User talk:Yamara/Archive 02

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I feel you require a barnstar...

 * You're welcome, 124.171.21.177! wherever you are... -- Yamara 17:36, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Template Time Measurement and Standards Topics
In many time related articles, you are deleting most references in the "see also" sections in a rapid tempo, while adding a template. In my opinion this is rather reader unfriendly. I intend to restore many of the deleted referencces. Could you please stop doing this till other editors have an opportunity to react? &minus;Woodstone (talk) 14:00, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Alas, it is already done, at least for that template.
 * (Recopied from my comment at User talk:Woodstone:)
 * Sorry if I stepped on any toes, but I was only removing "See Also" listings from where they duplicate links on the template. Many articles have excessively long See Also lists, that append without adequate explanation, and templates seek to address that.


 * Specifically regarding 12-hour clock and 24-hour clock articles, references to each are in the body of either article, making the See Alsos redundant, even without the Time Measurement Template. Also, in the 12-hour clock article, Comparison of the 12-hour and 24-hour clocks is linked twice in the article above, in appropriate places, and should probably not be in the See Also list a third time.


 * In any case, no page has been left unlinked where it was linked before. I'm very careful about that. Cheers. -- Yamara 16:09, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

What's the problem with redirects to templates?
Sorry, I don't understand your point. What's the problem with redirects to templates? For example, right now, Daylight saving time is using a redirect, since its source contains the text, but I don't see any problem with how the article looks on my screen. Also, I checked some of the other pages that used the overcapitalized name (right after I made it a redirect to the lowercased name), and they worked just fine too. Wikipedia standards are to not capitalize later words in a title, so I'd rather do it the "right" way if it works. Eubulides (talk) 16:37, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


 * There is no technical problem with redirects to templates. I guess that you are more comfortable with redoing all the pages that use the templates, so I did that. By the way, other templates have the same naming problem, e.g., "Chronology Topics" should be "Chronology topics". But I'll leave that for you. One more thing, please don't put more than one blank line before and after the template call, as the extra blank lines cause misformatting. Eubulides (talk) 06:49, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

History of timekeeping devices
I've moved the page to reflect the comments at peer review. Would you mind helping out with making it more informative on the actual timekeeping? Even just providing some sources would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! J- ſtan ContribsUser page 22:12, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Japanese nengō
The Chronology template is an alluring addition to Wikipedia. In my view, there is no doubt that this template enhances the quality and value of the project. However, there is a small problem with the decision to construe Japanese era names as a subset of Regnal names -- not that it's entirely wrong, but rather, it just happens that this subject turns out to be quite a bit more complicated.

At this point, I'm just wanting to give you a quick head's up just in case your edit engenders any prickly complaints or criticisms. Not to worry .... I hope to have more time to re-visit this next week. --Ooperhoofd (talk) 17:33, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm continuing to try to think through the problem your work creates, in my view. It's not enough to criticize what you have done.  It's a relatively easy matter to contrive an argument explaining why something you've done is a little bit off-base, but it's much more difficult to suggest something better.  I'm still pondering; but tentatively, maybe you'll consider a modest, yet meaningful change:
 * (1) Please consider removing Japanese as a sub-set of Regnal year; and instead, the link could be re-positioned elsewhere. In support of this modification, please revisit Japanese era name. The newly devised Greorian calendar year/nengō conversion table might help you understand at a glance why, despite the impression a reasonable person could otherwise develop on the basis of post-Meiji period examples, it becomes unhelpful to conflate nengō and regnal years across the span of Japanese history since the 8th century. Throughout the reigns of serial emperors, it is indisputable that a new era was often proclaimed in conjunction with the accession of a new sovereign; but there were also many instances in which new eras were proclaimed for other reasons entirely.
 * (2) As an constructive alternative, why not profit from the plausible hint which flows from what you can discover for yourself as you browse the English-language web pages of Japan's National Diet Library -- here. Until the arrival of Europeans, the Japanese used a lunar calendar and nengō simultaneously; and afterwards, they adapted to the juggling of Gregorian calendar conventions a matter of course. In your unique template, why not re-position the link for Japanese era name as a newly contrived sub-set of "Calendars"?  My sense is that it's an arguably good idea to locate this Japanese nengō link at the bottom of this section, e.g.,
 * Pre-Julian Roman · Original Julian · Proleptic Julian · Revised Julian
 * Gregorian · Proleptic Gregorian · Old Style and New Style
 * Astronomical year numbering · Islamic · ISO week date
 * Lunisolar · Lunar · Solar
 * Japanese nengō ...?
 * Does this small suggestion really require a more fully-developed explanation? Without more, perhaps this brief note will be sufficiently persuasive .... What do you think? --Ooperhoofd (talk) 01:58, 17 January 2008 (UTC)


 * There are other points of debate on the Regnal year and Era name pages that should probably be addressed before "my" little template is taken to task. I'm not proprietary about the template; this is Wikipedia. :)
 * However, a solution presents itself; I've added Era name to the template. I leave it to you to fight for its exclusion from Regnal year! -- Yamara 02:39, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Rather than disagreeing with you, it's easier to argue that yours was the better editing choice. As revealed in the newly-created conversion table for Japanese era names, in most cases, an era change is attributable to the accession of a new Japanese sovereign.

