User talk:Pigsonthewing/Archive 40

Template:Marriage
As you perhaps saw, the TFD for Marriage got closed as "no consensus". After examining the way this template works, I've proposed removing many of the parameters that many of the TFD participants found unnecessary, problematic, objectionable, etc. The proposal is in the "Removing parameters" section of Template talk:Marriage; would you please go there and offer your opinions? I apologise for the boilerplate style of writing; I'm doing my best to notify all participants in the TFD equally, so I'm copy/pasting the same thing to everyone's talk page regardless of how they voted. Nyttend (talk) 02:30, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Improving Iain Banks
You have been one of the most active contributors to Iain Banks. As you may know, he is going to pass away in the near future :( Perhaps you will be interested in the initiative to improve his article as a parting gift from us. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:04, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

St Francis of Assisi Church, Handsworth
Thank you for making the article better by removing the unnecessary content - not sure why the Assistant Priest was removed, but I trust it was for the best. I put something on this talk page a while back about Template:Infobox monastery, I want to update it, but not sure how, is there a wizard or something similar I could use to make the changes proposed in the template's talk page? Pjposullivan (talk) 15:58, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

You do realize
That changing documentation for a template requires consensus and that an essay does not change that. Odd that you decide to change it after being in a dispute with another user in using such on an article.  — Statυs  ( talk,  contribs ) 21:19, 15 April 2013 (UTC) ), Plainlist or Unbulleted list should be used. This emits the correct HTML markup...''". Your edit summary that "this is not a list" was laughable. Now go and discuss this on the relevant talk pages; as you have so far failed to do, even though policy requires it be done. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:29, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, has WP:BOLD been suspended, then? You're trying to make up your own rules. You should read WP:UBLIST, which is a subsection of WP:LIST, and part of WP:MOS. It says "''For lists of... items, without bullets (for example in infobox fields, or to replace lists separated with
 * It doesn't appear I said "this is not a list" anywhere, so I'm not sure where you're pulling that one from. Oh, yes, indeed, same to you. I think that "Don't get upset if your bold edits get deleted" might be of some interest to you. You made a bold edit, it was reverted. You don't revert again. If you want this WP:LIST thing as part of the infobox, then start a discussion for it to be included and it can be implemented on every song article on Wikipedia.  — Statυs  ( talk,  contribs ) 21:48, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Apologies; I mistook you for Tomica. I started a discussion on the article talk page on 4 April, and on the template talk page today. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:54, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem. Let's keep this on the template page, as that's really what it boils down to.  — Statυs  ( talk,  contribs ) 21:58, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Church
I tried infobox church on some, with mixed results, Lichtental Church, St. Ulrich, Vienna, St. Martin, Idstein, St. Bonifatius, Wiesbaden, Unionskirche, Idstein, please check. Do we get different colours for nominations? Why has the Protestant one a heading "Clergy" when nothing is there? Would there be way to suppress these headings, for a more compact box? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:23, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I think the "clergy" header (they all have it) is a bug; I'll investigate. Probably best to take your other header question to the template's talk page. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:29, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Can you tell me what to do about the coords? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:42, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Bug fixed. Looking at coords now. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:58, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:21, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Commons: GLAM-link template
Now fixed. Tested with GRC- NAGW and QSMM. A lot of inline documentation added. File:QSMM Exterior 2800.JPG shows it in use with new QSMM text. Do check the wording. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 22:00, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 * That's great. Thank you. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:36, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

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Wikidata weekly summary #54
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 * Development
 * Dispatch lag is now down to 0 so changes should show up very quickly on the Wikipedias in watchlists and recent changes
 * wikidata.org now always redirects to www.wikidata.org. This should among other things solve the issue where people were not able to edit when on wikidata.org (45005)
 * Fixed weird blocked-user/protected-page handling in UI (45140)
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 * GLAM-WIKI 2013
 * upcoming: office hour on IRC about sources
 * upcoming: Opensource Treffen
 * upcoming: intro to Wikidata at the British Library
 * Discussions
 * RfC about references and sources
 * RfC about local oversighters
 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * Deployment of phase 2 (infoboxes) on English Wikipedia is planned for April 22. All remaining Wikipedias are planned for April 24.
 * Qualifiers are available now. In the same update several bugs have been fixed mainly related to Internet Explorer 8. At the same time search has been made case-insensitive. More details here.
 * d:Wikidata:Notability has been completely rewritten
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 * List of Wikipedia articles that still have language links in the wiki text
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FYI
This HERE may be of interest to you. I don't know if you are still an admin but, of course, if you can lower the restriction yourself, better yet! Regards, My name is Mercy11 (talk) 02:33, 20 April 2013 (UTC), and I approve this message.
 * didn't protect that page; did. -- Red rose64 (talk) 08:17, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXXV, April 2013
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Proposal for updating WP:INDICSCRIPT
--Bejnar (talk) 23:38, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia Signpost interview
Hi, Andy -- would you be interested in taking part in an interview about the use of geocoordinates in Wikipedia for the Wikipedia Signpost? The interview page is at Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom/WikiProject desk/Interviews4. We've only had two participants so far: it would be great to have a third. -- The Anome (talk) 09:58, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

