User talk:Technical 13/2015/1

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure/delete
Technical13, you have been using Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure/delete and similar templates to track the old RfDs that need closing. You've been invoking them with. However, this is a problem. The requests for closure list is transcluded to the Admin's notice board, where it appeared as red links until I created redirects at Administrators' noticeboard/delete. These template calls will break again when the post is archived. You might need to consider a different solution to handling this. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 16:02, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Wasn't aware the are transcluded. I'll take care of that soon™ ;) — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 16:11, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * , sorry it took me so long to getting around to fixing this simple problem. I do believe it should now be resolved. :) — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 19:34, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Please remove me from your spam list
I have certainly never given you permission to add me to a list for religious spam, let alone to misuse the massmessage function to do so. Please remove me from your spam list, and I would strongly suggest you consider deleting it altogether. Mogism (talk) 20:02, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
 * - it's not "religious spam" - it's a holiday message. Delete it, move on, and play Grinch somewhere else. It was a very kind gesture. Dusti*Let's talk!* 20:17, 25 December 2014 (UTC)


 * , I agree with that this might not be an entirely appropriate use of  (although it isn't misuse either).  Removing you from this list would have resulted in you automatically being readded and receiving another Happy holidays next year, which is what I was trying to explain and why I even fixed it for you so that you wouldn't receive another message by deactivating your name.  You insisted on re-adding yourself it seemed.  Either way, since I was so unimpressed with how mms preformed in sending out the message, I've had the list deleted and have decided to write a WikiLove add-on script that will build a list of users based on a set of criteria and send out a set of happy holidays messages that meet a certain criteria.  There will be no-opt out for this function, and all messages will be from the user that sends them instead of a bot account adding the "personal feeling" that people seem to mostly be complaining about.  I hope you both have a wonderful new year and happy editing! — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 14:01, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Seasonal Greetings
Thanks for the good wishes! Same to you! How are things these days? Best, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 14:39, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Template:Archiveme
I reverted your edit - it's making the Template:Admin dashboard a huge list of single pages - suggest poll all these pages into a new category and just add that category to the dashboard. Ron h jones (Talk) 20:08, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Template:Weather box
Can you take a look at Template:Weather box and see if some of the problems can be fixed. It's not obvious what they are from the example used there so if you look at Cambridge Bay it's easier to see. Where the C figure converts to a whole number in F the .0 is dropped. Look at "Record high °C (°F)" for April which should be 6.1 (43.0). Then at January for "Precipitation mm (inches)" some of the inches are being given to three decimal places. They should all be at two decimal places for inches (U.S. standard) and one for mm or cm. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 13:28, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid that since that table is made with Module:WeatherBox, and I've little clue when it comes to Lua, I'm not going to be of much use to help you fix it. I'll also note that the table isn't HTML5 compliant since it uses the   attribute which has been deprecated in favor of css (note for my Lua s).  I'd be happy to take a closer look at the module tonight or tomorrow and see if I can't figure it out (I've dabbled, but have little confidence in my ability to actually fix anything in Lua) if no-one else beats me to it. :) — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 13:40, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Not a problem. It's been that way for a long time. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 21:47, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

An entire parameter for sections?
Hi.

or would do it. Why an entire new parameter?

Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 02:15, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Because there wasn't one, and I was going to add an option to set it as a piped link (for when the page and section title are REALLLLLLY long). Does it hurt anything?  The new parameter didn't break the ability to do it the other way. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 02:17, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * As a side note, your signature is in violation of WP:SIGAPP bullet 2, please fix it. Thanks. :) — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 02:23, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Strange. Why didn't you wrap it in Format link? Also ! can be used, right? Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 02:20, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Requires a lot of needless extra typing. I wouldn't use the template directly at all if Twinkle has support for posing TBs like this on project talk pages (it's limited to user talk pages). — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 02:23, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Alright. It doesn't seem like a good idea from where I am standing but let's see what happens.
 * In addition my signature is:"Codename Lisa (talk) 02:30, 4 January 2015 (UTC)" It is not customized. If you are talking about the right after "Best regards", I add it out of my own volition. It is very hypocritical to make "Best regards" written automatically. If one means it, one must type it every single time.
 * Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 02:30, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I've restored my change and added the ability to make it a piped link with that information. The new parameters have been documented, and I'm guessing most people will never know that option exists and it will be likely only a handful of editors that use it.
 * I apologize for assuming it was part of your signature, that is how it appears. It would be an interesting discussion, but I'm assuming that it doesn't matter if the  is part of your signature or added manually, it is still a policy violation and shouldn't be done.  Perhaps getting in the habit of typing   would be more appropriate?  Happy editing! — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 02:39, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't see any policy that says don't do it. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 09:36, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * WP:SIGAPP bullet 2 says don't do it. It says "Do not add".  No-where does it specify or imply that it only applies to your coded signature in your preferences.  — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 12:59, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * SIGAPP applies to signature customization only because it is an extremely bad idea to have an arbitrary line break everywhere, one that has huge potential repercussions. But I see nothing wrong with consciously inserting a line break where common sense does not bar or requires.
 * Best regards,
 * Codename Lisa (talk) 14:34, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Exempt project cats

 * Xfr'd from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Templates

I cheated by writing a blurp of disposable .js code that opened all of the pages 10 at a time in new tabs in my browser with ?action=purge&forcelinkupdate=true appended to the end. It did 10 at a time, waited 30 seconds in between starting each set, and closed sets after two minutes. Naming-convention policy applies to content cats, which these aren't. As for where I got that idea,  has things like  which has been around since 13:35, August 21, 2005.‎  — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 23:54, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, okay, it looks as though you come by the idea honestly . I'm taking a break and when I come back, I hope you can show me a policy or guideline that provides the exemption for project cats.  Just because a cat does not follow naming-convention policy for ten years doesn't make it right, now does it?  Also, did you note that the particular cat in question is actually an article category and not a project category?  All of its entries are in mainspace.  That's allowed as long as the maint. cat is hidden. –  Paine    00:09, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Archiving large user talk pages
Hello Technical 13. I saw your request at Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure to close the open RfC. I was thinking about closing that, but there is one idea to consider first. I suggest that you might cautiously start to archive some of those, assuming you find these criteria reasonable: If you believe these steps are OK, I'd suggest beginning with a few of those pages and wait to see if there is any reaction. Consider User talk:Fabregas0414. They have not edited since 21 July 2014. Most of their talk page consists of automated newsletters. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 03:20, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) Start with users who have not edited Wikipedia for three months or more
 * 2) Begin with pages where the user has already created at least one numbered archive
 * 3) Archive the talk page into the next sequential number
 * 4) If the talk page contains any automated newsletters like the Signpost, unsubscribe the person from those newsletters
 * 5) Leave a note for the user about what you did.

One Click Archiver Bug
This was reported to me by a fellow editor after I used OCA.

Here are the diffs of what was removed


 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Shooting_of_Michael_Brown&diff=641103107&oldid=641102565
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Shooting_of_Michael_Brown&diff=641119383&oldid=641118799
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Shooting_of_Michael_Brown&diff=641119513&oldid=641119451
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Shooting_of_Michael_Brown&diff=641119537&oldid=641119513

This is the content that was put into the archive https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AShooting_of_Michael_Brown%2FArchive_25&diff=641119532&oldid=641027217

I am unsure why this breaks/fixes things, but adding an extra line break fixes the archived version (view the page before and after. In the before the TOC is screwed up, and the headers do not appear correctly for the archived sections) . https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Shooting_of_Michael_Brown/Archive_25&diff=641139872&oldid=641119532 Gaijin42 (talk) 21:09, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * , I believe the issue you have reported is fixed in 's (Original by ) OneClickArchiver (Original) script. You are using the historic version of the script which does not address this issue.  In order to use the new version of the script you will need to replace:
 * with: in your common.js. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 21:24, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Put User:Technical_13/Scripts/OneClickArchiver.js instead. You forgot to put "User:" in it. Anyhow, good script. Fai  zan  21:32, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Correct, it would be . — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 21:37, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Template:Sectionlink
Thanks for the substing help! Nyttend (talk) 13:50, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

AfC
Hi. I know it's a bit  old now but  I  think  all  members of AfC need to  be a bit  more cautious when encouraging individual users to participate in  backlog  drives. I'm reverting on  average one addition  to  WikiProject Articles for creation/Participants every  week  or so, so  obviously  the instructions there are not  working. I went  to  a lot  of trouble to  get  those criteria introduced but  I'm  at  loss to  see how we can insist  on them more thoroughly  without  being  bitey. I might strat  an RfC on  an idea I  have that  may  work, --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:28, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
 * , that's because my proposal to protect with WP:PINKLOCK or WP:REDLOCK was rejected by the AfC community, as was my proposal for an abuse filter to make sure that only editors with 500 edits and 90 days experience (per the requirements) can edit that page.  There is a clique of editors who have taken OWNership of AfC and no-one else can get a word in or do anything without their approval.  I've all but given up at this point on trying to make any progress.  I have a large scale project planned to create a mw:Extension:GuidedTour to replace the existing WP:RA and WP:AFC processes and NPP may even be interested in this idea of mine. I've hinted at it many times, and I just need to get a prototype put together on testwiki before I can go any further with the idea.  I'm not worried about it being rejected by the community here because I plan on using it on another project where I'm a steward and collaborator on the hosting for. Anyways, I'm sure you understand my frustration because I believe I've seen you have similar frustrations.  Happy editing. :) — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 15:44, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I expect you've noticed how I and at least one other admin 'dinosaur' have practically stopped participating in discussions on reform of AfC - and for those reasons. In contrast, there's nothing wrong with the NPP system, in fact it's a brilliant piece of engineering. It was created for us by the WMF largely under pressure from me with the help of a very small group of others. At no time however, did we claim ownership of it - that was done by a junior part-time employee who was later allocated to our work group to be simply a coordinator between the Foundation's devs and the volunteers. He went on to publicly take the credit for the whole initiative. We were shocked at this WMF 'usurpation' but we had got the software we wanted so we didn't complain much. The only downside to NPP is that in spite of being by far the most important new-article filter of all, totally ironically it has no recommended levels of experience for patrollers at all, no work group, no mother project, and no interction whasoever between the individual patrollers. That's why it's often called the lonliest maintenance corner of Wikipedia - and that's why the qualty of rewiewing there is pretty awful, and has a backlog of over ten thousand pages. So we're still stuck with a lovely suite of tools and very few users with sufficient clue to use them. AfC on the other hand, although it has the 'Draft' namspace (which BTW, I also pioneered) has an incomprehensible mess of script which is a constant work in progress, people who are battling for barnstars, and some who with the best will in the world can't discuss things calmly.


