and see if it says anything worthwhile? I am having trouble getting it to load properly on my Amiga 1600. Thanks. Candleabracadabra (talk) 17:41, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Candleabracadabra: The book source has only one line about Castle Bakery. It states, "...and the Castle Bakery, 83 Market Street, is one of the more appealing cafes." That's it. Northamerica1000(talk) 04:07, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... THanks. It was showing up as having material on multiple pages but I was having trouble asking them. Anyway, thanks for your assistance. If someone wants to delete it I think it will go to AfD. Not sure if there are maybe more sources in Welsh, but given its long history it seems pretty significant to me. Candleabracadabra (talk) 04:23, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
 * (ping) User:Candleabracadabra: Per this search, there's also a mention in a map key on page 488. This, in addition to the above, appears to be all in the book. Northamerica1000(talk) 04:54, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Stonehurst
I have no problems it being relisted, but I'd just like to remind you that "Relisting debates repeatedly in the hope of getting sufficient participation is not recommended, and while having a deletion notice on a page is not harmful, its presence over several weeks can become disheartening for its editors. Therefore, in general, debates should not be relisted more than twice". Again, just a reminder, no TB necessary. Dan653 (talk) 19:29, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes. I'm aware of the instructions at WP:RELIST. Mine was the second relist for Articles for deletion/Stonehurst Family Farm and Motor Museum, and at the time of the relist, and as of now, there is only your nomination and one !vote. Hopefully the relisting will generate more discussion there. Northamerica1000(talk) 01:29, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Extra tag
Here's a useful tag you might consider adding to many of the articles you tag:

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 * User:Johnbod: I've seen this joke template before, and it's a funny sarcasm there. Since I've worked to improve thousands of Wikipedia articles, often removing outdated tags in the process, I can't take it personally if I add some templates to articles at times. Template messages work pretty good when people address them, but I doubt I'll use this anywhere... Northamerica1000(talk) 18:31, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oriol Sellarès Martínez
Please see a question I left for you at Articles for deletion/Oriol Sellarès Martínez -- RoySmith (talk) 17:42, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:RoySmith: The administrator who initially relisted the discussion stated that it was "apparently a test case". There wasn't any new discussion after the first relisting, so I relisted it again. Also, there were concerns in the discussion about the depth of coverage in sources about the subject. Hope this clarifies the matter. Sincerely, Northamerica1000(talk) 23:08, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
 * (ping) User:RoySmith – Update: Articles for deletion/Oriol Sellarès Martínez was closed by the first relister (User:Mark Arsten ) with a 'keep' result for the article to be retained. Northamerica1000(talk) 20:31, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/The Kingdom Series
Hi Northamerica1000, I was wondering why you closed NC when the only two voters were in consensus to Keep. I realize it's the same thing, but the problem with a NC is it emboldens nominators to make future AfDs. Which is anyone's right, but there is a bureaucratic overhead that a definitive closure helps nudge things along. Not to say NC are not the right choice sometimes. -- Green  C  17:55, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Green Cardamom: The deletion nomination itself is also taken into consideration when closing discussions, and is included as an !vote. I closed the discussion as no consensus with no prejudice against speedy renomination due to an overall and relative lack of participation in the discussion after two relistings. Hopefully this clarifies my actions, and feel free to contact me if you have any further questions or need any additional information. Northamerica1000(talk) 17:59, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Ok I see thanks for the explanation, cheers. -- Green  C  18:01, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

