User talk:Paul 012/Archive 7

Faculty of Dentistry, Mahidol University
Nominated, altho it seems a waste of time. Nothing in the article suggests notability.TheLongTone (talk) 15:52, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Triam Udom Suksa School edits
1. Did you really change the history of the school back to text that is demonstrably false? The school was not invaded. Thailand itself was only invaded for something on the order of six hours. The text you favour makes it sound like the school was a victim of Japanese aggression whereas in reality it was part of an elite Thai society that collaborated with the Axis. 2. I am aware of the percent guidelines. Note that it is not prescriptive and leaves the door wide open for use of the percent sign. I would not have bothered changing except that in this article "percent" and "per cent" are both used. Use of the percent sign in WP has been the subject of lively debate (spell out or symbol; space or no space; use with real numbers <10. The change I made is perfectly logical and you are being pedantic in my opinion. Seligne (talk) 13:55, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * The first point would be better suited to the article talk page. I'll reply there. I take note of your second point. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:06, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

The Anomebot2 and blank lines preceding stub templates
Hi. I've fixed my bot, and as far as I can tell, it is now correctly preserving whitespace. I'm running the bot again today. -- The Anome (talk) 13:22, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

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Phuket City
Hi, I've seen you active on Thailand related pages. I'd appreciate it if you had any thoughts on the section I created on Talk:Phuket_City, I want to make sure I have my facts right there and I'm not too sure what to do. Apples&#38;Manzanas (talk) 10:24, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Email
Hi, I just noticed that you sent me an email. I currently have problems accessing the email associated with my Wikipedia account, could you please send it [mailto:drtony555@gmail.com here] instead? Thank you. — Tony Patt (talk • contribs) 03:36, 26 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Actually, I'll just mention it here (email was probably unnecessary, on second thought). IWeeBoo is obviously a sock, and I've filed an SPI at Sockpuppet investigations/Albertpda. Best not to waste any more time with them. --Paul_012 (talk) 03:45, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Thai language name
Hi Paul, thanks for your contributions. Please add Thai language names for following articles: Thanks. Störm  (talk)  07:02, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Chada Thaiseth
 * Napapa Tantrakul


 * Done. --Paul_012 (talk) 07:55, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Bad Genius
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Your GA nomination of Bad Genius
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Oof

 * I nominated Rattanakosin Kingdom (1932–1939) for deletion. Please help. --Sodacan (talk) 11:47, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Prasad
Hi, I've just closed Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2020_April_9. While occasionally pages may get moved as a result of an RfD discussion, page moves aren't proposed at WP:RFD (as the text at the top of that page indicates). I'm inclined to agree with your proposal, but it's not a clear-cut case at all, and I can easily see reasonable objections; this involves a major article as a long-established primary topic. The way forward is to start an WP:RM discussion at Talk:Prasad (disambiguation). Thanks! – Uanfala (talk) 12:56, 9 April 2020 (UTC) – Uanfala (talk) 12:56, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'm not sure moving would be a good idea – prasad is a fairly common concept; the word appears in the names of people but I don't think it's common for them to be referred to as just "Prasad", and the two films are pretty obscure and both are named after the concept. Still, you're absolutely welcome to start an RM. – Uanfala (talk) 13:03, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Uanfala, my view is that the primary issue is what the proper target of Prasad should be, which is a question best suited for RfD. My suggestion was by no means the only option, and discussion could have alternatively resulted in re-targeting to Prasad (name), for example. A requested move discussion would not lend itself to such an outcome being considered, and is not optimal. If the RfD discussion resulted in re-targeting to the disambiguation page, the follow-up page swap would be a technical move that didn't need further discussion, so the page move aspect is much less relevant than that concerning the nature of redirects. --Paul_012 (talk) 19:01, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * The RfD discussion couldn't have resulted in retargeting to the dab page because of WP:MALPLACED and it couldn't have resulted in the dab page getting moved over the primary title because that's a matter for RM. RfD and RM are different venues with different remits, with different sets of participants and different standards. Similarly, the discussion couldn't have resulted in retargeting to Prasad (name) for similar reasons because this would entail the name article getting moved over the redirect. Again, pages may occasionally get moved as a result of an RfD, but not for cases involving long-standing primary topics. If you're interested in brainstorming ideas about what to do with the redirect, you're free to start another RfD, but if at the end there's support for a page move over the redirect, this will still have to go through an RM. – Uanfala (talk) 20:04, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Of course, you're also free to ask for a second opinion from any administrator you trust who's active at RfD. If they disagree with me, I'd be happy to re-open the existing discussion. – Uanfala (talk) 20:14, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I've asked at the RfD talk page. --Paul_012 (talk) 20:58, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Bad Genius
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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Thai female Muay Thai practitioners


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Thai names in space
Sorry for bothering you, I was thinking to ask you if you can find some newspaper article that lists Thai names in space, like for example a list with Martian craters with Thai names - or a list with asteroids etc. Such link would be a nice addition to the article Thai names in space. I don't know Thai language, that's why I'm asking you. Avram25 (talk) 13:28, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * The three sources I added (Siamrath, Thai Astronomical Society, IOAA 2017 Newsletter) were pretty much all that I could find that cover the topic as a whole. Quite a few other news sources do exist, but they mostly cover just the individual namings. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:07, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Black-crested Bulbul
Hi Paul: I'm going through this week's additions to the WP:BIRDS cleanup list, and see that you've tagged the black-crested bulbul article for clarification here. Can I just ask what in particular you're confused about, so that I can try to make it clearer in the article? I see you've also changed "south-eastern" to "eastern", which isn't what the supplied reference says. Do you have a ref for your change? MeegsC (talk) 16:52, 27 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I had been removing "southeastern Thailand" from articles, as it isn't a recognised region of Thailand by any of the major systems of general usage, and is ambiguous, as it could refer either to Eastern Thailand or the eastern coast of Southern Thailand. From what I've seen, It appears to be a dated term for Eastern Thailand, though it does crop up now and then, mainly in geology and, as you have observed, biogeography. I've replaced the term where it's clear from context that eastern Thailand was meant. In this case, Eastern Thailand is between Central Thailand and Indochina (presumably in the sense of French Indochina, since the Indochinese bioregion includes the entirety of Thailand and wouldn't be mentioned separately if it was the intended meaning), so seemed likely to be the intended meaning. "Islands off south-eastern Thailand", however, wasn't clear enough for me to make an inference. That said, if it's demonstrable that "southeastern Thailand" is actually a current term of art in the specific fields and not archaic terms borrowed from old references, I'd be happy to undo the changes and find a different solution. Maybe Southeastern Thailand (geology) and Southeastern Thailand (biogeography) could be created as redirects in that case. --Paul_012 (talk) 18:54, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Category:Saar people in sports has been nominated for merging
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Thailand article from Russian wikipedia
Hi , Are you Thai nationality? Do you know that you called all Thais as primates in the Russian article. Hope, this was just a google translate error and please don't translate from Thai to Russian through any programs, as it looks very strange. Pescov (talk) 06:25, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Pescov, I have no idea what you're talking about, as I have never edited the Russian Wikipedia. --Paul_012 (talk) 06:55, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh sorry, this is about user Judge761 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Judge761), his last edits were on your user page and I accidentally went to your page. My apologies Pescov (talk) 07:08, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Beating corpse with a chair, 6 October 1976.jpg
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Re: Pita Limjaroenrat
Hi! I just started an article about Pita Limjaroenrat. Can you double check if I have not missed or placed incorrect information. I was actually basing Thairath earlier about his year of birth which said "1981" but had to change it to "1980" as stated in the Thai Parliament HRIS. Other than that, I was basing it with the English-text articles. Thanks! — Emperork (talk) 09:23, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Emperork, I've made a few minor fixes—parsing Thai syllables can be a bit tricky with some consonant clusters and vowels. By the way, Lots of thanks for your interest in the area. There aren't many editors working on Thai politics (it's a subject I don't quite have quite have the energy to tackle myself), so every contribution is appreciated. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:12, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * No worries. I work actually more on the Philippine politics side but should there be sufficient English materials that I can use, I’ll try my best to maybe add some more contributions on this field. – Emperork (talk) 11:56, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Robinson Lifestyle Center
I note your de-prod of Robinson Lifestyle Center with an edit summary of "..De-PROD; a claim doubting the existence of an established mall chain that turns up plenty Google results is a dubious claim "

The case for the PROD was actually  "no evidence of any notability or even its existence.  There are a number of individual Malls under this corporate umbrella who do have Wikipedia articles, but this rather woolly statement supported only by two dead-links and  not edited since 2018 fails any test of notability. Fails WP:GNG

The PROD didn't doubt its existence and was more a commentary on the fact that both refs were dead-links. It also acknowledged that a number of articles about malls under its corporate name exist, but this corporate entity is much more difficult to source or locate in google searches and the refs provided clearly do not establish notability. My searches always returned results about the malls, now about the corporate entity.

