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Matschiner
My apologies: I should have scrolled down. Thanks for your re-edit, which was more polite than I deserved. Drmies (talk) 00:46, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about it; sometimes I do indeed have a brain fart and don't actually improve the article :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 00:51, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Very impressive, Yngvadottir. Ha, I was in the Elbe Sandstein one time, and it still said "Hitler 1938" where a stretch of it ended. Drmies (talk) 02:11, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Heh, thanks. The things we don't have articles on ... Yngvadottir (talk) 05:20, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorting Icelandic names – Eiríkr Magnússon
Please stop messing with sorting of the Eiríkr Magnússon article in categories. Icelandic names should be sorted by the first name in categories closely related to Icelandic people only. General categories, like 1833 births, should keep the general sorting by last name (wether it is a family name, like in most countries in Europe and Americas, or patronymic name, like in Iceland). Please see WP:SUR rules and its 'Icelandic names' paragraph. --CiaPan (talk) 06:56, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

GA/DYK RfC
I started a draft RfC in my Userspace. Please feel free to contribute. I intend to directly ask two people who opposed the proposal to assist in the drafting of the RfC (yourself and Prioryman) and one other supporter other than myself (John Vandenberg) as a start to ensure it is written in the best way possible while adhering to a NPOV.-- Gilderien Chat&#124;List of good deeds 15:04, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
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Palais Leuchtenberg
Who was Konig Max I. Joseph? May like to add his name.-- Nvvchar . 18:03, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Maximilian I Joseph of Bavaria, Ludwig I's father, so some sources on the palace are describing Eugène de Beauharnais as his son-in-law rather than as Ludwig's brother-in-law. I have just checked and don't see any reason to work him into the article. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:13, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Great job on Palais Ludwig Ferdinand. Can you translate Erik Gabrielsson Emporagrius from Swedish, it is the 6 millionth entry on wikidata.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  14:42, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Wow, that was quick!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  16:06, 5 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Hope it works for you :-) I must now check the rest of my watchlist, depoop the back garden, rewrite a Reichsautobahn paragraph, create and populate a category ... and fix up Odeonsplatz. Preferably before lunch. :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 16:25, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Great job on the theatres, spotted Stefán Einarsson redlinked, can you translate from Icelandic?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  20:20, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * He's been on my list for a long time, poor chap, but will take a while to research. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:44, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Na, let that one pass, we could go for the bigger prize and get Reichsautobahn to GA, it looks super-well researched. Sweet dreams, Guten Nacht!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  20:43, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Gawds no, I don't do GA, plus it isn't stable yet, I am integrating a thesis in pdf that keeps crashing my reader. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:45, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Why don't you do GA? I can understand FA of course... Photo of Einar here, looks PD but can't be sure.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  14:12, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Heh, how intense. Pity, but I agree, there is no indication we can use that. Looking at your userpage, I see we disagree quite radically about GA. I know having that and FA encourages people to create and improve content, and that's great. I also think FA is a great thing to have prominently featured on the Main Page, and would support having a GA there too if a step by step RfC ever gets organised on that issue as proposed. But I don't work here for awards, they actually embarrass me a bit. I like the multiplicity of purposes DYK fulfils, and for me personally, the enjoyable one was sharing interesting titbits with people. (Note edit summary here.) Other than the motivational aspect - for those who, unlike me, are ambitious or just like getting recognition - I'm disturbed by the notion of ranking articles by quality. It's always going to be subjective (and the articles I have been most involved with that were considered for and ultimately awarded GA standing were bad examples of that), and by stamping a seal of approval on evaluations of articles it runs counter to the wiki principles of never being finished and of an unforseeable number of editors working together in a largely unforseeable manner, as opposed to work being assigned or overseen by experts designated in advance (I suspect we are both good examples of the kind of person who would be passed over in a conventional encyclopaedic project). Apart from anything else, the encyclopaedia abounds in excellent articles that have never received such an imprimatur (and excellent editors who have never received such recognition), and there will always be a lot of those because tastes vary. Demonstrably someone thought those bad examples merited the label of GA. '-) This kind of competition corrodes collegiality and causes hurt feelings - especially when people leap to the conclusion that the GAs and FAs are the best articles on en.wikipedia. I know the Foundation thinks this way, but I'm reminded of when I was a little girl and had to have it pointed out to me that the winner of a national beauty contest was not necessarily the most beautiful girl in the country. So long as it's an incentive to giving us good stuff that is not taken too seriously, GA is almost entirely a win. But take it that seriously, and no it isn't. And it isn't something that appeals to me. I'm pretty sure someone from the Roads project is going to come along and say, "Ewww, the technical specifications section is totally inadequate, and there's no exhaustive list of routes, and not even a 1943 map." If they and/or their mates then improve the heck out of it to their satisfaction, they should feel free to nom it for GA. That would be wonderful :-) But not me, no way. Yngvadottir (talk) 21:52, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Can you translate Göran Zachrisson?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  14:06, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Looks good, thanks.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  17:00, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Odin Rewrite Launch Status
Hello! How far do you think we are from launch here? This would, of course, replace all of the strangely fragmented Odin articles we have into one. This article is probably seeing more than the usual action by way of that new Vikings series. I wish I had some free time to invest in getting it more up to snuff, but I think we're well on our way to it being ready to go live. &#58;bloodofox: (talk) 04:06, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll have a look. Ugh, don't mention that Vikings series, I hear elseweb all kinds of horrors about it. Yngvadottir (talk) 04:22, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
Hz.  tiang  01:19, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Max von Widnmann
Hello! Your submission of Max von Widnmann at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Brianhe (talk) 00:52, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Oops just noticed you did not submit this! I'll re-post at the appropriate user talk page. — Brianhe (talk) 00:54, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
 * No, she hadn't told me she'd nominated it, although I'd found out when I was checking "What links here" '-) In case you're looking here (I can't participate at DYK any longer so I'm in a bit of an odd situation when someone nominates something I've worked on) I have now fixed the reference problem. The fact the Schiller statue in German Village in Columbus, Ohio is a re-casting of his work would make a better hook in my view, but the Ohioans don't seem to know who is responsible for the Munich statue, so I haven't been able to find a reference for that or I would have added it on that line in the works section. Yngvadottir (talk) 21:35, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry if I caused a problem by the nomination. I didn't inform (only) you but everybody watching the article by a note on the talk. I am open to suggestions but prefer something with picture for someone creating visible art, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:01, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem, I take it it was supposed to be a happy surprise :-) Anyway, I think I've fixed the problem that was raised with the original hook. Yngvadottir (talk) 04:18, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Antonio Montiel
FYI: Sockpuppet investigations/Lupe-340. This has been repeatedly deleted and salted as Antonio montiel, and also under half a dozen other titles. Also deleted and at least one of the socks blocked on Spanish WP. JohnCD (talk) 22:00, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Question About Snail Page
Hello Yngvadottir,

Earlier today I edited the Snail page. It seems to need a lot of work and needs to be better coordinated with the Gastropoda, Land Snail, Sea Snail and Reproductive system of gastropods pages.

I tried to do a little clean up and try for some consistency on the page, but gave up when I saw how much substantial reworking would be needed to bring it up to WP standard. I know nearly nothing about gastropods!

Still, I think that consistency and clarity are better served by having a link at the top where other similar related links are. The link that you refer to as the reason for undoing the link I added is in a poor location visually and is not really about the precise topic supposedly covered by that section of the article.

I'm not interested in any sort of edit war; the page is poorly organized and needs help. If you can improve it further, more power to you.

But I'd appreciate it if you would try to consider how the page works for a person who first approaches it fresh, rather than as an editor who appears to be more interested in limiting links to one location on the page, regardless of the apparent purpose of those links. If you do that, I'm pretty sure you might prefer consistency at the outset rather than having a link buried in the middle of the article.

Perhaps there is a more specific link within the article of Land snails to which the habitat information could be linked.

If there are specific WP rules about these sorts of links, I'd appreciate it if you could direct me to them.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.6.72.207 (talk) 06:01, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, thought I was still signed in! DDugan (talk) 06:22, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Yngvadottir, I will take your suggestion and post a question or two to the Snail page. I agree with you that "Land snail" is a better choice than "terrestrial snail" in the context. The page just needs too much work for a nonexpert to handle properly.

DDugan (talk) 17:18, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

WikiCup 2013 March newsletter
We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate  (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with WikiWomen's History Month. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist Niels Bohr, on the European hare , on the constellation Circinus ( and ) and on the Third Epistle of John. All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

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Bangui
Hi! Happy Easter! You speak French don't you? I was wondering if you could use this to expand Bangui further. We need about 3 kb for a 5x expansion. It has info on things like banks, hotels, restaurants, sports clubs etc. Can you add as much as you can from browsing it?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  12:30, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Glæd Ēostrantīd back atcha :-) I'll see what I can do, but no promises. I have several plates in my lap already and I have come down with an abominable lurgy. Yngvadottir (talk) 15:11, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * ...I see you managed without me, good; I am still not fit for purpose, and that appeared to be just a guidebook. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:14, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Max von Widnmann formatting
With respect I think reverting to the old formatting on Max von Widnmann is a mistake. Have you tried reading the article on a mobile device with each style? Keep in mind that people read Wikipedia with a broad diversity of browsers, screen resolutions, devices, apps, etc. and how it looks on one particular browser isn't a good guide to what it looks like for many people. I'm especially puzzled over rejecting the template:Infobox artist; infoboxes have so many advantages in biographical articles. — Brianhe (talk) 21:09, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Infoboxes are optional, and in such a short article I see no advantage at all - all it does is push the pictures further down. As I understand it the main reason behind them has to do with metadata, and that's putting readers second to reuse by other companies' computers. I can see the argument for them with ships, where they lay out complex information in a clear format, and with buildings on the National Register of Historic Places (although the line defining style in such an infobox is almost always an instance of reduction, which is a typical infobox feature). As to mobile devices, what I've seen is that illustrations are always a problem on those; I chose the particular style of gallery to make the pictures all viewably large (and will reduce or remove the duplicate Castor/Pollux pic once the article has had its DYK appearance) and I know that style of gallery must be a mess on a mobile phone; just as it became 2 lines after your reformatting, presumably it's 5 huge lines on a phone? I don't know of a solution to the very different screen sizes, but it isn't sticking in an infobox, which is further bulk for someone to have to scroll through. Yngvadottir (talk) 04:07, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Kashmir HRV
... and given the events of the last 24 - 36 hours, you may now understand why I replied as I did to your message on my talk page. I am withdrawing: the dispute is almost certain to end up at a drama board, as is usual for this group of contributors. I spend enough time on such boards without getting drawn into a multi-article POV battle between the same group of people and that, imo, really can only be resolved by topic bans pretty much all round. It is entrenched India vs Pakistan stuff. - Sitush (talk) 23:31, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank You
Respected Yngvadottir.

Thank you for your suggestion.I know that we Indians whether Naturalized like me or Native like anybody else,we do not have capacity to colonize anywhere and we create stirrs,that is why we are hated and we are avoided.

From now onwards,until i learn how to edit in an encyclopedic way,as suggested by Wikipedia User:Doc, i will just do small edits from now onwards.

I remember 2 months ago,when an indian editor had edited the history of India by adding a new sub-article called as Biochlim Conflict,a war between the Indian empire and the Portugese empire, and he was supposed to get the Administrator status and the award of Wikipedia's golden star research award, he gave great sources,but then it was revealed that such a war never existed, and it came in the front page of many leading international newspapers.

And the name of India in the internet world was ruined,unlike my fellow indian editor, i do not imagine things, i know it is definetly like this, but need to research properly for getting a really good source to prove what is what.

Your Fellow Editor

Adarsh Aich Sarkar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adarsh the Creator (talk • contribs) 03:43, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Danish film score composers
Hi. Thanks for your help! Should be able to significantly improve it further looking through the films of imdb and then sourcing to books.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  16:57, 13 April 2013 (UTC)


 * One of those encyclopedias I cited has over 30 hits for him, on the importance of his work to the given film. It should be possible to source all the songs in the song list, at least, even without reading Danish. One point though - that chap edited that work. The author of the bio was TH or some other inscrutable initial. Hence my use of passive voice. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:02, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Not sure what your Estonian is like but you might find more for Ann Tenno.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  11:08, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Even less than my Finnish; I just noted and fixed an anachronism :-) --Yngvadottir (talk) 12:22, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

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Translation of the article.
Then, if you can not the preceding articles , you can translate in Norwegian Austrian Chess Federation , and Ernst Grünfeld. After it, it will be good. 92.149.11.198 (talk) 08:24, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Front yard
Further to your comments at the AFD for the above article, I was wondering if you might have a look at the article as it is now and let me know if you had any further comments. I understand you have plenty on "your plate" but I would appreciate some input. I have asked some others for their thoughts too. Feel free to comment on the talk page. Cheers, Stalwart 111  09:44, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll try to have a look :-) What I was thinking of doing was adding a reference to Jackson's Semi-Detached London (ISBN 9780049020030), which I either have out from the library or hope to be able to get again later today, and then do a search for other studies of the front garden. When I last saw the article, there was also a crying need for pictures from varying countries. I'm happy to leave the broad structure of the article to others, so long as it covers the "front garden" as well as the usually quite different "front yard". I hope we've succeeded in saving it at AfD; if so there's time enough to rewrite it. But as I say, I'll have a look - just no promises of alacrity. Yngvadottir (talk) 11:56, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I think that would be a useful addition. There is now an image for each section (divided by country, region in the case of Europe though I'd be happy to divide that further). Please feel free to add as you see fit! But please don't feel pressured to do so; as you say, hopefully it will survive AFD so there is certainly no rush. Stalwart 111  12:51, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Dennis Donaghy
Thank you for the copyedit. I changed back a correction I had made (incorrect statement about copyright office) that I think you inadvertedly reverted. FYI, the article subject is continuing to edit the article, though in apparent good faith, and a future copyedit will definitely be needed. I'd previously added the copyedit flag, but it was removed by the subject (he objected to the articles I pointed to for comparison). Revent (talk) 22:27, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm sorry, I edit conflicted with you and ran a "see changes" before saving but evidently missed that one. He'd been on IRC so I had had a look at the history and seen that you had wanted a copyedit. Thanks for all the work you're doing shaping it up! Yngvadottir (talk) 04:01, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

blackfish
Thank you to let me know, about my mistake sorry about that.

I tying to translate pages from English to Portuguese. How I can create a relationship between the original in English and new translation in Portuguese?

If you have time Could you give some direction or links how to do this. I'll be grateful.

Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pauloemenon (talk • contribs) 16:20, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

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THANK YOU
I already responded on my talk page, but I'm not sure if you're watching my page. I just wanted to say I plan to use your guidelines in future articles. Also thank you for contributing to my articles. I hope you continue to do so. Evangp (talk) 17:17, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! Hope it helps! I've now added more references (and artists' names) at Jaap Edenhal - you'll find Google has stuff under Jaap Edenhall and Jaap Eden Hall. I have a personal interest in the Nazi-era Thingstätten - look here if you haven't already, for then and now pics (which we cannot unfortunately upload). Yngvadottir (talk) 18:03, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

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We are a week into Round 3, but it is off to a flying start, with claiming for the high-importance Portal:Sports and Portal:Geography (which are the first portals ever awarded bonus points in the WikiCup) and  claiming for a did you know of sea, the highest scoring individual did you know article ever submitted for the WikiCup. Round 2 saw very impressive scores at close; first place and second place  both scored over 1000 points; a feat not seen in Round 2 since 2010. This, in part, has been made possible by the change in the bonus points rules, but is also testament to the quality of the competition this year. Pool C and Pool G were most competitive, with three quarters of participants making it to Round 3, while Pool D was the least, with only the top two scorers making it through. The lowest qualifying score was 123, significantly higher than last year's 65, 2011's 41 or even 2010's 100.

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About Annelies Nuy
Yngvadottir, I can find very little press coverage of Ms Nuy. To WP:AfD? --Shirt58 (talk) 11:07, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I've found more by searching on her company name - am about to make a redirect out of that. Some of it is at fibre2fashion.com, which is blacklisted, but not all. Have a look at the version I just saved; I think it's borderline, so if you agree or think it's subpar, yes, let's take it to AfD. Yngvadottir (talk) 11:24, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Gregorian Tower
Hi don't know if you also understand Italian but this needs translation from German and Italian.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  15:08, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

That's great thanks, not sure if Nvv auto translated the German, probably worth another check tomorrow with German wikipedia to ensure its been done smoothly.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  18:29, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Can you proof/translate the rest of Museo storico vaticano?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  13:13, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Rather well-endowed...♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  16:01, 9 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Heh, yeah, kind of the architectural equivalent of a flame-red Testarossa ... Vatican Historical Museum looks to be shaping up nicely, sorry, only now have consecutive keyboard time. Looking at Freilichtbühne Mülheim an der Ruhr '-) Yngvadottir (talk) 17:50, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Annelies Nuy
I've restored and made these edits to reduce the promotional tone. I think the primary function of the article is to promote the brand, and I'm not convinced of the notability, but I'll leave it to you to improve/afd as you see fit, cheers  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  05:13, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

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Translation of an article.
Hello. Could you help me to translate it in English, please ? I need somebody to do it. Norvégien Joan Warner (talk) 17:59, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll have a look at it, but there will need to be a couple of independent references, either already in the French article or added to the English one after translating. I've made a couple of format changes to your message to make it clearer and to prevent this page being linked to that one by a bot. Apologies for that. Now to look at the page ... Yngvadottir (talk) 18:04, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I have done what I said you. But I 'd like to translate Austrian Bridge Federation and Paul Stern in Norwegian, please. It is my two lasts requests. If you want answer me , you can write a message on my discussion page. 109.214.192.120 (talk) 17:56, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Translations in Norwegian : Austrian Bridge Federation, Österreichischer Bridgesportverband ÖBV , Osterrikes Bridgesportforbund. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.214.192.120 (talk) 18:12, 23 April 2013 (UTC)


 * As I said on your talkpage, I'm afraid I can't. But no:Østerrikes Bridgesportforbund was deleted in May 2012 (as cross-wiki vandalism). So another approach that a bridge enthusiast could take would be to ask the deleting admin to userfy the content? Yngvadottir (talk) 19:38, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Brésilien And now, could you translate in English these articles Fédération brésilienne de bridge and that Confédération brésilienne des échecs , please ? 109.214.192.120 (talk) 16:57, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll have a try, although I won't be able to do much with the Portuguese :-) But I have some other tasks to do first, so give me a few days. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:11, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Finally, I'd like to you translate in Norwegian these pages , American Contract Bridge League , United States Bridge Federation , and Ely Culbertson Just that If you can. 92.146.137.219 (talk) 16:41, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I can't translate into Norwegian, as referred to above. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:43, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * But there are two articles to translate in Norwegian,Austrian Chess Federation,Ernst Grünfeld. 92.149.10.229 (talk) 15:40, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I can't do it - they would block me on no.wikipedia for incompetence. Yngvadottir (talk) 15:44, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Then, could you find somebody to translate this and it and that in Norwegian , please ? 92.149.10.229 (talk) 10:12, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Football stats
Both the stats for Lineker and Hernandez are on the the Wiki article already with sources. THeir infoboxes were just incorrect. Please be more observant before reverting correct stats. --Nowoco 10:45, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Yvette Laclé
Hi, can you translate this from Dutch? It's been prodded for deletion.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  21:23, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Mmm it seems to be a controversial BLP, if you don't want to edit it don't worry about it, I understand. But deleting articles just because they're controversial above notable I think is wrong.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  21:56, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

TradeIndia Page
hi, as suggested, i have added links to the text within the article. I have also tried to put the references in correct format. hope this is ok. and the template can be removed. Also request you to suggest other changes that can be done to the page. thanks for your help. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TradeIndia. Moonisrahman (talk) 17:37, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. the page is looking good now.Moonisrahman (talk) 02:40, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Dutch Table Tennis Federation
Néerlandais Could you translate that in English Fédération néerlandaise de tennis de table, please ? Autrichien I need you to translate that, too , please ?

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 * I can probably do both of those, but have other things I need to do first. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:51, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * This is a long time cross wiki vandal see here. MoiraMoira (talk) 11:14, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

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Oia, Greece
Hi! Can you translate this from German wiki?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  13:39, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

That's awesome, great!! I have a Lonely Planet Traveller calendar and the picture for June is Oia!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  21:47, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

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BASICS - Bibliodrama
Could you have a look? It's in Icelandic and the Google version looks a bit less than coherent, but it doesn't look really notable to me. Thanks if you can. Peridon (talk) 18:02, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Gone; I wish they would wait a bit before deleting FL things as "no indication of notability". This is it. Also this. I see we have something like three hits on bibliodrama, which might be the logical place to cover it. At a first glance I also don't think it's notable, but it hits a bias of mine, so I wish they'd left the article in place to be translated and tested at AfD - if you or anyone you know who's into Bible stuff feels differently about notability after checking those and other sources (I searched BASICS, Grundtvig but there are names of academics there that might lead to better results), I'll gladly do a basic write-up and/or make the deleted article into a redirect. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:19, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Only person I know who's into Bible stuff is Yopienso. She's not on so very often these days - too much going on off-wiki. Might be worthwhile having a word on her page, just in case. Peridon (talk) 20:34, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, I tend to think this Bibliodrama may be notable. (But then, I lean to the inclusionist side.) Rationale, in no particular order:
 * Excerpt from personal website of one Tamar Pelleg:
 * Bibliodrama draws some of its techniques from Psychodrama, a method of group therapy originated by J.L.Moreno (1941), in which group members explore, in action, the roles they play in their various relationships. This action-based role exploration helps participants gain insights into their beliefs and behavior patterns. Bibliodrama was created and developed by Dr. Peter Pitzele of NYC in the early 1980's, and is now recognized as a principal methodology in the field of contemporary Midrash.
 * Pelleg has taught Hebrew at the U. of Maryland and at Geo. Washington U. (Independently verifiable.)
 * Peter Pitzele is for real, but not notable.
 * Professor Björn Krondorfer at St. Mary's College of Maryland heads up a Bibliodrama workshop, which seems to be international in scope.
 * Numerous links to German sites, including de.Wikipedia.


 * Mmm, but, the more I look, the less notable it seems. Interesting, though. I would include it in en.Wikipedia, but I couldn't put up a worthy fight against deletion. Yopienso (talk) 05:45, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

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Nother Italian, Scipione Cobelluzzi, auto translated text is hidden in article!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  17:51, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Heh, thanks :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 21:29, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Casa del Arte (Concepción, Chile) might interest you, needs translation from Spanish.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  19:43, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll have a look, but can't promise speed, and a bunch of people can read Spanish better than me so I suspect someone else may get to this one sooner. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:50, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Barnstar of Integrity

 * PS, I saw your post at AN before you rv'd it. It's fine with me if you put it back ;-) Pumpkin Sky   talk  22:33, 16 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks :-) That's almost embarrassing - I'm really sorry I wasn't there at the time to help. But as I understand it the Code of Conduct requires it to be reverted. Yngvadottir (talk) 22:41, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
 * This thread on your page...that helps too. Pumpkin Sky   talk  22:42, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you
I was actually wondering if that should just be removed from that page and glad that I saw that you did that because I now know that my first thought was correct. What does it mean that it is only a DAB page? TattØØdẄaitre§ lĖTŝ tÅLĶ  '' 17:15, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
 * DAB = disambiguation; I meant that Joy goes to a disambiguation page, the same place as the Joy (disambiguation) that you piped the link to. I looked back in the history to see whether there had ever been a page on joy that wasn't a disambiguation page, but couldn't find one. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:18, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
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Sergei Azarov
Howdy. Can you German proof? If you have a mo, can you expand Gustava Aigner too using that Landsmuseum PDF source? ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  21:00, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Azarov done, but I'll have to leave looking for more sources on him and looking at Aigner for either later today or a subsequent day, have a rather full card at the moment. Yngvadottir (talk) 21:35, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Excellent, thanks. Yeah it's a more obscure one, I think I was looking for a topic in the Gondwana article and came across it in some article.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  10:16, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Came across Węgorzyno, can you translate?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  16:19, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Rather pass on that one, thanks. Yngvadottir (talk) 16:51, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

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Delete request of User:Tbhotch
Hi, please delete User:Tbhotch (all with talk page and contributions). Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 183.171.178.109 (talk) 07:31, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
 * No. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:07, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Muggeseggele
Hallo Yngvadottir - if you like to have some fun with a special southern german expression, have a look on it. Cheers Serten (talk) 23:00, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
 * LOL yeah, a microscopic bit of fun. Yngvadottir (talk) 23:22, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Invitation for a Wikipedia Honor Code
Hallo Yngvadottir, I have developed a sort of honor code for Wikipedians, based on the Toastmasters promise and the first members have joined the order on the de:WP. The order is called the "Pfarrerstochter" (The parsons daughter) with some allegations to a 19th century informal german fraternity stammtisch and to Theodore Hook. I think a honor code combined with a sort of ribbon ar bable which is carried by authors willing to work accordingly on their user sites would be helpful for WP. I would like to have your feedback on that in general. And if you want to join, youre very much welcome.


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 * Thanks for the invitation, I recognise it as an honour and I agree with you that honourable behaviour is important on Wikipedia; but I must decline. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:07, 25 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Thats the case, independent wether you join or not. If you could provide a feedback for the code as such, that would help me to improve it. Serten (talk) 05:13, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Deletion
Interesting to see the message above, I had a request to delete all evidence of User:100loves from a similar but different ISP. What's cracking off?

You are right, I should talk to the AFC reviewer.

With regard to the urban exploration article, I used a machine translation to get the gist of the content. In this case it was clear that it was basically an unstructured list of two or three walks in cities with no real content or logic. I sometimes add a line, in addition to the actual reason for deletion, indicating other potential problems, most commonly "not in English" or "unsourced biography of a living person". I intended this to help if the creator wants to have another go. Is this a bad idea?
 * I'm not sure how that line is supposed to be used, and since it doesn't have a pull-down menu I've always had trouble when I want to cite 2 different reasons, but I also think it's good to give as many hints as possible. The problem is that "not in English" implies the foreign language is in itself a deletion criterion. I tend to add things like that in parentheses "(in Romanian)" unless it's A10 or A2. But I see you did examine the content. I fear not all deleting admins do. Yngvadottir (talk) 05:59, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks,  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  05:24, 26 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm trying to make sense of the Propinquity history. It looks as if it was declined (twice) by User:Theonesean, then moved anyway. Have I got that right? I don't want to leave a message on the wrong page  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  05:36, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. Created by User:Anakowi. Declined twice by one AfC reviewer (User:Theonesean), accepted by another (User:Jamesx12345). Some of the promotional material - notably the "where can I buy it" info in the lede - appears to have been added by User:Fred Biggin starting here. Anakowi didn't edit it between its move to article space and its deletion, User:DGG didn't template them that s/he was nominating it for deletion, and in any case since they didn't edit between their second note to Theonesean about the rejection of the article and resubmitting it (29 May), and their first message to you (24 June), they probably didn't know it had either been created, changed, or put up for deletion. I think it did merit more of a check, but by DGG as well as you. Yngvadottir (talk) 05:59, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Bit of a mess really. I've made encouraging noises to User:Anakowi, and offered my help if wanted, I'm not sure that I would want to restore an earlier edit, but if you disagree, let me know (incidentally, I'm watching this page temporarily, so no need to ping)  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  06:52, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure why Anakawi wasn't notified. I use twinkle,and I set it to always notify. This may be some odd AfC-related interaction--I shall have to do some testing. I have no objection to undeleting it and sending it to AfD, but I don't think the award is insufficient to show the notability, and the readers comments are just readers comments, not reviews.  DGG ( talk ) 07:46, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * @DGG: The last version is in Anakowi's sandbox now, Jimfbleak put it there. I suspect that is indeed a problem with Twinkle and AfC-created articles; it was also originally moved to AfC from a sandbox space, so that complicated history might have been a factor? Dunno, I don't use anything automated. But I don't see a notification edit by you before or after you nominated it for speedy deletion.


 * I think in such cases it would be ideal if the AfC accepter also received notification, so I'll drop a note to Jamesx12345. (I had a space after "User:" above, so Echo presumably hasn't made his ears burn yet.) In an ideal world - I think articles created via AfC should not be speediable, since they have already been vetted and found acceptable, but I've seen some bad 'uns. I've now scrutinised this one and I agree, the demonstration of notability is thin indeed. What's worse, I can't find anything else myself, even after searching for the supposed collapse of Wakefield Press, which should surely have made news. I hope editors in Australia or with knowledge of its media can find more. I guess it's mainly up to Anakowi; I was hoping I could help them out. We should all note, though, that they evidently edit in fits and starts, which is a problem when an article is nominated for deletion in any way. Yngvadottir (talk) 15:39, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Emilia Appelqvist AFD
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Rudolf von Beckerath Orgelbau
Can you proof this? Gerda seems busy.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  06:02, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll see what I can do; I believe User:Randykitty and I have almost finished sorting out Arkiv för nordisk filologi. However, at some point groceries have to be bought, so if it's urgent, ask someone else too. Yngvadottir (talk) 16:50, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

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Arkiv för nordisk filologi
Hi, a few questions. 1/ The journal website states that this is "en vetenskaplig tidskrift om nordiska språk. Här publiceras filologiska och lingvistiska artiklar om de nordiska språken och om äldre nordisk litteratur". That seems to limit things to linguistics and philology. 2/ "the first scholarly periodical entirely devoted to the field" is a claim that needs a reference, I think (and given that this is a small field, it's actually not much of a claim anyway). 3/ Societies and companies are founded. Journals are established. 3/ "Multidisciplinary humanities journals" is an inappropriate cat. Linguistics belongs in humanities. Area studies like Scandinavian studies belong in the social sciences (and there's a special cat "Area studies journals" for them).