As I considered how best to respond to the questions raised for me by your Chronology template, I was reminded of an appendix in a relatively recent book:
 * Regnal periods were declared once or more often during the life of individual emperors, and provided the formal basis for calendar dating .... Some nengō are obscure, and little used outside specialized texts.  Some are widely known, and have a personality all their own:  for instance, Genroku conveys a significance somewhat akin to the use of siècle de Louis Quatorze in French history. [ emphasis added]
 * -- Cullen, L.M. (2003). A History of Japan, 1582-1941: Internal and External Worlds. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. ISBN 0-521-82115-X (cloth) ISBN 0-521-529918-2 (paper)

When I re-visited Cullen's comments, it became clear that my view of nengō had been marginalized, perhaps with good reason in a book dealing with the range of transitions which account for the character of modern Japan. This doesn't resolve the issue in terms of our broader Wikipedia context, but it may be persuasive in the narrowed context of this template.

Changing gears somewhat: Is there a place in the Chronology template for Sexagenary cycle? If so, where? In the "Calendar" section perhaps?
 * Pre-Julian Roman · Original Julian · Proleptic Julian · Revised Julian
 * Gregorian · Proleptic Gregorian · Old Style and New Style
 * Astronomical year numbering · Islamic · ISO week date
 * Lunisolar · Lunar · Solar
 * Sexagenary cycle · Chinese · Japanese? · Korean ...?

What do you think about incorporating more than one internal link option in the Chronology template:
 * (a) as a sub-set of Eras and Epochs/Regnal year--->Japanese and also
 * (b) as a sub-set of Calendars/Sexagenary cycle--->Japanese?

Of course, I must acknowledge that my persistence here is, in part, a function of my personal interests in pre-Meiji period Japan; but there you have it. In no sense should you feel that I'm "taking you to task" for anything. No, not at all. If anything, my inquiries simply demonstrate the extent to which I have engaged the spirit and substance of your template's effective contribution to making Wikipedia better. --Ooperhoofd (talk) 18:56, 17 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I was wondering where that cycle was hiding. I've reconfigured the calendar section of the Chronology template, but emphasized the cycle's Chinese origin, as it will be more familiar to English speakers (i.e. "Chinese New Year" is better known than "Japanese New Year"); currently, the article does the same in its first sentence.
 * And I did not suspect you of taking me to task. I can sometimes be too tongue-in-cheek. Thank you for your kind praise.
 * Good luck with the historiography of these ancient methods. It's important to know not only how people counted the days, but when they began to count them in what fashion. Cheers, Yamara 14:27, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Invitation


Hello. You may have seen that some Wikipedia articles lack sources to given dates, timelines and chronologies. If you feel that you could like to help in making all articles more reliable and well sourced in this regard, we would like to encourage you to use, as part of your daily editing and when fact is not enough for requesting clearly and specifically a citation or source for dates, timeline or chronology, the following inline tag:
 * Timefact displays {chronology source needed} for requesting timelines, dates and chronology sources. Click  here for more information

At WP Timeline Tracer, we thank you for using these tools and for helping to make Wikipedia articles more accurate and reliable.  Dao  ken  10:52, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Yes it is :) . Thank you  Dao  ken  13:09, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

STOP REMOVING MY EDITS
STOP REMOVING MY EDITS ON THE PAGE TITLED "CRITICISMS OF GEORGE W BUSH" WITHOUT LETTING ME KNOW WHY YOU ARE MAKING THEM!

You haven't given anyone a reason. I have been posting stuff up on the talk page. You know that the section is HORRIBLY written. I made it extremely fair when I wrote it. STOP REMOVING MY EDITS WITHOUT GIVING REASON IN THE TALK SECTION.Kgj08 (talk) 22:39, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Patricia K. Robertson
I see you reverted this edit. However, any editor is entitled to remove a prod tag, and it's certainly not vandalism. Could I ask why you reverted? Sarcasticidealist (talk) 04:21, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Moreover, I have reverted the template you left on the I.P.'s talk page here. The I.P. did nothing wrong, and there is nothing to warn it about.  I confess to being thoroughly baffled by your actions, and I'd appreciate any explanation. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 04:40, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I prodded every article for a non-incumbent candidate in the Alberta election (except for a few - Sean Maw, Avalon Roberts, David Crutcher, Craig Chandler, Arthur Kent, Kent Hehr, George Read, Mike Robinson, Len Skowronski, Ken Allred, Rachel Notley, Naomi Rankin, Link Byfield, and Ed Klop - who seemed to make alternative claims not notability, and one - Christina Gray - that had inexplicably already survived an AfD). I am virtually certain that all of them were created under conflicts of interest; however, whether they were created under conflict-of-interest has no bearing on whether an article should be deleted.  In any event, I suspect I'll wind up bringing this to WP:AFD where I suspect it will be deleted. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 05:54, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * To add to suspicion of conflict of interest, User:Rairsc just made this edit about Robertson's opponent. I've given a vandalism warning. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 05:58, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Olimpia Aldobrandini
Thanks for finding the dates for her. Do you know any books or online sources on her with which to increase the article? Neddyseagoon - talk 12:26, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Stephen Crane barnstar
What an unexpected surprise, thank you! I have taken a break from completely rewriting Crane's bio to finish Emily Dickinson for FAC, but soon I'll get to work in finishing it. It's not even halfway done yet, so hopefully when you check back in a couple months, it'll be even better and perhaps even a Good Article. :) Thanks again, María ( habla  con migo ) 16:01, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

