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Thank you
Thank you for the archiving!Parenchyma18 (talk) 14:59, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * You're welcome :). I've left some instructions about archiving on your talk page. If you need further help with it, just let me know, and don't worry if you make a mistake. You can always undo the edits and start over again. Nothing is ever lost on Wikipedia. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 15:36, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, again! Parenchyma18 (talk) 18:31, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Hey dude!
I saw how many edits you have. 87000!!! I feel you should display a grognard star on your user page. I also appreciate any advice you have for me! Magicsan (talk) 16:02, 11 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello Magicsan. I prefer my user page the way it is, without bling. The number of edits is no big deal, especially after 10 years of editing. Anyhow, if you have any specific questions about editing, I'd be happy to direct you to the relevant resource. A really good way to start is the Wikipedia Co-op. Check it out. Just one word of advice, though, it's best not to address your fellow editors as "Dude". It is entirely inappropriate to use with women editors (like me), and many men here also dislike it. As the saying goes... When in doubt, leave it out. Voceditenore (talk) 16:21, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

ehhh...i apologize. I'm just 15 years old....but I understand that I have to be professional here,i appreciate you sharing that link, Magicsan (talk) 16:51, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Name issue at Atilla Kiss B.
I would love to know your thoughts. See Talk:Atilla Kiss B. Best.4meter4 (talk) 23:38, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Replied there. Voceditenore (talk) 13:04, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Némethy, Ella (1895 - 1961), mezzo-soprano
I just discovered this article on a notable mezzo that completely lifted word for word the material from Grove. I put quotes around some of it and rewrote some of it to avoid copyright concerns. I haven't checked for copyright issues in the lower unwikified paragraphs. Given the user name, I am guessing the article creator is a relative of the subject.4meter4 (talk) 20:54, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * For an article title, the name in English order would be enough, this is probably similar, see also Baba Macnee and recording Lohengrin, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:05, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, it appears that the whole article was a copy paste/close paraphrase job. I have re-worded things to avoid too close of a paraphrase and added more content and refs. The article is in ok shape now other than the title. I have marked the article as patrolled. I'm not sure what the process is for moving draft articles to main space. Can you help with that Voceditenore?4meter4 (talk) 01:13, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much 4meter4! Great job! I've moved it to article space as Ella Némethy and created a redirect for the spelling without the diacritic. I'm now going to leave a note to the draft's creator about the copyright issue. I think you're right given the username. They probably won't be creating other articles, but just in case, better to head off future trouble. It's possible they were planning to work on it further and add references before submitting to Articles for Creation, but even so it's a bad idea to copypaste and then try to fix it up later. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 05:31, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. And thank you for your help!4meter4 (talk) 05:35, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Laura Giordano
Dear Voceditenore, thanks for editing the article on Laura Giordano. I made further changes and cuts, which hopefully eliminate some of the remaining issues and improve the readability. Could you go over the article once again? Thanks!

