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List of Formula One drivers who have achieved a podium finish moved to draftspace
An article you recently created, List of Formula One drivers who have achieved a podium finish, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " " before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please follow the confirms on the Articles for Creation template atop the page. I dream of horses If you reply here, please ping me by adding to your message (talk to me) (My edits) @  13:55, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

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Nomination of Formula One drivers from Chile for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Formula One drivers from Chile is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Formula One drivers from Chile until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Baby miss fortune 12:16, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of List of Formula One drivers who have achieved a podium finish for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article List of Formula One drivers who have achieved a podium finish is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/List of Formula One drivers who have achieved a podium finish until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Tvx1 21:35, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

F1 edits
Hi SSSB,

Could you please take care with some of your edits? Firstly, when you are adding references this is not the correct format&mdash;particulaly the date. You put the date as "2018-05-26", but it should read "26 May 2018".

More importantly, why did you delete the tables as you did here? Yes, those tables are blank, but they are needed in future and markup code has been put in place to hide them from view until they are needed. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 08:03, 27 May 2018 (UTC)


 * I deleted them because they were visible. Someone before me had removed the markup code and I didn't realise so simply deleted the at the time redundent tables. My apologies for any confusion or inconvience this has caused. SSSB (talk) 08:10, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Deaths in 2018
Hello, when you add people to the Deaths in 2018 page, please note that they should be in alphabetical order under each day, and only simple references are used. Thank you. --Marbe166 (talk) 14:22, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

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A word of advice
As a teen, and being relatively new to this caper, you may not be very receptive to constructive criticism but hear me out. Don't edit for the sake of 'knowing better than others'. There is a lot of process involved in articles, especially in F1 and motorsport in particular. Lots of people who think they know everything and get their noses out of joint when you call them out (watch out for Corvus Tristis in particular, lacks a few brain cells but reckons he knows everything just because he's the main Formulae editor). Don't rock the boat, follow the process. Just because you think something is right doesn't mean it necessarily is - common sense often doesn't apply, people are too wrapped up in their own agenda. If you use your sensibility too much you'll end up like me and quit out of frustration three or four times, so take regular breaks. This site can be full of pricks, but if you know how to work with people you'll gain allies in arguments and that's all you need to make progress. Trust me - I've been in plenty of useless shitfights on here. Holdenman05 (talk) 09:40, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * , if I may return the favor, next time you remove content as a result of a discussion it might be helpful to add in your edit summary that there was a discussion, so that you don't look like you are removing content because you think you know better. And for the record I am perfectly able to receive constructive criticism, my age is irrelevant, it is my wiki experience that counts, after nearly 18 months I know how all of what you told me. Frankly I thought your edits showed the the exact same you just accused me of. SSSB (talk) 09:50, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Vandalism in 2019 Australian Grand Prix article
You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at 2019 Australian Grand Prix. Stop overruling the new consensus. Alex (talk) 11:21, 17 March 2019 (UTC)


 * , you are ignoring consensus. SSSB (talk) 11:23, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * No, I'm not. It WAS a concensus until only you two written there. But since then at least 4 people showed that they dont agree with that but you, for some reason, dont care about their opinion and still doing what you want. Alex (talk) 11:32, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * , no you started a new discussion in which only one other editor is in your favor which is yet to reach a consensus. SSSB (talk) 11:34, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * It doesnt matter if its new discussion or not. The opinion of that people was already posted and it still matters. Alex (talk) 11:40, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * it does matter, you have to wait, not everyone is on wikipedia all the time, you need to wait for a resonable amount of time (usually a couple of days) before you can close a discussion, there is a reason WP:AFD is open for at least 7 days, it is so that everyone who wants to can contribute, the opinions of 2 people vs 2 people after a few hours is not good enough for a consensus. SSSB (talk) 11:44, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * That's exactly what I'm saying. Most people, like me, dont have time to sit here all day and check every talk page etc. You just discussed with 1 more person and call that consensus. Also I've written that in another talk page but will also write here, that the consensus was only to add entry list to the article. There never was a consensus about leaving only one flag per driver per article. You discussed there about 15 flags for same driver in wrc articles, which I totally agree should be removed. BUT results table is the main table for any article about race event and it has to have flags. Alex (talk) 12:15, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * , but that discussion was open for days not hours before we concluded there was a consensus, as for your other comment that is discussed on the talk page, not here. SSSB (talk) 12:18, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Honestly, I think you and Mclarenfan17's dealt with this situation vert poorly. It's a bit egregious to enforce a consensus made up by just two people to change a system that has been used to satisfaction for years. Such a massive change should have been discussed much more widely in the first place. What you were clinging on too was simply a local consensus. In any case, neither of you should have continued edit-warring as long as you did. You should have focussed your efforts solely on the talk page much much earlier. Especially for a user with a block record like McLarenfan17/Prisonermonkeys' one that was really bad. Both of you should consider yourself very lucky not to have been blocked. An apparently you also mixed up vandalism with a simple content dispute. Now I have noticed that you are still a relatively new Wikipedia and one clearly eager to learn an evolve, so I hope you learn lessons from this episode. I myself have made mistakes at that point in my Wikipedia career as well.Tvx1 01:25, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello, I saw you also put something on this user’s talk page, me too. He keeps deleting everything on there though. He put a couple of things on my talk page as well (threatening to ban me)? Go take a look. (In history, I removed it as well. Is that person a moderator or just someone who likes to harras people on here? Lesterklaassen (talk) 18:34, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * he is perfectly within his right delete content on his talk page (policy can be seen here and here), although I'm not sure why he is doing it. As for threatening to ban you, ignore it, he does not have the individual power to ban users, he can only report you to admins. The reason he is accusing you of harassment is because you put the same notice on his page several times. Next time he deletes something on his talk page let him and only repost your message if he appears to ignore making it clear in your message that he is continuing to ignore your message. But unless you continue putting the same notice on his talk page without the situation escalating he won't be able to ban you, as far as I can see you have done nothing wrong. SSSB (talk) 18:49, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * It's not technically wrong to delete content from one's own talk page, but I don't consider it welcome behavior when done in that manner when it's done in that spirit. They appear not to want to have any negative remark visible on their page. It doesn't do much anyway since everything is kept in the page's history. Personally, I have set up my tak page to auto archive and I leave everything that isn't outright vandalism on there. It gets archived sooner or later.Tvx1 01:13, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
 * , as Tvx1 said on the Lance Stroll talk page. the harassment appears to be against you, not vice versa. SSSB (talk) 08:58, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

