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WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 3
Greetings! For this month's issue...

We have demos!

After a lengthy research and design process, we decided for WikiProject X to focus on two things:
 * A WikiProject workflow that focuses on action items: discussions you can participate in and tasks you can perform to improve the encyclopedia; and
 * An automatically updating WikiProject directory that gives you lists of users participating in the WikiProject and editing in that subject area.

We have a live demonstration of the new WikiProject workflow at WikiProject Women in Technology, a brand new WikiProject that was set up as an adjunct to a related edit-a-thon in Washington, DC. The goal is to surface action items for editors, and we intend on doing that through automatically updated working lists. We are looking into using SuggestBot to generate lists of outstanding tasks, and we are looking into additional options for automatic worklist generation. This takes the burden off of WikiProject editors to generate these worklists, though there is also a "requests" section for Wikipedians to make individual requests. (As of writing, these automated lists are not yet live, so you will see a blank space under "edit articles" on the demo WikiProject. Sorry about that!) I invite you to check out the WikiProject and leave feedback on WikiProject X's talk page.

Once the demo is sufficiently developed, we will be working on a limited deployment on our pilot WikiProjects. We have selected five for the first round of testing based on the highest potential for impact and will scale up from there.

While a re-designed WikiProject experience is much needed, that alone isn't enough. A WikiProject isn't any good if people have no way of discovering it. This is why we are also developing an automatically updated WikiProject directory. This directory will surface project-related metrics, including a count of active WikiProject participants and of active editors in that project's subject area. The purpose of these metrics is to highlight how active the WikiProject is at the given point of time, but also to highlight that project's potential for success. The directory is not yet live but there is a demonstration featuring a sampling of WikiProjects.

Each directory entry will link to a WikiProject description page which automatically list the active WikiProject participants and subject-area article editors. This allows Wikipedians to find each other based on the areas they are interested in, and this information can be used to revive a WikiProject, start a new one, or even for some other purpose. These description pages are not online yet, but they will use this template, if you want to get a feel of what they will look like.

We need volunteers!

WikiProject X is a huge undertaking, and we need volunteers to support our efforts, including testers and coders. Check out our volunteer portal and see what you can do to help us!

As an aside...

Wouldn't it be cool if lists of requested articles could not only be integrated directly with WikiProjects, but also shared between WikiProjects? Well, we got the crazy idea of having experimental software feature Flow deployed (on a totally experimental basis) on the new Article Request Workshop, which seeks to be a place where editors can "workshop" article ideas before they get created. It uses Flow because Flow allows, essentially, section-level categorization, and in the future will allow "sections" (known as "topics" within Flow) to be included across different pages. What this means is that you have a recommendation for a new article tagged by multiple WikiProjects, allowing for the recommendation to appear on lists for each WikiProject. This will facilitate inter-WikiProject collaboration and will help to reduce duplicated work. The Article Request Workshop is not entirely ready yet due to some bugs with Flow, but we hope to integrate it into our pilot WikiProjects at some point.