ParideVezzoso (talk) 15:15, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Paride (great name). I'll try to take a look this week. If I run out of time before I leave for Italy, I'll ask for volunteers at WikiProject Opera. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:23, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks! ParideVezzoso (talk) 12:43, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Paride. I had a quick look at it and it's much improved. When I get back in September, I'll look at it more in more detail. Meanwhile, if you need more help or just have any questions, drop a message at WikiProject Opera. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 17:14, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks. Meantime I made a few new little tweaks to the article. Hope it's not too much to ask, but could you also check Nino Surguladze? Was looking for her on Wiki, but the logs said the article was deleted twice in the past for copyright violations (copy/paste from the official biography). So I had to start from the scratch. Cheers, ParideVezzoso (talk) 18:30, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * While working on that article, I got a generic question: a number of commercial websites, such as www.streamopera.com and www.medici.tv, offer complete opera recordings in internet streaming. Is it appropriate to list these recordings in the discography sections? This could be considered as promoting commercial material; but then the usual DVDs and CDs are also released by commercial labels... ParideVezzoso (talk) 13:07, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Realmmb
Hi, this message to you isn't that important that you waste your time to read you, but still please have a read. You regarded the page Djair Miranda Garcia as my page which isn't true and I had some personal reasons which made me the first "Page Maker" in my wiki friend society. So that wasn't either my page nor were my points, and those info were collected by me only. So please don't grow any enmity with me and all I did my placing wrong tags was due to my inexperience but I tried to make myself comfortable with those tags. So please forgive me. Thank You, Realmmb Con. Talk  15:19, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Replied on your talk page. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 18:06, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Philip Brunelle Page
I wanted to take a moment to thank you for the edits and work put into this page. I felt they were very necessary, clearly sourced, and helped save a page from deletion (due to the entire page being directly copy-pasted from a copyrighted source). Jcmcc450 (talk) 18:11, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Jcmcc450. Yes, even if it hadn't been copyvio the rampant puffery was completely out of order. I wish I could convince COI editors (and the article had several of them) that writing like that detracts badly from the subject's image rather than enhancing it. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 16:54, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Could I get ...
... a as well? ;) Cf. your own observation at Sockpuppet investigations/Worldchampion2014/Archive. -- Sam Sing! 10:13, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh yes, Sam, it's quite obvious what's going on SMirC-smile.svg. So far, they're sticking to inane comments on the talk page, but the minute they attempt editing the article, I'm off to SPI. Voceditenore (talk) 10:36, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I was checking those three links yesterday in Archive.org, but you beat me at adding dead link. No versions were archived of the two of them, and the one cite that already included an archived_url had been deleted in Archive.org. What do we do in such cases? Add the cite, then quote the full text in a cot/cob on the talk page and have two other editors confirm it before somebody gets the source deleted? -- Sam Sing! 10:49, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Sam, per WP:Link rot (Do not delete cited information solely because the URL to the source does not work any longer. WP:Verifiability does not require that all information be supported by a working link, nor does it require the source to be published online.), we leave them for now. For one thing Focus is also a print magazine, and theoretically, anyone could find those articles in a library. On the other hand the other existing refs are also more than adequate for verifying what is actually in the WP article. I'm also collecting multiple other sources as backup and having them archived + the relevant quotes. Beans-wise, perhaps let sleeping dogs lie for the moment? Voceditenore (talk) 11:55, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
 * It's one of a million articles I wouldn't return to for a second, were it not for the whitewashing. :) -- Sam Sing! 10:18, 13 February 2015 (UTC) P.S. Your two former messages did not show up on my notifications list. Could that be because of the piped plain link? Could you try to reply using, please?
 * I had piped it as you suggest. How odd! OK, here's a non-piped link, User:Sam Sailor, let me know if that works. Anyhow, my feelings are exactly the same concerning that article. UGH! In my most recent reply on the talk page, I quite explicitly pointed them to read WP:SOCK. We'll see what happens. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:31, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Hmm, I didn't get a notification there either. Yesterday over on WT:MATH, Reply to didn't work as well. Something is rotten in the State of Ping, the Vaterland of Ms. Butterfly. ;) Enjoy your weekend. -- Sam Sing! 12:12, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Sam. The non-pinging pings were/are an ongoing saga and are seemingly unpredictable in their bad behaviour. See the Village Pump here for the latest. And speaking of bad behaviour... All seems to have gone quiet on the "massage" front. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 14:43, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I got this one loud and clear. Weird. The WMF are surely pulling our legs here. ;) -- Sam Sing! 14:44, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

thanks for this
Thanks for finding Felix Salmon (November 23, 2010). "Benjamin Wey and the Power of PR", Columbia Journalism Review I'll be using it as needed, which is quite often.  DGG ( talk ) 17:29, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Brain Balance
That article I just started may have interest for you and your input. Try to expand and update it whenever you can. Thanks.--Taeyebaar (talk) 18:27, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello, Taeyebaar. Since Wikipedia is my hobby, I prefer to write about 19th century opera and not to work on subjects that are related to my academic career. Arrowsmith School was an exception, and frankly, I did not find it a rewarding experience, as my comments to you on the talk page there indicate. For Brain Balance, I suggest that you use much better independent sources than the ones currently in the article. The only non-primary source which I would keep is the article from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. You should consider adding this from KSDK and this from Forbes. Although it does not specifically mention this program, this book by a cognitive neuroscientist has a useful critique of these kinds of programs in general. You also need to read enough of Robert Melito's books Disconnected Kids and Reconnected Kids to be able to describe in detail what his program entails and the rationale he claims for it. Voceditenore (talk) 20:10, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

OK your wish. There's plenty of mention of the program online so I'll add the sources but very slowly as I have limited time.--Taeyebaar (talk) 18:17, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Your username
I've often wondered ... how do you pronounce it? &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:20, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Martin. It's from "Voce di tenore", Italian for "tenor voice". It's pronounced (more or less) as:
 * VO&bull;chay dee ten&bull;OR&bull;ay.
 * Some editors here call me "Voce" or "VdT". Best, Voceditenore (talk) 14:30, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd worked out that that's what it is, but the "edit" inside the name threw me off at first. :-) Bishonen &#124; talk 18:53, 16 September 2015 (UTC).
 * Hi Bish. By "edit inside the name" did you mean the "di"? That's how Italian folk like to say it—"voice of tenor" (sounds a bit like the way Bishzilla talks). Voce di tenore is also the title of a book by this chap in which he trashes several of my favourite tenors. Humph! Voceditenore (talk) 10:37, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Right, I've got the "voice of tenor" thing, but no, I didn't just mean the "di". I meant: take your username, remove the "Voc" at the beginning and the "enore" at the end, and what are you left with? Did that never strike you? I wish I had an "edit" in my name! Wait, here's a nice version you can use for your sig: Voc edit enore. Bishonen &#124; talk 16:50, 17 September 2015 (UTC).
 * Doh! I never ever noticed that "edit" in the middle, Bish. How funny. I'd make a lousy eye-witness. Best, (plain ol') Voceditenore (talk) 18:28, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Interesting! And now I see the reference to it on your userpage. I suppose you could always request a rename to User:Voce di tenore to split up the "edit" :) &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:11, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