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Citing a website
Hi Andy, if I'm using the cite web template, when adding the field Work do I need to include the fact that it's a website? So e.g. here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Porter_(poet)#cite_note-3 I am citing an article that appeared on the Guardian's website (as opposed to in the print version of the newspaper - it may of course have appeared there as well but I've found it online) so I have specified 'The Guardian website' as the Work - is this correct or should I just use 'The Guardian'.

An associated question: when citing an article such as that one, should I use the cite web, cite new or cite journal template? It seems that all three categories could be applied to articles on newspaper websites.

Thanks for you help!

simontcope 08:06, 25 April 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slim cop (talk • contribs)
 * No; the presence of a URL indicates that. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:28, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

OK, thanks, will no longer do that. Any advice on my associated Q?

simontcope 15:52, 29 April 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slim cop (talk • contribs)
 * The Guardian being a news source, you should use and it's a good idea to use The Guardian with that, instead of The Guardian (but it's not crucial, since they are aliases). -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:07, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #55
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 * Development
 * Started working on support for the Time data type in the frontend (editing/displaying of time values)
 * Fixed copyright tooltip’s issues where it was not possible to dismiss it
 * Started work for making it possible to track where on the client a property is used
 * Work on dispatching changes to Wikipedias via the redis job queue
 * Introducing core hooks to allow us to avoid page re-rendering when language links are changed
 * Implemented automatic comments for setClaim (adding/setting claim, adding/removing/changing qualifiers)
 * Investigated issue where edit conflicts are detected in error
 * Fixed wrong revision shown in history-view
 * Events/Press
 * A lot of articles about the deployment of phase 2 on all Wikipedias among them: Wikipedia-Datenfundus Wikidata geht in den Regelbetrieb, Wikidata goes live worldwide, Wikidata-revolutionen är här: Möjliggör strukturerade data på Wikipedia
 * Wikimedia switching to MariaDB in c'T (German): Wikipedia wechselt von MySQL auf MariaDB
 * Office hour about references (log)
 * Introduction to Wikidata - talk at the British Library
 * OpensourceTreffen in Munich
 * Upcoming: Hypertext 2013
 * Discussions
 * RfC about vandalism
 * RfP for oversighters
 * RfC about interproject links interface
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 * Phase 2 has been deployed on English Wikipedia and all remaining ones
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GLAM pages on en
Hey Andy, there's a few of us at the GLAM boot camp session in D.C. discussing how to better organize GLAM content on en. We are looking for some feedback from UK folks on how they would like content related to UK represented/organized. We are currently working on the pages in the WP:GLAM/... path. Thoughts, The Interior  (Talk) 15:02, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * (driving-by) The current "front page", which I think came out of a NY boot-camp a while back, is pretty dreadful - like phoning your electricity company. There should be more information and links on the front page rather than just a button menu with 3 choices. Prominent links to the newsletter are needed. If we could all make up our mind where GLAM content lives that would be great. At the moment UK stuff is scattered over several wikis. But that won't be sorted today. I hope you've asked WierSpielCheckers, the WMUK Glam person. Best of luck! Johnbod (talk) 16:00, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Audio project
Hi Andy, I read about your voice recording project some time ago. I think it's a great initiative which will add another dimension to biographical articles and would like to incorporate this into GibraltarpediA. Hopefully we can get a few Gibraltarian voice recordings in English, Spanish and maybe even Llanito... Can you point me towards the correct Commons category please? --Gibmetal 77 talk 2 me 11:01, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * That would be good; please see Commons:Category:Voice intro project. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:11, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Bach composition
Discussion about how to render scoring, I will look for your thoughts here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:13, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

My comment at the top of the VIAF ID category.
Not to be offensive, but completely deleting it like that was rude. As I mentioned, in that namespace normal 'style' rules don't apply. I specifically asked people to edit it if needed, but NOT to completely delete it.

