User talk:Peteforsyth/Archive 8

Wiknic 2013
"Wiknic 2013 Sunday, June 23rd · 12:34pm · Lake Merritt, Oakland Theme: Hyperlocal list-making" This year's 2013 SF Wiknik will be held at Lake Merritt, next to Children's Fairyland in Oakland. This event will be co-attended by people from the hyperlocal Oakland Wiki. May crosspollination of ideas and merriment abound!

Location and Directions

 * Location: The grassy area due south of Children's Fairyland (here) (Oakland Wiki)
 * Nearest BART: 19th Street
 * Nearest bus lines: NL/12/72
 * Street parking abounds

EdwardsBot (talk) 04:45, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Email
I replied earlier today, would you consider tomorrow for our chat, please reply via email, thanks! --Elitre (talk) 13:44, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

User:Peteforsyth — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.210.220.221 (talk) 15:27, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Reverted edit to Q Continuum
Just a comment on a recent edit of yours to Q Continuum that I reverted ("Popups" doesn't always give me the opportunity to append a reason): The text of the No footnotes banner says "This article contains a list of references, related reading or external links...". So, as the article does have external links, the References template (a redirect to Unreferenced) doesn't apply.

Actually, I used to use the Unreferenced template all the time myself until I found out about this. I've been having to slowly replace them as I encounter them... &mdash; Cbbkr (talk) 22:24, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, neither of the 2 external links are Reliable sources (open wiki = WP:USERGENERATED), hence they could never be used as citation, hence Pete's edit was correct. Memoryalpha is for EL sections only, not for citations. –Quiddity (talk) 22:59, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Yep. Thanks for explaining Q :) -Pete (talk) 21:42, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Service awards and copyright
The link you gave on my page was to an image that I did not submit, and have not edited. I would suggest you confirm that you did not accidentally alter the copyright of an image that you did not have permission to change. As I've said before, at the time of upload, I placed my service award images under the most permissive copyright tag that I was allowed, based on the copyright of the source images which I had modified. I continue to give permission to you or any other editor to change the copyright of my service award images to as free a license (up to absolute release into public domain) as can be, provided the copyright of source images allow derivatives to be released that freely. VanIsaacWS Vexcontribs 00:20, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Regarding P2PU Writing Wikipedia Articles Course
Hello Peter, I will have problems to conect tonigh 22 hs, but I will continue the course the other weeks, sincerely,--Fernando Lopez Anido (talk) 14:24, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

A Pie?
How did you send a pie?Lorrie (talk) 18:00, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome
Thanks Pete, I'm not sure I would consider myself and experienced Wikipedian although I have been interested forever and would love to do more. I am just watching the recorded lab session right now and I know I will learning a lot.