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Wikidata weekly summary #154
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. Read the full report &middot; Unsubscribe &middot; John F. Lewis 09:52, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Discussions
 * Open RfA: Aldnonymous
 * RfC: Review of "change datatype to monolingual" actions for some properties, Adopt Help:Classification as an official help page
 * Events/Blogs/Press
 * Redirects on Wikidata
 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * Tool by Magnus to find wrong nationalities on Wikidata
 * Where am I? (figuring out your location based on geocoordinates in Wikidata)
 * Map of French national parks
 * Histropedia published 5 query generator spreadsheets
 * Wikimedia's monthly GLAM (Galleries, Libraries, Archives, Museums) newsletter now includes a Wikidata report. The draft for the first edition, covering April, may be edited and your contributions will be welcome.
 * Did you know?
 * Newest properties: Baseball-Reference.com minor league player ID, Baseball-Reference.com major league player ID, road number, BAnQ ID, DSH object ID, Open Food Facts food category slug, Open Food Facts food additive slug, genealogics.org personID, Kaiserhof ID, addressee, National Portrait Gallery (London) person identifier, RSL book's identifier, name in kana
 * Development
 * Made label, description and aliases special pages easier to use
 * Bene* created a new Special:ListProperties special page to list properties by data type
 * Expanded our set of automated browser tests
 * Made language fallbacks work in more situations and more consistently. In particular, the entity selector now uses language fallback. This should benefit especially people who want to use Wikidata in a variant such as en-gb.
 * Continued work on the planned DataModel 3.0 release
 * Continued discussing and documenting future calendar model support
 * Continued work on our RDF generator
 * Continued work on usage tracking for labels on multilingual sites
 * Addshore worked on various issues regarding redirects
 * Addshore worked on a special page to turn an item into a redirect
 * Work on showing entity labels in edit summaries on history pages
 * Implemented change dispatching based on the new usage tracking mechanism
 * Fixed issue with page deletions on some Wikipedias not being reported to Wikidata
 * More work on straightening out date formatting and parsing
 * Fixed handling of scientific notation for quantity values
 * Term box: fixed bug causing stale info to be show, and another bug causing babel languages to be ignored sometimes.
 * Implemented access to other arbitrary items via the #property parser function
 * Bene* implemented check to make sure two properties can not have the same alias only differing in capitalization
 * Monthly Tasks
 * Hack on one of these.
 * Help fix these items which have been flagged using Wikidata - The Game.
 * Help develop the next summary here!
 * Contribute to a Showcase item
 * Help translate or proofread pages in your own language!
 * Add labels, in your own language, for the new properties listed above.

Tech News: 2015-17
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * There was sometimes a problem when saving a page in VisualEditor. It is now fixed on all wikis.
 * VisualEditor sometimes showed empty warnings for wikis using Flagged Revisions. This is now fixed on all wikis.
 * You can get the new version of the Wikipedia app for iOS. With it you can share facts with your friends.
 * If you write JavaScript, you should stop using importScript and importStylesheet.

Problems
 * There was a problem with Labs on Monday.

Changes this week
 * The new version of MediaWiki has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since April 15. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from April 21. It will be on all Wikipedias from April 22 (calendar).
 * Developers are renaming 1.5 million accounts. After that all accounts will be unique and will work on all wikis.
 * If your wiki has the auto-fill tool for citations, you can now use it when you edit a reference.
 * You can now give examples for template options in TemplateData.

Meetings
 * You can join the next weekly meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs are the most important. The meeting will be on April 22 at 18:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * You will soon be able to add and remove tags on edits.

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Wikidata and public art lists
Hi Andy, I hope you're keeping well. Thanks for your kind comments on the FLC review for List of public art in the City of Westminster, which has now been promoted! Further to this conversation, have you had a chance to think about ways of converting lists like this into Wikidata items? What do you think about the idea of linking to the Wikidata item below the Commons category, which would take up less space than a separate column? All the very best, Ham II (talk) 16:18, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Congratulations! Glad to have helped. I'll have a think about the conversion to Wikidata; and moving the "data" link, shortly. I wonder whether it might be better in the "Notes" column? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:09, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * That's a lovely list; congratulations. Alakzi (talk) 19:22, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Ham II, I support that it is a lovely list! Andy and watchers: it made me think if something similar could be done about lists of recordings, such as started here, - my version at the bottom, and I think "Role" and "Work" could go to one column, also "Issued/Date" and "Reissued". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:33, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * That would be doable. If you have separate columns, also for Conductor, Choir, & Orchestra, they'd all be sortable. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:50, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Separate columns make the thing very broad, - I don't see people sorting by orchestra ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:54, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Tennis event infoboxes
Hi Andy, can you take a look at these two infoboxes? Would it make sense to merge them with Infobox tennis event? It looks like there was a decision to merge a bunch of other tennis event templates last year - were these intentionally omitted? Alakzi (talk) 19:22, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * No, I simply wasn't aware of them. They should be merged as you imply. Shall I do the honours, or will you? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:43, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Done. Alakzi (talk) 20:38, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

