User talk:Ohconfucius/archive09

AstraZeneca
Hello Ohconfucius! Thanks for removing the redundant links in AstraZeneca. I agree that the text contained too much links, but the links in the Products section were quite useful. For example, people who want to go to Esomeprazole from here will have a hard time finding the link in the next section. This quote from WP:MOSLINK seems to be relevant here:

"The purpose of links is to direct the reader to a new spot at a point where the reader is most likely to take a temporary detour due to a need for more information; this is usually on the first occurrence of the term, although the subsequent linking of an important item distant from its previous occurrence in an article may occasionally be appropriate in a table or in a subsection to which readers may jump directly, [...]" (my highlighting) --ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 10:44, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

RR
Sorry, I forgot to check back. A direct URL to the court document is here. It's a pdf, so you need to have Acrobat Reader installed. Cheers, Jayen 466 13:48, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Follow-up on previous warning about delinking dates
I invite you to have a look at this edit warring case. Edits like the one you made with your Ohconfucius account to the Jacco Eltingh, Secretary-General of the United Nations, AstraZeneca, and Baidu articles violate the previous warning and are inconsistent with the result of the edit warring case. Edits like the one you made with your Date delinker account to the Nancye Wynne Bolton article also violate the previous warning and are inconsistent with the result of the edit warring case. Continuing these kinds of edits despite the warning and the edit warring case could land you here. Tennis expert (talk) 15:14, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

You are deleting links in conflict with the style guidelines and consensus
You are using your Date delinker account to delete links in a section of an article if those links exist in an earlier section of that article. You also are deleting links in a table of an article if those links exist in an earlier section or table of that article. See, for example, your massive edits to the Billie Jean King article. Your deletions are in conflict with the relevant style guideline, which states, "A link that had last appeared much earlier in the article may be repeated, but generally not in the same section. (Table entries are an exception to this; each row of a table should be able to stand on its own.)" Your deletions also are in conflict with the overwhelming consensus for linking in tennis-related articles, which is that links should appear once in each section and once in each table. Please stop making these deletions without prior discussion. Tennis expert (talk) 10:42, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Is it a ghost, or has he really returned from the dead? Ohconfucious, threatening, bullying messages from someone who is causing so much disruption to pedal his own pet peeves should be simply ignored. Tony   (talk)  15:03, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You can see I'm quaking so much in my boots that I only managed to clean up 508 overlinked articles today, compared with 350 on 12 November. Ohconfucius (talk) 15:33, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

WP:3RR and such
Hey! Discussion here on your bot and 3RR. Cheers, Master of Puppets  Call me MoP! :D  23:11, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I have added my comments there. Ohconfucius (talk) 23:50, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Notification regarding MOS modifications
As a courtesy notice, and because this issue has cropped up at AN, ANI, 3RR/EW repeatedly, any editor that is involved in the process of date-delinking and -linking will be subject to a block by an administrator. There is a draft RFC regarding this issue, and you are encouraged to participate in the discussion. This message applies to all that have been involved with the recent discussions and reports at the noticeboards above, and this message will be repeated on the respective user talk pages. Thanks, seicer  &#x007C;  talk  &#x007C;  contribs  00:38, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I find it regrettable and lamentable - To grant what is effectively an injunction to delinking is capitulation to the loud bullies. I was just doing my bit to tidy up WP. Ohconfucius (talk) 02:45, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * As long as you don't continue disputed behaviour all is well. When the RfC is over then we'll see what goes down. Cheers, Master of Puppets  Call me MoP! :D  09:37, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Acting in extremely dubious good faith, they are disputing everything I am doing and harassing me across WP. My doing anything at all is falling into the very broad interpretation of "carrying on disputed behaviour", isn't it? ;-) Ohconfucius (talk) 09:42, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Notice
Hi, just a note that you were mentioned here. Dengero (talk) 07:48, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ohconfucius (talk) 08:31, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

The RfC on dates
Sorry, but your comment ("sabotage") is highly inappropriate. Tony completely ignores an aspect of the dispute that directly affects the RfC, then attempts to bury that information far away from the proposals, and Locke is the one who is "sabotaging" things? Come on. --Ckatz chat spy  10:39, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Makes no sense: what's your message got to do with "Is" vs. "Was"? Ohconfucius (talk) 10:47, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * After these three edits, you might also want to read Canvassing. —Locke Cole • t • c 10:50, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Wanna cry? So sue me! Ohconfucius (talk) 10:53, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Your behavior is appalling and your attitude even more so. A user conduct RFC would practically write itself. Knock it off. —Locke Cole • t • c 10:54, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You're the very last person on earth I expect a lecture from. Now, be helpful for a change - go forth and multiply. Ohconfucius (talk) 16:09, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