New mailing list
There has been a mailing list created for Wikipedians in the New York metropolitan area (list: Wikimedia NYC). Please consider joining it!  Cbrown1023   talk   21:48, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

removal of charmed pics.
i uploaded some charmed pictures of prue halliwell and you removed them. i took those shoot using my computer so they would be considered my work. you said that the copyright thingy i put is wrong or whatever. the picture i uploaded was my work and i dont appreciate you deleting it when all im trying to do is make the page better. Jpagan09 (talk) 13:08, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

how exactly is ANYONE supposed to upload pics and claim it as their own work without it being deleted. in my case, all i did was take a picture of the scene while my dvd was playing. what kind of license what that go under. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpagan09 (talk • contribs) 13:16, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

you know what i give up. im just trying to make the better article by putting nice pictures. instead of shooting me down and making me look like an idiot, you could try helping me step by step or something so i don't keep breaking the rules. that would be great as opposed to leaving me sarcastic messages and telling me not to hold my breath. that's fine though. i'll add text and stuff, but i won't even try to upload nice pictures that i did MYSELF if you're just gonna be a jerk about it and continuously deleting them. Jpagan09 (talk) 13:25, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Vicki Iseman
Hi Yamara, I removed a See also lonk because it is already linked to in the introduction of that article, so per WP:GTL it really isn't needed. Thank you. --72.209.11.186 (talk) 14:22, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Legit point. I won't revert it again, if it's eliminating a double link. –Yamara ✉  14:25, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Yes, the link is mention pretty prominently since this is pretty much why this article exists in the first place.--72.209.11.186 (talk) 14:27, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

You are invited!
In the afternoon, we will hold a session dedicated to meta:Wikimedia New York City activities, and have salon-style group discussions on Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects (see the last meeting's minutes).

Well also make preparations for our exciting Wikipedia Takes Manhattan event, a free content photography contest for Columbia University students planned for Friday March 28 (about 2 weeks after our meeting).

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Tom Martin
Dear Yamara, what you say is true, but what you have put into the text includes references direct to MSS sources, which is not permitted in Wikipedia (see WP:OR): also these references to Add MSS require the reader to know without being told that Add MSS is a prefix to certain Manuscript collections in the British Library, which you have not mentioned (even if the intention is merely to inform the reader that this information is derived, in the article's published source material, from such a source). Also you have listed the Add MSS as follow-ons to other, published references in the list of references proper at the bottom, so that you have muddled the published and unpublished sources. Also the published sources are given in abbreviated form, which is inappropriate for Wikipedia (e.g. 'Lownes, Bibl. Man. (Bohm)') as hardly anyone will be able to know what you mean, and they should be given in a normal form. In fact they look as if they have just been copied down from an ancient published source, without any critical revision or attempt to reconcile them with modern forms, let alone Wikipedia conventions. As a wikipedia article, all the references (whether presented in Harvard or inline footnote form) need to be to published sources, in recognisable form, and your add mss references and arcane forms in the reflist fall short of this need. As an antiquary interested in the work of Tom Martin I am keen to see this article remain and improve, so I am trying to help you protect it from the boring police who will undoubtedly delete what I had merely lifted aside into footnotes. All is not always what it at first appears. Best wishes Eebahgum (talk) 10:58, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Re. "SAY SOMETHING"
自由万歳 !



Bwa ha ha ha,

— Wi ki sc ie nt  — 22:22, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Catherine of Aragon
May I know why you took that IP(I forget =P)'s edits as vandalism? 165.21.155.116 (talk) 16:05, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Removed information and a helpful solution to an issue without explanation. For more info, see the article's talk page. - Yamara ✉  18:22, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
 * There is a consensus for the move on the talk page. Seems that K is favoured over C. Rudget . 19:25, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No, there isn't a consensus for a move. We've been through this several times before.  C is the most common spelling as measured in Google hits, and MOS decrees that that should be the page name, regardless of how it's spelled in the article.  BTW, 62.56.56.183 is the same person as Chloe2kaii7, so their edits have to be considered together. -- Zsero (talk) 20:04, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Please be more careful
I appreciate your vandal patrolling, but if you can't be more careful, you need to stop. You reverted my edits here as vandalism. They were clearly explained in the edit summary. You then templated me with a completely incorrect template accusing me of all sorts. In general it is considered highly uncivil to template regular users. If you think a regular user has acted in bad faith, stop and consider that you might be mistaken, and then politely ask for an explanation on the talk page. I hope this helps.--Docg 19:30, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * My apologies for the harsh application of "vandal"-- sometimes I get called into the middle of something at work, and I would not not have chosen it with a moment more of thought. However, you did remove content, and your reason was no better than the person adding the content. In that regard, I feel you acted in the wrong. But with ASG. --Yamara ✉  19:49, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!
Hello! :) Thanks for joining WikiProject Gender Studies/Feminism Task Force. --Grrrlriot (talk) 21:14, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Time travel, or space-time travel?
Yes, I removed a paragraph from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_travel#Time_travel.2C_or_space-time_travel.3F