The searches suggest that this is just a marketing concept under which the malls are aggregated, but which has no physical existence in the real world. Regards  Velella  Velella Talk 16:39, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Suparatana Bencharongkul nominated for deletion again

 * In the previous AFD you found sources. Forbes I recognize, but are the other two reliable sources?  Articles for deletion/Suparatana Bencharongkul (2nd nomination) is the current AFD, arguments there over which sources count towards notability.   D r e a m Focus  01:18, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Talk on Thai–Laotian Border War Comment
Could you please explain why you removed a valid query regards stats from the talk page of the Laotian Border War under a misleading WP:ES ? Thank you. I know you're an experienced Wikipedian, but that's something experienced Wikipedians should not do. I'm sure there's a good reason for the removal, or an error. Thanks for the response in advance. Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:17, 16 June 2020 (UTC) [EDIT] (Face palm) Apologies, I see that stats have been removed from the body. Nevertheless, your edit summary confused me. Sorry about being a pedant, but that's my nature. Happy editing! Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:29, 16 June 2020 (UTC)


 * I think you misread the diff page. I didn't remove any query; I simply fixed the section header formatting and moved it to the bottom of the page, below the page header templates. --Paul_012 (talk) 07:18, 16 June 2020 (UT
 * Yes, Paul 012, I realised what had happened, and why I struck through my query. My bad, and apologies again! Iryna Harpy (talk) 07:38, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Cremation volume
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

New poll
I added the new poll on the Next Thai general election article but I'm not sure how to combine it with the previous poll due to a new party and new party heads. Feel free to change the layout. Thanks! — Emperork (talk) 04:56, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

MRT
It would be sincerely appreciated if you could kindly please refrain from redirecting and changing the MRT article titles. All of these projects are implemented under the authority of the MRTA and commonly known as 'MRT lines'. (eg. the MRTA refers to the Blue & Purple lines as MRT Blue and MRT Purple not MRTA Blue Line nor MRTA Purple Line. This is the same for the MRT Orange Line, as the MRTA refers to it as the MRT Orange line as you can see here, and here. The MRT Orange line title will remain regardless of the private concessionaire agreement granted to manage and operate the line.

These redirection & changes are similar to 2 years ago when you didn't accept that both the MRT Yellow and MRT Pink lines were MRTA projects, and even insisted that it was not the case contrary to all evidence presented to you. As you can clearly see, the MRTA still refers to them as MRT Yellow & MRT Pink, here too. The changes that you have made for the Orange & Brown lines without any consultation only result in inconsistent article titles and make it confusing for readers. Current MRTA related article titles are; MRT Blue Line, MRT Purple Line, MRT (Bangkok) and now we have MRTA Orange Line and MRTA Brown line after your changes. The article titles should be consistent. Preferably, please revert to MRT. However, if you do feel a compelling need to change the titles to MRTA and thus be inconsistent with bot the official MRTA names and common usage, at least ensure that all titles are consistent to avoid confusion. It is rather frustrating that you make these changes without consulting members who make regular contributions to, and in some cases have created, these articles. Thank you Yappofloyd (talk) 14:33, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Category:Sai Mai District has been nominated for deletion
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Keep it to yourself
Stop insulting others as if you know everything. I know policies more than you do. Remind your Karen first that Talk pages are not her own and she has no rights to remove others' comments. Sherwilliam (talk) 21:07, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Thai typography
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:01, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for this article. —  AjaxSmack  20:49, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Abolition of slavery in Thailand
Thanks for your edit. FYI, I agree that the draft sucked, but the original author left >6 mos ago, meaning that the draft likely would have been G13 deleted before long. (I thought it was better than nothing and could be improved in mainspace.) Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:25, 17 September 2020 (UTC)


 * No problem. I was going to wait and see if they would continue editing and forgot about it. By the way, Calliopejen1, what I usually do for Thai-language citations is enter the entire name in the author field. I think this is better since it avoids the semantic confusion as to which name is actually which. --Paul_012 (talk) 20:06, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. I actually just asked about this at Help talk:Citation Style 1 and they had some helpful advice about using author-mask= and why that is a good idea. You might want to have a look. I don't read Thai (other than being able to sound out some food words, basically) so the advice is probably more relevant for you than me! I made an edit to the abolition article in keeping with their advice. Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:12, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks for the pointer! --Paul_012 (talk) 20:18, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Template:I Can See Your Voice Thailand
Good day and hello, fellow editor. I sought you've edited this template by "mistake". Did you remember know that these list of musical superstars that sorted by episode appearance? These were guest artists in the Thai version of I Can See Your Voice, not "participants", because "participants" are comprised of "ordinary individual or group of people" playing on this game (i.e. mystery singers a.k.a. SEE-cret songers). Makoy Canlas (talk) 11:43, 18 September 2020 (UTC)


 * That is irrelevant. They don't belong in a navbox either way. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:09, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Good day, fellow editor. Just now i've reverted your edit because this is an important "reference" to the list of hosts, SING-vestigators, and guest artists that has appeared on this show, i didn't see any participants (mystery singers a.k.a. SEE-cret songers). Makoy Canlas (talk) 09:36, 19 September 2020 (UTC)


 * You clearly do not understand the purpose of navigational templates. Please take the time to read WP:NAVBOX, and continue discussion at Template talk:I Can See Your Voice Thailand. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:51, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Whoops
Looks like I accidentally deleted your comment in some sort of stealth edit conflict or something. My apologies. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.5% of all FPs 19:14, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah, no worries. Thanks for letting me know. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:26, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

thanks
Thanks for the fix. Hmains (talk) 02:58, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Recommend video files
Hello, may I ask what video file extension is recommended when uploaded to Commons from Youtube? Thanks. --Horus (talk) 17:32, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I've never worked with video on Commons myself. I think you should see commons:Commons:File types. --Paul_012 (talk) 17:37, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

File:01-พระที่นั่งคูหาคฤหาสน์.jpg scheduled for POTD
Hi Paul 012,

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Goodbye, sir
I know, I don't know in language of world. I don't have quality enough for contrubitrs in Wikipedia and every Wikimedia. I stop to contrubitrs in every Wikimedia Project since now. Thank you for recommented and trusted for two tears in my life in Wikimedia.

ผมรู้ดีว่าผมไม่สามารถที่จะมีส่วนร่วมกับวิกิพีเดียและโครงการวิกิทุกโครงการได้อีกต่อไป เนื่องจากกระผมไม่มีความชำนาญทางภาษา และไม่มีประสิทธิภาพที่เพียงพอที่จะทำให้วิกิพีเดียและวิกิมิเดียทุกโครงการดีขึ้นมาได้ กระผมขอบคุณทุกคน ผู้ใช้ทุกคนทั้งวิกิพีเดียภาษาไทยก็ดี ภาษาอังกฤษก็ดี ที่ให้ความเมตตาแก่ผู้ใช้ไร้คุณภาพคนนี้มาโดยตลอด และสิ่งที่ผมทำมามันก็ไม่ได้ช่วยให้อะไรดีขึ้นเนื่องจากการใช้ machine translation แบบไร้ประสิทธิภาพของผม และในเมื่อที่กระผมไม่มีประสิทธิภาพที่เพียงพออีกแล้วกับโครงการวิกิมีเดีย กระผมจึงบอกกับท่านว่า กระผมขอยุติการมีส่วนร่วมในวิกิพีเดียทุกภาษาและทุกโครงการวิกิมีเดียตั้งแต่บัดนี้เป็นต้นไป สวัสดีครับ (ฝากบอกคุณ B20180 แอดมินวิกิพีเดียภาษาไทยที่ผมเคารพด้วย) ขอบคุณครับ--G.B.T. (Boonparit Thuanthai) (cn:Dr.Man) (talk) 08:52, 11 November 2020 (UTC)


 * เกรงว่าจะไม่สามารถรับฝากข้อความได้ครับ ยังไงคนเราต้องเรียนรู้จากความผิดพลาด ถ้าคิดดีแล้วก็ขอให้โชคดีครับ --Paul_012 (talk) 10:03, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:59, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Removal of speedy
Just wanted to let you know I removed your speedy tag on Anusith Termmee. I did a round robin switch to fix the name spelling.  Onel 5969  TT me 13:52, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Re: Putthipong Assaratanakul
About ramp modelling, it's the one where someone works/does modelling by walking through a long flat platform. I'm not sure if there's a better term for that. I got it from here: https://teen.mthai.com/app/uploads/2019/08/billkin-4.jpg. Article link is this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emperork (talk • contribs) 03:01, 8 December 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm only seeing the term used in India-based websites. It seems to be regional term (probably in the Philippines as well)? I think "modelling" is clear enough in general English usage. --Paul_012 (talk) 07:56, 8 December 2020 (UTC)


 * I checked the fashion show WP article, other terms can be "runway" or "catwalk". Maybe "runway model" would be the better term upon checking on fashion modelling. — Emperork  🐋🐰 08:04, 8 December 2020 (UTC)


 * That seems okay (though I do think "He did modelling work..." reads fine as well). --Paul_012 (talk) 12:06, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Re THNIC
Hi Paul 012 -- I responded on my talk page about this and forgot to ping you, sorry. I've restored it to draft for you to develop further: Draft:THNIC. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 03:08, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Noted, thanks. --Paul_012 (talk) 03:31, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Miss Grand


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Sigma Coatings
Hi, Thank you for reverting my edit at Sigma Coatings. But, there is already a Draft:Sigma Coatings. So, what reason we should use while putting CSD tags (in this kind of situation)? Thank you in advance. -Hatchens (talk) 12:54, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I just posted on the talk page; sorry for the delay. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:57, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Help requested
Hi: As a Thai speaker, could you help explain things to ? They've been creating BLP articles with no references. After seeing it in Category:BLP articles proposed for deletion and looking at the Thai Wikipedia article, I attempted to rescue Kat Rattikarn, which they had moved back to mainspace after it had been draftified. Seeing all the deletion notices and warnings on their talk page, I then gave them a welcome template and tried to explain that BLP articles must have references, but they just made a further small edit to it and removed AfD notices from several of their articles. Some of their edit summaries indicate that they do not understand the problem of lack of references, and I am concerned with this strange talk page edit, which you reverted, and that their only edit in the User talk namespace is this creation, which is copied from User talk:บุญพฤทธิ์ ทวนทัย. I see that editor gave you a goodbye here in November but is still editing; they appear to have better English skills. I don't suspect sockpuppetry; I suspect that ธนภัทร สุดชีแสง just doesn't understand English well enough to understand what they are being told. Could you please explain to them in Thai about the requirement to have references in BLP articles, and that they must not remove AfD notices? I think those two are urgent before someone blocks them (not to mention the editor time going to fixing and discussing). Other than that, I leave it entirely to your judgement; I may be wrong and they may simply not understand the kind of English in our rules and templates and in my message. If you can help, thank you very much. Yngvadottir (talk) 08:41, 13 January 2021 (UTC)


