User talk:Tiamut/Archive 14

Mosque in Nablus
Hi Tiamut, maybe you know the mosques in Nablus? I uploaded two images and  but now I'm afraid that I mixed up the images and in fact it's Hanbali mosque.. Maybe you know for sure? Andreas Tanner (talk) 07:32, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Zionist Political Violence - palestinefacts.org
Hi Tiamut,

I created a new section on the talk page for the aforementioned article in the hopes that you'll engage in discussion. I just don't understand what facets of WP:RS the site fails to satisfy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zionist_political_violence#palestinefacts.org

Thanks, --65.127.188.10 (talk) 01:01, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Yep
My first impression about a person is usually proves to be the right one.--Mbz1 (talk) 01:06, 8 March 2010 (UTC)


 * As do mine.  T i a m u t talk 01:14, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Sheikh Jarrah
Hi, There was a tomb of Sheikh Jarrah just to the north of Jerusalem by 1860 at the latest. I have a map. But I can't find anything about this tomb or who Sheikh Jarrah was. There was some general of Omar, conqueror of Jerusalem, with that name, but no source connecting him to the tomb. Can you find anything? Zerotalk 14:26, 10 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Zero0000. It seems the Sheikh Jarrah quarter on Mount Scopus was named for the nearby tomb of Muslim saint, commonly known as Sheikh Jarrah. The tomb itself is located inside the Mosque of Sheikh Jarrah. Named for a 12th century Muslim saint, it is located on Nablus Road near the American Colony hotel, about a 5-minute walk from the Sheikh Jarrah quarter.  According to Mariam Shahin, on pages 328-329 of her book Palestine: A Guide (of which I have a copy at home), the mosque was built in 1895, around  the tomb (which is itself dated to 1201). Both are named for the physician of Saladin, known as Hussam al-Din al-Jarrahi (Jarrahi in Arabic means "the surgeon"). The nearby Sheikh Jarrah quarter was named for him, though Shahin notes it is not certin that the tomb contains his actual remains.
 * I will look for more informtion on Hussam al-Din l-Jarrahi too. But I though I'd let you know wht an initial look around has turned up. Cheers.  T i a m u t talk 14:57, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Great. That article needs some history (but see RS/N).  Zerotalk 15:06, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

GA
Any luck with the GA afterwards? I made a map Template:Location map Egypt Sinai. I though it might come in handy as a locator for some ancient site that you or Nableezy or somebody might be working on... ‡ Himalayan ‡ ΨMonastery 15:40, 10 March 2010 (UTC) No worries, looks good on the Dahab article anyway.. ‡ Himalayan ‡ ΨMonastery 20:35, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Userbox
Marhaba Tiamut, I've been "stalking" your wonderful contributions to Wikipedia on Palestine and the Palestinian people, not to mention your relentless articulations on the talk pages, since I first stepped foot here. It's been truly wonderful, and educational. Anyways, I wanted to ask your permission to use your hard coded user box supporting the unmentionable military resistance movements. Would that be okay? Yazan (talk) 18:48, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Tiamut. I will take you up on that offer, we do badly need an extra set of keyboards at WP:SYR ;). Salamat and Happy editing. Yazan (talk) 19:00, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm happy to know that. Whatever you can dig up will be helpful really. Nevertheless, and this is a bit eccentric, but I've been obsessing about this particular finger-length clay tablet from Ugarit. Arguably the oldest such articulation of an alphabet (and Damascus Museum's most celebrated display) but I can find very little scholarly sources about it. Alas. Yazan (talk) 19:34, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Hey again
I understand that you are busy, but I have now asked several people for help but no one wants to. Are you sure you cant spare a bit of your time to take a look and see if changes are needed? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 01:18, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

For you
Congratulations about the DYK, too. -- AFriedman  (talk) 06:39, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks again
Thanks again for all the help at Articles for deletion/Israeli art student scam, it was invaluable. Given the massive and strident opposition the fact it survived AFD in any form whatsoever is a gift. The current manifestation has some neutrality problems, but I'm going to wait until the controversy dies down before editing it again. Factsontheground (talk) 01:12, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Rachel's Tomb and Bilal ibn Ribah
Hi, Do you know what this business with Rachel's Tomb being called Bilal ibn Ribah mosque? I know there has been a mosque there since at least the middle of the 19th century, but until recently I didn't hear of it having a name not associated with Rachel. There's a claim it is a fresh new name, but this information is from a Jewish activist source. Also, is the name applied to the whole structure or just the part that is a mosque (see Pringle's diagram])? Here is a Bethlehem site quite happy to call it both "Qubbet Rahil" and "Bilal ibn Ribah mosque", suggesting that calling it a mosque is not intended to deny the Rachel connection. Cheers. Zerotalk 12:27, 13 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Rachel's Tomb was worshipped by Jews, Christians, and Muslims, according to a 12th century travel account which cites its Arabic name as Carbata or Carbrata' (?).
 * By the 19th century, its appearance is described by Edward Robinson as like Mulsim wali. This building is described as not ancient, though sheltering n older pile of stones within.
 * Mariam Shahin, on page 358 of Palestine: A Guide, notes the following, which may help in more directly answering your question: "Past the military checkpoint [at Bethlehem] on the righthand side the Israeli-built separation wall is in full ivew, as is the fortress-like Tomb of Rachel. An important symbol to grieving mothers, Muslims venerate the biblical matriarch, whose male children were killed at Herod's orders. Women have come to her tomb to pray for health and fertility since time immemorial. Initially built by the Byzantines, the existing tomb was built by the Ottomans. In 1841, a British Jewish philanthropist had the dome's roof restored and reportedly made 'special' arrangements for Jews at the site. Although the Tomb and Mosque of Bilal Ibn Rabah and a tribal cemetery of the Ta'amre Bedouin tribe share the property with the matriarchal tomb, they are off-limits to Muslims by order of the Isreli military. (Until 1977 the site had been under the protection of the Islamic Waqf and accessible to all." The bold formatting is in Shahin's text. Its seems clear that thhe two names refer to two different entities located at the same site. Given that Rachel is a respected matriarch in Islamic tradition as well, her tomb was also venerated by Muslims. I guess with all the conflict over it, that veneration had subsided in recent years and the uncontestably Muslim connection of the mosque/tomb is being played up more. But the fact remains, the two names refer to different things located at the same site.  T i a m u t talk 13:07, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I found mentions of "Bilal bin Rabah mosque" in Palestinian sources from early in 1997.  Some of them clearly refer to two structures.  I'd still like to know for how long the name of Bilal bin Rabah has been associated with it.  So far I found nothing before 1997 but I can't search in Arabic.  Zerotalk 13:40, 13 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll see what I can find in Arabic. However, I suspect that the place was known in Arbic as qubbat rahil for centuries before the name bilal ibn rbbah was attached. In Moshe Sharon's Corpus, he notes it is mentioned in the writings of Mujir al-Din as qubbat rahil ("Rachel's dome") . Lots of other info on the Muslim veneration of it as Rachel's dome in that book as well.  T i a m u t talk 14:33, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Tiamut, you have either made a typo in copying Shahin text or Shahin herself has made an glaring error: "An important symbol to grieving mothers, Muslims venerate the biblical matriarch, whose male children were killed at Herod's orders." Rachel died many years before Herod. Chesdovi (talk) 12:03, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Chesdovi. The text reads exactly as I typed it. It is based (I think) on the tradition outlined in the Book of Matthew (2:16-18) where it says: "He [Herod gave orders to kill all the boys of Bethelehem ...In his way what the prophet Jeremiah had said came true: A sound is heard in Ramah, the sound of bitter weeping, Rachel is crying for her children; she refuses to be comforted, for they are dead."  T i a m u t talk 12:51, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

al-Bassa
Time to stop feeding the troll? Zerotalk 14:22, 13 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes. I suspect its AH. Is a sock report necessary?  T i a m u t talk 14:34, 13 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Last edits make it 100% clear. It's gone now :).  If it comes back, I'll see if we can get someone to semi-protect the talk page.  That would be an unusual step, I think. Zerotalk 06:31, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Damascus Citadel?
Marhaba Tiamut. Citadel of Damascus has grown quite a bit since last week, and we're planning to take it to GA, would you be interested in joining the push? Yazan (talk) 18:47, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Agil Aga
Tiamut dear, that was very generous of you, giving me DYK-credit for Mujir al-Din al-'Ulaymi...you did all the work...

Anyway; more work: I have for some time though we need a article on Agil Aga, the Beduin leader in the mid 19th century--he is buried at I'billin. And now I just found a picture of him, over at commons! -You know I´m crazy about pictures ;) Anyway, Schölch write quite a bit about him in "Palestine in Transformation". And I see this article: http://www.jstor.org/pss/1570684 -I cannot see the full article, but perhaps Nableezy can? Cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:02, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * That sounds good, great that you got the article. I´ll just continue to add the sources on User:Huldra/Sources. He had a lot of interactions with the "expats" of the time, especially the different consulars, etc, --and they all wrote about him. In other words: lots of "old" sources. There is no hurry: I´ll leave it to you to start it when you feel like it...cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:48, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I have this article in full, will I email it? In general, feel free to ask me about journal articles you can't get. I can get almost anything.  Zerotalk 22:40, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah; there are a zillion sources on him; so far I haven´t used the search-function at all, I´m just finding the sources mentioned in Schöltz..I´ll continue work in User:Tiamut/Aga, Cheers! Huldra (talk) 17:33, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I´m not sure we can/should use the maps I put into User:Tiamut/Sinnabra --but it does show, at least, where people thought the place was. I´m no good a photo-fixing though, and we really should (if we use them) only have a part of the map? Cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:32, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I have no concern about copyright -after all, I found the maps on commons. The size of the map is an issue, especially with the first one, if you could resize it to highlight the location of Sinnabra, it would be great. My biggest concert is, however, I don´t know how accurate these maps are? Basically they only show were they *thought* the location was. If we use them, we must be careful to note the date they were published..., and possibly by whom they were published. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:41, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, my impression is that few have looked very hard for non-Christian or non-Jewish remains.... Anyway, from what I understand from the discussion under Khirbat-ware here--the place is truly ancient, with habitation going back 4-5 thousand years? Huldra (talk) 21:38, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

User:Tiamut/Sinnabra
Some more sources:
 * http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0003_0_02894.html ....this is a facinating article...for all it manage *not* to mention!!
 * P. Delougaz and R. C. Haines, 1960: A Byzantine Church at Khirbet al-Karak, University of Chicago
 * http://oi.uchicago.edu/pdf/03-04_Ind_Whitcomb.pdf
 * http://oi.uchicago.edu/pdf/ois5.pdf ..if you download this .pdf-file, go to p.241, there is an article by Donald Whitcomb (2009): "From Pastoral Peasantry to tribal Urbanites: Arab Tribes and the foundation of the Islamic State." A *must* read! Includes a plan over the site, (p.253) Cheers, Huldra (talk) 00:51, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Only the first page found, I´m afraid:
 * http://middleeastmedievalists.org/uw141April2002.html

And look at this: ..and their bibliography: Cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:59, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
 * http://www.tau.ac.il/humanities/archaeology/projects/betyerah/qasr.html
 * http://www.tau.ac.il/humanities/archaeology/projects/betyerah/publications.html

And:
 * Israeli archaeologists identified Caliph Mu’awiya’s Lakeside Palace, 15 March 2010 (nice picture of the mosaic)


 * http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hxlDHZsMH3ZXaZbHECPbV41CtOkQD9EGIPR00

and, from books, the connections to other cstles: Cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:59, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * http://books.google.no/books?id=kE_JgKlVltIC&pg=PA159&dq=sinnabra+whitcomb&cd=1#v=onepage&q=sinnabra%20whitcomb&f=false

I believe this site: is blacklisted on wp...but it has some wonderful photos;)....and some complete wrong information:( Cheers, Huldra (talk) 01:07, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * //www.biblewalks.com/Sites/BeitYerach.html

fame
Something interesting in email. Zerotalk 14:21, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

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Bayt Nuba
It seems we don't have an article, is that right?. It has a rich history. Jerome, Crusaders (as Betenuble/Betenoble), etcetc. Now settlement Mevo Horon. p102 in Pringle A-K (Bait Nuba). Hint, hint :). Zerotalk 13:55, 21 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Will start something in user space soon. User:Tiamut/Sinnabra is pretty much done for now, but User:Tiamut/Aga is next up for development. Still, Bayt Nuba sounds mighty interesting. Soon ... I promise. Real life beckons at the moment though.  T i a m u t talk 18:42, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi Tiamut, I'd like to thank you for not voting to delete that article that you did not like so much. I'd like to assure you that I did not want to push any POV with it, and, if I unwillingly did, it was only because of my inexperience in writing and/or editing such articles. Thanks for helping me to make it better. --Mbz1 (talk) 19:43, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

The spider house

 * Tiamut, you ended your comment on FoG talk page with a sentence which is last words are written in Arabic: Don't worry though my friend, because it is all really awha(m) min beit il ankaboot. The translation of it is "Don't worry though my friend, because it is all really stronger than the house of the spider". Please notice that you should always add translation when you write in language different than English. Also, the term "house of the spider" is famous tem that was coined by and regulary use Hezbolla leader when he speak out publicaly against Israel-according to him, Israel is "the house of the spider". So, in this context, I just want to ask you if that's what you refered to? Does anyone who oppose some of FoG edits, to the matter of fact, is included in what you refered to as "the house of the spider"?--Gilisa (talk) 10:54, 23 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Gilisa, it means "weaker than the spider's web", not stronger. Its a metaphor and I'm using it with multiple meanings here intended for Factsontheground, not anyone else and not about anyone editing here, but about the general situation she faced. Its meant to be of some comfort to her. Can you leave it at that?  T i a m u t talk 16:21, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Tiamut you wrote: "Breein1007, your comment above crosses all kinds of lines". May I please ask if you also believe that statements by facts "Wikipedia is openly racist against Palestinians" that is proudly displayed at the user talk page also "crosses all kinds of lines", or you agree with it?--Mbz1 (talk) 16:52, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't care to comment on the content of that edit. I will say that considering your own sensitivity to people repeatedly posting at your talk page taking issue with your comments and advocating for you to be blocked, I would think you would be more sensitive to a user who is blocked from even editing their talk page and can't respond to posts made by you and others tht she doesn't want to her from right now. Both you and Breein1007 should leave her alone.  T i a m u t talk 17:09, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I knew, you would not care to comment! BTW I know your "friend". I saw many like her, who would scream on demonstrations: "Palestine will be free from the river to the sea" while displaying Israeli flags with swastikas, and then accuse everybody around in being "racist".--Mbz1 (talk) 17:17, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * If you knew I wouldn't answer then your question was designed for some other end. Please stop soapboxing on my talk page and talking about a blocked editor that I've already asked you to leave alone. Dont bother replying.  T i a m u t talk 17:25, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * You choosed to put it in Arabic, it is a very well known phrase sounded by Hasan Nasralla who describe Israel that way ("weaker than spider web" there is also the Hezbolla museum named "the Spider house". In the context of your grievances on racism against palestinians on FoG talk page it sound realy bad. Would appreciate if you avoid it next time, if it's not too much to ask.--Gilisa (talk) 17:29, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * It is too much to ask. Your assumption of bad faith regarding its meaning is not my problem. I will write in whatever language I want to. Just because Hassan Nasrallah uses a metaphor doesn't mean that I can't and I will use it whenever I see fit. And now if you're quite done, I'd appreciate you also staying off my talk page for now. Thanks.  T i a m u t talk 17:33, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

new sources, now on the net
Tiamut dear, I am delighted to see that some of Elihu Grant books are now freely available on the net, including his (1907): The Peasantry of Palestine, and his  (1921): The People of Palestine  I have seen them often referred to, including in Khalidi and Weir. The 1921 book is especially rich on information on villages in the West Bank/Ramallah -area (Grant worked at the Ramallah Friends Schools.) Just look at the content, p.9 ....lots of info, cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:07, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Markook#Merge.3F
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Thanks
Thanks for sticking up for me during my latest block. If there is anything I can do for you in the future just let me know. Factsontheground (talk) 12:34, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Ebla tablets
Marhaba Tiamut. I hope I am not imposing, but could you possibly run through this draft for Ebla tablets. You have a long experience with the controversies of Biblical archaeology and this seems like one that would invite a lot of it. Do you think it's better to completely cut that part about their "disputed" biblical significance and focus on their more potent cultural depictions of the era? Input would be welcome. Yazan (talk) 05:55, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for the barnstar, I do really appreciate that. And thank you again for the copyedits and the input on Ebla. Happy Editing.Yazan (talk) 09:56, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

"BLP violation" nonsense
Dude, I really don't know what you're talking about, unless for some reason you're somehow expressing some degree of unwarranted solicitude for (WP:BLP violation redacted,Huldra (talk) 22:10, 30 March 2010 (UTC)) Qaradawi. Since I didn't add it to the "Yusuf Qaradawi" article, didn't propose adding it to the "Yusuf Qaradawi" article, never had the slightest intention of adding to the "Yusuf Qaradawi" article, didn't add it to the talk page of the "Yusuf Qaradawi" article, never had any intention of adding to the talk page of the "Yusuf Qaradawi" article, and wasn't even talking about Qaradawi as such (but merely happened to mention him in passing as one example among a large number ideologues who publicly uphold sleazy propaganda tactics which would be found to be unacceptable by most decent people who have any concern whatsoever with morality and ethics), it's hard for me to see your cries of "BLP violation" as any real legitimate concern... AnonMoos (talk) 15:41, 26 March 2010 (UTC)


 * By the way, I visited the Qaradawi article just now (thanks to you), and you can see what I said in the context of an actual discussion about Qaradawi at Talk:Yusuf al-Qaradawi... AnonMoos (talk) 16:44, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * See this. I think the lesson here (at least for me!) is to take this to WP:AN/I earlier-- not a prospect I really like; I would prefer to "argue it out". And I learned that it is a very thin line indeed between trying to demonstrate the Ethic of reciprocity,...and risk being blocked for violating WP:POINT! Take care, my dear...and don´t forget User:Tiamut/Aga! Cheers, Huldra (talk) 22:03, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

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Hello
Thank you Tiamut. Only as I can edit I've also post this on your page. Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 16:16, 1 April 2010 (UTC)


 * So nice to receive a message from you here. I'm so happy your freedom of movement has been restored. It means much less work for the rest of us. :)  T i a m u t talk 16:19, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Few different things

 * Hi Tiamut, may I please ask you to review my sanctions and Special Enforcement Details here? I'd like to ask you please to keep an eye on me, and report any violation of the sanctions on my side, if you have a time of course.