parameters.py
Hi Andy - do you have any time to look at my newly-published script User:Alakzi/parameters.py? I'd like to convert it into a Lua module that'll produce on-the-fly reports of TfD merge nominations - eventually. I'm a complete amateur with Lua, so I'm hoping that someone will take notice and offer their assistance. Alakzi (talk) 02:32, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Would this interest you? Alakzi (talk) 02:42, 5 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Looks useful. I wonder whether more people might be able to use it if it was in Javascript, eventually as a gadget? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 06:50, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I think it'd be more accessible as a Lua module because anybody would be able to view the reports - imagine there being a link besides the present Tfd links to such a report on every nom. Certainly, we'd no longer have to suffer "parameter mapping required" !votes. ;-) Alakzi (talk) 10:06, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry; I wasn't clear. I meant Javascript rather than python. Your point is well made. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:55, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Can you think of anybody who might be interested to help with this? Alakzi (talk) 15:49, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Your parameters.py script looks good and does the job you want it to - well done! Can I remind you that python is running client-side, on your own PC and therefore has access to your filesystem. The implementation of Lua on Wikipedia is via Scribunto (mw:Extension:Scribunto) and isn't a complete implementation. It also runs server-side, of course, so is going to be limited to what it can access. In particular the access to filesysytems has been removed (mw:Extension:Scribunto/Lua reference manual ), so a Lua module would have to be implemented with a somewhat different algorithm from what you have used. I can see that you'd want a Lua module where you pass the names of two templates and then use your normalise/matching algorithms on the parameters within the text of those two templates to produce Wikitext as output. Lua has all the string-handling functions needed to deal with string matching and output (in fact, they are pretty much the familiar C/PHP libraries, see: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#5.4), but is rather more circumspect about how it interacts with existing pages. It does claim this though (at mw:Extension:Scribunto/Lua reference manual ): "If preprocessor syntax such as template invocations and triple-brace arguments are included within an argument to #invoke, they will be expanded before being passed to Lua.", so I suspect that there may be a way to get at the source text of a template, but I haven't found it yet. I'm no expert on Lua (or any other programming language), but I have been programming for around 45 years, so I can usually pick things up quite quickly. Anyway, I'll have a look at what is needed to allow a Lua module get the text of a template and report back if I find a solution. There might be something in Wikibase Client . Please don't hold your breath for it though! Cheers --RexxS (talk) 15:59, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me,. Yes, I anticipated that there won't be a way to - conveniently? - grab the source of a page. We might also have a bit of an issue with Lua's subset implementation of regexes, but maybe not. Alakzi (talk) 16:13, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I meant say "might be something in Wikibase Client", but somehow missed that out. I also find the subset of regexes a PITA, but so far have managed to work around them - it took me four lines of code to robustly replace the degree, minute, second symbols in a string with pipes, LOL (I'm sure it could be done quicker). --RexxS (talk) 16:51, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I've tried a few things - nothing's worked so far. Maybe this would work better as a tool on Labs, or something. But I'll be damned if I'm going through all of that trouble. Alakzi (talk) 23:58, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
 * It looks like the only way to do this is to combine  with   in the module's invocation, like so:  . I suppose this should be adequate; now, if I can bring myself to write some Lua. Alakzi (talk) 00:05, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia in the news
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=658758488#PM_.28BBC_Radio_4.29

Do you think you would be able to have a word with your BBC contacts about getting a version of the relevant programme portion under fair use, or at the very least an official Transcript?

(In my view it would constitute fair use under NFCC, as the use here would be for the purposes of clarification of coverage that occured in connection with journalistic coverage of a matter of public concern, and it would not be possible to discuss the controversy without referenc to the programmme portion concerned.) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:55, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