That's because it's wrong.

And I posted why in the discussion page, many hours before.

Please read before you send me a message about how I might be in error; I'm not!--Mr. Shawn H. Corey (talk) 05:24, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Just as a coda to interested readers, not a response to "Mr. Shawn H. Corey", I did address this at the same time as my revert on the talk page at Time travel, where the user proceeded to declare me a "little worm" before being reverted again by yet another editor. Posting under the username Shawncorey, Mr. Corey has made a total of one edit on Wikipedia to date—not including his dozen or so emendations to talk pages—which he has vowed to repeat, "until it it correct". Cheers. —Yamara</b> ✉  16:07, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Wrong is wrong. And I have fought with worst than you.  I can only think you do not want the truth; you must have some hidden agenda.  I shall repeat myself:  Any arguments citing special relativity are bogus;  use general relativity.--Mr. Shawn H. Corey (talk) 21:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I have just read your home page. You are a total asshole.  "This user keeps his userboxes where they %@#* well belong"  What type of language is that?  Your oppinion is irrelevant.--Mr. Shawn H. Corey (talk) 21:39, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Wrong is wrong. And, correcting for grammar, no he has not. There's a very unhidden Three revert rule on Wikipedia, as interested readers likely already know, which Mr. Corey has already violated. I've taken this up on his talk page, where, when I have anything to say to him, I address these concerns. Wikipedia is also, as most folks know, not a place where "fights", as such, are tolerated, since it is not like most of the internet, where arguments from strident anonymous points of view are embraced, even delighted in.
 * Were I to offer an opinion on such people, I would imagine that they are either ignorant of Wikipedia's policies, and so assume that the "trolling" that occurs elsewhere online is unstoppable on a wiki. —Or, if they have already discovered that Wikipedia blocks disruptive editors, and return to disrupt again, I would surmise that they are masochists, though they may well be ignorant of this dependence on being abused.
 * Either one of those, or the poster is twelve years of age. Not yet an adult. That can happen sometimes.
 * Cheers, everyone. —<b style="color:#FF3300;">Yamara</b> ✉  22:05, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Please use WP:AN/3RR to report 3RR violations...NOT WP:AIV. Thank you.<i style="font-family:comic sans ms; color:purple;">¤~Persian Poet Gal</i> <sup style="color:purple;">(talk) 22:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. Though the 3RR seems to be the least of it, as his text above indicates, which is why I reported him. Thanks for warning him about WP:NPA. Let's see if he takes it like an adult. <b style="color:#FF3300;">Yamara</b> ✉  23:14, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

NYC Meetup: June 1, 2008
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Notability of Pawn (webcomic)
A tag has been placed on Pawn (webcomic) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If this is the first page that you have created, then you should read the guide to writing your first article.

If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the article (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this.  brew crewer  (yada, yada) 07:37, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Portal:Time/Selected biography/May 2008
Portal:Time/Selected biography/May 2008, a page you created, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Time/Selected biography/May 2008 and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of Portal:Time/Selected biography/May 2008 during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. <b style="color:#FF3300;">Yamara</b> ✉  15:09, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I entirely approve! <b style="color:#FF3300;">Yamara</b> ✉  19:32, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Masculine and Feminine
Thanks for your well written and eirenic comments.

Historically, my first edit to masculine was to replace what was currently there with a simple redirect.

Each additional step has been an attempt to address talk page discussion.

I'm not entirely happy that masculine rhyme or cadence actually deserve disambiguation—users seeking information about these would be unlikely to type masculine imo. Masculine ending and feminine ending seem the appropriate place for disambiguation of the relevant ideas. However, the book titles would seem the appropriate default for both the masculine and feminine ending namespaces.

With the simple adjectives (effectively obsolete as substantives), I can imagine (at a stretch) people (maybe second language users) typing these in haste when wanting generic information regarding either gender roles or grammatical gender.

So, although my preference would be for a redirect, I can come at having a redirect, and even extending it so far as to accomodate distinctly different usages.

The example you raise "feminine hygiene", as I'm sure you're aware, is attested as a significant example usage in some dictionaries. It is distinctive in various ways. We agree that a DAB link for it is inappropriate. I suspect our reasons overlap substantially. The main one, in my thinking at least, is that every popular collocation does not constitute a reasonable disambiguation. Masculine jaw gets more than 2.5k google hits, shoulders 1.7k and the more ambiguous masculine features almost 35,000. These are dwarfed by feminine hygiene which gets 1.3 million hits, or even feminine dress at over 50,000.

