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A barnstar for you!

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...thanks for fixing it, those edits had baffled me! Hchc2009 (talk) 18:32, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Staffordshire
Hello, i would be interested in joining WikiProject Staffordshire. Gavbadger (talk) 00:14, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

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Help with Agressive Moderator Not Respectful of My Identity or Name
Ronhjones (talk) RonhJones just blocked my account Dandypantsfilms without giving me the option of choosing which account (Dandypantsfilms or Beardedladyfilm) I wanted to use. I had already responded to your request that suggested I change the names prior to this person acting super aggressive and blocking my account. I am now hoping to refer this to you so that you can speak with them and revert the decision. I would prefer to use Dandypants (the new requested name I would like to see replace Dandypantsfilms), as opposed to BeardedLadyFilm. My name is dandypants in real life. Quite literally people call me dandy. It is my name and I would prefer that as it is more respectful than referring to me by my identity alone. In other words all people prefer to be called by their name and not just by who they are. I just happen to be a bearded lady. Thank you for your assistance. Beardedladyfilm (talk) 01:01, 29 November 2012 (UTC)


 * RonhJones' actions were in accordance with Wikipedia policy. It looks as thought this matter is now resolved. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:53, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

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Public Art List Check-Up?
Hi, I'm working on reformatting List of public art in Milwaukee with your fancy table system. Would you be willing to check on my work in progress and let me know if I should try to do things differently? I would love to make sure I'm on track before I build out the full list (150+). Thanks! --Jgmikulay (talk) 03:10, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks perfect; I've just added KML, at the top of the page. Thank you for using the template.  Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:59, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Perfect? Wow, that's a relief. Thanks! --Jgmikulay (talk) 15:46, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

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Cesky Terrier
Hi, I just posted on the talkpage of User_talk:Sillydog2 and the IP User_talk:166.137.156.162 about what seems to be an ongoing edit conflict at the Cesky Terrier article and noticed you had warned both against the problem. I have had no involvement in the conflict (or even the breed - it's gundogs I know more about!).

I have tried to re-word the section from an entirely neutral point of view, posted on the article talk page and also on the IP and sillydog2's talk pages. I'm hoping (but to be honest it's rather doubtful) they will accept an outsiders attempt to resolve it or at least take a discussion to the talk page.

I bet I'll end up wishing I'd stayed out of it as they all seem pretty determined to stick to their own version of events but I thought it might be better to initially try this before it ends up having to be protected again.

I'm pretty inexperienced in Wiki but trying to learn as I go along, so I hope I've done the right thing.

SagaciousPhil  -  Chat  14:36, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Several lists on the Main Page are not using HTML list syntax
Hi. I thought you might be interested in this discussion regarding a number of lists on the Main Page that do not currently use HTML list syntax. --MZMcBride (talk) 18:45, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

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Tenby International School, Penang
Hello, just letting you know I removed the prod from the above article as it was previously proposed for deletion. Thank you. Rotten regard 23:34, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Where? There's nothing on its talk page. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:36, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Here you go, The old prod full template seems to be rarely used. Rotten regard 23:39, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. What's your basis for supposing that a four-year-old failed prod precludes one now? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:42, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:PROD step 2. Rotten regard 23:44, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Jchevali3244
Many thanks for your encouraging reply. I'm new to this. Spent many weeks revising the Participatory Action Research page and am glad to see it online. I will be contacting many leading figures in the field and ask them to read and contribute to this revamped page over the next few months, if they so wish. I may need your assistance, but so far so good. Any immediate advice? Jchevali3244 (talk) 11:48, 5 December 2012 (UTC)Jchevali3244]]

A quick question: the talk page for Participatory Action Research (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Participatory_action_research) includes discussions from a WickiProject Sociology dating back to 2005-2007, with no posting since then. It takes up a lot of space. Is it part of Wikipedia policy to keep these postings indefinitely? Thanks for your assistance.Jchevali3244 (talk) 13:34, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

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What a great training course!! TMarts (talk) 11:29, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

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Hi Andy, thanks for such fantastic training we had this morning. Craftshopshg (talk) 11:33, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi Andy - message from Bob
Andy, Many thanks for the training demo of Wikipedia Regards, BobRobert P Metcalfe (talk) 11:35, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Hello
This is the best training course I've ever been on. Winifredalison (talk) 15:12, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

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Infobox person
I'm not entirely sure what you meant with "Any such discussion should be about a policy for all our biographical infoboxes". You didn't mean an actual new policy page, did you?

