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your comments
You said you supported something then did the oppose and blanked out thousands of characters of text.

There is no consensus to remove this. Please restore it. You may also place it where it can be found easily. Otherwise, it is like book burning or destroying information, that will take days of work to restore (which means nobody will do it).

It is possible that this subject with have many sub-articles....for example,

main article

crime timeline (which can be extremely extensive)

world reactions

result of the crime (particularly if there are multiple gun law changes in different states)

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 * The reason I "blanked" it was because we have yet to reach an agreement on if it should be included or not. If we just kept putting it up in opposition, then it would be constantly reverted and there would be less of a chance that it would be added.  For now, I would suggest trying to show your support to an international response on the talk page, along with two or three sentences as to why you support it.  Super Goku V (talk) 05:43, 17 December 2012 (UTC)


 * "Otherwise, it is like book burning or destroying information, that will take days of work to restore (which means nobody will do it)." This is an incorrect statment.  The information is still present within a revision on the article.  All it would take is just copying the information out of that revision and then putting it back into the current revision of the article.  Super Goku V (talk) 05:43, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:School killings in the United States
Template:School killings in the United States has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page.  Sandstein  16:04, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Sandy Hook
I noticed you supported having an international reactions page/section on Sandy Hook previously. A page has been made and it's been tagged for deletion. It's going to be a very close consensus. Could you lend your support again here?--199.231.184.178 (talk) 09:35, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

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 * Thank you for pointing that out. I forgot about checking the links to make sure they were directed to the proper article.  --Super Goku V (talk) 02:17, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

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Discussion on the AFT5 Request for Comment
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Request for elaboration of comment on WP:Splitting
You recently commented on WP:Splitting that it doesn't explain how to split an article. What specifically is needed? Is there more besides just copying info from the original page, pasting it into the destination page, checking that both articles still make sense, and checking that no references were disrupted? (And following the directions mentioned already in the preceding "Procedure" section.) – Temporal User (Talk) 10:56, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * There is considering that the history of the article needs to be on both pages for attribution, among other details. --Super Goku V (talk) 23:04, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Chandra Levy
You added the 2013 hearings in the lede paragraph. While it is a good intent, I don't see the rest of the article mentioning it. I wonder if you can merge it into the body article, please. --George Ho (talk) 16:45, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I would, but it seems that you have already done it for me. Sorry about that and thanks.  --Super Goku V (talk) 19:24, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

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Syrian internet blackout
Hello. I notice that you merged my article about the Syrian internet blackout into Internet censorship in Syria. I have a problem with this as no party has admitted responsibility for the event, I do not think it should be defaulted to blame the Syrian government. This may be going against WP:NPOV which requires editors to maintain a neutral point of view. Please let me know your thoughts on the matter. Thanks. Guru Noel (talk) 21:43, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello, Guru Noel. Sorry about the delay in responding.  I usually do not log in often, especally as college events wrap up in my area.  I don't remember exactly was I was going to do, but I know that I was going to do something other than merging, before I decided that merging would be best.  I remember going to the "Merge to" template and reading the sentence about using WP:Bold.  The problems that I remember was that it was refering to the event as if it was the only blackout in Syria, when there have been several and that the article itself would be able to be better supported if it was merged since it can be seen as censorship due to cutting off access to the internet.  If you would like to, you can use WP:Bold to split the articles as they were and even add a link to your article in the Internet censorship article if you would like.  I just felt that no matter who did it, it was censorship either way and should be merged.  --Super Goku V (talk) 17:38, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I forgot to add that there was another blackout today, so if you do choose to split the article, you should rename it to avoid conflicting with other events or lump them together into a group article. --Super Goku V (talk) 17:44, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

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Your help requested at WP:Split
Greetings.

I'm a newbie, and I'm wise enough to say so, so pardon me if I'm doing things the "wrong" way or seem to be out of place. I'm trying to learn all I can and practice techniques in my own userspace before attempting to do things in the "real world" and inadvertently causing a big stir, as newbies are wont to do. :-)

It seems like you were a recent contributor to WP:SPLIT a few months ago. So it seems to me like you may be an excellent person to have in the discussion we're having on how to properly split an article, and then properly updating WP:SPLIT to reflect what we've learned. I think I'm not the only one who's a bit confused about how the Template:Split to and Template:Split from templates are to be used and what the final result should look like.

I'm actually an old computer geek, myself, and pretty good at writing documentation, so I can certainly help there ... but where we're weak is understanding specifically what the template is calling for.