 * The best solution would be to merge AfC drafts into the New Pages Feed, add the AfC Helper Script features to the Curation Toolbar, and create a software defined new user group for the reviewers. I've had several real life discussions at various venues with senior Foundation staff who all agree in principle that it is technically feasible and that it might ultimately be the best solution rather than reinventing a wheel for AfC which has simply become more of a battle ground for competing programmers than an essential task to be done. Note that probably because there is no collaborative project surrounding NPP, it doesn't play silly stick-and-carrot games of backlog drives. Such initiatives IMHO would only invite more of the wrong people and reduce the quality even further. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:48, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Module:Episode list
I have reactivated a request at Module talk:Episode list with which you've had involvement. I realise that you're not comfortable with Lua, but the recent change there is causing problems in hundreds, possibly thousands, of articles and requires a quick resolution. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 15:10, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
 * As you are apparently aware,, I'd prefer not to make changes to most Lua modules as they are out of my comfort zone at the moment. I see my question at the bottom of the discussion was never answered, but I'm afraid you'll have to get a Lua person to resolve this for you.  Perhaps , , or  can help you with this matter.  Good luck! — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 15:24, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I understand, but a simple reversion to the pre-problematic code is all that is needed, and you're the only one around. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 15:26, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I haven't been able to resolve this issue so I've asked for help at WP:ANI. Since I've mentioned you, I'm obligated to notify you of that. The discussion is here. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 16:39, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

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Template:Admin dashboard
Any idea why Template:Admin dashboard/rfarfp, Template:Admin dashboard/footer, & Template:Documentation are only showing as links rather than transcluding? Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 08:00, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
 * , I'm guessing that something above them has a major backlog that needs to be trimmed down or some archiving that needs to be done. This happens everytime one of those pages gets too big.  It's actually on my todo list to create a toollabs replacement for Admin dashboard (which is why I added the wrapper div the other day) to reduce these issues being an issue. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 13:24, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I thought it might have been something to do with size. That sounds like a great idea! Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 13:26, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

please help
can you resolve the Village_pump_(technical) issue by you doing edits to correct templates/compositions as you proposed there becuase i dont know how so can you please help Dannis243 (talk) 12:30, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
 * you are WP:FORUMSHOPPING again. It will do you no good at all to endlessly post in different places - various people have already given several different replies, and it is difficult for us to keep track of who has said what, and where. I have already directed you to WP:MULTI: please take note of what it says. -- Red rose64 (talk) 15:14, 10 January 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry,, I don't have time to take on this project at this point in time. My priority is currently fixing xtools, finishing the next batch of improvements to 1CA, working on the SpamUNblock script that I was asked for quite some time ago by an administrator, fixing my edit counting script, and working on developing my closeRfC script for WP:ANRFC.  I honestly just have way too many projects right now.  I suggest that you continue your discussion on the main forum and stop forumshopping as  has indicated in the post above this one.  Good luck! — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 21:19, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Images
Hi Technical 13! I was wondering how you get the images on your user page. Like the trout, auto patrolled rights, Mass Message, Account creator rights, Template editor rights, & all the others that you have up there. Please place below to notify me! Have a nice day! Thanks, †2†ťəäçħ†4†ӛṿəř 20:20, 10 January 2015 (UTC) 17:20, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ Never mind. I figured out how to do it. †2†ťəäçħ†4†ӛṿəř 20:20, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey there! Those are Top Icon templates and you can find a lot of them in .  Happy editing! — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 21:04, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

YGM
YGM. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:36, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
 * ACK — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 00:07, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

MediaWiki talk:Titleblacklist# Wilayats of ISIL
I'm back again. I got distracted by the weatherbox and forgot the real reason I came here. Is MediaWiki talk:Titleblacklist doable. See this for a bit of background. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 08:24, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Based on the list, the best way to go about this is to blacklist  since most of them have   appended to the end, but there are a couple that have ISIL without the . The question is, are there any valid uses for   elsewhere? — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 13:41, 3 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Do ISIL & ISIL (disambiguation) count? –  Paine 
 * Already created, so tbl can't block creation. Fixed my code up there, it should be casesensitive instead of moveonly. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 18:54, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
 * One of the requesters here. The technicalities of blacklist are beyond me, but creating a page like Military of ISIL or War crimes by ISIL needs to be ok. It is the combination of Wilayat+ISIL that is the big problem. Thanks Legacypac (talk) 05:13, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Then requesting  should do it I would think.  I'm not 100% on the tbl because I've never had to add anything specifically myself since I'm not an admin yet (I know the regex, just not how the handle tags like noedit and autoconfirmed and whatnot work); perhaps some input from  on the matter might be good. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 12:31, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Then. and then another for .*Wilayet.*Islamic State.* - is that ok? Legacypac (talk) 16:53, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * If TBL allows it, you should be able to merge it all into one as . — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 17:07, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, that will work. I recommend using titleblacklist-custom-wilayat-isil as the name of the errmsg though. Jackmcbarn (talk) 18:41, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey, As one of the requesters, I'd like to know how much the process of black listing has progressed? Thanks Mhhossein (talk) 16:09, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

OCA idea
I was archiving Joan Jett's talk page and after seeing the number of clicks/edits which seems excessive, so how hard would it be to 1). Add a check box next to the section archive link to select one or more sections. 2). Add a link that (maybe) floats above the first section, named something like "Archive batch" that would archive all sections selected via the check box ? Just an idea   Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 17:07, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Being able to archive multiple sections simultaneously is actually already on the todo list. It's going to be a little while before I can get to that though. I need to finish and push live the ability to respect maxarchivesize first. I also need to squash the bug of it not archiving the section that it is suppose to be archiving.
 * The reason that happens is because currently the script gets the content of the section (by section number) to be archived, append that section to the archive, and then does a section edit returning a blank section to that section number. What is happening is if a section above it is archived or added between when the page loads and the archival takes place, then the number is wrong and it archives the wrong section.
 * What I need to do is have it get the content of the section to be archived, append that content to the archive, get the content of the whole page, strip the content of that section from the content of the whole page, then post and edit to the whole page back at once.
 * Once I get that fix in place, then it won't be too hard to add the checkboxes and have the script gather the content of multiple sections and do them all in one shot. I was planning on adding the checkboxes and just using the existing |Archive link to carry out the action. In order to add this functionality, I need to make some fairly substantial changes to how the core of the script for how it handles the archiving, and that's going to take a little time (especially where I'm spread so thin with 3 other scripts I'm working on and trying to fix the xtools memory leak that keeps causing it to crash, which is my current priority. :) OneClickArchiver's code is on GitHub if you want to submit a pull request and work on some of that. :) Happy editing! — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 21:15, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Replied in IRC.  Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 00:31, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Question about the auto-archiver
Two questions I was hoping you could answer about the auto-archiver Your help will be much appreciated. Atsme ☯  Consult  02:30, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) Is there any way to make "off" be the default? I change it in the drop down menu, and it stays off for that session, but then it comes back when I leave the page and come back to it.
 * 2) The archiver wants to archive everything in Archive 3 but I have 5 archives. Is there a way to set the archive number?
 * I'm guessing you are using Google Chrome without knowing your . This is a known bug for Chrome, and I haven't found a workaround or hack for it yet.  This leaves you with two options, (i) use another browser that doesn't have issues with knowing if something is visible or not or (ii) wait for Google to fix Chrome.  As for your other question. OneClickArchiver archives everything into whatever archive your counter is set at.  If it is always archiving to Archive 3 and you want it to archive to Archive 5, then change 3 to 5. Happy archiving! — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 03:05, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thx - I'm using Safari v 8.02 on a Mac - 10.10.1 Yosemite Atsme  &#9775;  Consult  01:13, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

My Signature
Do you like my new signature?—cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-13.5ex;color:\#FF8C00;font-family:Comic Sans MS"><span style="color:\#FF8C00">Chat:Limited Access 18:33, 13 January 2015 (UTC) File:CP678 new sig ss.png
 * I'll be honest, not really. The letters are too small for me to read and the bottom overlaps the top. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 18:37, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Can you show me a screenshot. No matter how big I make the text, they don't overlap.—cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-13.5ex;color:\#FF8C00;font-family:Comic Sans MS"><span style="color:\#FF8C00">Chat:Limited Access 18:39, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 18:43, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I overwrote your file showing you how it looks for me.—cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-13.5ex;color:\#FF8C00;font-family:Comic Sans MS"><span style="color:\#FF8C00">Chat:Limited Access 21:39, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
 * What I notice is that it contains unbalanced HTML tags: both of the are unclosed. In addition, there are backslashes in the second and third   that probably shouldn't be there. Some browsers will ignore them, but you can't rely on that. -- Red rose64 (talk) 22:22, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
 * They've been omitted because MW automatically fixes that allowing me to reduce char count. As for the backslashes, MW splits my code into 3 lines which causes disruption.  The backslash stops that.—cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-13.5ex;color:\#FF8C00;font-family:Comic Sans MS"><span style="color:\#FF8C00">Chat:Limited Access 22:25, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
 * That is very bad practice. It is HTML Tidy doing this, but you should never rely on it. There are situations where Tidy does not work and that will cause your signature to result in malformed pages.  23:27, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