I'd appreciate if you could give a source ofr the journal covering more than what it says itself on its homepage, as well of the "first ever" claim. Thanks. --Randykitty (talk) 12:52, 30 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi, sure. The first question is answered right there in the second half of the quotation: och om äldre nordisk litteratur (and on older Norse literature) and ref. 2, Nordisk familjebok, goes into some detail; passage beginning ett rikt omvexlande innehåll. It's the nature of the field, really - the linguistics of Old Norse is hard to discuss outside of the literary/religious context, plus often the point of interest lies outside the purely linguistic. (I came to write the article after referencing an article on varying genealogies of legendary Swedish kings putatively ancestors of Harald Fairhair, and the article was in Icelandic and in Arkiv.) As such I think multidisciplinary fits well, unless there is a category specifically for "Older Germanic Studies" journals - and it would be small, I agree. (I understand Area Studies requires it to also cover contemporary issues. This is really a journal of what the Germans would call ältere Nordistik; Old Norse studies would be understood much the same way in English, but can indeed be misunderstood as purely linguistic.) Its being the first is ref. 1, Salmonsen, first sentence (and that also refers to the topics being not purely linguistic, come to think of it). The Lund University page for the journal says founded 1882, and that has to be authoritative although established is fine by me except that the decision was clearly made at a conference in 1881, but the first volume was dated 1883. I wasn't sure how to fit that into the infobox. Now I must pack up to leave work - more later if necessary. --Yngvadottir (talk) 13:11, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Now I'm confused. I changed the year of establishment to 1983 based on what you wrote here and in the article (for example, the tenure of the fist editor starts in 183). People sometimes take years to prepare the publication of a new journal. We take the first year of publication (i.e., when the journal actually came into existence) as the year of establishment. --Randykitty (talk) 16:13, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I've now added sources trying to clarify matters. It was originally published quarterly, evidently not starting with January, but the complete bound volumes bore the date of the year of completion. For example, here is the title page of the first volume. But the current publisher (which must be taken as authoritative, I think) and the LIBRIS listing say it began publishing in 1882, and various other listings including Project Runeberg's prefatory page to their scan of Volume 1 list Volume 1 as 1882/83. This is not unusual with 19th-century journals. I'd like to find which quarter of the year it actually started publication, to nail it down, but it's inaccurate to say it started publication in 188 2 3. (Also see the date on the 100-year anniversary article, but I can't find that online anywhere and don't have access to a university library with holdings.) Yngvadottir (talk) 16:21, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, makes sense. 1882 it is :-) --Randykitty (talk) 12:05, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

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Yes, a merge sounds fine. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 17:04, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

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Hi, you might be interested in helping expand this rather mysterious Moorish city from Spanish wiki. I aim to GA it once done. History and landmarks need translation in particular, might need to be selective though as their article is rather bloated.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  17:03, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

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New Article: Braak Bog Figures
Hey! I ended up producing an Braak Bog Figures article. It's very likely of interest to you. You are welcome to do help with it. &#58;bloodofox: (talk) 14:34, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
 * That does look interesting, thanks for the heads-up; I'll see if I can ferret out anything to add :-) Would you like me to delete the Break Bog Figures redirect? Yngvadottir (talk) 14:48, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
 * On all accounts: please do. :) &#58;bloodofox: (talk) 14:51, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Having finally tracked down the German article and the term generally used in German-language scholarship, of course I find there's a controversy ... and a varying, even earlier dating (presumably dendrochronological) - see latest revision. Any talk page stalker able to access the 2000 issue of Offa? Yngvadottir (talk) 16:01, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Marquesas
Can you translate the little bits from German and French for Mount Oave?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  20:04, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Not sure which bits you meant; the content of the two articles is already there in the English. So I just got the interwikis to show and made a couple of tweaks. Sorry, slow, tired :-( Yngvadottir (talk) 21:06, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

New Brighton Tower
Just wanted to pop by and say thank you very much for reading and editing the article. It means a lot when someone is interested in something have worked hard on! Thanks.

P.S. I will probably return to you for copy editing future articles as you were so helpful =P Consider yourself warned! Haha ツStacey (talk) 22:02, 14 July 2013 (UTC)


 * You're welcome :-) I know how easy it is to miss things. Yngvadottir (talk) 04:27, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Muggeseggele
Hi, the article is on deletion list and I think I have done some rookie errors or offended someone unwillingly. I dont get the point however what happened. Would u like to have a look on the disc? Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Muggeseggele BR Serten (talk) 11:37, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * You need to look again at Wikipedia is not a dictionary; that's the policy-based reasoning the article has to overcome, not whether it's humorous :-) I'd been wondering how that discussion was going; thanks for prodding me to take another look at the discussion and the article. As I said there, after having honestly not known which side of the debate to come down on, I think that last source you added on the 13th is a game-winner. But we'll have to see what the closing administrator thinks of the arguments. Yngvadottir (talk) 12:20, 15 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I found it quite interesting, since it was as well on he deletion list in germany. I believe it was a fault to mention Gnats Cock, since thats much more slangy, red herring for some guys. I agree with the last two sources as being the best ammo as showstopper for afd, as the useability for kids AND being elected the beauty queen is now evident. Thank you, think it was a sort of cross cutting, as I wouldnt have asked your support without being sure to have the best standing. xxx Serten (talk) 12:47, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, I know it would have hurt you, but you do realize I would have argued to delete it if the new sources you found were all about the meaning of the word, or examples of its use? Yngvadottir (talk) 12:56, 15 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Mention is not explain or deliberating about. Sure! Look in the afd debate e.g. about Gaugers book - all those guys argued he mentioned the word, however he thoroughly explained it in my eyes.
 * To feel sympathy towards an author does not oblige him (nor her) to share opinions. I wasnt sure myself. Serten (talk) 13:48, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Arkiv för nordisk filologi
I actually started a draft for an article on this journal here some time ago. I don't think there is anything of significance there that is not in your article, but you can take a look if there is anything you find worthwhile merging. --Hegvald (talk) 23:48, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh wow, well done! I will see if I can figure out the histmerge instructions, and you do have a couple of details I can add. Yngvadottir (talk) 04:04, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I believe I may have figured out how to merge pages! So that you now have the credit due. Now I wonder what other journals need articles ... :-D Yngvadottir (talk) 16:50, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * (Sorry if the following will seem a bit grumpy:) Most do. There is a partial list here: User:Hegvald/Per. I started a couple of articles on Swedish journals: Konsthistorisk tidskrift and Lychnos (journal) (I intentionally left infoboxes out of these, don't care for them). Problem is that Wikipedia's and the journal project's guidelines basically boil down to how much a journal has been cited by monoglot Americans publishing in English-language journals. There is a rather disgraceful discussion at Articles for deletion/Martin Rundkvist, partly continued at Talk:Fornvännen. Make up your own mind, but it left a bad taste in my mouth when I discovered it, long after it was closed. Note the "single purpose" nominator's user name and take into account that Rundkvist (User:Mrund) is a "skeptic" who has been actively working against religious cults and fringy archaeology on Wikipedia and the motive behind the nomination becomes clear. It seems to have been the immediate cause for User:Alunsalt (an English professional archaeologist, see the history of his user page) to leave. DGG usually seems to be a sensible fellow, but I think he is out of his depth when it comes to something like this. (BTW, why don't you merge this discussion with the one below on the same subject?) --Hegvald (talk) 12:59, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I think the conversation below reached a satisfactory conclusion :-) I've had a look at your list and there's remarkably little overlap. (By the way I checked Edda and they do list it with that English version of the subtitle.) Of the much shorter and quirkier list I started last night in longhand, I find about half are redlinked:
 * Journal of English and Germanic Philology
 * PBB
 * Maal og Minne (article has serious problems)
 * Zeitschrift für deutsche Philologie (!)
 * Finnisch-ugrische Forschungen - redirects to Société Finno-Ougrienne; I think a redirect is justifiable for Scandinavian Studies (journal), and I see there never was an article, but I am perhaps unreasonably sad there is only a Finnish article on FUS; maybe both should become articles :-)
 * Zeitschrift für deutsche Mythologie und Sittenkunde (probably hard to make a case for)
 * I also dislike infoboxes, but I decide on a case by case basis; for periodicals they seem like the best place to park stuff like ISSN and OCLC numbers and current editors' names, and they're definitely the best place for mastheads. I'm very grateful to Randykitty for switching to the academic journal one, which I completely failed to find when searching, and I see others have also failed to find. That enables one to avoid suggesting the journal is published by a for-profit company.
 * That AfD is indeed sad, but AfD results can vary quite alarmingly between comparable topics, and internet-based notability, such as the blog, is notoriously harshly treated here. When I checked his userpage, it confirmed my hunch that User:Mrund is the guy whose blog I ran into on the Lejre Odin, which is a small illustration of its broad readership :-) I may root around to see whether I think an article on him could pass notability today&mdash;I have the advantage of being able to see the deleted one as a starting point&mdash;but I have never been up to date in my knowledge of Scandinavian archaeology (pre-internet, there was a vast publishing divide; it was next to impossible to get hold of Scandinavian books or articles from outside continental Europe for reasons of expense). However, I think the journals are more urgent; yes, the recentist and anti-foreign-language bias is apparent and affects scholars as well as journals, but there's a tendency to go easier on articles about people - plus by now the guy's career may have racked up further notability points '-) I agree User:DGG was out of his depth, but that is, I fear, a manifestation of the underlying problem: Old Norse studies (and its pan-Germanic counterparts) are less well known fields than their major analogue, Classics, and extremely under-represented in the English-speaking world, so topics in the field start off at a disadvantage. Note that the vast majority of articles on Old Norse literature, myth, and history were created by Scandinavians (I'm still cleaning up the resulting heavy use of Swedish/Danish/Norwegian spellings as titles, but if it had been left to native speakers of English we would have terrible coverage. (And note below the difficulty of grasping that Arkiv doesn't just cover linguistics; Maal og Minne presents that as exclusively linguistics .... So ... thanks for your list, and I'll dig out my dissertation and see what slipped out of my memory when I made mine ... and little though I needed it (the vast majority of þættir are red links, to name just one thing that makes me feel terrible) I think I have another project. And many, many thanks for the ones you've already done. Do note, by the way, that despite the back and forth about what constitutes puffery, no one proposed Fornvännen for deletion. I think there's often more bark than bite in these accusations that a field of study little known in the US is (therefore) inherently non-notable; maybe I'll have the gall to write Halfdan of Hadafylke and Sigurd Hrise after all, even though many of the refs will be to a professor arguing they are political fictions. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:59, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * A minor issue in this context, but I have never quite understood why the current editor is of any particular significance in an article such as these. Nor why current vice-chancellors/presidents/rectors are important to mention at the top of articles on educational institutions that have been around for centuries and where any current info of that sort is of uncertain historical and general importance. --Hegvald (talk) 00:05, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm, good point :-) I don't actually care who the current editor of The Times or Le Figaro is either - but I bet they do, and that's probably a good bit of the reason '-) Yngvadottir (talk) 03:54, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify, even though Rundkvist obviously was the main target in that case, what I find bothersome is the way the nominator got at him by attacking Fornvännen, which, in the context of Swedish archaology, mediaeval art history, and runic studies is a well-known, well-established publication with a long history, an impeccable institutional affilition and all that, and how well-received this attack was because of Fornvännen's lack of listing in American citation databases such as the A&HCI.


 * I found a similar bias in Articles for deletion/Masreliez, where a subject that is completely mainstream in Swedish scholarship (the Masreliez are mentioned all over the place in everything written on Swedish 18th century art) was denounced as a "fringe" subject by a couple of people who had no idea what they were on about and wouldn't accept any sources contrary to their already-fixed view. (I went out and bought a copy of Göran Alm's book on the family, but haven't come around to rewriting the article yet, even though it needs it.)


 * To get back to Rundkvist, I am not an archaeologist and not the right person to judge whether he should or shouldn't have an article (if I were him, I wouldn't want a seemingly authoritative encyclopaedia article on myself that just at about anyone could rewrite as they wished). But it is hardly a priority as long as there are a number of senior living and important long-dead Swedish archaeologists without articles. Same thing for other academic fields with a national, regional or language-specific focus. --Hegvald (talk) 14:25, 2 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, I feel similarly and have been adding a few Icelandic scholars and, as you can see from my contribs, a raft of German topics with a focus on architecture ... but the ancient kings and heroes count, too. The entire field of ancient Germanic studies has withered almost to nothing in the US since WW2, it isn't much better in the UK, and the science-based view that the latest scholarly treatment is automatically therefore best causes problems, too, because the scholarship and insights of the earlier guys was in some cases better. However, with that last sentence I enter horse-flogging territory for myself personally. And Wikipedia has the potential to help tremendously in raising awareness of the existence of this area of knowledge and scholarship, quite apart from the continued exciting advances in archaeology, both discoveries and modes of analysis. (I wrote Gullgubber and Hilda Ellis Davidson's views and my own based on them were out of date! And it made a good DYK.) And the gods willing we can make it better reflect the actual state of knowledge, and the history of that knowledge. I hadn't thought to check for journals coverage before, and yes, you're right, the misjudgement of Fornvännen is a sad and illustrative example of what happens. Yngvadottir (talk) 14:48, 2 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, I have my limits. I'm an American librarian, originally trained in science and doing most of my work in the sciences, Not quite all--I'm now Wikipedian in Residence at NYPL-Performing Arts, greatly appreciating the opportunity to work in a new field for me, & I'm  willing to learn further.  As compared to most US librarians of my generation (and especially later) I can handle a fairly wide range of languages, though as compared to any educated European I am quite illiterate. I'm certainly willing to try Martin Rundkvist again.


 * I want to try to establish the notability of as many journals as possible. If I were making the policy, I'd be very inclusive--even perhaps to the extent of including all actually published academic journals-- but in argumentation, I have to deal with others interested in the subject who are less inclusive than I, and also with the many WPedians who do not understand the importance of academic things in general, and the humanities in particular. I try to be realistic, and one of the elements of that is not trying to defend everything.


