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I posed some questions on the talk page for an article you created; List of actors by total box-office gross. Perhaps you could have a look? -  thewolfchild  06:18, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of List of actors by total box-office gross for deletion
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I'd like to thank you for your interest and new additions to this timeline. You do a good job of summarizing the info presented. I do want to ask that you cite sources for each entry, particularly for dates and specific info. This list has very few sources and it creates a real problem when entries are added without citations. Also, if you want to be committed to improving this article, please participate in Talk page discussions, since I'm going to bring some things up about this list there in which you may be interested.--KingJeff1970 (talk) 18:42, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

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Recent edit on "Timeline of the American Old West"
Thanks for your recent edit. I appreciate your work on this article, but I want to refer you to a suggestion I made about a week ago on the talk page (Talk:Timeline of the American Old West). This, of course, is just a personal suggestion from me to you, and not a WP rule or policy. However, it certainly would be helpful and make our collaboration easier if you broke your edits down to just a few entries or less per edit. I'd like to do some follow-up adjustments of some of your edit but I do not want to revert your entire edit just to change a couple things. If you made changes in small increments, even just editing one entry at a time as I'm now committed to doing, then myself and any other editors out there would have an easier time both evaluating and adjusting, or reediting, the material you alter or add. Please consider this practice; it would be helpful.--KingJeff1970 (talk) 06:42, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

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In this edit you changed nasturtium to Nasturtium. On what basis? Please note that the two are not the same kind of plant, as nasturtium (small "n") is in the genus Tropaeolum. --EncycloPetey (talk) 07:32, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

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Source for Mount Ritter being 15th highest in California?
Hi, PJsg. Do you have a source that says that Mount Ritter is the 15th highest peak in California (above 500m of prominence)? —hike395 (talk) 07:37, 17 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Hey hike395, unfortunately no, I can't seem to find a source outside of WP that specifically lists Ritter as California's 15th highest with >500 meters of prominence – my edit of the rank in the infobox was mostly made to be consistent with two internal mentions of the rank being #15. The first is from the Mount Ritter article itself, which at the time of my edit included this (unsourced) line at the end of the introduction: "Mount Ritter is the 15th highest mountain peak of California with at least 500 meters of prominence."


 * I never edited the number in this sentence – only the corresponding one in the infobox, which had previously listed the discrepant rank of #16. The reason I changed the infobox rank rather than the in-text rank was to match the second mention: the (corrected) rank as defined in List of the major 3000-meter summits of California. Indeed you will notice that this article currently lists Ritter as #16, not #15. But this table is incorrect according to its own definition, because despite the heading that reads The 46 mountain peaks of California with 3000 meters of topographic elevation and 500 meters of topographic prominence, one of the peaks listed before Ritter (Mount Agassiz, ranked #8 in this table by elevation) does not meet the 500 meters of prominence criterion (it shows 272 meters in the same table) and therefore would properly be excluded from the table, an error which apparently has been overlooked for some time. The exclusion of Mount Agassiz would make Mount Ritter #15 by elevation in this table.


 * Whether or not this article's criteria of 3000+ m elevation and 500+ m prominence should be taken as the standard for defining the "California highest major peaks" listing used in mountain infoboxes is a question on which I'm not prepared to make a ruling... I was just going for consistency with what already existed and was explicitly defined (though evidently inaccurately practiced) in other parts of WP. It may be of note that most of the other lists floating around on the web which attempt to rank California's highest natural points (such as at summitpost) do not use these criteria, and in fact are much more inclusive. — PJsg1011 (talk) 06:54, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

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Glossary of meteorology
Why remove the multiple column from this article. It looks awfull in single column. Furthermore, the use of Bold is discouraged in Wikipedia, it is only used for titles. This is not a good formatting. Pierre cb (talk) 12:57, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

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Glossary of motion picture terms
Could you please do a major overhaul of the glossary of motion picture terms? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.77.194.191 (talk) 13:22, 10 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Sure. Looks like it needs it! — PJsg1011 (talk) 01:47, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you on behalf of all the film students out there! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.77.194.47 (talk) 13:10, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

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I really hope you might expand on the rest of the series as you did with The Winter King. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 12:03, 15 February 2019 (UTC)