Now, we could throw scepticism at one another and demand reliable neutral sources and authoritative interpretation of Wiki policy, but I think there is plenty of evidence already on the talk pages of the articles. I'm perfectly happy to admit that sources clearly describe uses of feminine applied to men as being notable and negative, but the point is, the Oxford, I think rightly, still considers these as positive references to womanhood, just negative of a man if applied to him. In fact, I suspect we'd agree, against sources, that in more contemporary English, many traditionally feminine qualities are explicitly attributed in praise of "sensitive new age guys", indeed this is almost already a cliche.

I have more to say that we could discuss. But your approach is forceful, several times now you have reverted me without attempting to pursuade me first. I'm happy for you to draw others of a more collegiate approach to enter the discussion. Alastair Haines (talk) 22:37, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

It may not have been meant to be funny...
but "This results in troublesome efforts to achieve pleasant syntax, and it looks ugly, but it is what's done, and the rest of WikiProject Disambiguation will enforce this with a certain mercilessness. This I know from grim experience." (from Talk:Feminine) really cracked me up. I am sorry if you'd have some unfortunate run-ins with editors working in disambiguation pages. I just laughed at the idea of WikiProject Disambiguation editors carrying around baseball bats and harassing people. Thanks for the laugh, even if unintended. :D And thanks for trying to work things out at Feminine and Masculine. -- Nataly a 00:20, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * (reposted from User_talk:Natalya)
 * Funny depends on the audience
 * I try to be easy-going, but if you look at the history of Masculine and Feminine, the poster has his own way of understanding what "neutral" means, i.e. "normal" and "positive". --But the main issue for the Disambig project there is WP:DICT and a distracting non-dab link (Epicene). He won't let them go. Cheers, <b style="color:#FF3300;">Yamara</b> ✉  01:17, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * That misrepresents me Yamara. Since you have not attempted to discuss issues, but rather impose your interpretation unilaterally, you don't even know what I think.
 * As it turns out, I'd happily drop epicene. You are just plain wrong about WP:DICT, but it's never been an issue.
 * The main point is simple, you are simply wrong in your denial of the multiply verified fact that masculine is usually a term of positive reference. That has nothing to do with WP:DICT or epicene. It's a core part of the main meaning of the word being disambiguated based on all RS. Alastair Haines (talk) 06:11, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You have kept restoring epicene, nevertheless. My interpretation was based on your actions over your arguments. WP:DICT I take to mean as not defining antonyms, certainly not on a DAB with a Wiktionary link sitting right next to it.
 * I also promised my girlfriend I'd stop arguing on the internet. Cheers, 74.64.122.231 (talk) 16:50, 4 June 2008 (UTC) ← Me again. <b style="color:#FF3300;">Yamara</b> ✉  17:21, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Immortality
Your angle on immortality meshes with some quality Christian theology (and some that is not so good). The key search phrase would be teleology. This, of course, is to say absolutely nothing more than you do, but to sound more profound by saying it in Greek.

If you choose to mess with the theological material, the best of it is disappointingly serious unless you share the vision. But if I read you correctly, understanding time is a real passion. You are, in fact, so wrapped in it that you're willing to give a measure of grace even to speculative material, because at least it's talking about the right thing.

I think I've drifted into being more concerned with passions than purposes. Are purposes shaped by passions or by goals? Can goals ever be adequate to describe passions, in the same way they can be mapped to purposes?

Immortality strikes me as the ultimate human engagement with the concept of time.

The Bible makes a teleological statement with which you may be familiar. It is prefaced by, "He made everything beautiful in its time. Also he gave eternity in their hearts." This preface is poetic, the sentences match, parallel in grammatical structure. The objects of the verbs are marked, and moved to the front of the sentences—Everything is made beautiful (in its time) ... Eternity is given (in their hearts). The teleological statement follows.

Immortality is a goal. Hold that thought! Alastair Haines (talk) 12:24, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I have held no doubt about your passion for these subjects, and considered asking for your assistance on Immortality's Christianity section (as per the tag there) while we were distracting over the DABs. For my part, I would welcome your input.


 * I'm glad you appreciate my insight as to immortality being a goal. I think we can demonstrate this is not OR, if we are careful and strict about our references. We should therefore let the sources speak their passion, and leave interpretation to cautious and creative editing.