My watchlist
Hi, I have just checked my watch list and found that in the last hour you are the most recent editor of almost everything in it - around 15 articles. I have no problem with any of the changes you have made to these articles, and I know you are very active, but I really hope that you are not working your way through everything I have done hoping to find fault. That would be contrary to policy as you know. I am sure it is just a coincidence. Thanks. Philafrenzy (talk) 18:10, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Philafrenzy: I can't see your watchlist. I do have some concerns about several of your recent AfD nominations that I've spent time to counter, some of which appear to have possibly occurred without prior source research. I have reviewed some of your contributions, and in the process of review, I also worked to improve some of the articles in the process. Please consider source searching per section D of WP:BEFORE prior to nominating articles for deletion, if you haven't already done so. Many of your nominations are ambiguous, stating only "not notable" as the rationale, and many of them were (too) easily countered after simple source searches. Also please keep in mind that adding a refimprove template, etc. may be more functional in some cases rather than blunt deletion nominations. Thanks for your consideration. Northamerica1000(talk) 18:13, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I know you don't have access to it, but you do have access to other logs of my work and clearly have been working through them. Please don't stalk me, it's not justified as I imagine you are beginning to realise. Regarding the AFDs, I tried proding them instead to save effort but you removed the prod. I certainly will search for sources but the root problem is that you seem to take the view that any mention anywhere on the web amounts to a reliable source when WP:CORPDEPTH makes clear that "trivial or incidental coverage of a subject is not sufficient to establish notability". Many of the sources that you cite are dead, behind paywalls or extremely shallow routine mentions of the type almost every company has. I might also point out that the vast majority of what I have nominated has indeed been deleted. I doubt we are going to agree on this point so I will leave it at that. Good luck. Philafrenzy (talk) 18:30, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Hey, no negativity here, and reviewing isn't negative. Feel free to review my edits at any time. Try to improve articles. Rather than making generalized statements about deletion discussions here, please consider contributing to the discussions themselves instead. Many of your nominations were closed with the article retained after I provided sources in the discussions, which quashed the nomination from the start. Of utmost importance: I wish you well; I have no negative intentions; people should work together to improve the encyclopedia. Cheers, Northamerica1000(talk) 18:37, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Also, thanks for providing your response at Articles for deletion/Standing Sushi Bar, which I have replied to (I have this one watchlisted on my watchlist). Northamerica1000(talk) 19:11, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * (Ibid) for clarifying your stance at Articles for deletion/Caravaggio (restaurant), which I have also added an additional comment to. Northamerica1000(talk) 19:52, 14 February 2014 (UTC)


 * (ping User:Philafrenzy) Closing statement: Additionally, I have an issue with several of your false assertions above. I don't recall having ever provided a dead link in an AfD discussion, ever, whereas you state that I have provided "many" of them. You are entirely incorrect in this statement, and it's quite wrong to make false statements against other users in this manner. These types of fraudulent statements create serious doubts about your integrity here.


 * Regarding paywalled content, please read WP:PAYWALL, where it states, "Some reliable sources may not be easily accessible. For example, some online sources may require payment, while some print sources may be available only in university libraries or other offline places. Do not reject sources just because they are hard or costly to access.", and WP:GNG, where it states, "Sources do not have to be available online...". Also, I generally don't add sources with passing mentions about topics; I sometimes add sources that provide coverage beyond passing mentions.


 * Lastly, I'm well aware of WP:CORPDEPTH, and if I'm getting it so wrong, then why have many of your AfD nominations that I have contributed to been summarily closed with the article being retained?


 * Examples include:
 * Articles for deletion/Yogurt Mountain
 * Articles for deletion/MySupermarket
 * Articles for deletion/The Leith Agency
 * Articles for deletion/Cooks the Bakery
 * Articles for deletion/Millie's Cookies (2nd nomination)
 * Articles for deletion/Bleep.com


 * I feel that you need to better-orient yourself with Wikipedia's various notability guidelines and deletion policies. Furthermore, you should seriously consider performing source searching as suggested at WP:BEFORE prior to prodding or nominating articles for deletion, because it would save many users a great deal of time. Northamerica1000(talk) 13:19, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Can you list all of the ones that were deleted too for balance? What I said was "Many of the sources that you cite are dead, behind paywalls or extremely shallow routine mentions of the type almost every company has." I stand by that, but I am not saying that you cite many dead sources, merely that many of your sources seem to fall into one of those three categories, mostly the last one. It may be that the dead ones also require some sort of log in or the url cited was unique to your search on that occasion. I am happy to leave this at this point and wish you well. Thanks. Philafrenzy (talk) 18:22, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I can't support your subjective opinions about topic notability on Wikipedia. For example, your statements at Articles for deletion/Standing Sushi Bar are entirely subjective (based upon your personal opinion, rather than objective Wikipedia's standards), and are not guideline- or policy-based whatsoever regarding the topic's actual notability. While guidelines and policies are not set in stone, they have been created from long-term consensuses that have formed over the years. Feel free to continue to nominate articles for deletion, but don't expect people to take your entirely subjective notions about topic notability seriously.