 * There are several problems with supporting the journals we're discussing:  First, when they're not in the major indexes. As you recognize, the major indexes  I and most people here are accustomed to using  are all  Anglocentric--even if produced in non-Anglophone countries, and they all pay attention primarily to English language journals.   There are indexes in other countries in national languages, paying attention primarily to material produced in their languages and countries, with some attempting world wide coverage; in the US, they're pretty much used only by specialists. Princeton has many  of them, but I only go there every few weeks. I've last used one about 25 years ago, in print, but I'm going to explore them. However, the definition of a major index for notability purposes is that it is selective, and therefore indexes covering all possible journals in a field or a country do not count for notability, any more than other non-selective sources do. I think most of the people working on journals are going to insist on this criterion.


 * Second, when they are small and publish little, often appearing irregularly--as is the case with many humanities journals in specialized fields. This is the nature of the fields, but I would still have to content with those who say that the size and irregularity equates to lack of notability. Third, is the lack of trust of other criteria: some of this I share--in particular, I know how the Australian journal rating exercise was done, and I totally and completely distrust it; I've read that the Australian government, which was once so foolish as to use it for a criterion in awarding funding, no longer does so. I need to investigate the ERIH criteria--going by fields I know, its rankings are realistic, but we'll encounter people who will think only the highest classification notable.


 * This is part of the general problem with academics. There's a general reluctance of many otherwise sensible WPedians to consider certain fields of work as serious; this is best shown by  the objection to researchers we frequently encounter: Just another professor.  He publishers papers, but all professors do that. If nobody has published a book about him, he's not notable.  This argument can of course be countered successfully, but it occurs at most AfDs of academics. (This is especially true for some academic fields whose respectability some WPedians discount in particular: education, agriculture, home economics, religion.)   And there's a tendency to judge everything by the sciences, using impact factor and h-factor. These things I know about, and they are used here very uncritically. Garfield's impact factor was designed specifically for experimental science, and it works progressively less well as the fields are different from that. It does not apply in the humanities, or any field where books are the major publishing medium, because of their much slower rate of production and the lesser density of citations. H-factor is even worse--besides only being relevant to journals, it has a total lack of sensitivity for people who publish a few highly important works--it flattens the curve. I try to challenge all improper uses, but there are just too many of them...


 * Fortunately, there's an alternative: WP:AUTHOR. This only requires two books, each with two or more substantial reviews. Any notable person in the humanities should be able to do that and more. Sometimes finding the reviews takes specialized indexes, and outside the Anglophone sphere, I do not have the skill to select them. When relevant, I can certainly use help: I think most authors know perfectly well every review of their books, and they can assist greatly here.
 * I think I understand a little the special nature of archeology publication. It might be the most slowly publishing field of all, people typically work  on only a small number of major projects, publication in many fields is only by very local or specialized publishers, often small societies or academies,  and there may not be all that many publications to show for even a notable career, if one goes by counting.   Many  Festschriften do very well--I'm not sure I've ever lost an AfD where I can find one.   It is also possible to find evaluative reviews from experts, speaking specifically about importance. I have a certain distrust of the nice things academics sometimes say about each other, just as with people in other fields, but a sufficiently impressive statement to quote can certainly help. If there are awards also, there is of course little problem.
 * Looking at the discussions mentioned, I could  defend the notability of Fornvännen.  I would do so on the basis of  it being an a national journal in a national subject, and that the leading national journal(s) in any field are intrinsically important. This is the argument Martin Runquivst gave there, and I accept it- (If I can figure out how to tell it is a leading journal--the way I know as a librarian is to make comparisons with other journals in the field). Looking at the discussion at Articles for deletion/Martin Rundkvist,  I'm quite willing to try the article on him again. I recall the AfD  now that I've re-read it; the discussion there was a number of  years ago and I was   being quite conservative then, because it was even harder to get articles on academics accepted. As mentioned, there was the anti-fringe aspect. It can work equally in either direction--for anyone suspected of ever supporting a fringe view there can be objection. If you'd like to try an article on him again, the first step is to check if there are any later publications, and then reviews, and then what is said about him in works that cite him. If you can get   the materials, I will undelete to someone's user subpage, and after the material is added, I will touch it  up to meet WP expectations and move it back. There's something else that will really help: write first  an article among the main site he worked on.     DGG ( talk ) 04:25, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi :-) Unless User:Mrund messages me that he would like to have an article again, I won't retry with him unless I start seeing his name popping up in books. In either case I will indeed ask him to find refs; finding refs for living academics tends to be horrible because the biography stuff isn't usually published anywhere until either a Festschrift - which many consider with some justification to be a biased source - or an obit. And if the obits were in newspapers whose archives are not online or are paywalled, it's miserable even after the poor blighter's dead. Hegvald and I seem to substantially agree that other topics, including the journals, have a higher priority. I see your point about indices and so on, although as a non-librarian and non-scientist I wasn't really aware of them. In the humanities fields I know, a journal's selectivity and what's been published there in the past count for a lot. There is a national element, but many of these journals publish articles submitted from and are cited in a number of countries; in fact Arkiv is an extra-good example of that since it was pretty casually relocated from Norway to Sweden 4 years after it started :-) Nobody would dispute that in the English-speaking world, ancient Germanic studies is a small field. But anybody teaching in the field - at the graduate level at any rate - will have at least a mental list of journals, if not one they give out to their students. Heck, such lists used to be at the reference desk in every graduate university library I visited, and for Germanic Studies it was a very international list, including Scandinavian publications. Knowing which journals have a good rep is part of knowledge of the field (although I've of course given away some of my research interests with my little list above) and IMO Maal og Minne will remain notable regardless of what ever happens to it because of that first-issue article on Skírnismál, just as part of the notability of Arkiv is that it was first in a major segment of the field. So although in turn reputation tends to attract high-quality submissions, notability of an academic journal can't entirely be measured by what it's publishing and being cited for now. I think it can be compared to WP:PROF, where holding a major chair is one criterion, and having a significant impact on the field is another. Yngvadottir (talk) 04:58, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey guys! I'd be very pleased to become the subject of a new article on English Wikipedia in addition to the Swedish one. (Though in Scandinavia we obviously see the English-speaking world as the fringe, hehe.) As to my questionable notability, the upcoming annual meeting of the Norwegian Archaeologists' Assoc heads its website with two quotations: one from Michael Shanks & Christopher Tilley and one from me. More to the point here, I would also be happy to help regarding Scandy journals on Wikipedia if there's anything I can do. Best, Martin Rundkvist (talk) 21:34, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Heh, hi :-) I may do a bit of digging. But first, the journals; thanks for the offer of help there, I may take you up on it. Yngvadottir (talk) 15:23, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Digging indeed. Since that is my job, I can perhaps be useful regarding pre- and protohistoric Scandinavia as well. Martin Rundkvist (talk) 16:33, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

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Bramshill House
Hi, can you translate this from German? It's the sort of article that if I can find enough info 'll get up to GA status. Tibetan Prayer ᧾ 11:48, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Interesting variation in content there between the German and the English. If no one else gets to it first, I'll do so after I get home from work. Yngvadottir (talk) 11:53, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, strange isn't it! I'm not sure if Pevsner's book and other details are available, but it has a whopping 329 rooms!! The listing buildings article should have a lot of architectural details to add for sure. Tibetan Prayer ᧾ 11:58, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Excellent work, thanks! Tibetan Prayer ᧾ 12:25, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Drmies glommed onto it almost simultaneously and it now has a somewhat tangled edit history! (The most recent IP is him too.) He's found multiple sources - the Victorian journal one purportedly has complete architectural details. So he desrves more thanks than me. Yngvadottir (talk) 12:30, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey, can one of you smart people figure out what's up with the TOC? Why is it the width of the page? I wanna say I've seen unexpected TOC layouts in the last few days but I'm not sure. Drmies (talk) 14:07, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah! My own talk page! What's the difference between User talk:Drmies/Archive 51 (across the width of the page) and User talk:Drmies/Archive 50 (not)? Wikiweirdness. Oh, hey, Yngvadottir, it's the end of summer, and that means the Icelanders are moving in, with their soccer scholarships. :) Drmies (talk) 14:09, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * They look the same to me - I'm inclined to suspect some latest more or less nefarious Visual Editor/skin/metadata emission/differential browser support issue, or simply some more breakage from whatever they were mucking with that required giving the slaves 50 lashes to run faster yesterday. But the actual answer is probably on Village Pump/Technical in impenetrable techspeak. Either that or they actually fixed it. re: soccer, here folks are determined to promote cricket. Yngvadottir (talk) 14:41, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yup: Village pump (technical). Ugh. Caught sight of some of those dismissive responses, left that page rapidly again. Yngvadottir (talk) 14:46, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you!
Thank you very much for your help, I really did'nt know what to do!Yes, I created a duplicate but now that I submitted the original I hope I won't need it anymore so it can be deleted! Thank you again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mmarraas (talk • contribs) 06:26, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Bikky khosla
Hi, I have added a new image to the page. this is a free image with no copyright issues. Please have a look and help me replace the previous one. Also need your suggestions to improve this further. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bikky_Khosla. Moonisrahman (talk) 10:51, 24 July 2013 (UTC)Moonisrahman

Thanks, will do as suggested. Moonisrahman (talk) 05:08, 25 July 2013 (UTC)Moonisrahman

Questions about language, translations and Wikipedia
Hi Yngvadottir. I saw you when we accidentally was editing the page 'Hasle Hills' at the same time, a few minutes ago. I have a few questions you if you dont mind?

Can you write/speak danish? (I am danish and lives in Aarhus) I am totally new on Wikipedia as contributor and I am wondering if we can link to danish Wiki-pages from English Wiki-pages? As sources of reference, maybe re-direction? Or are the different Wikis seperated completely by a language-barrier? There is a Wiki-page on Hasle Hills in danish (Hasle Bakker), but I created an english one. Maybe that was a waste of time?

well hope this is the right place to pose questions and discuss things. Have a nice summer!

RhinoMind (Lasse) — Preceding unsigned comment added by RhinoMind (talk • contribs) 21:44, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Answer (translation and Wiki-style)
Great! I will have a look at that WP:Pages needing translation into English. As said I am 1 week old on WP and it can be very confusing, when you dont have all day to read your way through the helps and explanations, so thank you again.

Translations If you care to know, a major reason for me to sign up on WP was the need I felt for English pages based on other languages sources. If you only draw info from English sources to the English Wiki it will in time close in on itself and become rather anaemic. Since English is now an internationally preferred language even between two non-English cultures it is vital that WP can draw from non-English languages in the future even if English culture persons dont care.

Gellerup Yes, I was quite shocked when Drmies came along, but I think I have cooled down a bit now. I can see some of the points, as you also mentions them. But it was more the way the editing was executed and the carelessness with which it was done, that angered me. Useful and important text was erased (as well as references), instead of rewriting it or placing it right. And the text that was written as a substitute, was low quality. The reason I mentioned social activities and elaborated on the recreational leisure options, was because The Gellerup Plan is categorized as a ghetto. The lack of leisure activities for young people in many ghettos, is recognized as huge problem, and the act of introducing them as an important vehicle for progress. In that context, I felt it was important information. Was I wrong or right? Another minor reason is that associations as a phenomena, is extremely important in understanding everyday life in Denmark. Maybe I should do an article on that later on. Anyway, I felt I would catch up on this discussion on Gellerup here, since you mentioned it, but I believe it is best to keep it to the Gellerup page in the future. And you are very welcome to join in on it of course! I dont see it as a beef between me and Drmies, but as a more general discussion. Ok, enough of this discussion here.

regards...

RhinoMind

This answer is a reply to (feel free to erase):

Hasle Hills

Thanks for your note on my talk page :-) Yes, I can read Danish a bit; I saw there was a Danish article and linked them together on "Wikidata"; look at the bottom of the sidebar on the left under "languages /andre sprog" and you will see the other article linked. We can't use other Wikipedia articles as references, but when they are on the same topic, we link them together like that.

I actually looked at that article because you posted a copy of the above on Drmies' talk page and I saw you had then moved on to create a new article and had a look at it; I am active at WP:Pages needing translation into English and often clean up the English on articles created as translations.

I haven't looked in detail at Gellerup - I would need to check the references - but it does seem to me as if you have too much detail there. Remember, there is a difference between an ancyclopaedia article and an essay; we just summarise what others have said about the topic, rather than interpreting or drawing wider conclusions (the reader can always follow links to our articles on ghettos, immigration, etc.) And we don't serve as an up-to-date directory of things like leisure offerings; the reader can find out about those in detail more easily and accurately from the external links or other off-wiki means, we could never keep listings up to date on every page. So I think I see what you were trying to do but that you may have lost sight of the nature of Wikipedia, but I haven't looked at it closely yet. Yngvadottir (talk) 04:21, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Beowulf
Guess which track I'm listening to. What a language! Drmies (talk) 18:37, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * LOL that's scary, since we don't have any Old Norse epics left, just the Eddic vignettes ... speaking of linguistic switches, do you realize I wound up doing Old Saxon Genesis? What we must have lost from that poetic tradition ... Yngvadottir (talk) 18:44, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Wow, thank you--excellent work! Right now I'm listening to a Central Asian epic, with a bowed string instrument accompanying. It's crazy fascinating, and the performer sounds like he's had a couple of liquid performance boosters. Drmies (talk) 18:50, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

WikiCup 2013 July newsletter
We're halfway through this year's penultimate round, and the competition is moving along well. Pool A's currently leads overall, while Pool B's  is second. Both leaders are WikiCup veterans, and both have already scored over 600 points this month. If the round were to end today,, with 274 points, would be the lowest-scoring participant to make it through. This indicates that participants will need a score comparable to last year's (573, the highest ever) to qualify for the final. The high scores this year are a testament both to the quality of participants and to the increased focus on significant content (eligible for bonus points) in this year's competition. So far this round, both Sasata and have made up over half of their score through bonus points, with, for example, high importance FA koala earning Sasata a total of 440 points (from a multiplier of 4.4) and high-importance GA sea earning Cwmhiraeth a total of 216 points (from a multiplier of 7.2). Other articles on important topics submitted this round include a featured article on the Norman conquest of England by, and good articles on Nobel laureate in literature Henryk Sienkiewicz, Nobel laureate in physics Hans Bethe, and the noted Japanese aircraft carrier Hiryū. These articles are by, and Sturmvogel_66 respectively.