 * I was quite unsure how to deal with this user, given his almost identical area of editing interest to บุญพฤทธิ์ ทวนทัย. Apparently ธนภัทร has recently been blocked on thwiki as a sockmaster, so they're probably unrelated. I'll leave him a warning to heed messages, though going by past experience with similarly non-talking editors, I'm not quite convinced it's going to do any good. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:09, 13 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks very much for trying. They got a message from someone who hadn't checked th.wikipedia, recommending they try editing there, and then got blocked; they hadn't edited since before your post. We tried. Maybe when they come back they'll have read what you wrote and figured things out. Yngvadottir (talk) 04:59, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Category:ASA Architectural Conservation Award recipients has been nominated for listification
Category:ASA Architectural Conservation Award recipients has been nominated for listification. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 11:52, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Maritime Silk Road
Since the Silk Road is important economically and because of the infrastructure for these ports, I have added the now deleted sentence for the cities and ports concerned (- also because nothing was available in the article for the respective port in relation to the Silk Road). I'll try to keep the information shorter - is that okay? --Schi11 (talk) 12:03, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Schi11, I would consider adding the information only if sources specifically mention how the Silk Road is relevant to the individual city/port, and take care to place it in the proper context. It doesn't need to be mentioned in every stop on the route, only where it is significant. (Are we talking about the historical trade route or the Chinese project anyway?) --Paul_012 (talk) 12:14, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Basically, I wanted to write about the current Silk Road. Of course there are also Chinese and national investments. The sources for the Maritime Silk Road mostly cite lists of ports that are important and benefit greatly from this maritime trade. I didn't mean to add too badly to the articles - but I get the point! I will try an individual approach - is think that is okay?! Many Thanks --Schi11 (talk) 12:27, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think an individual approach would be the best way. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:41, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Miss Grand International
It seems likely that the redirect at least is appropriate (I think you opined this in the DRV to no objection?). It's bolded at the target article, so I'd guess that'd be uncontroversial ? It's sort of not obvious to me one way or the other there's any point to deleting or not deleting the rest of the history? But I can't see that anyone's asked for it to be kept, so if you think it's better it's deleted, I can do that. Wily D 14:49, 26 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes, I did mean keeping only the redirect. I asked because, before the contested G4, Miss Grand International was a redirect without previous history, and I guess the DRV probably shouldn't have changed that? Mostly procedural reasons actually. It's not a big deal to me either way. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:55, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Old Khmer
Sorry, that's what I meant to do! Wasn't watching what I typed. — kwami (talk) 22:10, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Help for Thai-English translation
Hello! Since you can speak the Thai language, I would like to ask your help in translating this Thai text into English: กับดักหัวใจของนายยิ้มหวาน. My meager attempt to translate it resulted to "Your sweet smile is a heart trap" but I don't trust my own translation since I really don't known much about Thai. Your help is greatly appreciated. Thanks and have a nice day! —Nairb.Idi9 (talk) 06:46, 1 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Your translation is quite good. More directly translated, it would be "The Heart Trap of Mr Sweet Smile". --Paul_012 (talk) 11:37, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Noted. Thank you very much! —Nairb.Idi9 (talk) 11:48, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Logo of Mahidol Wittayanusorn School.png
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DYK nomination of Bang Rak Subdistrict
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Bangkok and Kuala Lumpur aren't the sister cities of Tokyo and LA!
Bangkok and Kuala Lumpur are the members of the Asian Network of Major Cities 21, while the Japanese capital Tokyo and American city Los Angeles were added to this goddamn sister city. FromCzech who made a better source for Kuala Lumpur last month, Dubai and London became one of the sister cities in this city, however London would not signed an international agreement between Bangkok. Bangkok and Kuala Lumpur are the Commonwealth capital cities in ASEAN, both the metropolitan areas including the Bangkok Metropolitan Region and Greater Kuala Lumpur. I apologize this unsourced additions of Tokyo and Los Angeles, and who made a better source like KL! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.165.35.155 (talk) 01:57, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Bang Rak Subdistrict
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Happy Chinese New Year!


PohranicniStraze (talk) is sending a festive box of delicious candies! May the new year be happy and prosperous for you!

Wish someone good fortune by adding to your friends' talk pages.

Speedy deletion nomination of Thai royal and noble titles


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pla ra and padaek is diff also som tam and tam maak hoong
'''hey paul pls go create new page for padaek. pla ra and padaek is diff also som tam and tam maak hoong'''

Pla ra (fermented fish) is a big part of Thai cuisine. Thais, like Mon, Cambodians and Vietnamese, have a long tradition of eating fermented fish. In Isan, people traditionally make their own pla ra. And when children there are old enough to eat solid food, the first thing their parents usually feed them is freshly-steamed glutinous rice dipped in pla ra.

It is likely that pla ra was central to Thai cooking before nam pla (fish sauce). The French diplomat Simon de la Loubère, who visited Siam during the mid-Ayutthaya period, wrote about pla ra, but made no mention of nam pla. When he returned to France, he brought some pla ra with him.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/life/social-and-lifestyle/1692012/an-acquired-taste https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo2/A48403.0001.001/1:5.4?rgn=div2;view=fulltext (english Simon de la Loubère and vincent plara) https://www.silpa-mag.com/history/article_58412 (thai translate Simon de la Loubère and vincent plara) https://books.google.co.th/books?id=JEyZ4c_aFr4C&pg=PA130&dq=La+Loube%CC%80re+pla+cadi&hl=th&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjnje7Ws-7uAhXW_XMBHdc8A6QQuwUwAnoECAAQCQ#v=onepage&q=La%20Loube%CC%80re%20pla%20cadi&f=false (french translate Simon de la Loubère and vincent plara) https://dtc.ac.th/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/8.-The-Evolution-of-Cultural-Landscape-and-Built-Environment-.....by-Ploycharas-Pragattakomol.pdf#page=13 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lalalulilalia (talk • contribs) 12:51, 16 February 2021 (UTC) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HllufhiAD4M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgMaC6drSw4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPq4uMjxdks Pla Ra Song Khrueang https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK-8kCn8JWE https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/43411/plara-song-krueng (lakorn drama In popular culture) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lalalulilalia (talk • contribs) 12:58, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Green papaya salad page
i smell laotian nationalist in this page Place of origin Laos, Northeastern Thailand (Isan) Originating from ethnic Lao people The green papaya salad was adapted from an ethnic Lao

''However, earliest historical records show that by mid-1500s, the Europeans were already exploring and trading with mainland Southeast Asia reaching as far as Vientiane and Luang Prabang, Laos. Some of the more notable Europeans who had travelled as far as Vientiane and Luang Prabang or wrote extensively about their experiences were Fernão Mendes Pinto (1542–1545),[6] Diogo Veloso and Blas Ruiz (1596), Geebard van Wusthof (1641),[7] Giovanni Filippo de Marini (1642–1648),[8] Jean-Baptiste Pallegoix (1830) and Henri Mouhot (1861). By the time Jean-Baptiste Pallegoix arrived as missionary to Bangkok; the papaya and chilli peppers was already fully integrated in the Lao territory and the Southeast Asian food culture as a whole.[9][10][11][12][13] Even Henri Mouhot (15 May 1826 – 10 November 1861), the French explorer and "discoverer" of Angkor Wat, during his trip to Luang Prabang, Laos also noted that the Laotians absolutely adores chili peppers.

''According to cultural anthropologist Penny Van Esterik, during the 50s and 60s, green papaya salad was rarely known among the Central Thais and could only be found where there are small gatherings of Lao or Northeasterners:

''In the 1950s and 1960s glutinous rice, roast chicken, larb, somtam (papaya salad), and other Lao favorites were available in Bangkok only around the boxing stadium where northeastern boxers and fans gathered to eat and drink before and after boxing matches. Lao food could also be found outside construction sites in mobile food carts providing construction workers from the northeast with their regional foods and beside gas stations serving long-distance bus drivers.

''At the conclusion of the Vietnam War, between 1975 and 1995, it was estimated that approximately 200,000 Lao refugees crossed the Mekong River into Thailand. Most stayed in the refugee camps while other moved to Bangkok looking for work.

''With the opening of the Mittraphap Road and the northeastern railway connecting central Thailand to her northern provinces not only brought jobs and development to the region. It also created a gateway for one of Thailand's biggest inter-regional migration during the economic boom of the 1980s as demands for labour increased. It was estimated that between 1980-1990 approximately 1.1 million northeasterners had moved from the Northeast to central Thailand and Bangkok. This, in turn, helped popularize and create an unprecedented demand for Lao food outside of Laos and the Northeast.

