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Clarification sought on use of Talk pages to resolve edit disputes
I wonder whether you are able to help on this.

For the first time I am trying to resolve a dispute with another editor by discussion, following the procedure recommended on the page, Dispute Resolution. To start this I posted on the other editor's talk page, explaining I wished to initiate a discussion, and he replied briefly on my talk page. The discussion is now likely to become quite detailed and extensive, so if we continue in this fragmented manner it will be difficult for anyone else to follow. Should we continue on a single talk page, e.g. mine, with each of us adding new posts (or editing the previous one) or should we transfer the discussion to the talk page of the material in dispute? --Socialambulator (talk) 11:49, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Most editors prefer to concentrate discussion on one talk page; whether it's one or other of your talk pages, or that of the article concerned is less critical, but I suggest the latter is bast. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:32, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks.

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WP on hand-held devices
In an earlier exchange of views (apropos of info-boxes – pax!), you mentioned how WP looks on hand-held devices. May I ask for your thoughts on a related matter? I have lately been PR-ing Description of the Western Isles of Scotland, and commented "On my screen (a smallish one) the pictures after [xxx] cause a four-inch gap of white space before [yyy]." My smallish screen is a desktop affair, not a hand-held device, and I wonder: Any comments gratefully received. Tim riley (talk) 20:01, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
 * is it helpful to comment on white space in layouts when WP appears on so many different-sized screens?
 * are there any guidelines for placement of images with hand-held devices in mind?
 * In the first case, generally, no. In the second, no; Wikipedia's mobile view displays images thus: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Description_of_the_Western_Isles_of_Scotland Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:11, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. I'll pursue accordingly. Tim riley (talk) 21:13, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

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Old unresolved at Template:Election box.
Just answered another question on the Template talk:Election box page and saw your old unresolved issue there about hcard microformats. Didn't know if it was still an issue, since the question was several years old, but thought I'd look into it and reply. Hope this helps. Thank you. -- JoannaSerah (talk) 15:03, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Some hlist help
I've been busy reimplementing Compact ToC to use hlists. The sandbox shows what I've got already, which almost perfectly matches the old behaviour; however, I'm having difficulty getting centring working (see the test cases). Any thoughts? Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:56, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Richard Wagner
Richard Wagner was born on 22 May 1813, a reason to celebrate. His article is up for FAC.
 * I suggested an infobox, in my sandbox, please look. How would I start a new line for the translation of a title?
 * I suggested template lang, and even "permitted" to add it to Wagner, - do terms get marked the first time or every time?
 * What I don't like in infobox person: Work(s), Spouse(s), these brackets. Could we have work or works, spouse or spouses, as we have page or pages in cite templates? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:30, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

to create new lines. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:05, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree about brackets; that's a perennial discussion at Template talk:Infobox person. In a meeting; so will look at other issues later. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:59, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Non-English text should be marked up with lang at each occurrence. You can use
 * thanks, new lines done, more to come, I am sure. - In general: I read in the FAC about "not a FA requirement", - how can we influence the FA process to at least encourage accessibility, if not require it for new articles? Can you tell them specifically what to reach for? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:05, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I've tried, and will do again, to do so in small steps. The recent changes on headings was a good move. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:36, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Congratulations to your impressive milestone, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:32, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:36, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Timeline
I like the timeline concept in Wagner. How would that be applied to Infobox Bach composition, more than one entry possible for both "composed" and "performed"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:33, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you have an example? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:17, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I use it in BWV 18, but it doesn't show right because the template expects date_composed and location_composed. I am not sure how to change the template. The equivalent field in Infobox person looks complicated ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:25, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I have now 4 performances in BWV 82 which will be on the Main page tomorrow, please check. There is a "–" showing because of "location", I am not sure how to get rid of it, chaging the template, without creating a mess. The cantata will be on the Main page tomorrow, the other one a little later ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:51, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * That parameter is only set up for one performance; I'd just list the first. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:18, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The problem here is that you're putting a timeline inside another timeline. expects two parameters, date_performed and location_performed, which are then fed into . However, in Ich habe genug, BWV 82, you're leaving location_performed blank but passing a plainlist (containing four s) through date_performed. If you want to show multiple performances, I think that you need a separate parameter which accepts ready-processed data, and which doesn't attempt to do further processing on it. -- Red rose64 (talk) 18:20, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you, both! I kept the template simple, please check, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:53, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Dates
In start date and end date, I could imagine a parameter saying &nbsp or not, because sometimes I would want to force it, sometimes not. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:37, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * You can use February 1, 2012 . Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:15, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I thought of this but would prefer to have an option --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:42, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes. See Template talk:Start date. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:51, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Brackets
Distantly related to Wagner, Ulf Schirmer, I bet you can fix the [] in the url of ref "Schott" #3? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:56, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Not if I . -- Red rose64 (talk) 17:16, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * thanks! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:25, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * (in brackets, this is closer to Wagner, who gets there first? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:50, 8 February 2013 (UTC))