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Vandal Blocker User Group
Hello Technical13, I've been highly interested in User:Jackmcbarn's original idea about a vandal blocker/stopper/fighter user group since they originally had this idea around 2 months back at Village pump (idea lab)/Archive 15. There was a similar need like this for those users who wanted to work with protected templates and modules which ultimately lead to Requests for comment/Template editor user right and finally created the template editor user right for them. And today it is highly useful for those people who do not want to be admins and just want to work in their area of interest. I would also highly appreciate if you and/or someone else could help me draft an RfC outlining its full procedure and process through which we can get the consensus for establishing this user right as well. Regards. TheGeneralUser (talk) 22:01, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
 * , is there a centralized discussion for this topic someplace? I see you've posted this on at least few user's talk pages that I watch, and in order to get everyone on the same page, I suggest creating a central location for discussion of the topic.  When you choose one, I'll be happy to comment there. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 23:05, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi
I don't think I'll be able to add content to any of these articles (too far from my expertise or interest) but I'd be happy to copyedit Reisman once it's more developed. But for the moment there aren't even sources, and I can't really tell what he's supposed to be notable for. Ping me when you're further along. Thanks for helping pull me out of the ANI swamp. What planet is he from, anyway? EEng (talk) 03:00, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Help With Tables/Templates
Yesterday, I was RetroGamer on the IRC chat. I have finished creating a sample to show you the type of table I am working on. It is here. Thanks for helping yesterday. --Donkey Kong Fanatic (talk) 14:37, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Font tags spotted in the wild
See Talk:87th Academy Awards. User Lugnuts has font tags in their sig. Sic 'em! Hey, you could create a user subpage where people could post these usernames. ― Mandruss  &#9742;  15:39, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
 * *sigh* As much as bad coding is a pet peeve of mine, I'm not the signature police. You are more than welcome to ask the user to change their signature yourself, and you are more than welcome to use  to make it easier to do so.  I'm more than happy to help you with them if you find one that is really long and you're struggling to keep it within 255 characters or if you find them doing something you've never seen before that isn't listed on the HTML element page or there isn't a replacement for on the WP:HTML5 page.  I believe I've requested Lugnuts to change their signature before, and I believe they were not interested.  So, unless you want to make a big stink about it someplace, just let it be until WP:FLOW gets here and everyone's custom signature goes away.  :) —   15:50, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
 * If Flow will arrive before browsers drop their font tag support, "let it be" would appear to be the wisest approach (and in fact I don't see a problem to begin with). I wasn't aware that was the case. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  17:10, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I can make no assertion as to exactly when FLOW will arrive. It may be a few months, it may be a few years, or the community could reject it like so many other things the WMF tries to offer lately (there's some bad blood there somewhere and lines are clearly drawn between foundation staff and some of the members of the various communities they host and serve code for) in which case it could be never.  There are so many instances of bad code out there by user's who don't know it is bad and would be more than happy to change it if asked nicely, that I don't find it worth my time to make any more fuss at this time when I find users that don't want to comply with the policy unless there is a real issue.  Using deprecated code isn't breaking anything today (tomorrow is a different story, and we won't know until it gets here), so I figure that I'll try to get as many people updated as are willing to update and the rest can be forced to comply later when things break. —   20:10, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Okalie dokalie! &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  20:20, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Since you requested updates
Along with the rest of the over-thread, your comments/questions at ANI have apparently now been archived. Admin still on break. Softlavender (talk) 23:27, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm aware. When I see them back, I'll ask them to take a look and decide... —   23:38, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Manhattan
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Unblock request

 * Thank you for taking the time to review my request . I appreciate it and look forward to your finding whatever it may be. —   03:33, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Again, I thank you for taking the time to review. I originally re-opened the discussion after requesting, who has been mostly inactive since the closing, self-revert his improper closure. That reversion of the closure was supported by Administrators' noticeboard/Archive268.  My reversion of Hasteur's involved closure of the section was supported by the fact that it was a deliberate and intentional attempt to disrupt the usability of Wikipedia for its editors, administrators, developers, and other people who work to create content for and help run Wikipedia and indicates it was indeed vandalism which defines it as not edit warring. This was supported in the ANI discussion be . I fully understand that I was blocked for reverting vandalism. I fully understand that it doesn't matter that it was vandalism.  The problem with this block is that blocks are only supposed to be used to prevent harm to the wiki, but all that this block is doing is preventing proper discussion of the issue. Anyways, thank you again for taking the time to review my request.  I appreciate, despite not agreeing with, your answer. —   04:17, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Blocked
I have blocked you for 48 hours and pulled your Rollback for edit warring at Bot owners' noticeboard. --Guerillero (talk · contribs) 01:49, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * please see my request above. There was no edit warring.  There was an enforcement of 's direct instruction to Hasteur to not close that section.  This was done using the "undo" feature, and not the rollback right.  Also, there was a discussion immediately started at ANI about the issue, which degrades any claims that you might make that this was intended to prevent me from edit warring or being disruptive. Thank you for this consideration. —   01:57, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Your arguments here and on irc do not sway me; xaosflux asked both of you not to edit war. --Guerillero (talk · contribs) 02:47, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Your claim that you blocked me for edit warring doesn't hold a lot of water, since there was no edit warring. There was only a reversion of vandalism which is defined by point 4 as not edit warring and a version of  that was restoring said vandalism with a clear edit summary to see the AN discussion which was immediately started. —   02:59, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * FYI: I commented on this at ANI (Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents). — xaosflux  Talk 03:02, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I saw your comment and got the ping. I'm wondering why Hasteur still hasn't been blocked for his disruptive behaviour for which my original report on ANI was about and why I'm still not unblocked so I can discuss it directly on ANI myself. I even went so far as to go directly to IRC to request someone else to post the ANI notice on Hasteur's talk page as he has requested I never comment on his talk page and as a show of good faith towards his requested interaction ban last week on AN.  Not sure what more I could have done. I'll note that I've never used the rollback link on any page because I've not had a rollback link for a very long time.  I got the rollback right solely for the purpose of being able to try out and use Stiki and Huggle and had removed the rollback links using the js code that I offered in T48412 via greasemonky in Firefox.  I rarely use the default undo edit summary per WP:REVEXP, I type them out.  The format I used is the same one I typed out earlier today in my undoing of some edits by Becky Sayles (so it was in my dropdown) and I just had to change the names used. —   03:14, 25 January 2015 (UTC)


 * T13, take a breather, accept that it was edit-warring—however good you believe your intentions might have been. Yes, taking it to the noticeboard, or even just pinging other editors would be a more effective way forward if something similar happens again.  —Sladen (talk) 04:37, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for stopping by . I've been around long enough to know how this all works, and as I've said in many other discussions on multiple various topics, I take nothing on-wiki personally.  I'm as cool as a cucumber right now.  I would be happy to accept it was edit warring if others are willing to accept that my reversion of the closing was a reversion of vandalism.  As I said, I just wish to continue discussion on the ANI where it is appropriate, and this block has had zero effect except to prevent the expected behavior which is discussion of the issue on the appropriate noticeboard.  I've already decided that any future such actions by Hasteur I'm not going to revert and I'm just going to start a discussion on the appropriate forum, or possibly by email to the appropriate committee. —   04:46, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * It's only a 48 hour block. Whether you accept it or not, this isn't indefinite: just do something else and get over it. Thr 48 hours will pass by. -- <sup style="font-weight:normal; color:#00E">t  numbermaniac  <sup style="color:#00E">c  05:56, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I do realize that. It's an inappropriate block, as many have agreed upon, and it is preventing proper discussion at ANI and is thus a disruptive block which is damaging the encyclopedia. —   06:03, 25 January 2015 (UTC)


 * As far as i see at the moment, yes, the rollback was not a proper use of rollback. There's an Undo button for a reason that also allows an edit summary, so proper discussion can be made. Though in terms of the block, i don't see it needed, a warning in my opinion would suffice with proper discussion continuing afterwards before anything was actually done. <span style="color:#000000; font-family:Courier, sans-serif;">Lor <sup style="color:#556B2F;">Talk 5:11 pm, Today (UTC+11) I will quickly add that i do support the Rollback rights being given back though, as i believe that they were not warned properly if anything. <span style="color:#000000; font-family:Courier, sans-serif;">Lor <sup style="color:#556B2F;">Talk  06:27, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Two things. Firstly, Hasteur's edits are not "obvious vandalism" as cited by point 4 of WP:3RRNO; they're hardly in the same class as "page blanking and adding offensive language", and you've said that he's trying to intentionally cause disruption but I haven't seen evidence of that--he's just stretching WP:IAR a bit thin and failing to AGF, from the looks of it. Also, Vandalism seems to undermine your "vandalism" argument, not support it. If I were you I'd acknowledge these things in your unblock request and promise always to use explanatory edit summaries when reverting non-vandalism. Secondly, I believe what you say about rollback (especially since typing in the text of MediaWiki:Revertpage really isn't that hard; I've seen people do it in order to pretend to be rollbackers) and therefore removing the rollback right doesn't accomplish much. Thirdly, that editnotice has an awful lot of stuff in it (I had to scroll down to get to the edit window) and I'm not convinced all of it is necessary advice--couldn't some of it be moved onto the talk page itself? Fifthly, two days isn't very long. ekips <b style="color: #162">39</b> 06:49, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Xtools
Xtools gives an Internal error. Another problem with Xtools is that, too often, its server is too slow, not just when navigating but even just to show visitors its main page. It seems (tools.)wmflabs.org could use an upgrade. Related: maybe you could discuss with User:MusikAnimal, User:cyberpower678, User:Hedonil, User:Yksin and User:TParis where editors can best leave comments about Xtools to keep related discussions on the same - a single - Talk page. Right now they are scattered over various Talk pages. You could all add a message to your Talk pages to point Xtools users in the right direction (a page on wikitech.wikimedia.org or en.wp). --82.136.210.153 (talk) 13:46, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
 * We've just deployed the edit counter onto a new branch on toollabs. With the edit counter now running on tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-ec, it should run a lot faster.—cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-13.5ex;color:\#FF8C00;font-family:Comic Sans MS"><span style="color:\#FF8C00">Chat:Limited Access 13:49, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Legacy JavaScript notice on Meta
Hi. I got your notice about deprecated JavaScript in my common.js file on the Meta site.