 * May I please ask you to review those sanctions that were imposed for a single comment here concerning the article that is not even included
 * in Israeli–Palestinian conflict category. I asked you to review the sanctions in order to try to make you feel more fair towards administrators actions. I know it is hard,
 * but maybe you're willing to give it a try.


 * The last thing is about absolutely different matter. Few days ago I watched a documentary at FOX about George Bernard Shaw, marx, hitler and so on. They said Shaw was advocating putting all unproductive people to gas chambers and gas them to death. I could not believe it! I Google it, and I found few sites that confirmed it
 * I am not sure, if I will be able to enjoy My Fair Lady the way I used to ever again.--Mbz1 (talk) 00:55, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * "They said Shaw was advocating putting all unproductive people to gas chambers"
 * Wow! So GBS would have gassed all the wheelers and dealers in Wall Street?Nishidani (talk) 06:02, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Comments by others
, seems relevant to the topic discussion and should not have been removed per TALK. Dreadstar ☥  20:37, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Here. Does the article linked mention Muhammad al-Durrah? No. The connection is in the mind of the editor who placed it there and based on his OR conclusion that this recent incident somehow means the conspiracy theories surrounding Durrah's death are justified. Talk pages are not a forum for general discussion of the topic. Please revert your reinstatement of this edit. Thanks. Tiamuttalk 15:06, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Please re-read TALK, specifically:
 * "Refactoring for relevance: Archiving material not relevant to improving the article (per the above subsection #How to use article talk pages). Formerly it was not uncommon to simply delete off-topic posts, but this has led to disputes from time to time, and it is generally better to move such threads to an archive page. It is still common, and uncontroversial, to simply delete gibberish, rants about the article subject (as opposed to its treatment in the article) and test edits, as well as harmful or prohibited material as described above. Another form of refactoring is to move a thread of entirely personal commentary between two editors to the talk page of the editor who started the off-topic discussion."
 * Please respond here for convenience, I've got your talk page watchlisted. Dreadstar  ☥  15:56, 5 April 2010 (UTC)


 * The comment is likely to provoke a rather unproductive discussion, unrelated to the article's improvement. Per WP:ARBPIA, editors are asked to confine their discussions to material related directly to the articles' improvement, without straying into off-topic discussions on whether or not a particular thesis discussed in reliable sources is true or not. The comment I deleted is best left deleted. I see another editor has removed it now too as well. I'd ask you respect that removal. You reversion on my removal of the comment was more problematic than letting it remain removed. If you want to archive it instead, go ahead. I simply do not want to have to respond to it, when it has nothing to do article improvement.  T i a m u t talk 16:54, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I see it's been removed again, I'll not reinstate it. Hopefully the issue stops there. Dreadstar  ☥  17:04, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Could you do me a favor?
Hi Tiamut. Could you do me a favor and check whether this edit is legitimate or if it's vandalism? Thanks! — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 02:44, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Al-Quds
Funny, you should bring up al-Quds. Everytime, I read something, anything, about al-Quds, I feel a lump in my throat. I feel that the only things left for us (the outsiders) in al-Quds, or Yafa, is a Fairuz song, or my twelve-year old "friend" back home. Her father was an ardent Syrian Nationalist, and he told me that when he saw her eyes, he knew her name must be Yafa. It's both a sad sense of shame, and disbelief in how faraway from home we've become. I hope you're doing well. Sorry for soaping Yazan (talk) 10:54, 7 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Strange, I feel very similar when someone mentions Baghdad and Dimashq. Its always been a dream of mine to visit those two great centres of civilization in the Arab world. Imagine that less than a century ago, I could have hopped on a train in Haifa and ended up in Damascus, and no doubt from there, another train would have taken me to Baghdad. Now, Baghdad is in ruins (before I even had the chance to visit its great museums, now plundered) and both those places might as well be on the moon since I'm not allowed to go there, and neither are its inhabitants allowed to visit me. Its like this region is going through devolution, or as one my elders says, "Since 1948, we are moving backwards." I hope you are doing well too and I hope one day things move forward, and I can invite you to lunch in my hometown and you can return the invitation, or we can meet halfway in Beirut :).  T i a m u t talk 11:15, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Until then Tiamut, here's a little taste of my elders' hometown. They never fail to cheer me up. ;) Yazan (talk) 11:37, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I love that show, and I look forward to visiting your town on the way to Damascus, as well as you visiting me in Nazareth on the way to Jerusalem. 'Til we meet under the olive trees ...  T i a m u t talk 11:44, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You remind me of a funny story. My dad's best friend has 3 old wooden shop fronts that he considers his most precious belongings. His father used to own a shoemaking company back in the 1920s and 1930s, and the fronts were from the company's shops in Antakya, Haifa and al-Quds. He took them back with him to Tripoli when he closed the shops in the early 1940s. Delightful little pieces of memory. Yazan (talk) 14:29, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Tiamut, do you mind if I ask you where you live? and are you christian? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 12:20, 7 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Don't mind at all. I live in Nazareth. My parents and grandparents are Christians from various denominations, eastern and western. My husband's family is Muslim, though he and I are both rather agnostic. Though I don't attend services, I do still enjoy lighting candles and saying prayers for loved ones at the Greek Orthodox Church of the Annuciation from time to time. You?  T i a m u t talk 13:04, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Interesting that you live in Nazareth. I am fascinated by the "Palestinian or Israeli Arab" identity dispute in Israel. But I see you are on the right side. Btw I read this today, and since you live there its maybe better that you remove the Hezbollah userbox from your user page for your own safety. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 22:42, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I think I'll keep the userbox. While I can understand why you might be worried, I'm not. To me, its not about Hezbollah, but rather about the right of people to display userboxes indicating where their political support might lie. Thanks for worrying about me, but there's no need (at least not over this). Whenever the powers that be here decide they want me to pay an extended visit to their institutional facilities, it will happen, and they won't need to point to my userboxes to do it. I know people who've been framed and who they have threatened to frame (with fake phone recordings of them inciting others to violence or planting drugs in their house or guns in their cars). que sera sera ... if I spent my own time worrying about what they can do if they want to, I've never get any sleep. So I don't and you shouldn't either.  T i a m u t talk 16:52, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

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Americans for Middle East Understanding
Thanks for your help, I appreciate it. With those third-party sources you found I think the article should survive future deletion attempts. You actually found some good material for the Anti-Arabism article too!

It is annoying that Number 57 deleted the article under A7 ("No indication of importance (individuals, animals, organizations, web content)"). The importance of the organization was very clearly stated in the original version, in my opinion. The problem was sourcing but that was corrected once the article was given a chance. It's a good thing I had the draft stored so I could recreate it quickly. Factomancer (talk) 12:48, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

User:Nick Fitzpatrick
I have suspicion on who Nick Fitzpatrick be. Them edit be similar to "Israeli" editor who recently block for long period of time and only have access to her talk page. Ani medjool (talk) 22:49, 14 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I dont think so Ani medjool. I'd also apreciate you staying away from my talk page as I don't believe you are who you are pretending to be and I find your editing style and interventions to be highly disruptive. Thanks.  T i a m u t talk 10:42, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You don't believe he's a Palestinian refugee? Why... that's a big accusation. Are they known for lying? Breein1007 (talk) 17:28, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't believe he is an Arab (and I never saw him claim he was a Palestinian refugee). I question his professed identity based on the evidence regarding his faking of his poor English, the mistakes in the Arabic that once appeared on his user page, and his generally unhelpful contributions. It seems likely he is a strawman account impersonating an Arab/Palestinian to make those of us arguing certain positions seem ridiculous.
 * I notice you have a keen interest in challenging this conclusion everytime it has been raised. Why? You know he is a disruptive editor who contributes little in the way of content. Why are you so interested in seeing him stick around with his credibility intact? Because he's a major source of enjoyment to you?  T i a m u t talk 20:08, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * He claimed to be from a Palestinian refugee camp in Syria. I couldn't be bothered to find the diff. As for my interests, I'll leave you to make your assumptions as usual, since you seem to love these little witch hunts :) Breein1007 (talk) 22:38, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't believe that claim, given that his Arabic should be fluent in that case (its not) and given the inconsistencies in the quality of the his English. Its a farce, and I won't be played for a fool.
 * As for your interest in having him stick around, I won't assume out loud as I'm pretty sure people can read between the lines anyway. And I never hunt witches, only socks, because they are usually disruptive, previously banned users who make editing here vastly unpleasant. Some of them are getting better at hiding their sock identity using technological covers that make conclusive rulings on their sock status impossible. But you wouldn't know anything about that, would you?  T i a m u t talk 07:15, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Implying something, habibti? Don't be jealous of my super mad technology skillz. Zionist death computer programmers supply me with the best. Lawl!?12. Breein1007 (talk) 07:19, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not your habibti, being neither dear to you, nor belonging to you in any way. Would appreciate you staying off my talk page. Thanks.  T i a m u t talk 07:30, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Sheik Bureik
Zero and I have been working on and off for a while on WikiProject Palestine/Sheikh Bureik..I think it is soon ready to be moved into article-space, would you care to help? At the moment the prose is, well, more a listing of facts, than good prose, if you see what I mean. Most of the sources should be available on the net (Sharon is great!). It would be wonderful if you could do the "finishing", and perhaps nominate it as a DYK? Cheers, Huldra (talk)


 * I made a once over copy edit and will try to do more soon before posting it to DYK. Great work there by the way.  T i a m u t talk 20:09, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Whaw! You have made it into an article! ...from a random collection of facts...fantastic! Post it to DYK whenever you feel you´re done with it...BTW; I was also sort of thinking to get Palestinian costumes to FA? It would have been fantastic if we could get it on the front page for Nakba-day...I can get/upload one picture of men in Bethlehem, picture discussed in Weir ..it was men´s clothing that was its weak point...Anyway; I´m logging out now (it´s been a looong day!) cheers, Huldra (talk) 22:10, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Will try to give another couple of once overs before nominating. Thanks for the encouragement as always. And I saw the troubles you dealt with yesterday. Sorry it took up so much of your time. Those socks are relentless, but pretty easily discovered when they get themselves into tizzy as they did yesterday. See you soon my dear.  T i a m u t talk 07:32, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Use of name "Palestinian" before 1960's?
Can you provide evidence of use of term "Palestinians" at the time of the Deir Yassin battle? Terminologistic (talk) 20:32, 15 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Are you under the impression that the word was invented in the 1960s? I remember it being used well before then. Yes, I know that "I remember" is not providing a reliable source, but I am astonished that anyone thinks that the word was new in the 1960s. JamesBWatson (talk) 20:35, 15 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Funny, I just left you two examples from 1951 and 1952 on your user page. I have to agree with JamesBWatson, its quite ridiculous to assert that its a new invention, as you do your user page.  T i a m u t talk 20:37, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Agian, wishful thinking is one thing, fantasyland, now back to reality, Can you provide me ONE journal, ONE book that mentioned the term "palestinians" before 1960's??? Why not?Terminologistic (talk) 20:43, 15 April 2010 (UTC)


 * As I said, I left you two examples on your user page:
 * You are wrong about the use of "Palestinians". Just two examples:


 * Life Magazine uses it in 1951 to refer to the refugees of the 1948 war in Saida.
 * Life Magazine quoting the Mufti using the term in 1952 to refer to the million and half Palestinian refugees.  T i a m u t talk 20:35, 15 April 2010 (UTC)  T i a m u t talk 20:45, 15 April 2010 (UTC)


 * And as noted in the article on Palestinian people:"Whatever the differing viewpoints over the timing, causal mechanisms, and orientation of Palestinian nationalism, by the early 20th century strong opposition to Zionism and evidence of a burgeoning nationalistic Palestinian identity is found in the content of Arabic-language newspapers in Palestinian Territories, such as Al-Karmil (est. 1908) and Filasteen (est. 1911). Filasteen, published in Jaffa by Issa and Yusef al-Issa, addressed its readers as 'Palestinians', first focusing its critique of Zionism around the failure of the Ottoman administration to control Jewish immigration and the large influx of foreigners, later exploring the impact of Zionist land-purchases on Palestinian peasants (فلاحين, fellahin), expressing growing concern over land dispossession and its implications for the society at large." T i a m u t talk 20:49, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

I see Terminologistic is now blocked as a toothie sock. Incidentally, for early uses of "Palestinians" and similar questions, the Google news archive is a good source. It was also used in the Palestine Post by 1950. Zerotalk 07:45, 16 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes ... more socks. Funny how the socks trying to insert poorly sources material into the article on Pan-Arabism, claiming that non-Arab minorities (with whom they often claim to be identified) have been persecuted by this ideology are the same socks making anti-Palestinian edits at I-P articles. Thanks for the tip on Google news archive. Of course, even after being provided evidence, these types of editors remain unconvinced, but its good for those who are editing in good faith and genuinely looking to add all relevant information from reliable sources.  T i a m u t talk 07:53, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * There's a special breed for those socking at Pan-Arabism, it's almost idiotic and comic how obvious they are. Who said Wikipedia couldn't be fun? ;) Yazan (talk) 08:05, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for dumping this wreck of an article on you...
but do you have any idea about the Society for Promotion of Female Education in the East? ..which seems to have something to do with China...or possibly Nazareth...or both? Lol! I cannot make heads or tail of this...cheers, Huldra (talk) 16:38, 18 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Also, would you care to take a look at Al-Qabu..still need work, but could possibly be a DYK? Lots of sources online.. Huldra (talk) 21:51, 18 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmmm...the first I have no idea about, but will ask around and look into in due time. About Al-Qabu, I'll do what I can today and tomorrow after a I solve a little puzzle about Kafr Thulth and Baalshalisha. Nice work as always Huldra.  T i a m u t talk 09:05, 20 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Great! Also; there is a discussion about a picture you uploaded on commons: See here. Now, as I have mentioned on the file-page; almost the exact same picture is in Khalidi (taken in 1991), and it is uploaded to the Pal.rem site. Well, I just wondered: how usual is it to have verses from the Qur'an over the entrance of a Jewish cemetary?? Cheers! Huldra (talk) 12:14, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The argument is still ongoing... Oh, and the same guy just uploaded a lot of pictures for Al-Manshiyya, Acre over at commons yesterday...and today request them deleted... Huldra (talk) 18:19, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * (deep deep sigh) I'm amazed by those assertions actually. That cemetery is one of my favourite places and having examined almost every inscription on the tombstones there, I can attest to their being universally written in Arabic. It is indeed an Islamic cemetery that was used by the villagers of Balad al-Shaykh (as noted by the mutliple sources I appended to that discussion you linked to at Commons). The attempts to deny the Arab and Muslim history of even the resting places of the dead that remain is so sad to me (as is the vandalism of the graves I've seen there, also discussed in some RS'). I wonder when the memoricide will stop? Or if it will continue until one day the Israelis are naming their weapons after Arab tribes they nearly decimated or their tools (just as the Americans do with their Apache helicopters and Tomahawk missiles). Sorry for the soap, but its really too disheartening.  T i a m u t talk 12:37, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Unbelievably, it seem the Apache tribe apparenly welcomed the use of their name for the helicopter . I think I'm going to be sick.  T i a m u t talk 12:41, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I think this is one of the reasons that I have started to dislike JVL so much; one thing is that it concentrates on Jewish history (nothing wrong with that!)...another thing is how it completely wipes out (or try to!) all Arab/Palestinian history. This is what it writes about Mamluk rule..the whole of 6 lines...no mention of the architecture (I really have to get those bridges-articles done..), how they get that to fit with the Ramleh-article, is another matter. Or some of the editors here: just see Aref al-Aref..notes that 5 Jews died in the 1920 riots...but not that 4 Arabs died, too. Sigh. Etc, etc. Of well, we just have to keep going. At least there are not (that many) who advocate that all Palestinians left in 1948 due to "Arab orders"...as there were, only 3-4 years ago, it´s progress! Cheers, Huldra (talk) 12:57, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Hello my dear; I think I am about done with Al-Qabu‎, filled in what Morris has to say. AFAIK; Israel grossly violated the Armistice Agreements with their action on 1 May 1949.. (so what else is new). I could perhaps expand events autumn -48, with some of the material in Khalidi (it is in the family-net-link)..but I really don´t know how accurate it it...as it is based on "The History of the war of independence". Could you perhaps copy-edit it, and nominate it for DYK? Cheers, Huldra (talk) 17:13, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Sheikh Danun
Hi, please check the French translation at Sheikh Danun from the French which I put on the talk page. Also, this place was apparently of some importance during Napoleon's invasion but I can't find anything. Cheers, Zerotalk 14:14, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * about Al-Qabu: I thought the time was running out, so I just wanted to nom it before it was to late..the laguage isn´t very good, though, and you are (as always!) much welcome to "smooth" it out (hint!). Otherwise; thank you for your work on Sheikh Danun..it qualified as a DYK (expansion-wise) on the 25th..if you would care to ce/add/nomitate it, it would be great. A pity we don´t have any picture, but the maps (especially the Jacotin one) are nice, methinks. It´s really quite special, that such a small place has two such ancient shrines.
 * And Zero has asked me to do something about my family honor ;) on Khulda (called "Huldre" by the Crusaders..), so I guess that will be my next project ;) Take care, cheers, Huldra (talk) 16:45, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I am so glad to see you over at Sheikh Danun and  Khulda! Sheikh Danun qualified as a DYK on the 25th, and  Khulda on the 26th: there are still 3 days+ to nominate them. However..now I *really* have to log out ..and I do not expect to be be back much until the week-end. Could I ask you to copy-edit and nominate them? I think  Sheikh Danun is almost ready? Also, on Khulda: note Mujir al-Din book in the ref; I found his the Khulda reference on p. 294....in French! Enjoy! Cheers, Huldra (talk) 13:06, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Sheikh Bureik, Lajjun
Ucucha 08:03, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Requested content
This is the content you asked me to retrieve from the deleted talk page.  Sandstein  08:03, 30 April 2010 (UTC) "Instead of focusing solely on Samar Abed Rabbo, who was shot in the spine but survived, the article should be merged into Abd Rabbo family incident to better reflect the whole story, which includes the death of her two sisters, and the wounding of other family members during the Gaza War. Relevant sources to be added include:


 * Soldier gunned down my daughters, says Gaza father
 * Five Year Old War Victim Samar Wage Juridical War On Israel
 * Cast Lead: 2 sisters killed and 1 maimed in wilful attack
 * New evidence of Gaza child deaths
 * Following Demand for Criminal Investigation by Adalah, Al-Haq and Al Mezan, Israeli Military Police Begin Probe into Killing and Wounding of Palestinians Carrying White Flags during Operation Cast Lead in Gaza
 * Bereaved Gaza Strip families demand answers T i a m u t talk 10:21, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

And more ...
 * Israel: Gaza 'White Flag' Deaths Inquiry a Step Forward
 * IDF to probe Gaza 'white-flag' deaths T i a m u t talk 10:28, 27 April 2010 (UTC)"

WikiCup 2010 April newsletter
Round two is over, and we are down to our final 32. For anyone interested in the final standings (though not arranged by group) this page has been compiled. Congratulations to, our clear overall round winner, and to and , who were solidly second and third respectively. There were a good number of high scorers this round- competition was certainly tough! Round three begins tomorrow, but anything promoted after the end of round two is eligible for points. 16 contestants (eight pool leaders and eight wildcards) will progress to round four in two months- things are really starting to get competitive. Anything you worry may not receive the necessary attention before the end of the round (such as outstanding GA or FA nominations) is welcome at WikiCup/Reviews, and please remember to continue offering reviews yourself where possible. As always, the judges are available to contact via email, IRC or their talk pages, and general discussion about the Cup is welcome on the WikiCup talk page.