I teach ICT for Teachers in graduate and undergraduate courses. In most classes students have to do a final project. I offer them the choice of doing a presentation, writing a paper or creating a Wikipedia article of substance that sticks. The occasional person takes me up on the challenge adding good quality entries. I hope to direct more people to this wonderful collaborative work. Regards Glen — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gating (talk • contribs) 08:08, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Aboriginal names RMs and CfRs
Hi Peter; I remember you, I think, as taking part in the discussions a few years ago about indigenous article and category names/structures in the PacNW; Pfly also suggested you as someone who had taken part. I know NorCalHistory was around for that, not sure who else; both he and Murderbike are on extended wikibreaks btw; recent unilateral changes by User:Kwami on many have resulted in arduous CfDs trying to revert to the indigenously-correct names, which are now common fare in Canada. It's beyond acrimonious now into the absurd, with citations produced and then picked apart on irrelevancies, and though there's others that support the moves I've proposed, they're ignored. And I'm being made the issue, and snotted on right and left, I'm an old man, I don't need this bullshit. I came back into Wikipedia last December or so because of anti-indigenous/POV edits on Idle No More and Theresa Spence, which have since been fixed and other experienced editors are now watching them; it's ironic and disturbing to me that indigenous preferences and accepted modern usages (e.g. Secwepemc vs. Shuswap people) are now being dismissed in favour or retrenchment of the discredited/outdate names despite tons of sources being produced to demonstrate the points demanded; they'll even say I haven't produced cites that I have, and presume to call me "childish" and accuse me of being parochial, when it's their attitudes that are parochial. A further problem with the RMs in question is that, like what's happened at Category:Squamish, which resulted from changing the Skwxwu7mesh article to Squamish people, and is a disaster in terms of the vagueness of the category's name now (as you know, I'm sure, Squamish's primary usage is for the town), the imposition of main article titles onto categories, and eventually bypassing redirects and substituting the outdated/discredited/"colonialist" names in texts in other articles, is going to cause a lot of problems because of the other uses of those older names, i.e. Chilcotin, Lillooet, Shuswap, etc....and "Thompson" for the Nlaka'pamux. Picayune silliness has ensued, I've spent over a week, as a professional writer who's around me during that time has pointed out, and more, on these, and I don't get paid for all that time, and my knowledge is being not just dismissed out-of-hand but treated very derisively. I don't need this shit, quite frankly, and may leave Wikipedia once again, though I'm pondering where in the hierarchy to take t he whole matter; not ANI, there's more than one editor involved in the "attack" mode and t he picking-apart obstructionism that's going on.....not an RfC, as more t han a comment is needed; ArbCom maybe, though I'm not clear on what they do. These RMs need closing, persuasive citations are rife, but ignored by those opposing the move or just being fussy, and who derogate Canadian and native sources saying "we don't care what your parochial local perspective" etc.....reason I'm here is because if I could locate the old discussions about all this, and the conventions that evolved by consensus, it might help. These usages are official now, most of them anyway, but we're hearing "we don't do official names at Wikipedia"....fact of the matter is the Queen Charlotte Islands->Haida Gwaii RM was finally clinched when the name was made official i.e. by government naming bureaus in Victoria and Ottawa. What's arbitrary is the nature of all the objections, and typically they demand cites without providing any of their own; Kwami has ranted he doesn't have to produce cites, it's not about disproving what he says, but about me proving what I'm saying; but his claim that these are the "most common" usage is complete horseshit, and he won't produce any cites to back that up, instead he dwells on whether or not they can be English words because "nobody knows how to pronounce them". The "article titles not in English" line has also been used, as if native-name articles don't exist (e.g. Mi'kmaq and its category, among hundreds of examples. Sorry for the rant, just fielding the problem and wondering if you can recall those discussions that we had while trying to sort out all the Pacific Northwest Coast/Northwest Plateau people/government articles and categories.....guidelines need to be established about all this; but right now, as I sad, the frustrations and insults and patronizing attitude from people who don't even know the subject matter at hand is so tiresome and degrading I'm considering leaving Wikipedia again for somewhere I might get paid for all this kind of time I put in on such matters and where I don't have to put up with the gamesmanship and obstructionism that's going on, and the ongoing attempts to make the RMs about me instead of the cites provided. These are, for your reference, to be found at Talk:Lillooet people, Talk:Kutenai people, Talk:Chilcotin people, Talk:Thompson people and Talk:Shuswap people. Amazingly, the CfD at Category:Sto:lo people looks like it's doing just fine....[the diacriticals on the current form of that are why This CfD).I'm finding it really grating, viewing my watchlist, which as you can guess is huge, seeing so many category fiddlings and code-fixes and bot-activity and very little in the way of actual article writing; people rearranging deck chairs on a ship, as it were. And here I am, the person who's probably done t he most in the way of FN articles and categories, not just being treated as if I'm stupid (gag) and that my extensive experience with these subjects has no value at all....the chauvinism towards native peoples in some of these RMs is also very shocking.  Sorry I couldn't have been more succinct here, there's a lot that's gone on, as you'll see; Pfly, Montanabw, KootenayVolcano, OldManRivers and others have all made strong comments in support, they just get ignored......Skookum1 (talk) 08:18, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * See also, if you care to, the CfD at Category:Nuxálk (er, gonna have to copy-paste the accent onto that on a further edit, it's because of needing to do that I want it in the usual English form without the accent marks, same as at Sto:lo, and also Category:Cree nations, which is way lengthy now than it needs to be; and even more frustrating.....Skookum1 (talk) 08:34, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Here is the St'at'imc one, the Sto:lo one is below it on the same log-page, the Nuxálk one above it.Skookum1 (talk) 08:57, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Spanish translation
Hey, our pupil Javier has started a Spanish translation of the course and asked me for feedback! Check out my response on his talk page. Your views? - Sara FB (talk) 19:18, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Pete and Sara on this moment I just finished the translation of the page WIKISOO/week 1. A greeting --Cazalinks (talk) 22:37, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Conflict of Interest
Hi pete,

I think that I am having a conflict of interest problem that you spoke about in class tonight. I was trying to add a exhibition section to the Royal Ontario Museum page and was told it sounded too promotional. This was not my intention. However, I don't understand what I did wrong seeing as I was just trying to write factual information. This is what I wrote: Mesopotamia The Mesopotamia exhibition will be at the ROM from June 22, 2013 in the Garfield Weston Exhibition Hall located in the Michael Lee-Chin Crystal on Level 2B until January 5th 2014.[80] The exhibit showcases over 170 objects from the collections of the British Museum.[80] Urban civilization started in Mesopotamia where the first cities and complex forms of organization and economic activity emerged. The exhibition will teach people about Mesopotamia’s social and technological developments through time in ancient Sumer (4000-2000 BCE), the dominance of the Assyrian World Empire (1000 – 600 BCE), and the rise and fall of Babylon (600 -540 BCE). [80] Exhibition highlights include gold jewelry found in the tombs at the Royal Cemetery in the city of Ur, several artifacts illustrating the accomplishments of King Hammurabi (1792 – 1750 BCE), and a statue of King Ashurnasirpal II. A piece from the ROM’s collection is the Striding Lion that once adorned the throne room façade of the palace of Babylon’s King Nebuchadnezzar II (604-562 BCE). [80] The exhibition also touches on the rediscovery of Mesopotamia by the west and the catastrophic impact of the 2003 looting of Baghdad’s Iraq Museum and the destruction of numerous archaeological sites had on Iraq’s culture.[80] Mesopotamia has various interpretive elements such as a 3-D fly though of Babylon featuring the Tower of Babel and the Hanging Gardens of Babylon, touchable reproductions, interactive touch-screens, translation of ancient texts, and audio explanations. [80] Programming for scholars, adults, and families will also take place during the exhibitions time at the ROM. Mesopotamia is presented by the British Museum in collaboration with the Royal Ontario Museum.[80]