Per MOS:INFOBOX, "Parameter names should be consistent between infoboxes", so it's already clear (like you said) that the proposed change and therefore the RfC/discussion will involve all the biographical userboxes.

I believe a central RfC at Template talk:Infobox person with notifications on all relevant boards and template talk pages would be perfectly adequate to gauge and record a consensus strong enough to carry this change. --78.35.245.52 (talk) 20:28, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

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OTRS - Harriett Baldwin image and related
Hi. You may recall that you reinserted the image of Baldwin that I'd removed and that you're the OTRS agent (or have access to the info) for the image. I wanted to ask your advice about images like this one.

My issue with this, and a bunch of other images, is that they were uploaded by socks of banned User:Marquis de la Eirron. The user has a particular preference for official images of politicians - uploading them under a large number of socks to wiki and/or the commons. In some cases - quite possibly the majority - I'm sure the copyright of these images is utterly fair: increasingly many of them fall under the OGL. I have some concerns, however, that there are a number of cases where the user has either claimed rights that aren't there (or aren't clear) or has, frankly, claimed to be the author or outright lied about the rights that exist. For example, I suspect that the image used on the Claire Perry page was uploaded by the same user - he seems to have been using one off uploaders recently. It's an official portrait and is claiming "own work" (another feature he's used on occasion - there are host of recent MP images which seem to have been deleted in similar circumstances which claimed "own work" - I'm not sure if you can see anything regarding deleted images, but the one which existed until recently on the Jake Perry page was, for example, uploaded by a very similar user iirc). The exif on the Perry image, however, clearly claims a different user to the one claimed in the commons upload - this isn't always the case, but I suspect there are a variety of images where Marquis de la Eirron is responsible for uploads.

Which is where I get stuck. It may be the case that the OTRS on the Baldwin image is utterly fine. But I have some concerns that, frankly, it may be stuff the user made up. I've also got some concerns that we ban a user - for really good reasons - and then allow uploads that user made to be used because they got moved over the the commons - all of which seems to be encouraging the user to invent more socks and reinsert the same images.

I don't know the best approach here and wondered if you had any suggestions you could make. One approach might be to use official portraits uploaded once each government department moves over to the .gov domain - under which it sees everything is governed by the OGL. This would cause a problem for past ministers potentially, but is one way to go forward. Quite what we do about the images left over the Marquis socks I'm less certain.

Anyway - thanks and sorry this is so long and convoluted Blue Square Thing (talk) 16:29, 14 December 2012 (UTC)


 * The OTRS permission on the Baldwin came from a parliament.uk email address, with which I corresponded (so was demonstrably not spoofed). I have no view on the other images.   Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:37, 14 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks - feel *much* better about that one at least Blue Square Thing (talk) 19:53, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Fanie de Jager
Re - Fanie de Jager.

I would like to add the above name to the following categories. Unable to do this by myself. How do I go about doing this.

The categories are:


 * South African opera singers
 * Operatic tenors
 * Afrikaans-language singers
 * Afrikaner people
 * Living people
 * South African male singers

Many thanks. Martin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JaqMar House (talk • contribs) 21:28, 16 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Done; and article published.  Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 00:51, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Would it be appropriate to add a national flag next to the wording South Africa below the first photo?

How do I go about doing this? Many thanks. Martin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JaqMar House (talk • contribs) 22:11, 16 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Per WP:MOSFLAG; no. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 00:52, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

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Hi there

I saw this edit:

Could you tell me more? I thought we don't use symbols like TM and (R), as noted in Trademark. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 17:26, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Why, then, do we have that template? Do feel free to apply WP:BRD, though. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:40, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
 * You noted an OTRS ticket in the edit summary, that's why I'm asking. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 22:57, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, thank you, thank you....
Hallo Andy,

Thank you so much for publishing our brand new article, Fanie de Jager.

How do we go about checking to see how many times the article has been read?

Also, please advise us how to translate the article in - Afrikaans, Belguim, German, Italian, etc.?