wonderful find
That was a magnificent quote you found at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tania Peitzker.  DGG ( talk ) 18:47, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Yep, if I do say so myself. :) I didn't want to pile it on at the AfD but check out "Look me up in Wikipedia" (Twitter), "It is all in Wikipedia if you search for my name" (ChatBots.org), "My diverse experience at management level in the Creative Industries and high tech industries like Artificial Intelligence is best summarised by Wikipedia" (Women on Boards UK), "Bragging rights, I am in wikipedia ..." (Google+) and there are more. While I have your attention, David, and if you have the time, could you take a look at Talk:David Peter Stroh. The article's creator is not taking kindly to my criticism of the promotionalism in the article. I also have serious doubts about the notability of the subject. Voceditenore (talk) 08:39, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

hello voceditenore
I just started using twinkle. I would like to know how to find users who just joined wikipedia. Is there a certain page for that? My main aim is to welcme them here. Your help is always appreciated. Magicsan (talk) 08:16, 17 September 2015 (UTC) p.s. hope you still remember me :-)


 * Hello again, Magicsan. This page lists all the first contributions from new editors. You should not welcome a user until they have made their first contribution, and you must check their contributions carefully to make sure they were not vandalism. We don't welcome vandals and send them messages thanking them for their contributions (which is the wording on virtually all the welcome templates). Voceditenore (talk) 09:14, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

I feel panickers of kundraa should be there on the panicker page Magicsan (talk) 16:01, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * No they should not, for the reasons I explained at Talk:Panicker. Two experienced editors (myself and Sitush) have removed this material three times before and given our policy-based reasons. Do not attempt to re-add it again without achieving a consensus via a policy-based discussion on the article's talk page. Voceditenore (talk) 18:10, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

George Jackson (conductor)
I'm concerned about George Jackson (conductor). It is an article about a conducting student with no merits outside the academic training world, just has won second prize in a minor conducting competition. The article was started by George Jackson himself. It was nominated for deletion and the result was Delete, but it hasn't been removed yet. What can we do? These things should not be on Wikipedia. I've talked about it on the talk of the article... I'd very much like to hear your opinion. Thanks.--Karljoos (talk) 11:38, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I have re-nominated this article for deletion.--Karljoos (talk) 13:47, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Karljoos. I've moved your post here. New topics go a the bottom of talk pages. I'm going to ask an administrator to take a look at the original deleted article to see if this one is substantially identical. If so, it may be a candidate for speedy deletion. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 15:34, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