I've also invited contributors of the templates to our discussion, so we can have a full understanding and agreement on this, but have yet to hear back from any of them.

Thanks in advance for your help and comments!

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Article Feedback Tool update
Hey Super Goku V. I'm contacting you because you're involved in the Article Feedback Tool in some way, either as a previous newsletter recipient or as an active user of the system. As you might have heard, a user recently anonymously disabled the feedback tool on 2,000 pages. We were unable to track or prevent this due to the lack of logging feature in AFT5. We're deeply sorry for this, as we know that quite a few users found the software very useful, and were using it on their articles.

We've now re-released the software, with the addition of a logging feature and restrictions on the ability to disable. Obviously, we're not going to automatically re-enable it on each article—we don't want to create a situation where it was enabled by users who have now moved on, and feedback would sit there unattended—but if you're interested in enabling it for your articles, it's pretty simple to do. Just go to the article you want to enable it on, click the "request feedback" link in the toolbox in the sidebar, and AFT5 will be enabled for that article.

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Oatmeal v ..., update?
Hint as to what needs to be updated? htom (talk) 00:58, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * -_-' Sorry about that, I have fixed my edit and added the reason.  Thanks for the message.  :)  --Super Goku V (talk) 03:07, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

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 * , I just started creating that page a day or two ago. Could you let me know why you reviewed it so soon?  --Super Goku V (talk) 05:31, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
 * If you look at how the page looked before my edit, you can see, that you had placed a 'Review waiting' template on the page. If you are wondering why I reviewed your and not one of the other 1000 that was before you...I use a "button" on my User page, that gives me random subissions to review. -  (t)  Josve05a  (c)  14:08, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Ok, I can see what happened a bit better. I remember getting the message, "Please copy paste the following bold text to the top of your submission: ", so I guess I goofed there.  Apparently, a user isn't suppose to make the page manually or something.  In any case, do you know what the template was that I should of added for future reference? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Super Goku V (talk • contribs)

Hercules Storm
Of course there's a Hercules Storm! It's all over the Internet. I'm going in search of people to write the article because I don't feel confident about doing it right.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 16:33, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Alright, I see your side and will put out the problem. It seems that a company, if The Weather Channel can be called a company, has decided to name the storms.  However, it is not a recognized name due to lack of use by government agencies.  An example would be the National Hurricane Center, which does have the authority to name hurricanes.  --Super Goku V (talk) 17:18, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
 * It can be a redirect, of course. But I don't know what else to call it at this point.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 17:32, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
 * You can use Wikipedia:Articles for creation if you believe it will survive an AfD. I just do not believe it would do so at this moment, but then again we do have the Polar Vortex issue going on so it might work on media alone.  --Super Goku V (talk) 17:46, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The cold weather alone is notable.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 20:24, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
 * It is possible, but I was thinking it could get deleted or moved due to the name. I would run with it and make an AfC if needed.  --Super Goku V (talk) 03:29, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

One positive development is a redirect for Winter Storm Hercules. That at least gives us something notable to link it to. I have enough for a stub article but not the kind of professional-looking work other similar storms have had. I'll make it a userspace draft for now.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 20:41, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Wow. I have a lot more work to do than I thought. It won't be happening soon, either. I don't think I've quite gotten the draft past the point where it won't be deleted.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 21:51, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
 * If you are going to make it, I would suggest an External Link to The Weather Channel since they came up with the name. You might want to link to Winter storm naming, but only if you think it will help the article.  --Super Goku V (talk) 05:48, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Weird. It took several pages in a Google search about the "polar vortex" to find that a Wikipedia article had been created for just the cold weather. It had been around for several days. Now whether the storm can be a part of that ... — Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 19:27, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, they did it. And my time has not been wasted because there is very little detail about Hercules, but those who wrote the article did include it. They included Ion as well, but the Weather channel's own page about Ion is missing, so further research is warranted to find out if this is correct. But not today. I have lots of material to run with. The article is over 40,000 bytes but could still stand to be improved.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 19:41, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Then I will recommend the following: Undo my edit I made several days ago, Think about merging some of the details of your article into the other article, Think about redirecting "Hercules (Storm)" to the other article. --Super Goku V (talk) 02:47, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

I had planned to do all of these. I think we're done here. Thanks.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 17:05, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