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Mark
I expanded the one-liner Stadttheater Düren and remember that you dealt with people from the period (1905). Where do I find a conversion from that type of Mark? (Link off the Main page soon.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:22, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I linked it to the appropriate coinage and made a few additional tweaks. Hope that works for you. Yngvadottir (talk) 15:40, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Great, thank you! Can I interest you in the architect as well? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:57, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Bramshill House
Congrats!!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  09:44, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
 * LOL, should have been you too :-) Hopefully it will make GA soon. Quite an old-fashioned and fun collaboration there. Yngvadottir (talk) 12:45, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
 * How are the books? Do you still have them? I suppose I'd have expected you to add more details in the last week!13:34, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I still have them both for a few more weeks. A large final section of Cope is all about the pictures they had hanging in the house at the time, which clearly isn't relevant any more, although I left one such statement from the other 19th-century source (Shaw?), intending to swing back later and re-examine the material from there. However the IP got in first and confirmed my suspicion that that source's James I figure is Cope and Pevsner's Zouche figure, and the IP and Eric were doing a great job touching up the prose and reorganising stuff, so I said on the talk page that I was standing by with the books and would see if I could find someone who could handle the scanning and upload ... but there hasn't been much action since then except Eric discussing renominating it for GA and another editor pointing out the differing use of compass points in different sources. I encourage you, or Eric, or anyone else who wants to to nominate it for GA, and I'll continue staying out of the way unless there are questions, as there was re: compass points. I was considering pinging Eric on his talk page actually, so good timing :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 14:44, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Merger of Dwarf (Norse mythology) to Dwarf (Germanic mythology)
Hello Yngvadottir, your input is welcome regarding the fate of these pages. Right now the Norse myth page is essentially the playground of some anonymous editor, probably a very vocal editor on the page. Take a look at the history sections and talk pages and I'm sure you'll see what is going on. &#58;bloodofox: (talk) 23:48, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I took a quick look and while I agree one overarching article seems best, the relationship to the svartálfar and dokkálfar is indeed messy, and the debate about dwarfs-dwarves revealed I don't know much about this area - I had no idea the latter was largely a Tolkienism, I would have said ENGVAR :-) (I've always said scarves too.) The problem with any such topic is always going to be that there are dueling print sources; there's also Lotte Motz's Neanderthal smith theory. While we have to give more weight to scholarly interpretations, this is one of those where the scholars do vary and admit things are unclear (as with álfar and as there with the relationship of the Anglo-Saxon charms to the Prose Edda and the amount of cleaning up that Snorri did). And since I have already shown myself to be not up to speed on this one ... I'll have to look at the Norse dwarf article and see what exactly the IP is drawing on before I opine at the merger discussion. Thanks for working on this one. Yngvadottir (talk) 02:31, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure, no problem. I'm glad to have you involved. It's a very interesting topic. Note that the user was just blocked, but his personal essay remains. &#58;bloodofox: (talk) 02:33, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh boy, I'd missed that entirely, and I see this goes back to at least 2010 too. Yngvadottir (talk) 02:37, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I've been trying to deal with it for some time. He just goes to IP mode and reverts back to the "vampire" version, apparently taking some stuff involving dwarfs and death that's out there (reasonable as it may be) and just going wild with it. I began to do a rewrite this buuuut as with topics like troll, it's a tough one to just outright write up and if you don't have a huge, ready-made article to just put over it one might encounter some confused resistance. This is a particularly bizarre case, as the talk page probably shows. &#58;bloodofox: (talk) 02:43, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The bald assertion that they are "nature spirits" is raising my ire, and that See also is awfully long :-) But the material about particular dwarfs such as Sindri and about the different development in gaming (with citations for its being different) does need to have a home somewhere. And I see he's invoking Anatoliy Liberman as well as Grimm; thereby illustrating my point that scholars have taken varying positions. I was going to join the revert fest, but I think what would be a better idea while he's blocked is to incorporate some of the material from his article into the Germanic dwarfs article, more briefly (without all the background on the nature of the sources and giving less space to the popular culture/gaming); i.e.: start doing the merger, to demonstrate the intended broad treatment as well as a better balance between approaches. I suppose I could attempt that tomorrow, since I am on my weekend, but you'd undoubtedly do a better job of it :-) I see we have Dwarf (Middle-earth), Dwarfs (Discworld), Dwarfs (Warhammer) and probably others, so one paragraph pointing to those and stating the difference with citation(s) would be enough for that hind end of the article. Yngvadottir (talk) 03:08, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I see BMK did re-revert it while I was writing this. I need to study up. I'll look at it in the morning; I do think the best solution is to incorporate the valid points from his version into the newer broader article (as well as the Anglo-Saxon charm), but technically that means going ahead with the merger without waiting for the discussion to close. However, it's best both in fairness to the other editor, in terms of topic coverage, and as the definitive response to his slinging around the term "vandalism". Then the Norse article can remain the short summary it currently is until the merger discussion leads to its becoming a redirect, as seems likely to happen. Assuming you broadly agree ... if you have time to start the expansion, you'd do a far better job than me, it's clear I am not up to speed on the topic, but I probably have more time so I'll get to it sometime tomorrow if you haven't already. Yngvadottir (talk) 04:10, 6 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Sure, I am all for expanding the article and, after double checking the source to cleanse the WP:SYNTH from the old version, bringing forth anything valuable. I'd love to sit down and expand it, at least enough to get it to the length of troll for now (which everyone seems pleased with after much initial resistance to its downsizing—albeit nothing like this). Simek's entry may have a lot of popular culture stuff of interest, and once I get back in a few days I can sit down with the handbooks and expand as much as possible. Once we can map out the Old English and continental stuff and discuss a bit from there into the modern period, we'll have a nice skeleton to work with. Isolating the interpretations and theories into their own section will also go a long way in deflecting future issues with synthesis and original research. But yes, I agree, you are most welcome to go ahead and edit as you wish, of course, and I thank you for the kind words. :) &#58;bloodofox: (talk) 08:46, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, I've made a hefty start. Pausing now - take a look, especially at whether there's anything else should be merged in from the older article. This ain't my specialty. Yngvadottir (talk) 00:09, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks for the cookies, they were yummie!!
Thanks for saying hello, and giving me a few helpful links. I think it's similar to what I got on the French site, but I'm more comfortable reading this sort of thing in English, thanks!

That article is a heck of a project ... who knew a few paragraphs would be so hard? Then, it's not just the text, it's the references, the box info, the links, etc, etc, etc. When you don't know the story that you're working on, it's all that much harder ... you're trying to learn the subject and make sense of the gibberish and catch the meaning of a style of language that you're not always used to. But yes, I can do a BIT better than Google Translate ... ick!! It tends to make people into "it"s and turn the past to the present. (She was a friend -> It is a friend)

I clearly see there is a huge need for people translating ancient French bios into English, and I think I need to spend some time coming up to speed as to what background articles we have in English that is useful to link this sort of article into. I think after I wrap that article up, I'll be taking a bit of a pause to read what you sent and search for all the background articles I can find in both English and French, and then perhaps focus on improving the background stuff so that we don't have to keep re-inventing the wheel trying to make this kind of article understandable to someone who doesn't know that "Marquis de Lafayette" is a title, not a name.

Thanks again, and I'm sure I'll be saying hello and asking more questions once I've had a chance to become a bit more well read.

GabrielD2 (talk) 12:30, 9 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Good! Thanks again for helping out - yes, it is very much needed - and do feel free to ask :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 12:35, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

A few quick (I hope ... ) questions for you.
Hello again. Since you seem to be so kind in helping me out, I do have what I hope are a few quick questions for you. I've been able to learn a few tricks by example, but there are some things that I've seen work, but I can't figure out how for the life of me!


 * Is it possible to make a link from an article here to an article on the French Wikipedia? I've seen that articles can be linked via "Languages" on the left hand side.  What I'd like to do is make a link inside an article.  I know you can link to English articles with the double square brackets, but how do you link to French?  I know it's better to translate the articles into English, but until I have a chance to do all that, I think it's better to have some link to French, at least, than it is to have no link, at all.
 * How do you link to other projects? I know that one of my sources is linked to WikiSource, but I can't figure out how it's done.
 * How do you find out what information a box will and will not accept? I know one of the box links my original editor made was wrong, but how do you find out what the right link is??

I'm making slow, but steady progress on that article ... I just can't believe how much work is involved, but the original editor knew the subject, and I've had to learn it all from the ground up, doing searches for all sorts of things that should have been done in the original French article, but wasn't. It doesn't help that some of the grammar in the French article is bad, too. Once I finish here, I'm going to have to go back and clean up the French article, too.

I definitely see why one should never post a machine translation as a new article, but also, one should never attempt to translate an article that isn't up to standard in the original language. You really need a new user's guide and a better process for getting new users started. This leaving them alone to fend for themselves is why you have messes like this one. Then you all get mad at the new folks for doing the wrong thing, when you never told them what the right thing is, in the first place. I bet a good amount of vandals and users who ignore the rules is because the first hello they got were from angry people telling them that everything they do is wrong, but never try to help them. So the users get a bleep-you attitude and do whatever they want, just to get back at them. Then you turn around and yell at more new users. (Not YOU, of course, but other people like that other guy.)

I think we've got a bit of a nasty cycle going on, here, and I think the way to stop it is:
 * 1. Make sure we have a simple, easy to read and understand new user's guide.
 * 2. Send that guide automatically to all new accounts as part of the sign-up process.
 * 3. Get rid of that new user's mode that takes new folks and throws them to the wolves.
 * 4. Stop experienced people from being rude to everyone. I know this is the hardest thing, but we have to do that, somehow, to break the cycle.

I know sometimes there is a lot of work to do, but being angry about it is not the answer. Fixing the problem that causes all that work, is the answer. And I think it can be fixed, but first you've got to get people to want to fix it.

I guess I'm saying all these things to you because you were so nice, and I think that maybe you're one of those people who might be able to do something about this. If you agree with what I'm saying, than perhaps, as I said to that other user, perhaps we can team up and work together. Then, perhaps we can get the attention of some other people to team up with us, and so on, and so on ... that, my friend, is how we can fix some of these problems. What do you think?

I know it may take you a while to get to this second part of my message, but for now, if you can answer my first quick questions, then, think about what I'm saying in this second part for a while and get back to me when you have a chance. No rush, of course ... but these things have been starting to get to me a bit, and I know they can be fixed.

Perhaps I should find you a plate of cookies for my long message, huh? Well, thanks again, for being kind and maybe we can be the start of something good here for everyone else.

GabrielD2 (talk) 12:47, 11 August 2013 (UTC)


 * This will have to be a quick mostly placeholding response; I'm at work (yes, I work an unusual schedule) and it's sadly harder to marshall clear answers on this than to retranslate a bad translation from Danish... It's possible that by the time I get home (in under two hours) one or more of my talkpage stalkers will have weighed in. But one quick thing: the simplest syntax for a link to a page on another project is Paris, for example, or if you just want to follow the redlink with a note in parentheses that there is a fr. article, then ( fr ). But inline external links, including to other projects, are frowned upon. I would only consider doing it for one or two redlinks, and I would use the second methodology because redlinks are a valuable prompt that an article could/should be written. Inline links to French Wikipedia make it look as if one exists. They're also a trap for the non-French-reading reader who clicks on one and finds ... French! It's much better to add any necessary contextual explanation to the sentence pending the creation of the needed article in English (or if you really love this stuff, to create a stub yourself ...). You can also list relevant French Wikipedia articles in the External links section, but it's good to use the template after each one. (And by the way, all this nitty gritty will only work in "Edit source" mode! We currently have Visual Editor and wiki-syntax editing running in parallel, so how-to explanations have to make that clear.) Now back to work and finishing up that task ... home soon :-) --Yngvadottir (talk) 13:12, 11 August 2013 (UTC)


 * OK I'm home. Regarding "box" I think you mean the infobox? If so, Template:Infobox person is where it resides, and notice the explanations and links there. Does that help? Regarding links to other projects, such as Wikisource, I'm hazy on this myself; I haven't been able to get it to work for foreign-language Wikisource projects. But there are templates for Commons categories&mdash;see Template:Commons category&mdash;and for Wikisource&mdash;Template:Wikisource&mdash;and maybe one of the variants at the latter is what you need. These templates are for use in the External links section, again. To put a link to Wikisource in a footnote, I would simply link to the URL like any other URL, and identify it as Wikisource, and that's what I have done in the past with German Wikisource.


 * Our process for welcoming and assisting new editors is always going to be a bit of a mess because they pop up randomly and behave unpredictably, and so do the non-newbies :-) In theory, we have a strong guideline of not biting the newbies; it follows from assuming good faith, which is part of civility, which is one of the five pillars. In practice ... we've evolved remarkably effective vandal-defence mechanisms considering the nature of the project, including bots like the one that misidentified your edit as vandalism (which was doubly unfortunate since it was tagged with "new editor getting started"; thanks for being so understanding) and hordes of editors who monitor both specific articles through their watchlists (mine is huge, others have huger ones) and the stream of recent edits, many of them using automated tools. Unfortunately that means a lot of itchy trigger fingers and a certain amount of jumping to the wrong conclusions, but a lot of thought and goodwill went into the design of the series of escalating warning templates designed to get people to stop playing around/violating policies/blanking stuff they disagree with before they get blocked: Template messages/User talk namespace. And as you probably know from the links in the welcome template I left for you, there are a number of ways of asking for help, including placing a template on your talkpage, a WP:Help desk, the WP:Teahouse, an en.wikipedia IRC help channel, and also WP:Tutorial/Editing and specific pages like Help:Referencing for beginners. There also used to be a separate Help for Beginners noticeboard, where I posted a lot of questions at the start and answered a few in return&mdash;I rather miss that, but the Teahouse has replaced it. I'd like to add one other thing that suits some, but not others: The Missing Manual (that's an article, and the actual thing is downloadable from there). Unfortunately not only is this a diffuse and complex web of resources, but the introduction of the Teahouse has led to some confusion; I have the impression fewer people are adding the welcome templates to newly registered users' talkpages because the Teahouse has a bot that auto-welcomes people to that, and because the Teahouse was started on the premise that the welcome templates and all the policy and how-to pages they link to are a bit overwhelming. Personally I think we need both; for one thing, new editors are not necessarily brand new&mdash;many people first edit without registering and then register an account when they find they like it, or when they decide to write an article&mdash;and many people new to Wikipedia have edited other wikis, in many cases using the Mediawiki software (including of course those who first registered on another language version of Wikipedia!) And people vary in their preferences: some would rather have the resources to look up whatever they specifically need, others prefer to go slow, sticking a toe in first to see how warm the water is ... and with that a short break. Yngvadottir (talk) 16:34, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * ... And in addition to uncertainty about the Teahouse ... the Wikimedia Foundation are bound and determined to replace wiki-code with the Visual Editor, partly because they are convinced that wiki-code is a barrier to new editors. It sounds like a good idea, but the implementation is abominable, and since they unexpectedly made it the default editing mode, we have many long-term editors in a foul mood because newbies using Visual Editor are breaking pages without even knowing, and approximately none of our editing help pages apply to that mode of editing. So that is a massive problem instead of the improvement they are still convinced it will be. or is. or something. And I must admit it's made me even more cynical and depressed. Especially since they have another change rushing upon us, called Flow, which will replace all talkpages and make the kind of response I gave you above impossible, besides eliminating all those carefully written warning templates. What it will actually look like they don't know yet, except it will be new! and wonderful! and customizable! and more like Facebook! So I am not perhaps the best person to be your ally right now, because I'm wondering whether I'm even going to be able to talk to people here any longer, and how all the projects will work, and why in the ever-loving heck Wikimedia appears to hate what we do here ... but you're right, things have got messed up in terms of how we treat new editors, and clarity and collaboration in fixing it are all the more important if we are to deal with all this interference from over there. Like write the guidance pages for Visual Editor once (if) they ever get it to actually work. (They can't be written yet because it doesn't do half of what one needs to do ... sigh.) So: I suggest you make contact with WP:WikiProject Editor Retention and I am hereby pinging User:Dennis Brown of that project and also User:Huon, who basically works full-time on the IRC help channel. (Both of them are far more capable admins than I am and also far less cynical and despairing.) You also should go to the Teahouse and talk to the folks there; that is the lead project regarding newbie help these days, and has a lot of very helpful and knowledgeable editors involved. Hopefully most of this helped a little bit. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:17, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, what exactly did you ping me for? I'm not quite sure I understand what I'm supposed to help with. I don't have any experience with writing Wikipedia's help pages, and I expect we'll never be able to make them sufficient to answer every user's problems. That's why we have interactive help desks: The Teahouse as a particularly new-editor-friendly board, the all-purpose WP:Help desk, the Articles for creation help desk that's specialized on article drafts created via the Article Wizard, and the IRC channel for live help. Huon (talk) 23:07, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * In case I was out of date about what we currently do to help newbies; I knew you'd know more than me in that case :-) Thanks for responding. Yngvadottir (talk) 16:08, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Wow, I think I must have hit a raw nerve, and on a very bad day, on top of it! I'm sorry to hear you're so frustrated.  I didn't mean to push you over the edge, but rather to encourage you to think positively about how we can make things better for everyone.  I see there's a bit of politics that may not be going the right way, but you mentioned several resources that encourage me to think that it's not all hopeless, and maybe there is still a chance to get things moving in a better direction.