un'aiuto per Mario Occhiuto
Buongiorno a lei,

la scrivo per salutarla e sapere come sta, oltre a questo per chiederle un aiuto in inglese per quanto concerne Mario Occhiuto, sindaco di Cosenza e Presidente della Provincia di Cosenza. io momentaneamente sono impegnato nella campagna delle olive, ho un poco di piante e produco olio per uso familiare, le chiedo la gentilezza di dare una mano per la pagina in questione, se è occupata faccia con calma. la ringrazio di cuore..saluti dalla Calabria--Luigi Salvatore Vadacchino (talk) 11:38, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Ciao Luigi. Ho aggiunto un po di informazione e 3 fonti per la verificazione e poi qualche altro aggiustamento. Se no, la voce sarebbe stata cancellata. Nota bene che sul English Wikipedia, non si deve mai creare una voce su una persona vivente senza fonti.
 * (For non-Italian speakers: I've added a bit of information and three references plus some other adjustments. Otherwise, the article would have been deleted. Nota bene: on the English Wikipedia, an article about a living person must never be created without sources)
 * Voceditenore (talk) 12:45, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Salve
Buongiorno, sono qui per chiederle, se possibile un aiuto. Ho creato questa pagina Internet Horror Movie Database, poi inserita in AFD. Le fonti dell'articolo sono in lingua italiana e molti wikipediani non capiscono, valutando poi in modo sbagliato. Qui: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Internet_Horror_Movie_Database in fondo alla pagina, vede il signor McGeddon controbattere dicendo che Direttore significa Editor. Inoltre, non conoscendo l'italiano, molti wikipediani reputano le fonti dell'articolo poco attendibili ma invece nelle pagine staff si legge di scrittori, giornalisti e persone del mondo del cinema. Potrebbe aiutarmi a fare chiarezza a loro? Grazie (Pizzole (talk) 12:04, 19 October 2015 (UTC))
 * Hello Pizzole. I'm replying in English because you seem to understand and write English quite well, and it's better to keep communications here understandable by all editors. The Direttore/Editor issue is a minor one. In English the "Editor" (a shortened form of Editor-in-chief) of a publication is equivalent to "Direttore". Having said that, I do think the other people opining at the AfD have a point about the majority of the sources being blogs or similar with the possible exception of Mondo Spettacolo. Again, with the exception of Mondo Spettacolo, the "articles" simply replicate or are heavily based on the original press releases for the website. In my view, the subject currently lacks sufficient depth and breadth of coverage, and completely lacks coverage in mainstream Italian media (or the mainstream media of other countries). This is not surprising, given that the website is only two months old and has just launched. If I were commenting in that discussion, I would suggest it be merged with the article on its founder Antony Coia with a redirect there from "Internet Horror Movie Database" until it receives more coverage. Voceditenore (talk) 08:18, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you but there is a problem. Other as you are not reading all the discussion. Mondospettacolo is not an exception. There are in sources two important newspaper made by journalists (taxidrivers and horrormagazine). You need to verify the sources. Please take a look in depth. Thank you. Pizzole (talk) 08:39, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Dear Voce, you speak good Italian, could you skim 's ANI section § "Persecution from Collect and McGeddon" and maybe give them some advice, please? I have tried to say gently on my talk page and on ANI that they should drop the stick, but to no avail. Thank you. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 15:47, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Already done. I stopped the discussion. I'm sorry, --Pizzole (talk) 15:52, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Daniel Galvin
Can I ask how https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Galvin got made live and how this can be edited so info is correct please. Many thanks. SoniaLall24 (talk) 14:48, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Responded on your talk page which is a better place for this conversation to continue. Voceditenore (talk) 15:27, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Nominated for DYK, hope you don't mind Vesuvius Dogg (talk) 19:40, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey there &mdash; more interesting than Galvin (I think you'll agree) is this article, which existed on French Wikipédia but which I've newly created and expanded in English. I know your love of 19th C opera in particular, and it's fascinating to wonder what voices Louise heard, what productions she saw, given that she was a very enthusiastic and well-traveled opera-goer for her time (with visits to Italy, England, and Germany). Quite a statement, being painted with her opera glasses! Hope you like. Still working on it.  Vesuvius Dogg (talk) 04:00, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Betly
Hi Voceditenore! Could you have a look at changes I made to Donizetti's Betly? The synopsis didn't read smoothly, was slightly inaccurate and also perhaps too brief. Hope I improved it, but it needs some copy editing. Other issues are mentioned on the corresponding talk page. ParideVezzoso (talk) 12:53, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Paride! I'm going to be away for the next couple of days, but will have a look when I get back. Voceditenore (talk) 10:21, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Voceditenore! ParideVezzoso (talk) 10:47, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

un aiuto per Fanny Cadeo
Buongiorno a lei,

la scrivo per salutarla, ringraziarla e sapere come sta. Qui da noi in Calabria c'è problema di alluvione, ma fortunatamente finora la situazione da me è buona e la campagna procede bene. Oltre a questo le volevo chiedere se sarebbe possibile un aiuto e un ampliamento per quanto riguarda la voce di questa artista italiana, attrice, cantante, modella e conduttrice radiofonica e televisiva. Giusto se può dedicare 10-15 minuti per tradurre qualcosa in più in inglese. Per il resto spero tutto bene, la ringrazio come sempre per la disponibilità e cortesia. un abbraccio filiale--Luigi Salvatore Vadacchino (talk) 04:45, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Buongiorno e Buona Domenica a lei,