Can you recheck this page and confirm that I have (or have not) satisfactorily fixed the problems you noted?

And should I also make the same sorts of changes to my JavaScript pages here on the English Wikipedia? — Rich wales (no relation to Jimbo) 02:18, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey, everything looks like it should work without a problem. You should update all scripts on all wikis the same way.  What ever scripts you use the same on all wikis you should probably add to your Meta:Special:MyPage:global.js instead of updating them all individually. Something to think about. :) Happy coding! —   03:07, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. When I clicked the Meta:Special:MyPage:global.js link, I got a "No such special page" error notice that didn't contain any option to create the page.  I assume I should use meta:User:Richwales/global.js instead in order to create this page, right?  —  Rich wales (no relation to Jimbo) 03:26, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes. :) —  05:00, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
 * The easy link should have been Meta:Special:MyPage/global.js —  05:04, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

PS. Please take Editrequest away from all 253 pages, as I don't think it requires sysop's action (just that user). &mdash; <span style="color:green;font-family:Courier new, serif;font-variant:small-caps">Revi 05:12, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
 * , a good majority of those editors are no longer active, and the only other editors that can fix the problem are administrators. I'll be working on making this less aggressive today once I finish up with the current requests for help by half a dozen editors who saw the message and needed some help.  I plan on creating a template that I will replace the Editrequest with that will still place them in the sub-category which can go in the edit request category.  Then, unless the template is marked as done or disabled in the normal way, it will place all talk pages for scripts without any activity back in the protected edit request category after three months as it will be evident that those users are inactive.  Give me to the end of the days and what your asking for should be addressed. :) —   15:26, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Y'know, you might want to leave a message on users' talk pages, rather than just on the talk pages of the scripts; I happen to have them on my "email me" watchlist, and so was notified, but such was not always the case. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 17:38, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
 * , I've gotten quite a few mentions from the discussions, requests on my talk pages (on various projects, I'm also currently working on this on Meta, Commons, and MediaWiki wiki as well), and via email. Once those settle down, if Steward requests/Global permissions goes through I'll go through and clean up the rest myself. The lack of posts directly on the user's talk pages is actually providing a buffer that is keeping too many requests for help updating from coming in all at once.  Thanks for stopping by and mentioning it though! Happy coding! —   18:03, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Um. I don't know about anyone else, but I would be extremely uncomfortable with anyone editing my scripts without checking with me first. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 07:15, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * As I commented on the discussion on Meta, that was the reason for the notification on each script's talk page. Those that would be uncomfortable would be watching their script pages (such as yourself and I) and would have gotten the notifications, the rest can be assumed are much less technically inclined and would rather have all scripts be a check-box on a preferences page and never have to deal with them except to turn them on or off.  That's my take on it anyways, and some of these scripts haven't been maintained in years despite having a reasonable rate of usage and need to be fixed by someone. —   15:58, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

I hear you
About this: I hear you. I've been in that place before, and I don't enjoy it. WhatamIdoing (talk) 07:09, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

A proofreading issue with X! Edit counter
I love that edit counter. But at some point in making translated versions, the German "Artikel" was left in the English version for all instances of "Article" space. I picked you to point this out to - please pass it on to someone else if you like. Yngvadottir (talk) 21:12, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I actually noticed this the other day myself. It was added to the bottom of my list of things to fix as getting the tools stable so it doesn't keep locking up and crashing is the current focus.  It will certainly be addressed before long though, and thank you for the written reminder. Happy editing! —   21:28, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

additional comment
Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents NE Ent 00:26, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Interaction ban
Hi. I pinged you at ANI, but just to make sure you don't miss it. Because both you and Hasteur have at various points requested a mutual interaction ban, I didn't see a point to further discussion, and enacted it. Please read WP:Interaction ban and make sure you don't accidentally violate anything. In general, though, the underying philosophy is: "If the other person is doing something "wrong", it is not your problem anymore. Sooner or later, someone else will notice.  If they don't, it's probably not as important as you think, so it is still not your problem anymore". So take their talk page off your watchlist, don't mention or refer to them directly or indirectly, ignore their bot requests, etc., and you should both be much happier. Do not contact an admin privately if you think they're doing something "wrong", because they are not your problem anymore.

There is, unfortunately, some uncertainty among different editors about whether subjects of an interaction ban should report violations of the interaction ban by the other via email, or on-wiki. To be honest, I would suggest not reporting them yourself; if it's big enough to matter, surely someone else will notice. But if that isn't acceptable to you, I suggest privately contacting someone experienced whom you trust to see if they agree it's a violation, and only if they agree, publicly requesting someone do something about it at ANI. That way you've gotten a little feedback beforehand to reduce the chance of a boomerang.

Let me know if you have questions. I hope this results in both of you being happier. --Floquenbeam (talk) 18:24, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
 * It would use a useful feature, one you might be able to code, to have silent moderation on Wikipedia. Each user could have a file with a list of users they want to ignore, and any edits by those users would magically disappear from the watchlist and from the notices/pings list. This would make it much easier to ignore somebody. Jehochman Talk 18:32, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I've seen forum-type web sites with an "ignore" feature. If anyone ever codes one for WP, I might just want to know about it for myself, although it would probably be a shorter list if I ignored everyone except those on a "don't ignore" list. I'd probably be on your ignore list, though, wouldn't I Jehochman? :) --Floquenbeam (talk) 18:36, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Not at all! Your comments are consistently interesting, insightful, or entertaining, even though I might not agree with some of them. Jehochman Talk 19:11, 26 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for stopping by. I've removed myself from WP:AfC to avoid issues.  While your "ignore" feature is an interesting idea and I could certainly code such a thing, I'm afraid that it would be a catch-22.  If you can't see the user anymore, you can't know if you are responding to a topic in which they are involved and by doing so put yourself at risk if creating drama and getting yourself in trouble.  —   20:58, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Revamped infobox template with new graphics
T13, are you available to help with the technical and design aspects of this effort:, ,. I suspect the coding for the new parameters will be simple. The upgraded graphics may or may not take some time, depending on your versatility with those aspects of coding. When done, I want the revamped version to be much more refined, and to employ a more sophisticated graphic design. Please advise as to your availability over the next 7 to 10 days. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:28, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
 * How much coding is there to actually do though? I don't expect there to be much. I'll take a closer look the start of next week (I've had/got people visiting everyday since Thursday/Sunday for my birthday on the 15th, so I'm a tad distracted). :) — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 23:02, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for moving this thread. I've been operating remotely the last several days, and I did not realize I was in your 2013 talk page archive until I saved my post.  Then I didn't have enough bandwidth to correct it.  Aggravating.  FYI, I'm home now.
 * Regarding the template, I need to have a very good sandbox mock-up ready to present in about 10 to 14 days, and there will probably be some back-and-forth between the conceptualist (me) and the coder (you) before the revamped template is ready to present to WP:CFB members for reaction. I'll ping you next Monday or Tuesday after your house guests have departed.  Thanks for volunteering -- this is one of the "projects" I had in mind when I pinged you last October about future help.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 23:10, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. No worries. :) — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 23:18, 16 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Hey, T13, following up, as promised. Can you take a look at this template and the suggestions for parameters changes and revamped graphics and design, and report back?  I'm trying to maintain critical interest moving forward regarding the attention of 20+ editors, and I need to show some progress to keep that attention focused.  Cheers.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:46, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Template:Infobox college football player/sandbox/Dirtlawyer1 seems like as good of a place as any. Can put testcases on Template:Infobox college football player/testcases/Dirtlawyer1. —   15:18, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay,, there are a couple testcases and a base template with the current template adapted to the revised parameter names. Getting some breakfast but will add other parameters after that.  Any specific layout for them? —   15:52, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, T13. The updated graphics and design ideas are listed here: User:Dirtlawyer1/sandbox3.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:58, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * , I have a question for you. How would you feel about bringing  in to help on this project?  They've recently had some issues, but I've observed them and would like to give them a chance to improve the skills they lack.  I see the potential to be a valuable template editor, and would like to give them a chance to demonstrate it.  I'd monitor their changes and since I'd be spending the time to make the changes anyways, it might actually save me more time than I spend reviewing changes.  If you're opposed, that's fine, and I thought it would be best to see what you thought about the idea instead of just doing it.  :) —   02:25, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
 * T13, I anticipate there will be a measure of controversy associated with this revamped template before we are done. I need an experienced coder who is not only able to create the simplest, most elegant, most current consensus code, but I also need a knowledgeable and articulate coder who can explain why things were coded the way they were.  Before we are done, I fully expect that Freitjes will engage with the revised template effort, and there will be one or more editors who will question why we can't do something more to their liking.  There is going to be a political element to this before we're done-- probably not the best learning experience for the new guy.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 04:21, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Fair enough and agreed. I'll finish the first draft tomorrow. :) —   04:43, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Any progress to report, Boss? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:06, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Big blizzard here on the east coast, power keeps going out and I'm all but reduced to my cell phone at this point. Hopefully the power stabilizes in a day or two. —   02:58, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Understood. My mistake: I thought you were in the Pacific Northwest, not the Northeast.  I hope you're enjoying your belated White Christmas -- or, at a minimum, you're not in charge of shoveling the snow.  Cheers.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 22:37, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
 * , all parameters are in there, and I expect you'll want things shuffled and formatted. Poke at it and let me know if you need help. :) —   22:59, 28 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Hey, T13. Can you make a run at the graphics and colors, as described here: User:Dirtlawyer1/sandbox3?  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:09, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Checking in boss: any forward motion regarding colors and and graphics? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 23:25, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