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Removing orphan flag NFL Players Inc.?
Hey Super Goku V, thanks for adding a link to the new National Football League Players Incorporated article from the main National Football League Players Association article. I worked on behalf of the NFLPA to place the Players Inc. article, and I'm wondering if you might be able to help me with a quick thing—now that there's a link to NFL Players Inc., could you remove the orphan flag from that article? Because I have a financial COI, I never edit articles directly myself, even to remove a flag. Cheers! ChrisPond (Talk · COI) 13:54, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The criteria on WP:Orphan suggests making it to three before removing. I would try to find a few good suggestions, potentially an article on Keith Gordon if you think that helps, before having the tag removed.  --Super Goku V (talk) 00:08, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi again, and sorry for the delay in getting back about this. To my mind, I think the following three articles are potential candidates to have the Players Inc. added to the "See also" section:


 * National Football League
 * Madden NFL, since Players Inc. provides licensing for it
 * Daryl Johnston, who hosts a radio program produced by Players Inc.


 * What do you think? Cheers, ChrisPond (Talk · COI) 19:47, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi again, hope you had a great weekend! Just wanted to see if you'd had a chance to take a look at this and see what you thought about adding in links to the Players Inc. article from these other articles. Thanks! ChrisPond (Talk · COI) 14:43, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry for putting you on the backburner. Being sick isn't fun right now, but I will at least give you a reply right now.  The reason I added it to the See Also section was because I think it can be integrated into the main article with some work, but I am not an expert in integrating articles together. Anyways, I can add it to the NFL and the Madden NFL articles as they are easily connected in some way.  As for Daryl Johnston, I am not fully sure if I will add it for just a radio program.  If his article has a section for the radio show, I will try to link it somewhere in that section.  --Super Goku V (talk) 21:22, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. Thanks so much, and no worries about the delay—hope you feel better soon! Cheers, ChrisPond (Talk · COI) 21:28, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Alright, I took a look at the articles. The NFL article only mentions the NFL Players Association a single time in the article, so I do not believe there is a way to link to Players Inc.   Madden NFL linked to the NFLPA as their license owner.  Since Players Inc. does the license with EA, I modified the article to correct that and link to the Players Incorporated article.  Daryl Johnston does have a broadcasting section, but it isn't clear what radio program you are referring to.  I would suggest going to the talk page on Daryl Johnston about adding a sentence to the section on the radio program.  --Super Goku V (talk) 00:19, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi again—I do tend to agree that the NFL article is perhaps a bit of a stretch, at least as currently structured. Regarding Daryl Johnston—I've just proposed adding a couple sentences about his work on Players Inc Radio on his Talk page, but it looks like it's pretty quiet over there. Do you think you could take a look at see about making the addition? That would get us to three links, so we could remove the orphan flag from the Player Inc. article. Thanks again for your help on this! Cheers, ChrisPond (Talk · COI) 16:14, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Hey Super Goku V, just wanted to follow up—what do you think about adding this to Daryl Johnston's article? I'm happy to look for other editors to help if you don't have time, just let me know. Cheers! ChrisPond (Talk · COI) 16:11, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Hey again, Chris. I do not really have enough time to help you, so I would look for another user.  In any case, since ORPHAN only suggest three and there was an attempt made for more than one link to the article, I have removed the tag from the article.  If you feel that the tag needs to be readded for some reason, you are free to revert me.  --Super Goku V (talk) 03:50, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The addition to Daryl Johnston's article is now ✅! Thanks for your help, and for removing the flag! ChrisPond (Talk · COI) 15:12, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Not a problem. Good luck with the article!  :)  --Super Goku V (talk) 02:09, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Article Feedback v5 reviews Comment
You have reviewed several feedbacks as "Inappropiate" on Special:ArticleFeedbackv5. However, most of it is useless praise. Praise and illegible stuff is supposed to be categorized as "No action needed". It saves the patroller's time who's checking up the "Inappropiate" category and hiding and requesting oversight for the ones required. Thank you. -- Ankit Maity «T § C» «Review Me»   12:03, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello. Sorry if did cause you more work than I meant.  However, I am a bit curious about what you are referring to.  I went back through the Inappropriate comments and saw the stuff I marked.  I can see that I marked an easy majority of it under Inappropriate due to nonsense.  If you could help clarify which reviews had mistakes in them, it would be appreciated.  Sincerely, Super Goku V (talk) 01:07, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
 * , I referred to only some of them. For example, the comment "sadwarfwearfwa" would qualify as nonsense however "dragon ball z" would be irrelevant. One comment that everyone wrote is "Hitler liked puppies". No idea, whether it's useful or not. By the way, you barely had one or two AFT edits like those, so not a worry. I just wanted to inform.     -- Ankit Maity  «T § C» «Review Me»   11:31, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. I thought that there were several issues due to your earlier comment.  As a question since you brought up part of it, what would you mark speculation that has no possibility of being confirmed under?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Super Goku V (talk • contribs)
 * Firstly, my name is Ankit Maity. Secondly, sign your comments. Thirdly, I come to your question. I would actually leave it as is. Then, check the net (if I remember) and then either mark it as "Useful" or "No action needed" because it's more like irrelevant than nonsense. Although, it can qualify under both (i.e. Inappropiate and No action needed). -- Ankit Maity «T § C» «Review Me»   07:30, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah, sorry about the naming issue. (As for the signing my comments, I added the unsigned template when I noticed my mistake.)  Anyways, thank you for your help on when I should use Inappropiate and No Action Needed.  --Super Goku V (talk) 20:12, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