Could you give me some tips regarding this problem? Thanks MJMcGowan (talk) 02:40, 22 May 2013 (UTC)


 * The main problem is that a future event should not be collected in an encyclopedia because it has not happened and may be reached not take place, or maybe it happens but in another place or in another time, etc.--Cazalinks (talk) 07:01, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

(This question answered at WT:WIKISOO) -Pete (talk)

Questions on the course talk page
Hi, Pete. I posted 2 questions on the course talk page. One about moving images around and one about embedding pdfs. The pdfs would be copyrighted material, so I can't really put it up on Wiki media. thanks, Lorrie (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:46, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Image copyright issues
Hi, I noticed you made a post to WP:CP regarding an image copyright issue for File:US Soccer logo.svg. I'm not an expert in that department, but I believe that the Template:SVG Logo appended to the file answers your copyright concern, as the image is displayed nominally at 501x501 pixels and so should not be a problem. However, if you still wish to have the nominal display size reduced, I recommend tagging it with so that its nominal size can be reduced by someone who is more knowledgeable about Wikipedia's non-free image guidelines. I've removed your post to WP:CP as image problems are not dealt with there, only text copyright problems. I hope this helps. Thanks, --RAN1 (talk) 19:48, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

New Article for Class: PhET Interactive Simulations
Hi Pete, We would love to have help with the article on PhET. I'm going to try and get some references/citations in there. Thanks, Kathy — Preceding unsigned comment added by Klidessau (talk • contribs) 19:50, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Pete, I did a lot of work on the article, finding references, etc. It's in my sandbox. If you want to take a look, I'd love the feedback. Thanks.Klidessau (talk) 22:34, 4 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Pete, would you recommend a "Featured" article that we could use for a model? Right now we are using Khan Academy. Would you say this is a good page or do you know another OER article that is "Good" or "Featured" . Or can you ping Sara? thanksPatricia.Loeblein (talk) 20:46, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply on my talk page. What is proper protocol to acknowledge a comment added on my talk page. Am I supposed to come back to your talk like this or just reply in my talk page? Patricia.Loeblein (talk) 23:33, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi Pete....I think we're close to trying to re-submit the PhET Article. We'd love for you to take a look. Do you think we should re-submit? Or is there something that we should improve upon? Thanks, Kathy Klidessau (talk) 23:32, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi Pete, So I'm confused...So I see the move, should I move it to the Wikipedia? But in the pink box, it also says that I can resubmit? Which one should I do?Klidessau (talk) 16:25, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Portland "Wiknic" 2013!
Just an FYI! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:43, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of West Linn Tidings


The article West Linn Tidings has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * no claim to notability, no reliable third party source coverage

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion.  S ven M anguard  Wha?  23:24, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
Hi Pete, I am a teacher, so it is weird to "Talk back" to our WP teacher, but I wanted to show you that I did learn. Check this out: thanks teach, PS if this doesn't work the first time, I may have to edit again, turns out if you preview, you can't check the link (at least that is my experience) Patricia.Loeblein (talk) 02:07, 13 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I missed class on Tuesday and was hoping to catch the archive and attend the lab tomorrow. I will check in the morning. (BTW the first thing I learned in class was to sign my talk - good thing to know) thx Patricia.Loeblein (talk) 02:38, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

References template
Pete, thanks for a great class. I am trying to edit an article I started which got rejected for non-verifiable references. I went on chat and got some coaching not to use "Find a Grave". No problem, I have another reference. The problem is I am trying to edit my article in the Sandbox. I don't see how to remove or replace the references. There is this weird message I hadn't seen before too.