 * Just as a comment from a preceding note of yours, I welcome collegiate approaches, but if any encyclopedia exists outside an ivory tower, it's Wikipedia. I'm a realist in this regard, and tend to edit with the expectation that the average person will both expect to understand all non-technical entries, and have her say in them as well. Look forward to seeing you in Talk:Immortality. Cheers, 74.64.122.231 (talk) 16:50, 4 June 2008 (UTC) - Too much RL in between posts. This was me. -<b style="color:#FF3300;">Yamara</b> ✉  17:08, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Catherine of Aragon article
I have just received your message. As stated in my edit summary, I was fully aware of the controversy over C/K (and, indeed, have made my own opinion clear on the discussion page) so I was making an informed decision. If you feel the first part of the explanation at the top of the page is necessary in order to stop the problems, then of course revert it, giving your reasons for change, as I did. Sending me a message asking me to read the discussion on it (which I had stated that I already had) was unnecessary.Boleyn (talk) 06:12, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: Global login
Hi. Sorry for the dealy in replying. Well, as for unification itself, you can actually do it right now, but the account on the pt.wiki would remain unattached, that is still separate and independent from your global login. As a result, you would still be unable to login at pt.wiki using it &mdash; but you can login normally anywhere else. I have a similar situation myself on 2 separate wikis. As for taking over the username on pt.wiki, we would need to ask a local Bcrat. I can make the request in Portuguese on your behalf there, although all the Bcrats there do speak English, and they are probably already handling similar requests due to SUL. That doesn't affect your ability to create your global login right now though. What would happen is that, when the pt.wiki account gets renamed, the "username conflict" will disappear as your username will be "vacated" on pt.wiki, and you will be able to simply login there using your global username, without the need for any extra actions. In order to request that the pt.wiki account be renamed, however, it will be necessary to make certain verifications. If the user is active, or has been active recently (for example, last edit less than 6 months ago), the Bureaucrats will normally decline to rename it &mdash; unless it is a clear-cut vandal, such as in a case of identity theft. For the moment, we still don't have a process for the resolution of username conflicts for SUL purposes, so it may be the case that you might need to have pt.wiki simply left out of the projects where you can login with your unified account &mdash; that is my current situation at the Swedish-language Wikipedia: there is a local Redux, not me, who is a good-faith, active contributor, so I'm currently unable to usurp the username there, and as a result, I can't use my SUL account on sv.wiki. Cheers, Redux (talk) 20:34, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

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Yes :-)
Now's your chance. Please, say anything you like, see my post. I'll be responding at a subpage of my user page, or in talk at the ArbCom. It'll be yonks until I even read you perhaps, but I look forward to it. Cheers. Alastair Haines (talk) 18:13, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

D&D articles for Wikipedia 0.7
Hi there! :)

As someone who's worked on D&D and/or RPG articles before, I'm inviting you to participate in our goal to both improve articles that have been selected to be placed in the next Wikipedia DVD release, as well as nominate more to be selected for this project. Please see the WikiProject D&D talk page for more details. :) BOZ (talk) 19:23, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I see that you have put some work into the Gary Gygax article, which I have nominated for a GA review. If there is anything you can do to help it get passed, please join in! Also, feel free to comment on the D&D WikiProject talk page regarding our efforts to get articles in the 0.7 release. BOZ (talk) 03:12, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

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LAST YEAR'S EVENT


 * Wikipedia Takes Manhattan/Spring 2008 (a description of the results, and the uploading party)
 * Commons:Wikipedia Takes Manhattan/Gallery (our cool gallery)

WINNINGS? Prizes include a dinner for three with Wikipedia creator Jimmy Wales at Pure Food & Wine, gift certificates to Bicycle Habitiat and the LimeWire Store, and more!

WHEN The hunt will take place Saturday, September 27th from 1:00pm to 6:30pm, followed by prizes and celebration.

WHO All Wikipedians and non-Wikipedians are invited to participate in team of up to three (no special knowledge is required at all, just a digital camera and a love of the city). Bring a friend (or two)!

REGISTER The proper place to register your team is here. It's also perfectly possible to register on the day of when you get there, but it will be slightly easier for us if you register beforehand.

WHERE Participants can begin the hunt from either of two locations: one at Columbia University (at the sundial on college walk) and one at The Open Planning Project's West Village office. Everyone will end at The Open Planning Project:


 * Wikis Take Manhattan page at The Open Planning Project


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 * Between Greenwich & Washington Streets
 * By the 14th St./8th Ave. ACE/L stop

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Catherine of Aragon Article Grade
Could you help me find out how we can improve the article to an A and try and get it re assesed



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I see from the page history that you made this a disambiguation page back in June 2008. Not sure if you still have it on your watchlist or not, but I've made a major change to it (converted into a stub, and created Racial equality (disambiguation)). If you're interested, I'd welcome your input on Talk:Racial equality. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:23, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

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Hi, could you please look at the talk page for Ching Shih? It seems that you are the one who introduced 1785 as her estimated date of birth, in your edit of 2008-02-04T00:22:58. Did you have an independent source, or did you calculate it back from the year of her death in 1844? I did not want to correct it in the entry intself, as I might be wrong. Best, Fon (talk) 12:59, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