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AFT
Why are you mass-enabling WP:AFT? Nikkimaria (talk) 15:36, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I have been enabling them since I have been patrolling the Central Feedback and thought that the articles that are on the main page, and a few articles related to them, could benefit from receiving feedback. If you feel that it is an issue, I can disable them if it is a problem instead of helping the project out.  --Super Goku V (talk) 19:44, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
 * My concern is that the RfC on AFT concluded that it "should be implemented on a small-scale, opt-in basis", and that it should only be enabled where the enabler is willing and able to address the feedback produced (WP:RFC/AFT). Given the number and diversity of articles on which you've enabled the tool, I don't think those conditions have been met. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:33, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
 * If you would like, I can disable them if you feel that I have gone outside of the RfC. I am curious about the small-scale comment as I am wondering if there is there a specific number cited or a maximum limit at the moment?  --Super Goku V (talk) 20:50, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not aware of any specific numbers; the idea was more that those interested in the feedback have the opportunity to seek it for articles they'd written but that most need not get involved in the process. You don't need to disable all the ones you've done, but I would suggest limiting yourself in future to articles where you personally are able to monitor and address feedback. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:12, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Alright, that shouldn't be a problem. Sorry if I caused you any problems.  If there are ones that should be disabled, then you can let me know if you would like.  --Super Goku V (talk) 21:43, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2014 January newsletter
The 2014 WikiCup is off to a flying start, with, at time of writing, 138 participants. The is the largest number of participants we have seen since 2010. If you are yet to join the competition, don't worry- the judges have agreed to keep the signups open for a few more days. By a wide margin, our current leader is newcomer, whose set of 14 featured pictures, the first FPs of the competition, was worth 490 points. Here are some more noteworthy scorers:


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Featured articles, featured lists, featured topics and featured portals are yet to play a part in the competition. The judges have removed a number of submissions which were deemed ineligible. Typically, we aim to see work on a project, followed by a nomination, followed by promotion, this year. We apologise for any disappointment caused by our strict enforcement this year; we're aiming to keep the competition as fair as possible.

Wikipedians interested in friendly competition may be interested to take part in The Core Contest; unlike the WikiCup, The Core Contest is not about audited content, but, like the WikiCup, it is about article improvement; specifically, The Core Contest is about contribution to some of Wikipedia's most important article. Of course, any work done for The Core Contest, if it leads to a DYK, GA or FA, can earn WikiCup points.

If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to help keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email), The ed17 (talk • email) and Miyagawa (talk • email) 19:54, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2014 February newsletter
And so ends the most competitive first round we have ever seen, with 38 points required to qualify for round 2. Last year, 19 points secured a place; before that, 11 (2012) or 8 (2011) were enough. This is both a blessing and a curse. While it shows the vigourous good health of the competition, it also means that we have already lost many worthy competitors. Our top three scorers were:


 * , a WikiCup newcomer whose high-quality scans of rare banknotes represent an unusual, interesting and valuable contribution to Wikipedia. Most of Godot's points this round have come from a large set of pictures used in Treasury Note (1890–91).
 * , a WikiCup veteran and a finalist last year, Adam is also a featured picture specialist, focusing on the restoration of historical images. This month's promotions have included a carefully restored set of artist William Russell Flint's work.
 * , another WikiCup newcomer. WikiRedactor has claimed points for good article reviews and good articles relating to pop music, many of which were awarded bonus points. Articles include Sky Ferreira, Hannah Montana 2: Meet Miley Cyrus and "Wrecking Ball" (Miley Cyrus song).

Other competitors of note include:


 * , who helped take Thirty Flights of Loving through good article candidates and featured article candidates, claiming the first first featured article of the competition.
 * , who claimed the first featured list of the competition with Natalia Kills discography.
 * , who takes the title of the contributor awarded the highest bonus point multiplier (resulting in the highest scoring article) of the competition so far. Her high-importance salamander, now a good article, scored 108 points.