Thank you for your tips, they were exactly what I was looking for. I agree that we shouldn't have foreign language links or external links in the main text of the article. I was thinking solely in terms of references, etc., at the bottom of the article, where they're clearly marked. I agree that red links are useful, but I do think that red links alone, with nothing else to provide as future sources and for temporary use by those who can speak the language, is worse than no links at all.

I've a little more proofreading to do, but the article is almost there. I hope to have it done tomorrow. The one good thing about all this is that it certainly has given me a good experience on how not to do things, and how I should approach future articles to save myself a lot of time and grief.

I hope your day goes better today. Please do try to relax, and don't let this place stress you so much. This is a hobby, isn't it? I know I'm not getting paid for this. It's been a challenge, and I do enjoy a challenge, and certainly this will definitely help me improve my French writing skills, which I know are in need of improvement. So that's why I'm doing this.

I must say, if you need to take a break, by all means, please do. Once this article is done, I've got plenty of things to read, places to check out and people to talk to ... thanks to you. So if you need to take a week or two to get away from the stress, and take some time for yourself and to remember why you started coming here, please go ahead. I'll still be here, and I'd be glad to welcome you back, just as you welcomed me when I needed it.

Take care, my friend, and thank you very much!

GabrielD2 (talk) 12:22, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the thought, but more like a bad 6 weeks. As I say, others are less cynical and depressed :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 16:08, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Interview Tillery-Hoax
Hello Yngvadottir, for a study project I am looking for a wikipedia user who was involved in the revealing of the Tillery Hoax and would answer a few questions about it and hoaxes in general, if possible in German. I am writing a feature about them, which will not be made public but is for study reasons only. Would you help me with that? I would be really happy to hear from you soon! All the best, Lyraly

That's great! Thanks so much!

Thank you again, you helped a lot! All the best for you!

Oh yeaaaaahh
Is pumpie the P user you speak of? Sockpuppet_investigations/Pumpie would be good to look at. It looked quite clear to me. The more they edited the more similar they looked. NativeForeigner Talk 20:35, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I was in communication with Markussep and saw, and I think both he and I had the same impression. Damned shame he can't get it together. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:37, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Certainly. I don't have that much history on the user but it all seems unfortunate. If they had responded at all to concerns I would have tried to advocate but there is only so much one can do. NativeForeigner Talk 20:42, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

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Currently working on this, you might be interested in translating what you can from Danish.♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:47, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Already looks good at a glance ... anything specific? Yngvadottir (talk) 11:57, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
 * History, landmarks?♦ Dr. Blofeld  17:01, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks again for your help ... sorry if I wound up adding to your stress at a bad time, and hopefully, we'll both be in better shape in a few days. Take care!

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 * Aww, thanks! And you're very welcome :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 11:59, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Muggeseggele
I have received some complaints about grammar and style, would you be please so kind to have a look? Editing Template:Did you know nominations/Muggeseggele greetings Serten (talk) 19:30, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Gladly; I took a quick look and can see what needs doing, but unfortunately I am unlikely to be able to work on it until near teh end of my work shift; I have to go to bed now :-( Sorry, I'll get to it as soon as I can. Yngvadottir (talk) 21:02, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

You have a reply at User talk:GabrielD2
Just a quick message to give you a heads-up, when you have time. It's a bit of a long reply, but I think you'll appreciate it. No rush!! I'd rather you spend time with your kittie, right now, she needs the attention. Thanks!

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RfA
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Poor bots
LOL, somebody else besides me who's new to Twinkle, maybe? But how unfair that Cluebot can't vote (or even !vote)! Experienced editor! Bishonen &#124; talk 18:22, 21 August 2013 (UTC).

Forced archiving of one's talkpage?
Hi Yngvadottir,

In your rfa you wrote:
 * "I don't archive my talkpage, so that anyone seeking to find out about me can easily do so..."

I also feel this way, however, my talk page was archived without my consent or prior knowledge. I only discovered this later.

I am just wondering why this was forced on me – but not on you? XOttawahitech (talk) 20:31, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

I would greatly appreciate a response on my talk page. XOttawahitech (talk) 20:36, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

This is a fair warning ...
Your comments on my user talk page clearly indicate that your stress levels are starting to peak, again. I strongly encourage you to spend a little quality time with your new Kitty and de-stress. Then, go ahead and read my reply. Think about what I'm saying, and take another break with Kitty ... she's so young and small, she needs the attention. When you're ready, please come down to the Debate Arena (at the bottom of my user talk page) and make your comments clearly and concisely so that I, and everyone else, can understand them. I know you're not that crusty ... you've proven that to me. Now, let's show everyone else you're not that crusty and let's have a civil debate. We'll get through this. But you can't do it under stress. That's why I gave you the Kitty in the first place.

Sincerely, GabrielD2 (talk) 14:01, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Sorry and thanks ...
I don't know if you've seen my previous comments on your exchange or not, but if you have, then I must apologize that I won't be able to moderate your discussion. Unfortunately, I've gotten some bad news and will have to be leaving soon. Thanks for your help, and I wish you the best of luck in your future affairs. GabrielD2 (talk) 12:14, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Very sorry to hear it - was going to make a post at your talk later, but currently busy at work. I hope you have e-mail enabled. --Yngvadottir (talk) 12:28, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

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Pumpie, once again
I just came across this nicely mangled translation from the Greek Wikipedia, and decided to check the creator's contributions. Lo and behold, Pumpie-isms galore: French, Portuguese and Greek articles, with dozens of any conceivable redirect created... I am filing an SPI, but please keep your eyes open for more socks. This one has been around for some time. Constantine  ✍  16:17, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Bleahhh. If only he would start doing a good job, the issue would never arise. Thanks for the heads-up. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:40, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Indeed, it is a pity that so much effort is wasted, and that he forces more effort on others to clean up after him... For the life of me I can't understand his problem and why he can't communicate properly or at least learn to use English correctly in his articles. Constantine  ✍  21:11, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Howdy
Hey, thanks for helping out (in your much nicer manner) with the McMurry bit. The user is also editing as an IP, but I'm going to let it slide. I could not refrain from responding from a pretty blatant lie, but I saved my second, not my first response. Listen, while I have your ear, do you have a minute to look at Template:Did you know nominations/Milan Poparic? The article is reviewed, but I tweaked the hook and it needs an independent reviewer. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 00:38, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Same thing at Template:Did you know nominations/Prisoners of Hope--a minor tweak of the hook, and I suppose you can count it as QPQ credit, haha. (Don't let BlueMoonset see this!) Drmies (talk) 00:40, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh man ... answered at your talk. Yngvadottir (talk) 00:51, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

WikiCup 2013 August newsletter
This year's final is upon us. Our final eight, in order of last round's score, are:
 * , a WikiCup newcomer who has contributed on topics of military history and physics, including a number of high-importance topics. Good articles have made up the bulk of his points, but he has also scored a great deal of bonus points. He has the second highest score overall so far, with more than 3000 points accumulated.
 * , another WikiCup veteran who reached the finals in 2012, 2011 and 2010. He writes on a variety of topics including botany, mycology and astronomy, and has claimed the highest or joint highest number of featured articles every round so far this year. He has the third highest score overall, with just under 3000 points accumulated.
 * , 2012 WikiCup champion, who writes mostly on marine biology. She has also contributed to high-importance topics, seeing huge numbers of bonus points for high-importance featured and good articles. Previous rounds have seen her scoring the most bonus points, with scoring spread across did you knows, good articles and featured articles.
 * , a WikiCup veteran who finished in second place in 2012, and competed as early as 2009. He writes articles on biology, especially mycology, and has scored highly for a number of collaborations at featured article candidates.
 * , the winner of the 2010 competition. His contributions mostly concern Naval history, and he has scored a very large number of points for good articles and good article reviews in every round. He is the highest scorer overall this year, with over 3500 points in total.
 * , who is competing in the WikiCup for the second time, though this will be her first time in the final. A regular at FAC, she is mostly interested in British medieval history, and has scored very highly for some top-importance featured articles on the topic.
 * , a finalist in 2012 and 2011. He writes on a broad variety of topics, with many of this year's points coming from good articles about Star Trek. Good articles make up the bulk of his points, and he had the most good articles back in round 2; he was also the highest scorer for DYK in rounds 1 and 2.
 * 1) has previously been involved with the WikiCup, but hasn't participated for a number of years. He scores mostly from restoration work leading to featured picture credits, but has also done some article writing and reviewing.

We say goodbye to eight great participants who did not qualify for the final:, , , , , , ,. Having made it to this stage is still an excellent achievement, and you can leave with your heads held high. We hope to see you all again next year. Signups are now open for the 2014 WikiCup, which will begin on 1 January. All Wikipedians, whatever their interest or level of experience, are warmly invited to participate in next year's competition.

This last month has seen some incredible contributions; for instance, Cwmhiraeth's Starfish and Ealdgyth's Battle of Hastings—two highly important, highly viewed pages—made it to featured article status. It would be all too easy to focus solely on these stunning achievements at the expense of those participants working in lower-scoring areas, when in fact all WikiCup participants are doing excellent work. A mention of everything done is impossible, but here are a few: Last round saw the completion of several good topics (on the 1958, 1959 and 1962 Atlantic hurricane seasons) to which 12george1 had contributed. Calvin999 saw "S&M" (song), on which he has been working for several years, through to featured article status on its tenth try. Figureskatingfan continued towards her goal of a broad featured/good topic on Maya Angelou, with two featured and four good articles. ThaddeusB contributed significantly to over 20 articles which appeared on the main page's "in the news" section. Adam Cuerden continued to restore a large number of historical images, resulting in over a dozen FP credits this round alone. The WikiCup is not just about top-importance featured articles, and the work of all of these users is worthy of commendation.

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Der Busant
So as to not spam Drmies' page any further I thought I'd post my observation here. Your remark about the author needing 3 pages for getting the thing decapitated made me take a look at the text again. And from now on I shall refer anyone who keeps complaining about long and wrinkled sentences by Heinrich von Kleist to this poem. De728631 (talk) 17:35, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
 * LOL at least it doesn't come with an author's statement of having made the work unreadable because nyah nyah readers are all idiots. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:39, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Heh. This MHD excursion makes me now want to listen to my favourite arrangements of "Nû schrîet aber diu nebelkrâ" (Walther von der Vogelweide) and "Loibere risen" (Vitslav III, Prince of Rügen). Clicketh WimAmp... De728631 (talk) 17:52, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

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Re: Mizzi Kaspar
Hi mate. I liked the clean-up of the citation templates - nice work. Wanted to ask you, though, if there was any particular reason you used the   tags rather than the quotation template? I've tended to use the latter to differentiate between sections of text but my preference is purely stylistic. Is yours, or is there a particular reason to use the former rather than the latter. I have no issue either way, just genuinely interested. Stalwart 111  04:49, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Glad you liked it; you did a good job saving it, I just thought I'd polish it up a bit :-) Partly personal taste, partly MOS:Blockquote, which seems to say to use the plain indented quotes. Yngvadottir (talk) 05:32, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, fair enough. I suppose I've never seen that "standard" grey as a "colour" (unlike, for example, the templates that allow you to add blue or pink or green) but yours is probably a more "pure" interpretation of the MOS. I might have to rethink that one! Cheers, Stalwart 111  11:03, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Planned Parenthood, telephone solicitation
I note you removed my edit as a POV and unreferenced.

I do understand the need for citations, I am a trained scientist.

On the other hand I was reporting my own experience, and much of life and organization's behavior never reaches a citable source. It was not a POV, the calls were real.

Labelling such items POV and requiring citation looks like a smokescreen for removing unwelcome information.

Thanks.

Adam (papaloquelites). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Papaloquelites (talk • contribs) 22:16, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

there is more....
the turkish word for calf - the muscle on your leg - is baldyr.

baldyr is a norse god.

amanbir

117.229.147.38 (talk) 09:30, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
 * No, Baldr is :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 14:52, 22 September 2013 (UTC)


 * the edda, whiich i take to be the source of norse mythology is the fictional account of The Asa Monarchy of Danmark-Sweden-Norway. This Asa Monarchy may have been established in the period 600-300 bc. They are from the adriatic/aegean and they brought their soldiers, craftsmen and priests. THOR is from THRACE, present Bulgaria. Harald Harald, a gypsy ?  :)  Amanbir. Esvita (talk) 17:17, 22 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I really should improve Prologue (Prose Edda) to help people laboring under this kind of misapprehension. I'm afraid you're showing great ignorance. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:40, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

my my  :  the war of all wars   :   The Trojan @ Norse .

Well, What Can I Say - Stand Ground, Grease, Left To Move First, By 3. Wait For Charge.