Many thanks. Martin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JaqMar House (talk • contribs) 23:06, 17 December 2012 (UTC)


 * See statistics. For translations, Translate us. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:19, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Change photo from BW to Colour
Thanks Andy,

Re: Fanie de Jager.

We would like to replace the top photo from BW to the colour one, as we now have a colour photo available to use.

How do we do this?

Many thanks. Martin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JaqMar House (talk • contribs) 18:43, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Have you uploaded the photo to Wikimedia Commons? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:48, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Andy, sorry I cannot remember. Could you perhaps give us the link? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JaqMar House (talk • contribs) 19:04, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Kole Imports Wikiepedia Page _ Any help greatly appreciated.
Dear Andy,

Regarding the Kole Imports wikipedia page: I put up as many articles I could find that have a url - the rest are in print and I don't know how it would work to scan/send over. The articles were written by 3rd party sources about us in industry publications but they are being deemed as Marketing Spam or "Crap".

Is there any way the page can be stripped to just show name, founding date, basic history, and 1 line stating what our business does and where we import from?

We have been around for over 30 years and have helped the dollar industry become what it is today, we were one of the first importers of dollar goods from China and partnered with 99 Cent Only Stores to make them what they are today. I feel that people should at least be able to look up our history because it has helped shape/change things. Even before getting this job, I looked at the Kole Imports wikipedia page to get insight into and facts about the company.

I definitely see the way it is now as being slightly spammy and there is much that should be taken down. What if it only had this up until we could find notable sources, "According to the Better Business Bureau, the company was founded in 1985 by brothers Rob and Danny Kole." ?  Could that work?

Please, let me know. Any help is greatly appreciated!!

Best, April Rae — Preceding unsigned comment added by Springbreeze13 (talk • contribs) 20:11, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Joint biography and WP:CAT
Hi. At Template talk: Authority control you added remark "+1" about putting redirects in categories.

I am not ready to make any category, redirect or merge suggestions and this isn't about Authority control or its template so let me reply here.

Concerning my own example joint biography, Janet and Allan Ahlberg:
 * Now i see that 21 February 2012‎ Pichpich has put the two Ahlberg redirects in appropriate categories, and removed substantial article, per WP:RCAT. (edit Janet) (edit Allan) (edit joint)
 * How painful. Thus visitors to the biography see no cats but those deemed appropriate for the joint article alone rather than the redirects. [For editors that will include some categories that pertain to individuals only. For example,, because the joint biography rather than redirect is where the data should be.]
 * That doesn't work for readers or editors. No surprise, the Ahlberg joint biography is back in all of its February categories, and more (in four June/July edits, the last two by me). --P64 (talk) 20:40, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Re: Fanie de Jager
Hallo Andy,

I have changed the main photo from BW to colour.

There is a file name above the image. Could you please remove it for us.

Many thanks.

Martin — Preceding unsigned comment added by JaqMar House (talk • contribs) 20:53, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