Template {Persondata} in joint biography
Hi. More than five years ago you concluded one bit of Wikipedia talk: Persondata (where the Template talk redirects) regarding use of template Persondata in joint biography.

I have skimmed the archives and cross-referenced the five-year-old with two more recent discussions at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Persondata. The latest is one year old, concluding with Rich Farmbrough's suggestion that multiple templates should be completed because they do no harm as far as we know.

--P64 (talk) 23:42, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #44
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Courtesy heads-up
Hi Andy - FYI, I have mentioned you in my statement opposing Carrite's request for adminship (see #37 under Requests for adminship/Carrite). Prioryman (talk) 21:09, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

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Talkback
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COI, QRPedia
hi pigsonthewing, i usually have big respect for what you do around wikipedia and write in wikipedia. but in the case of QRPedia, it would be nice, if you would stop edit the article QRPedia. as you state yourself that you "are one of the persons behind QRPedia", this might be perceived as a clear conflict of interest. as you know the turmoil around QRPedia, it might be wise to let people work on this article, who are not as deeply involved as you are. i'm leaving this notice here, because Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents to request an editor block suggests to discuss it first here. --ThurnerRupert (talk) 23:36, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm fully aware of our CoI policy, and comply with it. You should familiarise yourself with our policy on writing about living people, before you breach it again, or make threats. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:41, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Repeated blanking on content that's unfavourable to you? I think you need to re-read WP:COI. Andy Dingley (talk) 00:56, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
 * That's a blatantly false allegation. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 00:58, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
 * No, it's not blatantly anything. This whole mess is a fog of suspicions and half-truths, encouraged by WMUK failing to act when it needed to and by your COI editing of this article. Maybe the whole QRpedia issue was innocent, maybe it's not true that you have to "pay a consultant to get your town covered on Wikipedia". However the actions of some WMUK members since these issues first arose, and their failure to defuse the issue when it was trivial, have now created an atmosphere of suspicion as to just what was going on. Your repeated blanking of content that looks as if you're trying to further suppress this coverage continues to fan the issue and make it worse. Andy Dingley (talk) 01:17, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I make no comment, here, about your views on Wikimedia UK or the wider case, nor have I removed anything on that basis; I removed material from one article, which was a clear breach of WP:BLP, having already been removed from that article by another editor for that reason; about which an uninvolved editor has advised you at WP:BLPN, and for which your allegation was both blatantly false and unwarranted. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 01:26, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

FYI
Edit warring to make a page look bad while it is in deletion discussion is not acceptable. I left a short note at ANI as I am going to bed now. Hans Adler 00:44, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I didn't make any pages look bad. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 00:46, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