After such a competitive first round, expect the second round to also be fiercely fought. Remember that any content promoted after the end of round 1 but before the start of round 2 can be claimed in round 2, but please do not update your submission page until March (UTC). Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points equally.

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WikiCup 2014 March newsletter
A quick update as we are half way through round two of this year's competition. WikiCup newcomer (Pool E) leads, having produced a massive set of featured pictures for Silver certificate (United States), an article also brought to featured list status. Former finalist (Pool G) is in second, which he owes mostly to his work with historical images, including a number of images from Urania's Mirror, an article also brought to good status. 2010 champion (Pool C) is third overall, thanks to contributions relating to naval history, including the newly featured Japanese battleship Nagato. , who currently leads Pool A and is sixth overall, takes the title for the highest scoring individual article of the competition so far, with the top importance featured article Ian Smith.

With 26 people having already scored over 100 points, it is likely that well over 100 points will be needed to secure a place in round 3. Recent years have required 123 (2013), 65 (2012), 41 (2011) and 100 (2010). Remember that only 64 will progress to round 3 at the end of April. Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page; if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points equally. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to help keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email), The ed17 (talk • email) and Miyagawa (talk • email) 22:55, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

ITN credit
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 * Thank you for the credit. :)  --Super Goku V (talk) 04:15, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

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Your changes to *** (novel)
You provided formatting changes to the references on *** (novel), but you did not provide a reason. Can you explain? I do this on some other pages, so if I'm doing it wrong or suboptimal or something, I have some fixing to do. Thank you. (Answer here or on Talk:*** (novel).) Choor monster (talk) 10:32, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I didn't leave an explaination since I have been working on multiple articles at a time to make a minor correction. Sorry if that provided some confusion on my actions.  Basically, I am making the edits to remove the articles from the hidden category called, "."  Those changes also fix a spacing issue that floods the reference section with empty white space in Chrome.  Just something to make it easier for people to use.  --Super Goku V (talk) 05:00, 9 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your explanation. My first instinct was to revert, but I quickly suppressed it, the rules for best practice keep changing. Choor monster (talk) 11:06, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2014 April newsletter
Round 3 of the 2014 WikiCup has just begun; 32 competitors remain. Pool G's was Round 2's highest scorer, with a large number of featured picture credits. In March/April, he restored star charts from Urania's Mirror, lithographs of various warships (such as SMS Gefion) and assorted other historical media. Second overall was Pool E's, whose featured list Silver certificate (United States) contains dozens of scans of banknotes recently promoted to featured picture status. Third was Pool G's who has produced a large number of good articles, many, including Falkner Island, on Connecticut-related topics. Other successful participants included, who saw three articles (including the top-importance Ian Smith) through featured article candidacies, and , who saw three lists (including the beautifully-illustrated list of plantations in West Virginia) through featured list candidacies. High-importance good articles promoted this round include narwhal from, tiger from and The Lion King from. We also saw our first featured topic points of the competition, awarded to and  for their work on the Sega Genesis topic. No points have been claimed so far for good topics or featured portals.

192 was our lowest qualifying score, again showing that this WikiCup is the most competitive ever. In previous years, 123 (2013), 65 (2012), 41 (2011) or 100 (2010) secured a place in Round 3. Pool H was the strongest performer, with all but one of its members advancing, while only the two highest scorers in Pools G and F advanced. At the end of June, 16 users will advance into the semi-finals. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to help keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email), The ed17 (talk • email) and Miyagawa (talk • email) 17:57, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

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Notification of a June AfC BackLog Drive
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WikiProject Articles for creation is holding a  month long Backlog Elimination Drive!

The goal of this drive is to eliminate the backlog of unreviewed articles. The drive is running from June 1, 2014 to June 30, 2014.

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WikiCup 2014 June newsletter
After an extremely close race, Round 3 is over. 244 points secured a place in Round 4, which is comparable to previous years- 321 was required in 2013, while 243 points were needed in 2012. Pool C's was the round's highest scorer, mostly due to a 32 featured pictures, including both scans and photographs. Also from Pool C, finished second overall, claiming three featured articles, including the high-importance Grus (constellation). Third place was Pool B's, whose contributions included featured articles Russian battleship Poltava (1894) and Russian battleship Peresvet. Pool C saw the highest number of participants advance, with six out of eight making it to the next round.