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Gadget Boy (2013 TV series)
Hey, I'm not able to see the OTRS ticket for this, mind giving a little background? I don't need excessive detail or anything. Thanks! Peace, delldot   &nabla;.  02:27, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, never mind, someone else already helped me figure it out, it's gone. Peace,  delldot   &nabla;.  02:43, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Info-boxes
Andy, (so sorry about my idiotic confusion about your username chez Solti the other day) as you are keen on info-boxes may I ask for your help on an info-box question? When I began upgrading the article on Alec Douglas-Home, there were two clashing info-boxes, one on politics and one on cricket, – different widths and it all looked ghastly and messed the layout up something shocking. I couldn't find a way of making the latter merge with the former, and took a chance and left the cricket box out. It would be good to have it back (I am strongly pro userboxes for cricket articles, as they are clearly helpful to the reader) and if you have any suggestions for merging it with the existing box it will be esteemed a favour. Regards. – Tim Riley (talk) 23:16, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * It's always a little awkward where we have two infoboxes about on subject in an article, but there are so few instances it's probably not worth the effort to develop a technical fix for all cases. Were Infobox officeholder based on Infobox, it may be possible with some changes to it, to use the cricketer infobox as a module (a sub-template). but since it;s not (yet), that would require conversion, first. that would require discussion on Infobox officeholder's talk page. Otherwise, I'm ambivalent about whether or not there should be a second, separate, cricketer, infobox in this article, but a reasonable approach would be to canvass opinions on its talk page. I know what you man about Infoboxes' helpfulness to the reader; that's why the Solti box should be restored. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:46, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for that, Andy. I think I may have raised the point in passing at PR or FAC on the Home article, but I'll certainly follow your advice and raise it now on the article talk page. (I have a fleeting memory of seeing somewhere something about combining info-boxes, and with luck someone may steer me in that direction from the talk page.) With best wishes, and grateful thanks for your colleaguely response. Tim Riley (talk) 20:09, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Precious
  Thank you for quality contributions toward "improving, standardising and rationalising templates, especially infoboxes" such as the growing one for Bach's compositions, for "gently reminding ... don't own sections of Wikipedia" to freely share in the sum of all knowledge: you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:02, 20 December 2012 (UTC) Why, thank you. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:49, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #37
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
 * Development
 * Deployed fix for 42956 on wikidata.org that caused problems when using the site in French in Firefox
 * Updated demo system
 * Fixed some bugs in wbsearchentities
 * Removed empty aliases structure from wbsearchentities
 * Heavy Selenium testing of statements UI
 * Improved overall usability and responsiveness of the statements UI
 * Implemented remove functionality for statements in the UI
 * Refactored and added tests for language links handler in the client
 * Bug fixes in the client
 * Improved SiteLinkTable class in WikibaseLib and added tests
 * Started work to improve AbuseFIlter integration
 * Added logic to find all referenced entities for a given set of claims
 * Added serialization of referenced claims to output of entity pages
 * Diff Extension: Split off diffing code from MapDiff and ListDiff to dedicated Differ classes
 * Diff Extension: Added dedicated patcher classes, which are used for the getApplicableDiff functionality
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 * Representing values 1 2 (including a prototype to try out the current state of discussions)
 * "Wikidata: People And Bots Busy Filling The System In Phase One"
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 * Office hours (logs for English and German)
 * Wikidata talk as part of a lecture on knowledge management in Karlsruhe
 * upcoming: 29C3
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 * Announced the expected date for deployment on the Hungarian Wikipedia
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 * Video of the Wikidata talks at Wikimania 2012 is online now
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Template_talk:Infobox_officeholder#Formatting of name & honorifcs
I've got a bot ready to remove  tags at the end of parameters in infoboxes and before honorific-suffix. I have prior approval to fix WP:CHECKWIKI problems and this is covered under id#59.

Magiolidits did most of the work. However he is going to be busy for awhile and asked me to do it.

Before I do it, I thought I'd ask an expert about it. Is it ok to run? Should I wait until approval is granted to remove the small tag? Anything else you can think of? Bgwhite (talk) 03:11, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I guess one run is better than two; but what approval is needed, to remove the small tag? Oh, and don't forget to add a space, if necessary, when removing the  . Thank you.  Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:32, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I like to get all my ducks in a row before doing something. In this case, it is a "drastic" change that will anger a few people, so I really want things to be kosher. I'll start doing some test runs today and if everything looks fine, start the bot tomorrow. I'll tell you when everything starts up. Bgwhite (talk) 21:53, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I've started the bot and it is off and running. I did about 500 test cases.  The only problem found is if the br tag is before a small tag at the end... honorific-suffix= Jane Doe .  Bot will remove small tags, but not the br.  This can be remedied at the next database dump in 12 days.
 * The edit summary message I'm leaving is: Remove br/small tags from honorifics in Infobox per Template talk:Infobox officeholder.  br tags now in infobox code. Line spacing will be altered in infobox code once tags are gone.
 * Oi vey, I have a feeling alot of complaints will be coming to my talk page. Bgwhite (talk) 18:58, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I suggest you refer any such comments to the template talk page. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:06, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

The initial run of 8,500 names is complete. This run contained any article whose honorific began with and/or tags. There is a WP:CHECKWIKI error that contains any parameter in an infobox that ends with. There are 24,000 articles than fall under this error and the majority are not biographies. The bot will run on these cases next. This should handle any honorific that ends with, but did not begin with or. So, any adjusting you need to make to the line spacing can be done. Man it is sure is ugly with no space between the lines. Bgwhite (talk) 07:44, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Once we've got the markup crud out of the way, I hope we can have a sensible, centralised, discussion about how honorifics should be formatted, across all, our biographical infoboxes. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:04, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