I had, as I mentioned, JUST sent VIAF a note to look at what I said. Moving or something (with a redirect) would be fine, but not completely removing it.

The specific thing I am EXPLICITLY trying to prevent, as I mentioned in my mail to VIAF, is someone trying to 'automatically' fix this possibly creating hundreds of thousands of incorrect authority control entries and links to redirects.

This would be extremely bad! Revent (talk) 20:32, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The rudeness was in your using a category page as a vehicle for your personal messages. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:46, 30 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I have seen suggestion and discussion of various 'autofix' ideas on at least five talk pages scattered around WP, which have included links to even more old archived talk pages where people mentioned the same thing. The idea of autofixing this repeatedly comes up all over the place, including buried in Talk pages of articles where some random 'drive-by' editor notices missing authority control metadata. Unless something about it is said here, someone trying to be helpful might accidentally break WikiPedia.
 * There was absolutely nothing 'personal' about what I was trying to get across. I think that's pretty clear. If you had a problem with how I said it, you could have edited it.
 * I am putting it there in exact compliance with what's said in the header, and WP:IAR applies to complaints about it being mentioned there. If you have a problem with something I said or how I phrased it, EDIT THE DAMN THING as I asked. Revent (talk) 20:54, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Specifically look at WP:Don't delete the main page, please. Revent (talk) 21:00, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Repeatedly reverting me is in direct violation of WikiPedia policies, especially as you have not attempted to address my attempt to point out why mentioning it there is appropriate. This is not a 'personal' attack or anything, but you seem to be trying to start an edit war over this. The idea that my edit was not (or would not be) seen by one of the people watching that page or live edits is ridiculous. If someone else has a problem with it, they can delete it, and that would show a consensus that I am wrong. WITHOUT CONSENSUS OR DISCUSSION, THE DISPUTED CONTENT (though as an ADMIN category, it's not really content) REMAINS UNTIL THERE IS A CONSENSUS THAT IT SHOULD BE REMOVED!

The only 'justification' that you have given is 'I was rude' and 'Not here.'. You have made no attempt to do as I specifically asked and either edit it, move it, or even point out a location where it would achieve the specific goal of making sure that someone who tries to helpfully fix the problem does not break WP. I think it's important enough that SOME mention should be on the actual page, in case someone trying to autofix it doesn't notice it on the (possibly archived in the future) Talk page.

I am going to put it back, for the many reasons I have stated. As I have repeatedly said, you can feel free to edit it. If you completely delete it again, you will be in direct violation of WP:3RR, and I will report you. If you continue to have a problem with it being there, you should raise the issue on one of the Admin Noticeboards, though I doubt that is necessary, as I am sure my edit will be, or has been, noticed by many admins. Revent (talk) 21:52, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * You appear to misunderstand, or misrepresent, several Wikipedia polices. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:14, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * An attempt to do anything other than violate WP:3RR (which I specifically warned you against), like actually DISCUSS THE DAMN THING WP:BRD would have been a good idea. I am not going to put it back again, but am going to address this in other ways. Revent (talk) 22:22, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * QED. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:45, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. The thread is User:Pigsonthewing reported by User:Revent (Result: ). Thank you.

This is redundant, since I said I would report you before your last revert, but required. —Revent (talk) 23:46, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Your underhand attempt to win a content dispute by making an unwarranted and hypocritical report has been rightly rebuffed. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:01, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

QSM
Hi Andy, I wondering how you are doing for volunteers? I feel I should get involved because it is right on my doorstep, but I'm super busy right now and would have to make time for it. --Trappedinburnley (talk) 16:56, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * There are still some places available. You'd be more than welcome, and it would be good to see you, but please don't feel obliged. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:26, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I hope everything went well yesterday, it's a shame I couldn't make it. If you do another in the future I'll try my best to attend! In the meantime if there are any related articles that could benefit from some local knowledge, I'd be happy to help. --Trappedinburnley (talk) 12:45, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you; we had a really go day (and nice cake!); I'm sorry you couldn't make it. I hope we'll be doing more in the future. Meanwhile, why don't you introduce yourself to the museum manager as Wikipedian? I'm sure they'd make you welcome. There's a list of suggested articles for creation or improvement on the project page. You can sign up there as an interested party, too. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:53, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

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Hello from Walsall
Wow. WendyGrowler (talk) 10:45, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

hello from walsall
hello. Editorial453 (talk) 10:45, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello from NAGW
I am in awe. Vanitasmarching (talk) 10:46, 2 May 2013 (UTC)vanitasmarchingVanitasmarching (talk) 10:46, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

New Art Gallery Walsall
Hello Andy.Jambrown (talk) 10:46, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

WOOOWWW
Grateful for the insight into this area...yam cool!