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infobox hotel
Ping. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 13:52, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Pink Floyd—The Wall
There is a rename discussion at Talk:Pink Floyd—The Wall. Since you are sourced in the article and are familiar with Wikipedia naming policy I think your opinion would benefit the discussion. Betty Logan (talk) 23:24, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

monmouthpedia and qrpedia
hi. you that monmouthpedia is not based on qrpedia. but. would you mind clarifying please? if monmouthpedia is indeed not based on qrpedia, then the article on monmouthpedia needs corrected. 174.141.213.8 (talk) 07:51, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I do not "state otherwise". "Using" != "based on". Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:49, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

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Notification of discussion
A few months ago, you participated in a discussion on Wikipedia talk:Did you know about Gibraltar-related DYKs on the Main Page. I am proposing that the temporary restrictions on such DYKs, which were imposed in September 2012, should be lifted and have set out a case for doing so at Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Gibraltar-related DYKs. If you have a view on this, please comment at that page. Prioryman (talk) 22:03, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

non-infoboxes, but *boxes
I understand the concept of the Infobox, and happy to see them, but i feel the need to complain about the apparently random naming, for i have found: Campaignbox, chembox, drugbox, Geobox, hockeybox, infobox, Kent_College_Infobox, Mtnbox, navbox, Pfam_box, Planetbox, Pwcompanybox, Quote_box, Reactionbox, starbox, superherobox, Superteambox, taxobox, WPMIXInfobox, and wrugbybox. Note i mention the "infobox" as distinct from "Infobox". I feel that making up new names for an Infobox is sabotage against sharing the data in the boxes, because in the search for the "Infobox" on a topic, "superherobox" is going to be missed.

I'd also like to rail against mentioning in the tag that a specific {{Infobox template was used, as a text search for the "{{Infobox" header will trip up on that mention.

Also, there is random use of the "|" divider, sometimes many on one line, some at the end of a line, some at the beginning of a line, and this makes parsing somewhat difficult if you are trying to not ignore the "\n" used inappropriately too.

I am also not fond of the nesting of {{ }} in each other, perhaps {2, {3, or {{ and {{{ can be used? I can parse the {{ blah {{ foo {{ blarrg }} bar }} bloof }} (i did not write Template:Blarrg in that nest, wikipedia added it there) out of the page ok, but the nesting gives me the crawly skin that something is going to go wrong with an unclosed }} somewhere, because after all, there's already unclosed "{{Infobox" within.

75.120.28.171 (talk) 06:22, 14 February 2013 (UTC) aikat
 * This is not the place to raise such issues. Try WP:VPT. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:31, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but when i saw :

{{quote|If you wish to be involved in this project, please add yourself to the below list and/or add the userbox: {{tl|User WikiProject infoboxes}}. To tell us all a little about yourself, please list any infoboxes that you have been significantly involved with: Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett: Particularly interested in accessibility; standardisation issues; merging similar infoboxes; and adding microformats to infoboxes - see the microformats project}}

I assumed you'd be interested in the non-standardization in Infoboxes going on.