ClueBot III archiving of WP:ANRFC
Hi Technical 13. ClueBot III archived an unclosed discussion from WP:ANRFC. Would you look into how to fix this? Thank you, Cunard (talk) 21:33, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * ClueBot III does not check for whether a discussion is closed or not; it goes by the length of time since the last edit to the thread. For threads on Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure, this is 40 days. 27 December plus 40 days is 6 February. -- Red rose64 (talk) 23:02, 9 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Actually it's marked as done or 40 days untouched. I'm not sure where the time til archive came from but I think the idea behind it was that if a discussion has been sitting around that long without being touched at all that is probably because it's not something that officially needs to be closed. If you disagree you may unarchive and mark it as DNAU which is respected by Cluebot, Miszabot, and OneClickArchiver. :) —  23:55, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I've changed the archiving time to 300 days. A closure request should be archived only when an uninvolved editor closes the discussion or says that closing the discussion would not be helpful. Cunard (talk) 20:40, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * That's fine by me, like I said, I don't think I'm the one that came up with that time limit and I think it was kind of short myself after seeing how things work on that board. I'm hoping that I'll have some free time before too much longer to put some more effort into User:Technical 13/Scripts/Gadget-closeRfC.js to make it easier to close requests in the order of longest waiting first and all from one page. —   20:50, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Sounds good! I look forward to User:Technical 13/Scripts/Gadget-closeRfC.js which will be useful to closers who want to look at the oldest requests first. Cunard (talk) 00:17, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Template:Archive basics
Hi T13, I think the red error message at the top of User talk:P-123 might have something to do with your latest edit to Template:Archive basics. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 10:24, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
 * , yes. I'll fix it in a bit, will need to test for that and make appropriate mathematical accommodations. Thanks for letting me know. —  11:40, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
 * , this task is ✅. —  12:12, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Reference Errors on 31 January
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Template:Please see
Hi.

Your mannerism has certainly gone downhill a lot; but for now, I've sandboxed revision #644940455 in Template:Please see/sandbox for discussions regarding its rendering errors.

Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 07:56, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

RfC - Helper Script access
An RfC has been opened at RfC to physically restrict access to the Helper Script. You are invited to  comment. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:14, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Question about user interface
Hi Technical. Sometime ago I went to my preferences and chose from the menu to use icons instead of actual words for certain items on my toolbar. So, for example, my watchlist became a star symbol, my talkpage became two square caption symbols and my contributions were available from a dropdown menu under my username to the upper right of the display. A few days ago all this disappeared and I got back into the default interface with watchlist, contribs, etc. described in words without symbols or dropdown menu. I checked again my preferences to see if I could find the setting that disappeared but I couldn't locate it. Do you have any suggestions on how to recover these settings? Thank you. Δρ.Κ. <sup style="position:relative">λόγος<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">πράξις 07:52, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Please see Village pump (technical)/Archive 133, Village pump (technical)/Archive 133, Help desk and mw:Talk:Compact Personal Bar. Pretty sure I saw comments elsewhere. -- Red rose64 (talk) 11:47, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much Redrose64. Seeing it in your links above, now I recall it was called "Compact Personal Toolbar". I see it was discontinued, as I suspected. I'll try the replacement alternatives. Take care. Δρ.Κ. <sup style="position:relative">λόγος<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">πράξις 17:29, 26 January 2015 (UTC)


 * You said "User preferences can be offered as well if some people would prefer that the view history was always nested in the menu.", but I cannot find where. I want it nested in the "Page" dropdown, because as a standalone tab it sometimes makes my tabs show on two rows which is ugly and very dysfunctional. Can you help? ☺ ·  Salvidrim!   ·  &#9993;  17:56, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
 * No rush, but I'm still hoping for help here. :) ☺ ·  Salvidrim!   ·  &#9993;  03:10, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
 * So sorry, I actually missed that comment.  was working on an overhaul for User:MusikAnimal/MoreMenu.js yesterday I think.  I'm sure he could make that happen (since it is his script it needs to be added to if I understand correctly), and I'd be happy to help him do it. —   03:19, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Yep, I can confirm that this is fixed in the new version, which is currently up for QA if anyone is willing to help! Best &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  04:39, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Mail call
Hey. I just tried to send you an email through the "Email this user" function, and I received an error message instead of the copy of the email that I sent. Please let me know if you received it or not -- the Wikimedia email function, as I'm sure you know, has been fucking up for months. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 00:24, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Negative. No email received and I have a junk Gmail account to reduce the issues, which may be "fixed" before too much longer (I've been following the Phab ticket on the issue and pushing it along). I'll see if I can dig up one of your old emails in a bit and send a hi you can reply to directly. —   00:42, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Got your email -- thank you, sir. I responded to you by email from my primary personal (non-business) account.  Let's talk that way; should help us communicate faster.  If it will help as we work our way through the down-and-dirty design issues, I am completely amenable to talking by phone in the evenings, too.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:10, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Heads up
--<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 04:35, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * ? What am I suppose to see? —  13:56, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * An IP created that page in your talk space. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 13:58, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay,, thank you even though I'm not sure why that would be cause for any concern. :) —  14:18, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Unsigned ping recovery
I'm aware that if one forgets to sign a talk space comment containing a ping, no notification occurs. I want to know what my options are at that point; whether it would work to modify the post or whether it's necessary to add a new one containing another ping. Do you know for 100% absolute certain? If not, would you participate in a test with me to find out? ― Mandruss  &#9742;  10:16, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Modifying the post doesn't normally work, unless you add the link that you forgot and another signature, leaving the first one alone. If you merely add the link, this won't trigger a notification; and even if you do this whilst removing the old signature and re-signing, it still won't trigger, because the notifications system looks at a diff: all that it will see (besides that new link) is a slightly-altered timestamp. -- Red rose64 (talk) 12:43, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * unless you add the link that you forgot - In the scenario I described, I didn't forget any link, so I'm not sure what you mean by that. I forgot the signature. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  12:54, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The essential thing is that the link to the other person's home page and your signature need to go on with the same edit. Putting them on separately - in either order - won't work. -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:22, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Perhaps there is still hope for a response from the person to whom I directed the question. If I wanted to ask the question publicly I would have asked it at WP:Help desk. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  17:02, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * , I don't appreciate WP:INCIVILity on my talk page. Please, do not do it again. I'm actually not entirely sure why you chose to ask me here on my talk page instead of WP:VPT (which would have been a better place to ask than WP:HD for example), but since you're here,  is exactly correct. Make sure the ping is correct (I'd personally change the template used to activate the ping) and add your signature. —   00:07, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

The new-editor retention team on the job!
He's sorry, but not sorry enough to say anything to the user he blocked, of course. Welcome to the club, BTW. EEng (talk) 05:27, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Like the Energizer Bunny, he keeps going, and going, and going... I think it was you who said he simply doesn't understand the standard of behavior expected of admins. EEng (talk) 12:57, 12 February 2015 (UTC) I feel so bad for Tryptofish.
 * , I'm sure you've read my comments in the linked discussion where they asked him to undo his close. I think I've made it clear that I am stalking his talk page (which isn't always a bad thing since I reverted some vandalism for him the other day there) and I am a on a handful of someone popular pages for where people take their problems.  After half a decade, how could he.  I am hoping that his comment in the discussion you linked is him acknowledging that a lot has changed in the last five+ years and I hope he realizes that he should probably slow down.  We'll see.  I'm watching. ;) —   13:11, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, no, I didn't read the deeper discussion. There's really something wrong here. His talk page is littered with people pointing out improprieties in his admin actions -- and he's very quick to archive them. He's clearly aware that his activities are pissing people off, and clearly doesn't care. EEng (talk) 13:21, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Down foo-boo... ;) Give him a little more time for it to sink in.  If that doesn't work, the stage will be set to go to ANI and see if the community wants to do anything about it. Give him a little more ROPE and he'll either hang himself or see that we are giving him rope and realize he needs to slow down and improve his CLUE. —   13:28, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, Little Bunny Foo Foo is a perfect summary of what's happening here. EEng (talk) 14:11, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Protections
Do I take it that the links in my sandbox are all the pages you want downgrading, and that you want them all at TE level? Best, HJ Mitchell (talk · contribs) 02:45, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * , most likely, but I would like to confirm the list with first. Jake, see User:HJ Mitchell/Sandbox3 for the list of fully protected TWA pages I could find.  Still need to figure out what to do with the script pages in MediaWiki: but I've no time at the moment as I'm overloaded trying to get everything caught up at once from being away from my computer for a week. —   02:54, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, no worries. I'm off to bed since it's nigh 3am here and I should have been in bed hours ago. Just drop me a note when you want me and I'll run Twinkle over them. I don't mind doing more than one batch, I just want to make sure you're happy I'm not downgrading anything I shouldn't be (or accidentally upgrading anything). HJ Mitchell (talk · contribs) 02:58, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey, thanks for putting that list together Technical 13! Yes, HJ Mitchell, that is it!  There's really not a single TWA page that needs FE rather than TE, I don't think. Also, I'm pretty sure it's impossible to make mediawiki pages editable by template editors, at least as the userright is currently configured.  Cheers, Jake Ocaasit &#124; c 22:37, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Pages in MediaWiki: space, unlike those in other namespaces, have no "protect" tab. Technically, they're unprotected (if you use a construct like, this returns the empty string - compare   which returns ); editing of MediaWiki: pages by non-admins is prevented by a different mechanism. -- Red rose64 (talk) 22:47, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm fully aware of how it works for MediaWiki pages. What I don't know is if MW:Extension:GuidedTours will work from Project: (WP:) pages.  If they won't, then TE will have to be changed to grant at least   and I'm not yet sure what else., looks like that list is a go. —   22:51, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Done; 91 protections in 17 seconds! Oh, and I'll delete that sandbox at some point, unless you still have a use for it (in which case I don't mind it hanging around)? T13, for crying out loud please leave my signature alone. HJ Mitchell (talk · contribs) 01:52, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks and feel free to delete that sandbox at your convenience.  As for your signature, there is a big red box in my edit notice that explains why I am changing it.  I'd be happy to take another stab at making your signature compliant with HTML5 in a way that pleases you if you are interested. Happy editing! —   02:04, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
 * There are so many flashing icons and red boxes in that editnotice that my eyes glaze over. And I very much doubt you'll find consensus that markup that works is sufficiently disruptive to justify interfering with another editor's signature. Don't be surprised if a less patient admin swings the banhammer if you do it outside of your own talk page. And even then you're pushing it... HJM 02:09, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
 * You mean markup that doesn't work. As I've [[Media:Bad elements.png|shown]] and explained in other discussions, there are some mobile browsers that drop the contents of things inside of non-compliant markup.  Anyways, I have no intention of doing outside of my talk space as I said in a comment above (possibly now archived) I'm not the signature police, have explained that it is a violation of what is now a policy, I do offer my technical abilities whenever I see a signature that offends me and if that user decides they are not interested (as a few have) I let it be either until WP:FLOW gets here and there are no custom sigs anymore at all and it becomes a mute point or until something else happens that pushes HTML5 compliance into more of a spotlight (there has been progress on that front believe it or not). Anyways, happy editing! —   02:29, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