Shakespearian (talk) 10:46, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #56
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 * Worked with students on their Google Summer of Code proposals
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 * Worked on improving the DataTypes system
 * Working on better Continuous Integration strategy
 * Moving Selenium tests to Cloudbees & Saucelabs
 * Catching up with Selenium tests
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 * 7 users requesting access to the oversight permission
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 * Bugfixes were deployed on wikidata.org. The ones you probably care about are:
 * when clicking "edit links" on a Wikipedia article the user is automatically taken to the language links part of the item. Hopefully it is now more obvious how to change the links.
 * fixed a few cases where edit conflicts where detected in error
 * added automatic edit summaries for adding qualifiers and claims
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Flatlist
When I use flatlist, as in BWV 37, the infobox gets very broad. Any help? As for my "needed re-integration" into teh community: 1) thanks for noticing, 2) I try to keep an article talk free from personal remarks (was not successful for Bach), 3) there is no chance that I even want to be integrated, even if I modified my red cat saying so to the more mellow one I still keep ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:22, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Items in flatlist are nowrap by default. I fixed it by adding |class=hwrap. — Edokter  ( talk ) — 10:42, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you, seen and used for BWV 36 also, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:00, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

King Kong
I have corrected some inaccuracies on this page having visited the sculpture last week and conducted research on the it. The previous owner's son Richard Shanley(Carl Racey never owned it - it was Mike Shanley)has confirmed two Birmingham sites which are backed up by photos and video (Gangsters series and ATV broadcasts/interviews). I have referenced Facebook because that is where this information sits. It is no more unreliable that anywhere else I might choose to publish. Please do not undo the changes unless you can disprove the evidence. I'm not savvy enough to load photos and links as citation but feel free to do so on my behalf off my site https://www.facebook.com/SaveKingsHeath?ref=hl

Kind regards,

Jeremy Paige, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.102.139.43 (talk) 14:23, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:RS (Facebook does not meet that requirement) and WP:OR. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:19, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Facebook refs removed - maybe you need to remember the real purpose of Wikipedia. To perpetuate inaccuracies because of protocol is unhelpful. All you had to do was remove the refs.

Kind regards,

Jeremy Paige. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.102.139.43 (talk) 20:41, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

It is so simple. I am trying to alter the page so it is correct. The locations are wrong, the owner is wrong and all I am trying to do is contribute to the page. I'm not 'snide', I'm not anonymous and have nothing to gain. I've removed the refs and you persist in publishing an inaccurate page. I give up, I hope you are proud of your shoddy research. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.102.139.43 (talk) 21:05, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Another snide comment. I ask you, for the second time, to read WP:RS and, for the third time, to read WP:OR. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:32, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Oh dear, we are a bit sensitive aren't we? I'd love to know how your 'reliable' citations have allowed you to publish inaccuracies and false information, although I note you have at least conceded that the sculpture is no longer in a Penrith car park. I'll not bother you again, you are welcome to the so-called community of Wikipedia, I'm off to the real world. Bye. Jeremy Paige. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.102.139.43 (talk) 10:37, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Another snide comment. I note that you or someone using the same IP range has now provided references that comply with WP:RS. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:21, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

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Maybe animal infoboxes could be merged?
Hi Andy. Please check User_talk:Frietjes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:58, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Book links
Hi Andy Thanks for today's event at Queen Street Mill. It was great to see so many people and that they were all busy learning more and editing in the afternoon. I've updated the Robert Rawlinson page to add a retrieved date to the newspaper link which I forgot to do before I left QSM. I've added more references and will look more at the newspapers online and the printed material in the library collections. I've been looking at the Lancashire Book of the Year page and have made one update to add the link to Lancashire County Council. I'd like to add links to the OCLC Find A Book in libraries site but not sure if they would be best added as References, Bibliography, External links or something else, Can you advice please.