Judge iMatthew has retired from Wikipedia, and we wish him the best. The competition has been ticking over well with minimal need for judge intervention, so thank you to everyone making that possible. A special thank you goes to participants and  for their help in preparing for round three. Good luck everyone! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn, Fox and The ed17 17:40, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

A/E
Hi Tiamut, Regarding your comments at A/E:

Unfortunately, the Western (i.e., English-language) media identify with Israelis and focus more on Israel than they do on the Arab world, so more English-language sources are available that describe Middle-Eastern food as Israeli dishes when, in fact, they may be traditional Arab dishes. Certainly a balance has to be achieved, maybe a better balance than we currently have. Perhaps Arabic-language sources should be used, but (as you know) there are only a small number of editors who edit in the Arab-Israeli area who can read Arabic. Fortunately Google now translates from Arabic to English, so verification of Arabic-language sources shouldn't be a problem.

I'm not suggesting that you tackle this issue, just suggesting a possible alternative to the perceived imbalance. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 18:54, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

DYKs, DYKs and more DYKS..
Hello my dear, I really have to log out now, but I just want to thank you for nominating Khulda ‎..and, ahem, I can find a zillion sources saying "Huldre" is an alternative name (plural form) for "Huldra"! ;)

Anyway; just noted: Al-Mazar, Jenin is actually already DYK-qualified, care to work on it? Not great..(but it was mentioned in Time magazine..) and there is *a lot* about the place in Guérin, which I don´t understand *at all*..it was finding that ref which started it all...you could perhaps "mine" it?

But Sulam should definitely go first, Zero said he would get Jacotin-map-section tomorrow. Closely related is Nabi Dahi; it should perhaps be taken into its own sub-page, where we can work on it? I was so delighted to find pictures on commons; definitely an article must be made! Cheers, and take care, Huldra (talk) 20:19, 30 April 2010 (UTC)


 * You provide the sources for Huldre=Hulda and I'll add it as a terminological footnote. But the hook nom for Khulda is already up and is based on your wise initial suggestion anyway.
 * I will copy edit Al Mazar, Jenin tonight or tomorrow and see what I can find in Guerin (I tried to download the PDF and failed, but will read it online instead. Is there a page reference? Duh ... I just saw it now, page 325 and you even provided a direct link). I'll nom it after Sulam and after adding the translated material from Guerin.
 * Sulam can be nommed after Zero0000 puts up the map. I'd like to nom Hableh before it though, if you don't mind.
 * Whenever you want to move Nabi Dahi into mainspace, I'll do what I can there too. Phew! That's a lot of DYKs! I'm out of the WikiCup race unfortunately, but at least I'll be getting much closer to 100 with what what we've done this week. (Okay not that much closer, but a lot closer than I was last week :). Thanks for all your work my dear.
 * PS. As you may have noticed, I was working on Jaffa orange. It would hard to get up to DYK though. Perhaps a good article nom in the near future. Don't forget the FA drive for Palestinian costumes. And I haven't forgotten Aga Aqil, I just got sidetracked. I like writing about places so much more than people it seems, particularly when they have histories that span millenia. Cheer my dear.  T i a m u t talk 20:28, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Wonderful! And I am now just amazed at all the Guerin-stuff, found by Zero, & trying to update "the library"! (As Zero found out: the Guerin-stuff at archive.org is actually "stored" under different names! You have author= "Guérin, Victor, 1821-1891", and then you have author="Guérin, Honoré Victor"...and I had only found the last one!)
 * As for the "next projext": I would really like to continue to give some of the Palestinian Arab villages and towns in Israel their history back, so to speak. Just started on Mazra'a..As for  DYK-stuff: I think Nabi_Dahi is a definitive candidate! (..beside Agil Aga..)If you would like to start developing Nabi_Dahi on a subpage: please do! -and I´ll add what I can. (It has pictures! -And you know how I LOVE articles with pictures ;) ) Of the -48-villages, Dayr al-Shaykh is very high on my list (look at the pictures on commons: & there is lots and lots about that Mamluk shrine in Petersen) -And I really love working with you and Zero ;) Cheers, Huldra (talk) 14:22, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Sheikh Danun
Materialscientist (talk) 08:03, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Al-Qabu
Materialscientist (talk) 00:02, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit summary
It isn't about you.Cptnono (talk) 09:34, 2 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I have no idea what you are talking about. But your revert (edit summary: "consensus or not there have been to many reverts. Maybe this revert will remind people that there is a talk page. And it was a military victory (we just may not be allowed to say it?)") was highly unproductive and not reflective of the discussion on the talk page. There, many people have expressed their opinion that "Israeli victory" doesn't belong in the infobox, given that its a disputed fact.
 * Your following that with this revert was also just plain weird. No one has expressed any dissension to the idea of including information about the mutual ceasefires. Are we reading the same discussion page?  T i a m u t talk 09:44, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * "I have participated in talk, as have others, to say this should not be included, given the differing opinions" You have not been active and since you reverted a revert of a revert of a revert that laid out clearly that conversation had not been ongoing you shouldn't have pretended otherwise. So when you say I have participated the only answer is no, you haven't. So feel free to jump in but don't misuse an edit summary.Cptnono (talk) 09:52, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I know you love me Cptnono, but your intense interest comes off as smothering sometimes. Please loosen your grip. On talk, days ago, I explained clearly why Israeli military victory would not fly in the infobox. None of the people reverting responded there (except you), so my summary is an accurate one. And please, look in the mirror. Your edit summary has to be the most nonsenical, internally contradictory rationale for a revert I've read in ages. Thank you for your observations and have a nice day.  T i a m u t talk 10:00, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * LOL. "I know you love me" was ridiculously cute and sounds like something I would say off Wikipedia while having shots. So I just made what I would consider a substantial change that limits the use of the infobox. Wikilinking to the subsection is laid out in the infobox's template and is the simplest, easiest, and most nonsense way to do it. Maybe it will work?Cptnono (talk) 10:05, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * And since I have your attention before you delete this: You were right and I was wrong since I thought you were on a 1rr but it was the other editor. And another one: Nableezy thought there was no proof that AM was a strawpuppet/sockpuppet. First time I have seen you guys not agree. I wanted to bring up those two things but didn't have the opportunity before. Have a good (whatever time zone you are in here) Cptnono (talk) 10:12, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The change looks like a good compromise for now. Thanks. About Nableezy, I tend to be more suspicious than him. Sometimes my paranoia pays off. Other times not. Have a good (night? and FYI, in Nazareth, its daytime now).  T i a m u t talk 10:43, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Query
Hi T. Regarding this diff, wouldn't it be better to convert the copyvio into a link, in a short entry (even a sentence), rather then simply delete it? Happy Sunday.--Epeefleche (talk) 18:17, 2 May 2010 (UTC)


 * The source is self-published and I'm not sure how to summarize such a long rant. Would you like to take a stab at it?  T i a m u t talk 18:21, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Before I take a stab, just to make sure it is worth it -- aren't self-published items by the article subject fine to reflect in a wp article? Tx.--Epeefleche (talk) 19:04, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * See this section of WP:RS. My problem with the material, besides it being a copyvio, was that it made a lot of claims about other living people. You can summarize info in the website about Shoebat himself, if it is not undul self-serving, etc. But the claims he makes about others are a no-go, as they are protected by WP:BLP too.  T i a m u t talk 19:13, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Agree as to all you say.--Epeefleche (talk) 20:55, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Here is what I propose, in lieu of what was deleted: "Writing 'You will find several articles attempting to discredit my story and my claims, none of which can respond to what you will find here', Shoebat also posted a highly detailed response on his website, in which he sharply disagreed with the assertions against him."
 * --Epeefleche (talk) 21:14, 2 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Sounds a bit wordy. Is the direct quote necessary? Why not write simply that "Shoebat posted a lengthy and detailed response on his website challenging the veracity of the assertions made against him."  T i a m u t talk 21:22, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It gives the flavor of the response, which is lost otherwise. It's only one sentence, and not very wordy at all compared to what it is meant to reflect.--Epeefleche (talk) 21:25, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Go ahead then. I'm not going to hold up your edit over a style objection.  T i a m u t talk 21:32, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Tx. Good working w/you. I will borrow some of the flavor of your suggestion as well.--Epeefleche (talk) 21:50, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Mazra'a
Tiamut dear, I had no plans as to make Mazra'a a DYK when I started expanding it, but by now my DYK-checker actually shows that it qualifies! The article still needs some work, though. I have asked Zero for 1931-census- data. And I would love to find a RS on the UNESCO-world heritage site; that should be expanded, methinks. Care to nominate it, when it is ready? Cheers, Huldra (talk) 00:39, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I´m fine with either of those hooks, just nominate it whenever you want. Zero has added the 1931-data (+other stuff), he also sent me an article about the events in 1948 (I´m still reading it..) And I don´t know if you saw this? Well, I just think it is such a waste of time; I much rather want to be writing articles...and ignore everything else...It is difficult at times, though! Cheers, Huldra (talk) 17:58, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Zero found a lot of refs for Yirka...(not in Petersen)..just starting to expand it ;) Huldra (talk) 20:23, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Is it worth it?
Is it worth it for you restoring that personal attack on the article talk page? I'm willing to fight to make sure that bullshit doesn't stay up, so it's up to you if you care enough. Breein1007 (talk) 16:02, 5 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Its not a personal attack and your removing it goes against WP:TALK. But since I'm here to write an encyclopedia and not WP:BATTLE, I don't care enough to fight you on it. So you enjoy your "victory", 007.  T i a m u t talk 20:23, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : L (April 2010)
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nice meeting you
Hey, yes I'm from shefa-amr, i also have friends (and family) in Nazareth. its nice finding other people from the area editing here, if u need any help with articles don't be a stranger :) Cheers! M5Power (talk) 17:26, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Hableh
Thanks for this one Victuallers (talk) 00:03, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Khulda
The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 11 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah, the difference a picture make! Btw, I have about 32..(?) now...never cared that much about it, but it was fun to see that so many noted this. And Al-Mirr is next; already qualifies, care to ce, and nom? ..before I´m possibly blocked :( Cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:08, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

email for Tiamut and Huldra
Tiamut and Huldra, I emailed you pages 401-408 from SWP II, that are missing from the copy at archive.org. Zerotalk 13:24, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Sulam
The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Mazra'a
The DYK project (nominate) 06:04, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Al Mazar, Jenin
Thanks from me and the wiki Victuallers (talk) 18:03, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Ar'ara
Hey, If you have time; would you care to take a look at Ar'ara? Zero startet; I continued. I haven´t really "mined" the Hadashot Arkheologiyot -sources yet. But it already qualifies as a DYK- according to the tester....but I think we need some more info about what happened in 1948-49 first..And ce! ..if you have time...It is actually fascinating finding out how long & interesting history some of these places have, don´t you think? Cheers, and take care, Huldra (talk) 20:19, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Al-Mirr
The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

99.9 %
'''99.9 % of the Middle East belongs to the Arabs.

Be happy with that.

Israel is the inheritance of Jacob, of the Jewish people.

It is the will of Allah.

Salam. ''' Sagi Nahor (talk) 08:51, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

WikiCup 2010 May newsletter
We are half way through round 3, with a little under a month to go. The current overall leader is, who has 570 points. He leads pool C. Pools A, B and D are led by, and  respectively. Anything you worry may not receive the necessary attention before the end of the round (such as outstanding GA or FA nominations) is welcome at WikiCup/Reviews, and please remember to continue offering reviews yourself where possible. As always, the judges are available to contact via email, IRC or their talk pages, and general discussion about the Cup is welcome on the WikiCup talk page.

Two of last year's final 8, and, have dropped out of the competition, saying they would rather their place went to someone who will have more time on their hands than them next round. On a related note, a special thank you goes to for his help behind the scenes once again. There is currently a problem with the poster, perhaps caused by the new skin- take a look at this discussion and see if you can help. The competition has continued to tick over well with minimal need for judge intervention, so thank you to everyone making that possible. Good luck to all! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn, Fox and The ed17 20:55, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

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Help:Translate to Arabic
Hello! I need some help on translation. Please translate the following word to Arabic. Thank you. Amit6 (talk) 15:48, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Bishop of Rome
 * Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople
 * Patriarch of Alexandria
 * Patriarch of Antioch
 * Patriarch of Jerusalem
 * Bishopric of Rome
 * Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople
 * Patriarchate of Alexandria
 * Patriarchate of Antioch
 * Patriarchate of Jerusalem

You are now a Reviewer
Hello. Your account has been granted the "reviewer" userright, allowing you to review other users' edits on certain flagged pages. Pending changes, also known as flagged protection, is currently undergoing a two-month trial scheduled to end 15 August 2010.

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'48 massacres
FYI :. 81.244.167.24 (talk) 07:32, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

WikiCup 2010 June newsletter
We're half way through 2010, and the end of the WikiCup is in sight! Round 3 is over, and we're down to our final 16. Our pool winners were (A),  (B, and the round's overall leader),  (C)  and  (D, joint), but, with the scores reset, everything is to play for in our last pooled round. The pools will be up before midnight tonight, and have been selected randomly by J Milburn. This will be the toughest round yet, and so, as ever, anything you worry may not receive the necessary attention before the end of the round (such as outstanding GA or FA nominations) is welcome at WikiCup/Reviews, and please remember to continue offering reviews yourself where possible. As always, the judges are available to contact via email, IRC or their talk pages, and general discussion about the Cup is welcome on the WikiCup talk page.

Though unaffiliated with the WikiCup, July sees the third Great Wikipedia Dramaout- a project with not dissimilar goals to the WikiCup. Everyone is welcome to take part and do their bit to contribute to the encyclopedia itself.

If you're interested in the scores for the last round of the Cup, please take a look at WikiCup/History/2010/Round 3 and WikiCup/History/2010/Full/Round 3. Our thanks go to for compiling these. As was predicted, Group C ended up the "Group of Death", with 670 points required for second place, and, therefore, automatic promotion. This round will probably be even tougher- again, the top two from each of the two groups will make it through, while the twelve remaining participants will compete for four wildcard places- good luck everyone! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn, Fox and The ed17

You are mentioned here re: Tariqabjotu
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The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : LII (June 2010)
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The article "Art Student Scam" on Administrator's board which you were involved in discussing on the articlesfordeletion page in early march
Hi Tiamut. Do you agree that a group of users with strong political bias was ganging up on you and other wikipedia users on the articlesfordeletion page for the Article "Art Student Scam" with the purpose of distorting facts for political reasons. Also, do you agree that it seems they acted to distort the topic of israeli spying in favor of the almost unnotable topic - chinese men selling fake art on the street. Third, do you agree that user:huey45 is acting in "bad faith" and lying when he repeatedly claims that the sources say "the art students weren't israelis" and when user:gilisa claims that the the sources are unreliable and that user:huey45 is not lying when he. These users, seem to be trying deliberately to make mistatements about the contents of the sources.

User huey45 says... This is a direct quote from huey45

“I called it "the fake Israeli thing" because all of the previous sources (yes, you're not the first person to mention this) suggested that the salesmen weren't even Israeli, let alone art students.”

Then he later says

"I never once lied in regards to this issue. When I said "the previous sources", I was referring to the sources that were presented before User:Preciseaccuracy turned up and started causing trouble. What do you think the word "previous" means? When the article was about the Israeli art students last time, there was considerable doubt as to the real nationality of these salesmen."

In fact, all of these sources unequivocally state that they were Israelis, and mention art students. The fact is that Huey45 has been repeatedly lying with the purpose of mutilating the content of this article. I think that he should be banned from this article.What is more troubling, is that a group of apparently politically motivated users continues to take his side in claiming that huey 45 is not lying.

Link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Huey45_acting_in_.E2.80.9Cbad_faith.E2.80.9D_and_colluding_with_others_to_sabotage_article_.E2.80.9CArt_Student_Scam.E2.80.9D

Other editors still make the claim that the israeli "art student" spying was an "urban myth." They will not even admit that this labeling is at least controversial. Whereas in reality, the israeli "art student" spy ring seemed to be at least "suspected."

user:gilisa claims that this four part fox news special doesn't count as evidence of supsected spying

4 part fox news special with Brit Hume and Carl Cameron on Israel spying, total time 20 minutes



Preciseaccuracy (talk) 11:42, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Preciseaccuracy (talk) 12:33, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

WikiCup 2010 July newsletter
We are half-way through our penultimate round, and nothing is yet certain. Pool A, currently led by has ended up the more competitive, with three contestants (,  and ) scoring over 500 points already. Pool B is led by, who has also scored well over 500. The top two from each pool, as well as the next four highest scorers regardless of pool, will make it through to our final eight. As ever, anything you worry may not receive the necessary attention before the end of the round (such as outstanding GA or FA nominations) is welcome at WikiCup/Reviews, and please remember to continue offering reviews yourself where possible. As always, the judges are available to contact via email, IRC or their talk pages, and general discussion about the Cup is welcome on the WikiCup talk page.

Planning has begun for the 2011 WikiCup, with open discussions concerning scoring and flags for next year's competition. Contributions to those discussions would be appreciated, especially concerning the flags, as next year's signups cannot begin until the flag issue has been resolved. Signups will hopefully open at some point in this round, with discussion about possible changing in the scoring/process opening some time afterwards.