 * @SNAAAAKE!!, I appreciate the compliment, though I scarcely did much to improve The Winter King article; most of it was already very thorough and well-written. I really just wanted to add some info about reviews and reception. I'll plan to expand on the other novels' articles once I read them! Very much looking forward to Enemy of God, because I really liked the first one! Cornwell's certainly got me intrigued about the fates of Arthur, Ceinwyn, and Nimue, and about how Derfel lost his hand. – PJsg1011 (talk) 17:32, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Cool. Btw I think publishing should be updated for digital editions (including audioobooks). SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 18:24, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

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 * @LearnMore: Wow, thanks for the award and the compliment! The glossaries are some of the most useful yet underappreciated articles on Wikipedia. I believe their style and formatting makes all the difference, and I hope to continue to improve the many others that still need cleanup. Would love to have your feedback/suggestions for future edits. Thanks again! – PJsg1011 (talk) 15:35, 25 February 2019 (UTC)


 * @PJsg1011 You are very welcome. I agree with you about the style and formatting. You have incredible writing talent. Your brilliant work on the glossaries, especially the overhauls, have made them much better. My only suggestion is that you just keep doing what you are doing.  Thanks again for all the hard work! LearnMore (talk) 20:33, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

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Hi, appreciate the work you are doing. FYI any definition without a source will get deleted! -- Green  C  13:30, 23 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Hey, thanks! I'm aware I'm missing sources for a few of the new definitions I added, and I'm working on it. Also I apologize for the confusion regarding my most recent edit to the glossary... I should've clarified in my edit summary that the bulk of the large deletion was a result of removing the duplicate list of terms that had been formatted in invisible markup. I'm not sure why the list existed but I thought it was unnecessarily cluttering. The few visible terms I removed were too specific for or irrelevant to the glossary's stated purpose and context, or so I reasoned.


 * On a similar note, I was hoping to get another editor's opinion on the relevance of the many poetry-related terms in this glossary. It seems that poetry already has its own glossary page (though the terms there are not alphabetized or formatted as in most other glossaries and far less comprehensive than the poetry terms listed in Glossary of literary terms). Would it make sense to move all or part of the poetry terms in the latter to the former? It does not appear that there's been much discussion about this particular issue but I feel it may be worth bringing up if it might help to alleviate the latter's excessive length and/or reinforce the former's ambit of significance. Thanks for your input! – PJsg1011 (talk) 02:25, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

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 * @LearnMore: You are too kind, my friend. Most of my glossary definitions simply add subtly (though I hope more clearly) reworded versions of the introductory paragraph(s) from each term's respective article page; my progress at actually filling in definitions is very slow, and I often add as many or more new terms as I do definitions. But I am very grateful for your support!—PJsg1011 (talk) 07:28, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
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 * @RRFWTommartin: Wow, thanks so much! The DJ inscriptions are among the Southwest's greatest historical treasures.—PJsg1011 (talk) 04:40, 9 February 2020 (UTC)


 * @PJsg1011: Gosh, you are so very welcome! Yes, agreed about DJ's inscriptions and his journeys. Thank you again for all you do. RRFWTommartin (talk) 15:46, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

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Saw your edits on AI glossary. Tremendous. Are you going to work on computer science glossary? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.77.193.151 (talk) 18:03, 3 June 2020 (UTC)


 * @107.77.193.151: Yes I will make it my next glossary project.—PJsg1011 (talk) 16:09, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'm studying engineering.  Glossaries are helpful.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.77.195.210 (talk) 15:42, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * @107.77.193.151: Okay, I've done the basic overhaul, giving Glossary of computer science the same basic formatting that is used in Glossary of artificial intelligence, but there is still much work to be done. I'll continue to make minor grammar and style corrections from time to time, but I know next to nothing about computer science from a technical perspective, and so it would be great to have the input of an active student of the discipline like yourself in filling in some of the missing definitions and/or updating/verifying the existing ones. Personally, I've found that writing definitions for Wikipedia glossaries is one of the easiest ways to learn and become familiar with the technical terminology of a discipline, as well as an excellent study aid. If you're the same way, you might stand to benefit from involvement in this glossary's continued maintenance as much as the rest of Wikipedia. It would be great to have your help. The "S" section is in particular need of attention, and there are many computer programming terms scattered throughout (handler, invariant, node, pointer, etc.) which are currently undefined.—PJsg1011 (talk) 08:00, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for all that you did. It was kind of you.  You seem very wise.  You would make a great professor!  Writing is not my strength.  It would be too stressful to write definitions.  Thanks again!