''Van Esterik also noted that, "[i]n attempting to include northeastern food in a standardized national cuisine, middle-class Bangkok selected and modified the taste of a few dishes—grilled chicken, somtam, larb—by reducing the chili peppers and increasing the sugar, and ignored other dishes such as fermented fish and insects." According professor Sirijit Sunanta[20] these dishes were then represented as "Thai food" when presented to the world.''  

no proof that som tam is original in laos at all and som tam laos or tam maak hoong is different from thai. laos have been under siam for 100 of years stop claiming khao man som tam som tam som tam pu som tam pu pla ra is original in thai https://www.silpa-mag.com/culture/article_5140 "traditional recipe" https://www.sentangsedtee.com/featured/article_17702 "Papaya Salad som tam malakor It was first introduced in central Thailand, then spread to Isan. isan then swap word to tam som. laos call it tam maak hoong" https://www.facebook.com/ThaiToYou/videos/3239402739431176 (pls use google translate)

you can separate into som tam and tam maak hoong stop this nationalist bs. Lalalulilalia (talk) 18:15, 15 February 2021 (UTC)


 * I've replied at Talk:Pla ra and Talk:Green papaya salad. --Paul_012 (talk) 23:26, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Draft talk:Ryan Rodgers
Hey, thanks for catching and fixing my mistake. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 09:33, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

hey paul i need help for one last time
this section Mon festivals i already add names of festival and sources, but i can't explain it because of my broken english and i don't want to copy-paste edit. if you have enough time, sorry to trouble you. Lalalulilalia (talk) 16:29, 20 February 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm not quite up to the task right now, but I'll see what I can do, eventually. --Paul_012 (talk) 17:17, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for that. I could have sworn I rolled back my edit, but I didn't. I mistakenly relisted one. I thought the category had not been tagged, but it had been. Thanks. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:40, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks
For your consideration at the afd re the Franklin dam controversy. It's complicated, and in the end if it goes, thats no probem. Most of a possible explanation is not really viable on wiki. But thanks again for your reply at the afd. cheers JarrahTree 03:51, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * No problem and thanks for your message. I admit I do find SMALLCAT deletions a bit annoying when on the receiving end, but I try to see them as a minor matter; it means they can be re-created later after all. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:02, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Category:Russian nobles by title
Hello, Paul,

Please do not add nonexistent categories to articles or other categories unless you are willing to create categories that fit into the existing category structure on Wikipedia. Red link categories show up as errors. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 04:50, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Liz, it would have been far simpler to notify me of the missing category page before going through all those reverts, necessitating a whole lot of edits which will now have to be redone. Thanks anyway. --Paul_012 (talk) 04:52, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

papaya in ayutthaya kingdom
https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo2/A48403.0001.001/1:11.9?rgn=div2;view=fulltext  Thus the Melons of Siam are not true Melons, but the Fruit of a Tree known in the Isles of America under the name of Papayer https://www.the101.world/southern-papaya-salad/ '' ในปี ค.ศ. 1990 นาย Bernard Maloney ได้ขุดค้นโบราณสถานสระน้ำในพระราชวังสมัยกรุงศรีอยุธยาและได้พบเกสรของมะละกอเก่าแก่อยู่ในสระนั้น อาจารย์จึงสรุปว่า มะละกอน่าจะเข้ามาตั้งแต่สมัยกรุงศรีอยุธยาแล้ว http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:0uB8kLJPFFoJ:www.oocities.org/thai_archaeology/seasia/10/research11.html+&cd=1&hl=th&ct=clnk&gl=th The other interesting types are the American elements: Annona and Carica papaya. The Carica papaya pollen is present in one sample from the lower level of both cores.'' after you have enough of time, can you fix green papaya salad page? Lalalulilalia (talk) 18:35, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Francis Chit
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Lao Khao notability
i think Lao Khao deserve it own page, because of exist since ayutthaya period around 14th-15th CE https://www.silpa-mag.com/culture/article_51280 https://www.matichon.co.th/prachachuen/news_1051544 https://ryukyu1429.com/ https://okinawa-awamori.or.jp/awamori/?lang=th https://www.alcoholprofessor.com/blog-posts/blog/2017/11/27/the-spirit-of-awamori become origins of Awamori

Awamori is the treasured spirit of the ancient RYUKYU Kingdom of Japan. This small cluster of islands is now known as Okinawa, but the 600+ year old spirit continues to play an integral role in the culture. Awamori owes its existence in part to Okinawa's rich trading history; Its central location on trade routes between Japan, China, Taiwan and neighboring countries made the kingdom a vibrant melting pot of cultures and flavours. Awamori is a beautiful result of this cultural fusion. It originates from the Thai drink Lao Khao and its main ingredient, indica rice, also hails from Thailand. The Okinawans refined the distillation process and created something uniquely and beautifully representative of the Ryukyu Kingdom. Lalalulilalia (talk) 04:43, 8 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the late reply. I hardly know anything about the subject and don't feel quite comfortable writing about it yet. As I suggested at Talk:Khao tom, you could first create a draft and ask for help in polishing up the language. --Paul_012 (talk) 20:29, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * i create Draft:Lao Khao and Draft:Khao tom (porridge). I don't know much about alcohol either. Lalalulilalia (talk) 11:56, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Infobox
Yeah, sorry about that. I think infobox would be a nice summation; don't know there is a consensus beforehand. --Horus (talk) 11:20, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Alex Albon
I think I might have come off a bit annoyed about the sort for it- it wasn't anything personal, the problem for me is the guideline WP:SUR. Nevertheless, I self-reverted so that the name sorting matches the guideline like you did, as you were just applying the guidelines. And if I want to take up my issues with WP:SUR, I'll do so on a relevant talkpage, rather than clogging up Talk:Alex Albon. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:23, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Joseph2302, a relevant update: I'm now looking to have the task bot-automated, and have opened a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Categorization of people. It would be good to hear if you have concerns over the guideline before further work is done. Thanks. --Paul_012 (talk) 18:57, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

paul can you remove picture
this should be remove call someone sex worker or prostitute is wrong just by stadnding here wtf/ This file was nominated for deletion on 8 July 2020 but was kept. wow '' which they obviously are. judge by what? short skirt? short jeans? pls no https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Sex_workers_in_Pattaya.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sex_workers_in_Pattaya.jpgLalalulilalia (talk) 19:41, 13 March 2021 (UTC)


 * It was suggested in the deletion discussion that the file be renamed, but apparently was forgotten. I've adjusted the file description on Commons and tagged it for renaming. Feel free to remove inappropriate uses from the relevant Wikipedia pages. --Paul_012 (talk) 13:36, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

paul do you think Pra Ram and Pra Satrut need to be remove?
both of them is just thai version of original indian Rama and Shatrughna or maybe just rename Pra Ram to Phra Ram and Pra Satrut to Phra Satarut Lalalulilalia (talk) 12:55, 16 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Renaming would reasonable. Indeed, there doesn't seem to be enough content to warrant keeping these as separate articles. Both of them are also WP:orphans (articles not linked from any other article in Wikipedia). I'll rename the articles as you suggested, then redirect them to their respective counterparts. Editors interested in adding content specific to the Thai version can later undo the redirection if they want. --Paul_012 (talk) 13:31, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

"Panji" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Panji. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 March 19 until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. MB 22:42, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Heinz Duthel
Thank you for your work against plagiarism. Heinz Duthel's e-books are cited in several German Wikipedia articles, e.g. de:Heroin. Certes (talk) 17:14, 20 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately I know zero German. Would you happen to be familiar enough with dewiki to alert editors there of the issue? --Paul_012 (talk) 17:41, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't know my way around dewiki either but I've asked for help at its "embassy" for visitors from other wikis: de:Wikipedia Diskussion:Botschaft. Certes (talk) 18:47, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

this page Phaya Naga
i think this page need to be remove, because the page is just thai pov of indian Nāga Lalalulilalia (talk) 20:24, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

paul this is my last im done with wiki for now because of study
can you add this to Thailand page? about the name i don't see it mention at all i don't know if i can edit or not because it locked and bad english The Siameses give to themselves the Name of Tai, or Free, as the word now signifies in their Language: And thus they flatter themselves with bearing the

Name of Francs, which our Ancestors assum'd when they resolved to deliver the Gauls from the Roman Power. And those that understand the Language of Pegu, affirm that Siam in that Tongue signifies Free. 'Tis from thence perhaps that the Portugues have derived this word, having probably known the Siame∣ses by the Peguins. Nevertheless Navarete in his Historical Treatises of the King∣dom of China, chap. 1. art. 5. relates that the Name of Siam, which he writes Sian, comes from these two words Sien lo, without adding their signification, or of what Language they are; altho' it may be presumed he gives them for Chi∣nese, Meuang Tai is therefore the Siamese Name of the Kingdom of Siam (for Meuang signifies Kingdom) and this word wrote simply Muantay, is found in Vincent le Blanc, and in several Geographical Maps, as the Name of a Kingdom adjoining to Pegu: But Vincent le Blanc apprehended not that this was the King∣dom of Siam, not imagining perhaps that Siam and Tai were two different Names of the same People.

As for the City of Siam, the Siameses do call it Si-yo-thi-ya, the o of the Syl∣lable yo being closer than our Dipthong an. Sometimes also they call it Crung the-papra maha nacon: But most of these words are difficult to understand, because they are taken from this Baly Language, which I have already declared to be the learned Language of the Siameses, and which they themselves do not always perfectly understand. I have already remark'd what I know concerning the word Pra, that of Maha signifies Great. Thus in speaking of their King, they stile him Pra Maha Crassat; and the word Crassat, according to their re∣port signifies living; and because the Portugues have thought that Pra signifies God, they imagin that the Siameses called their King, The great living God. From Si-yo-thi ya, the Siamese Name of the City of Siam, Foreigners have made Judia, and Odiaa, by which it appears that Vincent le Blanc, and some other Authors, do very ill distinguish Odiaa from Siam:

In a word, the Siameses, of whom I treat, do call themselves Tai Noe,*little Si∣ams. There are others, as I was informed, altogether savage, which are called Tai yai, great Siams, and which do live in the Northern Mountains. In several Relations of these Countries, I find a Kingdom of Siammon, or Siami: but all do not agree that the People thereof are savage.

https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo2/A48403.0001.001/1:4?rgn=div1;view=fulltext (also have chinese sources but i can't find in english) https://www.facebook.com/WipakHistory/posts/3357211281008985/ https://pantip.com/topic/37451391/comment2 Lalalulilalia (talk) 20:39, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

paul why only thai history use navbox?
can we use both of them? and why don't template:history of Thailand do something like myanmar like show the dates Lalalulilalia (talk) 23:52, 24 March 2021 (UTC)


 * See the description of the problem at Template talk:History of Thailand. Side bars are a relic from very long ago, before infoboxes were in widespread use. There's often no place to accommodate them, and using them costs space that should be used for images that properly illustrate the articles. --Paul_012 (talk) 04:29, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 *  Side bars are a relic from very long ago, before infoboxes were in widespread use. -- but i like it i always using them There's often no place to accommodate them, and using them costs space that should be used for images that properly illustrate the articles -- i agreed with this but i still like sidebar it's for shortcut if i don't want to go down and want jump to other period in history. Also i like dates in it. And maybe for phone user?