What am I missing? Melisse May (talk) 20:33, 11 June 2013 (UTC)Melisse_May
 * Hi, please don't mind me butting in! You just need to add this template to the bottom of the page:
 * (Copy/paste that directly. It uses curly brackets, not round brackets.) Then all your references will appear in its place, when you save.
 * Hope that helps. –Quiddity (talk) 21:38, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Please butt in Quiddity and thank you. I tried what I understood of your solution but did not see a change.  Do I need to wait for the bot to make another round or ::should I go back to Kindergarten and learn to follow directions?  Would it help if you saw my Sandbox?  Melisse May (talk) 18:57, 12 June 2013 (UTC)Melisse_May


 * Happy to help, although I think I made a mistake, by misunderstanding the question. My apologies for that. (Someone told me years ago, "You're not a real Wikipedian until you've made, and learned from, at least 50 mistakes." I'm waaaay past there!) Curiosity, and making mistakes, are the best paths to learning. :)


 * I see your sandbox article at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Jacob Strader (steamboat). To replace the find-a-grace reference, you want to delete this content: " "
 * Secondly, you want to delete the repeat shortversion that is further below: " "
 * And then just add the new reference as you did the previous ones.
 * I'll do a few small tweaks to your draft, such as putting references after punctuation marks, but I'll leave the rest to you. :)
 * I'm not exactly sure what that weird message at the bottom means, but it can be safely ignored. –Quiddity (talk) 20:22, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * That did the trick - thank you.Melisse May (talk) 13:42, 14 June 2013 (UTC)Melisse_May

Quiddity, thanks for stepping in here -- I've been watching this and am happy to see you were able to get it sorted out! Melisse, be sure to let us know if you have further difficulties. -Pete (talk) 15:13, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Oregon ballot measures
Thanks for checking in re: Oregon ballot measure articles. This PSU project has been fun and I look forward to seeing what additional student work might appear in the near future! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:12, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

P2PU class mentioned in Wikisoo
I am interested in participating and maybe helping in planning the class.Redwellie14 (talk) 02:09, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Submitting final project
Hi, Pete, I think that it was discussed last night and I just completely missed it - after we write up what we did to our article, how do we submit that information to you and Sara?

EJade and I have almost finished our stub to start. Lorrie (talk) 18:45, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Silly me, I looke on the Final Project, not the week's page.Lorrie (talk) 15:07, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your contribution to David Wiley discussion
Hi Pete, I just wanted to say thanks for taking the time to bring another voice to the David Wiley article talk page. I'll probably just re-write the section. ChristineBushMV (talk) 23:57, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Advice on Improving PhET Article
Hi Pete, I saw that you have read the review of the article. I was just going to reach out to you to ask how to best address the concerns. Thanks! Kathy Klidessau (talk) 17:01, 20 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Pete, I would appreciate your reflections on the new pieces I added today in the OER Community section if you could. I wish I had written down the ideas for other titles, but I was concentrating on pages that were being shown and strategies. I will try to catch the archive when it is up. The class has been quite a challenge and I am thrilled. Kathy is a great partner, she really pushed me to try stuff even when she had already learned the coding. I think you helped build a very safe active community during the class and that has helped me feel like I can participate in WP. One thing I wonder about still is "when is it ok to have inline links to outside web sources?" Based on the comments from the reviewer, Kathy asked me to take all out that were not to WP cites. Thanks from a needy student (does is how that I am a classroom teacher?) Patricia.Loeblein (talk) 19:03, 21 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Patricia, thank you for the feedback, it's very gratifying to know this has worked well for you. (Sara, Christine, and Ben all deserve a good share of the kudos as well!) I will answer in more detail on the Talk:PhET Interactive Simulations page, but on the question about external links: it's true, external links within the body of an article are generally discouraged. In my view this is a pretty minor consideration, and I have resisted the urge to comment on every possible topic of discussion in students' articles; but as you have now learned the hard way, Wikipedians (and I should include myself, in other contexts) can be very particular about details like this. For a thorough discussion of policies and guidelines around external links, see WP:EL. -Pete (talk) 00:03, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Aaron Stark
Good sir, if you forward me those sources you mentioned in the AfD debate I should have time to add them to the article. Please and thanks. Buddy23Lee (talk) 18:10, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

WikiSOO Burba badge
Hi Pete, Thanks again for the course P2P Writing Wikipedia Articles course. I have started the page Epistemology of Wikipedia and I have been doing some edits and corresponding with another Wikipedian. I wasn't sure if I need 200 edits total or 200 edits relating to class activities to qualify for the Burba badge, can you clarify? Regards, --ggatin (talk) 20:30, 21 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Pete, please see my comments regarding Recursos educativos abiertos. I think Javier has done excellent work. ChristineBushMV (talk) 21:58, 21 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Gating, 200 edits total is fine. Christine -- thanks very much, I'll take a look! -Pete (talk) 22:43, 21 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I've also provided feedback on most of the badge submissions at P2PU. ChristineBushMV (talk) 23:35, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Submissions page froze!
What to do, what to do? The second time I used the visual editor to create a link, the submissions page froze. The entire page grayed: I can't select any field in the form, nor any of the links on the page. Is there a known glitch? Do I start all over again? --Litjade (talk) 21:46, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Winoly Cup
You deleted this article without even notifying me, as one of the most frequent editors, to your objection. There was no reason to delete this article, the competition is notable and has been since 2007! The fact the article has been on wiki for so long surely tells you something about its notability. If you don't believe it is notable than think about this: it is hosted by a club that last year won the Premier League and Community Shield, and the year before won the FA Cup, whereas the corresponding competition held by Arsenal [whom have no notable trophies in this era!] (the Emirates Cup), still has an article! Next time you desire to delete a perfectly eligible article please notify the main editors, the creator and an admin first! thank you Atban.3000   write me  19:05, 30 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Restored. The original author was notified by User:GiantSnowman, who originally proposed the article for deletion. The referencing looks a bit thin to me, but if you want to work on it and draw out the topic's notability better in the article, have at it. -Pete (talk) 04:33, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Archives for week 6 Wiki class
Hi Pete, I have been watching for the archives for week 6 class and lab. I wonder if you still have access and can post those on the class page? PS thanks for the note about my badge. I will keep working and may apply again sometime. Thanks TrishPatricia.Loeblein (talk) 20:23, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Pete.
Hi Pete, I hope you have been well since the P2P class ended. I was wondering if you have every heard of Wikipedia (Wikimedia Foundation) giving any grant money to Wikipedian in Residence programs. I've been trying to gather information on the topic but have been a little stuck. I've looked at WMF Grants Program on the meta wiki page but I am still confused. I haven't submitted my Currelly Article yet because I still intend to add more content. Hope you are having a great summer. MJMcGowan 18:01, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