WP:Co-op news for December 2014 – Feburary 2015
Hey, it's been a while. The Co-op team has been hard at work during over the winter, so let's get right into what's been happening: Thanks to all of the new mentors who have joined over the past few months. Big thanks to to posting about our little project here to the gendergap-l mailing list. <b style="font-family:Candara;color:green">I, JethroBT</b> drop me a line 00:47, 13 February 2015 (UTC) on behalf of Wikipedia:Co-op.
 * Graphic design work is nearing completion and development work is coming along slowly but surely. The main components of the space, profiles, the landing page, and the mentor landing page have all been built, and we're basically just putting the pieces together.  We have close-to-final draft of the landing page, which is currently at User:Slalani/Landing_page, and in the thumbnail to the right.  You can check out other components over at User:Slalani if you're curious., , and I are working together on some of the front page elements.  We've also been doing some testing on test.wikipedia.org for profile building and matching.  If you're curious about checking that out, let me know.
 * We've finished up a survey for newer editors to assess their experiences of using existing help spaces (e.g. Reference Desk, Teahouse, IRC, The Wikipedia Adventure) on en.wikipedia.  is putting together a summary of that survey, and in the meantime, some findings from that survey of 45 newer editors include:
 * On average, editors found contributing to Wikipedia to be easier after using the help space compared to before.
 * However, after using one or more help spaces, only half of editors reported that editing, addressing social challenges, and resolving technical issues were easy or very easy. The other half of editors were either neutral, or reported that these matters were difficult or very difficult.
 * Just under 30% (11 of 38 editors) of newer editors said they probably would have stopped editing entirely had they not received support from the help space they used.
 * Editors frequently reported either 1) that they would not have been learn what they needed without the help space, or 2) That they could have found it, but admitted that it would have been difficult or taken much longer.
 * We will be making one final move of the pilot start date to March 4th, 2015. This is the last move (I promise), because we can't afford to run the pilot any later than that.  So there it is:  March 4th or bust!  But we won't bust, because there are just a few things left on our plate before we can run our pilot successfully.  I'll be alerting you about when you will be able to make mentor profiles soon, so when you get a message about that, please take a minute or two to create your profile here (otherwise, you won't get matched to any editors!).

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Xtools down
Hi Technical 13, I see you are one of the admins on the tools lab associated with the xtools, which do not seem to be functioning tonight. If you have a chance to see what's up, I think a lot of people will appreciate it. Thanks for your assistance. Risker (talk) 01:33, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know . I've restarted the -ec and -articleinfo webservices manually and have noticed the main tool has been restarting itself a lot lately.  let me know if there is further troubles. Happy editing! —   02:54, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for your work on this. Seems we all find them really useful; I logged into IRC to see if you might be there, and as I opened the channel, someone else was making the same inquiry. :-)  Risker (talk) 03:49, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

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Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure
Hey, can you do that archiving thing you've done before? I'd like to see the fruits of my labor. :) Drmies (talk) 03:49, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ the same day, yet I'm just marking it off here now. Wiki-breaks are funny that way. :) —   18:55, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

WP:Co-op: Presentation at Wikimania 2015
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 * 2) Profile creation, invitations, and automated matching of editors, profile creation, that will be coordinated through and a few gadgets may not be ready for our pilot, and will have to be done manually until they are ready.  In preparation for the pilot, please read over these instructions on how we will be manually performing these tasks until the automated components are ready. <b style="font-family:Candara;color:green">I, JethroBT</b> drop me a line on behalf of Wikipedia:Co-op.

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 * I've created my profile page and hope to be off wikibreak soon. :) —  19:03, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks T13! Glad you are able to join us. <b style="font-family:Candara;color:green">I, JethroBT</b> drop me a line 19:08, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Glad to help. :) —  19:12, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Infobox
Hey. Sorry you got caught up in the block-drama. I've been following it for the last 12 hours, and trying to find a way to comment without being counter-productive. I know how aggravating it can become when you're engaged with a tendentious user who is adept at skirting the rules. Please accept my sympathies, and remember: "Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it."

That having been said, I desperately need your help with my infobox template project. Can you make time? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 14:30, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * , okay. I'd be happy to make a sandbox for your infobox. As for the above drama, how would you feel with collaborating on a final plea with the community for action before I go to the arbitration committee as this user has been doing this for over a year now. They've been claiming I have a vendetta against them when I haven't, but their attacks of me have made me feel inclined to allow them their self fulfilling prophecy since it is clear they won't stop.  I'm running out of ideas for dealing with the situation.  Everyone else seems to be so afraid of standing up for what is right when it comes to him or standing their ground. I'm not that way, I've been bullied much worse than he could possibly bully on here.  I'm a father, and as such I object to bullying. I admit, I'm not flawless, but that doesn't excuse his actions either.  Anyways.  Let me see if I can sandbox your request. —   14:56, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * In the last eight months, I've encountered two or three long-term problematic users who each have a block log longer than your arm and have each been in front of Arbcom multiple times. Beware: protect yourself when dealing with such individuals.  Long-term problematic users are often the equivalent of jailhouse lawyers; they have more practical experience in dealing with the guidelines and conduct policies than many, if not most, of the administrators who are charged with interpreting and enforcing them.  Often, they have learned how to skirt the rules by not definitively violating them, even as they flaunt the spirit if not the letter of the guidelines and policies.  When you over-react, you play right into their hands, and provide the exact reaction they are seeking and create the opportunity to get you blocked (or worse).  Don't fall into that trap.  Get an administrator involved or take it to the drama boards.
 * That being said, I do need your help in doing what you do best! Cheers.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:08, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Template:Infobox college football player/sandbox/Dirtlawyer1 seems like as good of a place as any. Can put testcases on Template:Infobox college football player/testcases/Dirtlawyer1. —   15:18, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay,, there are a couple testcases and a base template with the current template adapted to the revised parameter names. Getting some breakfast but will add other parameters after that.  Any specific layout for them? —   15:52, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, T13. The updated graphics and design ideas are listed here: User:Dirtlawyer1/sandbox3.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:58, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * , I have a question for you. How would you feel about bringing  in to help on this project?  They've recently had some issues, but I've observed them and would like to give them a chance to improve the skills they lack.  I see the potential to be a valuable template editor, and would like to give them a chance to demonstrate it.  I'd monitor their changes and since I'd be spending the time to make the changes anyways, it might actually save me more time than I spend reviewing changes.  If you're opposed, that's fine, and I thought it would be best to see what you thought about the idea instead of just doing it.  :) —   02:25, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
 * T13, I anticipate there will be a measure of controversy associated with this revamped template before we are done. I need an experienced coder who is not only able to create the simplest, most elegant, most current consensus code, but I also need a knowledgeable and articulate coder who can explain why things were coded the way they were.  Before we are done, I fully expect that Freitjes will engage with the revised template effort, and there will be one or more editors who will question why we can't do something more to their liking.  There is going to be a political element to this before we're done-- probably not the best learning experience for the new guy.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 04:21, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Fair enough and agreed. I'll finish the first draft tomorrow. :) —   04:43, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Any progress to report, Boss? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:06, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Big blizzard here on the east coast, power keeps going out and I'm all but reduced to my cell phone at this point. Hopefully the power stabilizes in a day or two. —   02:58, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Understood. My mistake: I thought you were in the Pacific Northwest, not the Northeast.  I hope you're enjoying your belated White Christmas -- or, at a minimum, you're not in charge of shoveling the snow.  Cheers.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 22:37, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
 * , all parameters are in there, and I expect you'll want things shuffled and formatted. Poke at it and let me know if you need help. :) —   22:59, 28 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Hey, T13. Can you make a run at the graphics and colors, as described here: User:Dirtlawyer1/sandbox3?  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:09, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
 * , while I understand parts of it such as the desire to keep the width relatively narrow, I'm not seeing any specific specifications for it will be exactly this or that every time. I think the best way for me to accommodate the design changes is to have you work up a series of test cases and we can work through each one and make them render how the project envisions they should look.  You are welcome to watch how I make adjustments and tweeks and make some of your own if I seem to be failing to visualize what you are trying to describe to me, which is entirely possible and likely will happen as I'm not much into sports (well, except for hockey maybe) and as such I don't have the visual vocabulary of things that may seem obvious to those who really enjoy sports.  Anyways, the next step is for you to put together some test cases and tell me "this line should be... and that line should be more like... " and visual references are very good in cases where we are trying to similarly produce and effect available in another box. :) —   00:50, 5 February 2015 (UTC)



Thank You!
To properly get to know about Saint Vidicon, you need too Google him. <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  21:52, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Template:Mailing list member
Firstly, sorry for taking 6 weeks to get my thoughts together on this. Rather than get all wordy trying to explain my suggestions for your template I've put together a 1 page, 3 template example. User:Bazj/P1 sits on 3 templates of which User:Bazj/T2 is analogous to Mailing list member.
 * T1 provides a consistent section header which would be useful in the inactive project editnotice I'm working on, allowing the list of participants to be consistently linkable... "the project is inactive but the participants may be able to help you". It also provides the head of a sortable table which provides all the sortability which was my starting point 6 weeks ago.
 * T2 is a suggested output from Mailing list member, obviously to be expanded upon. I'm assuming that you're getting all your goodness from the back-end of Mailing list member and the on-screen presentation doesn't affect your needs.
 * T3 simply closes the table.
 * P1 also contains the prompt to allow a user to sign up painlessly in a single copy-paste-save.