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Zygarchy denotes a two-vehicle battle-group and is not a "made-up word"
I am always suspicious of anyone who speaks of words, holidays, or any other purely human observations or artifacts as "made up". It's a weak ad-hominem attack, particularly since all language, with the possible exception of onomatopoeia, is by definition "made up." I completely agree with your condemnation of the re-definition of this word to suit the grinding of a particular axe, but suggest you lose the off-putting phrase "made-up word", which I usually only hear from white supremacists (who use it scornfully when denigrating Kwanza and Ebonics, among other things). That particular verbiage probably does your position more harm than good. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.153.180.229 (talk) 16:34, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
 * "Made-up" as in "fairy tale story" or "gag", yes. Obviously I meant it to depreciate the practical joker that was trying to reroute Gender equality to their special little paramilitary word.
 * gag (n.2) "a joke," 1863, especially a practical joke, probably related to theatrical sense of "matter interpolated in a written piece by the actor" (1847); or from the sense "made-up story" (1805); or from slang verbal sense of "to deceive, take in with talk" (1777), all of which perhaps are from gag (v.) on the notion of "to stuff, fill" (see gag (v.)). Gagster "comedian" is by 1932.
 * In case you didn't know, white supremacists like to ruin everything. You really ought not to quote, or even listen to them. <b style="color:#FF3300;">Yamara</b> ✉  18:26, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

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Henry James Sumner Maine NPOV
Greetings Yamara. The Maine article does look as if it's from a Britannica biography written a long time ago. I'm vexed to find that the sections on publications, references and links present last time I looked at the article have been removed, especially as these were sections I added and which are not in the Britannica article. When I've more time I'll check the 'history' to see when this excision occurred and why - or could you? I'd be v.grateful. The removal of such key sections erodes NPOV, removing evidence for views that may or may not be 'neutral'. See the unedited version of the Wiki piece on Maine in that appears in New World Encyclopedia at http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Henry_Maine

The Maine article isn't mine. I contributed the photo of Maine as a young man from a family archive - drawing room cupboard, bottom shelf of my mother's dresser (her maiden name, Barbara Maine). I'm aware of controversies about Maine's work - from the time they were published - and the likelihood that the neutrality of a Wiki piece about him might be challenged. As author of other Wiki articles - Handsworth Park, Denys Rayner, Jack Hargreaves - I'm used to the iterative method of modifying articles. I wish you could have changed the Maine article the same way, by adding or questioning facts that can be substantiated rather than posting a neutrality dispute. I'd have something to go on!

I'd very much like to contribute to the article's NPOV. Who do you consider could referee a dispute - which may well be shared - about its neutrality? Your point relates to opinion rather than fact. No 'fact' is neutral and Wiki is all about debating them, but an opinion is a debate. So where do we go from here? Add a less favourable opinion? That's not Wiki.

You wrote in June 2010 'I came to this page after reading an excerpt of Harold J. Laski, 1921, from Karl Marx: An Essay, pg. 43-45, in which he writes that "No group of men who exercise the powers of a despot can ever retain the habit of democratic responsibility. That is obvious, for instance, in the case of men like Sir Henry Maine and Fitzjames Stephen, who, having learned in India the habit of autocratic government, became impatient on their return to England of the slow process of persuasion which democracy implies."

What facts - new or old - are disputable as undermining the article's NPOV standing? What facts suggest the article is 'favourable' to its subject? Without these your opinion remains an opinion supported by an opinion. If you could list even one of the facts that might support yours or Laski's opinion, it could be researched amended or restated, and indeed you could do that yourself according to the law of Wiki.

Can you verify Laski's impute that Maine "learned in India the habit of autocratic government" given that the essence of his foremost work 'Ancient Law' was the discovery by a European of the genius of the Indian panchayat laws of tort, and that Maine's reputation derived from a unique critique from within of the imposition of British Law in India, and his work while on the Council of India in formulating a system of law based on extensive research into and respect for indigenous law - a method pioneered by Maine, unprecedented within a Colonial power. What facts suggest Maine became "impatient on (his)... return to England of the slow process of persuasion which democracy implies"? Do you refer to Maine's essays on Popular Government? These included criticisms of democracy, but not ones in favour of autocracy, as Laski's criticism implies. His argument was that democracy without constant constitutional revision, and attention to the rule of law risked being exploited by unscrupulous men (and women) as a form of populist dictatorship comparable to the monarchy it had replaced. In that respect Maine serves, to this day, as a vade mecum for those who want the ideal of democracy to work but have no illusions about human fallibility.

I agree that history needs to be and is constantly being rewritten to reflect the great shifts in perspective on international power relations since Maine's era, but I would think that it would be fair to credit him with having been one who did not share the view that the population of India during that time were inferiors, needing the beneficial attention of the laws and culture of a superior power; quite the opposite.

I don't dispute the talent of Laski, nor the towering genius of Marx. For this reason their opinion of Maine might certainly be a counter-balance to the imputation that the Wiki article, as well as being transferred from Britannica, is, in your opinion, overly favourable to its subject. My difficulty is finding the fact or facts that we ought to take into account in substantiating the opinion of Laski, who like Marx was not unknown for being disputatious. Absence of 'Laski-like opinion' doesn't constitute an incorrect fact.