P2PU Wikisoo class
I thought there was going to be a 'reunion' class today at 9:00 pm. I can't find a link on the course Wikipedia page.Redwellie14 (talk) 01:06, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Burba Badge
Hi, Pete, Hope all is well (wherever you are at the moment). New England and New York are in a rain, rain, rain pattern, just like a lot of the country is in a hot (dangerously hot) weather pattern. How do I find out if my article has been accepted? I check P2PU, but have to go through the course page to get to the badges - my P2PU page doesn't show any badges. Can you tell I have a mild case of ADD? If it doesn't introduce itself in the first 5 words, it's not there :) So, IF I have earned it, how does the badge get added to my user page? thanks, Lorrie (talk) 18:44, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Pete, I am also looking for my Burba Badge. I previously asked if I had completed the requirements for the badge and I was left with the impression that I had. The article that I started for the class was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistemology_of_Wikipedia I noted in today's email to the class that you highlighted the other pages that were started in this class. Should I be looking elsewhere for clues about my status in the class? ggatin (talk) 19:24, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Greetings from Ecuador!
Howdy Pete! I took last Round classes and they were great, I did not get my Badge but I´m here again to get it. As you can see I put Team Ecuador on this new round of classes, the main reason is that I´m the coordinator of the group of volunteers from Ecuador and I really enoyed #WIKISOO last time. Do not worry about the language we speak, read and write English.--Tanuyeiro (talk) 18:30, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Your Reversal of my Admin action
I can understand that my sporadic internet access means that I'm not responding very quickly but I was surprised to see that you reversed my action without further discussion with me. Especially as your contributions to this thread suggest that you are actively supporting Russavia over on Commons and are therefore arguably involved and non-neutral in this matter. In addition, it is patently obvious that Russavia is using his edits to his talkpage to actively solicit edits on the English wikipedia and in my explanation for my action I linked an ANI discussion where that very activity led to a consensus to revoke another user's talkpage access. I'd be very grateful if your observations on these points as I am not happy with the current state of play. Spartaz Humbug! 05:53, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Excuse me but on what basis did you remove account creation and IP blocking from the block? That's absolutely not acceptable and these are standard settings. At the bare minimum I expect you to restore these settings. Spartaz Humbug! 07:07, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

ANI Notice
Spartaz Humbug! 05:14, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Undeletion request
Would you mind undeleting File:June 12 2004-billboards of lahore-beauty girl-c.JPG and File:Sharp Billboard (Nicolson Road, Lahore)-c.JPG? See the link that Quadell posted at WP:MCQ — Pakistan has freedom of panorama for things permanently placed in public places, and the links that I've given in response show that billboards count as "permanent" and that we permit things of this sort as long as they're taken in countries with freedom of panorama. If the ANI discussion makes you uncomfortable with the idea of taking any additional admin actions on these images, I'll file a DRV (the ANI means that it shouldn't count as non-controversial for WP:REFUND purposes); should that happen, please don't think of the DRV as a complaint about or rejection of your decision. Nyttend (talk) 21:50, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * ✅ I should have checked for FOP, thanks for bringing that to my attention. I think there's also a legitimate question about whether there's any reason to host this content, but that's a question better put to a noticeboard. -Pete (talk) 22:06, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I agree that it's an odd thing to host, so perhaps they should get sent to FFD, but yeah that's not a good reason for deletion without a discussion.  Knowing what US law is like, my mind automatically asks "could it be FOP?" whenever I see a copyright-based dispute over an image that shows a copyrightable work in another country, just like I think "could it be PD-US-no notice?" showing a copyrightable work in the USA.  Nyttend (talk) 22:13, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm not a lawyer, so in general I feel like I need to defer to the wisdom of others on stuff like this. But it does strain my powers of imagination to understand how the FOP laws of another country could impact the copyright status of an image within the US. (And all content on all Wikimedia projects needs to be freely reusable under US law.) Anyway -- no argument here, just an ongoing bit of confusion I'm struggling with. -Pete (talk) 22:23, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
Jackson Peebles (talk) 23:15, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia Takes Portland 2013!
-- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:23, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Exceptions list
I fixed your formatting. The instructions say no quotes. :-) Cheers.— cyberpower ChatOnline 22:09, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, I was wondering about that as I did it -- whether the instructions meant only double quotes, or single quotes too. Thanks for fixing it, and cleaning up the instructions! By the way, the issue that led me to do that is under discussion here: MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist -- perhaps you could take a look at this, I'm still not entirely clear on why your bot caught those links to begin with, and if there's a better way than this whitelist to fix the problem? -Pete (talk) 22:24, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The best solution is to simply remove that regex.   just seems to be flagging everything.— cyberpower ChatOnline 22:29, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Vandalism
Hi Pete, Came across an interesting species of vandalism at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Valentine%27s_Day_Massacre The History page view shows the vandalism but not the source page. How does that work? How can it be reverted? A number of elements on this article have been vandalized. I first learned about it when user Ve Jay on Facebook was listing it as an example of the unreliability of Wikipedia. --ggatin (talk) 19:12, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Bug filed
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54443 Steven Walling &bull; talk   23:41, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