Earlier this round, we said goodbye to, who has bowed out to spend more time on the book he is authoring with his wife. We wish him all the best. In other news, the start of this round also saw some WikiCup awards sent out by. We appreciate his enthusiasm, and contestants are of course welcome to award each other prizes as they see fit, but rest assured that we will be sending out "official" awards at the end of the competition. If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn, Fox and The ed17 22:51, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Merge discussion for [[Yibna ]]
An article that you have been involved in editing, [[Yibna ]], has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Sreifa (talk) 05:46, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Really?
A great description of yourself you have given D= DX--Mbz1 (talk) 13:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Just when I start to think you are a serious and collegial contributor to this encyclopedia ... If you feel you have a case for sockpuppetry, please go ahead and file a checkuser request. For the record, I have never edited Wikipedia using an alternate account and stopped editing as an IP when I made this account. Have a nice day.  T i a m u t talk 08:13, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the other editor was trying to point out that you have done what you accuse others of doing. Not really fun times to have that mudslinging but there is your clarification. And wanted to say congrats on your real life stuff before you blank this.Cptnono (talk) 08:59, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Of course,Tiamut, I only pointed out that you accused me of being a sock of a user, who speaks perfect English, with no reason whatsoever, and at the same time wrote about other editors "they are apt to resort to ad hominem attacks (eg. calling you a conspiracy theorist, a lying sockpuppet, or other such nonsense)" I would have never dreamed accusing you of being a sock. Sorry for misunderstanding.--Mbz1 (talk) 16:27, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Al-Aqsa Mosque
Perhaps you should know that Tom B has delisted this article from GA status as per 18:42, 5 August 2010 (UTC). It's a pity because it is already a nicely written and important article. I was wondering if you'd like to collaborate on improving it again? XoXo (talk) 11:40, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, and no problem. Just have fun and enjoy your life. Salam, XoXo (talk) 04:16, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : LIII (July 2010)
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WikiCup 2010 August newsletter
We have our final eight! The best of luck to those who remain. A bumper newsletter this week as we start our home straight.


 * Pool A's winner was . Awarded the top score overall this round, Sturmvogel_66 writes primarily on military history, favouring Naval warfare.
 * Pool B's winner was . Awarded the top score for featured articles this round, Casliber writes primarily on natural sciences, especially botany and ornithology.
 * Pool A's close second was . Awarded the top score for featured pictures this round, Sasata writes primarily on natural sciences, favouring mycology.
 * Pool B's close second was . Awarded the top score for good articles and topics this round, ThinkBlue primarily writes content related to television and film, including 30 Rock.
 * The first wildcard was . Awarded the top score for did you knows and valued pictures this round, TonyTheTiger writes on a number of topics, including baseball, American football and Chicago.
 * The second wildcard was . Someone who has helped the Cup behind the scenes all year, White Shadows said "I'm still in shock that I made it this far" and writes primarily on Naval warfare, especially U-boats.
 * The third wildcard was . Awarded the top score for featured lists and topics this round, Staxringold primarily writes on sport and television, including baseball and 30 Rock.
 * The fourth wildcard was . Entering the final eight only on the final day of the round, William S. Saturn writes on a number of topics, mostly related to Texas.

We say goodbye to the six who fell at the final hurdle. only just missed out on a place in the final eight. was not far behind. was awarded top points for in the news this round. contributed a variety of did you know articles. said "I'm surprised to have survived so far into the competition", but was extactic to see Finland in the semi-finals. did not score this round, but has scored highly in previous rounds. We also say goodbye to, who withdrew earlier this month after spending six weeks overseas. Anyone interested in this round's results can see them here and here. Thank you to for these.

Signups for next year's competition are now open. Planning is ongoing, with a key discussion about judges for next year open. Discussion about how next year's scoring will work is ongoing, and thoughts are more than welcome at Wikipedia talk:WikiCup/Scoring. Also, TonyTheTiger is compiling some information and statistics on the finalists here- the final eight are encouraged to add themselves to the list.

Our final eight will play it out for two months, after which we will know 2010's WikiCup winner, and a variety of prizes will be awarded. As ever, anything you worry may not receive the necessary attention before the end of the round (such as outstanding GA or FA nominations) is welcome at WikiCup/Reviews, and please remember to continue offering reviews yourself where possible. As always, the judges are available to contact via email, IRC or their talk pages, and general discussion about the Cup is welcome on the WikiCup talk page. If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn, Fox and The ed17 23:17, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

"Palestinian leaders are habitual liars" Wikifan12345 is messing up the Hamas page.
"Palestinian leaders are habitual liars" is one of his comments in the discussion section.Haberstr (talk) 20:56, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Nazareth
Hi Tiamut, I see you are from Nazareth? Do you still live there? I spent my summer in that lovely city.--TM 15:30, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It is very likely that you did see me. I had an internship on Tawfiq Ziyad St near the bus depot. It is a beautiful area. I traveled a number of times to Saffuriya, Ma'alul and elsehwere with my internship. I miss it!--TM 17:44, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Welcome back!
Tiamut, I really missed your presence on here in your absence. I hope you will return to edit actively once again. What happened to Huldra? Dr.  Blofeld  18:26, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

The Milhist election has started!
The Military history WikiProject coordinator election has started. You are cordially invited to help pick fourteen new coordinators from a pool of twenty candidates. This time round, the term has increased from six to twelve months so it is doubly important that you have your say! Please cast your vote here no later than 23:59 (UTC) on Tuesday, 28 September 2010.

With many thanks in advance for your participation from the coordinator team,  Roger Davies  talk 19:43, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Al-Manshiyya, Jaffa
Hi Tiamut, I was just going through my talk page, and remembered a project I had in mind that you found some sources for on User:Tiamut/Zeita. There's a Hebrew Wikipedia page on it that looks pretty substantial. Perhaps between your Hebrew and mine (and Google's), we can translate it into English :) --Fjmustak (talk) 08:11, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Note
Hey, Happy Eid ul-Fitr, Tiamut!! Hope things are good!! :-) --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 20:30, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * congrats on all your barnstars!! they look great! --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 03:45, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

WikiCup 2010 September newsletter
We are half-way through our final round, entering the home straight. leads at the time of writing with 1180 points, immediately followed by with 1175 points. closely follows in third place with 1100 points. For those who are interested, data about the finalists has been compiled at WikiCup/History/2010/finalists, while a list of content submitted by all WikiCup contestants prior to this round has been compiled at WikiCup/History/2010/Submissions. As ever, anything contestants worry may not receive the necessary attention before the end of the round (such as outstanding GA or FA nominations) is welcome at WikiCup/Reviews, and please remember to continue offering reviews yourself where possible. As always, the judges are available to contact via email, IRC or their talk pages, and general discussion about the Cup is welcome on the WikiCup talk page.

Despite controversy, the WikiCup remains open. Signups for next year's competition are more than welcome, and suggestions for how next year's competition will work are appreciated at Wikipedia talk:WikiCup/Scoring. More general comments and discussions should be directed at the WikiCup talk page. One month remains in the 2010 WikiCup, after which we will know our champion. Good luck everyone! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn, Fox and The ed17 23:10, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

MfD nomination of User:Tiamut/Palestine
User:Tiamut/Palestine, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Tiamut/Palestine and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of User:Tiamut/Palestine during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Green Giant (talk) 04:05, 10 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Should it get deleted and you require undeletion in future, I'd be happy to do so. Mjroots (talk) 13:03, 20 October 2010 (UTC)


 * The undeletion will be on the understanding that you will actively work on the article. It is not to be left untouched. Mjroots (talk) 07:36, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

mail
Hi, I sent you email. Zerotalk 03:43, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

وحشتينى جدا
I hope all is well with you and yours.  nableezy  - 18:05, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Salad
Now that the Israeli Salad article states pretty unequivocally that Israeli salad was originally Palestinian, you might consider revising or removing the Massad quote. I have read Massad's article, and agree heartily with it. But out of the context of the original, and as it appears in this article, it seems silly and trivial. It's like accusing America of culinary imperialism against Naples because of Pizza Hut, or against the Mexicans because of Taco Bell. Careful readers will not take this quote seriously.

Just a suggestion. --Ravpapa (talk) 17:35, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Hey you. I've made some changes to the History section at that article after re-reading it following the posting of your message. I think the Massad opinion remains relevant. I'm not sure what you mean by careful readers won't take it seriously but in any case I don't care whether or not people are convinced by it, only by its notability and reliability, coming as it does from a professor writing for an academic press and reflecting a rather widespread POV in the Arab world (and beyond). The whole tomato paragraph was however synth/or and I took that out. Anyway, I'm open to discussing the issue more on the talk (i.e. different ways to incorporate the information, but I'm not so keen on eliminating that POV from the article when it is a significant one). Hope you are doing well.  T i a m u t talk 21:32, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

WikiCup 2010 October newsletter
The 2010 WikiCup is over! It has been a long journey, but what has been achieved is impressive: combined, participants have produced over seventy featured articles, over five hundred good articles, over fifty featured lists, over one thousand one hundred "did you know" entries, in addition to various other pieces of recognised content. A full list (which has yet to be updated to reflect the scores in the final round) can be found here. Perhaps more importantly, we have our winner! The 2010 WikiCup champion is, with an unbelievable 4220 points in the final round. Second place goes to, with 2260, and third to , with 560. Congratulations to our other four finalists –, , and. Also, congratulations to, who withdrew from the competition with an impressive 2685 points earlier in this round.

Prizes will also be going to those who claimed the most points for different types of content in a single round. It was decided that the prizes would be awarded for those with the highest in a round, rather than overall, so that the finalists did not have an unfair advantage. Winning the featured article prize is, for five featured articles in round 4. Winning the good article prize is, for eighty-one good articles in round 5. Winning the featured list prize is, for six featured lists in round 1. Winning the picture and sound award is, for four featured pictures in round 3. Winning the topic award is, for forty-seven articles in various good topics in round 5. Winning the "did you know" award is, for over one hundred did you knows is round 5. Finally, winning the in the news award is, for nineteen articles in the news in round three.

The WikiCup has faced criticism in the last month – hopefully, we will take something positive from it and create a better contest for next year. Like Wikipedia itself, the Cup is a work in progress, and ideas for how it should work are more than welcome on the WikiCup talk page and on the scoring talk page. Also, people are more than welcome to sign up for next year's competition on the signup page. Well done and thank you to everyone involved – the Cup has been a pleasure to run, and we, as judges, have been proud to be a part of it. We hope that next year, however the Cup is working, and whoever is running it, it will be back, stronger and more popular than ever. Until then, goodbye and happy editing! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn, Fox and The ed17 03:12, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

about Fairuz's origin
Greetings I see that you're a Christian from the middle east so I thought you might have some kind of knowledge about the personal life of Fairuz.

First of all Fairuz was NEVER a catholic she have never appeared in catholic ceremonies as far as i know. Secondly, she had an Arab nationalist and pro-Palestinian background which is a typical attitude that prevailed amongst non-Maronite Christians in Lebanon.

It's funny how her origin is contested in wikipedia, she was a Coptic before I modified it, in the Arabic version she appears to be Palestinian, the chronology cite her as syriac (which is true for once), and she's Maronite in the English wikipedia. I have added as well some new links that support my claim in the discussion page. Ravi84m (talk) 02:00, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

I've got some links after googling:

الدين والدهماء والدم: العرب وإستعصاء الحداثة By أبو فخر، صقر‎

An article in Annahar by Samir Attallah

Greetings Ravi84m (talk) 17:10, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Request for assistance
Hello! Do you remember this review we did on states recognising the State of Palestine? I realise it's old news now, but I'm currently engaged in a debate on Talk:Foreign relations of the Palestinian National Authority, where an editor has reduced the figure in his own review.

I'm getting frustrated, because he can't understand what I'm trying to explain to him. We know that the number of recognition for the State is unclear, or subject to dispute. He's ignoring that, and stating that the number is "97". He admits that he doesn't know that it's 97, but that's what he's stating it is. Do you think you could please read through the discussion, and possibly try to explain it to him that we've already been through this?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!  Night  w   11:45, 14 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I saw the discussion. Its rather long and involved and my Wiki time is extremely limited these days. I'll try to review it more thoroughly in the days to come and if I have something of value to add, I will. Thanks for thinking of me, hope you are doing well.  T i a m u t talk 18:16, 16 November 2010 (UTC)


 * That's okay, it's winding down now, and after all the hoop-jumping I've had to do, I think I'm finally getting somewhere. Best regards,  Night  w   10:30, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Information
I permit myself to bring your attention about the edits of user:Marokwitz (16 november) who is removing the name 1948 Palestine war from all the articles of wikipedia. What can be done ? Noisetier (talk) 20:48, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * At some time there are up to 6 modifications per minute. He used a bot to perform this. Is this permitted on wikipedia ? Noisetier (talk) 21:10, 16 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi, I wonder why you are slandering me across many user pages without contacting me first. I am not removing the name. This war consisted of two stages, the 1947–1948 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine which lasted until May 14 1948, and the 1948 Arab–Israeli War after May 15, 1948. I'm just using the name of more specific campaign where applicable, instead of the broader name, in accordance to the sources. This is a simple matter of providing specific and accurate information. And if you have any problems with my edits, why not contact me? Marokwitz (talk) 06:04, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The revert of 500 internal links to the article 1948 Palestine war that you made last night is a pov-pushing. The way you justify you and the way you proceeded are not appropriate. I would add that in Hamas and the Taliban analogy, you collaborated a lot to the development of an Orignal Research. By essence, this is an exemple of pov-pushing.
 * You focus too much on the "letter of the right" to cover you. Wikipedia is also based on the 4th pillar (be civil) and such rules as WP:AGF that you just referred to. The is the "letter of the rule" and the "spirit of the rule".
 * In importing on wikipedia the israeli-palestinian conflict, you harm the image of Israel and the one of your community. I would advice you to read and think about Writing for the opponent. That would help you to improve the quality of your collaboration at the project in using simultaneously all our 5 pillars but more above all, that would increase your empathy for all sides of the I-P conflict.
 * Is there no article that you could *study* and *develop* on focusing both on reliable sources the content of which you don't like and on reliable sources you have sympathy for ?
 * Think about this. Noisetier (talk) 07:19, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * (see Marokwitz talk page for the follow up)

Establishment of Israel
Firstly, no apparent consensus is no reason to revert after the discussion was open for a month and no action was takem about the other countries. Secondly, there was an apparent consensus that there should be uniformity, so all the countries should either be amended together or not amended. Thirdly, Wiketiquette dictates that you disqualify yourself from editing Israel. You assumedly know why. Start with Egypt or Ethiopia. I will then do Israel... Monosig (talk) 14:56, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

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Al Jamal article
Hi Tiamut: thank you for your support and contribution to the article. I noticed my amendments were clashing with yours, so I will refrain from working on the article till tomorrow to give you a chance to do your bit. Again, thank you AboluayTalk2me 18:05, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

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Happy Tiamut's Day!
For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, click here. Have a Great Day... Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 05:07, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The above was given on behalf of User:La comadreja. -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 05:08, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * You're Welcome! :) Keep up the good work! :) -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 22:06, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi Tiamut
I'm glad to see you are still around. Happy Holidays! The Transhumanist 04:44, 15 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Dearest Tiamut; how are you? Hope you are well and busy with your family? I sort of got engulfed in some RL-affairs this autumn, it took most of my attention. Anyway: back to my 48-villages, now. Hope to see you around...Cheers, and best wishes, as always :) Huldra (talk) 08:39, 6 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I am so glad to hear that you are happily occupied! :)  Last autumn was really about tying up old "loose strings" up here...it took faaaaar more time and energy than I had expected. Now I´m finally seeing the end of it, and I cannot express how relieved I am. I have also looked on a "new project", but have not settled on anything specific. But with the state of the economy being as it is; there is no need to hurry. So; back to my 48-villages for now. Give my regards to your family! Cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:44, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

WikiCup 2011
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"Guilty of flying while Arab"
Just came across this, brought to mind what you said earlier.

Anyway, good to see your occasional presence here, hope you're enjoying your new life. --NSH001 (talk) 12:08, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Autopatrolled
Hello, this is just to let you know that I have granted you the "autopatrolled" permission. This won't affect your editing, it just automatically marks any page you create as patrolled, benefiting new page patrollers. Please remember:
 * This permission does not give you any special status or authority
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 * If you have any questions about the permission, don't hesitate to ask. Otherwise, happy editing! Acalamari 21:45, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

WikiCup 2011 January newsletter
We are half way through round one of the WikiCup. Signups are now closed, and we have 129 listed competitors, 64 of whom will make it to round two. Congratulations to, who, at the time of writing, has a comfortable lead with 228 points, followed by , with 144 points. Four others have over 100 points. Congratulations also go to, who scored the first points in the competition, claiming for Talk:Hurricane King/GA1, , who scored the first non-review points in the competition, claiming for Dognapping, and who was the first in the competition to use our new "multiplier" mechanic (explanation), claiming for Grigory Potemkin, a subject covered on numerous Wikipedias. Thanks must also go to Jarry1250 for dealing with all bot work- without you, the competition wouldn't be happening!

A running total of claims can be seen here. However, numerous competitors are yet to score at all- please remember to submit content soon after it is promoted, so that the judges are able to review entries. The number of points that will be needed to reach round two is not clear- everyone needs to get their entries in now to guarantee their places! If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, and you hope to get it promoted before the end of the round, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn and The ed17 22:44, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

The Bugle: Volume LVIX, January 2011
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WikiCup 2011 February newsletter
So begins round two of the WikiCup! We now have eight pools, each with eight random contestants. This round will continue until the end of April, when the top two of each pool, as well as the next 16 highest scorers of those remaining, will make it to round three. Congratulations to (first, with 487 points) and  (second, with 459), who stormed the first round. finished third with 223. Twelve others finished with over 100 points- well done to all of you! The final standings in round one can be seen here. A mere 8 points were required to reach round two; competition will no doubt be much more fierce this round, so be ready for a challenge! A special thanks goes, again, to for dealing with all bot work. This year's bot, as well as running smoothly, is doing some very helpful things that last year's did not. Also, thanks to for some helpful behind-the-scenes updating and number crunching.

Some news for those who are interested- March will see a GAN backlog elimination drive, which you are still free to join. Organised by WikiProject Good articles, the drive aims to minimise the GAN backlog and offers prizes to those who help out. Of course, you may well be able to claim WikiCup points for the articles you review as part of the drive. Also ongoing is the Great Backlog Drive, looking to work on clearing all of the backlogs on Wikipedia; again, incentives are offered, and the spirit of friendly competition is alive, while helping the encyclopedia is the ultimate aim. Though unrelated to the WikiCup, these may well be of interest to some of you.