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Strängnäs stone
User:Berig and User:PJsg1011, apologies if this is a silly question, hence I am asking here. I am wondering whether the article title should be "Södermanland Runic Inscription Fv2011;307"? The sv Wikipedia title is "Södermanlands runinskrifter Fv2011;307".

Lista över runinskrifter i Strängnäs kommun lists seven runestones around Strängnäs church and a Google books search for the Swedish equivalent of Strängnäs stone, Strängnässtenen, brings up various results starting with Fornvännen Volume 97 2002, Page 90, which mentions "Strängnässtenen Sö 279".

Gustavsson & Swantesson 2011 does have a section on "Strängnässtenen", but the illustration is captioned "Runstenen från Klostergatan 4, Strängnäs" in contrast to the illustrations of the second stone, "Skramlestenen" and the third stone "Fragment F374 från Tomteboda". TSventon (talk) 19:55, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * There are many stones that could be called "the Strängnäs stone", but the others are not as notable.--Berig (talk) 20:21, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with Berig. This particular stone is referred to as "the" Strängnäs stone, and not by a more unique title, simply by virtue of its being the first to become notable enough in the English-speaking world to have a page created for it on the English Wikipedia. Different-language Wikipedias may, and often do, identify the same objects with different names; there is no need for all article titles across all languages to have translations of identical specificity. The fact that in the Swedish literature there exists a more unique and descriptive artifact identifier to distinguish this particular Strängnäs stone from other stones discovered on Strängnäs is still valuable information, however. It may be helpful to add to the English-language article.—PJsg1011 (talk) 22:15, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

User:Berig and User:PJsg1011, thanks both. TSventon (talk) 23:44, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

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Hi PJsg1011, I noticed you have been creating redirects for year articles and wanted to leave you a quick note about double redirects. Rather than creating a redirect that points to another redirect, I'd encourage you to redirect to the decade article and use the R avoided double redirect template. This will avoid someone having to do edits like this years later. Thanks. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 00:42, 20 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi Lord Bolingbroke, yeah I figured a lot of these redirects would end up being doubles, since about 2 in 10 of the individual years do not yet have individual articles, and hence they themselves redirect to the corresponding decade article. I intend to go back at some point and create individual-year articles for the ones that are missing, to avoid the double redirect problem.


 * On a related note, I'm actually not sure whether any of these edits regarding individual-year redirects are appropriate at all, given the policy I've recently discovered at WP:Timeline standards:


 * "Articles for the year 500 BC and earlier should be redirected to the relevant decade. Articles for the year 1700 BC and earlier should be redirected to the relevant century. Articles for the year 4000 BC and earlier should be redirected to the relevant millennium."


 * This page is ancient, however (2002), and clearly hasn't been updated much more recently; nor does the above prescription for individual year articles seem to be anything more official than one editor's suggestion, and the existence of numerous non-redirect articles for individual years prior to 500 BC suggests that it has scarcely, if ever, been heeded as an official or consensus standard. I assume that the page was written in an era when WP did not yet have many articles representing individual years, and that this policy was simply put in place as a guideline to stem an expected abundance of red links in the early days of editing.


 * Now that many (not all) formerly non-existent articles for individual years have been created, it seems to me there is little point in continuing to adhere to this guideline, i.e. continuing to redirect to the decade articles when perfectly good individual-year articles exist (in most cases). But I don't want to controvert an existing standard if it is still considered valid somewhere on WP (where that would be, I haven't been able to find). I sort of just figured I'd WP:BE BOLD with changing the redirects to target the individual-year articles until someone told me otherwise. What do you think? Just hoping to get another opinion.—PJsg1011 (talk) 04:00, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi again PJsg1011. I'm very late in replying, but here are my thoughts if you're still interested. I don't have a strong opinion on whether we should have individual articles on years before 500 BC. However, as you pointed out, many articles for earlier years have existed for some time without controversy, and you could take this as the de facto consensus per WP:SILENT. In any case, I definitely agree with you retargeting redirects to individual year articles when they have already been created. It would not be difficult to clean up these redirects en masse if consensus develops in the future to not have articles for years prior to 500 BC. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 03:08, 27 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks Lord Bolingbroke. Always nice to have a veteran editor's input. I'll continue to retarget redirects where individual year articles already exist, but I've decided not to personally pursue the creation of any new individual year articles before 500 BC (contrary to my original intention), out of halfway deference to the previously mentioned guideline. I expect some new guideline will eventually be drawn up that pushes back the cutoff point, maybe to 750 BC or 1000 BC, since a lot of those years already have unique articles. Though any cutoff would be arbitrary, there obviously does need to be one, lest we begin to see more or less meaningless articles for individual years predating human history.—PJsg1011 (talk) 06:19, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