There is little excuse for the edit warring that you've been conducting on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (dates and numbers). Please be mindful of our policies on [{WP:EW|edit warring]], particularly the three-revert rule. If you continue to behave in this manner, you are cruising for a block. Please be careful and remember to discuss your disagreements with other editors, rather than revert warring. Best, Hi DrNick ! 17:04, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for reminding me. I am aware that I am at two reverts. ;-) Ohconfucius (talk) 17:06, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Umm, here's the "f"--I did work on this RfC, so as much as these articles can be owned, it is my RfC. And Masem is fine with it being posted now. His words from the talk page: "If people want to have this RFC go forward, all that needs to be done is to RFC-style tag it, and then pepper the announcements around. I would recommend for all fairness that both RFCs be pointed out in such announcements including the watchlist-notice (if people happen to respond to both, we can compare results and make sure there's no weird differences). I unfortunately am not going to be able to do it any time soon (read next few days), so if anyone else wants to do it, that's fine. --MASEM 13:25, 24 November 2008 (UTC)"--User:2008Olympianchitchatseemywork 08:22, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

3RR
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Note also that removing other editors comments from talk pages is considered vandalism. —Locke Cole • t • c 08:42, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Blocked
You have been blocked for a period of twenty-four hours both for engaging in an edit war and for your general uncivil attitude toward other editors venturing into personal attacks. Dealing civilly and politely with other editors, including those with whom you disagree, is a requirement, not a nicety. As to removal of comments from another editor's talk page, the editor whose talk page it is may choose to remove comments at his or her discretion, but others should leave them alone. As you have chosen to violate these policies, please take a day to consider ways to improve your behavior. If you believe this block to be in error, you may contact me by email or use the template on this page, which you may edit while blocked. Seraphimblade Talk to me 09:16, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

If you are referring to that which took place at User talk:Tony1, here is the dispensation for me to remove unwanted remarks, and that does not excuse User:Locke Cole for edit-warring himself - he was warned too, and so perhaps deserves to be blocked more than I am. There is no justification for blocking me without meting out a similar dose to him. Furthermore, I did not engage in any edit warring after receiving the WP:3RR warning from my antagonist. The two serial stalkers/trolls/talk page spammers acting in concert in a desperate attempt to derail an on-going debate at WT:MOSNUM. I am acting under extreme provocation, but have remained as cool as I can in accordance with WP:Vandalism in removing unwanted remarks in userspace. Furthermore, this block is a black mark on my otherwise unblemished record of 3 years on WP, unlike Cole, who indulges in edit warring to further his objectives. Ohconfucius (talk) 09:32, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You have been around long enough to be aware of prohibitions on edit warring without needing a response. Further, the incivility in which you have engaged merits a block regardless of any "dispensation", there is no dispensation to attack other editors. I would ask you to use the time to consider and moderate your behavior in future discussions. Seraphimblade Talk to me 09:39, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I feel this is rather trumped up. How is my behaviour "far outside the bounds of what is acceptable"? and what incivility towards him? Oh, if you mean by that calling him a troll and spammer? Very droll indeed... he's done it to me loads of times. He's better at raising a hue and cry that I am. Ohconfucius (talk) 09:51, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

In fact, Seraphimblade is in clear breach of the Admin Policy that requires proper communication before such a serious action as blocking a user. At the very least, a message to me to clarify any misunderstanding s/he had about my permission note on my talk page was necessary. Tony  (talk)  13:05, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

DD block
I've blocked DD for 24h. You were asked to stop DD'ing pending agreement William M. Connolley (talk) 13:06, 26 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Whaddaya mean? I have not been date-delinking since the block. Please check the articles in my edit history for yourself. I will gladly accept the block if you can show me one article which has had any primary/prominent dates removed by me in the last 24 hours. Ohconfucius (talk) 13:25, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * . I care nothing for the prominence. Don't weasel William M. Connolley (talk) 14:04, 26 November 2008 (UTC)


 * What can I say? I didn't think there were any at all, but said that just to cover myself. Perhaps you were 'lucky' ;-) Ohconfucius (talk) 14:08, 26 November 2008 (UTC)


 * You were also using it as a sockpuppet to evade your last block, which is also unacceptable. "Blocked" means "do not edit", not "pick a different account". Seraphimblade Talk to me 16:39, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Stop DateDelinker removing duplicate links
You have been alerted to problems with DateDelinker earlier, and I wanted to alert you to the fact that it is DAMAGING articles and removing valid information.