Just a reminder of the rules; if you have done significant work on content this year and it is promoted in this round, you may claim for it. Also, anything that was promoted after the end of round one but before the beginning of round two may be claimed for in round two. Details of the rules can be found on this page. For those interested in statistics, a running total of claims can be seen here, and a very interesting table of that information (along with the highest scorers in each category) can be seen here. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, and you hope to get it promoted before the end of the round, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn and The ed17 23:52, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Outline collaboration
Here's the latest addition to the religion section of Portal:Contents/Outlines. Wikipedia has rich coverage on this subject. Very interesting, especially from sociological and historical perspectives.


 * Outline of Sikhism

This is a call to all members of the Outline WikiProject and outline aficionados to help refine this outline. It needs annotations, missing topics added, and the entries in the general concepts section placed in more specific sections.

Come join in on the fun and get acquainted with members of the Outline WikiProject!

The Transhumanist 04:50, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

P.S.: I had no idea this religion was so extensive or that it had so many followers. Hope to see you on the outline.

Mail
Hello, you got mail. 79.182.123.90 (talk) 07:15, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LX, February 2011
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WikiCup 2011 March newsletter
We are half way through round two of the WikiCup, which will end on 28 April. Of the 64 current contestants, 32 will make it through to the next round; the two highest in each pool, and the 16 next highest scorers. At the time of writing, our current overall leader is with 231 points, who leads Pool H.  (Pool G) also has over 200 points, while 9 others (three of whom are in Pool D) have over 100 points. Remember that certain content (specifically, articles/portals included in at least 20 Wikipedias as of 31 December 2010 or articles which are considered "vital") is worth double points if promoted to good or featured status, or if it appears on the main page in the Did You Know column. There were some articles last round which were eligible for double points, but which were not claimed for. For more details, see WikiCup/Scoring.

A running total of claims can be seen here. However, numerous competitors are yet to score at all- please remember to submit content soon after it is promoted, so that the judges are able to review entries. The number of points that will be needed to reach round three is not clear- everyone needs to get their entries in now to guarantee their places! If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, and you hope to get it promoted before the end of the round, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn and The ed17 01:10, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Palestinians & List of indigenous peoples
Thanks for weighing-in. DieWeisseRose (talk) 05:39, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

violation and gaming of 1RR
I've reported you at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration. AFolkSingersBeard (talk) 15:34, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Welcome back
I know it's belated, but seriously, Welcome Back! You've certainly been missed as you always are when you're on break. It seems you, Huldra, and I can't manage to be here at the same time anymore ... Anyway, I look forward to seeing you embark on another project improving Palestine and Arab-related articles on the Wiki (Congrats on the Qedarites btw.) Don't want to to bombard you but if you ever have time, could you check out Abu Ali Iyad and Khayr al-Din al-Ramli? I've nominated the former for GA, but it could still definitely use more info and perhaps some ce. Not gonna lie, I've never had more trouble finding sources for an article which is surprising in this case because this guy was pretty famous in Palestinian circles. --Al Ameer son (talk) 20:05, 21 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I didn't mean to come back actually, and don't really have time for it. So I can't promise I'll help out where you're working, with regrets. Miss editing with you all though. Just doing a little pruning here and there and got carried away. Serious addiction the wiki. Take care Al Ameer Son and don't stop collecting and disseminating knowledge. Its a beautiful things.  T i a m u t talk 20:12, 21 April 2011 (UTC)


 * No worries and you're on point about the addiction issue; I got finals next week and I don't know why I keep editing here! But seriously, make sure you pop in every now and then at the least. Trust me it makes a difference. As for me, I have a few projects to keep me busy. Salam. --Al Ameer son (talk) 20:20, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Seconded. If only to make us smile, try to make your name show up in our watchlists every once in a while.  nableezy  - 21:40, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
 * And seeing you all back makes me grin ear to ear. I'll do what I can. It won't be much though. Nableezy, I hope Egypt was al you wanted it to be and becomes all its people want it to be.  T i a m u t talk 17:46, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Hey! Nice to see you back! RL-issues still need some "cleaning-up" here, but I hope to start editing again this week-end or next week. (And it seem as if some fought the 3rd WW on my talk-page while I was away...oh well. Don´t know if I should care too much about it.) Tiamut dear; could you please check your email? Cheers, Huldra (talk) 18:09, 5 May 2011 (UTC)


 * So good to hear from you my love. Will check my email, bt it will take a bit of time. Yes, I'm trying to sneak in edits here and there, inspired by real life visitations :). Hope we will have a chance to work together again soon.  T i a m u t talk 18:19, 5 May 2011 (UTC)


 * And thank you for your love an care on Hamsa. Nice work, maybe it is worth a barnstar, don't know ;) It is always nice to see you editing! AgadaUrbanit (talk) 18:15, 5 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey, nice "seeing" you again! I have been so busy on another web-site (not in English!) ...and I really have learned that the last 10% of the job...takes 90% of the time! Oh well, finished there (for now)...hope to be here more in the future. :) Cheers, Huldra (talk) 12:02, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Btw; did you notice that people are concerned about your sleeping-habits? Lol! Cheers,Huldra (talk)

WikiCup 2011 April newsletter
Round 2 of the 2011 WikiCup is over, and the new round will begin on 1 May. Note that any points scored in the interim (that is, for content promoted or reviews completed on 29-30 April) can be claimed in the next round, but please do not start updating your submissions' pages until the next round has begun. Fewer than a quarter of our original contestants remain; 32 enter round 3, and, in two months' time, only 16 will progress to our penultimate round. , who led Pool F, was our round champion, with 411 points, while 7 contestants scored between 200 and 300 points. At the other end of the scale, a score of 41 was high enough to reach round 3; more than five times the score required to reach round 2, and competition will no doubt become tighter now we're approaching the later rounds. Those progressing to round 3 were spread fairly evenly across the pools; 4 progressed from each of pools A, B, E and H, while 3 progressed from both pools C and F. Pools D and G were the most successful; each had 5 contestants advancing.

This round saw our first good topic points this year; congratulations to and  who also led pool H and pool B respectively. However, there remain content types for which no points have yet been scored; featured sounds, featured portals and featured topics. In addition to prizes for leaderboard positions, the WikiCup awards other prizes; for instance, last year, a prize was awarded to (who has been eliminated) for his work on In The News. For this reason, working on more unusual content could be even more rewarding than usual!

Sorry this newsletter is going out a little earlier than expected- there is a busy weekend coming up! A running total of claims can be seen here. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, and you hope to get it promoted before the end of the round, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn and The ed17 19:32, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXI, March 2011
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My theory
Hi, Tiamut! I saw your pleasant edit summary at Hamas school bus attack just now, and that you'd added to the article about Hamas' intent. I have a different idea about what happened, and I'd like to share it with you.

You saw from the current lead of our own article that this AP source supports the statement that Hamas pretty much "held its fire" until Israel killed some of its leaders the week before the bus attack. This JPost article, and these two from Ynet talk about how the kid who was killed was the only one on the bus, besides the driver, when it was hit, after it had dropped all the other kids off, 50 metres back on the road, at their kibbutz. If you read the four stories carefully, you'll see repeated statements like this one, about the boy: "He was just here visiting his grandmother for a few days, to make her happy, and he went for a ride with the bus driver, who is a friend of the family," his father said.

Other kids said he was just riding around on the bus with the family friend, i.e. with the driver, and didn't appear to be going anywhere in particular. If you look at the video of the bus, and the still photos, you'll see it was very open country, a place where someone targeting the bus would have had the sweep of a long, open section of road to target. Yet the bus was struck 50 metres after all the kids got off, all the kids except the one who wasn't supposed to be there. Hamas could certainly have targeted the bus 50 or 100 metres "earlier" in the bus trip, i.e. before the kids got off at the kibbutz. The didn't. My guess is that they knew that if they killed school kids on a bus in that way, that there'd be hell to pay. My guess is that they purposely waited until after the bus was (as they thought, probably from watching on previous days) empty of students.

Why target a school bus at all, and especially an empty one? I think they were trying to send a very serious message to the Israeli command structure, saying something like, "If you target our leadership again we will blow a school bus to pieces that's not empty of kids. All we'd have to do is fire 50 metres earlier." Kind of like in the movies when someone sends a photo to an enemy of that enemy through the "crosshairs" of a rifle scope. Or like in ancient Chinese ninja stories where the assassin just leaves a dagger on the bedside table of an enemy while he's asleep. A way of saying, "If you keep trying to hurt me, I can hurt you too." That's my theory, anyway; I don't see anything else that makes sense. The kid who was killed wasn't expected to be on the bus. I don't think Hamas intended to kill any kids; I just think they wanted to send the message, "Leave us alone, because we can." My guess is that they were probably really, really disturbed to learn that the bus had a kid on it. All speculation, of course, and I know we can't use any of it in the article, but nothing else I can think of explains the facts in a way that makes sense to me, and I wondered what someone else might think... I didn't mean to write a novel, though; delete this whenever you feel like it. Cheers, –  OhioStandard  (talk) 12:19, 1 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Your theory is pretty close to my private musings on the matter. Not usuable at all in the article of course, but thanks for sharing it anyway.  T i a m u t talk 05:33, 2 May 2011 (UTC)


 * "My guess is that they were probably really, really disturbed to learn that the bus had a kid on it."


 * What!?! I can go with the possibility that they wanted to blow up an empty school bus, because having your terrorist leaders killed can make you want to threaten children. But I'm sure it was all dry-eyes in the Gaza terror-cave when a dead kid was on TV.132.160.54.152 (talk) 00:09, 10 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.160.54.159 (talk)


 * Hmm. I won't comment on your interpretation of the gist of my comment, but I will say that you've misunderstood why I wrote that I think Hamas was probably very disturbed to learn that they'd killed the boy. I wrote that because, having accomplished what I believe they were only intending to threaten, they would have realized that they'd have Israeli artillery fire raining down on Gaza in short order as a result. And it did, of course: 19 people were killed and 45 - 57 (depending on which source you read) were wounded. And since you like the word "terrorist" so much, do you really think the mother and daughter in Gaza who were killed, or the ten year old boy weren't "terrorized", I wonder? That's a rhetorical question; if you really want to answer it we should meet on my talk page, out of consideration for our host, here. – <font face="Cambria"> OhioStandard  (talk) 20:53, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

A freedom fighter fights an occupying army. It would be one thing if Hamas fought the Israeli Army. They wouldn't be terrorists, just unconventional soldiers, even if they used suicide bombs.

I wanted to comment on this idea that Hamas felt bad about dead children. They target civilians on purpose. So I thought it worth airing my opinion that they were stone-faced about the dead boy.

You raise legitimate points about heavy-handed Israeli responses. The IDF may not be doing enough to limit collateral damage. This is difficult because Hamas hides in civilian neighborhoods. They do this because they do not care about civilians, Palestinian or Jewish. I think Hamas likes the numbers that you quoted. Dead children, Jew or Palestinian, is good for the Hamas cause. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.160.54.151 (talk) 22:10, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Baqa al-Gharbiyye
In case you have nothing to do ;), it is a bit of a mess and needs some care. Zerotalk 08:49, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

AfD needed for an irretrievably skewed article
Hi Tiamut! Do you know how to AfD an article? I don't, although I know I should learn.

I ask because I saw this link swap to our article on the Palestine Liberation Organization. When I compared TheCuriousGnome's preferred link to the original Wikisource one I was was surprised that his link was so far out of touch with the original source. Then I looked at the revision history for his preferred link, and found that he just created the PLO's Phased Plan article (link/permalink), and is its only editor so far. Where did he come up with that title, anyway, I wonder?

Anyway, it seemed odd that a very pro-Israel editor would be interested in creating an article about a PLO policy statement. But as I read more of the article he created, and compared it to the PLO's actual 10 point plan, it seemed to me that his article constitutes nothing more than a soapbox. It's so utterly biased from the get go that it can't possibly be used as a baseline from which to start. My guess is that the subject is notable, but the current article is irretrievably bad. The slate should be wiped clean so editors can the opportunity to create an article that fairly represents its subject. Care to do the honors, if you know how? – <font face="Cambria"> OhioStandard (talk) 11:25, 10 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh, also: I think every one of these five redirects needs to go, as well; I know even less about redirects than I do about starting an AfD, though. Perhaps he'll have created more redirects by the time you see this. Best, – <font face="Cambria"> OhioStandard  (talk) 11:41, 10 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Ughhhh ... I think its time for you to learn how to file an AfD. Read the page WP:AfD (and the associated pages it points you too). I'm sorry I just don't have the time (or patience) for this right now.
 * You might also want to consider a rename to Ten Point Program (PLO) (and Ten Point Program should be made a disambig - Ten-Point Program currently redirects to a section of the Black Panthers) and a rewrite. Generally, articles cannot be nominated for deletion on POV grounds (its an argument for improvement, not deletion). Tedious, to be sure, but perhaps less tedious than a deletion discussion. Good luck. And again, sorry for bailing.  T i a m u t talk 18:45, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Nakba Day
Since the reseting of the pending changes settings for Nakba Day, you have edited it 25 times. I find some of these changes misleading, bias and POV. Israguy (talk) 18:22, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Concerning the Naksa Day protests i also share his criticism. You have erased every sentence, which does not suit to your worldview, especially the statements of the Syrian Reform Party concerning the Naksa protests, which in their eyes would be incited. True or not, it is an important informative statement. Israel is not the only violator of palestinian rights, so please don't distort the facts by erasing every sentence which is not fitting in your worldview.--Mardas90 (talk) 14:30, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXII, April 2011
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Identifying districts in village articles
Hi, You might like to add to this: User talk:Noisetier. Zerotalk 01:17, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

RM alert
The move request at Talk:Foreign relations of the Palestinian National Authority was closed, so we're now taking suggestions for an alternative. As you were involved in the previous discussion, I'd be grateful if you could contribute to the new one. Please lodge your support for a proposal, or make one of your own. Night w2 (talk) 04:19, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Need help with Arabic translation
You speak Arabic right?

I use Google translate but cant figure this out.

Does this link say that "Majdal Shams" is directly Aramaic? or that it originates from Aramaic? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 19:22, 28 May 2011 (UTC)


 * From what I understand, Majd al-Shams is an Aramaic language place name (as indicated by the "Aramaic" denoted in parantheses after the Arabic translation of the name. It is the name used by the presently Arab inhabitants of Majd al-Shams who preserved the original Aramaic name (The text above the list of place names discusses the continuity of settlement in the Golan over many historical periods and how the names of towns reflect their ancient origins). Burj al-Shams, appearing after the colon) is given as the meaning of the name in Arabic (which translates into English as "Tower of the Sun"). Does that answer your question?  T i a m u t talk 19:46, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
 * So the source says that "Majdal Shams" is directly Aramaic? (an Aramaic name) --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 19:56, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
 * That's my understanding of it. In English letters, the line pertaining to Majdal Shams says: m-j-d-l sh-m-s : b-r-j al sh-m-s (arami). This means Majdal Shams : Tower of the Sun (Aramaic). In Aramaic, the word for "tower" is in fact represented by the consonants m-g-d-l (like Arabic, short vowels are not expressly indicated in Aramaic but instead implied), and is transliterated in English as Migdal, Magdal, Magdala or even Majdal. As there is no "G" in Arabic, "J" is naturally used to represent that letter. And the Aramaic word for "Sun" ses the same letters as the Arabic: sh-m-s. This is transliterated into English a number of different ways that mask the essential similarity.  T i a m u t talk 20:35, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Apology
Hi Tiamut. How are you? i want to apologize to you for having done those edits which may have undermined your trust in me, or which offended you, or which caused a decline in our relationship as fellow editors. i really value your opinion and your insight. i really hope we will be able to restore some degree of our ability to work together. I'd be grateful if you could please write back, and please let me know what i might be able to do to help to address your concerns. i really appreciate it. thanks. --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 16:59, 31 May 2011 (UTC)


 * thanks for your reply! great to hear from you. see you. --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 19:26, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

WikiCup 2011 May newsletter
We're half way through round 3 of the 2011 WikiCup. There are currently 32 remaining in the competition, but only 16 will progress to our penultimate round. , of pool D, is our overall leader with nearly 200 points, while pools A, B and C are led by, and  respectively. The score required to reach the next round is 35, though this will no doubt go up significantly as the round progresses. We have a good number of high scorers, but also a considerable number who are yet to score. Please remember to submit content soon after it is promoted, so that the judges are able to review entries. Also, an important note concerning nominations at featured article candidates: if you are nominating content for which you intend to claim WikiCup points, please make this clear in the nomination statement so that the FAC director and his delegates are aware of the fact.

A running total of claims can be seen here. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, and you hope to get it promoted before the end of the round, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn and The ed17 23:38, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Bayt Nuba
Hi, Google found your start at a Bayt Nuba article. Do you want help? Zerotalk 13:00, 2 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes. Where? There?  T i a m u t talk 18:07, 2 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Maybe it will be most convenient to use your work page until it is ready to move, as then we can write our comments on the same page instead of having to keep it presentable all the time. The amount on information on this place is not great. Zerotalk 23:27, 2 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I replaced Yishuv with Israeli. Just to be clear, did you want me to do that or add a separate parameter for Israeli forces in addition to the pre-Israeli Yishuv? Also, thank you for getting started with Bayt Nuba. I was going to way back but I guess I forgot about it. Look forward to working on it with you guys ;) --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:40, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * That's what I thought. I made the changes so now you write "MY" for "Military assault by Yishuv forces" and "EY" for "Expulsion by Yishuv forces." --Al Ameer son (talk) 17:05, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Taking Zero's suggestion, now it's "I" for "Expulsion by Israeli forces." --Al Ameer son (talk) 17:57, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Noticed your comment
Hi, Tiamut. I noticed your comment. Did you notice this ? For my own part, I'm suspending judgment re whether I'd support any action of the sort you suggest, pending EdJohnston's response to the question I just asked of him on his talk. If he's willing to provide one, that is: I can certainly understand why he might choose not to, in all good faith. I'd suggest that you, also, might like to wait for things to settle down for a couple of days, before you decide whether to initiate an RfC. I understand, for example, that AGK is preparing a detailed reply to SD, and it seems only reasonable to see that first. But ping me on my talk, please, if you do decide to go ahead.