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Wikidata weekly summary #155
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. Read the full report &middot; Unsubscribe &middot; Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) 14:00, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Discussions
 * RfC: Opting out of Global sysops 2
 * Events/Blogs/Press
 * Wikidata emerges as central element of GLAM-WIKI 2015
 * ongoing: Coding DaVinci
 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * The question that started Wikidata has finally been answered! Thank you Markus! ;-)
 * Wikimedia Sverige adapted two brochures about Wikidata, one for GLAMs and one for researchers.
 * Bene* has been working on making Wikidata work nicely on mobile. You can check the current status on a demo system.
 * Amir could use your help with automatic transliteration of human names
 * Commons-WD: a tool to edit Wikidata based on a Commons category
 * Various improvements to the Primary Sources Tool including:
 * Edits made with it will now say so in the edit summary
 * It now uses the URL blacklist to not suggest low-quality references
 * Caching issues were fixed
 * Did you know?
 * Newest properties: Kiev street code, blood type, Perry Index, input set, SSR Name ID, SSR WrittenForm ID, INPN Code, Nasjonalbiblioteket photographer ID, distribution map, anti-virus alias, HathiTrust id, common name, Global Anabaptist Mennonite Encyclopedia Online identifier, Swedish district code, investigated by, US Federal Election Commission identifier, PSS-archi ID, Gaoloumi ID, draft pick number, GrassBase ID, electorate, owner of, Roud Folk Song Index, IPI Code, ISWC
 * There are a number of user boxes you can add to your user page to indicate interests and which wiki projects you belong to.
 * Development
 * On Tuesday, we are deploying usage tracking (no arbitrary access yet) to Dutch Wikipedia and French Wikisource, and subscription tracking on Wikidata. There should be no noticeable changes for users. These are necessary steps towards enabling arbitrary access in clients.
 * Worked on making language fallback work in the suggester (when adding a new statement or searching for an item)
 * More work on RDF output and the query service
 * Added Special:RedirectEntity for redirecting items
 * Investigated and working to fix JS bug on items with “invalid” values (92975)
 * Did work towards having entity ids in revision histories and in diffs linked with their label (like on watchlists or in the recentchanges)
 * Monthly Tasks
 * Hack on one of these.
 * Help fix these items which have been flagged using Wikidata - The Game.
 * Help develop the next summary here!
 * Contribute to a Showcase item
 * Help translate or proofread pages in your own language!
 * Add labels, in your own language, for the new properties listed above.

Tech News: 2015-18
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * All accounts are now unique and work on all wikis.
 * You can read a report from experts who tested the security of MediaWiki.
 * There was a problem between VisualEditor and an antivirus software. It is now fixed.
 * You can help test VisualEditor to see if it works in your language.

Problems
 * Some Labs tools had problems due to a software bug.

Changes this week
 * The new version of MediaWiki has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since April 22. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from April 28. It will be on all Wikipedias from April 29 (calendar).
 * It is now clearer that you can delete several rows and columns when you edit tables in VisualEditor.
 * You now see more information when you search for a template in VisualEditor.
 * You can now cancel when you add citations on desktop, or edit links on mobile, in VisualEditor.
 * You can now see the list of other formats for videos only after they're ready.

Meetings
 * You can join the next weekly meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs are the most important. The meeting will be on April 29 at 18:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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Template:Cite tweet
Would it be possible to add a  parameter to cite tweet? Mjroots (talk) 20:58, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Probably, but as that template has been wrecked since I wrote it, I'm no longer interested in maintaining it. I suggest you ask on its talk page.  Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:07, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Template:National Heritage List for England entry
Was that last move strictly necessary? There was some discussion about the name on the talk page (as you know). PC78 (talk) 20:11, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I was about to say the same thing. I have already changed circa 500 pages containing English Heritage List entry, NHLE and Heritage Gateway to National Heritage List for England. Now I'll have to start again.--DavidCane (talk) 20:25, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
 * No you won't; that's why we have redirects. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:03, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Andy, can you please answer my question above and explain why you feel a further name change was necessary? PC78 (talk) 21:36, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Blimey, it was a perfectly reasonable and straightforward request, I shouldn't have to keep asking. I'm trying to bring a bit of consistancy to this and a couple of other related templates, and the only outstanding issue is with regards to naming, so to that end a bit of clarification from you would be helpfull. PC78 (talk) 12:49, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