Thanks - Carolyn 5istanbul (talk) 17:52, 4 May 2013 (UTC)


 * It's good to see you still editing! Do you mean an OCLC link for each book? If you include ISBNs, the library links will be available from them. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:35, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Vienna Philharmonic
Thanks for restoring those comments.. Would you care to explain exactly what is achieved by having aduplicate move request to the one at Talk:Berlin Philharmonic. Requested_moves quite clearly states that "discussion for all affected articles is held on the talk page of the article at current1", which in this case means Talk:Berlin Philharmonic. In any case both of those users have added their comments to the correct talkpage. Green Giant (talk) 23:53, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * You should address your question to the person making those comments. Your assertion of correctness is bogus, and does not justify you removing others' comments. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:10, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Newbies and user talk page notification
You won't be surprised to hear that Steven Walling of the WMF, in full IDHT mode, dismisses your report of your class as "totally biased" and (the classic way to dismiss data one doesn't like) "a small sample". Just for interest, how many were in the class? JohnCD (talk) 09:21, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I've asked him for an explanation. There were five or so in the class, though I didn't message them all; and about a dozen in yesterday's, ditto. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:03, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of William Roberts & Co of Burnley
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Ashdod QRcode
Hi Andy, thank you for your comment and for the QRcode. Yes, you are right, there are 4 ordinary codes.

We were just experimenting with the graphics, and used QR type with a blank center for a logo or for a language flag. Will replace it soon by a "kosher" code.

By the way - would you consider developing a QRpedia code with place for logo? It will look better bearing the symbol of town, logo of museum etc. May be even the Wikipedia logo. A project will have a unified/unique look, different from any neighbor.

thank you Yoram Shoval Mr.Shoval (talk) 19:26, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
 * That's certainly something to bear in mind; but remember that use of the Wikipedia logo requires WMF approval, which, regrettably, they have said they will not give. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:47, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

RfC:Infobox Road proposal
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Nbound (talk) 07:10, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: April in the UK
Hello Pigsonthewing, You have written before for the newsletter This Month in GLAM. I see the UK is missing regarding the edition about April 2013, do you perhaps have any idea what GLAM activities were done in the UK in April? Can you perhaps write about those? Or do you know who I can ask to write about it? Thanks! (Deadline of the April edition is 8 May.) You can start writing at the page GLAM/Newsletter/Newsroom. If you wish to be informed by e-mail next time, please write me at this page. You can reach me the best at nl-wiki talk page. Greetings - Romaine (talk) 08:03, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * PS: Certainly also about GLAM-WIKI in London would be nice to read about that. It was nice to have meet you again! Romaine (talk) 08:19, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Oscar Wilde's tomb
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Paget Rangers Page
Hello,

Ive tried to add the references etc at the bottom of the Paget Rangers Wikipedia page but am not sure if I have done it correctly.

I am the owner of the club, hence why I have been trying to update the page

cheers,

Matt — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.169.126.116 (talk) 19:49, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I've made some changes, but notability really needs to be established, per WP:42. Also, please be aware of WP:COI - and you might like to sign up for an account. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:28, 6 May 2013 (UTC)3

GA advice
Hi Andy

One of my friends at the Natural History Museum (User:Llivermore) has been working on the article for Coreus marginatus, I was looking on Wikiproject insects and saw your name. He would like to get his article to GA, if you can offer any tips to him that would be super. --Mrjohncummings (talk) 16:12, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: April 2013
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Health & Morals of Apprentices Act 1802
Hello! Thanks for edit on the article; though I have no idea what you changed =S Haha.. Please do add to the article if you can! Thanks again, Staceydolxx (talk) 21:55, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I applied {{Start date}] so that the hCalendar microformat will include the date. Thanks for a great article!  Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:57, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link to the hCalendar.. I looked and still have no idea what all that means! But I am glad you were able to contribute something of use! Haha.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Staceydolxx (talk • contribs) 22:00, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