The round saw this year's first featured portal, with taking Portal:Literature to featured status. The round also saw the first good topic points, thanks to and the 2013 Atlantic hurricane season. This means that all content types have been claimed this year. Other contributions of note this round include a featured topic on Maya Angelou's autobiographies from, a good article on the noted Czech footballer Tomáš Rosický from and a now-featured video game screenshot, freely released due to the efforts of.

The judges would like to remind participants to update submission pages promptly. This means that content can be checked, and allows those following the competition (including those participating) to keep track of scores effectively. This round has seen discussion about various aspects of the WikiCup's rules and procedures. Those interested in the competition can be assured that formal discussions about how next year's competition will work will be opened shortly, and all are welcome to voice their views then. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to help keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. and 18:48, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

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redirect Justina Pelletier
Hi, Just wondered was there any content on the separate page for Justina Pelletier before it was merged/redirected?

Thanks Jjk (talk) 23:05, 12 July 2014 (UTC)  (Jjk)

None that I can easily recall at this time. --Super Goku V (talk) 17:27, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2014 August newsletter
The final of the 2014 WikiCup begins in a few short minutes! Our eight finalists are listed below, along with their placement in Round 4:


 * , a WikiCup newcomer, finished top of Pool A and was the round's highest scorer. Godot is a featured picture specialist, claiming large numbers of points due to high-quality scans of historical documents, especially banknotes.
 * 1) is a WikiCup veteran, having been a finalist every year since 2010. In the semi-final, he was Pool B's highest scorer. Cas's points primarily come from articles on the natural sciences.
 * 2) was Pool A's runner-up. Czar's points come mostly from content related to independent video games, including both articles and topics.
 * 3) was Pool B's runner-up. Another featured picture specialist, many of Adam's points come from the restoration of historical media. He has been a WikiCup finalist twice before.
 * 4) won the WikiCup in 2012 and 2013, and enters this final as the first wildcard. She focuses on biology-related articles, and has worked on several high-importance articles.
 * 5) is the second wildcard. George's points come primarily from meteorology-related articles. This year and last year, George was the first person in the competition to score.
 * , the third wildcard, was the 2010 champion and a finalist last year. His writes mostly on military history, especially naval history.
 * , the fourth and final wildcard, has participated in previous WikiCups, but not reached any finals. Bloom's points are mostly thanks to did you knows, featured lists and good articles related to sport and national symbols.

We say goodbye to this year's semi-finalists. ,, , , , and  have all performed well to reach this stage of the competition, and we hope they will all be joining us again next year.

There are two upcoming competitions unrelated to the WikiCup which may be of interest to those who receive this newsletter. The Stub Contest will run through September, and revolves around expanding stub articles, especially high-importance or old stubs. In addition, a proposal has been made for a new competition, the GA Cup, which the organisers plan to run next year. This competition is based on the WikiCup and aims to reduce the good article review backlog.

There is now a thread for brainstorming on how next year's WikiCup competition should work. Please come along and share your thoughts- What works? What doesn't work? What needs changing? Signups for next year's competition will be open soon; we will be in touch. If, at this stage of the competition, you are keen to help the with the WikiCup, please do what you can to participate in review processes. Our finalists will find things much easier if the backlogs at good article candidates, featured article candidates, featured picture candidates and the rest are kept at a minimum. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. and 22:09, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