Lalalulilalia (talk) 23:29, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I've replied further at the template talk page. --Paul_012 (talk) 17:39, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Help!
Hello, Paul, greetings ! As you are a main editor of Thailand Project, I would like to request a little help from you. I created the article about Thai actor Sapol Assawamunkong. I can't translate his awards list from Thai Wikipedia because I can't read Thai language. Please kindly add awards list to en-wiki article if you have a free time. Thank you. VocalIndia (talk) 08:19, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I'm not quite comfortable with adding those entries. For film articles, WP:MOSFILM notes that only awards that are themselves notable should be listed. I'm not sure if there's a specific guideline for biographies, but aside from the Cleo competition, which is already mentioned in the text, the other two wins don't seem very significant. --Paul_012 (talk) 17:39, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I see! Thanks Paul. VocalIndia (talk) 02:54, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Murder of Jenjira Ployangunsri
— Maile (talk) 12:02, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Ambassadors to China/Taiwan CFD
Hi, I just wanted you to know that the discussion about ambassadors to China/Taiwan has been closed, and the categories have been listed at WP:CFDWM for manual splitting. Thanks, Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:04, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Reason to delete a redirect
Hi. Re:. The reason to delete the redirect is so that the page can be moved to where the redirect currently is, because of the naming guidelines I linked to. DBD 10:23, 23 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'm quite familiar with using &#123;&#123;db-move&#125;&#125;, but had a temporary moment of confusion back then. Sorry about that. --Paul_012 (talk) 19:58, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * No worries; happens to us all. DBD 08:35, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Pending Changes
Hi Paul012, I don't know if any of the pages on your watchlist are currently protected by pending changes, but I think you are ready for the WP:Pending Changes userright, so I've set it on your account. Cheers and happy editing!  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  13:19, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I don't often come across pending changes-protected articles, but I'll make best use of the flag when I do. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:00, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Translation Phra Tamnak Hill
Dear Paul012, I noticed that you made changes to the Phra Tamnak Hill article, particularly the Phra Tamnak Hill translation which is the real name. Your suggested translation is not entirely correct as Pra and Tamnak do not mean palace and hill. Please note. I am a native Thai speaker. Meow2021 (talk) 07:29, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
 * My thinking is that 'palace' is the simplest translation of พระตำหนัก, and 'palace hill' for เขาพระตำหนัก. I think it's best to avoid introducing complicated translations in article openings, especially when simply providing context for place names. Detailed discussions of terminology would be more suited to, e.g., an article about the different types/terminology of palaces in Thailand. --Paul_012 (talk) 08:05, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Your thinking is understandable. How about 'Nobility place'? This would be not entirely wrong. Meow2021 (talk) 08:13, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not really convinced, though I won't argue against it. I'll copy this exchange to the article talk page, where it'll be more relevant, and might receive further input. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:45, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Viharn Sien
Hi Paul, I have no idea why you changed the page name by doing this Viharnra Sien is a very strange spelling? Viharnra Sien is the official name along with Anek Kusala Sala. Viharn Sien is widely used by Thai people and doesn't make it right. It is not correct. Please check the picture I edited yesterday and the official name of the monastery. Thanks Meow2021 (talk) 04:00, 18 May 2021 (UTC)


 * I'll reply on the article talk page. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:55, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Max Muay Thai
Thank you for your attention. Please help to remove the deletion tag and let me edit the article as well. Max Muay Thai article doesn't deserve to delete. "Kap kun krab"MMA Kid (talk) 05:15, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * MMA Kid, sorry, the article was deleted before I saw your message. You are free to re-create it, but do make sure to only include text that is entirely your own writing, and that the subject is described in a neutral, encycopedic tone. If there's content in the deleted page that you think isn't problematic, you could try asking the deleting admin Jimfbleak to partially restore it for you to work on. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:47, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Paul_012, Thank you for your sincere answer. I already asked Jimfbleak on him talk page. As a Thai user with experience, please comment on the importance of this organization and its activities. Sincerely, "Kap kun krab" MMA Kid (talk) 15:08, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Max Muay Thai has received in-depth coverage in Thai news sources such as Siam Sport, Positioning Magazine and Krungthep Turakij, which likely indicate that the subject satisfies the WP:Notability guideline. Feel free to link to my comments here if the question of notability is raised. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:41, 6 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks for message. Paul_012's advice is correct, you must write in your own words. there is nothing to stop you trying again, but for legal reasons we don't restore copyright violations. If you do try again, avoid giving promotional opinions such as Max brought the sport of Muay Thai to a higher level of entertainment unparalleled in Thai history; Someone might have said that, but it's not a verifiable fact. Also note that external links should only be their website, we don't permit social media or YouTube Jimfbleak - talk to me?  12:39, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Paul_012 I already recreate the page. I'm proud to know your opinion of an experienced Thai user. Sincerely MMA Kid (talk) 06:50, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Muay Hardcore
Paul_012 I'm glad that you're commenting on my articles and helping to raise the level of Wikipedia sports as well as promote Thai culture. If you have time, please comment on the Muay Hardcore article, and if there is a problem, fix it. I'll make the most of your experience. Sincerely MMA Kid (talk) 10:20, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comments. I'll see what I can do, but I know very little about muay thai, so it might not be much help. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:36, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for providing an excellent summary
I just have to express my opinion without giving details on the talk page. Thank you.--SilverMatsu (talk) 05:45, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Nomination of Miss Grand for deletion
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Thank you
Thanks Paul_012 for improving text and categories Mod Dam 1199 R, makes sense. Regards Meow2021 (talk) 12:35, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Request for help
User:Paul_012 Hello. recently published an article (ชินเดนไค) on the Thai Wikipedia that needs to be reviewed and edited. Please help maintain it as an experienced Thai user. Sincerely MMA Kid (talk) 07:24, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reaching out, but I don't usually edit at the Thai Wikipedia, and polishing machine translation isn't a task I'm comfortable with. The Thai Wikipedia has its version of the Requested articles page at th:วิกิพีเดีย:บทความที่ต้องการ, though I'm not sure how active it is. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:43, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

User:Paul_012 Thank you MMA Kid (talk) 15:10, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Vince325123


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"Failed attempt to move article to userspace"

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 * It doesn't really matter since the page was a redirect from bad name, but I think it'd be less confusing to revert the botched move first, then tag the page for deletion. --Paul_012 (talk) 21:26, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Tical
Hi Paul 012, was there a discussion somewhere about changing Tical from a disambiguation page to an article? Leschnei (talk) 21:03, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * No; is there a problem? --Paul_012 (talk) 21:05, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, I was surprised that a disambiguation page with 4 valid entries should suddenly disappear, especially since you have also listed Tical (disambiguation) for speedy deletion. Usually there would be a discussion first. Even if the unit of mass is the primary target (and I don't doubt that it is), it seems that the other entries should still be listed on a DAB page. I was confused, so I thought I would ask. Leschnei (talk) 21:17, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * All of the items listed on the disambiguation page (apart from the album, which is linked to in a hatnote in the new article) are topics conceptually related to the unit of weight, so it would be appropriate to briefly overview them in a WP:broad-concept article. A disambiguation page could of course be re-created at Tical (disambiguation), but since there aren't any other unrelated topics with tical in the title, I didn't think it necessary. --Paul_012 (talk) 21:26, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for the explanation. Leschnei (talk) 23:20, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Siam Electricity Company
— Maile (talk) 12:02, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Education companies of Thailand


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DYK for British Club (Bangkok)
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Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Thailand
Hello, Paul_012,

I trust you know what is going on here. There are numbered archive pages (1, 2, 3, etc.) and then archive pages by year (2010, 2011, etc.). And your CSD notices link to yet another talk page at Thailand-related topics notice board. Confusing for the admins reviewing your request. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 04:56, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks. The long explanation is that Thailand-related topics notice board already had two archive pages before WikiProject Thailand was created, but Mikhailov Kusserow (who doesn't appear to be active anymore) copied their contents into yearly archives under WikiProject Thailand, so they're redundant. I also made a few mistakes while reorganizing the archives into the "/Archives/2008" format, initially creating them as "Archive 2008", which required further CSDs, as they're bound to trip up archive-display templates. --Paul_012 (talk) 05:09, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the explanation. Looking over your talk page, you clearly are up-to-date on Thailand, plus you have a 15 year old account so I trusted your judgment. But reorganizing multiple copies of archived talk pages? That's a thankless (but necessary) task! Kudos to you. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 05:40, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Erawan Hotel
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:03, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Copying within Wikipedia
So, I have seen a bunch of messages about warnings about copying in Wikipedia. What procedures do I have to follow? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tanakorn Srichaisuphakit (talk • contribs) 07:19, 25 September 2021 (UTC)


 * If you have read the messages, I suggest you follow their instructions by going back to all the articles you edited where information was copied from elsewhere, and performing a dummy edit in each to provide proper attribution unless someone else has already done so. This includes your three edits to List of oldest continuously inhabited cities. As an example, you can state in the edit summary, " Attribution: text was copied from Chiang Saen District, Bangkok, and Sagaing on 10 August 2021. Please see the history of those pages for full attribution. " For articles like Siamese–Vietnamese War (1769–1773), where the references are broken, you should also copy the full bibliography entry for the missing references (Damrong Rajanubhab, Buyers, and So) from the source article. And please remember to always provide attribution in the edit summary when copying content in the future. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:37, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Grand Hyatt Erawan
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Amarin Plaza
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 3 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Your combined hook got 11,628 views (485 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of October 2021—nice job! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 03:16, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Bad Genius edits
Hi, I read your edit summary regarding your second reversion of my edit. The reason I had mentioned the Oxford comma inclusion when I undid your reversion was because your first reversion mentioned only the red links removal and not the comma. I accept that it was my mistake for including it when the article does not use them, as you said.