la scrivo per ringraziarla, salutarla e sapere come sta. Qui da me tutto bene, la campagna delle olive procede a gonfie vele. Oltre a questo volevo comunicarle che ho provveduto ad allungare l'articolo su Fanny Cadeo, nella sezione Works, mi chiedevo se sarebbe ancora disposta a dare una rilettura e un'altra miglioria. Nei prossimi giorni provvederò a ampliare la biografia e avrò bisogno del suo aiuto tempo permettendo. per il resto spero tutto bene lì da voi. un caro saluto--Luigi Salvatore Vadacchino (talk) 07:53, 8 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Ciao Luigi. I will try to have a look at the article some time next week. At the moment my time on Wikipedia is quite limited. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 08:44, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Images at Alexandra Silber
Hey voceditenore. User:SDP248 has been uploading copyrighted images for this page (with the claim it is her own work) which have all been deleted. Based on my interactions with this user, I strongly suspect the user is Alexandra Silber or a close relation of hers. I am pretty sure that given guidance, she could upload these images if told the proper process to do so. I know you have more experience in this area and might be able to assist her. Best.4meter4 (talk) 19:15, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi 4meter4. I'll try to leave her some advice tomorrow. But the process is quite complicated for beginners. Only the most determined ever persevere. I've seen the zillions of notices on her talk page at Commons. I hope she doesn't try to upload them again without the proper permission. She'll end up blocked over there. Voceditenore (talk) 19:46, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for being willing to step in. Blocking was my fear as well.4meter4 (talk) 15:02, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanksgiving
Thanks for guidance, keep enjoying music! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:32, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for enlightenment, such as the infobox for the TT, and jolly comments this season. Did you know that it's the anniversary of Schmeichelnd hold und lieblich klingen unsres Lebens Harmonien? You can't know that it was the first choral work I ever performed, in the school choir, looking like your image above ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:07, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Mail
Hi Buster7. I got your email. I'll get back to you on this on Monday. I'm currently in the midst of a two-day 70th birthday extravaganza. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 09:05, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Richard Cowan (bass-baritone)
Mr. Richard Cowan passed away on November 17, 2015, not on November 18. My edit was correct. The Facebook source cited does not mention his Date of Death, just the fact that he had passed away. Raki2u (talk) 20:39, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello Raki2u. I didn't add any date. I simply put "November 2015" precisely because the Facebook source does not give the exact date of his death,. Another editor added the "18" in this edit. Neither "17" or "18" belongs in the article without a published source verifying the date. I've removed the "18". Do not add any other date until you have a published source. Voceditenore (talk) 05:52, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Barnstar archived here. Voceditenore (talk) 09:08, 8 January 2016 (UTC)


 * You're welcome, Magnus, and thank you for your kind words. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 12:06, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Translation/identification question
Blessings brother!! I am interested in this 1838 book -- Il legato di un vecchio ai giovani della sua patria

I am especially interested in understanding this passage on page 28:


 * Il selvaggio Nomado ex lege arrestato nelle spelonche dallo spavento, e dall'ammirazione con l'imponente spettacolo delle meteore, per la prima volta rivolse sopra se stesso lo sguardo della debole ragione, conobbe un potere fuori di lui più colossale della sua erculea brutalità, e per la prima volta concepì un culto.


 * La robusta immaginazione gli fe ravvisare gli effetti come causa, quindi deificando i fenomeni naturali divenne un Pandeista, un istitutore della Mitologia, un sacerdote, un Augure.

Can you tell me what this means in English? Would this be good as a source for this project? I can not quite figure out if authorship is disclosed here. Blessings!! Pandeist (talk) 23:51, 28 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello Pandeist. It was quite common in 19th century Italy for amateurs to have their essays privately printed. The booklet is probably an example of this. It has no author's name appearing anywhere on it or in the catalogue of the Italian National Library in Naples, the only library which appears to hold a copy. The title Il legato di un vecchio ai giovani della sua patria means The Legacy of an Old Man to the Young People of his Country. The passage you quoted are his musings on the origin of what he calls "pandeism", but I suspect he means by that polytheism, which he says is the first form of human religion. He proposes that this developed from primitive people seeing meteors, realizing that there was a power greater than themselves, and then deifying such phenomena or postulating the existence gods which were causing the phenonema. The booklet is a curiosity, but not a really a useful source for the pandeism article and not notable in itself. I have been unable to find any sources which even mention it let alone discuss it. Hope that helps. Voceditenore (talk) 10:03, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you, that is indeed fascinating. My intent is not necessarily to use this as a source of authority for the meaning of the term, but simply to note the odd coincidence of the word being used in the same year, and the same language, as another equally early use. That is, I mean to footnote the curiosity. I sadly doubt it can be determined which of the two was first, or of any connection existing between them. Pandeist (talk) 18:57, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, Pandeist, I can't see any reason not to add it as a footnote. It's quite interesting. I found another use of the word in Italian which is even earlier than 1838. See Prediche scelte del padre da Lojano, p. 171 where he rails against "Giudei, Maomettani, Gentili, Scismatici, Eretici, Pandeisti, Deisti, geni torbidi, e inquieti". (Jews, Muslims, Gentiles, Schismatics, Heretics, Pandeists, Deists, and troubled, restless spirits). This collection of the sermons of Padre Filippo Nannetti di Bibulano (aka il Padre da Lojano) was published in 1834, but the sermons clearly date from an earlier period as he died in 1829. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 12:09, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * There is a reference on the Pandeism page for a different quote from a "Filippo Nani" whom I assume to be the same as your Nannetti. Can you add this there and fix that if it indeed needs fixing? You're surely better qualified to deal with parsing the intricacies of the Italian involved. Blessings!! Pandeist (talk) 22:37, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Went ahead and did it. Blessings!! Pandeist (talk) 20:29, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Domingo article
Given your love for this artist, I thought you might enjoy reading this current article in Opera News. Best.4meter4 (talk) 03:02, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, 4meter4! I do admire him a lot, and have seen him in a lot of his roles at the ROH, although he's not my favourite tenor of all times. I'll let you guess who is SMirC-smile.svg. Meanwhile, have you seen the work Rmm413 has done on Plácido Domingo? A HUGE improvement. Brilliant, in fact. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:47, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Christmas opera
Hi, I made the page title singular in keeping with Wikipedia style. I think the article needs a short lead explaining what a Christmas opera is. Then what you've written here as a lead could start in a new section, "History". Yoninah (talk) 15:03, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, Yoninah, this should really be titled List of Christmas operas, which is what it is intended to be. The lede is basically an introduction to the list. The criteria for the list is that the opera's libretto tells a story explicitly related to the celebration of Christmas. However, I don't want to mess any further with the title when it's about to be a DYK for Christmas. So we can discuss that later. In the meantime, I'll write a (very) short lede. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 15:28, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh. Well, I have no problem juggling the DYK credits with the new title, if you wish. Yoninah (talk) 15:34, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, Yoninah, I've moved it to List of Christmas operas as it's a much better solution. I'll leave you to sort out the DYK links. Many thanks for your help and Merry Christmas!. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 15:40, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Happy holidays, Voce!
I'm off to Midnight Mass tonight in the cathedral in Udon Thani. No queuing up outside in the cold - its 29º here! Al the best, --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:14, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