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Can you explain?
I just saw your comment on the Gamergate talk page about "not taking matters into our own hands." I asked you about it there but it may not be an appropriate place to discuss what you're proposing. I'm really curious about why you think it's inappropriate to report an illegal link that's posted on WP. I'm quite sure that WP doesn't ask its editors for a vow of confidentiality regarding material we encounter while doing our work on the encyclopedia. The only activity that does involve such a vow to ignore reports of wrongdoing that I know of is the Catholic Seal of the Confessional, and that brought the Church widespread condemnation and serious legal consequences when it resulted in them protecting child molesters from authorities. Are you suggesting that, for example, if a link is published to a child pornography repository in the U.S. which includes the owner's name, WP editors are somehow duty-bound not to inform the authorities about it? Can you support that with appropriate WP policy links? ReynTime (talk) 10:55, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, it gotta Hatted since apparently the article got taken down according to another editor. Either way, let us discuss the issue at hand.  I will start by stating that your claim that it was an illegal link is questionable on the grounds that it has not been clearly explained why you have claimed it to be illegal.  If you truly believe it to be illegal, then why did you only contact the college and not the authorities if it is indeed hosting content that is illegal.  As far as I know, the link was not and has not been reported to the police since according to and implied in your edit, you only contacted Amherst and its staff and you note that the student will potentially be getting "...a very harsh lesson in what ethics in journalism is actually about..." instead of mentioning that you contacted the authorities and the college and a relevant message on that.  The only illegal act that has been mention so far, and I am presently doubting that you are implying a connection between the two, is the discussion on child molesters and child pornography.  If you would like present your claim that it is an illegal act, then please detail how we can call it an illegal act or how you believe it so since this is a serious allegation that you are making.  --Super Goku V (talk) 03:28, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
 * As for the remainder, I felt that we as Wikipedia users were getting involved in an issue that we should remain neutral about. At the time I saw the discussion, the link had already been retracted by an editor and the discussion was practically decided as not including it without further discussion, which from what I can see would clearly have been heavily sided against as not including it.  At the time, you seemed to be taking issue with Avono and calling for an ArbCom discussion for a topic ban, which is a serious claim.  It felt to me that your comment that I have linked above seemed to be more about teaching a lesson and getting involved in the issue than it was about a reaction to what was said.   You are correct that you can report it outside of WP as a private citizen, but I request that you look at the issue from my PoV and see why I might have the reaction that I did.  To conclude, I have a few questions that I would like to ask you.  What benefit to the article or to the talk page would it be to publically declare what actions you were taking off-wiki?  If you felt as strongly as you seem to, then what benefit was it to only contact the college in this matter?  You ask about actions that are illegal and that the police would investigate in your comment above.  If there is illegal content, then we should report it.  Do you believe that the article by this person contain illegal material or was illegal in a similar manner?   --Super Goku V (talk) 03:28, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, maybe you're not from the U.S., but here we have two justice systems, the criminal and the civil. The criminal justice system involves crimes against the state and that's where the cops and the district attorney and so on come in. The civil justice system settles questions of wrongdoing between two private parties (which can be individuals, groups, organizations, corporations) where the state has no abiding interest; the police are not involved, the issue is legislated in an entirely different set of courts, and both parties have to hire private counsel if they wish to be represented. (In criminal matters the state provides the defendant with counsel if the defendant can't afford it.) Libel/Defamation is a civil, not a criminal matter, so the cops would have nothing to do with it -- it would be settled between the two private parties in the issue, which in this case would be Amherst College and Zoe Quinn.  I informed the college because it was their student newspaper, and if the article was published without their knowledge and consent (as was the case) then they were unknowingly being exposed to legal liability by this student.  In such cases it is considered ethical to inform the possibly-unaware offender of the problem and give them a chance to set things to rights without calling out the lawyers immediately, because honest mistakes happen and getting involved in a civil suit is always an expensive hassle that's best avoided if possible.


 * You can look up the legal definitions of libel and defamation for the United States with a Google search to inform yourself of what is considered a civil offense in these areas. Broadly put, knowingly publishing lies about a person that causes damage to their professional and/or private lives is a civil offense and if found guilty, a party can be forced to pay quite large sums of money as damages, depending on what was written, the amount of damage that was done, how malicious/negligent the act of publication was, and so on. Incidentally, the only possible relief you can get from a civil suit is money; you can't go to jail from it or be put to death or anything, that's reserved for criminal matters. Since the only possible relief is money, it's common in such a civil matter to spread the legal net as widely as possible -- so, if Zoe Quinn decided to file a civil suit, which she had abundant grounds to do, her lawyer would probably suggest that in addition to suing the freshman writer, who might or might not have money to pay, she should also sue Amherst for not appropriately supervising him in his role as a student journalist associated with the college, since Amherst College has very deep pockets indeed. This is why Amherst would act quickly to remove obviously libelous material that was associated with them -- if they were found liable of supporting the student's act of defamation, they would be on the hook for a very large amount of money. Enough to set Zoe Quinn up for life, quite possibly.


 * Contacting the college to let them know what their student was doing so that they could intervene was the kindest possible action to take; the longer the web page stayed up, the greater their liability. By getting it taken down promptly, Amherst College is in the clear. THe student himself is still quite possibly in hot water if Zoe Quinn decides she wants to go after him because that page was archived and is "out there" on the Internet, so her lawyers could argue that real damage has already been done and that the student should have to pay for it. But since it was up less than a day, the amount of damages he could be asked to pay is probably fairly limited. That kid was really playing with fire there.


 * Oh, and at the time the discussion took place the page was still up; it was not taken down until several hours after my last post there, and well before you added your comment.