Thank you for your advice and for linking to the Manual of Style page, which states, "In general, a red link should remain in an article if it links to a title that could plausibly sustain an article, but for which there is no existing article, or article section, under any name." and "When a Wikipedian writes an article, it is common practice to link key topics pertinent to an understanding of the subject, even if those topics don't have an article on Wikipedia yet."

Here are some other relevant quotes from the Manual of Style:

"A good question to ask yourself is whether reading the article you're about to link to would help someone understand the article you are linking from." and "Overlinking in general is a style issue partly because of the undesirable effect upon readability. But if too many blue links is distracting (reducing the chance the article will be read), then a red link is even more so. The unassuming coloration of the text (probably black) is the most productive."

Some of the red links included in the article were for subjects that were not notable, or pertinent to the understanding of the article you were linking from. I removed the red links because the page has so many already, what with all the interlanguage links, which show up in red.

I also found it interesting that after you stated that I “clearly have a very poor understanding of how Wikipedia works”, you evaluated the links more carefully and removed two of the red links I had removed earlier. You may be an expert on the Manual of Style, but I suggest you read up on Civility. --23:17, 4 October 2021 (UTC)Dog Starkiller (talk)


 * Thanks for the message. The tone of that edit summary was indeed needlessly accusatory; sorry for that. I think we can agree that discussions on what red links should be included should focus on notability of the target subjects. --Paul_012 (talk) 02:31, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Muang Thong Thani
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 14 October 2021 (UTC) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 01:58, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

What a monstrosity!
I only saw it briefly before you removed it again, but wow! What an organisational structure! Iskandar323 (talk) 12:49, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I saw that you were withdrawing the AfD, so removed the comment which might have blocked CSD G7. The relationships do seem quite confusing, and it seems the creator of the article didn't really know what they were doing either. I'll leave further comments at Talk:Indorama Corporation. --Paul_012 (talk) 13:08, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Thai State Railway route map
Template:Thai State Railway route map has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:53, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

My talk page
Hello please remove the speedy deletion- this is my personal talk page here and also please delete the User talk page: User8 my brother accidently move and click the move button thank you and also look at my user name it's PICTOPICTO thanks!

 PICTO  PICTO   3:45, 8 December 2021 (UTC)


 * User:PICTOPICTO, the speedy deletion tag is a temporary measure in order to let an admin fix the accidental page move and restore the original page to the correct location. It shouldn't take more than a few hours. Also, please fix your signature—it currently points to the nonexistent User:PICTO page. --Paul_012 (talk) 07:50, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Actually on second thought, it seems better to tag this as a request for history merge, so that your talk page can still be used for communication in the mean time. I've adjusted the tag; sorry for the disruption. --Paul_012 (talk) 08:33, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * User:Paul_012, hey please review Tinted with You and Light on Me changes and also if the review is done, please remove the template or discuss it with other admin thank you.
 * PICTO  PICTO  </b> 4:39, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Done; I've removed the tags. --Paul_012 (talk) 08:46, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Edits in December to Chulabhorn
Hello Paul 012, I have the idea that the edits to the Chulabhorn article in this month, made by 2 IP users, and also a kind of repair edit by user Rodw, are resulting in a result that is not really correct. I don't feel capable to make te right changes, my English is not well enough. Can you take a look? --FredTC (talk) 10:49, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * The entire passage was a copyright violation, so I removed it. If your concern was over the incorrect linking of the word aide, the fix would have been to link it as &#91;&#91;aide|aide&#93;&#93;s instead. --Paul_012 (talk) 13:56, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Usage of Template:Official website
Thanks for your gentle note that Template:Official website should be used in the External links section while the infoboxes should use Template:URL. Could you please point me to the relevant document/discussion so that I can understand the finer detail? Because if we should use Template:URL in infoboxes so that the information is shown to readers, shouldn't the same reasoning hold for External links section as well? I am relatively new at editing and would like to gain deeper understanding of the fundamentals. Aithus (talk) 07:09, 23 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hmm. This appears to be less clearly documented than I imagined. I only found some old discussions from 2009 and 2012. While they weren't clearly consensus-establishing, many editors there seemed to agree that it's beneficial to treat URLs in infoboxes as information being presented to the reader (rather than like resource links in the External links section, which WP:MOSLINK recommends should be supplied with meaningful descriptive titles). Practically, it will depend on the local consensus for each infobox. Template:Infobox company, for example, notes in its documentation to use Template:URL, while Template:Infobox television handles the link by placing it alone on the line with a predefined link text, with the intention not to show the URL. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:37, 23 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks for taking the time to look for items that can illuminate the issue. My takeaway from this is that I will stop using Template:Official website altogether and stick with Template:URL in most cases.  Articles with complex web URLs will have to show ugly display text, however, since the optional display text parameter in Template:URL is now deprecated.  Thanks again for your help. Aithus (talk) 15:01, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Actually, not incorrect
My changes here were not mostly incorrect but it is grammar and I will not teach here. No script was used for my line edits. I will be moving on. —¿philoserf? (talk) 15:04, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * If those were indeed manual edits I would encourage you to slow down, as they included mistakes such as:
 * Changing "Rama I established the Grand Palace on the eastern bank of the Chao Phraya River" to "Rama, I established the Grand Palace on the eastern bank of the Chao Phraya River"
 * Decapitalising one word ("Built" to "built") from an entire 53-word-long name
 * Inconsistently adding Oxford commas
 * Changing "The form and artistry of the image was a clear break from the previous traditional iconography of the Buddha" to "The form and artistry of the image were a clear break from the previous traditional iconography of the Buddha", when "form and artistry" refer together to a singular concept
 * Changing "The new Phra Mondop discarded this feature, instead putting the library on top of a raised base" to "The new Phra Mondop discarded this feature, instead of putting the library on top of a raised base", completely reversing the meaning
 * Changing one instance of "coloured" to "colored", when the rest of the entire article uses the British spelling
 * Changing "these represent the white elephants important in each king's reign" to "these represent the white elephants importance in each king's reign", which was incorrect and again got the meaning completely wrong
 * Changing "The chedi have a square plan with indented corners" to "The chedi has a square plan with indented corners", when chedi here is a plural
 * Changing "the small structure was built" to "a small structure was built" when the structure in question is the subject being discussed
 * Moving an unofficial external link above the official one, which should appear first
 * I don't think that either of us needs a lesson in grammar, though more care in editing would indeed seem useful. --Paul_012 (talk) 22:31, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Samnak Nisit Sam Yan Press (January 4)
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Draft:Punchball (Sport)
Hello, Paul 012,

I saw you tagged this page for speedy deletion and thank you for that. However, you didn't post a notification on the talk page of the page creator. I saw that you used Twinkle to tag the page so please check your Twinkle Preferences and make sure that the "Notify page creator" box is checked and that you have checked off every specific criteria for speedy deletion. I think the Twinkle default is to only have a few of the CSD criteria selected but notifications should occur no matter why the page is tagged for deletion. Thank you for your contributions! Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:04, 20 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the note. It didn't seem useful as the account appeared to be a throwaway SPA, but I'll keep this in mind for the interest of transparency. --Paul_012 (talk) 01:14, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Amphoe
If you look at Category:Amphoe, you'll see that I've proposed renaming it to Category:Districts of Thailand. Join the discussion if you have an opinion one way or the other. Dicklyon (talk) 00:21, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Your Request
Hello I've done your request at RM/TR. Please fix the incoming links if necessary. Cheers -- Megan B....  It’s all coming to me till the end of time  07:24, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Yadana Gas Pipeline has been accepted
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List of defence ministers of Thailand
In your edit of List of defence ministers of Thailand on 12 February 2021, you have removed the first 11 names by reasoning that they are chancellors, not ministers, whose list is covered in List of samuhakalahom. I can see the logic in your edit, but it left 2 inconsistencies in the articles:
 * Internal inconsistency: The numbering now starts at 12.
 * External inconsistency: The same list in th-wiki retains the 11 samuhakalahom.