and Happy Holidays to you too!
It's that time of year again, so the King William's College Quiz must be out. Fewer opera-related questions this year compared with some previous editions ... Enjoy the rest and enjoy the rest. Best, Scarabocchio (talk) 09:20, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
 * 5.10 Where did Rienzi initiate an annual festival 120 years ago?
 * 8.10 Who underwent a nocturnal mammary transformation? not operatic, in fact .. Thérèse released her mamelles as balloons, so this will be the other one, that lupine one that woke up with breasts
 * 13.7 For what was Rigoletto substituted for the opening of the Opera House?
 * 15.6 What famous dance sequence precedes Grimaldo’s attempt on the life of Badoero? the trick here is to answer without getting the earworm
 * 16.4 What was inspired through an invitation to see Elsa of Brabant?

Happy holidays!
Happy holidays to you too! And thank you for the wonderful addition of List of Christmas operas. Glad we will have something from the opera project on Christmas day.4meter4 (talk) 05:11, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

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 * I tried the Dickens character --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:56, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

2016 year of the reader and peace
Thank you for your wise operatic support and good musical wishes, returned with my review, and the peace bell by Yunshui! (click on "bell" for more music)--Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:36, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Voceditenore!


Happy New Year! Voceditenore, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. Poepkop (talk) 14:14, 1 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Happy New Year 2016}} to send this message

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Editor of the Week
Editor MelanieN submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:

User Voceditenore has been editing Wikipedia since January 25, 2006; it would seem very appropriate to honor her on her tenth anniversary here. She has made more than 85,000 edits and created hundreds of articles, primarily about music. She also rescues articles, reviews new article submissions, and works as a copyright problems clerk. Her gracious presence here and her invaluable contributions deserve recognition. You can copy the following text to your user page to display a user box proclaiming your selection as Editor of the Week:

Thanks again for your efforts! Buster Seven   Talk  15:13, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Congratulations, and thanks for TEN YEARS of improving Wikipedia! Did you even realize it is your tenth anniversary this week? --MelanieN (talk) 20:40, 24 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Buster and Melanie and everyone at WikiProject Editor Retention! What a lovely surprise! You are both very kind. Yes, 10 years today. Hard to believe. Take a look at my first article which I created nine months later—I hit "save" too soon SMirC-smile.svg. Best wishes to you both, Voceditenore (talk) 08:16, 25 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Many congratulations V for this well deserved recognition of your work here at WikiP! BTW I remember standing at a chalkboard just like the one at the top of your talk page :-) Cheers and have a delightful weekend. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 17:26, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Saluti dalla Calabria e gentile richiesta di traduzione per Mauro Cozzoli in inglese
Buongiorno dalla Calabria,

la scrivo per salutarla e sapere come sta, qui è arrivato il freddo da qualche giorno anche se abbiamo sempre il sole. Oltre a questo le chiedo la cortesia di tradurre in inglese l'articolo su un presbitero, teologo e scrittore italiano, molto attivo anche nei paesi germanofoni, anglosassoni e dell'Europa Nord Orientale. Giusto 10 minuti al massimo da dedicarmi, con la cortese la ringrazio in anticipo di vero cuore per l'aiuto che mi darà. a presto!--Luigi Salvatore Vadacchino (talk) 11:39, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Thank you so much for helping and editing the Teisseire page! Great work, and so appreciated!