This change removed an intended duplicated link that connected a historic name of a group to its predecessor (described in the same article). Worse was this change, which duplicate was actually a 'see also' link earlier in the article.

I have reverted the changes to restore the articles. Please comply with the MOS and stop these arbitrary actions.

EdJogg (talk) 08:34, 28 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Link removals were done manually. I'm sorry I removed too many links. Ohconfucius (talk) 09:02, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

You are also removing links from tables in contravention of the Manual of Style concerning tables. See, for example, your Date delinker edits to the Conchita Martinez article. You should stop making these kinds of edits and fix the damage you've done already. Tennis expert (talk) 21:27, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

wikilink removal on Foster Yeoman
Hi, This morning you removed wikilinks from the Foster Yeoman article to Torr Works & Holcim and I don't understand why. The links had not been made earlier in the article & provide the reader with relevant additional information. Could you aid my editing by letting me know the rational for these edits so that I don't put them in again - if that is what any guideline says.&mdash; Rod talk 09:43, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

I should only have removed one of the links to Torr Works, so that was an error. However, Holcim was already linked in the lead, so I removed it. Sorry for the inconvenience. Ohconfucius (talk) 09:48, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Links in citations?
DD removed links to names of newspapers and publishers in footnotes in City of Derry Building Society diff. I reverted because I think the accepted style is to wikilink these sources, to make it easier for readers to research reliability. I certainly link them in (almost) all my citations.

What do you think?

--Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 14:40, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

I think that it may help in some cases to know and link to the journal article, as it would be helpful to know that The Epoch Times is published by Falun Gong devotees. I cannot remember precisely which ones I removed, but everyone knows the status of BBC, The Times, The Guardian. If a journal's opinion is cited, I would put that in the body of the article. I did not wich to interfere, but one link per journal in the reference section is adequate, IMHO. Ohconfucius (talk) 15:33, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Stop
No doubt you think that because you are not a bot you are harmless because you are just using AWB, well as a single user here who you will no doubt ignore, just stop making such pointless edits. You might think in the grand scheme of things you are helping wikipedia, well I can say that I have stopped watching over 100 articles and more for vandalism because of your obsession with date edits. This post is not for your benefit, it is just for the historical record. MickMacNee (talk) 01:16, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Hello, I hope you don't mind but I cited this diff from your talk page at a wikiquette alert for User:MickMacNee. Themfromspace (talk) 05:20, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I'll go back and look at what I done. I would like to say that I may have done some things not to your liking, this first contact fron you is a lot more hostile than I had expected. Ohconfucius (talk) 10:24, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Date delinking List of designations under the Protection of Wrecks Act
I noticed that you de-linked the dates on Protection of Wrecks Act 1973 and you obviously have some sort of tool to do this. There is an associated page List of designations under the Protection of Wrecks Act. Please could you delink this too? Thanks Viv Hamilton (talk) 09:36, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, it's a script by User:Lightmouse. Article now purged of date links. Ohconfucius (talk) 15:12, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks a bundle, and for the information on how to install and use the tool. Viv Hamilton (talk) 23:54, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I see that Mandrax has sniffed out Lazare_Ponticelli and is stirring up trouble by reverting back to the date links and autoformatting. Tony  (talk)  15:57, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * what can I say? once a dick, always a dick. That's how a hand of friendship is repaid. Ho hum... Ohconfucius (talk) 03:24, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

WP:DTR
Ouch! You've used a template to send a message to an experienced editor. Please review the essay Don't template the regulars or maybe listen to a little advice. Doesn't this feel cold, impersonal, and canned? It's meant in good humour. Best wishes. User:Pmanderson (talk) 01:20, 19 October 2017 (UTC) Septentrionalis PMAnderson 13:31, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

A question related to the date-linking stuff
Hello there. I know you have been interested in the date linking thing. I don't get why the dates were linked, either. I am sure this has been thought of before, but could all the dates have still had some kind of code/metadata around/associated with them (like, automatically converting the square brackets into something else) but just make it so that whether they appear as internal links or not can be set in user preferences? Then people who wanted them to be links could just pick, and those who didn't, wouldn't. I presume that the default would be unlinked. I thought I'd ask you first before saying this to many people and getting 1000 different responses, if you would care to indulge my curiousity.--Asdfg12345 18:15, 3 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, I'm glad you stopped by. As I understand it, date-linking as we know it is intimately related to date autoformatting (DA) - that is, the use of the same square brackets in an article (used to create links to other WP articles) around dates to render them in the format desired by readers who set their user preferences. As to this formatting, stylists argue that it is desirable for all dates within an article to have a consistent format recognised universally to English-speakers/readers, whether dd mmm yyyy or mmm dd, yyyy. As they cannot agree which format should prevail, some rules have been defined as to which articles should follow which format, but I won't go into that except to say that DA would be completely unnecessary if we could agree on which format should prevail.