Would something like that fit in with your plans? Are you aware of any other aspect of managing project participation we ought to consider? Looking forward to your thoughts on the matter. Regards, Bazj (talk) 13:31, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Forgot to say, the pages were just created for this discussion, so please feel free to play around with them. Bazj (talk) 13:43, 3 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello, as the top of my talk page (and all my other pages through template transclusion) says, I'm on a wiki-break of sorts. So, I apologize for any delays in replying to you here.  I have looked at your templates, and they do not appear to complete the task that the existing WP:MMS template was designed for (and subsequently turned into a Lua module for).  Can you try to briefly explain the goal in your proposed changes?  I don't have a lot of time for a WP:TL;DR reply, but if you break up your comments into 3-5 sentence paragraphs with a line break between them, I'll do my best to read as much as I can.  Thanks. :) —   18:54, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

'Archive bottom' question
Hi Technical 13! I've got a question for you – is the Archive bottom template supposed to leave an "extra carriage return" at the bottom of archived threads? (I haven't really looked to see if Discussion bottom does this too or not...) In looking at archived threats at WP:ANI (especially two archived threads in a row), it looks like there's an extra "carriage return space" being left after archived threads like this. Is Archive bottom supposed to do this? Or is there a minor flaw in Archive bottom's template code? I just thought I'd mention this, in case it isn't supposed to do that... Thanks! --IJBall (talk) 18:17, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * , can you give me a couple of example diffs? I'd be happy to look in to it for you.  I know that archiving threads with 's (Original by ) OneClickArchiver (Original) script is set up to prepend Clear to the top and add a line feed in the bottom to enforce each section displaying as its own section.  I'm not sure which templates are currently set up to do what or if that is the intended goal of those templates.  Often, if there is consensus to define what the behaviour should be, it is just a matter of moving noinclude or onlyinclude tags to properly delimit what should be transcluded. —   18:50, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, here's a diff – you'll have to scroll all the way down the bottom of the page here, but notice the extra space between the closed "User Editor605 is NOTHERE, long term abuse" thread, and the "Top Hat Trading Limited recreated again" thread closed by this diff. For the record, I suspect that it may just be an issue of moving some 'noinclude' tags within the Archive bottom code, or something like that. Thanks for looking into this! --IJBall (talk) 19:20, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Edit Count, again
I just looked at an editor's Edit Count, they've been here 7 years and the edit count page says they have 414 edits when they clearly have made thousands as I have a script that posts how many edits they've made at the top of their user pages. This is what happened earlier this week, Edit Count was giving incorrect readings and then later led to an error page. Maybe more work is necessary to fix this? Thanks for any help you can provide. Liz (talk · contribs) 18:55, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * , which user is this? I'm guessing its another Labs glitch, but I'll happily look into it for you. —  19:01, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Pages created
The URI you have requested, /xtools/pages/?user=Hawkeye7&lang=en&wiki=wikipedia&namespace=all&redirects=none, is not currently serviced. Can we get it going? Hawkeye7 (talk) 06:11, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
 * IIRC there was a discussion at WP:VPT last year about that tool, and it was pointed out that the "Only show edits that are page creations" option at Special:Contributions (which was added in 2013 or 2014) serves [//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hawkeye7?newOnly=1 a similar purpose]. -- Red rose64 (talk) 10:16, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Did the fact that it doesn't come up at all? Hawkeye7 (talk) 10:38, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I found the following concerning the "Only show edits that are page creations" option: Village pump (technical)/Archive 124; Village pump (technical)/Archive 124; Village pump (technical)/Archive 124. -- Red rose64 (talk) 11:13, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Also the following, which directly mention the tool in question: Village pump (technical)/Archive 120; Village pump (technical)/Archive 122; Village pump (technical)/Archive 123; Village pump (technical)/Archive 123; Village pump (technical)/Archive 127. -- Red rose64 (talk) 11:23, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Well that answers that question: the fact that it doesn't was not overlooked. Anyhow, it seems to be available at here, so the problem is just with the relative URL. Hawkeye7 (talk) 04:12, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

I need a favour
Hello! Please take care of your family first, this is not urgent, no hurry at all. I just wanted to write it while in on it. I volunteered to set up an archiving-thing for another editor, thinking that an ordinary one would do. Turned out they wanted a month/year thing. I found one at the WP page, but I'm not sure at all that I did it all correctly. There was also a very long backlog so I made most of it manually. When/if you have the time, would you be so kind as to check out the code for the archive to see that it's ok. Here is a diff for the page. Much obliged, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  18:28, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
 * , there is no actual archive bot calls there. Please see User:MiszaBot/config or User:ClueBot III/ArchiveThis for automatic archival.  Note that the bots won't archive sections that don't end with a proper timestamp and those will need to be done manually or with help from 's (Original by ) OneClickArchiver (Original) script. —   19:12, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot, I'll look into that. I tried one archiving with the OneClickArchiver but it did not work. I have the MiszaBot-thing on my talk page, guess I can copy that and just change the bot to MiszaBot in the code. (right?) I thought the ClueBot III was somehow incorporated in the template of the A-Box. <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  19:34, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I read all I could at User:ClueBot III/ArchiveThis and I found a code to put on the page for the bot. I tried to test archive a section using 1CA, but I only get a message that "No counter was found.... archiving could not be completed". I am at a loss now. Best, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  22:20, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Since you decided to go with ClueBot, 1CA will need an Archive Basics as well. You'll need to be clever in the way you set it up since 1CA hasn't been specifically adapted to do very well with monthly archives.  Let me see if I can apply it for you in a way that should mostly work (if kept up with it should archive to the month/year of when the |Archive link is clicked). —   22:27, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I didn't want to change bot in the middle of all. Thank you so much for the extra info on the page. It almost worked. It got archived to User talk:Aciram/Archives/2015, so I just moved that to User talk:Aciram/Archives/2015/February. Let's just leave it like that and let the bot do the rest. I very much doubt that anyone will ever use the 1CA again on that page. Thanks again for all your trouble! :) If there is ever anything I can do for you, just holler. Best, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  22:53, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
 * , one very minor tweek to the Beta version of 1CA and it works. Let me leave it in the beta for a little bit and make sure it doesn't break anything else then I'll move it live. —   23:09, 16 February 2015 (UTC)


 * , it's been three weeks, and I've had no issues with OneClick since I made these changes for you. I just confirmed it works well. I'll move those changes to live and hope I haven't missed anything this week. :)  I believe will also be excited about this change. Happy archiving! —   01:45, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi! Sorry about the late reply, things outside the WP has required my undivided attention. Thank you for fixing it, I will check it out it as soon as I need it. Best, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  09:55, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I did move beta to live this morning, and I did so in a rush because I had been busy and forgotten about it. I did it in such a rush because I had a ride coming to take me to church I didn't even take a moment to remove the "beta" bit from the edit summaries. lol I'll fix that now (and am thankful that I've gotten no complaints about it).  Let me know if it works for you. :) —   18:39, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Urgent, about OneClickArchiver
I use OneClickArchiver. When used, the editsummary links to User:Equazcion/OneClickArchiver eg here:. Somehow, I am referred to you as a script maintainer (correct me if I'm wrong; it is confusing).

I have an OneClickArchive-click that does not look OK (a bug). It is a pair, of course.
 * Intended removal from page: (section "Add malacard ..."). Looks like it happened: see history:: minus 1004 bytes. OK.
 * Expected arrival on target page Template talk:Infobox disease/Archive 2 (see history: ). Does not show. The archive page does not have section "Add malacard ...). Not OK.

It looks like the section to be transported has disappeared half-way. If true, this is an urgent bug I'd say. But maybe I am missing something. -DePiep (talk) 20:20, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Speedy note: there is a Redirect in between (distrust the Archive link). -DePiep (talk) 20:23, 8 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Hey there ! You are using User:Equazcion/OneClickArchiver.js, which is the original and is no longer supported by .  You are free to "upgrade" to my version by changing:
 * to:


 * in your common.js page. —  01:31, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, thank you. That mistake is part of the confusion. Will check & correct manually. (Maybe MfD that page). -DePiep (talk) 08:33, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Emoticon issue...
I was hoping you could advise me regarding a problem with emoticons - in fact, it caused me to get an ARB warning, and I can't for the life of me figure out what happened. I will begin with the following dilemma: In Review History, when I mouse-over the date of the post prior to my own post, the emoticon doesn't appear in the pop-up box. Beginning with my post forward, it appears on every mouse-over of the date.
 * (cur | prev) 19:06, March 11, 2015‎ A1candidate (talk | contribs)‎ . . (25,540 bytes) (+647)‎ . . (Keep) (undo | thank) AFTER
 * (cur | prev) 18:34, March 11, 2015‎ Atsme (talk | contribs)‎ . . (24,893 bytes) (+1,067)‎ . . (→‎G. Edward Griffin: response to KoA criticism of sources) (undo)  AFTER
 * (cur | prev) 17:37, March 11, 2015‎ Kingofaces43 (talk | contribs)‎ . . (23,826 bytes) (-38)‎ . . (→‎G. Edward Griffin: making sure this doesn't mistakenly appear WP:POINTY) (undo | thank)  BEFORE