Amanbir Singh Grewal

Germania

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.226.92.146 (talk) 17:58, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Queens Super Express Bypass
Thanks for those articles. Looks like I might need to get a subscription to the NYT because at the moment all I can see is the opening paragraph.Graham1973 (talk)
 * Yes, I was afraid of that. Many college libraries have it on microfilm? Or I believe there is a research help page somewhere here on WP. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:48, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Bramshill
I gather that book didn't have much after all? I think it's near FA quality. Might need a polish still in parts but it is definitely comprehensive, right?♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:55, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Dunno, ask Eric! (I know absolutely nothing about FA; I noticed that one of the GA gripes concerned something I'd fixed that got unfixed, but the GAs that I've seen are all over the map in quality so I guess I dunno about that either :-)) I uploaded the pics, as I told you (I hope there's someone who can rotate and crop them - I can't), and before they had to be returned I made copies of both the relevant pages of Pevsner and the Cope book except for the catalogue of pictures on the walls; and some kind soul has uploaded at least part of the book to Wikisource! So I'll stay well out of the way unless someone asks me to clarify something, but you should definitely ask Eric, Drmies, and probably Giano (I know a bit about architecture but he's the expert) about the next step. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:34, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

I doubt Eric would think it's ready for FAC. The article isn't brilliant after all. I'd say it's probably A class at the moment but needs a bit of polish to reach FA. All I want to know from you is if you are satisfied with how comprehensive it is having been in possession of the book? Judging in google books I'd say it is near about as good as it is going to get. ♦ Dr. Blofeld  18:46, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it is ... but my standards on such matters are not authoritative. There is a lot of discussion in Cope on covered up doorways and other evidence of what the house looked like earlier; I didn't see any issues that we haven't covered, but there may be more to some of them. I also found it hard to relate his version of the different bedrooms to what we have in the article; presumably they've been renamed as well as refurbished since then, but I put in a detail about wall covering from him. I wouldn't be surprised if Eric or Giano asked me to look something up, but I don't know what it would be, which is why I refer you to them. Also because this has been a nice collaboration, in which I've stepped back whenever it gets to evaluation time. So ... in my judgement it covers the topic completely, yes. As far as that goes. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:03, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

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Re: [|this], to not use "the" in the English translation implies that the court is a person. It is mistaken to take Swedish usage as a measure of English usage. 89.168.62.58 (talk) 08:12, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
 * But the name of the court was not translated in this case. As I rather carefully stated. The article avoids the problem neatly, by enclosing it in "the" and "court of appeals", but tehre may not have been room for that in the DYK hook. Yngvadottir (talk) 14:47, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Sorry
Sorry about my idiotic behaviour (I am the bus vandal). I have decided to stay away from wikipedia but I still come back every now and then.188.67.102.181 (talk) 17:32, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again and let me try harder
As you pointed out, I need to make improvement for those articles to avoid getting the deleted. If they end up getting deleted, I understand. I will try finding more info to enhance them. Ak1998 (talk) 21:22, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Runes
there is no doubt that the barbarians did not have an alphabet. please do not try and make tricks.

amanbir grewal.

117.226.113.225 (talk) 21:37, 18 September 2013 (UTC)


 * You would understand the scholarship better if you stopped thinking of certain peoples as "barbarians"; it's simplistic. Yngvadottir (talk) 21:39, 18 September 2013 (UTC)


 * i understand what i see, i do not see scholarship, i see stealing-grasping-greed.  it's animalistic. try this   2+2 = 4   in any culture  :).  switch to math, you will like it, no levantian in math. :) amanbir [Special:Contributions/117.226.28.239|117.226.28.239]] (talk) 05:27, 19 September 2013 (UTC)


 * How is it stealing to recognise that more than one culture can have achievements? In any case, I should have mentioned that I started a section at Talk:Runes about the error you appear to have made. Did you see that? Yngvadottir (talk) 11:41, 19 September 2013 (UTC)


 * the achievement is not in question, your denial is. do not want shallow glory here. i made a correction to my error, go see it. Amanbir 117.236.114.91 (talk) 15:52, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

IPv6
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Range_blocks/IPv6 helps to read up on how IPv6 assignments work. In this case, I blocked 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 addresses. Which is a single residential assignment. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. I'm not an expert by any means, but I know the basics. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 20:39, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for both the rangeblock and the offer. It's a bit beyond me at the moment. :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 20:43, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

 * Sorry, I missed one. Go ahead and semi-protect--this is silly, and these are ongoing crimes against the English language. Drmies (talk) 19:15, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The trouble is another IP person or a new editor may want to contact me :-( I suppose I should, and maybe then they will contact you or someone else to pass a message. Did you see the AN discussion? It's getting overshadowed by the Big Match re: Visual Enema. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:18, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

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i got the information
I copy information from Dillards website on its press release section. If you guys weren't so lazy on to update articles. I wouldn't be doing this myself some articles I really I was deleted Saulalvarez (talk) 16:23, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * [this copied from a now-deleted test page, Talk:Yngvadottir. Drmies (talk) 16:59, 26 September 2013 (UTC)]

the URL
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Gladsaxehus
Hi, you might be interested in translating from Swedish. External sources are in Swedish too,♦ Dr. Blofeld  10:40, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, done - the first ext. link does indeed have a lot of potential info, and Gladsax itself should be written. But it should probably be moved to Gladsax Castle or Gladsax Manor. Yngvadottir (talk) 15:36, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Will try to get it sourced and the other started over the weekend. Burchard Precht is a link I cleared from the Uppsala Cathedral article, can you translate?♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:24, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
 * No promises, this is the middle of my work week and you wouldn't believe the chaos of my home life :-) But I've been meaning to circle back to the ruined castle and use that external link, and will try to help with that as well as Precht. --Yngvadottir (talk) 12:09, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll leave Gladsax Castle in your team's hands now; note the name issue raised on the talkpage, I have not looked for English-language sources but I'd rather not have to use that arcane referencing system, so after milking the village page this is a good moment to bow out :-) I'll be correcting the year of poor Ide's will (I do regret calling her a man!) on sv.wikipedia; I thought it was too much of a coincidence that both the archbishop's ruling and the will were dated 1322. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:18, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * You guys did some good work there, so I thought I'D nominate it for DYK. De728631 (talk) 18:37, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

I've improved the sourcing and added to the lead on Precht. Thanks for that. You might translate Malören, if you're busy, don't worry.♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:14, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

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 * My eyebrows rise at the thought of a rapid cancellation making a show more notable, but the issue is really how much independent coverage exists (unless someone finds evidence that it was important in the history of national TV there, the first instance of something or other). So let the people who turn up to discuss the issue - and the research some of them will presumably do - decide the matter. Yngvadottir (talk) 12:54, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks for the welcome! also, I recently made a page about the list of users on wikipedia, and it got deleted. While I know some people didnt see the logic in it, You guys KNOW something like that would be useful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koy Hoffman (talk • contribs) 21:03, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * The problem with that page was that it went against our mission: we are not a social network. (Although you will make friends and have good times chewing the fat on user talk pages, that's like water-cooler talk at a workplace, it's an extra.) And we have user names so that those who don't want to disclose their real identities can preserve their privacy; if you look at some user pages, you'll see there's a lot of variation in how much personal information editors reveal, whether in text or in userboxes. As you must know, this is a venerable and important internet tradition. So asking people to add themselves to a directory is kind of pushy. Besides, the database already does contain a list of all the millions of names; you may have passed through the relevant page if your first choice of name to register was already taken (as happens quite often). Here it is. But finally, as I pointed out on your user page, such a list is not an appropriate article topic because there are no independent reliable sources that have discussed the list of user names on Wikipedia. Yngvadottir (talk) 21:14, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Sorry..
I wanted to make a page to contact the fellow wikipedians but not for SOCIAL interaction. for telling them about edits and stuff like THAT. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koy Hoffman (talk • contribs) 21:19, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * That's ok, do some reading in that welcome template I gave you, and consider joining some WP:WikiProjects; those are where people gather to discuss particular kinds of topics and the articles about them. Other than that, the Teahouse folks can probably give you some pointers about other forums for the kind of discussion you have in mind; unless you mean problems, which are handled on the article talk page or if involving more than one article, at noticeboards or help desks. We also have the WP:Village Pump, which was set up in the early days of the project as a general discussion space, but the project has long since outgrown it and various subordinate boards have been created for technical issues, proposals, and so on. A lot of these spaces are linked from the community portal, which is one of the links in the sidebar on any en.Wikipedia page. Without knowing exactly what you are thinking of, I can't make more specific suggestions - but I suspect you need to do some of the reading first, because it is a big and complex project and few new editors have prior experience with encyclopedia writing. Yngvadottir (talk) 21:30, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

WikiCup 2013 September newsletter
In 30 days, we will know the identity of our 2013 WikiCup champion. currently leads; if that lead is held, she will become the first person to have won the WikiCup twice. , —who has never participated in the competition before—and follow. The majority of points in this round have come from a mix of good articles and bonus points. This final round is seeing contributions to a number of highly important topics; recent submissions include Phoenix (constellation) (FA by Casliber), Ernest Lawrence (GA by Hawkeye7), Pinniped, and red fox (both GAs by Sasata).

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Otto von Bismarck
How do you propose to mention treatment of nationalities by Bismarck in the lead? --MyMoloboaccount (talk) 21:30, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think it is important enough for the lede. You should start a talk page section if you disagree, but if it is to be mentioned, it must be without POV adjectives. Yngvadottir (talk) 21:38, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

I believe Bismarck's treatment of second largest group in German Empire is important for the led. How do you propose to describe his ethnic cleansing and discrimination policies in neutral terms? I suggest:Bismarck led a campaign of ethnic discrimination, cleansing and eradication of culture against non-Germans in his state. What do you think? --MyMoloboaccount (talk) 21:56, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I think this belongs on the article talk page, but personally I still find that terminology POV, quite apart from the issue of whether it rises to the level of significance to be mentioned in the lead. Yngvadottir (talk) 22:46, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Why do you find the terminology POV? It is used by mainstream historians.

--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 23:25, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
 * That would require citations. But in any event, your addition to the lede has now been reverted twice by different editors. Take it to the talk page, please. Yngvadottir (talk) 04:19, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Awww, thank you! I just asked an archeologist to check it in case I mucked anything up ... Yngvadottir (talk) 16:41, 4 October 2013 (UTC)


 * No problem. It's not the easiest topic to dive into! It seems most of the information is pretty scattered.


 * By the way, come December I intend to get the Odin article up and running. I would love to rewrite the Frigg article at the same time. Your assistance is always welcome.


 * I may also rewrite the witchcraft article as soon as time permits as well, if you're interested. &#58;bloodofox: (talk) 16:47, 4 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I keep meaning to go back to that Odin rewrite ... I think Frigg would be easier, but too much for me, since I am obviously overextended, and witchcraft way, way too much :-) I bowed out of mucking about with hamr as invited to by Drmies on grounds of conflict of interest, and that aspect is also very much on my mind. But mainly, every time I turn around I see another article we are lacking, and meanwhile I really must rewrite Dís even if I have to break into a decent academic library to get that Motz article. Gah! ... OK. I will see what I can do re: Odin. Yngvadottir (talk) 16:53, 4 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I know how it goes, no worries. :) By the way, there's a reconstructed sacrificial bog that features a few reconstructed wooden figures at Land of Legends (Sagnlandet Lejre) near Roskilde in Denmark. &#58;bloodofox: (talk) 16:57, 4 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Oooh, really?! Yngvadottir (talk) 16:59, 4 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Yep! Last I was there it was quite a sensory experience: a plaque about Nerthus, a few rotting, fly-attracting horse heads on beams, and a bunch of crying children. Surreal. &#58;bloodofox: (talk) 04:26, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia citation tool for Google Books
http://reftag.appspot.com/ :-) Best, Sam Sailor Sing 20:16, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks :-) Old grad school habits die hard, I just type it all in '-) Yngvadottir (talk) 20:18, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

hey
hey.

Koy Hoffman (talk) 20:20, 7 October 2013 (UTC) 

Awwwwwwwww. Thanks :-) I'm going to reply on your talk page. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:27, 7 October 2013 (UTC) Yea. It's what I do. You desrve it since You were the only one nice to me so far. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koy Hoffman (talk • contribs) 20:32, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

My Newsletter
Hey, I've made a little section on my user page devoted to something called: Wikipedia: In the eyes of a Wikipedian. It's a newsletter with me describing hat it's like to be here. The first one is done, So you should read it!--Koy Hoffman (talk) 20:44, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
 * That's not a bad idea, but don't go overboard with it. Remember, we're not a blog. Have you found any refs yet for that Wii hack thing? (And by the way I have to go to bed. Complicated schedule. I'll be back in a few hours, when I have something I have to do off-wiki but will double-task here.) Yngvadottir (talk) 21:04, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