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Please reformat glossary of aerospace engineering and glossary of civil engineering like you did for computer science if you have time. Thanks.
 * Also, if you have time, please reformat glossary of structural engineering, glossary of civil engineering, glossary of mechanical engineering, and glossary of medicine. Makes them easier to read on smartphones for study groups.  Sorry to impose.  Only if you have time.  Thanks.
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Thank you very much for improving the article!

Of course. You are very welcome. It probably still needs some attention from someone with more knowledge of the subject than I have.

I will look into the glossaries as soon as I can find the time, but I expect it may be a while before I get to them. PJsg1011 (talk) 05:18, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for all that you have done. We all appreciate it!

We all want to thank you for your extensive reformatting and editing of the civil engineering glossary! Much appreciated! 107.77.194.5 (talk) 11:39, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes. Thank you very much from all! 166.216.159.51 (talk) 17:42, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

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Excellent edits on the wonders of the World article - the rewrite of the intro to those weird "middle ages" lists is quite good. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 13:35, 21 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I didn't add much. But I too was confused when I first read the section about the Middle Ages lists. Thought it could at least use some copy editing. Probably needs a bit more.—PJsg1011 (talk) 06:54, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

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On 8 January 2021 you changed the article William Chester Minor to state that "he was committed to a London psychiatric hospital from 1872 to 1910". What is your evidence for this, please? On the face of it, and without any further research on my part, it conflicts with the statement later in the article about Broadmoor. If this was just a slip of the pen, so to speak, could you please fix it? --PeterR2 (talk) 12:50, 30 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi PeterR2, thanks for reaching out. Yes, I edited that sentence, but only in an effort to improve its language and style so that it would read more smoothly; I did not significantly change its content, and none of the ideas contained within it are my original contributions.


 * The original sentence, immediately prior to my edits, was "He was held in a psychiatric hospital in England from 1872 to 1910 after, haunted by paranoia, he shot a man who he believed had broken into his room." I merely changed the order of the words to make the sentence clearer: "Affected by paranoid delusions, he was committed to a London psychiatric hospital from 1872 to 1910 after he shot a man whom he believed had broken into his room." I did not change the numbers of the years or any other content that drastically changed the meaning of the sentence. Because my only contributions were to the stylistic rather than the informational content, I did not take the extra steps to cite any source or make any reference that might provide evidence for the information (though perhaps I should have anyway). If this sentence demands the citation of a reliable source, the charge of failing to provide one arguably rests most heavily upon the editor who originally put the information on this page.


 * Even so, I'm not sure which part of the sentence in particular you believe conflicts with later statements in the article – as far as I can tell, both the version of the page that existed prior to my edits and the current version of the page appear to contain exactly the same information, presented in more or less exactly the same way, and none of it appears to obviously contradict any of the information contained in the clause "he was committed to a London psychiatric hospital from 1872 to 1910".