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Nomination for merging of Template:Infobox rail line
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Thanks for your thanks
Thanks for your thanks over my adding shortcuts to the 5 Pillars. It's always nice to get a bit of appreciation, especially from a Wikimedian as distinguished as your good self. Tlhslobus (talk) 16:51, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #156
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. Read the full report &middot; Unsubscribe &middot; Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) 14:22, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Events/Blogs/Press
 * Wikidata was presented at a Swedish Linked Data Network Meet-up in Gothenburg.
 * The most important Wikipedia pages
 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * P107 (main type) is finally orphaned and deleted, 20 months after deprecation. This was the first property used 1000000 times.
 * The royal baby was quickly updated on Wikidata. (her family tree)
 * New tool by Magnus: Find pictures on geography.co.uk, upload them to Commons and add them to Wikidata
 * All Van Gogh Museum paintings are now on Commons and Wikidata. Go go SumOfAllPaintings peeps!
 * List of topics with links in at least X Wikipedias
 * All French Senators matched using MixNMatch \o/
 * Did you know?
 * Newest properties: represented by, Netflix Identifier, maximum number of players, minimum number of players, CERL ID, Name Assigning Authority Number, Hall of Valor ID, ballots cast, eligible voters, catholic-hierarchy diocese ID, Wikidata example geographic coordinates, Wikidata example monolingual text, Wikidata example property, Wikidata example quantity, Wikidata example time, Wikidata example URL, Wikidata example item value, Wikidata example string, Wikidata example media file, Wikidata property example
 * Development
 * We rolled out usage tracking on the first two wikis (French Wikisource and Dutch Wikipedia). Users should not notice anything. More wikis will follow in the next weeks. This is the remaining step for enabling arbitrary access on wikis other than Commons.
 * The students team is working hard to get a first release of the improved constraint reports and checks against 3rd party databases out.
 * Ricordisamoa fixed the issue with long descriptions being cut off.
 * We fixed the focus flow in the property selector.
 * We improved the messages on Special:EntityData to make it more understandable.
 * Monthly Tasks
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Template assistance, please
I've created the inline template citation overkill. It should appear under hidden categories on the article page but it does not. How do I fix that or is it easier for you to correct this problem. I notice that you have much experience with assessing templates. Best Regards,
 *  Bfpage &#124;leave a message 07:30, 4 May 2015 (UTC)


 * You need to apply Hidden category to the category itself. I've . Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:04, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Suggestion
Hi Andy, I realize that you have a dim view of my comments about PlasmicPhysics's chemistry editing (not him). On a more positive note, It is very possible that you could recruit him to help with the many projects to which you contribute. He is an energetic editor with a good knowledge of the mechanics of Wikipedia. He would probably be an excellent ally.--Smokefoot (talk) 13:04, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-19
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Recent changes
 * You can now chat with other users in Phabricator.
 * There was a rare problem with VisualEditor. The text of another wiki could be added to your edit. The issue is now fixed.

Changes this week
 * The new version of MediaWiki has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since April 29. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from May 5. It will be on all Wikipedias from May 6 (calendar).
 * It is now easier to add a link in VisualEditor. You can see an image and a description about the page.

Meetings
 * You can join a meeting with the Language team. The meeting will be on May 5 at 14:30 (UTC).
 * You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs are the most important. The meeting will be on May 6 at 18:00 (UTC). See how to join.
 * You can join an event in France on May 22−25. You need to sign up before May 8.

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Books and Bytes - Issue 11
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Issue 11, March-April 2015 by, , ,

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 * New donations - MIT Press Journals, Sage Stats, Hein Online and more
 * New TWL coordinators, conference news, and new reference projects
 * Spotlight: Two metadata librarians talk about how library professionals can work with Wikipedia

Persondata RfC
Hi, I've posted the RfC now (here), thanks for your help. —Msmarmalade (talk) 07:39, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

EH listed building template changes
I've just mentioned your template expertise at Featured list candidates/List of scheduled monuments in Mendip/archive1 in relation to Template:English Heritage listed building header and Template:English Heritage listed building row and wondered if you had any comment?&mdash; Rod talk 19:20, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Person data essay
Hi, Andy. Could I suggest adding an entry similar to my "the purpose of the persondata template is non-obvious and adds an additional barrier of intimidation and confusion for new editors" comment in the Persondata removal RfC to your persondata essay? Also, if you want, you might wish to remove the first person from the phrase "Since I wrote the above". Cheers, Jason Quinn (talk) 19:59, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Done, thank you. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:24, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