You're invited! Ada Lovelace Day San Francisco
beautiful! am optimistic and interesting, am: jesmioni@gmail.com  41.206.11.20 (talk) 14:16, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Libraries 2013
FYI. Wish you could be here, Pete! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:39, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Just a reminder, in case you know anyone who might be interested in attending! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:37, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Books and Bytes: The Wikipedia Library Newsletter
Books and Bytes Volume 1, Issue 1, October 2013 by , Greetings Wikipedia Library members! Welcome to the inaugural edition of Books and Bytes, TWL’s monthly newsletter. We're sending you the first edition of this opt-in newsletter, because you signed up, or applied for a free research account: HighBeam, Credo, Questia, JSTOR, or Cochrane. To receive future updates of Books and Bytes, please add your name to the subscriber's list. There's lots of news this month for the Wikipedia Library, including new accounts, upcoming events, and new ways to get involved... New positions: Sign up to be a Wikipedia Visiting Scholar, or a Volunteer Wikipedia Librarian Wikipedia Loves Libraries: Off to a roaring start this fall in the United States: 29 events are planned or have been hosted. New subscription donations: Cochrane round 2; HighBeam round 8; Questia round 4... Can we partner with NY Times and Lexis-Nexis?? New ideas: OCLC innovations in the works; VisualEditor Reference Dialog Workshop; a photo contest idea emerges News from the library world: Wikipedian joins the National Archives full time; the Getty Museum releases 4,500 images; CERN goes CC-BY Announcing WikiProject Open: WikiProject Open kicked off in October, with several brainstorming and co-working sessions New ways to get involved: Visiting scholar requirements; subject guides; room for library expansion and exploration Read the full newsletter ''Thanks for reading! All future newsletters will be opt-in only. Have an item for the next issue? Leave a note for the editor on the Suggestions page. --The Interior 20:56, 27 October 2013 (UTC)''

Wikimedia LGBT
Hi Pete, I just wanted to bring Wikimedia LGBT, a proposed user group and thematic organization that promotes the development of content on Wikimedia projects which is of interest to LGBT communities, to your attention. I am sure you are so busy with your current projects, but I hope you might be able to direct people to this group if they are interested in LGBT content in any way. Of course, you are also more than welcome to indicate your interest/support, if you wish. Hopefully we can get some LGBT-related GLAM projects up and running in the near future. Best, -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:05, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

"Wiki Loves Libraries" edit-athon in Vancouver, WA
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The Wikipedia Library Survey
As a subscriber to one of The Wikipedia Library's programs, we'd like to hear your thoughts about future donations and project activities in this brief survey. Thanks and cheers, Ocaasit &#124; c 15:21, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Contributing to Commons brochure: draft PDF


Hey Pete! We've got a draft PDF now. Any feedback you have at this point will be much appreciated. You can let us know what you think draft talk page.--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 19:31, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Category:Oregon politicians who changed parties
Category:Oregon politicians who changed parties, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:41, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Mail
You've got it. -- John Reaves 21:23, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