75.120.28.171 (talk) 19:48, 14 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I am; but you came here to "complain about the apparently random naming" and "rail against mentioning in the tag" and so on. This is not the place for that. Besides, I watch the relevant project pages. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:04, 14 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Ok, i am clueless. I'll back out of the "If you wish to be involved in this project..." part as well, even tho i did parse the entire wikipedia article download and discovered this problem. I'll just work around the various issues (bugs or features) without contributing my time or fixes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.120.28.171 (talk) 20:14, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #45
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 * Deployment to English Wikipedia
 * Fix various minor bugs in client, including watchlist toggle with preference to default to always show Wikidata edits
 * Added the new Baso Minangkabau Wikipedia (min)
 * Fixed wrong revision of statements being shown in diff and old revision view
 * Diff visualization for claims (simple version for main snak)
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 * Tooltip that notifies about the license your contributions will be covered by while editing (can be disabled by each user)
 * Started with valueview refactoring
 * Started with user interface handling of deleted properties
 * Started with refactoring of local partial entity lookup
 * Started with refactoring of toolbar usage in jQuery.wikibase view widgets
 * Finished improvement on jQuery.wikibase.claimview’s edit mode handling
 * Improved search by using entity selector in search field instead of normal MediaWiki search field
 * More work on Lua-based templates for entities
 * Specified the capabilities of the query language we need
 * Created query object
 * Proper bot-flagging of edits (44857)
 * Use of ID to directly address an item or property
 * Search should give more of the complete matches now
 * Special:ItemByTitle should work for canonical namespaces and later on for local namespaces
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 * We’re still working on the issue that sometimes editing of certain parts of items or properties isn’t possible. If you’re running into it try to reload the page and/or change the URL to the www. version or the non-www. version respectively.
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Authority control categories
I'm doing the changes now, can you get the categories created? -- WOSlinker (talk) 21:31, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Working in it. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:35, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I did a few of them myself as well. All done now I think. -- WOSlinker (talk) 22:05, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Not all those templates you wanted the changes making to are protected but I did them all anyway. -- WOSlinker (talk) 22:07, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I think they should all be protected. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:11, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I've added the protection & removed the parent cat from the template. -- WOSlinker (talk) 22:19, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you again. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:30, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Finnish exonyms for places in Norway: Finnmark for deletion
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Nomination of Finnish exonyms for places in Norway: Troms for deletion
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Wikidata
You been monitoring the developments of it? I see a bot is creating entries on wikidata so the interlinks will no longer me needed. I understand the next phase will be listing data for infoboxes. Any idea if there is a plan to have a single infobox for all wikipedias feeding off the same data? That would be a good idea I think but I'm not sure people are willing to give them up in favour of something centralized.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  11:09, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * AFAICT, the decision-making process hasn't got that far. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:45, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * It could potentially be done though couldn't it?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  12:02, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes. See also Wikidata - you may wish to join discussion on the talk page there. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:10, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