 * Furthermore, I feel that you should retract your false statements above regarding my contributions to the encyclopedia; I've never added a dead link to an AfD discussion, ever. If you cannot read links on Wikipedia from your location, try using a proxy server, rather than stating 'you add dead links'. This was entirely incorrect. Northamerica1000(talk) 12:02, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I accept that you have not deliberately added dead links and that was not my suggestion. I am sure they were live to you, but they have not all been live to me. I will consider the method you suggest to avoid this. Thanks. Philafrenzy (talk) 13:08, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

User:Lhadameck/FRIMO
FYI, I refunded this article, that you'd tagged and I'd deleted, per a request at my talk page. Bearian (talk) 17:35, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
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Articles for deletion/Flight RFL111
Please can you re-open as this is not suitable for a NAC; the keep !votes do not address the policy issues.  LGA talk  edits   06:16, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
 * (ping) User:LGA ✅. The discussion has been reopened. However, some keep !votes in the discussion do quite adequately address Wikipedia guidelines (e.g. from the discussion "The poor management of the search and rescue operation had implications in many institutions (the Interior Minister Radu Stroe resigned, the head of ROMATSA was dismissed, the head of IGSU also resigned" and "Many English-language sources also support the statement that this crash has had substantial political repercussions"). This implies lasting notability beyond WP:NOTNEWS. Also, WP:NAC is an essay, and not policy. However, I digress, have removed the no consensus close, and we'll see how the discussion continues from here. Northamerica1000(talk) 06:28, 22 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Also, I've relisted the discussion at Articles for deletion/Log/2014 February 22. Northamerica1000(talk) 06:35, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

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Surprising popularity of List of edible seeds
Take a look at the Grok stats page: more than 1.5 million page views in the last 90 days! I had no idea that edible seeds were so popular. —hike395 (talk) 05:19, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Hike395: Yes, that is something. I thought the results may have been flawed, but upon reviewing month-by-month, the quantification appears to be valid. Thanks for the interesting information. Northamerica1000(talk) 06:23, 16 February 2014 (UTC)


 * That's huge!!! How can this be? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:20, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Initial review appears to verify the numbers, but errors have been known to occur with scripts that quantify page views. Hopefully the high numbers are actually accurate, which would be phenomenal. Northamerica1000(talk) 15:28, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
 * (ping) User:Hike395, User:Anna Frodesiak : Compare these 90-day results for List of culinary nuts at stats.grok.se. Nowhere near the number of page views compared to the the edible seeds article. Northamerica1000(talk) 07:12, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Something strange is happening here. Maybe it's some very popular site linking? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:35, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, the results are unlikely. Could be a server constantly pinging the List of edible seeds page constantly due to some sort of error. Northamerica1000(talk) 09:50, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Is there a way to access WP's referrer logs? I could not find any such. —hike395 (talk) 10:14, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Northamerica1000, we've been onto page visits ever since the list of sandwiches and pastries, right? These figures must be askew. Hey, google askew!!! So funny. I just found out because I thought was spelling askew wrong because it looked wrong and I never normally use that word. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:39, 17 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Somewhere in the far reaches of Wikipedia there may be a script devised by a techie that would provide HTTP referer statistics for Wikipedia pages. Statistics and logs that provide IP addresses, etc. would almost certainly be only available to Wikipedia administrators and checkusers. After briefly looking around, I've found some related pages regarding this new quest about peculiar page view stats for the page:
 * Wikipedia article traffic
 * Statistics
 * Monthly Wikimedia page hits comparison at http://wikistics.falsikon.de
 * Also, regarding "askew", this word should be renamed to "askewl" someday... Northamerica1000(talk) 12:42, 17 February 2014 (UTC) (Also, pinging) User:Hike395, User:Anna Frodesiak.
 * Hi User:Anna Frodesiak: (side note) I forgot to "google" askew. Yes, Google has some Easter eggs. It's been awhile since I've checked this out, and it was cool to revisit! Northamerica1000(talk) 04:20, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

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Hi North. An AfC reviewer I talked to said they are taking a break from AfC and suggested I ping someone else to review my submission for Brilliant Earth here. I noticed that you were actually the one that approved my Code 42 Software article, which is now GA, so I thought I would give you a ping an see if you could take a look at the Brilliant Earth submission. I think I've also seen you at AfD rescuing some of my noms, which is fantastic (it is always better for someone to repair the article than delete it, I just don't typically have the interest).

I am essentially being selfish and impatient pinging you directly, rather than waiting in the 2,500+ submission queue. Feel free to blow me off and tell me to wait my turn ;-) CorporateM (Talk) 18:22, 28 February 2014 (UTC)