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Wikidata weekly summary #157
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 * Discussions
 * Open request for adminship: Mbch331
 * New request for comments: Notability policy overhaul
 * Closed requests for comments: Conflict of Interest (no consensus), Speedy vs Regular deletion (stale)
 * Events/Blogs/Press
 * A study has been published about how Wikidata can help significantly improve the quality of medical content on Wikipedia. This is why we do Wikidata! \o/
 * MusicBrainz is migrating to Wikidata for Wikipedia links
 * Past: Open Data for Academics - some media available on Wikimedia Commons.
 * Upcoming: OuiShare Labs Camp in Paris
 * Upcoming: MediaWiki hackathon in Lyon
 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * The Wikidata Visualization Challenge has started. You can enter your submission until June 1 (23:59 CEST).
 * Denny has published a proposed breakdown of tasks for Wiktionary support incl mockups. Please read and comment.
 * The Wikidata Menu Challenge has started and goes on to May 27. Add labels, images and pronunciation audio to a list of around 290 items to help show off the power of Wikidata at a food festival.
 * Dynamic lists on Wikipedia based on Wikidata data
 * The Frick Collection and the Brooklyn Museum both have their paintings on Wikidata now.
 * The most distant known galaxy EGS-zs8-1 (Q19860435) has been discovered and added to Wikidata.
 * Reasonator has been restyled, to work better on mobile devices. It also has an enhanced display on first names (exsample: Paul)
 * Woah! Volcanos! (Help match the Smithonian's volcano identifiers with Wikidata) ;-)
 * Did you know?
 * Newest properties: Smithsonian volcano identifier, cathedral, hair color, Declarator.org ID, Web Gallery of Art identifier, list of characters, measured by, income classification (Philippines), Vox-ATypI classification, after a work by, spacecraft
 * Development
 * Access to data from arbitrary items is coming to the first wikis on Monday \o/ It'll be Dutch Wikipedia and French Wikisource.
 * Sneak peek at the current state of development for showing constraint violations on statements
 * Hovercards also show the target's label and ID now. (Try them by turning them on in the beta features section of your preferences.)
 * Continued working on RDF export
 * More work on making it possible to add a reference right away when adding a statement (and allowing the full statement incl references to be edited at the same time)
 * Did more work to make usage tracking possible on multilingual wikis (namely Commons)
 * Monthly Tasks
 * Hack on one of these.
 * Help fix these items which have been flagged using Wikidata - The Game.
 * Help develop the next summary here!
 * Contribute to a Showcase item
 * Help translate or proofread pages in your own language!
 * Add labels, in your own language, for the new properties listed above.

This Month in GLAM: April 2015
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Tech News: 2015-20
<section begin="technews-2015-W20"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * You can now make charts and maps on your wiki with the new "graph" tool. If you have an old browser, you will see images instead. It uses a tool called Vega; you can learn how to use it and write help pages for your wiki. You can use the Vega edit tool to make charts and copy the code to your wiki. Charts and maps use complex code and you should put them into templates. In the future, you will be able to create charts with VisualEditor.
 * You can apply for technical jobs to develop tools for the community.
 * The logos of all wikis are now in a new place. It will make pages load faster. You can still ask to change the logo. You can also use local CSS for brief changes.

Problems
 * There was a problem that caused slow editing.
 * Pages were sometimes removed from your watchlist in VisualEditor. This problem is now fixed.

Changes this week
 * The new version of MediaWiki has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since May 6. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from May 12. It will be on all Wikipedias from May 13 (calendar).
 * You can now use data from Wikidata on more pages. The page doesn't need to be linked to the Wikidata item. It works on a few wikis and more wikis will be added soon.
 * You should get fewer errors when you add files to Commons.
 * When you use an external link to link to a wiki page, VisualEditor now converts it to a wiki link.
 * When you add a link in VisualEditor, you see pages that match what you type. It is now easier to see where they match.

Meetings
 * You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs are the most important. The meeting will be on May 13 at 18:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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R from list topic bullets
Hi. In your edit summary here you said "WP:LIST applies. D not start with two "*"". However, the template automatically puts a level one bullet ("*") at the beginning of the  field, so the list is starting with a single bullet -- only the subsequent lines have multiple bullets. You can look at the following Redirect categorization templates that all use no asterix for the first item (since the template fills it in automatically) and two asterixes for the subsequent items:


 * R from other capitalization
 * R from misspelling
 * R from stylization
 * R from modification
 * R from plural
 * R to plural
 * R from alternative name
 * R from historic name
 * R from incorrect name
 * R from short name
 * R from more specific name
 * R from alternative language
 * R from diacritics
 * R from title without diacritics
 * R from birth name
 * R from personal name
 * R to anchor
 * R from file metadata link
 * R from shortcut
 * R from template shortcut
 * R from other disambiguation
 * R from duplicated article
 * R from move
 * R with history
 * R to main namespace/R to talk page/R to category namespace/R to template namespace/R to user namespace
 * R from fictional character
 * R from fictional element
 * R from fictional place
 * R from related word
 * R from phrase
 * R from book
 * R from domain name
 * R from song
 * R to article without mention
 * R to decade
 * R with possibilities
 * R from misspelling