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Infoboxes
Indeed Norse deties are complex, but are Greek and Roman deties not? I don't see why the ancient Mediterranean religions can have infoboxes for their deties if the same thing is rejected for Norse deties. Infoboxes can give you a quick understanding of a character (or in this case, a god) without forcing you to read a massive amount of text. I think that the introduction of infoboxes like I tried to do would make the articles easier to understand? Ninja of Tao (talk) 16:10, 8 October 2013 (UTC+1)
 * The introduction is not "massive amounts of text" and this is not the Simple English Wikipedia. Wikilinks, and explanations later in the article, serve to assist the reader. I have no opinion on articles about Greco-Roman deities; they are written and maintained primarily by those with expertise in the area, and there are active wikiprojects there, which presumably decided to use infoboxes. There is a very recent ArbCom case on infobox addition, which affirmed the principle that the projects and those maintaining particular articles should decide whether to implement infoboxes. In the case of Thor, the article was judged a Good Article without an infobox, and the addition of one was previously reverted on Thor and other articles, probably including Odin (I'm not sure, I don't have that one watchlisted). My personal stance on infoboxes is that they are useful for scientific-technical topics - species, which is where they were first developed, and ships, where the technical specifications and the career under different names and flags are usefully tabulated in a standard format, are two examples - and traditional in certain other kinds of articles, such as films, but forcing a second, briefer summary of arts topics often leads to invidious decisions and has no commensurate benefit to the reader (as opposed to to companies trawling us for machine-readable data). You are welcome to open a talk page discussion of the issue at Talk:Thor and Talk:Odin, but there's where I am coming from. Yngvadottir (talk) 14:38, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * (watching) You summary on the arb case is a bit too simple: it resulted in that you as an author get protection from the arbs if you don't want an infobox, but not if you want one. (See my talk.) I can't add an infobox to an article where I am the main contributor, does it make sense? Andy can't even add an infobox to his own articles, how is that? My personal stance on infoboxes is that a minimum box telling a reader what an article is about helps a random reader of any article. (Example Odin: simply say "North mythological figure" on top of the pic which suggests that it is an article about a painting otherwise.) This is not the same as mandating it. My latest GA about a work of art comes with an infobox, another one was even approved as GA by a sceptic, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:53, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I personally strongly oppose the use of infoboxes for articles such as those about deities. They're frequently overly simplifying and misleading. Anything the infobox can provide will be provided in the opening paragraphs of the article itself. Mineral classifications, yes; abstract figures over long periods of time, no. &#58;bloodofox: (talk) 15:02, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Gerda, your liking for infoboxes is well known although inexplicable to me. If you look through the articles I have created and listed on my user page, you will see that some - including the first, which was a bio - have infoboxes. I submit that a work of art is in no way comparable to a deity, least of all to a deity in a religion where the number of recorded sobriquets/alternate names/heiti serves as a rough indication of importance, i.e., where complexity was valued. Infoboxes are by their nature reductive; reducing Thor or Odin to any set of "god of" formulations is already highly misleading (and anachronistic; this is a tendency born out of modern comparative and functional analyses), and as such the further reduction desirable for an infobox is retrograde. (Perhaps this also makes it clearer why I hope Richard Wagner never gets crammed into an infobox, but that's up to those who maintain his article). But you and I also disagree on the fundamentals of the benefits of infoboxes, so it's not surprising that we come at this from different angles. I thought you deserved a specific response here; if I could find an appropriate infobox userbox I would add it to my user page, but I believe that to be another case of reduction to the available space being not useful :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 15:36, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your thoughtful response. Perhaps our stance is not quite as different as you think. Did you read how I came from opposing infoboxes to liking? Did you see my talk, Identitybox? Did you see that about Odin, I would not even say "God of ..." but only something like "North mythological figure"? I compare an infobox to a book cover, - the book is not "crammed" into it but the "cover" shows something essential about it. The random reader of an article who perhaps arrived there by some search should get info about the topic of the article + key facts like time and location, as a theatre program tells you where and when an action takes place. The excitement against such a thing is inexplicable to me, but I respect it. Wagner is past, but we will celebrate Verdi's birthday soon. - I don't use userboxes, the one exception is on my talk, for (a) reason ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * This book cover analogy sums it up very nicely because I think that even complex articles can have their key facts listed in a table without being crammed or reduced to a machine-readable format. Not to mention the editorial inconsequence of having some articles with such a box while other probably featured articles don't make use of this tool at all. So, like Gerda I can't really understand the profound aversion against infoboxes that some users displayed in the arbcom case and elsewhere. But then I do use userboxes like this one. De728631 (talk) 17:00, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I wasn't going to say anything but ... I think it's a bad analogy. The person is already looking at the article, whereas the cover encloses the book. The text of the article starts with a lede, which serves to introduce the topic and set it in context. The best argument for infoboxes, in my opinion, is as a collection and standardised tabulation of technical specifications and other details - dates, engine data, lists of people involved, the stack of classifications for a species, the genres for a band or a song, the reissues for a recording. Stuff that doesn't fit well in prose and is clearer at a glance. Some readers read them first (especially I suspect those educated in the US system, where textbooks often have box summaries at the start of segments), some refer back to them to set a particular segment of the article in context. But book covers do none of these things (except where the illustration and/or the publisher identifies the genre; I used to look on the library shelves for the yellow covers of Gollancz books because they indicated good science fiction) and the article intro or lede paragraph in most cases will make what the reader needs to know at the outset much clearer. So no, I do fundamentally disagree. In my view the case for infoboxes from the reader's point of view depends to a huge extent on the category of article. And I don't see any benefit to standardisation: it makes us look more like a textbook and it leads to misapplication of things that suit one kind of article but not another. (We already see this with the generalisation of sectioning as an ideal; in a short article that just breaks things up, making the article look too short, and obscures connections; and with citation templates, which emphasize what in some types of articles may not be the main piece of information and make it hard to fit in relevant information - such as what pages an article is found on as well as what page the particular piece of information is found on; exact status of revised versions/translations; updated versions and new headlines of news stories; and type of publication - exhibition catalogue, catalogue raisonnée, pamphlet). Article length is supposed to be commensurate with notability, with allowance for additional explanation being required for some topics (several Norse-topic articles are tagged as being written at too expert a level); I see infoboxes as a similar issue. And even publishers these days do not standardise their covers as they once did! Yngvadottir (talk) 17:19, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Different edit war, I don't want to revert again, perhaps admin help is needed? - I will reply to the above later, possibly tomorrow, guess what, I want to write articles ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:53, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Yup, me too - and not collections of data for Google et al., which may be the elephant in the room. I had a look at the reverting on that user talk and others seem to be involved, don't worry :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 18:00, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * My data are for everybody who cares, which includes "Google et all". Search for Rigoletto on Google, an infobox will tell you as the first character Sparafucile. I wish we had a infobox they could use, to improve. - Back to the "book cover" image: yes, a reader is already in the book. I would still like to show him at a glance what that book is about. Look at L'Arianna. A female name, could be a dancer, a poem, you name it. The text then helps you to a translation of that name, a catalogue number with an abbreviation that you can look up, a composition time (Ah! it's a composition), then "opera", then a country and finally the composer. The identitybox gives him "opera" and the composer right away. Perhaps join the linked discussion on my talk, where I feel unrestricted. (Did you know: I may offer only two comments to an infobox discussion on a given article? The fathomless wisdom of our arbs ...) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:35, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * All of that information, even the number, is in the well written first sentence of the lede: "L'Arianna (English: Ariadne) (SV 291), composed in 1607–08, was the second opera by the Italian composer Claudio Monteverdi." That's where I expect a reader to look - and a trolling bot too! (By the way, it has L' at the start to distinguish it from "a female name", right? I wouldn't expect all readers to notice that, but opera fans, yes.) As I say, my impression is that infoboxes are justifiable for lists of stuff like taxa, engine specs, name changes and dates - footballers' career stats too - but otherwise they just interpose a "Look at me instead of the article!" The picture is essentially neutral, except that infoboxes often require a smaller pic or put stuff ahead of the pic, like two versions of the name. I don't like this apparatus in books except for technical subjects, it doesn't look encyclopedic to me, it looks like a textbook for 10-year-olds, and as a reader I automatically start reading at the first line of text. So we really do have entirely different expectations, as I have been saying. I do think the data mining thing is the elephant in the room, because I for one can see absolutely no justification for making it easier for companies to scrape our work and digest it so they can monetise it. They have algorithms to derive data, let them do that; pre-digesting our writing into pap they will find easier is an insult to everyone who has worked hard to write accessible, informative, and nuanced articles. This is a project to write an encyclopedia. Its being on the internet is the publication vehicle, it does not mean we have to kowtow to internet companies. So I am afraid I find neither argument justifiable and the pushing of infoboxes on articles that are not of those types where they are de rigueur - ships, football players, species, etc. - yes inexplicable and yes based on assumptions I do not share. I use them on a case-by-case basis and am very much saddened by the push to have them on all articles. As such, no I won't clutter up your talk page with my point of view on the issue; there it is. Yngvadottir (talk) 15:01, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

AfD
Hi. I saw your message about the list being nominated for deletion. Now, I'm probably not going to cast my opinion on whether it should be deleted or not, however, I am not really experienced with the deletion process on Wikipedia. The reason I bring this up is because a few days ago I came across Synthesizers.com. It really doesn't look like it deserves a page of its own but I don't know how to start an AfD. Could you look at it and give me your thoughts on it? GamerPro64 18:36, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, that does look like a page created by someone affiliated with the company that does not demonstrate notability. But I'd have to search for sources to see whether there are any; sometimes people simply don't realize they are needed. I will poke around and maybe tag the article. Let me encourage you to participate at the deletion discussion; the issue really is whether there are sources independent of Channel Awesome itself. The info about the deletion process - including how to nominate an article, what to consider first, and guidelines for posting in AfDs - is here, and I notified you because you had contributed substantially to the article, so you have every right to express an opinion and it would in fact be good for as many people as possible who know the topic and the field to do so. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:44, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

A cupcake for you!
In case you don't like cupcakes.......

A cheeseburger for you!

 * Wow, dinner and dessert! Om nom nom nom. You're welcome :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 04:20, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Wikidata
I know a very little about wikidata and to say the truth I have enough creating articles and maintenance of +1500 articles: I did notice of some tools which created sections or add interwikis on wikidata, this is the main reason that I add at least one interwiki in each article and leaving the work to the bots. Having a 18 months baby limited my time around! p/s. Yngvadóttir = Yngvi's daughter, nice. Are you related to ásatrú or Norse/Viking articles? I am speaker/lagman of my community and proud to create the biggest documentary resources about Norse society, vikings, kings, warriors, battles, sagas, heathenry, Prussian/Baltic heathen history in Spanish wikipedia. I'm actually trying to complete the articles concerning Þáttr, too many red links in the beginning but very few left right now! ;) Take care. --Gilwellian (talk) 09:12, 9 October 2013 (UTC)


 * No word on identities, but bravo for what you're doing :-) I understand lack of time, but Wikidata is just as quick as ading an interwiki the old way - once you have registered your username there (for some reason it's not automatic as it is with other Wikipedias). Also, please include in your edit summary that you translated the article from en.wikipedia when you create a new one on es. by doing that - attribution requirement. Thanks again! Yngvadottir (talk) 15:54, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Karl Schlabow
Thank you for translating the article ;-) --Bullenwächter (talk) 18:41, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, that was yours! You're very welcome :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 19:13, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

A brownie for you!

 * Thank you! I was just feeling peckish after work :-D Yngvadottir (talk) 14:59, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

A portal gun for you!
LOL what's a portal gun? Yngvadottir (talk) 15:06, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes.
Do you like getting sent these things? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koy Hoffman (talk • contribs) 15:03, 10 October 2013 (UTC)


 * in moderation :-D Have you found something you can write about that you have sources for? Yngvadottir (talk) 15:06, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Nah.
Not really but i'm working on it and btw a portal gun is a gun that shoots portals. It's from a video game :D. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koy Hoffman (talk • contribs) 15:10, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

#3
My third newsletter is out if u wanna check it out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koy Hoffman (talk • contribs) 15:12, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Wikicat
This guys name is Wikicat. Don't eat him.

Koy Hoffman (talk) 15:17, 10 October 2013 (UTC) 


 * Aww, poor little mite. I'm not that hungry, but I should probably keep that giant centipede away from him :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 15:21, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

AAAAHHHH!!!!!
OMG A GIANT CENTIPED!!!! I wish i got a wikilove message on my talkpage..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koy Hoffman (talk • contribs) 15:22, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks fer the puppy! I'll name him........ Cake......... Yes! Cake! You be sure to take good care of Wikicat, K? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koy Hoffman (talk • contribs) 16:15, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

You're Epic!

 * Aw thanks :-) [blushes horribly] Yngvadottir (talk) 16:24, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Great Job!
Are this nice to everyone, BVecause you've helped me here so far, And I think I finally have an article to write about btw! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koy Hoffman (talk • contribs) 16:56, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

NSA
I noticed you have edited the article on the nsa restoring it to its original definition, however the organisation violates US law, and by definition is a criminal organisation and this cannot be shown to be a personal opinion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA. Yours truly and to avoid the fire caused by ignorance (arctictothpastArctictothpast (talk) 10:20, 14 October 2013 (UTC))
 * (I moved this from the top to where new threads go and gave it a heading.) Hi Arctictothpast: I'm going to put a welcome template on your user talk page, because you need to do some reading about Wikipedia. This is a general-readership encyclopedia. As such, it contains neutrally worded information from reliable sources and does not reflect any political point of view; at the most it reports on the points of view held by individuals and groups. It isn't the business of such an encyclopedia to interpret the law of any country on any topic. You are welcome to submit sources on Talk:National Security Agency in support of an argument that the organization has been stated by reliable authorities to be in violation of US law, and that Wikipedia should therefore say this. But first, read up on the five pillars, especially verifiability and reliable sources. We aim to report what others have written, in a factual, neutral way; we can't do original research (WP:OR) even if it seems obvious, and we can't use Wikipedia itself as a reference. All of this follows from the nature of the project; it isn't a place to advocate a political point of view of any kind, no matter how deeply held, or right any kind of wrong. So, as I say, I'll put a welcome template with links on your user talk page to help you to understand. Yngvadottir (talk) 12:07, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

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First class facilities of the RMS Titanic
Hi I was wondering if you'd be interested in translating this from French wikipedia which has an FA on it? Obviously it would be gradual but looks fascinating.If not, no worries!♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:17, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Tempting, and I may look again later, but right now I do have a number of things stacked (mostly unplanned) and it already looks good. Yngvadottir (talk) 12:45, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Request for comment
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Ryan Murphy in Aurora, Ontario
Thanks for adding that reference back. Apparently, I had a brain cramp there.  PK T (alk)  15:22, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Request for feed-back on MV Seaman Guard Ohio incident
Hi, Could you please give feed-back on the tags ("Article for Deletion" and "Notability") opened by TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  pertaining to this article Articles for deletion/MV Seaman Guard Ohio incident? These tags as well as two other tags that this same user has placed in the article (4 in total) are resulting in a very poor layout of the article. So, can you kindly tell me how to go about to remove it (if the claims of the other user TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  are misplaced) ? Kindly help. 81.240.147.136 (talk) 18:33, 20 October 2013 (UTC)


 * The tags have to stay where they are right now, although you could possibly remove the notability one at the top with the argument that it is redundant to the AfD. The "fork" one that is at the top of a section also relates to the AfD - make your argument against it there.


 * I would not have advocated making an article on the incident; it is too soon to know whether it will have a lasting impact. What I would have done - and have argued for at the talk page of the ship article, as you saw if you are who I think you are - is get an article on the company up. A paragraph on the incident would fit well there. But the article would have to not attack the owners.


 * (Again, if you are who I think you are) you registered a username. Since you did that, it's not a good thing to still be editing as an IP. Please go to the username talkpage and go through the process in the block notice there to file for an unblock and rename. Not all the good user names are taken yet :-)


 * After you do that, I would advise you to calmly make your case at the AfD, but as I say, I also think an article (a neutrally written and well sourced article) on the company is your best bet. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:14, 20 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Update to above: I hadn't realized had moved the ship article; I thought you had created the incident article. I have now stated at the AfD what I believe should happen and why. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:57, 20 October 2013 (UTC)


 * @Yngvadottir (talk): Hello and thanks for all the very pertinent advise. I am a newbie and want to proceed with caution on this because of my recent experience with being blocked because I did not know some of the ground-rules on content-related and user-name related matters. That is why I appreciate your experience and opinion on these matters. I still have an IP user name but will rename/recreate another user in the near future. THANKS AGAIN ! 81.240.147.136 (talk) 06:09, 21 October 2013 (UTC)