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Nbound (talk) 23:02, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello
Hi Andy,nice picture. Litsa - Walsall (talk) 12:54, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello
I am now a wikipedia editor. Janet Hughes (talk) 13:00, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Sorrow (Van Gogh)
The DYK project (nominate) 08:02, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Nice article, thanks. I changed van to Van before noticing that this is an absolute hornets' nest (see Talk:Vincent van Gogh/Archive 4 if you haven't already). Apologies. Not sure what to do now! I'd always assumed it was Vincent van Gogh, but Van Gogh when the surname alone was used; I now see that this is contentious, to put it mildly. Regards, Ericoides (talk) 10:47, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * On further investigation, I think you made the right call - your style is consistent with that of the article about VvG himself. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:54, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:GLAM/New Art Gallery Walsall
Just a heads-up but i may have to strike both mine and BlueStars83's names from this event early tomorrow as i've given him the cold i'm recovering from. Apologies ツ Je no va  20  (email) 10:14, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * That would be a shame, but thanks for letting me know. I hope you can make one of the other events. Get well soon! Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:29, 10 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much Andy ツ Je no va  20  (email) 10:48, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #57
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DYK nomination of Bancroft Shed
Hello! Your submission of Bancroft Shed at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 06:40, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Notifications
When you shorten a heading please make sure you don't remove the context. The specific heading wasn't just about RFC's in general but in response to the RFC at named page. Thanks.TMCk (talk) 01:35, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The old heading is quoted, in full, below the new one. When you crate section headings, please keep them short, for the benefit of those reading them. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:11, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * When possible I keep them short but in this case it wasn't w/o loosing the context of the thread. I'd be appreciated if you don't fuck with that heading again as I politely asked you before. Please don't make it a silly and unneeded edit war. Thanks.TMCk (talk) 23:44, 12 May 2013 (UTC) And I might add, if in case you feel offended by my heading let me know and I'll see if I can change it in some way that pleases you.TMCk (talk) 23:55, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I've again shortened the heading; yours is ridiculously long, and pollutes both the ToC and other editors' watchlists. I've also restored my comment, which you deleted. Removing others comments is highly unacceptable, and can lead to you being blocked form editing. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:54, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Are you done with blowing hot air? Good. Please try to avoid me in the future and don't lure me into your editwarring. Thanks.TMCk (talk) 17:42, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey, here's an idea: why don't you take responsibility for your own actions? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:53, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for William Roberts & Co of Nelson
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Template:ElSalvadordepartment
Hi, can you put this up for TFD and I'll follow suite.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  11:21, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:23, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for that, I think it's time we put the Switzerland one up again. What do you think?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  16:59, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Warning
As NYB explained already, filing this DRV was an abuse of process. I invite you to withdraw the disruptive DRV or I will need to block you until I have assurances that you will no longer disrupt the project by filing DRVs that you know in advance are an abuse of process.  MBisanz  talk 00:39, 14 May 2013 (UTC)


 * MBisanz, I think that might be a little too much. Andy acted misguidedly when he opened the DRV, but he was hardly being disruptive when he did so. How else could a non-administrator reverse another non-administrator's AFD closure except by using DRV? In any event, Spartaz has ended this whole silly affair by summarily closing the DRV, so further action by anyone would clearly be unnecessary at this stage. AGK  [•] 06:57, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * If I was misguided, how come the closing admin has revised the outcome and re-closed with a different result? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:18, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The result was substantively no different: the old article remains merged into the new article. All the rest is bureaucracy. AGK  [•] 11:06, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * On the contrary: the new closure "Withdrawn by nominator, merge was editorial decision and subject to usual editorial processes" ends with a very significant qualifier. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:12, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks AGK. Andy should have discussed it with NYB and MZM, as NYB asked and as is mentioned in our deletion processes before going to DRV, but I'm glad Spartaz ended it.  MBisanz  talk 12:07, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I did discuss it with them. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:13, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Since when have you enjoyed an exemption from WP:INVOLVED? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:00, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Where was I involved in the original AFD or DRV?  MBisanz  talk 12:07, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Apologies; I was conflating you and MZMcBride. Nonetheless, your threat of a block was hysterical over-reaction. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:13, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It would have been better if Pigsonthewing had articulated a more specific objection to MZMcBride's closing and what outcome he was seeking. Once Hobit put into words what he thought the problem was, the path to a resolution became clear. I endorse Spartaz's resolution of the matter and hope it has satisfied everyone's concerns. Newyorkbrad (talk) 14:01, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I did so, both in my opening comment on MZMcBride's talk page, and again in reply to your question on that page. Since another editor has now edit warred (ignoring my BRD edit summary) to prevent my undoing of the redirect, citing that AfD; no, the outcome is not satisfactory. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:26, 14 May 2013 (UTC)