 * As one would expect, you can only pull and cannot push on a string, and one major side-effect of this use is universal linking of a vast majority of articles to the articles on calendar dates or years. However, it appears to be widely accepted that few WP readers actually log in, and even fewer set up their preferences to show any given date format. While the calendar date articles have their devotees, extremely few of these articles are anything other than a collection of unrelated trivia which do little to further understanding to the article linked from. The suggested benefits are therefore theoretical, unless all these date articles were like 1345 - a very rare exception indeed. Yet, there are those who insist linking dates brings value to WP because it helps building the web; some have also suggested, for example, that date metadata should be kept to compile statistics of biographies on WP. But note that WP Project Biography have set up persondata to gather this info, but I get the impression this is moving at a snail's pace because of the large number of bios on WP.


 * The current debate raging at WT:MOSNUM appears to be developing into a consensus to get rid of date-autoformatting and to no longer link [most or all] dates in WP articles. Nevertheless, there is a very vocal minority which is vehemently opposed to the de-linking on an industrial scale needed to purge these links WP-wide. I believe they are clutching at straws with the metadata argument. For me, it is clear that what a bot or automated scripts can de-link, they can just as easily re-link if a consensus eventually develops to adopt a more intelligent way of DA. For those [few] individuals who really do want to see almanac date articles, it is assumed they can just as easily type the date into the search box to get where they want to go.


 * So, there you have my own subjective appreciation as to the issues. Hope all is well with you, and in the FG universe. Ohconfucius (talk) 06:25, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Your response is too comprehensive for me to not look at it more carefully. I've read it once and followed some of the rabbit holes, and I sort of get it; I'll have another crack soon. It seems quite a complex little situation, though I would never have guessed it from the surface. It is amazing what twists and turns seem to arise out of something as simple as a date. I am sure this question will be addressed in the excellent documentation you've referred me to, but I wonder if there were no automatic 'stuff' happening to dates, somehow, how there would be guaranteed consistency across articles? Do we have enough MOS nerds or robots trawling the place, looking for dates to make all of the same format? (i.e., whether 5th July, July 5, 5 July, July the 5th, etc.) I will read on, and hope for the answers to come forth like a fresh spring that I may drink of freely. I also hope that you have reached equilibrium.--Asdfg12345 16:44, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

AWB script
Instead of User:Lightmouse/javascript conversion/dmy, try User:Lightmouse/javascript conversion/all dates to dmy. I think the latter is better. Let me know. Lightmouse (talk) 11:10, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * the latter is the script I've been using, and the source of the minor things I reported. Ohconfucius (talk) 07:39, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

OK. Thanks. It is on my list of things to do. Lightmouse (talk) 11:42, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Freudian slip?
On your user page, I think you mean "grunge work", not "grudge work". --CliffC (talk) 12:44, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Your vandalism
Edits such as this are vandalism per WP:VAND (an official Wikipedia policy):