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Language templates

 * I just noticed your (cough) discussion with Ryulong about language templates here. The templates wrap the enclosed text in lang="(whatever)" HTML tags. The effect of this is to (1) tell the browser what language is enclosed, so the browser can use an appropriate font, and (2) improve accessibility by telling screen readers what language to read.
 * To explain (1): (a) Japanese encoded in Shift JIS but without the proper HTML language tags is usually displayed as garbage, as the browser usually can't guess what language it's encoded in, (b) some Chinese and Japanese characters share the same Unicode code points (same character codes), but the Chinese and Japanese versions of the character are noticeably different, so the lang tag is needed here, so that the correct font is used. (c) Latin characters embedded in Japanese text look really gross unless the Latin characters are wrapped in the proper language tags, because the Latin characters included with standard Japanese fonts are really gross looking. The special templates for Japanese and Chinese tag the Japanese- and extended Latin-character parts separately so that they are displayed with appropriate (nice-looking) fonts. If your PC doesn't have the special Japanese fonts that come with Japanese Windows then maybe this is not a problem for you. Does that explain it sufficiently? LittleBen (talk) 14:23, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * All non-English text in this Wikipedia (and non-base-language text on others) requires a  attribute, regardless of the font or characters used, per the W3C's HTML specifications, and as I explained in that discussion.  Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:19, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Romanizations don't count and never have, Andy.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 15:20, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Ryulong's right: Romanizations are the English-language equivalent of foreign-language words, and are read by screen readers as English. "Tokyo" and "Kyoto" are English-language romanizations, they are not foreign-language words. Complex diacritics are a different story: some POV-pushers on Wikipedia will tell you that French, German, and even Vietnamese names of people and places are really English—and so it's OK to use them in the body of articles, or even in article titles, without templates—which is nonsense. By way of example: Recently the Vietnamese government switched to using only romanized versions of names of people and places in English—so now all major English newspapers (inside or outside Vietnam) and all major encyclopedias use only romanized versions of Vietnamese names without exception. However, the POV pushers are systematically creating articles that don't have romanized versions of names either in the article title or the article body—they use only Vietnamese names in article title and body, and no language templates—and they are stacking RfMs and eliminating romanization such that it is surely impossible for somebody with a screen reader to read the articles. LittleBen (talk) 16:05, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #46
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
 * Development
 * Deployed new features and bugfixes including diffs for statements and the ability to enter items and properties by their ID
 * Updated demo system
 * Database maintainance (Wikidata was in read-only mode for a bit)
 * Implemented first version of a string data type
 * Worked on better error reporting from the API
 * Ported Lua function mw.wikibase.getEntity to Wikibase extension
 * Worked on making the search box suggest items and properties while typing
 * Improved the behaviour of the entity selector (thingy that lets you select items and entities)
 * Improved debugging experience in JavaScript when dealing with prototypical inheritance
 * Worked on cleanup of local entity store
 * Generalized generation of localizable edit summaries
 * Discussions/Press
 * Wikidata development will continue in 2013
 * Wikidata Phase 2 in Full Swing
 * RFC about the Wikidata API
 * Lots of discussions about certain properties and how they should be used. Current state is at d:Wikidata:List of properties and new ones are being discussed at [d:Wikidata:Property proposal]]
 * RCF about amending the global bot policy for Wikidata
 * Proposed changes to Wikidata’s notability guidelines
 * Events
 * office hour including a report on the current status of Wikidata (log)
 * upcoming: Wikipedia Day NYC
 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * Deployment of phase 1 (language links) on all remaining Wikipedias and a small update on Wikidata are planned for March 6
 * Great page for editors to learn about what phase 1 means for them
 * Cool tool visualizing family relations based on data in Wikidata
 * “Restricting the World” (first in a series about some design decisions behind Wikidata)
 * List of most used properties
 * OmegaWiki is using Wikidata to get links to Wikipedia articles
 * Nyan Nyan Wikidata Nyan Nyan
 * We’ve hit Q5000000
 * Had a look at d:Wikidata:Tools lately?
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Messiah
I added a few parameters (from Bach) to Infobox musical composition and used it here, please check if I broke things, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:28, 20 February 2013 (UTC) In Structure of Handel's Messiah you shouldn't use the location for publisher names; use event. I've fixed that. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:39, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks OK to me, except that you've hard-coded a link to List of Bach cantatas and the template is used on articles about compositions by composers other than Bach. Best, perhaps, to move the legend to a separate page. See the "legend" link on Netherton Tunnel Branch Canal for an example.
 * Thank you, I'll think about the legend, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:20, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Help with template variable
Hello, I've contacted you as I've found your name on the list of WP:templates. I have created a new award I desperately need assistance with in its template. template sandbox because looking here advanced templates i think the answer to my dilemma is in there but my coding background is limited. What I would like is a variable added to the usage format of the template such as a 'revert count=' or just 'count=' and you can say 3,4,5,6,etc. and dependent on that returns the string i put in the template such as; 3 lousy reverts were exchanged, 4 combative reverts were exchanged, 5 heroic reverts were exchanged. Anyway thanks in advance for any assistance. Sincerely, Geremy Hebert (talk &#124; contribs)  —Preceding undated comment added 11:29, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
 * nvm I've resolved the issue. Geremy Hebert (talk &#124; contribs) 00:40, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Infobox Monastery
Hi Pigsonthewing, I've been trying to update and expand Template:Infobox monastery to make it look like what is proposed on it's Discussion page, but I've got little or no idea how to do it. How can I do it? Can I just copy and paste certain sections from Template: Infobox church? Other than updating the template documentation, what else do I need to take account of? Any help with this would be terrific. All the best, Pjposullivan (talk) 17:31, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