As I've said, I've no idea who posted the original article. I believe Maine's latest biographer Feaver thought it acceptable - an opinion of course. You've got me interested enough to at least try and contribute, like you, to improving the piece. If I was being sentimental I'd argue it's the obligation of a descendant.

I've re-studied Wiki guidance on NPOV, including its first point: 'The vast majority of neutrality disputes are due to a simple confusion: one party believes "X" to be a fact, and—this party is mistaken—that if a claim is factual, it is therefore neutral. The other party either denies that "X" is a fact, or that everyone would agree that it is a fact. In such a dispute, the first party needs to re-read the Neutral Point of View policy. Even if something is a fact, or allegedly a fact, that does not mean that the bold statement of that fact is neutral.'

Having looked over Wiki's Neutral Point of View policy I'm unsure where to go. Could you give me the facts you have in mind or are you going to insist on sending me or someone else off to find them? You're expert on the conventions of Wikipedia. Your help is sincerely requested. Simon Baddeley (talk) 23:42, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Many thanks Yamara re Maine NPOV
But I wonder where I should go to seek resolution of the dispute on the Henry Maine? I'd like to avoid just removing it as I suspect there's always something to be done to improve NPOV. I also take your point about Sir Mountstuart Grant Duff's ecomium written to draw attention to the theme of the current dispute on the article e.g. 'Maine warned his countrymen against the insularity that results from ignorance of all law and institutions save one's own; his example has shown the benefit of the contrary habit.' I'd also like to understand why the works and references that I've now restored were removed. I respect the cognitive surplus deficit but even so any help would be much appreciated. I'll adjust the Victorian praise - or try to. I have the book in question to hand on a shelf devoted to Maine's work including many obituary cuttings from the time of Maine's death. You know what's really galling is that Lady Maine, my great great grandmother destroyed all his correspondence - with people like Dickens, Darwin and other contemporaries, after selling their signatures on the autograph market. That's family history I'm afraid and not veriable other than by word of mouth from my 93 year old mother, Barbara, who knew her great grandmother in childhood. Simon Baddeley (talk) 06:43, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Template:Time topics
Wanted to say nice job with the box. I was thinking of creating a sidebar with some relevant concepts, but found yours covers it. A sidebox might not make any sense. -Stevertigo (t | log | c) 23:54, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

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Science by press conference
Looking forward to collaborating with you on the Science by press conference article. Jokestress (talk) 20:01, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

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You assessed the Beatrix Schuba article back in 2007. Would you be willing to reassess it or direct it to those who could do so? Thank you. --Sephiroth9611 (talk) 17:47, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

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Gus Elen Article Assessment
I noticed that you posted comments regarding assessment of the Gus Elen article on the article's Talk page back in June, 2007, and would like to request your assistance in reviewing the article's current Stub assessment. I am reviewing the article pursuant to a recent WikiProject Biography assessment request submitted by User:Cassianto. The article has been expanded since your comments over four years ago, and I need assistance in determining whether the article qualifies as Start-class or C-class. Any assistance you can provide would be most appreciated. --TommyBoy (talk) 22:44, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I have recently upgraded the article to Start-class, but please feel free to share your thoughts on the article assessment. --TommyBoy (talk) 07:19, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia Goes to the Movies in NYC this Saturday Dec 1
You are invited to Wikipedia Goes to the Movies in NYC, an editathon, Wikipedia meet-up and workshops focused on film and the performing arts that will be held on Saturday, December 1, 2012, at the New York Public Library for the Performing Arts (at Lincoln Center), as part of the Wikipedia Loves Libraries events being held across the USA.

All are welcome, sign up on the wiki and at meetup.com!--Pharos (talk) 08:18, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Celebration and Mini-Conference in NYC Saturday Feb 23
You are invited to celebrate Wikipedia Day and the 12th anniversary (!) of the founding of the site at Wikipedia Day NYC on Saturday February 23, 2013 at New York University; sign up for Wikipedia Day NYC here, or at bit.ly/wikidaynyu. Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues!

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience!--Pharos (talk) 03:32, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Nadira (Skybreaker character)


The article Nadira (Skybreaker character) has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
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Wikipedia Meetup NYC this Sunday April 14
Hi Yamara! You're invited to our next meeting for Wikipedia Meetup NYC on Sunday April 14 -this weekend- at Symposium Greek Restaurant @ 544 W 113th St (in the back room), on the Upper West Side in the Columbia University area.

Please sign up, and add your ideas to the agenda for Sunday. Thanks!

Delivered on behalf of User:Pharos, 18:04, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Upcoming Saturday events - March 1: Harlem History Editathon and March 8: NYU Law Editathon
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Proposed deletion of Camp Wyonegonic


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Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:40, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Saturday June 21: Wiki Loves Pride
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Drawing of Kim Jong-un
Do you draw well? If so, we could really use your skills. Please see this. Many thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:56, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Thursday December 4: NYC Wiki-Salon and Skill Share
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Saturday February 7 in NYC: Black Life Matters Editathon
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Saturday October 3: WikiArte Latin America Edit-a-thon @ MoMA
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