I am a bit confused
about a recent edit of yours at Carleton W. Angell. You appear to me to have added a category, "Date of death missing" but the date is in the article and as a category. Or am I missing something? Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 18:39, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
 * We have the year, but not the date (e.g. 23 April). Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:50, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Ah ha. Since this is an article of interest to me, I shall go looking. Carptrash (talk) 18:57, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I see you've found them; but please cite your sources. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:22, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I've added the source, but I must say that you have your work cut out for you if you are going to request sources for all birth dates. I suggest that you try Barak Obama next. Carptrash (talk) 18:51, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
 * It's a core Wikipedia policy. As for BO; see Barack Obama. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:54, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

That would be "The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material,"? Sorry to bring up BO, I just an skeptical that many biographies include references for birth/death dates. However I will check and have no problem being wrong. Carptrash (talk) 19:18, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Nadolig hapus
 Martinevans123Santas Grotto wishes you and yours "Nadolig Llawen a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda"

May the true spirit of Christmas bless you with warmth and peace ....

Season's tidings!
To you and yours, Have a Merry ______ (fill in the blank) and Happy New Year! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 20:57, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you, all. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:20, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

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Querying your position on notability
Hi Andy, I am wanting to understand how we can differ so much on Wikipedia's notability (WP:BIO) policy.
 * On Articles_for_deletion/Rev._Samuel_Gibert_Scott, why would you argue for retention of the Scott article? (I can find no reason to keep it.) I also think it odd that you created this article from AfC immediately after it was declined by Avs5221 for the same reasons it has now been nominated for deletion.
 * At User_talk:Romariem you have argued that the two obituaries on Dunlop offer notability for Dunlop, yet the one I could read had no content indicating notability. Are you saying the fact that Dunlop has these two obituaries is in itself grounds for notability?

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 * The sources in each article satisfy WP:ANS. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:51, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

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Hello! I finally finished converting List of public art in Milwaukee into your fancy table system, and I made it live yesterday. If you see anything there I could improve, please let me know. All in all, I am happy with how it looks, and I am very grateful for the improvements to the table format/template--thank you! --Jgmikulay (talk) 04:40, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks good. I've made some tweaks; chiefly that Coord's name parameter should not be used inside Public art row. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:08, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

New HTML5 elements
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Infoboxes
Hi Andy. I made Template:Location map South Georgia. But most of the articles in Category:Mountains and hills of South Georgia have no infobox or map. Could you or somebody who know copy the Mount Cunningham and Admiralty Peak examples and add infoboxes/pin maps to the others?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  14:45, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Location templates aren't my forte, sorry. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:41, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

File:DrOliverMcGee.jpeg
Hi, you handled the permission for the file File:DrOliverMcGee.jpeg, but in the process the license. Was this a mistake? — ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  00:51, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. Now fixed. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:52, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Not appropriate
goes against WP:TALK, specifically WP:TALKO. Please stop editing my comments. I can format them the way I want. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:21, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * This is your response to a discussion where I called you out for making an unsubstantiated allegation against me, and challenged you provide evidence or retract it? Shame on you! Don't return to this page until you have done one of those things. Oh, and WP:TALK says "Some examples of appropriately editing others' comments... Fixing format errors that render material difficult to read". Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:36, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Geolinks template
I have converted all instances of Geolinks-US-streetscale to Coord in the mainspace. (There are still some instances on old talk pages.) Should we delete the template now? •••Life of Riley (T–C) 00:45, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I've boldly done that; asking in the TfD how talk page instances should be dealt with. Good work - thank you! Now for Geolinks-US-buildingscale... Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:06, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

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Sent in August
Andy,

I sent the package of tags in August. Very sorry if you haven't gotten them.

BTW, do you work with templates? I'm interested in adapting Template:external media to include a "display photo" - just an image file (any image file) that will display just like an ordinary image file around a bit of text. There' a bit of a discussion on this at WT:GLAM/smarthistory mostly on placement of the template, which it currently says in the template's documentation should be in the body of text. Any opinion welcome, or just sign up on the project page! Smallbones( smalltalk ) 02:16, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

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