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Article heading order on Mario Andretti
I see that you reverted my edit of changing the heading order on the Mario Andretti article. Per MOS:SECTIONORDER, the style order for Wikipedia articles, works or publications of the subject should come before references. Please either restore my edit or explain. Thank you  Royal broil  02:09, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , my bad, I was unaware of MOS:SECTIONORDER and have restored your edit. SSSB (talk) 08:10, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Joel Berghult
I have now provided a source for Joel Berghult so the page no longer needs to be proposed for deletion Michael14375 (talk) 10:58, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , okay, then you can simply remove the proposed deletion tag, I see you have done this. In future there is no need to inform anyone that you are removing a template. SSSB (talk) 11:01, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh ok, thank you very much Michael14375 (talk) 11:03, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , just remember it is necessary to expalin the removal in the edit summary like you did when you removed the tag from Joel Berghult. SSSB (talk) 11:22, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Please be more careful...
I think you moved an article I was working on to draft space prematurely. Geo Swan (talk) 21:25, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , I disagree, where as a new article to Wikipedia does not need to be 100% complete it should have at least 1 source, as I mentioned on your talk page sources are a necessary part of any article, you should make sure there are some before publishing to the main space. SSSB (talk) 21:29, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I saved this version, because those of us who use older or less capable computers can have our applications crash on us. I was only a couple of minutes away from this version.  My good faith efforts were impeded by your premature action.
 * Wikidocuments used to explicitly warn quality control volunteers to watch out to make sure they didn't disrupt the efforts of competent contributors in the midst of creating a policy compliant new article. You moved Los Roques (T-93AB) to draft space within one minute of my saving the first version.  I continue to think the project would be best served if you could exercise more caution.  Geo Swan (talk) 22:00, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , if this is the case you should follow the protocol at WP:NPPDRAFT. SSSB (talk) 22:23, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Templates
I fully accept that the article was not quite ready for publication. I meant it as a placeholder - and when I was first editing, that was fully acceptable, though I see that is no longer so. Please don’t template me again - I’m a person, not a machine, and I doubt you would have treated my husband the same way. The article will be re-submitted when it is complete and has full citations. Thank you for your time, fellow Wikipedian. Kafka Liz (talk) 21:37, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , firstly I would have treated your husband the same, who you are makes no difference in how to communicate with you. Secondly if I want to notify you and there is a template to do that job I will use because that is what templates are there for, if you were a machine I would have informed your operater and not you. SSSB (talk) 21:49, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * It’s ok, son, I no longer have any interest in completing the article. Wikipedia thanks you. You’ve added to the sum of human knowledge. Kafka Liz (talk) 21:51, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Also, in all seriousness, no snark... talking to people is an art. When you do it wrong, they take it badly. I apologise, but the thing is that there’s a right way and a wrong way to approach people. Yours is inappropriate and does not work. Kafka Liz (talk) 22:03, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Not to mention that you page moved into draft 2 minutes after the last edit, which is extremely bad form. Ceoil  (talk) 22:07, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * ,, if the article was still being worked on you should have tagged in accordance with WP:NPPDRAFT. SSSB (talk) 22:24, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

You have been mentioned in a thread on ANI. No template needed. Kafka Liz (talk) 22:26, 22 April 2019 (UTC)


 * It is inappropriate. I’m digging through my archives for a link, but surely you can understand why a regular would be offended? I’m not trying to offend - I’d like to understand your train of thought. Kafka Liz (talk) 23:03, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * actually I don't understand why anyone would be offended, I wouldn't. Whether you inform me through a standard template or personalised message you informed about whatever you wanted to inform me about and as far as I am concerned that is all that matters. Now I am sorry if I have offended you, that was not my intention, but I was unaware of WP:DTR and I hope we can both move past this minor misunderstanding. It would also be appricated if you used less sarcasm in your comments, its not helping anyone. Thanks, SSSB (talk) 23:15, 22 April 2019 (UTC)


 * That is fine for you, but I and a lot of others take great exception to templates: it means you do not respect people, period. And it would be appreciated if you had a tad more empathy: your studied distance from the human race is not helpful either. Kafka Liz (talk) 23:29, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, like I said I was unaware of WP:DTR and will try to avoid using standard templates for expirenced users from now on. SSSB (talk) 23:35, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * That would be nice. As I’ve said, you’ve killed any desire I had to write that article, and I do have references. Maybe you shouldn’t be so trigger happy. This is not Montana in the 1860s. Kafka Liz (talk) 23:41, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Move on, you've made your point. SSSB (talk) 23:44, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Now you’re talking. Nice to see you all growed up. Think we’re done here. Kafka Liz (talk) 23:52, 22 April 2019 (UTC)