FoscaF (talk) 16:02, 18 January 2016 (UTC) 
 * You're welcome, Fosca. Teisseire is quite a fascinating company, as I discovered. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 17:22, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

IAC?
Hi Voceditenore and Just looking for your thoughts on whether the newly created article Sarabjit Roy is related to the Sock/Meatfarm. I know this name is closely associated with that, and the article was just created and subsequently pruned of massive copyright violations. Thanks, Crow  Caw  21:26, 23 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Probably. There were also some odd goings-on last week involving a contributor who is now blocked. Several people thought it likely that they were a returning IAC sock but they got blocked on more general grounds anyway. We may be entering another fun-packed period after the hiatus of recent months. I wonder what has brought this on? There most likely is something afoot in India. - Sitush (talk) 22:00, 23 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi Crow. As Sitush says, it's more than possible. Sarabjit Roy is an odd spelling of his name, possibly deliberate. Sarbajit Roy (the spelling he uses on his websites) was deleted and protected from creation in November 2014 following this RfD discussion. I can't give much of an opinion since I cannot see the revisions deleted in the present article nor in the deleted original article. (It was originally an article, and then changed to redirect.) I suggest you contact an admin who can see the previous versions of the original Sarbajit Roy and the revisions of this one for comparison. In any case, I would think that there are grounds for speedy deleting this one on the basis of the original protection from creation. Voceditenore (talk) 08:21, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Barnstar archived here. Voceditenore (talk) 17:45, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for your kind words, Theroadislong! It was quite a marathon, but all's well that ends well. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 19:07, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Women in Music
Editathon Note to self. Voceditenore (talk) 08:57, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Operas for the month of January
I attempted to set up WikiProject Opera/OotM/January2016, but I am afraid I don't understand it well enough to get it to work. Mind lending a hand? Thanks.4meter4 (talk) 20:20, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi 4meter4! I just figured out what happened. The labels on those templates are an artefact from the olden days and kind of confusing. We used to have only one collaboration, Composer of the Month which started in 2006, primarily to fill in their red-linked operas but its templates were prefixed Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera/OotM/... Not sure why. Then we added a second collaboration for Singer of the Month for red-linked singers. That template was prefixed Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera/SotM/... but in January 2009, the collaboration was changed to Opera of the Month to focus on improving existing articles on operas and subjects related to them. Nevertheless its template retains the Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera/SotM/... prefix. Having said that, there's a fair amount of flexibility in actually filling them out and I sometimes use Opera of Month to list red-linked operas. Voceditenore (talk) 17:55, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Books and Bytes - Issue 14
The Wikipedia Library/Newsletter/October-November2015