Future edits of the same nature will be reverted as such. Do not remove comments from other editors talk pages, you are not permitted to do this. See also WP:CIV and WP:TPG. —Locke Cole • t • c 02:07, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Cole: I have already asked Ohconfucius to oversee my talk page during the large slabs of my days that are spent with clients at the moment. I can well understand why he feels that the same, circular discourse is better removed from the equation. Please do not take offence. We could all do with a deep breath of air and a dispelling of emotion, don't you think? Tony   (talk)  08:16, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:VAND makes no provision for authorizing others to act on your behalf. More troubling, the discussion I was participating in was not in response to you but another editor. My warning still stands. —Locke Cole • t • c 10:35, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Date delinking (US WWII submarines)
Should you continue delinking date before a final decision has been made regarding the RfCs? You appear to be assuming that the current unlinked dates style will prevail. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WeeWillieWiki (talk • contribs) 18:01, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you for drawing it to my attention. I am indeed working under that assumption. I believe there is sufficient precedent for me to be delinking dates here (from September 2008) and here (from November 2008). In addition, the RfCs appear to be heading for a landslide in favour of deprecation of DA by date-linking, and the community seems prepared to endorse only very limited linking of dates going forward. I see you've been delinking too, but not on the same scale as me. If you still think I am acting prematurely with mass-delinking, let me know. Ohconfucius (talk) 02:56, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Requests for adminship/NuclearWarfare
May I suggest that casting aspersions about the behaviour, history, and conduct of editors who oppose this RFA is not very good behaviour? Stifle (talk) 11:33, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps it may seem a bit unwise, but if you have been watching and been on the receiving end of the antics of the two editors, as I have, you may feel differently. They have been pulling out the stops to harass several of us who were delinking dates, and continue to indulge in forum-shopping although Cole promised to desist in his disruptive behaviour. I certainly felt that they are venting their anger against NW out of 'revenge' for opposing them at WT:AWB, and felt dutybound to say something in that forum. Writing that NW was "unfamiliar with consensus building process and general Wikipedia policies" was sufficiently vague but extremely damning, and was in need of proper perspective. That others may feel my comments unappropriate is, well, too bad. As the saying goes "it's a lousy job,but someone's gotta do it". Ohconfucius (talk) 14:18, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Sp of Archaeological
Hi, I spotted you had fixed a typo in Salcombe Cannon Wreck - just to note that the correction should have been to Archaeological not Archeological - one of those words with normally more than one correct form, but in this case it was in the name of an organisation, so only the former is correct. I thought at first it was someone who had changed it from correct to wrong, but realized after I fixed it that it had said Archeaological Viv Hamilton (talk) 14:52, 11 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Apologies, and thanks for letting me know. Ohconfucius (talk) 14:58, 11 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Well the net effect is that it was a typo and now is right - and I like the date delinking that you're doing on the pages I watch Viv Hamilton (talk) 15:13, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Dates on Arantxa Sánchez Vicario and certain other articles
That article started as mdy, not dmy, so according to MOSNUM, it should remain as origianlly started since it is not associated with an English-speaking country that uses dmy.-- 2008 Olym pian chit chat 08:37, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I changed it since Spain is listed as being a dmy country, believing that to be the correct format. I have no issues to it being put back. Apologies for the inconvenience. Ohconfucius (talk) 09:08, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

You just made the same kind of error concerning Marion Bartoli, Arantxa Sanchez Vicario, Andrei Pavel, Alex Metreveli, and Jana Novotna with your alternate account Date delinker. You also changed Maria Bueno's middle name from "Audion" to "Audition". These incidents illustrate why the frenetic use of AWB to edit articles is often damaging to the encylopedia. Tennis expert (talk) 11:13, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I've made the same mistake before. Unless it is an English-speaking country, the date format follows whatever the article started off having.  If it is an English-speaking country, then it follow the format of that country.  It may not be intuitively what one would expect, but that is the current guideline.  Thanks.  And making that mistake has nothing to do with whether one uses a script, btw.  Good thing I have a script to use actually, because that error is made all the time by lots of editors.-- 2008 Olym pian chit chat 12:48, 12 December 2008 (UTC

Please correct the following tennis biographies where you made the same mistake: Conchita Martinez, Virginia Ruzici, Bjorn Borg, Mats Wilander, Johanna Larsson, Alberto Berasategui, Sergi Bruguera, Tomas Carbonell, Alex Corretja, Albert Costa, Carlos Costa, Juan Carlos Ferrero, Lourdes Domínguez Lino, Feliciano López, Marc López, José López-Maeso, Marta Marrero, Anabel Medina Garrigues, Albert Montañés, Arantxa Parra Santonja, Rubén Ramírez Hidalgo, Magüi Serna, Santiago Ventura Bertomeu, Flavia Pennetta, Mikael Tillström, Jonas Svensson, Åsa Svensson, Henrik Sundström, Robin Söderling, Ulf Stenlund, Hans Simonsson, Christina Sandberg, Michael Ryderstedt, Sandra Roma, Mikael Pernfors, Frans Möller, Hanna Nooni, Catarina Lindqvist, Magnus Larsson, Nicklas Kulti, Lars Jonsson, Rasmus Jonasson, Torsten Johansson, Thomas Johansson, Joachim Johansson, Anders Järryd, Henrik Holm, Ebba Hay, Magnus Gustafsson, Simon Aspelin, Edith Arnheim, Jan Apell, Märtha Adlerstråhle, Jan Gunnarsson, Thorsten Grönfors, Sigrid Fick, Sven Davidson, Margareta Cederschiöld, Kent Carlsson, and Jonas Björkman. The preceding dates from roughly November 17, 2008, and, therefore, is not an exhaustive list. Thanks. Tennis expert (talk) 06:17, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * New errors of the same type made by you: Silvija Talaja and Miloslav Mečíř. When are these errors going to stop?  And when are the older errors going to be corrected?  Tennis expert (talk) 14:08, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Notice
Your incivil behavior has been reported here. Tennis expert (talk) 10:39, 12 December 2008 (UTC)