School of Open course
Pete, I'll be teaching a course on Wikipedia at the same time at my university (starts few days after yours). I wonder if there's a scope for cooperation? I use Prezis, see Wikipedia_talk:School_of_Open_course; perhaps you can find them of some use as supplementary reading for the students? I wonder if it would be useful for us to work on the Prezis together, to incorporate them more into your course? In turn, I wonder if my students could also enroll and benefit from your course. Due to conflicting schedule, I guess they would want to look at School of Open course self-paced; I see this page is being redesigned? Also, can experienced Wikipedian like me enroll to see how does it look from the inside? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 11:29, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Piotrus, thanks for the note. I'd be happy to explore synergies. Maybe a Skype call would be best? I'll take a look at your resources, and yes, I'm working on finishing up the self-paced version. Do you have anything online about the logistics of your course that I could review? Feel to respond by email if that's easier for scheduling a chat etc. -Pete (talk) 21:20, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Last years wiki syllabus is at Wikipedia:School and university projects/User:Piotrus/Fall 2013 wiki; this year I haven't started it yet, but I'd probably use the same form - I've been doing it for years, after all. Skype would be good, yes; I am prokonsul_piotrus, currently in European timezone. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 21:47, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

GLAM-Out Today
Hi Pete! Reedies are everywhere indeed! Nice meeting you at the GLAMOut today- I don't actually think we've gotten a chance to interface before. It seems like you have a lot of experience talking about COI concerns in a public and educational setting and it would be great to talk to you more about working towards a panel or discussion or workshop on COI in the GLAM community. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this issue, and even if you cannot attend, perhaps you can participate in some of the planning or supervision of this piece of the conference. Please email me at dhoward@metro.org when you get a chance. Cheers! OR drohowa (talk) 21:34, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

WIKISOO interface question
Hi Peteforyth,

I'm signed up for the WIKISOO online course that starts next week (many thanks to you and Snarfa in advance!)

After attending the Eyebeam Art + Feminism edit-a-thon on 2/1/14, I'm enthusiastic about learning more about Wikipedia! I've got an article in my sandbox that I'd like to get some feedback on from the course participants as there are SO MANY things I don't know - I'm kind of going on instinct. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Netherzone/sandbox_Linda_Weintraub

However, regarding the Blackboard Collaborate interface, I'm having difficulty signing up. It seems that it requires an institutional affiliation to get a response. While I do have one (at Pace U. where I'm employed) I'd like to sign up as an individual researcher. I'm wondering if the WIKISOO has an affiliation that can be used in requesting the trial version? Not sure if you are the right person to direct this question to.

Looking forward to the course, and thanks again. Netherzone (talk) 01:37, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Books & Bytes, Issue 4
Books and Bytes Volume 1, Issue 4, February 2014 News for February from your Wikipedia Library. Donations drive: news on TWL's partnership efforts with publishers Open Access: Feature from Ocaasi on the intersection of the library and the open access movement American Library Association Midwinter Conference: TWL attended this year in Philadelphia Royal Society Opens Access To Journals: The UK's venerable Royal Society will give the public (and Wikipedians) full access to two of their journal titles for two days on March 4th and 5th Going Global: TWL starts work on pilot projects in other language Wikipedias Read the full newsletter MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 04:00, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Hello Pete
Am I doing this right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.250.57.231 (talk) 01:26, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi Pete:

Thanks for the note. I will do the edit summaries.Researcherguy (talk) 17:21, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

re: Johnsburg, NY article edit
Thanks, I guess it would help with researching it as I want to anyway (but in fact I hoped to glean a lot from Wikipedia in that regard, generally). I was thinking about starting with a topic I'm a lot more familiar with first, but maybe it would good if you recommend it. I took a brief look at the geography page you linked. I've certainly spent a lot of time reading Wikipedia, just haven't written much... yet, anyway.DavidBoudreau (talk) 06:52, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * @David, sorry I never replied to this! I thought it might be an interesting project, often you can learn a lot from working on a short article you don't (yet) know a whole lot about -- by doing research and adding to the article piece by piece. It's up to you though -- by now maybe you have settled on something else. -Pete (talk) 21:38, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Disambiguation pages
Hello, Peteforsyth. When you moved Bob Sutton to a new title and then redirected the old title to a disambiguation page, you may not have been aware of WP:FIXDABLINKS, which says:
 * A code of honor for creating disambiguation pages is to fix all resulting mis-directed links.
 * Before moving an article to a qualified name (in order to create a disambiguation page at the base name, to move an existing disambiguation page to that name, or to redirect that name to a disambiguation page), click on What links here to find all of the incoming links. Repair all of those incoming links to use the new article name.

It would be a great help if you would check the other Wikipedia articles that contain links to "Bob Sutton" and fix them to take readers to the correct article. Thanks. R'n'B (call me Russ) 11:30, 21 March 2014 (UTC)


 * You're right, I neglected that. I think somebody got to the article space problems before I saw this; I just tidied up some housekeeping pages, user sandboxes, etc. Thanks for pointing it out. -Pete (talk) 14:19, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Minor edit needed...
Hi! Just noticed that the first link in your "my work elsewhere" section is dead. I suspect there are others, but didn't check them.... Love, Martha (talk) 19:06, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Final Article Ready
Hi Pete and Sara: My article on Open Course Library (OCL) -- written from scratch -- is just about done and rests in my sandbox -- I have more references to add -- and I'll do that over the next couple of days. Would you please take a look and tell me what to do now? If it's ready, how do I move it out into the "real" world? -- although I notice that it is already indexed by Google. I, of course, would like to get all the badges I can out of this too. Thanks very much Researcherguy (talk) 12:21, 11 April 2014 (UTC)Researcherguy (talk) 16:40, 11 April 2014 (UTCResearcherguy (talk)