So I'm thinking about putting the 11 samuhakalahom back, with a prefatory note to the effect that they are not true Minister, but their Grand Chancellor position is a precursor to the Minister position due to government reform. But I prefer to check with you first before doing so. Aithus (talk) 13:17, 21 March 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm tending to disagree, simply because I think the way the Thai Wikipedia lists them is inaccurate and misleading. While the defence ministry can in some ways be seen as the spiritual successor of the office of the kalahom, the commonality is pretty much limited to their names and their use of the gajasiha seal, as the authority they held was vastly different. I'd prefer that the inconsistency be addressed internally by adjusting the numbering, and externally by splitting the list on the Thai Wikipedia as well, because it is also inconsistent with th:รัฐมนตรีว่าการกระทรวงมหาดไทยของไทย, which doesn't include the samuhanayok. I don't edit there, however, and don't really think cross-language inconsistency is a big issue. --Paul_012 (talk) 08:42, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I will leave the list as is, then, and simply tweak the "first holder" in Infobox. Aithus (talk) 09:26, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

meta:Talk:Wikimedia Thailand/Registration
FYI. I have no good way to reach Thai community within the English Wikipedia movement. Please kindly spread the word, if possible. --Taweetham (talk) 09:52, 27 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the heads-up. I'll leave a note at the WikiProject Thailand talk page. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:14, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you. :-) --Taweetham (talk) 11:16, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

"Mahachanok" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Thaiger
I'm curious how you see this site as a reliable source. Headline is misleading, role account created it, no editorial policy to be found, no information on company to be found and lots of sections appear to be for purposes of spam/advertising.Slywriter (talk) 23:34, 22 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I just didn't care enough to want to bother adding and formatting an entire new citation. Sorry for the edit summary which was rather confrontational; it just annoys me to see well-meaning established editors, especially in the course of fighting spam and fancruft, removing valid basic information which would surely be present in the article were it well developed. The date of birth of a celebrity actor is often one of the most widely published pieces of information about them, and in this case is presented in profile/interview pieces by Sanook and Thairath (page not currently working), and has been reported on by traditional news organisations such as TNN, Channel 3, MCOT, Bright TV, New TV, Daily News and Thai Post.


 * As for The Thaiger, it is an established news website, though it's better known for its English-language content. Personally I don't use their Thai stuff because better sources would usually be available, though they don't appear to be any particularly worse than the average ad-supported news site (not saying that a lot of them aren't junk though). I'm not sure what you mean by "headline is misleading", as the piece in question's directly translates as "A look at Gulf Kanawut Traipipattanapong's profile". "Information on company" is at https://thethaiger.com/contact-us . Many major news sources don't generally use bylines, so I don't see "role account" as a problem in and of itself, and while it would be nice to have editorial policy pages, that isn't the norm for Thai sources and I don't know any that do, so it's not a very useful rule to practically apply. --Paul_012 (talk) 04:46, 23 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Totally agree on birthdays. Not sure I've ever looked at the source behind a birthday unless a specific dispute cropped up.
 * On the misleading, it was actually a sub-headline or bolded statement that referred to the two co-starts hating each other but article doesn't appear to actually discuss. Though, I believe others have written on the matter, so not a fake news situation, just another red flag among others I saw.
 * Now to the real issue, which is how to do we minimize fancruft and promotional material on the article. If sources like thaiger are standard for Thai news, then it seems almost impossible to come to a judgement of what is due based on the source alone. Or alternatively, many of these sources fail the wikipedia test of what is a reliable source and should never be used in BLP. I'm not neccessarily advocating or looking for it to come to that, just trying to determine how best to define the line between encyclopedic data and marketing/fandom material, while also not frustrating well-meaning fans.
 * Also, looking through random articles on thaiger, the role account appears to be fairly rare in the entertainment and song section, so quite possible they have stopped using in recent times or its a giant flag that certain articles are just promo pieces.Slywriter (talk) 17:32, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Image
hi Paul. I wonder if you can guide me on how to put an image, and adding Gulf's Wiki with reliable sources (i hope it's reliable this time). But the wiki has been locked, is it means that we cant edit anything for the time being? and for how long is it usually?I got no idea since i am new to this. Thank you so much. Ingenuous84 (talk) 02:07, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

List of reigning monarch deaths
I want to thank you for nominating List of reigning monarch deaths for deletion. I am not sure exatly why there are only 2 entries in the 1800-1899 list. In reality we would need literally thousands there. This is a truly overly broad topic. In England/Great Britain/the United Kingdom alone there have only been maybe 3 cases in the last 1000 years where the reighing monarch was removed before death.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:02, 27 May 2022 (UTC)


 * like I said on it's talk page, what about separated by century, (i.e. List of reigning monarch deaths 1900 - 1999) is that's a good idea. also I was gradually adding stuff, that's why there's two entries on the 1800-1899 list.4me689 (talk) 18:26, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Chadchart’s inauguration date
Hi, Paul 012

About this edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bangkok&oldid=1090796521

I agree that the infobox field isn't generally expected to include starting dates.

However 22 May 2022 is not only an election date of Bangkok’s governor but also an official inauguration date of Chadchart Sittipunt because The List of Bangkok’s governor at Bangkok City Hall, BMA Headquarters, have made it clear.

Here is link to see that list: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=591827082304235&id=100044308452347

Sincerely MayThe2nd (talk) 17:46, 31 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hmm. Thanks for the explanation; I wasn't aware of the practice. --Paul_012 (talk) 07:10, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Silly me 🥴
Thanks for pointing out my silly mistake at Template:User Maguindanaon ancestry. Evidently seeing the word "user" in the page title confused me into thinking it was a userspace page. 😳 JBW (talk) 13:57, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Tagging categories for speedy deletion
Hello, Paul 012,

Categories need to be emptied before they can be deleted. Otherwise, you end up with a lot of red link categories on article pages which is a no-no according to WP:REDNO. So, as soon as you empty these categories you tagged for speedy deletion, or another editor or admin with a lot of time on their hands does, they can be deleted. Otherwise, they will probably sit in a CSD category until someone untags them. I understand there are tools that make this process easier than doing it manually, page by page, but I don't know what they are. Maybe one of the admins who patrols WP:CFD does. Thank you. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 23:42, 19 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the tip. I had assumed there was some kind of tool on the admin side, though I guess Cat-a-lot could do for uncontroversial cases. The case has been brought up at ANI, though, so I'll wait for the discussion there to run its course first. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:28, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:I-Kiribati people in sports


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Nomination for deletion of Template:WikiProject Thailand/Sortkey
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Speedy Deletion of Flags of counties of the United States
Hey I noticed you removed a speedy delete for this page. Take a look at the talk page of this article you'll note that this article was deleted on May 5, 2022 Articles_for_deletion/Flags_of_counties_of_the_United_States.  Dr vulpes  (💬 • 📝) 23:12, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, and you probably also noticed my explanation in the edit summary, "I don't see how G4 can apply to a newly created soft redirect, as it's the opposite of 'sufficiently identical copies'," and that CSD has also been declined by Liz. I suggest you take a closer look at the WP:CSD criteria, which states for WP:G4:"Recreation of a page that was deleted per a deletion discussion: This applies to sufficiently identical copies, having any title, of a page deleted via its most recent deletion discussion. It excludes pages that are not substantially identical to the deleted version, pages to which the reason for the deletion no longer applies, and content that has been moved to user space or converted to a draft for explicit improvement (but not simply to circumvent Wikipedia's deletion policy). This criterion also does not cover content undeleted via a deletion review, or that was only deleted via proposed deletion (including deletion discussions closed as 'soft delete') or speedy deletion." A soft redirect created at the title of a previously deleted article can in no way be considered substantially identical. There's a lot of blatant misuse of G4 going on, which needs to stop. --Paul_012 (talk) 04:02, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:History of Thailand since 2001
Template:History of Thailand since 2001 has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:23, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you

 * You're welcome, but I must tell you that I don't actually intend to speak on your behalf, or directly help improve the pages you've created. As for the way forward, there are a few options. You could submit the drafts through the Articles for Creation process and wait for them to be reviewed, though this might take quite some time. You could ask at the WP:Teahouse for specific suggestions on how to write articles that are more likely to be accepted. And you could make a post at WT:New pages patrol/Reviewers asking for a second opinion over the draftifications and whether they were appropriate. But you should be aware that paid promotional editing is a serious issue on Wikipedia, and many editors will expect a high level of scrutiny before they are satisfied. --Paul_012 (talk) 18:34, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Harry A. Badman & Co.
From Quotation, "Editors are advised to exercise good judgment and to remain mindful that while brief excerpts are permitted by policy, extensive quotations are forbidden." That quote was longer than the rest of the article. Paraphrase and use shorter quote. Doczilla @SUPERHEROLOGIST 08:53, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Please take a closer look before being so quick to remove material and revert next time. You should probably know that there is no policy-based restriction on incorporating material from Public Domain sources. --Paul_012 (talk) 08:55, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You have me on the copyright issue. That's correct. It's still weak writing for a quote to take up the majority of an article. Still, I see that you created the article and may feel proprietary about it. I'm not touching it again. Doczilla  @SUPERHEROLOGIST 09:08, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Of course It's preferable that the content be re-written in Wikipedia's voice base on the information. The problem to me is that with the bulk of the information coming from the dated source, it's rather tricky to place in context for the modern reader, so directly quoting was the simplest way to convey the information. Others are of course welcome to help rewrite and contextualise the text, but I do think that outright removal would be detrimental rather than constructive here. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:19, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Si Thep Historical Park
Hi, thanks for editing the WHS list. There is currently no dedicated article on the historical park, so the link is a redirect. Perhaps you could start the article? Tone 09:59, 14 August 2022 (UTC)