I've nevertheless watchlisted this page, so I shouldn't miss any reply, and I do normally prefer to keep discussions on the page where they began. Thanks, – <font face="Cambria"> OhioStandard  (talk) 15:59, 2 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm in no rush. I'm so disgusted by the capriciousness with which people I respect are being banned around here, but I don't have the time or patience to deal with it in depth at the moment. I'll see how things develop over the next couple of days.  T i a m u t talk 18:04, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXIII, May 2011
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Sami Hawadi and 1945 village statistics
Hi, I raised this issue once before but I think I didn't have my facts straight so let's start over. We have a lot of articles quoting from this document in various ways, including plenty that attribute it personally to Sami Hadawi. I'm proposing that we formulate a consistent citation text. It seems Hadawi was somewhat involved in the original compilation of the data, but he does not claim to have been in charge of it. (He writes: As the Official Land Valuer and Inspector of Urban Tax Assessments of the Palestme Government during the years 1935 to 1948. and the officer who was entrusted with the task of compiling the figures on classification of land and area ownership, this writer feels competent to comment on the accuracy of the contents of the 'Village Statistics 1945 .' Also his biography here says only "served as an inspector and land value assessor from 1938-48, contributing to the British government’s exhaustive work Village Statistics 1945: A Classification of Land and Area Ownership in Palestine".) Since he was a contributor and not in charge, I don't think we should mention him in the text of articles.

According to the catalogue of the National Library of Israel, the original is:  Palestine. Department of Statistics. Village statistics, April, 1945. [Jerusalem] : [s.n.], 1945. I've seen it cited in the same way in journal articles. A few say "Office of Statistics" but that is definitely wrong.

On the other hand, WP:SAYWHEREYOUGOTIT applies so we should cite Hadawi too. (There is also a partial version here that only has places inside the green line but separates Muslims and Christians.)

Here is my first attempt. We could make a template for it when we agree on the details:
 * Government of Palestine, Department of Statistics. Village Statistics, April, 1945. Quoted in S. Hadawi, Village Statistics 1945. PLO Research Center, 1970.

(Please respond here.) Zerotalk 05:05, 5 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Looks good to me. Perhaps though we should move the link to the online version to the end and note its available at PalestineRemembered?
 * Government of Palestine, Department of Statistics. Village Statistics, April, 1945. Quoted in S. Hadawi, Village Statistics, 1945. PLO Research Center, 1970. (Available online at Palestine Remembered)  T i a m u t talk 17:28, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure we need to spell out "Palestine Remembered" since we are only using it as a convenience link and not claiming that PR is a reliable source. What about (also changed font):
 * Government of Palestine, Department of Statistics. Village Statistics, April, 1945. Quoted in S. Hadawi, Village Statistics, 1945. PLO Research Center, 1970.

It wasn't so hard to make a template, and I made one for the UN version too. We can still change the text, but here are my drafts:

Zerotalk 04:47, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't think bare links are a good idea - they look ugly and unprofessional to me. Zero, I think your first version is the best. Just my two cents' worth. --NSH001 (talk) 15:54, 6 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I've gotten sidetracked. Whichever way you want to go is fine by me.  T i a m u t talk 20:33, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Ref tags on talk pages
Hi, Tiamut! Would you have a look here, where I mentioned you? I just sorted a jumble that you inadvertently contributed to on a talk page, and I'd appreciate it. The short version is that when you copypaste text from an article onto a talk page, and that text includes material between ref tags, you need to place a "local" reflist of the form in order both to make the embedded refs actally appear and, perhaps more important, keep them from being listed in other sections on the page that have nothing to with them. If you don't want the refs to show up, then you need to remove them from the text copied to the talk page, so they don't "magically" show up when someone else adds a reflist in a subsequent section. Thanks, – <font face="Cambria"> OhioStandard  (talk) 15:33, 6 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for alerting me to this. I'll try to remember in the future.  T i a m u t talk 20:37, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

a question
if you're an israeli palestinian who supports a palestinian country then why do you oppose lieberman's ideas of population and land swapping? why do you support a palestinian country but you don't want to live there? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Someone35 (talk • contribs) 06:43, 8 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I believe in less borders, not more. I want to see the free movement of people across the Middle East, North Africa and beyond. The Palestinian Authority represents me about as much as the Israeli government does - i.e. not at all.  T i a m u t talk 08:01, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

New accounts with experienced editors using them
Hi, Tiamut. I know from your previous comments that you're also quite concerned about the upsurge we've seen in the I/P area of new accounts with obviously experienced editors behind them. I've posted here to RolandR's talk page about the problem, including disclosure of a rather clumsy attempt I made recently at AE to address what I view as an instance. We do need to find a venue where requests for wp:scrutiny disclosures to some appropriately selected group of admins are supported, though, rather than being treated, most improperly, in my opinion, as some kind of harassment. SPI isn't such a venue, and perhaps AE isn't, either. Anyway, I'd welcome your thoughts on the matter, at RolandR's page, if you can look in. Thanks, – <font face="Cambria"> OhioStandard  (talk) 05:26, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Al-Jiftlik
Hi, Can you help regarding the location of Al Jiftlik, see Talk:Al-Jiftlik‎. Thanks. Zerotalk 05:04, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

UOJComm (talk) 01:31, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Syria
Hey. I under stand your concern, but you must understand that the Irish times did not say where they got that info, unlike other sources like the guardian and telegraph which clearly state it is from activists, witnesses, in a sepcefic city, ect. Please find a source which such, shouldn't be too hard. In the meantime i found a source which confirms islamic groups taking up arms in the North, and so i added that in the intro. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/14/world/middleeast/14syria.html

The situation in Syria is much like yemen, mass protests but alqaeda groups taking advantage to gain territory like in Zinjibar, not armed civilians.

I took a great amount of time piling 11 references each describing the source of their own info, to put a credible statement about the killing of those refusing to shoot in Syria, so I am not being a hypocrite here.

Also we don't compare uprisings in the lead. Please make a subsection, Zenithfel (talk) 19:55, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Revolutionary wave
Arab Spring.

We live in interesting times. Wouldn't you agree?

Long time no see. The Transhumanist 08:16, 29 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Interesting indeed ... I never thought people would overcome their fear of the undemocratic regimes that rule them and the Western powers that fund them. Still, I can't help but be supremely skeptical given that the last time there was a great Arab revolt it was followed by the carving up of the Arab world by France and England along lines of their own choosing. This time, who knows what will happen? From Nazareth, we watch with fascination, waiting for the outcome. People here still harbour enough fear to prevent them from being anything other than spectators.  T i a m u t talk 16:52, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Danger: alert page unnoticed
The Outline of relationships was nominated for deletion.

It was then overhauled and the nomination was withdrawn.

Before → After.

Only a couple members from the Outlines WikiProject showed up at the AfD.

Do you have WikiProject Outlines/Article alerts watchlisted?

If not, please watchlist it.

Thank you. The Transhumanist 08:16, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

WikiCup 2011 June newsletter
We are half way through 2011, and entering the penultimate round of this year's WikiCup; the semi-finals are upon us! Points scored in the interim (29/30 June) may be counted towards next round, but please do not update your submissions' pages until the next round has begun. 16 contestants remain, and all have shown dedication to the project to reach this far. Our round leader was who, among other things, successfully passed three articles through featured article candidates and claimed an impressive 29 articles at Did You Know, scoring 555 points. Casliber led pool D. Pool A was led by, claiming points for a featured article, a featured list and seven good article reviews, while pool C was led by , who claimed for two good articles, ten articles at Did You Know and four good article reviews. They scored 154 and 118 respectively. Pool B was by far our most competitive pool; six of the eight competitors made it through to round 4, with all of them scoring over 100 points. The pool was led by, who claimed for, among other things, three featured articles and five good articles. In addition to the four pool leaders, 12 others (the four second places, and the 8 next highest overall) make up our final 16. The lowest scorer who reached round 4 scored 76 points; a significant increase on the 41 needed to reach round 3. Eight of our semi-finalists scored at least twice as much as this.

No points were awarded this round for featured pictures, good topics or In the News, and no points have been awarded in the whole competition for featured topics, featured portals or featured sounds. Instead, the highest percentage of points has come from good articles. Featured articles, despite their high point cost, are low in number, and so, overall, share a comparable number of points with Did You Know, which are high in number but low in cost. A comparatively small but still considerable number of points come from featured lists and good article reviews, rounding out this round's overall scores.

We would again like to thank and  for invaluable background work, as well as all of those helping to provide reviews for the articles listed on WikiCup/Reviews. Please do keep using it, and please do help by providing reviews for the articles listed there. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews generally at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup.

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Thanks
Just wanted to say how much I appreciate the "take on Shakespeare" quote at the top of this page. Profound stuff, Thanks <font face="Times" color="105570">Prunesqualor <font face="times" color="FF7070">billets_doux  03:42, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Re "Welcome to Palestine" article
If other editors wish to leave the somewhat hysterical response, by Israeli officials, in the intro, there is little I can do about it (I am currently barred from editing articles in this field). I just hope my suggestions on the talk page won't tempt you toward any 1RR issues etc (I'm sure that advice is unnecessary, as you are a far more experienced editor than myself, but felt obliged to give it anyway as I don't wish to be responsible for causing you problems). All the best <font face="Times" color="105570">Prunesqualor <font face="times" color="FF7070">billets_doux  11:21, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Sometimes including Israel's hysterical response to things is more informative to the reader, which is why I added it in the first place. I have faith in the ability of all human beings to think critically, and I think most see it for what is. Even Israelis criticized their government's reaction as hysterical, something which should be added to the article as well. I'm certainly not going to edit war over it, even if some editors want to, so don't worry about me. Lately, my life circumstances have fostered a certain patience for childishness, that comes in handy when editing at wikipedia. :) Thanks for your kind comments above and hang in there. This too shall pass.  T i a m u t talk 16:42, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Marhaba Tiamut. I saw you make that article, and thought about joining in but thought that it might bring certain jackals to the party. Unfortunately, it looks like you also have a fan club, so I shouldnt have been so concerned. I hope you are well, <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 12:23, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * There's a fan club? Whoopee, I'll have a signed photo, a T shirt, and a pair of novelty carpet slippers if you've got them <font face="Times" color="105570">Prunesqualor <font face="times" color="FF7070">billets_doux  08:17, 11 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I wish you did join in as I miss editing with you. Next time don't hesitate. I am doing very well, though very exhausted having not slept for more than a few hours at a time in more than a year. But given my history of insomnia, i seem to be doing okay with that. Hope you are well. Dir balak a hallak.  T i a m u t talk 16:42, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

That doesn't sound hysterical. The people went to the West Bank to start trouble, that is called being a provocateur. So Israel called a pig a pig. Just like how they call the flotilla people criminals, they are smuggling concrete and expired medical supplies into a place where things undoubtedly end up in the hands of Hamas. These actions are for attention, so "provocateur" and "hooligan" are proper labels, not slurs. Rachel Corrie was a provocateur, too. She was using her "pretty white girl" powers to manipulate the narrative.

Israel is trying to stop more ivory tower "activists" from causing bloody shenanigans in their country. So you tried to increase the media hype of Israel's law enforcement by creating a biased wiki article.

The doublethink is thick with you guys if you think creating biased articles is something to pat each other on the back about. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.160.43.101 (talk) 20:00, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Vituperative commentary rarely peaks my interest these days, but I'm feeling conversational so here goes:


 * 1) Pigs are nice animals, very human (another good reason not to eat them)
 * 2) Rachel Corrie was not a sheep (a huge understatement)
 * As for activists causing bloody shenanigans in their country, people like Corrie and Tom Hurndall never shed blood besides their own ... (cue bleating noise): "I know, I know! They forced Israel to kill them to make it look baaaaaa-d, these are the irrational enemies we face."
 * Have a good evening compadre and please do doublethink.  T i a m u t talk 22:23, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


 * The editor was topic banned from I/P, 4 months on 7 June 2011 (UTC). See Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive92. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> Sean.hoyland  - talk 17:21, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

You deleted my last comment (there is that rejection of opposing views again) but I'll keep this one shorter.

The man who shot Tom Hurndall was put in prison by Israel. I'd like to see that kind of responsibility and accountability from Hamas or the Syrian forces.

The driver of the vehicle that ran over Rachel Corrie was investigated and cleared of wrongdoing. But you guys made her a hero anyway, because facts aren't important.

You ignored all the things I said about the Welcome to Palestine article. I just wanted to help discuss this flytilla, and comment on how you two seemed to be mislabelling Israel's reasonable response to the hooligans who want to sneak in and play Rachel Corrie.Lutrinae (talk) 21:19, 13 July 2011 (UTC)


 * The fact is that both Hurndall and Corrie are dead and they were killed by Israeli soldiers whether found guilty in an Israeli court of law or not. As for the people participating in the Welcome to Palestine campaign, many of them were over the age 65 and openly declared their intention to visit Palestine. That you call them sneaky hooligans playing Rachel Corrie indicates you are less interested in facts and more in, excuse my directness, baseless and provocative propaganda. This is my last reply to you. As much as I've enjoyed this, I simply don't have time for this kind of circular back and forth unrelated to building an encyclopedia. Thanks and take care.  T i a m u t talk 22:24, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

The fact is that both Hurndall and Corrie are dead...? Good thing Israel kept those flytilla protesters out. No more deaths. 141.190.32.9 (talk) 00:56, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

French resource
Hi, In case you aren't aware of it, http://gallica.bnf.fr/ has a huge number of documents, mostly in French. Try searching for "Mamilla" or "Mamillah". Cheers, Zerotalk 22:14, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXIV, June 2011
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Haddocks' Eyes
Hi,

I really hate it when people use my talk page to tell that they sent me email and i apologize for the inconvenience if you hate it, too.

This one is a bit important, though, so if you don't check you inbox regularly, please check it. Thank you. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 15:09, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * i deeply appreciate the invitation, but with regret, shall have to decline. i'm not sure i want Tiamut and my real life identity to be publicly joined in holy matrimony. the latter finds the former to be something of a pompous sell out, and Tiamut enjoys being a goddess born out of the void.
 * you seem like a lovely person. its unfortunate that circumstances won't permit that we sit to share a coffee together and discuss our shared passions (i too play the piano, though its been some time since i've had one in house - its hard to move big things into old cities).
 * so thank you again, and i hope you have fun. when you come to Nazareth, i recommend visiting Cactus, the site of the Ancient Bath House of Nazareth and the Greek Orthodox Church of the Annunciation. there's a good falafel stand in the plaza beside the church, and Sabah wa Masa has a great patio and a not so bad selection of beer and other alcoholic beverages. enjoy, take care, and do let Tiamut see you around sometimes.  T i a m u t talk 16:40, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem! Thank you for the quick reply.
 * If you ever change your mind about that coffee, i'm a phone-call away :) I come to the North quite often.
 * As for seeing me around - I see you around frequently, because i am curious about edit histories of articles on tricky political issues. I rarely edit them myself, though, so that's why you don't see me much. I have opinions, but opinions are not very useful for an encyclopedia. I wish more Israelis would understand that... --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 20:03, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * i hope one day i can change my mind about the coffee and you can start editing articles on tricky political issues more often. those who know their opinions are not useful are valued editors in this topic area. we all have opinions, the key is acknowledging that and trying to keep our beasts in check, even if we sometimes fail. people who write about things they don't care about at all are far and few between, if they exist at all (and do we want them writing articles anyway? wouldn't they be kind of boring and uninspired?)


 * its been a treat Amir. you have been a prince, true to your name. do take care,  T i a m u t talk 20:29, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Nice work
on Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami. Toddst1 (talk) 21:51, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I haven't done much yet actually, but thanks anyway.  T i a m u t talk 22:09, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Book of Auld
Please check your email ;). Zerotalk 11:51, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

WikiCup 2011 July newsletter
We are half way through the penultimate round of this year's WikiCup; there is less than a month to go before we have our final 8. Our pool leaders are (Pool A, 189 points) and  (Pool B, 165 points). The number of points required to reach the next round is not clear at this time; there are some users who still do not have any recorded points. Please remember to update your submissions' pages promptly. In addition, congratulations to PresN, who scored the first featured topic points in the competition for his work on Thatgamecompany related articles. Most points this round generally have, so far, come from good articles, with only one featured article (White-bellied Sea Eagle, from ) and two featured lists (Hugo Award for Best Graphic Story, from PresN and Grammy Award for Best Native American Music Album, from ). Points for Did You Know and good article reviews round out the scoring. No points have been awarded for In the News, good topics or featured pictures this round, and no points for featured sounds or portals have been awarded in the entire competition. On an unrelated note, preparation will be beginning soon for next year's WikiCup- watch this space!