Books & Bytes - Issue 5
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Issue 5, March 2014 by ,

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 * New Visiting Scholar positions
 * TWL Branch on Arabic Wikipedia, microgrants program
 * Australian articles get a link to librarians
 * Spotlight: "7 Reasons Librarians Should Edit Wikipedia"

Caption in NAN
Pete, it now reads 2013–2013. Tony  (talk)  04:29, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Survey for editors who mentor newcomer
Dear Wikipedia Ambassador,

I am seeking input on your experience as a mentor to new Wikipedians. This survey is designed to provide insight for the development of a new mentorship support tool on Wikipedia. If you have a moment, please take this survey, it should not take more than 10 minutes of your time to complete.

https://syracuseuniversity.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_4V2SSrhU2NFOVAV

Also, if you are able to, I would greatly appreciate it if you would send the following survey to the mentee you worked with:

https://syracuseuniversity.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_4V1quUdMZ1By3Ah

Thank you in advance for your participation, Gabriel Mugar 13:33, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Request for comment
Hello there, a proposal regarding pre-adminship review has been raised at Village pump by. Your comments here is very much appreciated. Many thanks. Jim Carter through MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:46, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Books & Bytes, Issue 6
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 * New donations from Oxford University Press and Royal Society (UK)
 * TWL does Vegas: American Library Association Annual plans
 * TWL welcomes a new coordinator, resources for library students and interns
 * New portal on Meta, resources for starting TWL branches, donor call blitzes, Wikipedia Visiting Scholar news, and more

GLAM history/structure
I'm afraid the Wikipedia article GLAM (industry sector) is not very good. I was wondering how GLAM got started and who runs it. Is there a decision maker that has authority to make choices on how GLAM is run? Are all the participants hired by the same organization or is it more of a loosely organized group? Did Wikipedians start the initiative or was it you or an early GLAM participant that got it started? How is it structured? I was hoping you might have a few minutes to spare to educate me. CorporateM (Talk) 23:03, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
 * , I'm sorry, I don't quite see what you're getting at. I think maybe you are conflating "GLAM" (an industry sector that's existed for millenia) and the more recent phenomenon of "GLAM-Wiki" (a loose collection of efforts to help GLAM institutions engage effectively with collaboratively-built web sites?) I think you're more interested in the latter -- there's no really quick answer, but I think you'd find most of the answers you want starting at GLAM. The first Wikipedian in Residence was at the British Museum, who pretty much made it happen on his own. The idea was first proposed in a 2006 blog post by, and was reignited during the Wikimedia Strategic Planning process in 2009, which may (?) have been what sparked Liam to pursue the British Museum project. But that's just the barest of outlines...so much has happened since. I hope those pages on Outreach help. -Pete (talk) 21:30, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I think that answers my question (there is no central organization, just a mish mash of people who identify under the same banner). I didn't realize GLAM was an acronym that existed in a different context other than how it is used on Wikipedia. CorporateM (Talk) 22:19, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
 * OK good. Glad that helped! -Pete (talk) 22:27, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Redlink on your user page
I notice a redlink on your user page for Native Americans of the Pacific Northwest or some such title. I bring your attention to Native American peoples of Oregon. Obviously, your concept is probably better from an anthropological perspective, particularly if one were to integrate the coastal peoples of today's OR, WA, and BC into a single piece and to kick out the inland peoples for another parallel article. Be that as it may... best, — Carrite (talk) 17:11, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, it looks like you've done some excellent work building up that page. The list on my user page is horribly out of date...I added that particular link long before you started the article, and it reflects my very non-expert perception that the "Pacific Northwest" might be a framework that makes more sense than "Oregon," since the borders of Oregon have only existed very recently from the perspective of Native American history. I'm glad to see this topic getting more coverage on Wikipedia, regardless. I appreciate the update. -Pete (talk) 18:20, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
 * The entire notion of a "Pacific Northwest" pretty much misses the logical way to categorize the first nations, which is sub-regionally. At least there are published sources following my "state" approach, so it's Wikipedia-kosher. Still, the logical division would be "coastal native american peoples of the pacific northwest" for one; and then some further divisions of inland native american peoples of the pacific northwest on top of that. Probably a split between river-based cultures and plains-based cultures. It's one of those things that has no perfect solution... Carrite (talk) 19:23, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
 * That all sounds reasonable to me. I made the link without much thought, as a note to myself to capture a concept, and I'm very far from being an expert on the topic. I'm not arguing for one over the other -- just happy to see that the general topic is being worked on, and that you have a better grasp than I on the relevant scholarship! -Pete (talk) 19:59, 17 July 2014 (UTC)