 * Indeed, the rest of the article seems to affirm that Minor fatally shot a man in 1872 and, after he was found not guilty at trial, was incarcerated at Broadmoor; it does not explicitly say that the trial verdict and the incarceration occurred in 1872, but this is an easy assumption to make, and I don't believe that not explicitly saying it constitutes a conflict with the sentence I edited in the introduction. The article does specifically mention that "Minor was released in 1910", though it doesn't explicitly say from where; again, it is logical to assume that the clause is referring to Broadmoor, since he is not mentioned as being incarcerated anywhere else during the period from 1872 to 1910. To me, none of this seems to conflict with anything else written in the article at all.—PJsg1011 (talk) 04:03, 31 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Sorry, my point is that Broadmoor is not in London; maybe someone today might be forgiven for thinking so in terms of the size of the present greater metropolitan urban sprawl, but even now it is still well outside even the current boundaries of the area of continuous urbanisation, and over 100 years ago would by no stretch of the imagination have been considered London. Funnily enough until Saturday when I was first surprised/confused by the sentence, I thought that Broadmoor was much further away from London (I had no idea of its actual location despite being English and in my 50s). Nevertheless to use the adjective "London" is definitely wrong, if it is Broadmoor that is meant. --PeterR2 (talk) 08:51, 1 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Ah I see. Having lived my entire life in the United States, I had no idea that Broadmoor was not in London. Good eye in catching that! And I now realize that my edit of the sentence did, in that sense, somewhat change the sentence's meaning, by virtue of changing the original "a psychiatric hospital in England" to "a London psychiatric hospital". I must've concluded at some point during the editing process that describing Broadmoor as a London psychiatric hospital was an acceptable and more specific way of writing the sentence; I didn't even realize at the time that that was incorrect! Sorry about that!


 * Please, by all means, I encourage you to edit the page to change "London" to a more descriptive and accurate placename, or to remove "London" altogether, or whatever other change you feel is necessary to ensure that the page delivers the most accurate information. My Wikipedia philosophy is that the accuracy and usefulness of edits must surpass all other considerations; if an edit I've made is inaccurate, I'm very glad to see it corrected.—PJsg1011 (talk) 03:28, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

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 * @2600:387:0:80D:0:0:0:67 Very glad to hear you find them helpful.

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Back in August 2021 you edited List of board games putting some of the games in italics, but not all of them. What is the significance of the italics? What is the difference between a game in italics and a game not in italics? J I P &#124; Talk 14:01, 11 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi J I P, great question – I'm still trying to figure that out myself. I believe my original thinking was that all of the games should be in italics, since they might be considered proper names or titles for works of art, akin to the titles of books and films and video games, which with few exceptions are always formatted in italics on wp (there is a WP:MOS provision about this somewhere). But shortly after starting to re-format the list, I realized that many of the list items are games with more or less generic names, e.g. chess and checkers and nine men's morris – names which (to my knowledge) are not copyrighted or trademarked, and therefore are not "proper" names in the same way that Monopoly and Stratego and Catan are. I then decided I'd just re-format any names that did not match the formatting used in the game's individual article (e.g. Qwirkle is italicized in both the article title and the first sentence of its article, so it is also italicized in the list article; Reversi is not italicized in its article, so it is similarly left unitalicized in the list article).


 * But this, too, proved problematic, because it appears there is no universal rhyme or reason behind applying italics to the names/titles of board games on wp; that is, even those titles which I must imagine are almost certainly copyrighted by someone are not necessarily italicized in their own articles – an example is Connect Four, which is unitalicized in both its own article and the list article, despite the fact that it was first published in 1974 and appears to be a trademark of Milton Bradley/Hasbro. Another example is Skip-Bo (unitalicized in both places), which would seem to meet the italics criteria given that it is a 1967 commercial version of the older game Spite and Malice, itself a descendant of Crapette. One might argue that the latter two are more or less generic, "traditional" names, like chess or Go, not owned or patented by anyone, and so should not be italicized; but even in its own article, the last sentence of the introduction formats the title of the commercial variation sold by Hasbro as Spite and Malice, in italics, and also mentions that "a variation sold by Mattel is called Skip-Bo". Mad Gab is currently italicized in the list article, which seems right to me since it is a commercial game first published in 1996 by Mattel, but neither its article title nor the first sentence formats the name in italics.


 * So you see the conundrum. It is not clear what the MOS rules governing the formatting of proper names of board games are, if there are any; the only thing that is clear is that those rules are not as all-encompassing and easy-to-reconcile as the rules used for proper names of books and films and video games and paintings. I think I eventually just gave up being so picky about formatting the list according to some hard-and-fast distinction. Personally, I think the "copyright/patent/trademark criterion" is a convenient place to draw the line, since it basically asks the question "Is someone making money from having named this?" If they are, the name should be in italics. Simple as that. But I can't say whether that criterion is universally suitable for board/card games, or whether it should work the same way as it does for other artistic works. Hope this explanation helps!—PJsg1011 (talk) 17:58, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

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