There is little else to be said beyond the usual. Please list anything you need reviewing on WikiCup/Reviews, so others following the WikiCup can help, and please do help if you can by providing reviews for the articles listed there. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews generally at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup- points are, of course, offered for reviews at GAC. Two final notes: Firstly, please remember to state your participation in the WikiCup when nominating articles at FAC. Finally, some WikiCup-related statistics can be seen here and here. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn and The ed17 11:46, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Re. your kind offer
Hi Tiamut – sorry I didn't get back to you on your kind offer. Things got temporarily side-tracked by the 1963 v 1995 editions business. I have now made some suggestions for edits here, They are positioned under the various bullet marked, sentence by sentence, comments near the top of that section (if you can find them among all the other stuff). If other editors don't act on these suggestions, or make no further comment, over the next few days (3,4,5?) then, I may need to take you up on your offer (assuming of course the offer is still open and that you completely approve of the suggested edits). Having said all of that, There are some (how shall I phrase this) extremely aggressive editors at work on that page, so I would quite understand if you wished to steer clear. All the best <font face="Times" color="105570">Prunesqualor <font face="times" color="FF7070">billets_doux  22:18, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * PS all of the relevant suggestions begin "@George" (because he has taken an interest and seems open to reason, however I cannot take for granted that he will have the spare time to perform the edits). Cheers <font face="Times" color="105570">Prunesqualor <font face="times" color="FF7070">billets_doux  22:30, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi –Just to let you know - I put a couple of minor suggested tweaks on the talk page here – also to thank you for your work. What a massive improvement you have made to that section. All the best <font face="Times" color="105570">Prunesqualor <font face="times" color="FF7070">billets_doux  19:07, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem. I didn't do much. I hope you can get back to editing soon, so that you can make the changes you'd like to see made directly. I also hope your research and analysis of sources is still as thorough when that time comes so that you make informed edits, like the ones I was able to make as a result of your leg work. Take care,  T i a m u t talk 19:14, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Quick work (Saturday night is clearly not party night at the Tiamut household). Thanks again <font face="Times" color="105570">Prunesqualor <font face="times" color="FF7070">billets_doux  19:18, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I've been about ninety years old since birth.  T i a m u t talk 19:22, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * And you don't even get the free bus pass? Life's not fair (I expect you don't get the smokers coughs and hangovers I get though) <font face="Times" color="105570">Prunesqualor <font face="times" color="FF7070">billets_doux  20:24, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * PS There is still much that strikes me as objectionable in that article. Hopefully one day we will have articles which are not driven by the hatred or fear of Muslims, Jews, Christians or of any other gang/tribe (including agnostics such as myself). <font face="Times" color="105570">Prunesqualor <font face="times" color="FF7070">billets_doux  02:11, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * PPS _ The Beatles may have been a bunch of drug addled chumps, but I would still stand by "love is the answer" along with " Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" as important guides.
 * I love to smoke, though I have cut down significantly. The only drink I enjoy from time to time is red wine or nice cool Taybeh beer (I think its because of their ad in Ramallah: "Drink Palestinian. Taste the Revolution"). Anyway, I share your hopes, but its a remote possibility given the unbridled antagonisms of certain editors who are allowed to run amok here.  T i a m u t talk 07:55, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * "(I expect you don't get the smokers coughs and hangovers I get though)" mmm... I didn't know you were such a lush, PS. I might have to view your edits more favorably. I completely disagree with the edit regarding "it" but Tiamut's change based on PSs requests is better than I thought it was going to be. I won;t be fiddling too much (if at all) since it reads alright. I still don't like either of you (along with the POV, battling, meating, and so on) but it was a decent edit and felt like giving credit where it was due. Cptnono (talk) 03:38, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes well considering your expressed views on Arabs and Palestinians, I find your disliking me (or others who like said groups) to be wholly unsurprising.  T i a m u t talk 07:57, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you know, I think Cptnono may be mellowing a bit with old age. Apart from the "I still don't like either of you" bit, that was quite a graceful response. PS I looked on the Taybeh beer web site, Quit an inspiring story. I'd love to try some one day, but travelling to Palestine for a good pint may be a bit OTT. <font face="Times" color="105570">Prunesqualor <font face="times" color="FF7070">billets_doux  10:48, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Middle Eastern conflicts
You are a recent contributor on discussion of List of conflicts in the Middle East / List of modern conflicts in the Middle East. Due to recent changes in the structure of those articles, i would like you to contribute to the renewed discussion on the structure of those article here Talk:List of conflicts in the Middle East.Greyshark09 (talk) 18:38, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Al-Sinnabra
An article that you have been involved in editing, Al-Sinnabra, has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Sreifa (talk) 05:08, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXV, July 2011
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WikiCup 2011 July newsletter
The finals are upon us; we're down to the last few. One of the eight remaining contestants will be this year's WikiCup champion! 150 was the score needed to progress to the final; just under double the 76 required to reach round 4, and more than triple the 41 required to reach round 3. Our eight finalists are:


 * , Pool A's winner. Casliber has the highest total score in the competition, with 1528, the bulk of which is made up of 8 featured articles. He has the highest number of total featured articles (8, 1 of which was eligible for double points) and total did you knows (72) of any finalist. Casliber writes mostly on biology, including ornithology, botany and mycology.
 * , Pool B's winner and the highest scorer this round. PresN is the only finalist who has scored featured topic points, and he has gathered an impressive 330, but most of his points come from his 4 featured articles, one of which scored double. PresN writes mostly on video games and the Hugo Awards.
 * , Pool A's runner-up. Hurricanehink's points are mostly from his 30 good articles, more than any other finalist, and he is also the only finalist to score good topic points. Hurricanehink, as his name suggests, writes mostly on meteorology.
 * , Pool B's runner-up. Wizardman has completed 86 good article reviews, more than any other finalist, but most of his points come from his 2 featured articles. Wizardman writes mostly on American sport, especially baseball.
 * , the "fastest loser" (Pool A). Miyagawa has written 3 featured lists, one of which was awarded double points, more than any other finalist, but he was awarded points mostly for his 68 did you knows. Miyagawa writes on a variety of topics, including dogs, military history and sport.
 * , the second "fastest loser" (Pool B). Most of Resolute's points come from his 9 good articles. He writes mostly on Canadian topics, including ice hockey.
 * , who was joint third "fastest loser" (Pool A). Most of Evan's points come from his 10 good articles, and he writes mostly on meteorology.
 * , who was joint third "fastest loser" (Pool B). Most of Phil's points come from his 9 good articles, 4 of which (more than any other finalist) were eligible for double points. He writes mostly on aeronautics.

We say goodbye to our seven other semi-finalists,, , , , , and. Everyone still in the competition at this stage has done fantastically well, and contributed greatly to Wikipedia. We're on the home straight now, and we will know our winner in two months.

In other news, preparations for next year's competition have begun with a brainstorming thread. Please, feel free to drop by and share any thoughts you have about how the competition should work next year. Sign ups are not yet open, but will be opened in due course. Watch this space. Further, there has been a discussion about the rule whereby those in the WikiCup must delcare their participation when nominating articles at featured article candidates. This has resulted in a bot being created by new featured article delegate. The bot will leave a message on FAC pages if the nominator is a participant in the WikiCup.

A reminder of the rules: any points scored after August 29 may be claimed for the final round, and please remember to update submission pages promptly. If you are concerned that your nomination, be it at good article candidates, a featured process or anywhere else, will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn and The ed17 00:15, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Mystery
Please solve this mystery if you can...

On September 23rd, traffic to Portal:James Bond doubled, and has stayed at the new level since then. I can't figure out what happened.

See http://stats.grok.se/en/201109/Portal%3AJames_Bond

Traffic to Outline of James Bond stayed the same (though it was at the higher-level already), which leads me to suspect changes made somewhere in Wikipedia.

See http://stats.grok.se/en/201109/Outline%20of%20James_Bond

I'd like to find out what happened, in case it reveals helpful link placement tips that can double the traffic to outlines too!

I look forward to your reply. The Transhumanist 22:38, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

''P.S.: Tiamut, I've forgotten which is your favorite outline. Please let me know.''


 * I'm sorry Transhumanist ... I have too little time to devote to Wikipedia these days to be of any help to you. My favourite outline was Outline of Palestine, until it was renamed Outline of the Palestinian territories, which was a massive rescope of the article, basically amounting to deletion of a notable topic. I haven't touched that Outline since, nor any others, I'm afraid to say. Anyway, happy editing and keep up the great work.  T i a m u t talk 21:04, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Merge of Amka and Amqa
There is a currently ongoing merger proposal discussion regarding merging of Amqa article into the previously created article of Amka. According to sources and geographic location we are speaking of different prenounsation of the same place name Amka/Amqa/Amca, the same as Acre/Acco/Akko and Tiberias/Tabariya/Tveriya. As done with other towns/cities, all time periods are listed in one article.

The Bugle: Issue LXVI, August 2011
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Renaming of List of conflicts in the Middle East
Please share your opinion on renaming "List of conflicts in the Middle East" into "List of conflicts in the Near East" in the discussion. The renaming is proposed in order to cover the pre-1918 period (when the Middle East had generally been related as the Near East), and delete post-1918 conflicts while leaving wikilink to List of modern conflicts in the Middle East). This is in order to avoid doubling of information between post-1918 section in the "List of conflicts in the Middle East" and List of modern conflicts in the Middle East article. Thank you.Greyshark09 (talk) 20:09, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

WikiCup 2011 September newsletter
We are on this year's home straight, with less than a month to go until the winner of the 2011 WikiCup will be decided. The fight for first place is currently being contested by, and , all of whom have over 200 points. This round has already seen multiple featured articles (1991 Atlantic hurricane season from Hurricanehink and Northrop YF-23 from Sp33dyphil) and a double-scoring featured list (Miyagawa's 1948 Summer Olympics medal table). The scores will likely increase far further before the end of the round on October 31 as everyone ups their pace. There is not much more to say- thoughts about next year's competition are welcome on the WikiCup talk page or the scoring talk page, and signups will open once a few things have been sorted out.

If you are concerned that your nomination, be it at good article candidates, a featured process or anywhere else, will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn and The ed17 12:55, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Please help fill in annotations at Portal:Contents/Outlines
Please go to Portal:Contents/Outlines' and fill in as many missing annotations as you can, even if it's only one or two. Every little bit helps!

The annotating of the entries on Portal:Contents/Outlines is nearing completion.

Annotated entries look like this:


 * Basketball – team sport in which two teams of five players try to score points by throwing or "shooting" a ball through the top of a basketball hoop while following a set of rules.
 * Canoeing and kayaking – two closely related forms of watercraft paddling, involving manually propelling and navigating specialized boats called canoes and kayaks using a blade that is joined to a shaft, known as a paddle, in the water.
 * Cricket – bat-and-ball team sport, the most popular form played on an oval-shaped outdoor arena known as a cricket field at the centre of which is a rectangular 22-yard (20.12 m) long pitch that is the focus of the game.
 * Martial arts – extensive systems of codified practices and traditions of combat, practiced for a variety of reasons, including self-defense, competition, physical health and fitness, as well as mental and spiritual development.

Entries needing annotations look like this:


 * Industry – 
 * Construction –
 * Architecture –
 * Machines –
 * Industrial machinery –
 * Robotics –
 * Mining –

Even if all you can do is one or two, the support will be greatly felt. Many hands make light work.

Thank you. The Transhumanist 00:30, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

كيفك أختي؟
I hope all is well. Nice to see you around. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 16:14, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * ditto akhoui. nahna tammam, il hamdulillah. hope you are being good to yourself.  T i a m u t talk 16:57, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I would like to second that. I don't think we have ever really been involved editing that many of the same articles, but I have watched your page as we seem to get the same vandalism from the same vandal. I hope the olives are turning about better up north than down here. Salamaat! -asad (talk) 23:21, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * hey Asad ... seen your comments and edits here and there and sad i don't have as much time as i used to to add my two cents. wish i knew how the olives were this year. all my husband's family's lands were either expropriated by the government or sold by an elder brother of his father to cover bad debts. I'll ask some friends the next time I see them and let you know. at least there's a high possibility next year will be good if this one wasn't. at least that's what i've been told before. salamaat. T i a m u t talk 16:57, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Government expropriation? Like an imminent domain sort of thing? Either way, that's a shame. I purchased a dunum of land two years ago in my wife's name, as I don't have a Palestinian ID number. My father left Anabta in 1984 and never registered his ID number when the Sulta came around, therefore I never got a Palestinian ID. I've been waiting two years now for my Hawiya number (being eligible from my wife) with no progress so far. I am guessing I'm going to be waiting a long time. Until it comes around, I will try to use my time visiting family in Al-Quds and Haifa before I become banned from doing so. In the meantime, if you are ever in the area, you are always welcome to come to Anabta and tokeli zeit jedeed m3 zaatar! Ahlo sahla. Take care. -asad (talk) 19:45, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure which legislation was used to justify the expropriation ... I do know a mini-mall and a government building are on parts on what use to be their land. Its hard to ask my father-in-law the details as he's quite understandably still pissed about it, to put it mildly. We are saving up to buy a dunum somewhere ... to plant some trees, raise some chickens, a donkey, a goat .... that's my dream. It will have to be in an existing Arab village (generally speaking Jews cant't or wont't sell to Arabs) and land is scarce and so pretty expensive, but I never give up hope.
 * Sorry to hear about your identity card limbo ... know quite a few people in that situation and its tough on them ... i hope it gets settled soon. If we are ever in the Anabta area, dont be surprised if I do let you know to get the zeit and zaatar ready ... its among my favourite things to eat. Of course if you plan on coming to Nazareth, do drop us a line. I make a mean fattoush. Cheers.  T i a m u t talk 20:13, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Al Jalama, Tulkarm
Tiamut dear: long time not see! I know you are pressed for time, but any help on Al Jalama, Tulkarm (which already checks out ok according to my DYK-check).. would be greatly appreciated, Cheers, Huldra (talk) 16:14, 23 October 2011 (UTC)


 * yes too long dear huldra. i will take a look now and see if i can be of any use.  T i a m u t talk 16:59, 25 October 2011 (UTC)


 * dear Tiamut: could you please email me? cheers, Huldra (talk) 01:16, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXVII, September 2011
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WikiCup 2011 October newsletter
The 2011 WikiCup is now over, and our new champion is, who joins the exclusive club of the previous winners: (2007),  (2008),  (2009) and  (2010). The final standings were as follows:



Prizes for first, second, third and fourth will be awarded, as will prizes for all those who reached the final eight. Every participant who scored in the competition will receive a ribbon of participation. In addition to the prizes based on placement, the following special prizes will be awarded based on high performance in particular areas of content creation. So that the finalists do not have an undue advantage, the prize is awarded to the competitor who scored the highest in any particular field in a single round.


 * The Featured Article Award:, for his performance in round 2. matched the score, but Casliber won the tiebreaker.
 * The Good Article Award:, for his performance in round 4.
 * The Featured List Award:, for his performance in round 4. matched the score, but Miyagawa won the tiebreaker.
 * The Recognised Topic Award (for good and featured topics):, for his performance in round 3.
 * The Did You Know Award:, for his performance in round 1.
 * The In the News Award:, for his performance in round 1.
 * The Reviewer Award (for good article reviews):, for his performance in round 3.

No prize was awarded for featured pictures, sounds or portals, as none were claimed throughout the competition. The awards will be handed out over the next few days. Congratulations to all our participants, and especially our winners; we've all had fun, and Wikipedia has benefitted massively from our content work.

Preparation for next year's WikiCup is ongoing. Interested parties are invited to sign up and participate in our straw polls. It's been a pleasure to work with you all this year, and, whoever's taking part in and running the competition in 2012, we hope to see you all in January! J Milburn and The ed17 00:51, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Shimron = Semunieh
Hi, When you get a chance please check Guerin, Galilee I, 384–386 for anything to go into Shimron. The location is correct. This village was gone by 1922 and I didn't find what happened to it. Sursock sale maybe? Zerotalk 12:58, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Arab citizens of Israel
Hello Tiamut. I clicked through to this article today and was mildly surprised to see the term "Israeli Arabs" was missing from the introduction. Whilst I understand that some people do not identify with the phrase, it is by far the most common phrase used in English to describe such people and really should be in the lede. I readded it, but after checking the history I see that you are the one who has removed it in the past, referring to a discussion in Archive 6. However, the conclusion to the discussion appears to be that you were actually happy to add it to the lede, alongside some other description. Can I ask that rather than revert my edit once you see it, that you add whatever else you feel is appropriate (although I think the "commonly known in English as Israeli Arabs" should remain intact as it is indeed the most common phrase). Thanks, Number   5  7  15:34, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I see you have simply reverted rather than insert a phrase of your choice. Can I ask why you did not insert the phrase of your choice? Number   5  7  11:44, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry Number 57. I didn't see your messages above until just now.
 * I didn't add another name because there was no agreement on what to add and only one person had indicated that he was okay with that arrangement previously. If you would like to reopen discussion about this issue, could you do so on the talk page and link back to archive 6? I don't have a lot of time right now, but would be happy to participate in any such discussion to see what kind of consensus there is for including other names and what they should be (as you know, there are many to choose from, which is why my preference was to leave out any alternate terms and have them discussed in the terminology section instead. That's an MoS recomendation when faces with many terms for the same thing). Anyway, again, my apologies, but I do think we should have a wide discussion before tampering with this highly contentious issue in the lead.  T i a m u t talk 15:55, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Al Jalama, Tulkarm
Materialscientist (talk) 12:02, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Mail
Nice to see you around, too! I send you a mail a few days ago, did you get it, or shall I resend it? Oh, and Sha'ab, Israel could do with some "ironing" out, if you have time... Cheers, Huldra (talk) 15:34, 17 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey ... sorry, I'm scattered. Was out of town for a few days and had a bit of a flu too. I'll check it tonight.  T i a m u t talk 16:06, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

John of Damascus
Hi, Can you please use the talk page to elaborate on which parts you don't agree with? Which "strange conclusion" was not made by the source?-- <font color="#4B088A">R <font color="#5F04B4">a <font color="#8000FF">f <font color="#BE81F7">y  talk 17:48, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXVIII, October 2011
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Would you say this translation is correct?
. I put it up months ago, but I am doubting myself as my Arabic reading skills are pretty sub-par. -asad (talk) 18:13, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * ضميري مرتاح should be My conscience is clear, و أنت؟ should be, in this context, And yours?. هذا المكان نظيف من منتجات الاستيطان should be This place [not house] is free [or clear] of products from settlements [or settlement products] <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 19:13, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I guess I was pretty off. I will change it shortly. Thanks though. -asad (talk) 20:39, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

I guess I would translate 'dameeri mertah' more along the lines of 'my conscience is clear' ... glad to see Nableezy agrees, I wasn't sure.  T i a m u t talk 20:47, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Burbara
Hi! Hope you are well. Good to see you're still active here! I was looking at the Eid_il-Burbara article, and there is not a single source about it... The article draws parallels with Halloween... I've lived most of my life as a child in Palestine, and we would make burbara (the porridge), but never in my life have I heard of trick or treating and jack-o-lanterns on Burbara! I guess that might be a Lebanese thing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9HIrFLvFDU). In any case, happy Eid Burbara to you. --Fjmustak (talk) 03:18, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Photos of Palestine and the Middle East in the public domain
Hi, I just discovered all these photos: http://www.loc.gov/rr/print/coll/629_whiting.html are in the public domain even though many are from after 1923 (they were donated to the US gov), they're quite interesting, don't know if you know of them already. If you find some nice ones that you want uploaded in high resolution, feel free to notify me. FunkMonk (talk) 11:07, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Nazareth
Hi Tiamut. I think your last edit to Nazareth may have broken 1RR. Please consider self-reverting or it may be reported to WP:ANEW. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 19:29, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks Malik Shabazz. I suspected it might be a 1RR violation after I saw my previous edit undoing Gilabrand's section creation in the article history. Was just going to undo it when I saw your note. Still, I'm pretty peeved that our article now contains a sentence not supported by the sources it cites and out of whack with the article's content, which explains some things that are problematic with that description. Oh well. Patience is a virtue?  T i a m u t talk 19:38, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It is ridiculous that a serially disruptive and tendentious user is allowed to hound a users contributions in order to make a mindless revert and claim that reliable sources are necessary for the statement when there are already 2 reliable sources cited in the line, and then to claim on the talk page that their unsourced claim is the only thing that counts. Patience is over-rated, there has to be another way to deal with such bullshit. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 19:46, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * You're right. But what?  T i a m u t talk 19:48, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Going to AE, even if it involves the falsification of source content by another editor, results in you being threatened with a ban for being frank about what's happening.  T i a m u t talk 19:53, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks Tiamut. I hate to see a well-meaning editor get blocked. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 19:57, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * it happens all the time though, doesn't it?  T i a m u t talk 10:09, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * That user has made some truly outrageous attacks, so if he or she does not retract them I will go to AE anyway, consequences be damned. Adding the mindless revert of well-sourced material to insert material that is not supported by the cited sources just tops it off. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 20:05, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * ITo me, its clear there is some sockpuppetry and meatpuppetry involved. Perhaps an SPI case would be a better use of time? AE drags on and on and even when there are clear violations, no one gets sanctioned alone ... there is this kind of tit for tat thing going on, so that one from each side has to be sanctioned, even when there is little justification for it, besides the appearance of neutrality. Its just as likely that you or I will be sanctioned for technical violations of 1RR or incivility, while those falsifying or ignoring sources and working as sock or meatpuppets won't really care about being abnned anyway because they can just come back as a new sock. If you have any evidence suitable for SPI, I suggest you go there first.  T i a m u t talk 10:09, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Khalidi
I'm under a selfban on making in-article edits, which I forget sometimes, like today, but when I remember (Alzheimer's), I stop touching articles till early January. Re the edit on Khalidi pp.178ff., I think it important to note in the article that the nakba occasioned the loss of the cities with the largest Arab populations, Haifa and Jaffa, which were also 'the most dynamic centers of Arab economic and cultural life' (p.178) Economic impacts (the deindustrialization of urban populations) is often underestimated in the analyses of what then ensued. CheersNishidani (talk) 19:48, 15 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Funny ... its on my list of things to do ... though I was thinking to add the information to the article on Nazareth as it was the only Palestinian city of sixteen that remained largely intact, even tripling in size as a result of its absorption of refugees. I had come across some good sources in my reading over the last few days. I'll see if I can find them again and add something to Palestinian people (since as you know, Nazareth is protected for now because its difficult for some people to acknowledge the history and identity of its people).  T i a m u t talk 20:00, 15 December 2011 (UTC)