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Wikilinks
I find the Kosovo article project very interesting, but you have to wikilink those articles throughout wikipedia otherwise they won't be accessible. In order to find them I had to check WP Albania's recent articles bot.-- — ZjarriRrethues —  talk 19:31, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #47
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. Read the full report &middot; Unsubscribe &middot; Global message delivery 00:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Development
 * Extended diff view to include references now
 * Fixed bug where incorrect statements revision was shown in diff view
 * Added first version of Linked Data interface (RDF/XML); will be accessible from Special:EntityData
 * Updated the demo system
 * More work towards using Solr for our search
 * More investigation and fixes of search issues
 * Fixed several bugs in the entity selector and improved its behavior
 * Worked on refactoring of how our widgets use the toolbar
 * Worked on implementation of missing data model components in JavaScript
 * A lot of bug fixing
 * Events
 * Wikipedia Day NYC
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 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * Rollout of phase 1 (language links) on all remaining Wikipedias is still planned for March 6
 * Next update on wikidata.org is also planned for March 6. This will have bugfixes and if all goes well string as a new available data type.
 * Proposal was made to the Hungarian, Hebrew and Italian Wikipedias to be the first batch to use phase 2 of Wikidata (infoboxes). Scheduled timeframe for this is end of March
 * d:Wikidata:Database reports has some useful reports like the list of most used properties
 * The interwiki shortcut :d was changed to always use www in the resulting link (to prevent editing issues on other URLs).
 * The list of available properties is growing and a whole bunch of new ones are being discussed
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Tourism in Kosovo
Hi there POTW. You probably don't realise the problems you caused me personally on Tourism in Kosovo when you reverted me. Although your statement that I should discuss changes is technically correct, ordinarily it should have been the other party that tried for consensus first given that his edit - despite providing new material - radically amended the article to a form that would not be acceptable and could easily land an editor with an WP:ARBMAC warning (as I have been on since 2012). The Balkans are a sensitive issue, Kosovo doubly so. There are two reasons I cannot discuss changes here, the first is because it is impossible to hold a discussion with account whose catalogue [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/MarigonaK. is this in full]. The second is because I am aware of Kosovo-based policies as an experienced editor and it would not take an administrator versed in dealing with Balkan-issues long to establish that removal of the Kosovo-template is a major blooper. It was created precisely as a disclaimer so as not to broach the political elements which are the elephant in the room - to proponents of Kosovan independence, Kosovo is a state; to opponents, it remains a Serbian province subject to UN Res 1244. As editors, we are neither allowed to present "Kosovo is a country, the newest country in Europe blah-blah-blah" any more than "Kosovo is a Serbian province held by rebels in breach of UN 1244 blah-blah" but these are the two actual standpoints over which world nations are split. Much of the rest of the other user's editing pertained to this sensitive issue.