Next - the issue that caused the ARB warn can be seen at here:  Very troubling. I'm using a MacBook Pro, Safari v8.03. When I reduced the window size so I could see the open windows behind it, it squished the emoticon panel. I didn't think it was an issue, but it was after all. I also grabbed a selection of the line in the edit history showing how the edit summary was also squished. I think somehow it added random smiley's to the lead title of that section, and also to my original post. Very strange. I never knew what hit me. Your advice will be greatly appreciated. Atsme (talk · contribs) 21:31, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'm not sure what advice you need. I'd probably advise against using the toolbar to get smileys in the future, especially if you only ever use  .  What appears to be happening based on the screenshots is that your screen is too narrow so it's wrapping the smiles on the end of the line over to the next line.  I guess there is a page someplace where that could be fixed, but I haven't the slightest clue where to start looking.  Perhaps post the situation on WP:VPT and see if anyone there knows where that toolbar comes from exactly.  If you can find that out, I can certainly help you get it fixed. :) —   22:52, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you, kindly. I will follow your advice, but it's Friday night so there may be a slight delay in getting a round tuit.  SMirC-wink.svg <font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme  &#9775;  Consult  23:17, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
 * PS: Oh my, I just realized it's Friday the 13th!! SMirC-beware.svg  Wish me luck!!  <font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme  &#9775;  Consult  23:19, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

, would you be so kind as to post your findings on 's TP here: ? It appears my ARB warning revocation hinges on your result because Callan doesn't believe the emojis that preceded the subsection title were added inadvertently on my part even after I provided the evidence. Here is the actual edit showing how the emojis were added - to see the squinched edit summary and how they were added in two different places with an edit from another user in between, you have to click on the diff and open it to a full window:. This is where I removed them from the lede which shows them to be independent of the initial edit, no time stamp:  Thank you in advance. Sidebar note: I had a cascade of windows open on my Mac so I could refer to other posts. I simply reduced the size of the top window by dragging the corner up which allowed me to see the windows behind it. After reducing the window size, I didn't pay any mind to the squinched emoji dashboard so when I added the one smiley, the other 3 emojis inadvertently got added to the lede. One click resulted in 4 emojis in different places - one was placed where I intended at the end of my sentence while the other 3 ended up preceding the section title. Really bizarre. Even more bizarre is that I received an ARB warning for emojis on the TP of an article under DS. Why would anyone purposely add 3 emojis before a subsection title anyway? What possible purpose would that serve? It just doesn't make sense. <font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme ☯  Consult  15:26, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Here is a screen grab to demonstrate the cascade of windows wherein the edit window I was working on was reduced so I could see the others behind it: <font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme ☯  Consult  15:46, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

I've commented there. Good luck. —  18:28, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Hotcold and Signpost transclusion
Hello, the above has now cleared itself. It was a chart that was transcluded into a Signpost article, that was transcluded into a Signpost page, that was transcluded into Signpost, that was... you get the picture. Looks like Old Father Time has fixed it over the weekend. Thanks for the offer of help though. - X201 (talk) 09:10, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Category:AfD debates relisted 3 or more times
I see you created Category:AfD debates relisted 3 or more times, presumably some sort of AfD closing script determines if the AfD has been relisted twice before, and adds that category? Just trying to figure out how it works, as I had to remove the category from some discussions that had been closed since January/February. I am sure there is a workable solution, I just want to understand where it is coming from. --kelapstick(bainuu) 15:20, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry about my delay . It's placed by WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/CloseAFD.js.  —   21:37, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
 * No worries, I am wondering if we should set up a bot to remove the category from closed AfDs, or just do it manually (the last time I did it there were only about a half a dozen in the category, all of them closed, some for two months). --kelapstick(bainuu) 13:30, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * User talk:Legobot/2014 was what I was thinking, I don't currently have time to put together a pull request though. —  13:37, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure, it's not that tedious a task that it can't be done manually for a while. Like I said, about six pages over three months, I will just make sure I keep an eye on it for the time being. --kelapstick(bainuu) 13:52, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

OneClickArchviser stalls
Hi. I clicked the Archiver on my talkpage, but it stalled (it freezed) with this message: Retrieving headers... Archive name counter = 7}} found, retrieving section content... (-1b) Content retrieved, performing edits... I note that there is an unexpected "}}" in there. (User:DePiep/common.js). Any ideas? -DePiep (talk) 11:10, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
 * , try it now. I'll look at my code later and figure out what I need to change for the script to be a little less syntactically picky. —   12:03, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
 * All fine, thanks. Of course "freezed" is wrong, but "frozen" is a bit toooo common these days/years. Have a nice edit. -DePiep (talk) 16:55, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Please comment on Template talk:Afc decline
The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Template talk:Afc decline. Legobot (talk) 00:13, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Beryllium
I think the edit request was right, I will try to search for a reference. --Stone (talk) 04:32, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Javascript potential
I know nothing about user scripts or such things, but I was wondering if you could assist me. I am asking you because your name betrays an involvement in such things. There is a gadget on the Commons called "Cat-a-lot". It makes moving categories much easier. It would not've been useful here prior to the enabling of category moves for auto-confirmed users, so I imagine that is why it was never brought over here. However, as we all know, manual category moves, now available to auto-confirmed users, require a lot of clean-up. This gadget would make such clean-up much easier. I asked for assistance with this matter at the gadget's talk page. The sole respondent said to "find a user familiar with javascript who would be willing to adopt it". I wonder, would you be willing to do such a thing? I have no idea what this entails. I have zero technical computer knowledge. I am merely asking, as I think it would be a beneficial tool to have at our disposal. RGloucester — ☎ 20:57, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm heading out in a couple hours for a 'guys night' with a couple guys from my church and have a church breakfast tomorrow, but once I have a few free moments, I'll happily take a look. I'm sure it won't take much if anything to bring it over.  Would you want it to be a gadget or just available as a userscript (you mention it is a gadget on commons)?  If you want it as a gadget, we'll have to get assistance from an admin and, , and  come to the top of my head as possible helpers on this.  Let me know. :) —   21:14, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I imagine a userscript is better. RGloucester  — ☎ 21:35, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
 * , have you tried adding  to your common.js?  I don't see anything that jumps out at me why that shouldn't work. —   12:16, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I tried, but it is unusable. The interface is totally screwed up and one cannot click any of the buttons. I suppose it needs to be imported as a gadget, then? RGloucester  — ☎ 15:55, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I can bring it over if needed, I just have never used it, so it will be a little harder to maintain not knowing exactly what it is suppose to do. :/ —  17:21, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, one could read this page. Essentially, it makes moving pages between different categories much easier. It provides a convenient interface for such moves. I do think it would be of great benefit to Wikipedia. As a Commons gadget, the original works with file pages. However, here, it should be able to work for article pages. RGloucester  — ☎ 18:00, 15 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Any progress on this matter? If you haven't time or interest, perhaps you could direct me in the direction of someone who might be able to help? RGloucester  — ☎ 21:02, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I really don't have a lot of time. Those three people I mentioned above would probably be a good start if you're looking for someone with time who might be interested. Alternatively, perhaps one of the other editors in User js (I'd suggest someone in 3-5, 2 at the lowest)? —  21:11, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Much obliged. RGloucester  — ☎ 21:39, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Template:Infobox film
Hi.... The language parameter should automatically link the language (without any additional text), to the language article. Seems it's not working, take a look at my edit. What could be the problem ? Can you fix this? regards, DRAGON BOOSTER   ★  04:31, 22 March 2015 (UTC).
 * Why (and how) would a template autolink in that way? How would the template know if  should be looking for Telugu/Telugu language/Telugu (language), or some other variation? —   21:42, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Believe me... It used to link automatically, (eg: Tamil → Tamil language, Telugu → Telugu language.... xxxxx → xxxxx language..... ), for some strange reason it stopped suddenly, otherwise I wouldn`t be having this conversation. Nevertheless, in both the tables its says " : In the case of a single language without any additional text, it will automatically link to the language article. regards,  DRAGON BOOSTER   ★  06:39, 23 March 2015 (UTC).
 * It did formerly do that, yes; the feature was removed five months ago by with . See Template talk:Infobox film/Archive 27. -- Red rose64 (talk) 09:42, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

adjust settings in OBA
Hey Tech,

I was playing around trying to get that One Button Archive to work for my talk page. I sorta got it there - but I want to change some settings. any help would be appreciated, but if you are busy with other things I understand - I can just remove the stuff from my monobook.js (or wherever the hell I put it). Thanks. — Ched (talk · contribs) 17:34, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) It shows up on ALL the talk pages I visit - if I wanted to, can I make it JUST show on my own talk?  If so, how?
 * 2) I sort of have it working - but it archives to my very first archive (here).  How do I set the parameter to my current archive? (Currently here, but will soon be here.)


 * Very good! I thank you. :) — Ched (talk · contribs) 17:34, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey there !
 * You can't have it "just" show up on your own talk page (although I might consider making that a future option). What I suggest doing in the mean time is, depending on your browser,  to disable the script by default on all pages, then when you want to use it,  to turn it back on, click the link to archive the section(s) you want to archive and then  to turn it back off again.
 * I've added the template to your talk page so that it will archive to Archive 31. Feel free to adjust the counter or maxarchive size (it will respect maxarchivesize now) to your liking within reason.  :)
 * Happy archiving! —  18:06, 23 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't edit on my phone, or even my tablet really - so I'll just be careful. (and will try those keys out). I did try to set it up myself (here), but didn't have the energy to troubleshoot it at the time.  Just getting harder and harder for me to follow through on coding stuff.  I did notice when I removed the code from my talk, once the cache was purged the "Archive" button was still there.  Figured I might trouble you at some point for the help.   Thank you again Tech - I really do appreciate your time. — Ched (talk · contribs) 18:20, 23 March 2015 (UTC)