I couldn't find a single other Redirect Categorization template that used more than one level-1 bullet. --Ahecht (<span style="color:#FFF;background:#00f;display:inline-block;padding:1px 1px 0;vertical-align:-0.3em;line-height:1;font-size:62.5%;text-align:center;">TALK PAGE ) 20:48, 12 May 2015 (UTC) PAGE ]]) 16:22, 13 May 2015 (UTC) PAGE ]]) 16:22, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Then they all need fixing, per WP:LIST. Check the source HTML - there are separte lists not one. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 07:57, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
 * To be accurate, Module:Redirect template puts an asterisk at the beginning of the returned text in line 51. This is a decision that assumes that the text displayed by the above templates is to be a list. If there were only one item, then it wouldn't be a list, would it? So the question now becomes "Why should subsequent items (i.e. the content of the info field) be a nested list within a list of one item?" To which there is no good answer.
 * If you take the view that the contents of the info field should be semantically equal to to the first item (the one that starts "This is a redirect from ..."), then the whole thing is a single list and all should have the same level (one '*').
 * If, on the other hand, you take the view that the first item has a higher priority than the the contents of the info field, then it is not a list and should have no bullet; while the subsequent items can then be a list, they can't be a nested list, so again should only have one '*'. Either way, all of those templates need to be fixed. You missed Template:R from list topic, which is an example of a single level of list indenting. You can see the resultant output at Birds of Tunisia. --RexxS (talk) 13:05, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Not certain that's correct, because the reason for use of two asterisks is to show that the note belongs to the single-bulleted entry above it, and this to differentiate it from subsequent entries when there are more than one rcat used to tag the redirect. – <b style="font-size:85%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">Paine</b> 15:19, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I didn't miss Template:R from list topic, that's the template that this whole discussion is about. Pigsonthewing changed it to single level, I reverted that change, and then Pigsonthewing reverted my revert. In any case, the first item definitely has higher priority. It has a bullet because multiple rcats are often used together and there isn't an easy way to only show the bullet when there's more than one rcat without breaking the formatting on tens of thousands of redirect pages. In the case of the new Template:R from list topic, I think that consistency between rcats, especially since multiple rcats are often used on the same page, is more important than WP:LIST (WP:IAR). --Ahecht ([[User_talk:Ahecht|<span style="color:#FFF;background:#00f;display:inline-block;padding:1px 1px 0;vertical-align:-0.3em;line-height:1;font-size:62.5%;text-align:center;">'''TALK
 * But that "single-bulleted entry" is therefore a list with only one item in it. What kind of list is that? --RexxS (talk) 16:00, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Because multiple rcat templates are often used on a single page, and this is the way that it's been done for dozens of templates for over four years. If you want to modify Module:Redirect template to somehow detect if there is more than one rcat on the page, add a bullet to the top level if there is, detect if there is a bulleted list, and demote those items appropriately, you are free to do so. You could also write and run a bot to modify any pages with multiple rcats to use the This is a redirect wrapper and modify every one of the 200 redirect templates to only use a nested list if . However, breaking one template because you don't like dozens of others seems WP:POINTy. --Ahecht ([[User_talk:Ahecht|<span style="color:#FFF;background:#00f;display:inline-block;padding:1px 1px 0;vertical-align:-0.3em;line-height:1;font-size:62.5%;text-align:center;">'''TALK
 * Ok - I've just looked at ArtificalLanguages and I can see that templates like can have multiple rcats associated, and then the second level indentation makes sense. I still feel that a list of only one item is not a list, but I can see that the effort of catering for that case is not worth it, so we end up with the current situation. @Andy: have a look at Aarons Rod and see if you're best to give way on this one. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 16:30, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:GLAM/Thinktank/Event 2
Just to inform you, I'm living in Birmingham also, and due to email birminghammuseums.org.uk, just that, if there is anything else I might be involved in that would be excellent. Thanks ! Whalestate (talk) 22:34, 13 May 2015 (UTC)