 * I don't have the time just now, but I'll try and see what I can do later. On another note, I'm curious of when and why the former tentative site "Phimai, its Cultural Route and the Associated Temples of Phanomroong and Muangtam" was withdrawn and replaced with "Ensemble of Phanom Rung, Muang Tam and Plai Bat Sanctuaries", but Google is failing me. Might be something to add to the list article if you can find the information. --Paul_012 (talk) 10:09, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
 * PS Apparently this is discussed in detail in a paper by Saowalux Poshyanandana, "Ensemble of Phanom Rung, Muang Tam and Plai Bat Sanctuaries and the Phimai Cultural Route: Comparative Study and Future Expectation in World Heritage Context", which has been indexed on Scilit but is returning a 404 error on the publisher's site. Not sure if it was retracted or just a technical error or what. --Paul_012 (talk) 10:19, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Sometimes they discuss tentative sites and decide that the nomination has to be updated to have more chances of succeeding. Often, UNESCO has the changes documented somewhere but it's probably quite a search :) Tone 14:13, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Hong Taechawanit
Hello Paul, I recall your major help several years back when I was drumming up an article on Si Prat. How nice for us to cross paths again and your Thai expertise continues to be invaluable! However, I wonder if clarifications like giving the official surname spelling "Tejavanija", while very helpful, would currently border on OR given that the source only provides "Taechawanit". I also wonder if you might have the time to find and include Thai sources. Thank you once again, the article is looking much nicer since you gave it your magic touch :) Kingoflettuce (talk) 12:10, 8 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I find the fact that there's a Bangkok temple dedicated to him particularly interesting, though there isn't much on that in the English sources I can find Kingoflettuce (talk) 12:16, 8 September 2022 (UTC)


 * No problem. I've added the citation for the name spelling. There are quite a few Thai sources, but the information might require a bit disentangling and contextualization—there are several conflicting accounts on his early life, some of which say that he was born in Thailand—I'll see what I can find.
 * The mentioned temple I think is the shrine on the roof of the Phlapphla Chai Police Station. When the original mansion was demolished and rebuilt as a modern building sometime later, they included the shrine as a memorial to him.
 * Incidentally, I notice that you're not in the WP:Autopatrolled user group. If you don't mind, I'd like to suggest your name at WP:PERM/A. Among other things, it'll mean the articles you create will be indexed by search engines right away rather than having to wait until an NPR marks them as reviewed. --Paul_012 (talk) 17:19, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Template:Citation-attribution
I won't restore the specifci documentation yet beauase there is still an open discussion at Template:Source-attribution. What I will do is include the Template:Source-attribution/doc -- PBS (talk) 07:34, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Is the change sufficient? -- PBS (talk) 08:18, 24 September 2022‎ (UTC)


 * Sorry, I missed the part about waiting for the discussion, so I went ahead and re-created the documentation subpage. Having the documentation directly on the template page is probably a bit confusing to editors not familiar with the old system from over a decade ago. It can just be re-redirected if discussion leads otherwise. --Paul_012 (talk) 10:40, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Six of one half a dozen of the other. -- PBS (talk) 10:48, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Particularly egregious errors
Regarding. On my talk page you wrote: "" I do not understand that sentence. To help me understand please link to an example of such a change that I have made, so I can give an constructive reply. -- PBS (talk) 08:17, 24 September 2022 (UTC)


 * See for example Harry A. Badman & Co., where the attributing citation accompanies the short introductory paragraph, "The 1908 publication Twentieth Century Impressions of Siam describes the business as follows", which is then followed by the quote. (This is the format recommended by MOS:BLOCKQUOTE.) Converting the citation to say "One or more of the preceding sentences incorporates text from this source" made it incorrect, since the incorporated text follows the footnote and is not in the "one or more of the preceding sentences".
 * The same applies to many demographics articles, e.g. Demographics of Burkina Faso, your edits to which I've reverted. The citation footnote follows the introductory paragraph that says, "The following demographic statistics are from the CIA World Factbook, unless otherwise indicated." Converting the citation template broke the attribution. --Paul_012 (talk) 10:40, 24 September 2022 (UTC)


 * In the Harry A. Badman & Co. article the inline citation is for a blockquote so there is no need for a plagiarism attribution. Those attributions are only for text copied from another source that appears to be text created by Wikipedia editors. So is there any need to keep that attribution in the inline citations? -- PBS (talk) 10:55, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The quote is extensive. What else is going to let the reader know that the large quotation does not constitute a copyright violation since the source is out of copyright? The copyvio detection tools do not distinguish between text inside and outside a block quotation and will throw false positives at instances like this, so there needs to be ample explanation. (Even with the notice, another editor still made the mistake; see above.) --Paul_012 (talk) 11:04, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I understand your position on this. I tend to agree with User:Doczilla (it should be placed outside a block quote and modified). One of the reasons why Wikisource was created was so that large PD blockquotes could be lodged there and then the content can be linked from Wikipedia if that is deemed necessary, because of Wikipedia is not a repository However it is a edge case and you obviously have stronger feelings about it than I do.
 * But putting that aside I agree that the wording of citation-attribution is inappropriate for the citation in its current location. If you wish to keep it there and not place it at the end of the blockquote, then instead of citation-attribution  source-attribution ought to be used and the plagiarism attribution string should be before the citation to the source not after it. -- PBS (talk) 11:32, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

I agree with you observation about Demographics of Burkina Faso in such cases I will use source-attribution where appropriate. -- PBS (talk) 11:38, 24 September 2022 (UTC)


 * "The plagiarism attribution string should be before the citation to the source not after it." – I don't know if there's consensus in support of enforcing this format as the only standard. The recommendation back when PD-notice was a separate template had long been to place it after the source citation, and there are people who think it reads more naturally that way, as evidenced by another recent post on your talk page. Has this been written down as a guideline, or is there clear consensus in support of this? Can you point me to such documentation or discussion? --Paul_012 (talk) 12:00, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * see Category:Attribution templates are there any templates where the attribution comes after the citation? For example one with which you are familiar is:
 * which displays as:
 * This is intentional so that the attribution is clearly visible. This is also why in a bullet list of references the references that have text copied from them should be placed at the bottom with a bold Attribution: placed before them. This prominence was intentional because many editors do not like text being copied into Wikipedia from other sources and argued that it was plagiarism. the counter argument is it is not plagiarism if the footnotes and appendices clearly annotate that the text is copied from a source. It is (much?) clear if it is placed before the source.
 * Having said that "" of course there is no enforcement of the consensus view. Wikipedia does not work that way. -- PBS (talk) 12:25, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * This is intentional so that the attribution is clearly visible. This is also why in a bullet list of references the references that have text copied from them should be placed at the bottom with a bold Attribution: placed before them. This prominence was intentional because many editors do not like text being copied into Wikipedia from other sources and argued that it was plagiarism. the counter argument is it is not plagiarism if the footnotes and appendices clearly annotate that the text is copied from a source. It is (much?) clear if it is placed before the source.
 * Having said that "" of course there is no enforcement of the consensus view. Wikipedia does not work that way. -- PBS (talk) 12:25, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Proper name
Hi Paul, pls help me to translate "พี่สาวตุ๊กตาไม้" for Sister Wooden Doll. Please expand if you find out any information. Thanks Taung Tan (talk) 08:00, 11 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I do question whether the subject actually satisfies the notability guidelines. It appears to have been a fad that briefly made the news, as a lot of superstitious stuff regularly does in Thailand. Anyway, it's not known as "พี่สาวตุ๊กตาไม้" but simply "พี่สาว" (sister). The ตุ๊กตาไม้ (wooden doll) is a descriptor. --Paul_012 (talk) 13:14, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Umm She is also popular in my country. The figure is documented by major newspapers from Thailand. It is not enough to establish notability? Deitys are auto notable on Wikipedia as I noted. why not ? Taung Tan (talk) 15:28, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
 * A lot of stuff makes the news, but not all of it is considered notable in Wikipedia terms. It's a bit early to tell, but I don't think the subject looks like something that will generate WP:sustained coverage going forward, nor does the reported craze appear likely to have WP:lasting effects. Most of the coverage is about people clamoring for lucky lottery numbers. The wooden figure itself isn't so much a recognised folk deity but more regarded as a local spirit, the likes of which are usually considered to be everywhere. I won't suggest deletion just now, but this may need to be revisited in a few months/years to see if further sources are forthcoming. --Paul_012 (talk) 04:17, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you. The article is currently in draft. I think she should be notable because of her many laureate followers from many countries; Burmese celebrities have also visited her shrine. I know that there are many local spirits in Thailand, but she is different. Taung Tan (talk) 06:40, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Sam Yan Press
Sorry about that, missed the VOA PD info. Technically there should be PD template in the article, which is why I overlooked it.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 11:42, 18 November 2022 (UTC)


 * That's understandable. I only realised that when I was about to blank the section. Were you using Earwig? It seems a bit strange that it doesn't have VOA whitelisted. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:46, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah, but VOA does use third-party content from news agencies, so it's probably something that requires manually checking. Never mind then. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:50, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, I was using Earwig. Regardless, thanks for all you do here on WP.  See your name quite a bit.  Always a pleasure.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 12:01, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, and a huge thanks to you too for the tireless work you do at NPP. I realise a lot of our interactions have been reversions in cases where we disagree, but I hope they're seen as helping to check for misses, which are inevitable when going through such a huge amount of articles. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:45, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't give empty platitudes. I meant it when I thanked you.  Even when editors disagree, they can do so in the hopes that they are both working to improve the project, and you obviously are.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 12:47, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:39, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:03, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

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Bangkok. Any chance we could edit the K to a G.
Any chance we could edit the K to a G? As it is pronounced with a G sound. Go Gai is a G after all. When google or Siri read me the page they both say Kreng Thep like it’s a Koh Kai which it obviously is not. 42.115.163.3 (talk) 16:20, 23 December 2022 (UTC)


 * No, not really. You might like to take a look at the Romanization of Thai article for an overview explanation of how the various spelling systems work. Machine text-to-speech systems aren't developed enough to recognise them, but deviating from established romanization systems won't solve the issue. --Paul_012 (talk) 08:20, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

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