 * By the way, could you take a look at John of Damascus? There are discussions ongoing there that could benefit from your attention. I'm particularly interested in your interpretation of Louth and Sahas' work. My English has gone to shit and there is some oblique language in both that could use another set of eyes with a mind behind them.  T i a m u t talk 20:32, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, my English idem, too many decades never speaking it. Will bookmark and examine in duke horse.Nishidani (talk) 21:59, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Palestinian Infobox
Hey Tiamut, I was wondering if you could help me fulfill my additions onto the Palestinian Infobox, I have created a new section in the discussion on the Palestinian people page because I am not sure how to upload the files and modify the image on the page correctly, would you mind assisting me in this matter? :) Lazyfoxx (talk) 02:15, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes I personally believe I believe the more the merrier. It's an improvement because it shows more notable individuals, and also gives people a better feel for who Palestinians are, like other peoples pages, i.e. (Lebanese, Italian, Irish, German, etc.) and many of my family members and friends believe it's better as well. I'm personally of Palestinian/Lebanese descent by the way, I wasn't sure if you were or not? Lazyfoxx (talk) 07:46, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I am a Jordanian! and we can help very much on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamussy (talk • contribs) 05:28, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Muhammad al-Durrah
Dear Tiamut,

Here to begin with. Please check-spell and edit freely in the page as the project progresses, if you have time of course.

Best, - <font face="sans-serif">TwoHorned User_talk:TwoHorned 23:04, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Jebus
Can't edit yet, but, re Jebus at Jerusalem. See The Book of Judges, chapter 19 where it is called 'the city of the stranger'. One tradition in that book has it that the city was sacked and put to the sword, just after the mythical times of Joshua, whereas other traditions, usually the only ones mentioned, say David first conquered it. Both versions are of course legendary. But I think it important to register the tradition of its putative earlier sacking and the fact that it was considered a place not to enter, worth registering in the history section. We spent Christmas listening to classical music broadcast from Bethlehem. Not quite Barenboim, but given the acoustic problems, still highly accomplished. Cheers Nishidani (talk) 18:04, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue LXIX, November 2011
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 * Outline of the United Nations

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2012 WikiCup
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Military Historian of the Year
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Maybe you read better...
From the Science Now article    "The results match historical accounts that Moslem Arabs are descended from Christians and Jews who lived in the southern Levant, a region that includes Israel and the Sinai. They were descendants of a core population that lived in the area since prehistoric times."

Is the second sentence built on historical accounts, genetic analysis, or both? Maybe you have the better grammar. I don't think it is clear. I don't know!

But I think "the descendants of a core pop." is not what scientists say. I am not a scientist. But my friend, he is civil engineer with me at our work, he says that scientists don't say "muddy" statements like that.Jamussy (talk) 04:15, 23 January 2012 (UTC)


 * The study itself supports the conclusion stated in the article on the study. one of the markers found in the populations tested was dated back tens of thousands of years to the Levant. I don't see anything unclear anyway in the sentences you cited above. If the reference was to historical accounts, that would have been made explicit.  T i a m u t talk 16:04, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Its not unclear to you maybe because you see what you want to see? What is explicit in the second sentence? Is it clearly the study, the record, or both? In Wikipedia we should not interpet, this is called original research. In the future, maybe I can help you, since it is hard for us Arab speakers to catch subtlty in written English. Jamussy (talk) 04:15, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * No, its not unclear because its not unclear. There is no ambiguity in the text except for what you are reading into it. As I said, the original study being discussed supports that conclusion as well.
 * As for your offer of help, I don't need it from you ... you remind me of another editor here who pretended to be an Arab with poor English and turned out to be a sockpuppet who was faking that identity. So please stay away from me and my edits ( which they also showed a great interest in, as do you). Thank you,  T i a m u t talk 08:25, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Hello
hellow how are it's really nice to find someone from Nazareth here i'm from Nazareth too nice to meet you.Jobas (talk) 13:28, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for responding :) ... yes maybe we know one another who know :)? ... i understant that, sure we want to keep our privacy, and since i saw your editing -i understand why :p- it's really nice that you try to write the truth about palestinian keep it it's very good work. nice to konw you and have a nice day, salamat.Jobas (talk) 14:04, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

WikiCup 2012 January newsletter
WikiCup 2012 is off to a flying start. At the time of writing, we have 112 contestants; comparable to last year, but slightly fewer than 2010. Signups will remain open for another week, after which time they will be closed for this year. Our currrent far-away leader is, due mostly to his work on a slew of good articles about The X-Files; there remain many such articles waiting to be reviewed at good article candidates. Second place is currently held by, whose points come mostly from good articles about television episodes, although good article reviews, did you knows and an article about a baroness round out the score. In third place is, who has scored 200 points for his work on a single featured article, as well as points for work on others, mostly in the area of pop music. In all, nine users have 100 or more points. However, at the other end of the scale, there are still dozens of participants who are yet to score. Please remember to update your submission pages promptly!

The 64 highest scoring participants will advance to round 2 in a month's time. There, they will be split into eight random groups of eight. The score needed to reach the next round is not at all clear; last year, 8 points guaranteed a place. The year before, 20.

A few participants and their work warrant a mention for achieving "firsts" in this competition.
 * was the first to score, with his good article review of Illinois v. McArthur.
 * was also the first to score points for an article, thanks to his work on Hurricane Debby (1982)- now a good article. Tropical storms have featured heavily in the Cup, and good articles currently have a relatively fast turnaround time for reviews.
 * was the first to score points for a did you know, with Russian submarine K-114 Tula. Military history is another subject which has seen a lot of Cup activity.
 * is also the first person to successfully claim bonus points. Terminator 2: Judgment Day is now a good article, and was eligible for bonus points because the subject was covered on more than 20 other Wikipedias at the start of the competition. It is fantastic to see bonus points being claimed so early!
 * was the first to score points for an In the News entry, with Paedophryne amauensis. The lead image from the article was also used on the main page for a time, and it's certainly eye-catching!
 * was the first to score points for a featured article, and is, at the moment, the only competitor to claim for one. The article, "Halo" (Beyoncé Knowles song), was also worth double points because of its wide coverage. While this is an article that Jivesh and others have worked on for some time, it is undeniable that he has put considerable work into it this year, pushing it over the edge.

We are yet to see any featured lists, featured topics or good topics, but this is unsurprising; firstly, the nomination processes with each of these can take some time, and, secondly, it can take a considerable amount of time to work content to this level. In a similar vein, we have seen only one featured article. The requirement that content must have been worked on this year to be eligible means that we did not expect to see these at the start of the competition. No points have been claimed for featured portals or pictures, but these are not content types which are often claimed; the former has never made a big impact on the WikiCup, while the latter has not done so since 2009's competition.

A quick rules clarification before the regular notices: If you are concerned that another user is claiming points inappropriately, please contact a judge to take a look at the article. Competitors policing one another can create a bad atmosphere, and may lead to inconsistencies and mistakes. Rest assured that we, the judges, are making an effort to check submissions, but it is possible that we will miss something. On a loosely related note: If you are concerned that your nomination, be it at good article candidates, a featured process or anywhere else, will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn and The ed17 00:20, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Syria, 1949 Coup
I appreciate your comments on the talk page. Although it is difficult, I am trying to assume that the anglo-centric bias is not intentional on their part..yet the reasons keep changing for why not to include, and, more to the point, short (and highly documented) references which would be 'clearly relevant' if KBG was behind it, suddenly become "not important" if it's Washington. Feel free to wikipedia-anon-message me or email me..but I hope the Talk page is constructive, in the end. As I said, I'm not very familiar with the wikipedia boards, variosu forums, which one(s) to go to, if needed (if going there be avoided by compromise, it's probably better) Harel (talk) 21:48, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Palestinians DRN thread
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Hello
Always nice to see you here Tiamut. I hope you're well! ;) Yazan (talk) 07:37, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Yazan. I hope you are doing well too. My heart is aching for Homs (my teta's hometown) and all of Syria right now, but I know its people are amongst the most politically, historically and culturaly aware and I have hope they will manage to pull through this crisis, no matter what the differences of opinion on the path forward.
 * By the way, your interventions at the Syria uprising page are very illuminating and I wish you would spend more time keeping an eye pn that page as its kind of being run over by dogmatic editing. A couple of editors who know Wiki and the subject and don't have a bone to pick would do wonders to improving its quality. That is, if you have the patience and time. I don't have much, but I try to do what I can here and there.
 * Salamat sadiqi  T i a m u t talk 17:09, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Salamat ya Tiamut,
 * Homs happens to be my father's town as well, and it's heartbreaking to see that city in ruins. The human loss is staggering, but the disintegration of the state (an already ailing and rotten one for that) and social structure of the country will be the legacy that'll really stick. Add to that the amount of unmitigated imbeciles (aka politicians). It's fascinating, opposition politicians are the biggest enemy of this uprising, and their terrible influence is only mitigated by the sheer brutality and idiocy of those criminals-in-chief in Damascus. The joke on the street is that we need to start a Local Coordination Committee for the Presidential Palace. But it isn't really idiocy, what they're doing is the only thing they know how to do, they're fighting for their raison d'etre; except, it's a war they can't win, but they can make all of us pay a hefty fee for losing.
 * I can't edit the uprising article, unfortunately. I try to weigh in on the discussions every once in a while. But I'm already exhausted and drained by what's happening IRL and I don't think the Wikipedia page is consequential at the moment. Add to that my POV, which is not neutral nor (I suspect) encyclopedic, nor helpful (being mixed with all the emotional baggage) at the moment. I'd rather write about the history we weren't allowed to study or read, so that maybe we can all learn from it once this is over.
 * At any rate, do know that you're always in our thoughts. In the midst of all this, I still feel guilty if I don't tweet something about Palestine everyday. Filasteen will always be our hearts' weak spot, and might just be about the only thing we all agree on as a people, before Baath, and after Ikhwan. Lots of good waves from your friends up north ;)
 * Salamat Yazan (talk) 10:22, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Syria will always be our mother. Its easy for us to be reactionary when faced with the fear of what happened to Iraq and now Libya. It has made some prefer the regime (the devil you know) to the ones opposing it. But i know Syrians deserve better. I just hope an alternative to both the Baath and Ilhwan can be built before the latter collapses.  T i a m u t talk 07:42, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not naive enough to be optimistic. But I'm smart enough to know that the status-quo was well beyond its expiry time (for the whole region, and Palestine at the very top). Here's a verse] that never fails to cheer me up, perhaps it'll cheer you up as well:
 * المجد للشيطان .. معبود الرياح
 * من قال " لا " في وجه من قالوا " نعم "
 * من علّم الإنسان تمزيق العدم
 * من قال " لا " .. فلم يمت ,
 * وظلّ روحا أبديّة الألم !
 * Be safe and well, Tiamut. Yazan (talk) 08:57, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Vote on Syrian Talk page
I set up a vote on whether to include alqaeda in the infobox.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2011–2012_Syrian_uprising Sopher99 (talk) 20:32, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Khader Adnan
There is a discusion on a dispute from that page that you were involved in. Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement

A/E
An IP has taken you to A/E. You might want to see here.

The Bugle: Issue LXXI, February 2012
The Bugle is published by the Military history WikiProject. To receive it on your talk page, please join the project or sign up here. If you are a project member who does not want delivery, please remove your name from this page. Your editors, Ian Rose (talk) and Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 10:36, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Nasseriya
I'm not going to do anything more regarding Nasseriya — simply because the user was already unblocked by Beeblebrox. I fully agree both with B's actions and B's opinion of the situation: because the basis for blocking was an ArbCom ruling that excepted reverts of IPs (please note that I wasn't aware of that exception), the unblock was appropriate. As well, because IPs are supposed to be held to the same standards as registered users, Beeblebrox is quite right in saying the following: "It is directly contrary to the very idea of allowing IP users that their edits automatically have less value, and they should not be reverted just because they are IP users, ever, on any article." Nyttend (talk) 06:08, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Re:Shalabi
Just started the basic draft. Feel free to expand and make any changes. --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:24, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

WikiCup 2012 February newsletter
Round 1 is already over! The 64 highest scorers have progressed to round 2. Our highest scorer was, again thanks mostly to a swathe of good articles on The X-Files. In second place was, thanks an impressive list of did you knows about racehorses. Both scored over 400 points. Following behind with over 300 points were, , and. February also saw the competition's first featured list: List of colleges and universities in North Dakota, from. At the other end of the scale, 11 points was enough to secure a place in this round, and some contestants with 10 points made it into the round on a tiebreaker. This is higher than the 8 points that were needed last year, but lower than the 20 points required the year before. The number of points required to progress to round 3 will be significantly higher.

The remaining contestants have been split into 8 pools of 8, named A through H. Round two will finish in two months time on 28 April, when the two highest scorers in each pool, as well as the next 16 highest scorers, will progress to round 3. The pools were entirely random, so while some pools may end up being more competitive than others, this is by chance rather than design.

The judges would like to point out two quick rules reminders. First, any content promoted during the interim period (that is, on or after 27 February) is eligible for points in round 2. Second, any content worked on significantly this year is eligible for points if promoted in this round. On a related note, if you are concerned that your nomination, be it at good article candidates, a featured process or anywhere else, will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which would otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk &bull; email) and The ed17 (talk &bull; email) 00:09, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Arab citizens of Israel
Hi Tiamut. Your last edits to this article added footnotes named "Torstrick" and "Torstrickp17" (notes 71 and 72), but they are generating error messages because those names aren't defined anywhere in the article. Could you fix that oversight? Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 20:06, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Re edit conflict
Actually, that cite from 1920 is rather crucial, if you take into consideration the huge contamination from 19th century racist concepts that flows into varieties of national discourse. Identity is not 'ethnic', a euphemism for race. What Shlomo Sands recounts of his five emblematic Jews and their origins goes for Palestinians, and one should absolutely avoid being sucked into the nation=single ethnos, purity of blood-and-soil rhetoric, with its German roots, that flourishes over the border. We all know where that leads. Nishidani (talk) 21:47, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I hear you Nish, I just didn't think that needed to be in the lead. It more properly belongs in the body I think, as the Dowty source says the same hing though in vastly more generalized terms. Always been proud of Palestine's plualistic polyglot heritage myself.  T i a m u t talk 22:16, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Death march
Hi Tiamut. Please remain civil, even in the face of baiting. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 16:18, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry Malik, I'm admittedly having a tough time controlling my tongue. I'm trying to let him have the last snippy word ... didn't respond at Talk:List of Palestinians to his last comment and struck out stuff I said that didn't belong there (he deleted my comment twice in less than 24 hours there, perhaps someone might point out WP:TALK and WP:1RR to him)? I've posted at WP:NPOVN regarding his problem with the text at Death march because we are edit warring now and have made no progress in our discussion. Not much else I can do. Wish Nableezy was here ... I'm pretty sure he is a sock, though perhaps not of a currently banned user, but one seeking a clean start and going about it by returning to harassing me and others who don't share his POV. I men, look at his contribs ... he's basically stalking me to different wholly unrelated articles. Whatever ...  T i a m u t talk 16:35, 4 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I know. Beside his POV-pushing, he's being very nasty and I think he'll get himself blocked soon on that basis.
 * For what it's worth, he stopped mentioning Morris on the Talk page because he was misquoting him. On page 257, the page following the one the IP cited, Morris specifically says "In the third and fourth stages of the exodus, in July and October-November 1948, about three hundred thousand more Arabs became refugees, including the sixty thousand inhabitants of Lydda and Ramle who were expelled by IDF troops." — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 16:55, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Both Ledenierhomme and Sockpuppet investigations/Lutrinae/Archive have been active on that article via IPs in the past. They are both nasty. If I had to guess though, Lutrinae is more likely. Not looking at sources properly is a defining characteristic of Lutrinae, as is stalking Tiamut, not indenting comments properly and generally being incompetent, dishonest and vindictive. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> Sean.hoyland  - talk 17:14, 4 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Could be ... or it could be a user who retired around the time his account was registered. They seem to have similar editing interests outside this topic area. Or it could be someone else, like NoCal100. I'm not good at figuring these things out.  T i a m u t talk 17:57, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Ichthus: January 2012
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Palestinian Support
Hi Tiamut, how have you been? :)

I just want to thank you personally for your support on the Palestinian page concerning Jesus. The page runs rampant with pro-Israeli agenda editors that put their POV in lieu of facts that are provided. I keep a neutral POV and keep to the facts on this and all pages I follow and it's nice to have support from you.

I attempted to cite and source the Jesus Christ page earlier in his ethnicity section that Christ was a "Palestinian Jew" to replace the current blanket term "Jewish" which links to the Jewish people as a whole and my edit was shot down by editors who promptly reverted it, who from my perspective have an agenda to only show Christ as Jewish and a member of the Jewish people. This can be further seen in the description of him as a Jewish Rabbi from Galilee. Although this may have been true, Galilee was a part of Palestine, was it not? It just amazes me at the effort pro-Israeli editors will go to disavow Palestinian history and people and completely ignore facts in their faces.

Regards, Lazyfoxx (talk) 09:59, 5 March 2012 (UTC)