un aiuto per Mauro Cozzoli
Buonasera dalla Calabria,

la scrivo per salutarla e sapere come sta, oltre a questo per augurarle un eccellente week-end. Con la cortese le comunico che ho provveduto a tradurre in inglese la pagina di Mauro Cozzoli, solo che mentre mi accingevo a ampliarla hanno messo l'avviso di cancellazione, mi potrebbe gentilmente aiutare lei a non farla cancellare? Giusto 10 minuti del suo prezioso tempo da dedicarmi. vi ringrazio in anticipo per quello che potrà fare. cordialmente--Luigi Salvatore Vadacchino (talk) 20:25, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello Luigi. Apologies for the late reply. I've been very busy. I see a couple of other editors managed to rescue the article for you. But once again, never create an article on English Wikipedia about a living person without adding at least one reliable independent source. The rules on English Wikipedia are very strict about that. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 11:07, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Sintax the Terrific
I'd appreciate your thoughts, whatever they are here. Best.4meter4 (talk) 03:59, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi 4meter4. Since I know nothing about this genre and the types of sources that cover it, I couldn't really have any useful input there. I do note that they/he are talked about in the book at the top of this list which was published in 2003 and by a noted publisher, so he's obviously been around for a while. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:33, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Offensive fake in perceptions....
That article don't have any proper reference but edited just for purposefully place offensive element.how to revert Truth should trump (talk) 18:59, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Truth should trump, you pasted copyright material into Goud Saraswat Brahmin. That is a copyright violation and has been removed. You also failed to credit the source. Thus, it was also plagiarism. I have no comment about the remainder of the article. The appropriate place to discuss your issues with the article itself is at Talk:Goud Saraswat Brahmin. Voceditenore (talk) 19:08, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Tenex Software Solutions
Hi Voceditenore, Thanks for taking a consistent and level headed approach to this article on our company. I flagged this article many times, as it always came across as being laced with conflict of interest rather than a real interest in disseminating information to public. I do have a question for you though - can you please let me know what the process is now that the page discussing the removal has been up for a few days? Thanks. Ravikallem (talk) 06:49, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello Ravikallem. Normally an AfD is closed after 7 days. Sometimes, as in this case, it's re-listed, i.e. kept open for another 7 days to see if a clearer consensus emerges before an administrator closes it. If after that time, in the administrator's judgment there is no clear consensus to either keep or delete, it's closed as "no consensus". A close of "no consensus" means the article is kept by default, which I think would be very unfortunate in this case. The arguments for keeping it are extremely weak, to say the least. I generally try to avoid second-guessing other editors' motives, but I do find the creation of this article quite odd. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 08:06, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
 * -Thanks. There seem to be more delete votes than keep. I counted about 6 deletes vs 3 keeps, including the implied one by User:StevenJohnson14. Admittedly little interest in this topic, but hopefully enough to generate action. Ravikallem (talk) 04:29, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Sujit Meher
It looks like Sujit or possibly his press agent has finally managed to get the article in train for deletion. If he'd left well enough alone, it would quite likely have been kept. It's like the tragic irony thing — you know, they expose the baby because it's been foretold he'll marry his mother, and that action ensures the prophecy will come true. Yeah, a bit like that. I think I'll be a little more proactive about blocking his obvious socks in the future. Bishonen &#124; talk 11:29, 29 March 2016 (UTC).
 * The canvassing and the socking were definitely the step too far in this tragedia lirica, Bish, and alas for that crew there's no Stravinsky around to compose Sujit Rex in the aftermath. I changed my verdict to delete, following DGG's excellent arguments—not that I needn't much encouragement. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 12:15, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Sintax the Terrific
I'd appreciate your thoughts, whatever they are here. Best.4meter4 (talk) 03:59, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi 4meter4. Since I know nothing about this genre and the types of sources that cover it, I couldn't really have any useful input there. I do note that they/he are talked about in the book at the top of this list which was published in 2003 and by a noted publisher, so he's obviously been around for a while. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:33, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Offensive fake in perceptions....
That article don't have any proper reference but edited just for purposefully place offensive element.how to revert Truth should trump (talk) 18:59, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Truth should trump, you pasted copyright material into Goud Saraswat Brahmin. That is a copyright violation and has been removed. You also failed to credit the source. Thus, it was also plagiarism. I have no comment about the remainder of the article. The appropriate place to discuss your issues with the article itself is at Talk:Goud Saraswat Brahmin. Voceditenore (talk) 19:08, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Tenex Software Solutions
Hi Voceditenore, Thanks for taking a consistent and level headed approach to this article on our company. I flagged this article many times, as it always came across as being laced with conflict of interest rather than a real interest in disseminating information to public. I do have a question for you though - can you please let me know what the process is now that the page discussing the removal has been up for a few days? Thanks. Ravikallem (talk) 06:49, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello Ravikallem. Normally an AfD is closed after 7 days. Sometimes, as in this case, it's re-listed, i.e. kept open for another 7 days to see if a clearer consensus emerges before an administrator closes it. If after that time, in the administrator's judgment there is no clear consensus to either keep or delete, it's closed as "no consensus". A close of "no consensus" means the article is kept by default, which I think would be very unfortunate in this case. The arguments for keeping it are extremely weak, to say the least. I generally try to avoid second-guessing other editors' motives, but I do find the creation of this article quite odd. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 08:06, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
 * -Thanks. There seem to be more delete votes than keep. I counted about 6 deletes vs 3 keeps, including the implied one by User:StevenJohnson14. Admittedly little interest in this topic, but hopefully enough to generate action. Ravikallem (talk) 04:29, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Sujit Meher
It looks like Sujit or possibly his press agent has finally managed to get the article in train for deletion. If he'd left well enough alone, it would quite likely have been kept. It's like the tragic irony thing — you know, they expose the baby because it's been foretold he'll marry his mother, and that action ensures the prophecy will come true. Yeah, a bit like that. I think I'll be a little more proactive about blocking his obvious socks in the future. Bishonen &#124; talk 11:29, 29 March 2016 (UTC).
 * The canvassing and the socking were definitely the step too far in this tragedia lirica, Bish, and alas for that crew there's no Stravinsky around to compose Sujit Rex in the aftermath. I changed my verdict to delete, following DGG's excellent arguments—not that I needn't much encouragement. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 12:15, 29 March 2016 (UTC)