Be that as it may, I have taken into consideration your summary which acknowledged a good faith contribution and it is visible that a lot of information was added. To this end, I have on this occasion restored the neutrally-worded version along with the extra material provided by MarigonaK. I think (99% sure) I have restored everything. If not it is only because the process of handling two such different revisions is difficult and never did I know when installing Safari what a nuisance that browser is. I never intended to wipe out the masses of statistics when restoring my edits - that happened by itself. It has a mind of its own and my Explorer works like absolute trash, that's the reason my summaries ALL contain missing letters (when using Explorer) from where it fails to register and my typing is too far ahead. There must be corrupted files in this laptop. Either way, I was just writing to let you know that my intentions really are in good faith and if there is anything I can do to improve the article, just tell me - I will definitely look into it, it's better than mass-reverting which brings us back to square one. Thanks. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 11:46, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your recent changes; though I would urge you to reach out in a collegial manner to the new editor and to welcome and open a discussion with them, assuming good faith. You appear to have left a broken reference, which you might like to fix. Wikipedia's "preview" function may be useful to you, to review edits before you commit them. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:53, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Andy - since you're happy first first name association you are free to call me Stefan. I'm still examining the article from top to bottom so there may be a handful of edits yet. I'll try to repair that broken link. As for the editor, yes I am 100% in agreement with you that all users should extend the hand of friendship, I don't suspect this is a bad-faith editor but I have this strange inclination that the person with the account is not new and that we won't see another contribution from it. I could be wrong and if so, I will certainly communicate warmly with him or her. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 12:10, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Bingo! The same source was being used twice with varying format by the editor. That's done, thanks for being patient. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 12:27, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Your suspicions are misfounded; the editor is one of a group if young people I recently taught to edit Wikipedia. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:21, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Well you personally know this, I don't but I take your word anyhow. I wish that user well. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 12:11, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Duration
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Shuaip Pasha`s House
Well, i must say that we have a little problem over there. Shuaip Pasha`s House - Almost half of that stub is identical copyvio from here. Then, article needs inline citations to verify content. Then you should use Kosovo note on it, and then article names, like Prizrenska Bistrica and League of Prizren, instead of error red links. Only then article should be linked with the rest of wiki content. Please, as i understand that you are taking care of that new group of editors, try to help them to follow established wiki guidelines about neutrality and WP:AT. All best. -- WhiteWriterspeaks 14:29, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm curious for the basis for your assertions that inline citations are required; that red links are errors; or that I should do anything on that article. What have you done to welcome and support new editors? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:32, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I have already edited more then several articles in order to present the way articles should look like. But if other editors should run over all new artices and fix them, we are not on a good way. If you wish, i can talk to them about errors in their articles, but i wanted to tell you, as i understood that you where the one who tough them ? Then, it would be by far useful if you inform them, then i, or anyone else.. That was my idea. -- WhiteWriterspeaks 14:36, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Anyway, i will fix this one also, if that would help anyone... -- WhiteWriterspeaks 14:39, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I didn't ask you waht you'd edited, I asked you about welcoming new editors. I'm quite happy to talk to you about their edits, but not for you to make assertions about what should be done, which appear to be based on a false reading of Wikiepdia policies and practices, or which appear to be instructions. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:42, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Interesting... -- WhiteWriterspeaks 15:06, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #48
<div style="margin-top:10px; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. <div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">Read the full report &middot; Unsubscribe &middot; Global message delivery 18:51, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
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 * More work on widget to add language links on the Wikipedias directly without having to go to Wikidata
 * Bug fixes for Wikipedias, including:
 * don't show edit link when noexternallanglinks magic word suppresses Wikidata links (45037)
 * use Q## links instead of linking to Special:ItemByTitle for “edit links” link (44536)
 * preference for showing Wikidata edits by default in watchlist (44973)
 * Catching up on writing tests for untested functionality
 * More work on the Lua support for accessing data from the repository (wikidata.org) on the Wikipedias
 * Updated Wikidata’s Vagrant development machine
 * Created initial QueryStore interface
 * Created initial setup code for the SQL QueryStore
 * Discussed and created initial schema for the SQL QueryStore
 * Simplified code for client settings, including which namespaces can have Wikidata links. The default is now all namespaces, without needing to explicitly specify them in the settings
 * Improved code for sorting interwiki links in the clients, with step towards allowing the communities to specify custom sort orders per Wikipedia
 * Improved handling of deleted properties
 * Further work on replacement for current search box
 * More work on improving error reporting and edit summaries in the API
 * Tim and Aaron killed the mystery bug that caused corrupt login tokens (41586)
 * Discussions/Press
 * Hacker News noticed we exist
 * RFC about opting out of global sysops or not (more RFCs d:Wikidata:Requests for comment)
 * Asked the Italian, Hebrew and Hungarian Wikipedias if they want to be the first to use phase 2 (will ask a few more to join the first batch later today)
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 * We’re now live on all Wikipedias with phase 1 \o/
 * Deployed bugfixes and a new data type (string) to wikidata.org
 * How will Wikidata impact Wikipedia?
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