 * I hope that clears up the legal issues for you. ReynTime (talk) 03:51, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
 * That stings a bit since I would have taken a question on if I was from the US first. I was trying to make a subtle point that you might be considering what is illegal to be what is not criminal but still unlawful, though it seems that you have that covered.  (Not to mention that you brought up illegal activities at the start of this discussion and I was more asking for a discussion on the article and not a discussion on law.)
 * Anyways, I will take that as the question was answered. I would like to note that I do not consider it an illegal link, but I will also note that you do consider it to be an unlawful link or something which is not criminal but possibly unlawful.  In addition, I can now clearly see your side of the issue.  From my point, I did not understand at the time that you were attempting to assist Amherst, though I am not sure if I am fully comfortable with the way is was done.  I am also not sure if this was the best course of action, though I can concluded it is likely one that might have reduced the liability of the parties, though that is for the law.  I will say that I would doubt that the case would be as solid as what you seem to be describing, but I will also say that it would be for the law to decide and not myself along with the fact that it appears to be your belief that it would likely result in issues for Amherst.
 * (Speaking of issues, since it does seem to be reasonable in your opinion for action to be taken, would you like to have Amherst to make a request for the Google cache archive to be pulled or updated? I ask since you have already taken action and since we did not discuss the article in the end.)
 * To begin to conclude this, you might note from my contributions that I post at odd or unusual hours. This is because I do not have a fixed schedule so that was the first opportunity for me to read the talk page and respond.  I did not have a chance to read the article at that time since it was retracted, all I had was what was said in the discussion and your comments was the one I reacted strongly to, though you did mention ArbCom.  (Also, if it was libel like you have said, then I have to accept that point since I have not read the article yet since I wanted to hear your side.)   --Super Goku V (talk) 05:58, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
 * It's not a good thing that the archive is out there but I don't know what the legalities are around automatic archival storage of websites, and I don't know who I would contact. It would be better for Ms. Quinn and her lawyer to chase down the traces of the article if she thinks it's worth the effort because the archive sites are more likely to listen to her wishes on the matter. Amherst was responsive because they risked getting named in a lawsuit but I think an automatic archive site has very little or no legal liability for material they have archived so they would be less motivated to act. I do know that in practical terms it's very difficult, frustrating, and time-consuming to get something removed from the Internet entirely after it's been archived -- it's actually a pretty big deal and you can read a little about the problem here.


 * And you are right, the solidity of the case wouldn't be my concern. It's considered the duty of responsible citizens to report suspected illegal issues when they see them happening, and then the people with expertise and standing can actually sort things out (cops/judges for criminal matters, lawyers for civil ones). Basically, the cops would rather you report a suspected break-in that turns out to be a neighbor who forgot his keys then have you ignore what looked like a break-in and have robbers get away with everything.  Similarly, if you spot a civil violation, it's usually considered more ethical to let people know than to say "Eh, none of my business" and walk away. You don't need a "solid" case to report a suspected issue; you just need a reasonable suspicion that something is amiss and needs attention.


 * I can provide an archive link to the article in question via email if you want to assess it for yourself. The statements in it were egregiously false; the student claimed he had "proof" of several events that have been thoroughly debunked for months now, and even made up some things apparently out of whole cloth -- as in saying that Zoe Quinn got a "follower" of hers to "hack and destroy a rival", which is the grossest possible mischaracterization of what occurred between her and The Fine Young Capitalists. I don't want to put the link here as linking to libelous material directly on WP is definitely bad (which is how this all got started) but I could email it to you, or you could track it down on one of the subReddits devoted to the Gamergate mess as I think they both have threads on the issue. ReynTime (talk) 06:21, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The right to be forgotten is something that I really dislike due to how the EU implemented it and is trying to affect all domains, but that is another issue for another place and time. That aside, I will say that at the very least this was a beneficial talk in my view.  I can understand where your point is coming from; I am just a bit conflicted if that is the path to take, though I feel that you have a path.  As for the archive, I was able to get one already from the Google Archive link.  Granted, it is easy since it just need a simple guess to what the URL would be.  Since the page has been taken down, I am not sure if the crawler will ever come back to that page, so it might become a permanent cache or something, which might be an issue for someone.  Back on track, I never read the article at all since I wanted to hear what your thoughts were, like in the third section of your recent comment, and see if I could understand your point.  Granted, this likely went better because of it instead proceeding to the discussion of the law since it made it clear what you view was.  So, I would like to thank you for that and the rest of this discussion.  I will say that you do make a very good point about not linking it here, so I guess that this will likely be where our discussion ends.  Let me know if you want to discussion anything else.  :)  Thanks again, --Super Goku V (talk) 06:43, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

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